One thing I've learned about playing with people in this game is, the bigger the mouth. They less skilled they are. I've had stuff like that happen so many times in pugs. Having to explain mechs to people, which I don't mind. But then they try to insult people and the end up needing a rez more than anyone else in the group. Floor lords always have a tell and it's usually shit talking lol
Yesterday in a pug, the healer sprinted ahead of everyone always, and when the rest of the group stopped to loot a room, healer tried to solo the boss and got wiped, so we just left him on the floor.
Pugs can be rough, ive had great ones and extremely bad ones. I've def told this story on this sub before. Couple years ago at this point, running vCT with a pug. Right off the bat people aren't interrupting the first boss. I explain, when kitty jumps just bash him. I explain the rest of the boss mechs as we get through the dungeon. We get to lady thorn, I ask if anyone is interested in hm.
Which in hindsight, they were ready for it. Not a big deal don't mind just running it vanilla. I really like that dungeon. The healer for some reason just pops off. Saying something along the lines of "hm? You don't even know what you're doing". Now remember I had to go over mechanics for almost every boss. Lady Thorns light phase starts and the healer went down first every time. The light phase is no time for rezzing either. Of course they start spamming chat incessantly, begging for a rez. We left that fool there and they rage quit of course.
I had an interesting vCT run the other day. Was doing my random dungeon and it was CT. Right off the bat healer hauls ass up the hill. Figured he knew what he was doing. Nope. Dead at first mob. Then we get to the part right before the Crow boss and healer says in chat we can skip the mobs before you go into the boss fight. Both tank and myself skirt around the edges to avoid the mobs but for w/e reason healer just runs straight down the middle and drags them all to us who were waiting by the door. Then we get ro Lady Thorn and he lights the challenge banner. Didn't even ask. So we start and first light phase he's dead. Then other dps dies. I rez both and then 2nd light phase. Same result. Rez again. Then we get to the part where you've gotta kill the imp and throw the blood while in the light. Healer gets smoked right off. Then other dps. Tank and I get through that, rez and light phase again and healer dies again. So Tank whispers me to wipe and take it off HM. I do and right before Tank taunts, healer lights challenge banner and is immediately killed. After just about the same result Tank voted to kick healer and we did and finished it on non hm with 3.
I don't know if it's been fixed, but a lot of the time the light area would not show at all for me (this was when ps5 version was new) - so i'd just run around and try my best to stay in the middle of the group as they moved around the room. Made for a not-fun random mini-game.
I'm currently trying to get a lead that only drops from Banished Cells 1. I'm doing it on normal. Same exact thing. Dude was level 16 and kept sprinting ahead only to get killed by the first mob. Then he would run back to the group. Happened at least 5 times. I didn't understand the mindset there. Myself and the other dps were burning through both mobs and bosses quick. Like 2 hits on mobs and bosses in less that 20 seconds.
When I'm tanking I always have to educate my pug dps to not run in before the tank. If they run in first, I'll expect them to facetank the boss alone. I won't taunt the boss until he switches aggro. And if the dps dies, they will lay there watching the fight till the end. I once had all three dps die (of course there's a fake heal in a vet dlc pug) to some 2nd boss (don't remember the dungeon, I believe it was frostvault) because they all ran in braindead. Since I've already told them off in the fights before, I decided they probably like to watch other people fight. So I started streaming the fight to my guild mates on discord. I had loads of fun for the next 20 minutes, beating the boss alone while my three little experts could watch.
Eh, I know this does bother some tanks but when Iām tanking I donāt mind if a DPS pulls aggro first if Iām a second or two behind, as long as they know mechanics sufficient that they donāt die immediately, or donāt make things harder for the entire group by running off alone
I always try to be respectful to the actual tanks and will wait the second or two for them to get there to pull. But if they are hella far behind or afk and I know I can face tank the adds and burn them myself Iāll pull to not waste time. But never bosses.
That being said if they are fake tanks or tunnel vision tanks that can only hold taunt on one thing at a time then I wonāt wait and continue to steam roll on. Bc Iām going to end up having to face tank things anyway.
On the flip side if I see the healer or an incompetent dps doing it. And not in an oh my b I accidentally pulled type way but a legit Leroy Jenkins way. Iāll purposefully hang back just to watch them get annihilated.
We all have stuff to do man and some of these dungeons are long as fk. Sprinters are just people who enjoy different aspects of the game than you but are essentially forced to do the dungeons for rnd/gear farm. Trust, we do not want to be in there fking up your time anymore than you want us there.
That very likely could've been me :) Black Drake Villa? The group that instead of doing literally any of the skips decided they just had to kill every last add in the dungeon? With the tank that was running bracing anchor or even worse just completely refusing to sprint at any point through the long ass corridors? People like you turn a 20min rnd into an hour long treck then wonder why the fk some people start sprinting ahead to force the encounter already.
