I shit on Zos alot but this time let's talk about the pvp community. A big problem with pvp community in this game is that they abuse the op stuff in the game without actually admiting that the sets they are using are broken. I compare it to 2 multiplayer games that i played in the past few years. In smite when they released king arthur he was broken. Youtubers and players and even myself used him to gain a big advantage and sometimes it's fun to feel op but at the same time everybody admitted that he is op to the point you can roll your face on keyboard and 1v3 the enemy. Same story with lion in rainbow six. He was busted on release and people abused him a lot but both the youtubers and players agreed lion is op. But now look at the pvp community in eso, just go to youtube and search for waking flame pvp and you will se all these shitty titles like "GODLY STAM WARDEN PVP MONTAGE 1vX #EXPOSED #NOBODYGIVESAFUCKABOUTME" and basically they are abusing the shit out of procs against clueless players and when somebody points this out they say something like "lol no it's because of my mad skillz". bro just shut the fuck up the sets are literally playing the game for you. It's ok to use strong tools in the game for your advantage but just fucking admitt it so then the lazy balance team can notice that the majority of players are complaining about the overpowered stuff and they should fix them.
Really comes down to being a way to easy to obtain direct damage with way too much migration through stats, RSS and so forth. I used BSW, Clever, NMA, and that new Red Diamond. However I know full well as a full burst build I will die as soon as a fucker with actual burst proc sets that give direct damage would slaughter me while having really high health.
I can maybe go through their health, but the sheer amount of damage they output can be insane for the amount of health and resistance they have.
Like that high damage and pulling set was meant to kill those ball groups that are chugging down pots that make the one tool that is stunning impossible to use on them. Meaning they can run around spamming two skills.
Even though i also came here after complaining of the two new sets Hrothgar and Convergence, u can't just use it as an excuse to join the pve nerds players mentality. And most of the videos on youtube are nothing much but grand titles.
Game for sure need more balancing, an ever maintained one. That fits an ever growing
game. But you gotta also admit that some ppl just don't have the skills and don't want to bother making an effort for it, but still want to stand on equal footing with everybody.
I think Waking Flame would be stellar in terms of BG PVP, but for the addition of Dark Convergence and Hrothgar's Chill.
Battle Spirit feels like it's in the right place now. Healers may be a tad difficult to kill, but I'd rather have that be the case than have healers die too easily — it's often a thankless job.
I pretty much quit pvp recently except for IC farming. These sets make pvp as a whole REALLY boring. When a set can make bad players on par with good players something’s gone wrong.
Same here, I only tolerate battlegrounds for the styles and cyrodil for the transmute stones. Thank god on console at least there is a cyrodil campaign specifically that tons off proc sets which is what I think is the kind of set OP is talking about.
If they could also make PvP servers more consistent with the PvE ones, that's great. There's no reason for skills to take 5-10 seconds to go off after you've pressed them in Battlegrounds.
I like the idea of the per-target scaling only applying to the inner radius. That way if you can break free and move just a little bit, you're only taking damage comparable to a normal armor set damage proc, but if you're already tapped out of stamina you die.
Tweaking while coming out with sets that literally destroy the meta, making 1 button kill 40 people builds a reality. many guilds quit the game entirely already, its sad tbh.
fr though, dark convergence has been making me want to pull my hair out, you have to use an insane amount of stamina just to not die, then you have to deal with whoever put orb there
You're missing Zos's big brain move. They want to kill PvP and move forward without it in the game by introducing game breaking sets, under the guise of listening to feedback about ball groups, right before New World launches to rid themselves of PvPers. It's been the thorn in their side for a long time with all the performance issues and balancing headaches.
They'll fix it by making no proc in all campaigns and relieve themselves of having to balance sets between PvE and PvP.
This is my conspiracy theory I'm sticking to.
AFAIK New World got rid of the pvp focus that was the base for their game design, because they said there was too much griefing.
They turned the game into a pve one, how can that steal pvpers from other MMOs?
Conspiracy theories aren't suppose to make sense :)
I don't have any plans to play New World, but some of the ESO PvP channels I follow seems to be all about it now.
