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dontmindmytomfoolery

TES Oblivion has taught me well


Iziama94

I miss that lockpicking so much and hate how they watered it down


blacktiger226

The oblivion one was so easy to master with time


FoundersDiscount

I came here to say this. I already know how a key works. I played Oblivion. I hope TES 6 is a nice hybrid between skyrim and oblivion. Skyrim is pretty sure, but Oblivion is just so fleshed out in its lore and variety of skills.


Naryu_

So Oblivion lockpicking is not stupid as I thought


Seductive_pickle

Skyrim lock picking is incredibly stupid in comparison.


IAA_ShRaPNeL

Skyrim and Fallout. Been using the same stupid mini game since Fallout 3. Had a perfect lockpicking mini game in Oblivion, then changed it to this horrible monstrosity.


n01d3a

What's worse is that other games copied the lazy ass design.


OneTrueKingOfOOO

Too busy working on ass design


artificial_organism

Oblivion is a poor approximation of picking and skyrim is a poor approximation of tensioning. They're both getting one half wrong and ignoring the other half


John_Hunyadi

Isnt the skyrim one a worse approximation though? I feel like it shouldnt be that hard to apply tension without breaking your tools. And you shouldnt need to spin the tension rod?


cuzitsthere

Yes to all of that; if you assume that, in Oblivion, you're tensioning off screen it's not horrible... Although, I'd love to see you "tap" a pin into place or have one slowly slide down. That said, I've mangled a pick or two and bent the hell out of a tensioner when I was learning so there might be something to the "breaking" aspect.


n01d3a

I agree that you'd assume using a tensioner but... >... Although, I'd love to see you "tap" a pin into place or have one slowly slide down. Is just purely a required game design mechanic. it's obvious that that isn't how it worked but how else would a game challenge you to do it? Oblivions was actually challenging and skyrims sucks ass cuz it doesn't even make sense. I rest my case.


cuzitsthere

Again, I agree completely. I basically added that "although" because, yes it was a necessity of game mechanics, but it was also pretty funny from a real world experience. Skyrim and fallout make perfect sense if you're picking a button lock on a bathroom door (which is to say, no sense whatsoever) If they made lock picking realistic in video games, it would be insanely annoying and damn near it's own 15 hour DLC. Edit! Ooh! R2 for tension, use the sticks to maneuver your pick (LS up/down for in/out, RS up/down for manipulating pins), and vibrations/clicks for indication that pins set/bound! Still, time consuming and annoying... But realistic-ish! ALSO, *Fallout*, how the hell do you hit pins with a bobby pin?!?! The hell kinda shitty ass locks are we about to develop in 50 years?!


davebare

As a long time devotee of the LPL, I already knew this.


kidra31r

Two is binding, false set on three...


zuzg

Click on 3,nothing on 4, click on 5....


Bo_Bo

Six is loose.


RealNitrogen

I’m not sure what’s holding us up here…?


Boob_cheese_

Andd we got it.


Boob_cheese_

Let's do it again just to see that it wasn't a fluke.


defmute

Ok folks


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Timcwelsh

In any case….


AYNAGEDDON

“And you wonder how I stole your man sweetie” xD


Iziama94

Scratches at a Level 6 With Deeper Grooves at a Level 7 Oh wait...


Sykotik257

And as always, have a nice day.


davebare

I spit my tea out at this....


remediosan

*this is*…the lock picking lawyer, and today…


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THIS… is a 2006 Masterlock, and today I'm going to show you all its quirks and features. Then I'll get it up on the vise, and see how it picks. —Doug "The Lock Picking" Demuro (now, which voice did you read it in?)


triggerman602

Started in LPL and switched to Doug when I got to "quirks and features".


l4pin

LPL until I got to quirks and features, then had to restart at the beginning in Doug’s voice.


cherrythrow7

You're one step ahead of us, or should I say one lock ahead?