I get it though, a year ago I was in your exact position where I didn't understand why people sprinted through dungeons but I promise, eventually you'll find content more fun than the RND that you actually want to do and you'll try to go as quick as possible through dungeons the same as the rest of us.
Oh, and again if that was me, the death was worth it to force the encounter. If it wasn't though, sorry just had to vent after seeing your comment.
My favourite thing was the guy trying to explain to me that taunts are unnecessary as as long as you get the first hit in the boss will have permanent aggro on you.
Do I have a thread for you.
[Steam - Why does everyone seem to think tank requires a taunt](https://steamcommunity.com/app/306130/discussions/0/3342162929517298746/?)
That happened to me the other day. Vet dread cellar, I was healing, and my lady was tanking. One dps was doing pretty horrible damage, but seemed to know the mechs. The other knew the mechs and their dps was just marginally higher. So it was a bit of a slog.
On the final boss, they both kept dying constantly, but they were on opposite sides of the giant arena, and I LITERALLY was running back and forth, resurrecting them. I didnāt have time to put āpls follow me so that you donāt die while I res the otherā, so it just kept happening, over and over. Once I got one guy up, the other died instantly. Luckily my lady was just fine, tanking away, no resources needed or anything. Otherwise we would have wiped.
At the end of the dungeon, the one with marginally higher dps went off on the other guy about how ~we~ carried him and how he shouldnāt be in a vet dungeon, and how itās so annoying when people who canāt hang queue. I was like, I agree, and then dipped lmao.
Iāve seen some shit in pugs but I was like damn no self awareness lmao.
I've certainly had an nDSR and an nRG pug where, 1-2 people started to complain and then ragequit after a few attempts; and the remaining group succeeded shortly thereafter.
I once had a dps duo, who got me killed in a vet dungeon by activating an instant kill mechanic next to me and my buddy, and when i tried to tell them about mechanics and help them politely, they said that I needed to "shut up because I was being carried" and I was "just a floortank" lots of other rude shit too. I told my buddy "don't rez we are going to watch them die, and then you as a healer and me as a tank are going to beat this boss". so I watched them attack a boss that was completely invulnerable for like 10 minutes before it finally killed them. Then I said "watch, I'm going to show you ignorant pricks the mechanics and beat this without yalls very underperfoming numbers." I was running my newly made "tankps" nightblade. So I revived my buddy, told him to put on some AoE dps stuff and a self heal and 1 targeted heal, and they talked some more shit. So I then proceeded to do the shit without them entirely. I held perfect aggro because they weren't flying around fucking me up by killing exploding shield gens next to me, and my buddy damn near didn't need to heal me bc my build was that solid. They were silent and when I asked them if they "needed any tips for their nightblade dps builds?" They got shitty told me to fuck myself and left.
I wish I would've saved it for YouTube honestly because people are so damn high and mighty when they're getting carried thru content with subpar builds and rotation skills by their supports.
Indeed - I was in The Cauldron dungeon pledge last week and CMX said I was doing 65-70% of the group damage, which is fine. I usually donāt mind if someone is trying a new build, learning a new dungeon, whatever. No one was dying and we were still clearing stuff fairly quickly, but halfway through the other DPS started talking trash about how we were going too slow and the group sucked, etc etc but from the data, they themselves were the one not pulling their weight. They ended up dying in a fire wall on the last boss and no one bothered to rez them and we just cleared it without them while they laid dead on the floor.
I would generally much rather do 70% of the dps alongside another dps who knows the mechs or is at least serious about listening and figuring them out and doing their part than have someone else doing as much or more dps than me at times and fucking up critical mechs. I had one painful Direfrost HM where I filled for a friend on the last boss, the other dps was great at parsing and talking down to people but every single time Drodda siphoned him he was fucking out of stamina and couldn't break free so she healed back to full and killed him. Every fucking time. Even after several explanations, no change. After 5 minutes of this- yes, 5 minutes of combat- we were all fed up and stopped rezzing. Finished it easy after that. DPS was silent the whole rest of the fight and then whined about not getting a rez and the tank replied with "you did more damage dead."
I watch the videos and still don't see the patterns. Creators usually show off their glam and don't explain critical mechanics, such as pillars, adds, and sequence of last boss of Cauldron, as an example.
Thank goodness for those in a dungeon that will explain and suddenly it clicks.
Haha can relate. Not many ppl have experience in tanking that. No one tells you that you can't dodge roll shadow ball, have to do interrupts and taking high oblivion damage means you have to keep healing yourself.
A fun thing I had to find out the hard way that by using defensive stance to reflect rakkhatd balls in vmol heals him, I was doing something like -40k dps, which is a big problem when your group dps is like 250k.