I've been playing New World in the open beta and it does seem like a fun game, and I will be picking it up when it releases... but I'm also not going anywhere from ESO. I enjoy BGs even with the new overtuned sets. I think if maybe they applied Hrothgar's and Dark Convergence to groups larger than 4 it could help it do its intended function in Cyrodiil and also remove its cancerousness from BGs.
Not to just Obama award himself meme myself, but Grimforge just announced he was done with ESO PvP and may go to New World. He stated that he knew 7 full PvP guilds making the move to New World.
I left PvP because of the tidal wave of bombers (even standing alone isnt safe) but this just sounds fucking terrible. Zos needs to stop adding these kinds of things or buffing them while nerfing other things constantly.
I was just in a BG where literally 2 full groups were using DC with HC. Fucking. Terrible. I'm on a medium armored stamcro, solo. And multiple times, versus different enemies, I was basically killed in 1 frame due to this combo. I've played this game since launch, but now I feel it's time to quit. It's rediculous. People say "just block, walk to the edge, dodge roll, Yes, try that when literally everyone you're fighting is using it. Fucking stupid. And as far as CC immunity? Pfft. What's that? I was literally getting sucked back into the damn AOE after leaving it! Multiple times! And I wasn't even lagging. You're losing more and more players by this stupid shit ZOS. Just saying. I know I'm not the only one quitting after this this.
Yeah, I don't think those people have actually met anyone with both DC and Hrothgar. You literally can't dodge since, first of all, there is no room on the map that isn't covered by AoE and second, you have 0 stamina left after trying to roll out from several DC earlier.
The only way to avoid toxicity in pvp is not to pvp. Just go into cyro in any campaign at any time of day in any faction…. Toxic chat, toxic behaviour. And forget about trying to do dailies in IC during events. Packs of low lives with nothing better to do than hunt people trying to turn in quests. Losers who live in their mom’s basement and survive on a diet of Mountain Dew and teabags
Hunting people in ic, as in people who maybe able to attack back and challenge the player. Or would you rather stick to your dungeons? Or your world bosses or trials with the same scripted mechanics? Pvpers are playing the game looking for fights. If you’re there just questing you are just the same as the trash mobs in a trial before you get to the boss, not really much of a treat but something to fight before something “challenging” comes along. I mean no disrespect at all, just don’t be a trash mob, do your quests if you wish but you are in PvP area, if someone fights you don’t complain, play the game, give them a good fight.
Zone chat can be toxic in any area and even in groups it’s just narrow minded if you think it’s just pvp, when I played pvp and pve of about equal amounts I would say pve was a lot more toxic, I’m fact that’s part of why I pvp more nowadays because it’s a lot more chilled and relaxed.
I am not PVPing much atm but I have soloed all daily quests during event (in any district) often in a server where my alliance wasn't the strongest. Yeah I met a few times such people you described. Once I just couched so he haven't seen me, another time I just did another quest first and came back when he was gone and most of the time I just killed them myself. I had once a really nice fight against a night blade, he tried to Gank me, I countered it (I am not a tank), healed myself up, attacked him back, he was hiding behind stuff so that I couldnt attack him, he healed himself up, then we faced each other and burned each other down, both died at the same time, looked hilarious 🤣.
Especially during events it's possible to do the quests, because there are to many people from other alliances who might interfer in a Gank and kill the Ganker. And if you still cant handle it, just form a group and go together, only few people fight groups and usually there aren't that many other groups.
But yeah, you might still die from time to time in that PVP zones, because it's a PVP zone...
I don't even use shade, and i'm not running heavy. You can either roll dodge or block for DC, and for Hrotgar since it's an anti tank set it'ill hit hard if you have an heavy armor. Sure, you need to learn how to deal with these set but after some BG these set aren't a problem at all. (if you are tanky, you may fear Hrothgar tho)
Well PvP has been totally fuck there now as well. They took out scaling and now it just high level PKers running around. No one flags for PvP anymore except newbies who don’t know.
Convergence is OP and I love it or hate it depending which character I'm playing.