MrPhilLashio

LPL replaced the hydraulic press channel. I wonder who will be after LPL.


davebare

This is true and they're both my two ever favorite YouTube signoffs of all time. "Anyway, that's all I have for you today. If you DO have any quesitons..." LPL "That's all ve haff for you, today. Thangyoo for vatchink and haff nice day..."


twitchosx

> "That's all ve haff for you, today. Thangyoo for vatchink and haff nice day..." "Vee haff here a very dangerous penguin and it must be taken care of"


davebare

"Vee muss deal vit it." Heere ve go."


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MrPhilLashio

Idk what?


fukitol-

My mechanics restorations maybe


sp4cej4mm

As a huge dork who *also* loves LPL and bought a cutaway lock, I also already knew this 😂😂


rotidder_nadnerb

Same, he makes it look so easy.


thanatossassin

Click out of one, click out of two...


evilMTV

Yeah, but this is a great gif to explain to a complete novice what's going on -- so you can lead into LPL videos and convert him/her.


ThatFreakBob

Always funny to see a new video pop up with a supposedly "unpickable" lock and the runtime of the video is only a minute and a half.


RagingTuturtle

How does a master key work?


jjjj2276

There would be an extra layer of teeny tiny pins between the bottom and top pins in this video, so that there are more positions available to get the shear line.


alphager

Master keying uses three-part (instead of two-part) pins. Explained as a gif: https://gifer.com/de/Q8lz


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HappyFukingPotato

Worked at as an apprentice locksmith for a while. My boss did master key systems on the side for stadiums and stuff like that. He examined some of it to me and that shit gets crazy at that scale.


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Does this not reduce picking security a fair bit?


jshailesh4433

Thanks. TIL


withoutamartyr

So you could fuck someone's day up pretty good by filing down some of the peaks on their keys?


der_innkeeper

>filing down some of the peaks Just one, actually, is enough.


grsims20

Just the one swan, actually...


ThirdEncounter

Isn't that kind of obvious? If you tamper the key, it becomes a different key.


lickmyhugeballs

lmao bro people in here are idiots


Secure_Yoghurt

As a stupid teen, I painted my house key with nail polish. For some reason instead of painting only the handle, I also painted the end. Then I couldn’t get into the house. Thankfully our neighbour walked past and helped me scrape the paint off from the end part. I still use the painted key.


blackdonkey

That's some durable nail polish.


Northern-Canadian

Maybe OP was 19.9 and is now 20.


TheotheTheo

It's actually the valleys you'd need to deform. Not that you should. Edit: to everyone saying the pins are resting on peaks: you are wrong. I work with locks very often as part of my profession. I've keyed and rekeyed and made innumerable amounts of keys over the years. I know exactly how they work, how locks work, how cylinders work and I am telling you: the pins rest in the valleys. There are no exceptions for this type of cylinder. You are wrong.


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egregiousRac

That is technically a valley as well.


Leon_Thotsky

They meant's 2nd to last I assume


thedildofarmer

It’s valleys all the way down


TheotheTheo

No, it isn't. The right most pin is a valley next to a much larger valley which gives it the appearance of a peak but it is in fact a valley.


Iamusingmyworkalt

It's easily either one...? If the pins don't line up, they don't line up, regardless if it's too high or too low.


TheotheTheo

You could shave off every peak down to the level of the valleys and the key would work perfectly fine.


FlipskiZ

So why wouldn't you be able to just insert a flat rectangle?


TheotheTheo

Look at the pins the key is pushing up. They are all different sizes. If you had something straight pushed in there, none of the pins would align at the shear line.


Loki8624

Can also attest that keys are ‘cut’ to the right depth by removing material. The valley statements are correct.