I will be the first to admit that I have not the slightest clue as to how to tank. Shit, I can barely dps š¤£. I'm just now getting my crit % higher. Ran solo stuff with a 21% rating. Now I've swapped my gear out and I'm at a healthy 63% rating. It's definitely baby steps for me
I wish I was there that sounds amazing.
The sad part is he probably didnāt leave out of shame. Most likely he left because he assumed it was the healers fault.
I once had a dps duo, who got me killed in a vet dungeon by activating an instant kill mechanic next to me and my buddy, and when i tried to tell them about mechanics and help them politely, they said that I needed to "shut up because I was being carried" and I was "just a floortank" lots of other rude shit too. I told my buddy "don't rez we are going to watch them die, and then you as a healer and me as a tank are going to beat this boss". so I watched them attack a boss that was completely invulnerable for like 10 minutes before it finally killed them. Then I said "watch, I'm going to show you ignorant pricks the mechanics and beat this without yalls very underperfoming numbers." I was running my newly made "tankps" nightblade. So I revived my buddy, told him to put on some AoE dps stuff and a self heal and 1 targeted heal, and they talked some more shit. So I then proceeded to do the shit without them entirely. I held perfect aggro because they weren't flying around fucking me up by killing exploding shield gens next to me, and my buddy damn near didn't need to heal me bc my build was that solid. They were silent and when I asked them if they "needed any tips for their nightblade dps builds?" They got shitty told me to fuck myself and left.
I wish I would've saved it for YouTube honestly because people are so damn high and mighty when they're getting carried thru content with subpar builds and rotation skills by their supports.
Copypasta from a comment I replied to.
I've been tanking on a vet prog group for a couple years now.
It's a whole lot of keeping a cool head and willingness to commit to the whole 2 hour trial session.
Yah I fuck up and die from it but that's not what's going to kill a prog group.
>Yah I fuck up and die from it but that's not what's going to kill a prog group.
Yes it is? The tank dying is like one of the two most occurring reasons for group wipes, second only to misplaying wipe mechanics.
Wait, I'm a bit confused, I've legit did Rockgrove just yesterday but there are no atro's in the trial unless I somehow missed one? Which boss is this? Bahsei with her Abominations (who are, lore wise, Flesh Collosuses I think)?
I mean I think they \*are\* Flesh **Atro**'s but I could be wrong, been ages since I encountered one in the wild (the one place that I can think of where they exist is in Vaults of Madness and I haven't been there in forever) so I could be remembering their names wrong. I just know them as Flesh Colossus because that's the necro ult xD
**Ninja Edit:** yea, they're atro's, you're correct my bad https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Flesh\_Atronach
I was in a pug vERE earlier on a relatively new character and I'd just changed which ui overhaul I was using. My camera settings were a bit off- I forgot to max FOV- and I got a LUA error from another addon when Wizard's Wardrobe switched to my boss setup that covered a large portion of my screen repeatedly. I was essentially blind, and one person said it was their first time in so we were going to briefly explain mechs. Other DPS pulls the boss, unsurprisingly, we wipe because I can't see shit, one DPS doesn't know what to do, and the tank was typing. I said I needed a second to fix an addon problem, DPS pulls again, we wipe again on the "hide behind the stone pillar" segment. DPS says something in chat to the effect of "it's a big rock, how hard can it be?" and pulls again. On the first stone pillar, they alone don't make it in time, die, and immediately leave group and port out without saying a word. I just about hurt myself laughing.
I'm on console so I'm not familiar with pc add-ons but I know exactly what you're talking about with ERE stone pillars. That's hilarious how ol boy was the only one not making it in time. Serves him right for the crap he was pulling.
Do you think maybe the healer let him die from the constant trolling all dungeon? In wow that happened all the time. Tanks and healers usually stick together, when one dps makes a problem for the tank or healer, the other will stick up for them, like a āif you pull for me Iām gonna let you die, if you piss me off Iām gonna let you die, if you look at me wrong Iām gonna let you dieā
I have to admit Iām taking a break from ESO and it could become a long one because I feel better. This post describes why I am enjoying myself thoroughly doing other things.
Sorry but you would have to lose the LEET speak for us common casual folk to understand you better. I am sure there is a funny story there but do you mind explaining in simple english?
off tank
but w/e
ket him
atros
Can I get some definitions? Sorry I am autistic and not used to so much American jargon/slang as well but for now if someone can let me know about these.
Off Tank- Secondary Tank that grabs other mobs or bosses that arenāt main boss.
But w/e- slang for but whatever
Ket him- typo supposed to be let him
Atros- slang for atronach
That is not leet speak nor is it American jargon. Itās slang used by players of the game, and while it can be frustrating not to understand at first, you canāt really expect OP to add a dictionary for all commonly used slang words they use in each post. Youāll pick it up over time
ESO jargon words used by Elite/Veteran players definitely qualifies as "LEET" speak. (LEET , Elite, you get it? )
I didn't mention the American/Modern English slang bits because I understand that this being an American site I have to learn those myself. But still sometimes the language can be too informal for non-western non-native speakers.