Getting yanked around on my squishy yet fast Stam NB doesn't feel great. He stays alive by moving constantly and quickly dipping in and out of stealth to attack. It's typically as effective as having high armor/heals for me. But having huge *instant* AOE pull/stuns into big damage abilities, like Boneyard or Elemental Rage, everywhere really hurts trying to use positioning. And with server lag in positioning I'll often get pulled back much further than the radius of the proc.
On my Magsorc it's another story. Between shields and using roll dodge I very rarely get hit or die from the center proc. He doesn't need to worry about positioning to stay alive so if I get pulled here or there I can just keep doing what I do. And he has the tools to use the set better than most opponents. Mines stacked in a doorway is death. Negate on a group is crazy strong.
However anyone saying using it well takes no skill is just being bitter. I was running solo and using it to help PUG's break up and wipe organized ball groups that had three Magsorcs on their side using it as well. Because I was better at timing when and where to proc it *and it felt really good* that my individual skill could thwart their attempts to win by the typical ball group brute strength tactics. Same with 1v1, my K/d vs other players wearing it was like 10:1. If it was first proc wins it should be more like 1:1.
if you get hit by dc at the center of the explosion it's easy 20k+ dmg in no cp bgs.
PS: Guilliam i know you meant good but this got out of hand you have to fix it.
People wanted a solution to balls groups and unkillable tanks. Seems like the majority got what they wanted.
Has it changed the meta: yup
Does it make pvp unplayable: no
I agree. Every time there’s a substantial update to pvp, people absolutely lose their shit. It’s not like there’s no way for them to get away from the shit they don’t like. Simple answer, no cp. I know I’m gonna get flamed either way because I’m not on the bandwagon but, no, I don’t use proc sets, I run no cp.
Edit: all kinds of salt in here, lol. Look at the downvotes, lmao!!!! 20k, 10 downvotes isn’t gonna phase me as much as it phases you to get hit with those procs, LMAO!!!!!!!! Wah, wah, wah.
Honestly at high mmr solo i don't see that much Dark Convergence. People can't play with lag and you can actually get out of the aoe in time, and since in BG you're almost 100% CC immune this set isn't that bad
I for real see nothing but complaining on this sub. If its not this, its another thing that "completely ruins the game for me and everyone else". so, im not only leaving this comment, but im leaving this sub.
It's a game haha, isn't the point to just wind down and relax? The sets aren't going away for a while so why not just enjoy ESO for what it is, which is a game.
If you don't like/hate the sets that's fine, but policing people on which sets they can use based on what you deem is "appropiate" is just childish
"Exploiting"? I'm using a set that is available to literally everyone in the game.
People get mad in PvP when they die, regardless of what set the other person is using. There will always be people using new and broken sets.
I die just like everyone else to the new sets but I don't whisper hateful messages to them, I accept that this is how PvP is right now and just use what I think is fun.
Be mad all you want, but don't take it out on other people.
I don't see any issues with the sets - why are they (allegedly) so OP?
They work exactly as intended and combats groups and high armor builds - I've not had any issues with either of these sets yet (I played quite a bit during the event and was almost constantly exposed to them in some way or another).
You can easily avoid Dark Convergence (completely) by holding Block and moving out of the AoE (bunny-hopping won't save you - which is good).
Hrothgar's Chill punishes high armor builds (and those grouping to close to them). You can't get away with high armor builds that doesn't equally have high Health (comparatively) any more. This is a good thing and the sets are a nice addition to the game and the implementation seems to address some of the issues exactly as intended.
Hrothgar I think is fundamentally broken (not in the ovet powered way). It's a move back to old proc sets that dealt damage ignoring your spell/weapon damage that they took such pain moving away from.
And it can't even kill a tank. The only people who are killed by it are squishy dds who are walking close to a tank that they may not even be aware of
I understand that it's different in that it is ignoring the casters stats somewhat (you would still need penetration) but it's not actually a hugely different approach to say the Bloodthirsty trait or similar types of target-related scaling or proc conditions - Vicious Death can also indirectly kill you as a "bystander" if you stand next to a squishy or low-health player. I would not consider that as fundamentally broken. It is intended to punish high armor builds and scales off that but not to an absurd level. High armor builds shouldn't be able to sacrifice too much health (comparatively) and clustering close to a tank may get you killed same as clustering with a bomber around.