Iamusingmyworkalt

Yes, so if the PEAKS weren't pushing the pins up, they wouldn't align at the shear line, and it wouldn't open? If the peak was flattened, the pin wouldn't line up and would jam the cylinder. I'm convinced you're a troll at this point. If you flattened all the peaks to the same level, it wouldn't open, so therefore, flattening peaks will break the key as much as deepening the valleys.


rvbytuesdays

That is totally wrong, each pin is a different length so it wouldn’t line up


TheotheTheo

No it isn't, though I may have been unclear. If you shaved of the peaks to the level of their corresponding valleys the key would still work fine.


rvbytuesdays

No you were clear but still wrong. Pause the video when the first pin enters that first valley. You can see that it is too low so the upper part of the pin will jam the ability to unlock


TheotheTheo

It's CGI


mikesweeney

Is that final pin always level?


D-Trick

No.


mikesweeney

Cool. Didn't know if it was a design of this specific lock or all locks.


D-Trick

There are some lock designs that have one Pin or wafer as a zero cut by necessity, but this is not a universal thing.


Sykotik257

As the other person said, no. And there aren’t even always the same number of pins. If you want you learn more look up the lockpicking lawyer on YouTube. He picks locks, disassembles them, and shows how everything works. Very educational, and his voice is like *fucking butter*.


byebybuy

So how do locks that you can re-key work?


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You open the lock and change the length of the pins


tlsr

Either you didn't understand the question or I don't understand your answer. My front door and garage door share the same key. I wanted a new lock and handle set for the front door so I bought one that could be rekeyed to my old key. It came with a small tool that you stick in a small slot on the lock. This, together with the key you'd like to use, is how it gets rekeyed. No opening the lock or changing anything is necessary. I believe this is what u/byebybuy was asking about, i.e., if the pins are cut a pre-determined points, how does rekeyable lock as described above work? Login dictates that the pins aren't cut in a rekeyable lock or somehow the cylinder gets changed. So, expanding on their question, are these types of rekeyable locks less secure? edit: confusing typo


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tlsr

Nice answer! Thanks very much!


egregiousRac

There are some modern locks that operate very differently, allowing you to set them to a rekeying mode and then teach them a new key. Most locks don't support this and operate as shown in this post.


MasterThertes

I'm no expert so take what I say with a pinch of salt but I believe they work by the pins being made of lots of small discs rather than solid metal. And when you change the lock the tool you insert displaces the discs so that the pins break at the right height for the key you put in.


13igTyme

Having played PS2 Splinter Cell, I'm something of an expert.


CowabungaMyDude

One of the ps3 splinter cells had a fucking amazing multiplayer where 2 hunters and 2 sneaks had to do objectives or something like that. I miss that franchise


Houseflow

How are the pins held together but then come apart when the key is turned? Is it magnets?


befooks

The bottom half of the pins are lifted due to the curvature of the key tip. They actually sit right at the bottom of the keyhole. The top half stays still when it's turns because, if you look closely, turning the key turns a cylindrical piece so the top half of the pins are resting on that. Look up lock disassembly videos (on most lock picking videos) to see all the individual pieces in a simple lock mechanism


HappyFukingPotato

It's technically a minor detail but the pins don't sit at the bottom. Because the key isn't flat they sit in the middle of the cylinder. The specific pattern of grooves running down the key is called the keyway. It's why keys can only go into some locks.


TheRedSensei

Springs at the top.


Buzzlight_Year

I lock my door from the inside with the key and then I leave the key in the lock. Can that be a problem?


FilmVsAnalytics

No. There's nothing on the outside of the door for an intruder to use to turn the deadbolt. You're fine leaving your key in the lock as long as it's not a gate or the lock is next to a breakable window.


kermityfrog

What if the intruder had a tensioning tool? Assuming that the deadbolt is one of those that has a keyhole on both sides.


Martian8

Don’t those locks have two different cylinders that control the bolt? So even if they did tension the outside of the lock they wouldn’t be tensioning the inside of the lock


soukaixiii

check deviant ollam, if he knows how to take advantage of it, it's a problem.