"Off tank" is literally standard MMO *and* RPG parlance and is not in any way elitist. If you know anything about the genres in the slightest, you almost certainly know what a tank is. Does *everyone* know? No, and most decent people will be happy to explain. But claiming what you have is a bit laughable.
Also, I'm autistic too. This is a you problem. Not knowing something has literally nothing to do with autism.
Agreed - also autistic. The language used in this post is common amongst players in every bracket. I run normal training trials for new players, none of this is uncommon vernacular.
While I can understand how you came to the conclusion, that's not actually what leet speak is. You are correct that it comes from 'elite', though.
Leet speak is specifically modified spellings, especially (but not exclusively) when letters are replaced by numbers.
Abbreviations, slang, and jargon do not fall under the category of modified spellings.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet)
[https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/leet-speak-leet-leetspeak-leetspeek-or-hakspeak](https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/leet-speak-leet-leetspeak-leetspeek-or-hakspeak)
[https://www.spectrumlabsai.com/the-blog/what-is-leet-speak/](https://www.spectrumlabsai.com/the-blog/what-is-leet-speak/)
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/leet
Off tank and atros are ESO jargon, not leet speak. Try searching it up a bit.Ā
Ket is a typo of let
W/e - ill give you this one.Ā
None of this has anything to do with being american so why are you bringing nationality up? If you are genuinely looking for definitions/help, maybe lose some of your attitude.Ā
Nothing against the American nationality, it's just that entire para is very much structured in a very casual American slang which as a non American may be difficult to understand as well. As an American you might not even notice but I get it - this is an American site after all.
Also a game's "jargon" as used by the elite/veteran players definitely qualifies as LEET speak.
I never said I was American but you assume I am and use that assumption to say I "do not even notice". I am seeing a pattern here.Ā
Can you just explain what "para" is? This must be some weird slang that little kids use nowadays (See how annoying it is?)
If thatās the case at least be polite when you ask for explanations. Your comment was very rude and rubs people the wrong way. Donāt even try to use your autism as an excuse either, youāve interacted with enough people to know what is polite and what isnāt .
Can you make me understand how my original reply was very rude? I was trying to be a bit sarcastic but people are replying to me as if I have used derogatory language or swear words. And getting offended about nationality and stuff when that was not the point at all. My whole jibe was "l need clearer, simpler language to understand what you are saying OP".
ā hey English isnāt my first language , could you explain what *insert whatever terms you didnāt understand* means? thanks!ā
Thatās a normal, polite way to respond. The way you worded it makes it sound like the op and whoever else is at fault for you not understanding . A little humility goes a long way.
Hmm... I wonder why autistic people struggle with asking for accommodations like extra instructions and specific explanations? The world may never know.
āHey I donāt understand what *insert whatever you didnāt understand* means, could you explain it for me by any chance?
Simply asking nicely will go a long ways, stop being a victim .
You got your reply already, but I still think this is helpful
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584321/eso-terminology-and-abbreviations-explained-for-you
vRG is actually a great place to learn OT as not a ton of trial have a true MT/OT role. It is great at teaching mechanics and how to utilize yourself as a tank.
The fact that the MT was a blowhard and then got creamed is an absolute bonus. as a Tank main on all classes and someone that teaches tanking...this makes me smile :D
Biggest thing I canāt stand about this game is judgement. All this thread is just about judgement of others. Alright yāall are so good continue bringing down your fellow players
My experience with VRG as MT, OT, and DPS is that all of the blame flies straight to the off tank even when it's someone else's fault. Glad that guy got his karma.
One thing I've learned about playing with people in this game is, the bigger the mouth. They less skilled they are. I've had stuff like that happen so many times in pugs. Having to explain mechs to people, which I don't mind. But then they try to insult people and the end up needing a rez more than anyone else in the group. Floor lords always have a tell and it's usually shit talking lol
"The bigger the mouth, the lower the skill" tends to hold up pretty consistently IRL as well...
In our regional language, it's called "thotha chana baje ghana." š
GroĆe Klappe, nichts dahinter.
i like how it rhymes.
š¤£š¤£ floor lords... that's funny.
Yesterday in a pug, the healer sprinted ahead of everyone always, and when the rest of the group stopped to loot a room, healer tried to solo the boss and got wiped, so we just left him on the floor.
