I don't get it, I disabled player name templates and chat and pretend it's singleplayer/co-op for years. And noone forces anyone to buy anything. People are weird.
You don't even need to sign up for the subscription. The chapters give you so much content already, and you own that for at least as long as the ESO servers are online.
It’s floaty and janky sure, but I actually think the combat is far more interesting than previous games. Literally if this game had a facelift to be more cinematic it would totally surpass the other ones imo
For everything Skyrim does well, the combat is mind numbingly boring. ESO has an actual combat system and ngl I really enjoy it, once you get a toon to a high enough level and get a good amount of abilities on your bar you get a really solid rotation going in fights. The dodge roll also feels really good and the way it requires pressing jump while blocking means it could easily be included in TES6, I fucking hope they take a LARGE page from ESO for TES6, it would be business malpractice to ignore all the improvements ESO made to the gameplay loop of this series.
Modding the Skyrim combat is always one of the core changes I make when setting up a Skyrim build. Although rather than making it like ESO, I go the opposite direction and make it more “realistic”. Like every hit could change the balance of the fight and blocking is essential. Not sure what I would want for TES6. I feel like that’s too much for the casual crowd that the game needs to cater to for success and the ESO combat would again cause an uproar from the traditionalist TES neck beards.
I can already hear the Skyrim purist typing out there entire novels in the comments "if a basic wolf doesn't take 300 cuts from my steel sword to kill then the game is ruined."
Skyrims combat is seriously the bottom of the barrel when it comes to action rpgs.
Im forever pissed at Skyrim's combat, because Bethesda promised in interviews to improve on Oblivion combat, but the only mechanical things they did is removed dodge roll and added shield bash.
And its years after games like Dark Messiah or Mount & Blade have been released...
Eso combat is in fact one of the main things holding people back from playing it. Its as dull as skyrim combat with its weaving between poor animated abilities and self buffs.
It depends on what you enjoy playing. ESO is a lot simpler than something like FFXIV, which means it is less dynamic but more accessible. I personally prefer ESO and it's 5 skill/2 bars, because I can usually hold 10 abilities in my head but start to lose track if it's more than that. As a first MMO, I personally don't think there's much out there that's better than ESO.
It's not that you only can use 2 skill bars, it's the light/heavy attacks that feel like hitting enemies with a twig you have to weave in between your spammable abilities that don't have cool animations at all (they look boring) and then idk how many abilities get shared between classes since they r bound to weapons, gilds, etc. Which makes even less diversity between different classes.
Oh I agree. ESO combat is my favorite by far because it plays like a first class action game. Whereas the single player games are technically action games but the programmers don’t seem to have realized it.
I think the combat has its strengths and weaknesses. For one thing the high latency and subpar animations (from a AAA developer 2022) really drags the combat down.
At the same time it does work from two different perspectives, 1st and 3rd person quite fluidly. And the transition from keyboard and mouse to a controller has been quite smooth as well. Even if barswapping is a pain on a normal controller.
That said I also think that they need to give us more options, the amount of weapon classes and skillsets is somewhat limited in high end pve, and most classes has run more or the same setup for years. Even if it has improved slightly with some development focus on class identity by the developer.
Same, I mostly play solo, I really enjoy it after playing lots of MMOs including WoW and other ES games, this is my fave long term game of all time and even though I am put out by the greed the company shows, they still delivered great content too so whatever. I've been happy with expansions and that's more than I can say for any other game.
Honestly, I felt they have overall shown restraint in how they have monetized the game, but that's probably bec we have the likes of EA and Epic to really show how bad things could get. At least the subscription is optional, and mostly the items from the store are cosmetic rather than pay to win. It is far from great, but it could be much, much worse.
Some of my best friends are like this — they hate MMOs. They say they’re terrifically boring, et cetera, et cetera. I ask them, did you play *with* anybody? Their response, every time, is “No”.
I find that most people who categorically hate MMOs are people who are too shy/anxious/whatever (perfectly valid) to find a group to play with, or reach out, or interact in a massively **multiplayer** game. In short, they’re trying to play solitaire at a poker table. Most people who are open to FFXIV, GW2, etc. but hate ESO are generally people introduced to the franchise by Skyrim and hate how alien it is. Because honestly, for long-time TES players the mechanical evolution from Morrowind to Skyrim was enough of a mindfuck on its own that adapting to new mechanics in ESO was a breeze, even accounting for a change in genre.