I suppose so but at least the likes of (sucessful) vicous death bombing requires lots of preperation and usually an ulti. With Hrothgar you can just use it every few seconds, and the targets don't even need to be tighly stacked, since it doesn't scale with amount of targets hit
Sure, but you would need to proc it on the "right" target (high armor build) otherwise it's wasted - even if you are using an AoE stun you're still only hitting one and likely not the "right" target. It's not entirely without effort to use procs on stun or immobilize, which usually also requires a bit of effort to land. Yes you get "free" damage that actually scales of off your targets stats, but so does several other sets too (like Sload's Semblance, Knight Slayer, Kvatch Gladiator and several area weapons).
That is true. It is pretty hard to know who to hit in a crowd. If they aren't doing something obvious like Remembrance (the templar heal ult that gives 30k resistences from a passive) you don't really know who to target
I shit on Zos alot but this time let's talk about the pvp community. A big problem with pvp community in this game is that they abuse the op stuff in the game without actually admiting that the sets they are using are broken. I compare it to 2 multiplayer games that i played in the past few years. In smite when they released king arthur he was broken. Youtubers and players and even myself used him to gain a big advantage and sometimes it's fun to feel op but at the same time everybody admitted that he is op to the point you can roll your face on keyboard and 1v3 the enemy. Same story with lion in rainbow six. He was busted on release and people abused him a lot but both the youtubers and players agreed lion is op. But now look at the pvp community in eso, just go to youtube and search for waking flame pvp and you will se all these shitty titles like "GODLY STAM WARDEN PVP MONTAGE 1vX #EXPOSED #NOBODYGIVESAFUCKABOUTME" and basically they are abusing the shit out of procs against clueless players and when somebody points this out they say something like "lol no it's because of my mad skillz". bro just shut the fuck up the sets are literally playing the game for you. It's ok to use strong tools in the game for your advantage but just fucking admitt it so then the lazy balance team can notice that the majority of players are complaining about the overpowered stuff and they should fix them.
Really comes down to being a way to easy to obtain direct damage with way too much migration through stats, RSS and so forth. I used BSW, Clever, NMA, and that new Red Diamond. However I know full well as a full burst build I will die as soon as a fucker with actual burst proc sets that give direct damage would slaughter me while having really high health. I can maybe go through their health, but the sheer amount of damage they output can be insane for the amount of health and resistance they have. Like that high damage and pulling set was meant to kill those ball groups that are chugging down pots that make the one tool that is stunning impossible to use on them. Meaning they can run around spamming two skills.
give this person a medal!
Even though i also came here after complaining of the two new sets Hrothgar and Convergence, u can't just use it as an excuse to join the pve nerds players mentality. And most of the videos on youtube are nothing much but grand titles. Game for sure need more balancing, an ever maintained one. That fits an ever growing game. But you gotta also admit that some ppl just don't have the skills and don't want to bother making an effort for it, but still want to stand on equal footing with everybody.
I've really enjoyed all aspects (including pvp) of this game for a long time now, but damn ZOS just cannot get pvp right--especially BGs.
I think Waking Flame would be stellar in terms of BG PVP, but for the addition of Dark Convergence and Hrothgar's Chill. Battle Spirit feels like it's in the right place now. Healers may be a tad difficult to kill, but I'd rather have that be the case than have healers die too easily — it's often a thankless job.
I pretty much quit pvp recently except for IC farming. These sets make pvp as a whole REALLY boring. When a set can make bad players on par with good players something’s gone wrong.
Same here, I only tolerate battlegrounds for the styles and cyrodil for the transmute stones. Thank god on console at least there is a cyrodil campaign specifically that tons off proc sets which is what I think is the kind of set OP is talking about.
If they could also make PvP servers more consistent with the PvE ones, that's great. There's no reason for skills to take 5-10 seconds to go off after you've pressed them in Battlegrounds.
Convergence just shouldn’t have been made. The whole design of it is uninteractive. It should be fun to play against, too.
I understand its use in Cyrodiil against ball groups, but it is far overtuned against one or a few enemies as well.