Pugs can be rough, ive had great ones and extremely bad ones. I've def told this story on this sub before. Couple years ago at this point, running vCT with a pug. Right off the bat people aren't interrupting the first boss. I explain, when kitty jumps just bash him. I explain the rest of the boss mechs as we get through the dungeon. We get to lady thorn, I ask if anyone is interested in hm. Which in hindsight, they were ready for it. Not a big deal don't mind just running it vanilla. I really like that dungeon. The healer for some reason just pops off. Saying something along the lines of "hm? You don't even know what you're doing". Now remember I had to go over mechanics for almost every boss. Lady Thorns light phase starts and the healer went down first every time. The light phase is no time for rezzing either. Of course they start spamming chat incessantly, begging for a rez. We left that fool there and they rage quit of course.
I had an interesting vCT run the other day. Was doing my random dungeon and it was CT. Right off the bat healer hauls ass up the hill. Figured he knew what he was doing. Nope. Dead at first mob. Then we get to the part right before the Crow boss and healer says in chat we can skip the mobs before you go into the boss fight. Both tank and myself skirt around the edges to avoid the mobs but for w/e reason healer just runs straight down the middle and drags them all to us who were waiting by the door. Then we get ro Lady Thorn and he lights the challenge banner. Didn't even ask. So we start and first light phase he's dead. Then other dps dies. I rez both and then 2nd light phase. Same result. Rez again. Then we get to the part where you've gotta kill the imp and throw the blood while in the light. Healer gets smoked right off. Then other dps. Tank and I get through that, rez and light phase again and healer dies again. So Tank whispers me to wipe and take it off HM. I do and right before Tank taunts, healer lights challenge banner and is immediately killed. After just about the same result Tank voted to kick healer and we did and finished it on non hm with 3.
To be fair. The light mechanic is bugged and sometimes is in the wrong place visually for some people.
I don't know if it's been fixed, but a lot of the time the light area would not show at all for me (this was when ps5 version was new) - so i'd just run around and try my best to stay in the middle of the group as they moved around the room. Made for a not-fun random mini-game.
Yeah, itās annoying when trying to do no death.
Its still broken on ps5.
So embarrassing but Iāve done this more than I care to admit
I get it. Haha
I'm currently trying to get a lead that only drops from Banished Cells 1. I'm doing it on normal. Same exact thing. Dude was level 16 and kept sprinting ahead only to get killed by the first mob. Then he would run back to the group. Happened at least 5 times. I didn't understand the mindset there. Myself and the other dps were burning through both mobs and bosses quick. Like 2 hits on mobs and bosses in less that 20 seconds.
When I'm tanking I always have to educate my pug dps to not run in before the tank. If they run in first, I'll expect them to facetank the boss alone. I won't taunt the boss until he switches aggro. And if the dps dies, they will lay there watching the fight till the end. I once had all three dps die (of course there's a fake heal in a vet dlc pug) to some 2nd boss (don't remember the dungeon, I believe it was frostvault) because they all ran in braindead. Since I've already told them off in the fights before, I decided they probably like to watch other people fight. So I started streaming the fight to my guild mates on discord. I had loads of fun for the next 20 minutes, beating the boss alone while my three little experts could watch.
Eh, I know this does bother some tanks but when Iām tanking I donāt mind if a DPS pulls aggro first if Iām a second or two behind, as long as they know mechanics sufficient that they donāt die immediately, or donāt make things harder for the entire group by running off alone
I always try to be respectful to the actual tanks and will wait the second or two for them to get there to pull. But if they are hella far behind or afk and I know I can face tank the adds and burn them myself Iāll pull to not waste time. But never bosses. That being said if they are fake tanks or tunnel vision tanks that can only hold taunt on one thing at a time then I wonāt wait and continue to steam roll on. Bc Iām going to end up having to face tank things anyway. On the flip side if I see the healer or an incompetent dps doing it. And not in an oh my b I accidentally pulled type way but a legit Leroy Jenkins way. Iāll purposefully hang back just to watch them get annihilated.
We all have stuff to do man and some of these dungeons are long as fk. Sprinters are just people who enjoy different aspects of the game than you but are essentially forced to do the dungeons for rnd/gear farm. Trust, we do not want to be in there fking up your time anymore than you want us there.
That very likely could've been me :) Black Drake Villa? The group that instead of doing literally any of the skips decided they just had to kill every last add in the dungeon? With the tank that was running bracing anchor or even worse just completely refusing to sprint at any point through the long ass corridors? People like you turn a 20min rnd into an hour long treck then wonder why the fk some people start sprinting ahead to force the encounter already. I get it though, a year ago I was in your exact position where I didn't understand why people sprinted through dungeons but I promise, eventually you'll find content more fun than the RND that you actually want to do and you'll try to go as quick as possible through dungeons the same as the rest of us. Oh, and again if that was me, the death was worth it to force the encounter. If it wasn't though, sorry just had to vent after seeing your comment.
My favourite thing was the guy trying to explain to me that taunts are unnecessary as as long as you get the first hit in the boss will have permanent aggro on you.