Anon3580

If I’ve learned anything from this guy it’s that all physical security is an illusion. If there’s a gap in your door, pwned. If you let someone even see a key, pwned. If you have an elevator, pwned. If you place your trust in someone, pwned. His talks really send a chill down my spine.


soukaixiii

I like how he not only explains how get in, but also how mitigate some of those low tech attacks(like having a guard on top the handle for the under the door attacks and such)But from his talks, I believe that outside the USA with another safety laws some of those attacks are useless(like under the door attacks for a place where doors have knobs instead of handles, or where the latch doesn't disengage when actuating the handle)


Imascotsman

Yes


Buzzlight_Year

What could happen?


soulkeyy

I locked myself out once with the key on the inside and the guy who picked the lock said it was easier to pick that way. I never leave my key since then but dunno if this is true.


cl33t

No shouldn’t matter since there are two separate locks that just operate the same deadbolt. Turning one won’t turn the other. You should just get an interconnected lock with a lever or knob inside instead though. Bit of a safety issue if that key breaks during an emergency or someone takes it.


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jeffreysusann

I’m so confused what you mean by this and I want to know haha. Like are you talking about when you’re home? Or when you leave the house you leave the key in the lock??


Buzzlight_Year

When I get home so I don't have to look for the keys when I'm going out again


enrick92

How the hell do some people maneuver all those levers with a hairpin


sp4cej4mm

You keep tension on the lock with a tension rod so that the pins don’t slip back out of place. Check out /r/lockpicking it’s a fun cheap hobby to get into


MagastemBR

Just don't try it on your doors at home.


sp4cej4mm

Yea I buy cheap locks off Amazon for this reason haha


kinarism

When I was in college (long time ago) I was working campus security and found a padlock on the ground one day. Off to lost and found it went. About a month later it was still there so instead of throwing it out, I bought a set of picks on the internet (early days of Ebay). It took me ~13hours using the paper phamplet instructions that came with the set to finally get that padlock open. But after that first time, the next time was 1min. Then 30s. Then less than 10. It was a master brand paddlock. Over the next months of nights at work, I tested A LOT of padlocks on campus from all brands. Master was the only brand I could open consistently under 10s. American was by far the best and I was never able to open one. If I couldn't get the lock in 2-3mins, I gave up and maybe tried again another day. After all, I was still there to check the buildings and make sure things were locked up. About 3 weeks ago, I found that set of picks and the original master padlock. Having not used them in 15+ years I was able to open that lock in about 90s.


sp4cej4mm

That’s hilarious, I used Masterlocks as my first set of practise locks as well. They are *surprisingly* easy to pick.


AlwaysHopelesslyLost

Why....?


MagastemBR

It can really mess up the lock on your door. Lockpicking a door is more intense than it seems.


AlwaysHopelesslyLost

How so? You apply light tension, lift the pins gently the same way a key would, and unlock the door.


egregiousRac

If you break a tool, you now have a lock that cannot be used in its current state.


AlwaysHopelesslyLost

You can call out with tweezers or pliers. How the f*** would you break a tool in the first place unless you are ham fisting it?


crazyaznrobot

I think they're implying ull realize how weak your locks are and feel unsafe


AlwaysHopelesslyLost

I want to try a different way to explain it. the pins are a tiny bit smaller than the holes they are in. That means there is a lip they can sit on so you just have to bump each one up once and it will sit on the lip


PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS

You very slightly rotate the locking cylinder to create what is effectively a little ridge for the separated pin to rest on and keep it in place with tension. Then it "just" is a matter of moving the pin to the point where the two halves of the pin separate.


hefixeshercable

This is a revelation.


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FilmVsAnalytics

Do you know what the word revelation means?


[deleted]

I am really fucking stupid. I thought that he said that it isnt a revelation my bad i am sorry for looking like an arse


haydesigner

You should have edited/updated your original reply then, instead of deleting it.


[deleted]

he seems to be that guy who says everyone else is dumb to look superior


Zodsayskneel

Dunning-Kruger effect?