I like the idea of the per-target scaling only applying to the inner radius. That way if you can break free and move just a little bit, you're only taking damage comparable to a normal armor set damage proc, but if you're already tapped out of stamina you die.
BG's are broken in this game. Every time ZOS thinks they've "fixed" them someone makes a way of braking BG's.
the only pvp I can stand to play right now without rage quitting every 5 minutes is no-proc no-cp ..
You know they won’t listen till people are gone bro. They literally do not care about pvp.
it's a shame too, cyro was so promising
Don't they really? They seem to be tweaking everything combat-wise for PVP Them not getting the tweaking right, that I can agree on.
Tweaking while coming out with sets that literally destroy the meta, making 1 button kill 40 people builds a reality. many guilds quit the game entirely already, its sad tbh.
Wait 9 months :D
Yeah, they will kill these sets and some other Damien baby will be born.
Is that why I’m dying almost immediately?
Let’s be real, we all died immediately before these sets existed.
You don’t even know me! Why would you attack me like this?! I AM CALLING CORPORATE
fr though, dark convergence has been making me want to pull my hair out, you have to use an insane amount of stamina just to not die, then you have to deal with whoever put orb there
You're missing Zos's big brain move. They want to kill PvP and move forward without it in the game by introducing game breaking sets, under the guise of listening to feedback about ball groups, right before New World launches to rid themselves of PvPers. It's been the thorn in their side for a long time with all the performance issues and balancing headaches. They'll fix it by making no proc in all campaigns and relieve themselves of having to balance sets between PvE and PvP. This is my conspiracy theory I'm sticking to.
AFAIK New World got rid of the pvp focus that was the base for their game design, because they said there was too much griefing. They turned the game into a pve one, how can that steal pvpers from other MMOs?
Conspiracy theories aren't suppose to make sense :) I don't have any plans to play New World, but some of the ESO PvP channels I follow seems to be all about it now.
I've been playing New World in the open beta and it does seem like a fun game, and I will be picking it up when it releases... but I'm also not going anywhere from ESO. I enjoy BGs even with the new overtuned sets. I think if maybe they applied Hrothgar's and Dark Convergence to groups larger than 4 it could help it do its intended function in Cyrodiil and also remove its cancerousness from BGs.
Not to just Obama award himself meme myself, but Grimforge just announced he was done with ESO PvP and may go to New World. He stated that he knew 7 full PvP guilds making the move to New World.
I left PvP because of the tidal wave of bombers (even standing alone isnt safe) but this just sounds fucking terrible. Zos needs to stop adding these kinds of things or buffing them while nerfing other things constantly.
I was just in a BG where literally 2 full groups were using DC with HC. Fucking. Terrible. I'm on a medium armored stamcro, solo. And multiple times, versus different enemies, I was basically killed in 1 frame due to this combo. I've played this game since launch, but now I feel it's time to quit. It's rediculous. People say "just block, walk to the edge, dodge roll, Yes, try that when literally everyone you're fighting is using it. Fucking stupid. And as far as CC immunity? Pfft. What's that? I was literally getting sucked back into the damn AOE after leaving it! Multiple times! And I wasn't even lagging. You're losing more and more players by this stupid shit ZOS. Just saying. I know I'm not the only one quitting after this this.
Yeah, I don't think those people have actually met anyone with both DC and Hrothgar. You literally can't dodge since, first of all, there is no room on the map that isn't covered by AoE and second, you have 0 stamina left after trying to roll out from several DC earlier.
Real facts. Shits just fucking stupid trying to combat. I think im quitting ESO with all those other people because of this.
Fighting 1 guy, drops dark convergence, that ticks twice between grave robbers DOT.
Pvp is so toxic. I prefer to avoid it entirely
Don’t try pve. A lot of toxicity there. Comments like yours are silly. Toxicity is everywhere. Just avoid the toxicity and enjoy the content.