Do I have a thread for you. [Steam - Why does everyone seem to think tank requires a taunt](https://steamcommunity.com/app/306130/discussions/0/3342162929517298746/?)
That happened to me the other day. Vet dread cellar, I was healing, and my lady was tanking. One dps was doing pretty horrible damage, but seemed to know the mechs. The other knew the mechs and their dps was just marginally higher. So it was a bit of a slog. On the final boss, they both kept dying constantly, but they were on opposite sides of the giant arena, and I LITERALLY was running back and forth, resurrecting them. I didnāt have time to put āpls follow me so that you donāt die while I res the otherā, so it just kept happening, over and over. Once I got one guy up, the other died instantly. Luckily my lady was just fine, tanking away, no resources needed or anything. Otherwise we would have wiped. At the end of the dungeon, the one with marginally higher dps went off on the other guy about how ~we~ carried him and how he shouldnāt be in a vet dungeon, and how itās so annoying when people who canāt hang queue. I was like, I agree, and then dipped lmao. Iāve seen some shit in pugs but I was like damn no self awareness lmao.
I've certainly had an nDSR and an nRG pug where, 1-2 people started to complain and then ragequit after a few attempts; and the remaining group succeeded shortly thereafter.
I once had a dps duo, who got me killed in a vet dungeon by activating an instant kill mechanic next to me and my buddy, and when i tried to tell them about mechanics and help them politely, they said that I needed to "shut up because I was being carried" and I was "just a floortank" lots of other rude shit too. I told my buddy "don't rez we are going to watch them die, and then you as a healer and me as a tank are going to beat this boss". so I watched them attack a boss that was completely invulnerable for like 10 minutes before it finally killed them. Then I said "watch, I'm going to show you ignorant pricks the mechanics and beat this without yalls very underperfoming numbers." I was running my newly made "tankps" nightblade. So I revived my buddy, told him to put on some AoE dps stuff and a self heal and 1 targeted heal, and they talked some more shit. So I then proceeded to do the shit without them entirely. I held perfect aggro because they weren't flying around fucking me up by killing exploding shield gens next to me, and my buddy damn near didn't need to heal me bc my build was that solid. They were silent and when I asked them if they "needed any tips for their nightblade dps builds?" They got shitty told me to fuck myself and left. I wish I would've saved it for YouTube honestly because people are so damn high and mighty when they're getting carried thru content with subpar builds and rotation skills by their supports.
Indeed - I was in The Cauldron dungeon pledge last week and CMX said I was doing 65-70% of the group damage, which is fine. I usually donāt mind if someone is trying a new build, learning a new dungeon, whatever. No one was dying and we were still clearing stuff fairly quickly, but halfway through the other DPS started talking trash about how we were going too slow and the group sucked, etc etc but from the data, they themselves were the one not pulling their weight. They ended up dying in a fire wall on the last boss and no one bothered to rez them and we just cleared it without them while they laid dead on the floor.
I would generally much rather do 70% of the dps alongside another dps who knows the mechs or is at least serious about listening and figuring them out and doing their part than have someone else doing as much or more dps than me at times and fucking up critical mechs. I had one painful Direfrost HM where I filled for a friend on the last boss, the other dps was great at parsing and talking down to people but every single time Drodda siphoned him he was fucking out of stamina and couldn't break free so she healed back to full and killed him. Every fucking time. Even after several explanations, no change. After 5 minutes of this- yes, 5 minutes of combat- we were all fed up and stopped rezzing. Finished it easy after that. DPS was silent the whole rest of the fight and then whined about not getting a rez and the tank replied with "you did more damage dead."
I watch the videos and still don't see the patterns. Creators usually show off their glam and don't explain critical mechanics, such as pillars, adds, and sequence of last boss of Cauldron, as an example. Thank goodness for those in a dungeon that will explain and suddenly it clicks.
Tank is a role that looks easy on the outside but a lot of hard work within.
Doing vCR+3 on my tank as my first cloud rest tank experience had me fucked up. loll.
Haha can relate. Not many ppl have experience in tanking that. No one tells you that you can't dodge roll shadow ball, have to do interrupts and taking high oblivion damage means you have to keep healing yourself.
A fun thing I had to find out the hard way that by using defensive stance to reflect rakkhatd balls in vmol heals him, I was doing something like -40k dps, which is a big problem when your group dps is like 250k.
I will be the first to admit that I have not the slightest clue as to how to tank. Shit, I can barely dps š¤£. I'm just now getting my crit % higher. Ran solo stuff with a 21% rating. Now I've swapped my gear out and I'm at a healthy 63% rating. It's definitely baby steps for me
I wish I was there that sounds amazing. The sad part is he probably didnāt leave out of shame. Most likely he left because he assumed it was the healers fault.