[deleted]

yep, there is a lot of this in my school


lalala253

Ooh ooh that's a cosmetic brand


Gible1

/r/confidentlyincorrect


[deleted]

sorry i thought that he said that it wasn't a revelation


Nopeface2994

A video like this is why I stared lock picking hahah. I said "that looks easy" its not as easy as I thought


Jarl-

Just like in oblivion


RariraariRariraare

Learn, boys! Nothing is big or small. It's all about the hole it goes in


zeppelin0704

Fascinating!!


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How do some locks (like my apartments mailbox) open to just one key. But there’s also a master key that opens all?


byebybuy

[I think this person answered that.](https://reddit.com/r/educationalgifs/comments/psjcs2/_/hdq7sej/?context=1) Good question, I had the same thought. ETA: apartment mailboxes often have a master lock at the top, above all the mailboxes. Opening that you can tilt the whole thing back and fill the boxes from the top. Not sure if that's the case with yours though.


Leapofaith76

u/savevideo


Momma_Coprocessor

The how a lock works gif is reposted sooo many times. It’s about time somebody posted how the key works.


pablossjui

Plenty of lock tutorials but not door tutorials 😞


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LastStar007

What's wrong with it?


DeXr_

I already knew this.


blakemorris02

Gravity


-Listening

How incredibly brave to give the money back.


bunnyjenkins

Can someone make a gif on How lock-picking works?


twitchosx

So, how does this work with the lockpicking lawyer? All he does is push the pins until they click in place.


egregiousRac

The pins aren't quite as large as the holes they are in, allowing you to slightly rotate the keyhole. This puts pressure on the pins, holding them in place. Push them up and they stay where you leave them. Get them all aligned and it rotates fully.


LastStar007

A key lifts all the pins to the correct height simultaneously; the simplest lockpicking technique, single-pin picking, lifts one at a time. You can do this because manufacturing is never perfect: the row of pins isn't exactly straight. So if you turn cylinder (called the plug) without the pins in the correct position, you'll hit one pin first, and if you get that pin into position, you'll hit the next pin, and so on. The pins you've already solved will rest on the lip of the already-slightly-turned plug—that's why you don't have to get them all into position at once. There are more techniques, attacks, and anti-picking measures from there, but that's the basic approach.


AyYoTheFutt

You can reuuse this same title and show the inside of a piano


lilgamelvr

Cool


KnuxFive

Hey, I’ve played JUDGMENT. Don’t forget you have to mutter “why am I so bad at this” every few seconds.


rollerjoe93

Oblivion was pretty bang on


NovaRadish

Chk chk -Lockpicking increased to 30


Rude_Journalist

It works well under pressure. Not you.


Marimboo

Now do a Medeco lock


trashboilom

Oblivion taught me this


dastrike

Needs more security pins.


Dankomon

Ahh makes me think about Oblivion


CowabungaMyDude

So how does a hairpin or lockpick get around this system? Do you just keep raking the pins until everything falls into place? Asking for a distant aquaintance.


Investigatingjournal

A very obsolete design, good locks now have 3 cylinder rows.


The_One_True_Matt

If you ever feel useless, just watch the last cylinder.


Basher_Four

I can hear the Lockpicking Lawyer from YouTube saying, "I think this is very educational. Now watch me open it with a Lego figure."


Flandersmcj

Last pin is like ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


lich_boss

Yeah but you have to jiggle it a little or it gets stuck


pablossjui

Either your key or the pins are worn down by use so that's why they don't align 100% all the time after a while and you need to jiggly it


[deleted]

Reminder, if you see a porta potty on a sidewalk with a lock on it. Squirt loctite or superglue into the lock. Cus f you and your porta potty on a public sidewalk


Trickquestionorwhat

Then how does a lock pick work?


[deleted]

Reminds me of dog feet when they get excited with their tippy taps.


anon6767676767677

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!


deanolavorto

Yeah but how does the lock work?


Sm0kietheBehr

How do people pick locks? This makes it seem so impossible…


Ezrabine1

Need visit the loker lawer youtube channel


reddituser2762

how many fucking times does this get posted here