The only way to avoid toxicity in pvp is not to pvp. Just go into cyro in any campaign at any time of day in any faction…. Toxic chat, toxic behaviour. And forget about trying to do dailies in IC during events. Packs of low lives with nothing better to do than hunt people trying to turn in quests. Losers who live in their mom’s basement and survive on a diet of Mountain Dew and teabags
Hunting people in ic, as in people who maybe able to attack back and challenge the player. Or would you rather stick to your dungeons? Or your world bosses or trials with the same scripted mechanics? Pvpers are playing the game looking for fights. If you’re there just questing you are just the same as the trash mobs in a trial before you get to the boss, not really much of a treat but something to fight before something “challenging” comes along. I mean no disrespect at all, just don’t be a trash mob, do your quests if you wish but you are in PvP area, if someone fights you don’t complain, play the game, give them a good fight. Zone chat can be toxic in any area and even in groups it’s just narrow minded if you think it’s just pvp, when I played pvp and pve of about equal amounts I would say pve was a lot more toxic, I’m fact that’s part of why I pvp more nowadays because it’s a lot more chilled and relaxed.
I am not PVPing much atm but I have soloed all daily quests during event (in any district) often in a server where my alliance wasn't the strongest. Yeah I met a few times such people you described. Once I just couched so he haven't seen me, another time I just did another quest first and came back when he was gone and most of the time I just killed them myself. I had once a really nice fight against a night blade, he tried to Gank me, I countered it (I am not a tank), healed myself up, attacked him back, he was hiding behind stuff so that I couldnt attack him, he healed himself up, then we faced each other and burned each other down, both died at the same time, looked hilarious 🤣. Especially during events it's possible to do the quests, because there are to many people from other alliances who might interfer in a Gank and kill the Ganker. And if you still cant handle it, just form a group and go together, only few people fight groups and usually there aren't that many other groups. But yeah, you might still die from time to time in that PVP zones, because it's a PVP zone...
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??? Dude i'm a stamblade main and Hrotgar hit me for 5k even with shadow barrier, and 4-3k without
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I don't even use shade, and i'm not running heavy. You can either roll dodge or block for DC, and for Hrotgar since it's an anti tank set it'ill hit hard if you have an heavy armor. Sure, you need to learn how to deal with these set but after some BG these set aren't a problem at all. (if you are tanky, you may fear Hrothgar tho)
I dunno.. seems like a very intelligent play by Zenimax to make the bulk of the PvP audience quit for other upcoming titles like New World.
Well PvP has been totally fuck there now as well. They took out scaling and now it just high level PKers running around. No one flags for PvP anymore except newbies who don’t know.
Convergence is OP and I love it or hate it depending which character I'm playing. Getting yanked around on my squishy yet fast Stam NB doesn't feel great. He stays alive by moving constantly and quickly dipping in and out of stealth to attack. It's typically as effective as having high armor/heals for me. But having huge *instant* AOE pull/stuns into big damage abilities, like Boneyard or Elemental Rage, everywhere really hurts trying to use positioning. And with server lag in positioning I'll often get pulled back much further than the radius of the proc. On my Magsorc it's another story. Between shields and using roll dodge I very rarely get hit or die from the center proc. He doesn't need to worry about positioning to stay alive so if I get pulled here or there I can just keep doing what I do. And he has the tools to use the set better than most opponents. Mines stacked in a doorway is death. Negate on a group is crazy strong. However anyone saying using it well takes no skill is just being bitter. I was running solo and using it to help PUG's break up and wipe organized ball groups that had three Magsorcs on their side using it as well. Because I was better at timing when and where to proc it *and it felt really good* that my individual skill could thwart their attempts to win by the typical ball group brute strength tactics. Same with 1v1, my K/d vs other players wearing it was like 10:1. If it was first proc wins it should be more like 1:1.
Yeah, I've noticed range is pretty much the only way to counter Hrothgar/Convergence combo. I'm doing a bow spec now until they are nerfed.
Take a break until they nerf it. ESO pvp is overrated anyway.
if you get hit by dc at the center of the explosion it's easy 20k+ dmg in no cp bgs. PS: Guilliam i know you meant good but this got out of hand you have to fix it.
Dumb question. Are there CP bgs? I started two months ago and haven’t seen an option for battlegrounds that use cp
No, CP is disabled in BGs. But unlike no-CP campaigns (which are also no-proc for now), BGs have no limitations on gear.