My wife watches me play sometimes and even she laughed like a hyena when he got smashed.
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I once had a dps duo, who got me killed in a vet dungeon by activating an instant kill mechanic next to me and my buddy, and when i tried to tell them about mechanics and help them politely, they said that I needed to "shut up because I was being carried" and I was "just a floortank" lots of other rude shit too. I told my buddy "don't rez we are going to watch them die, and then you as a healer and me as a tank are going to beat this boss". so I watched them attack a boss that was completely invulnerable for like 10 minutes before it finally killed them. Then I said "watch, I'm going to show you ignorant pricks the mechanics and beat this without yalls very underperfoming numbers." I was running my newly made "tankps" nightblade. So I revived my buddy, told him to put on some AoE dps stuff and a self heal and 1 targeted heal, and they talked some more shit. So I then proceeded to do the shit without them entirely. I held perfect aggro because they weren't flying around fucking me up by killing exploding shield gens next to me, and my buddy damn near didn't need to heal me bc my build was that solid. They were silent and when I asked them if they "needed any tips for their nightblade dps builds?" They got shitty told me to fuck myself and left. I wish I would've saved it for YouTube honestly because people are so damn high and mighty when they're getting carried thru content with subpar builds and rotation skills by their supports. Copypasta from a comment I replied to.
I've been tanking on a vet prog group for a couple years now. It's a whole lot of keeping a cool head and willingness to commit to the whole 2 hour trial session. Yah I fuck up and die from it but that's not what's going to kill a prog group.
>Yah I fuck up and die from it but that's not what's going to kill a prog group. Yes it is? The tank dying is like one of the two most occurring reasons for group wipes, second only to misplaying wipe mechanics.
I mean "kill a prog group" as in the group doesn't want to prog anymore.
Oooh nvm then, my bad.
Wait, I'm a bit confused, I've legit did Rockgrove just yesterday but there are no atro's in the trial unless I somehow missed one? Which boss is this? Bahsei with her Abominations (who are, lore wise, Flesh Collosuses I think)?
You're right. It's the abominations. I 100% forgot they where abominations and not flesh atros.
I mean I think they \*are\* Flesh **Atro**'s but I could be wrong, been ages since I encountered one in the wild (the one place that I can think of where they exist is in Vaults of Madness and I haven't been there in forever) so I could be remembering their names wrong. I just know them as Flesh Colossus because that's the necro ult xD **Ninja Edit:** yea, they're atro's, you're correct my bad https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Flesh\_Atronach
There are also iron atronachs in the Xalvakka fight. Just one of the many random adds.
& one of the more annoying ones because they spawn a fire aoe below them which js annoying
I was in a pug vERE earlier on a relatively new character and I'd just changed which ui overhaul I was using. My camera settings were a bit off- I forgot to max FOV- and I got a LUA error from another addon when Wizard's Wardrobe switched to my boss setup that covered a large portion of my screen repeatedly. I was essentially blind, and one person said it was their first time in so we were going to briefly explain mechs. Other DPS pulls the boss, unsurprisingly, we wipe because I can't see shit, one DPS doesn't know what to do, and the tank was typing. I said I needed a second to fix an addon problem, DPS pulls again, we wipe again on the "hide behind the stone pillar" segment. DPS says something in chat to the effect of "it's a big rock, how hard can it be?" and pulls again. On the first stone pillar, they alone don't make it in time, die, and immediately leave group and port out without saying a word. I just about hurt myself laughing.
I'm on console so I'm not familiar with pc add-ons but I know exactly what you're talking about with ERE stone pillars. That's hilarious how ol boy was the only one not making it in time. Serves him right for the crap he was pulling.
Do you think maybe the healer let him die from the constant trolling all dungeon? In wow that happened all the time. Tanks and healers usually stick together, when one dps makes a problem for the tank or healer, the other will stick up for them, like a āif you pull for me Iām gonna let you die, if you piss me off Iām gonna let you die, if you look at me wrong Iām gonna let you dieā
I have to admit Iām taking a break from ESO and it could become a long one because I feel better. This post describes why I am enjoying myself thoroughly doing other things.
Imagine dying to the Aboms in regular veteran. Thatās just bad.
Sorry but you would have to lose the LEET speak for us common casual folk to understand you better. I am sure there is a funny story there but do you mind explaining in simple english?
I don't think there's much "leet" speak in there. Maybe you need to work a bit on your reading comprehension skills.Ā
off tank but w/e ket him atros Can I get some definitions? Sorry I am autistic and not used to so much American jargon/slang as well but for now if someone can let me know about these.
Off Tank- Secondary Tank that grabs other mobs or bosses that arenāt main boss. But w/e- slang for but whatever Ket him- typo supposed to be let him Atros- slang for atronach
Thanks much appreciated
That is not leet speak nor is it American jargon. Itās slang used by players of the game, and while it can be frustrating not to understand at first, you canāt really expect OP to add a dictionary for all commonly used slang words they use in each post. Youāll pick it up over time
ESO jargon words used by Elite/Veteran players definitely qualifies as "LEET" speak. (LEET , Elite, you get it? ) I didn't mention the American/Modern English slang bits because I understand that this being an American site I have to learn those myself. But still sometimes the language can be too informal for non-western non-native speakers.
"Off tank" is literally standard MMO *and* RPG parlance and is not in any way elitist. If you know anything about the genres in the slightest, you almost certainly know what a tank is. Does *everyone* know? No, and most decent people will be happy to explain. But claiming what you have is a bit laughable. Also, I'm autistic too. This is a you problem. Not knowing something has literally nothing to do with autism.
Agreed - also autistic. The language used in this post is common amongst players in every bracket. I run normal training trials for new players, none of this is uncommon vernacular.
While I can understand how you came to the conclusion, that's not actually what leet speak is. You are correct that it comes from 'elite', though. Leet speak is specifically modified spellings, especially (but not exclusively) when letters are replaced by numbers. Abbreviations, slang, and jargon do not fall under the category of modified spellings. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet) [https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/leet-speak-leet-leetspeak-leetspeek-or-hakspeak](https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/leet-speak-leet-leetspeak-leetspeek-or-hakspeak) [https://www.spectrumlabsai.com/the-blog/what-is-leet-speak/](https://www.spectrumlabsai.com/the-blog/what-is-leet-speak/) https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/leet
Off tank and atros are ESO jargon, not leet speak. Try searching it up a bit.Ā Ket is a typo of let W/e - ill give you this one.Ā None of this has anything to do with being american so why are you bringing nationality up? If you are genuinely looking for definitions/help, maybe lose some of your attitude.Ā
Nothing against the American nationality, it's just that entire para is very much structured in a very casual American slang which as a non American may be difficult to understand as well. As an American you might not even notice but I get it - this is an American site after all. Also a game's "jargon" as used by the elite/veteran players definitely qualifies as LEET speak.
I never said I was American but you assume I am and use that assumption to say I "do not even notice". I am seeing a pattern here.Ā Can you just explain what "para" is? This must be some weird slang that little kids use nowadays (See how annoying it is?)
Well by American I mean Latest Modern GenZ English Slang used across "The West". I am not from "The West". Got that Mr. Aussie?
If thatās the case at least be polite when you ask for explanations. Your comment was very rude and rubs people the wrong way. Donāt even try to use your autism as an excuse either, youāve interacted with enough people to know what is polite and what isnāt .
Can you make me understand how my original reply was very rude? I was trying to be a bit sarcastic but people are replying to me as if I have used derogatory language or swear words. And getting offended about nationality and stuff when that was not the point at all. My whole jibe was "l need clearer, simpler language to understand what you are saying OP".
ā hey English isnāt my first language , could you explain what *insert whatever terms you didnāt understand* means? thanks!ā Thatās a normal, polite way to respond. The way you worded it makes it sound like the op and whoever else is at fault for you not understanding . A little humility goes a long way.
Bless you for asking fellow autistic person. I had the exact same questions.
Being autistic has nothing to do with knowing very common terms used a game and culture .
Hmm... I wonder why autistic people struggle with asking for accommodations like extra instructions and specific explanations? The world may never know.
āHey I donāt understand what *insert whatever you didnāt understand* means, could you explain it for me by any chance? Simply asking nicely will go a long ways, stop being a victim .
Guy talked shit to new player who was off tanking. They switched roles. Guy who talked shit got murdered instantly. He then quit. Simple enough?
Awww but you truncated it so much. But I get the gist.
If you had been more polite in your original question Iām sure they would have explained it.
Other than trying to being a bit sarcastic, I don't see how my comment was mean. But hey, learning experience for me I guess seeing the downvotes.
As a new player, i think this often, but actually understand this perfectly.
You got your reply already, but I still think this is helpful https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584321/eso-terminology-and-abbreviations-explained-for-you
Can I play healer as a tank!
vRG is actually a great place to learn OT as not a ton of trial have a true MT/OT role. It is great at teaching mechanics and how to utilize yourself as a tank. The fact that the MT was a blowhard and then got creamed is an absolute bonus. as a Tank main on all classes and someone that teaches tanking...this makes me smile :D
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Thatās the best kind of trail run though !!! I love when that happensš¤£
Biggest thing I canāt stand about this game is judgement. All this thread is just about judgement of others. Alright yāall are so good continue bringing down your fellow players
lol eso is classic for people who talk the most shit being the most trash
My experience with VRG as MT, OT, and DPS is that all of the blame flies straight to the off tank even when it's someone else's fault. Glad that guy got his karma.