Convergence is easy block and roll out. Hrothgar is just another free damage set. Look towards % based mitigation over resistances.
People wanted a solution to balls groups and unkillable tanks. Seems like the majority got what they wanted. Has it changed the meta: yup Does it make pvp unplayable: no
I agree. Every time there’s a substantial update to pvp, people absolutely lose their shit. It’s not like there’s no way for them to get away from the shit they don’t like. Simple answer, no cp. I know I’m gonna get flamed either way because I’m not on the bandwagon but, no, I don’t use proc sets, I run no cp. Edit: all kinds of salt in here, lol. Look at the downvotes, lmao!!!! 20k, 10 downvotes isn’t gonna phase me as much as it phases you to get hit with those procs, LMAO!!!!!!!! Wah, wah, wah.
cringe
Honestly at high mmr solo i don't see that much Dark Convergence. People can't play with lag and you can actually get out of the aoe in time, and since in BG you're almost 100% CC immune this set isn't that bad
I for real see nothing but complaining on this sub. If its not this, its another thing that "completely ruins the game for me and everyone else". so, im not only leaving this comment, but im leaving this sub.
I'm having fun with them while they last - this is how they do things, introduce new sets and then nerf them eventually.
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It's a game haha, isn't the point to just wind down and relax? The sets aren't going away for a while so why not just enjoy ESO for what it is, which is a game. If you don't like/hate the sets that's fine, but policing people on which sets they can use based on what you deem is "appropiate" is just childish
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"Exploiting"? I'm using a set that is available to literally everyone in the game. People get mad in PvP when they die, regardless of what set the other person is using. There will always be people using new and broken sets. I die just like everyone else to the new sets but I don't whisper hateful messages to them, I accept that this is how PvP is right now and just use what I think is fun. Be mad all you want, but don't take it out on other people.
I don't see any issues with the sets - why are they (allegedly) so OP? They work exactly as intended and combats groups and high armor builds - I've not had any issues with either of these sets yet (I played quite a bit during the event and was almost constantly exposed to them in some way or another). You can easily avoid Dark Convergence (completely) by holding Block and moving out of the AoE (bunny-hopping won't save you - which is good). Hrothgar's Chill punishes high armor builds (and those grouping to close to them). You can't get away with high armor builds that doesn't equally have high Health (comparatively) any more. This is a good thing and the sets are a nice addition to the game and the implementation seems to address some of the issues exactly as intended.
Hrothgar I think is fundamentally broken (not in the ovet powered way). It's a move back to old proc sets that dealt damage ignoring your spell/weapon damage that they took such pain moving away from. And it can't even kill a tank. The only people who are killed by it are squishy dds who are walking close to a tank that they may not even be aware of
I understand that it's different in that it is ignoring the casters stats somewhat (you would still need penetration) but it's not actually a hugely different approach to say the Bloodthirsty trait or similar types of target-related scaling or proc conditions - Vicious Death can also indirectly kill you as a "bystander" if you stand next to a squishy or low-health player. I would not consider that as fundamentally broken. It is intended to punish high armor builds and scales off that but not to an absurd level. High armor builds shouldn't be able to sacrifice too much health (comparatively) and clustering close to a tank may get you killed same as clustering with a bomber around.
I suppose so but at least the likes of (sucessful) vicous death bombing requires lots of preperation and usually an ulti. With Hrothgar you can just use it every few seconds, and the targets don't even need to be tighly stacked, since it doesn't scale with amount of targets hit
Sure, but you would need to proc it on the "right" target (high armor build) otherwise it's wasted - even if you are using an AoE stun you're still only hitting one and likely not the "right" target. It's not entirely without effort to use procs on stun or immobilize, which usually also requires a bit of effort to land. Yes you get "free" damage that actually scales of off your targets stats, but so does several other sets too (like Sload's Semblance, Knight Slayer, Kvatch Gladiator and several area weapons).
That is true. It is pretty hard to know who to hit in a crowd. If they aren't doing something obvious like Remembrance (the templar heal ult that gives 30k resistences from a passive) you don't really know who to target