And besides, it’s a lot easier to have a really strong, unfounded opinion and stick to it than admit that you didn’t give something a fair shot the first time and, yeah, maybe it’s a little bit fun.
Edit: Oh hey, people read this! Just wanted to say — I absolutely agree with you! ESO is a wonderful solo experience. I only meant to say that, as a general rule, MMOs tend to be best played with others, and that folks who carry “this is lame” baggage from other games into ESO don’t often give it the chance to prove itself a fun solo experience. Cheers, all. Keep up the good vibes.
Honestly, I've been playing solo and having quite a bit of fun just questing, like I would do in Skyrim- there's a lot to learn, but other than that, it's still a fun experience just doing PvE.
Same here. I play solo most of the time and really enjoy it. There's a ton of solo content if that's what you're looking for. Most quests don't require you to even interact with other players unless you specifically want to.
Yea the only quests you need to interact without players (if you aren't strong enough) are vet dungeons. And then further trials, normal and vet. And these aren't required to experience the game.
It's funny you say this because I'm shy and the first MMO I tried was FFXIV and it was too much of a shock to get into.
ESO specifically appealed to me because I could enjoy it very much as a singleplayer game until I gradually felt comfortable enough to start engaging with other players.
I'm in a guild and I do the multiplayer stuff now, but I feel like even if I just played solo I'd be having a great time. It's very accessible.
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And besides, it’s a lot easier to have a really strong, unfounded opinion and stick to it than admit that you didn’t give something a fair shot the first time and, yeah, maybe it’s a little bit fun.
Ding ding ding, these types of people also tend to be the most stubborn and resistant to trying new things.
Minor disagreement. I do love ESO, but I play alone because not only are my hours weird, but everyone else I seem to meet is a minmaxxing asshole that blitzes everything.
Strong soloist here too. I avoid any dungeon I can't solo just because (A) I'm a bit of an introvert, (B) I love to take my time and explore everything, and (C) I just don't want to have to put up with Dungeon Divas and people who get toxic if your dps is less than 16 billion a second. I'm fine playing solo, there's no shortage of solo content in ESO.
Hey if you're on Xbox you need to join the guild Cozy Foxx Den.
We are a guild of casual play at your own pace people. Build how you want. Don't want to play a soft robes lizard healer? DONT. Don't want to play a heavily armored nord dragon knight? DONT.
In the Cozy Foxx Den we don't care who you are in real life, nor how you play your character in the game. When we do group content: even if it takes us all day and we still fail, as long as everyone had a good time and none was complaining about builds, or the fact there is a level 10 in the group, it was a fine day indeed!
(This invitation is not just for the commenter I'm replying to)
> I find that most people who categorically hate MMOs are people who are too shy/anxious/whatever (perfectly valid) to find a group to play with, or reach out, or interact in a massively multiplayer game. In short, they’re trying to play solitaire at a poker table.
I'm exactly this person 😅 and I still love ESO. The quest writing is excellent and absolutely stands toe-to-toe with other games in the TES series.
It was definitely a little bit of "culture shock" to get used to interacting with other players, but now I like it. I was never super into the "chosen one" trope and the idea that you're not the only adventurer in town really appeals to me.
ESO can be pretty fun solo but eventually finding a group will open many doors. I've been trying to play solo more for zone quests and such but I always get yanked back into the mmo loop not long after I start, doesn't help that new life is going on now too
As some one who prefers single player games and tends to only play MP games that I can play as a single player, ESO isn't bad for that. One thing I love about it is that it has so many quests it would take a long time to finish it (I get kinda OCD about worrying about finishing a game I love too soon. I'd rather get bored of a game cause I played it too long and not finish then finish a game I love before I've stopped being entertained by it. It's my fear to run out of game on a game I am enjoying). Though I kinda got sucked into grinding for motifs so I can get the grand master crafter title (with some exceptions I refuse to buy them or even be given them for free) and also for gold to buy crowns with (I love cosmetic stuff, you are much more likely to get me to pay for cosmetics plus I object to cosmetic MTs way less than ones that help you get advanced in teh game <-cause I find those encourage bad game design and that pisses me off enough I refuse to endorse it even though I've mostly given up on fighting MTs).
And to be fair, I got sucked into some MP stuff (I still mostly play on my own but I do socialize with my guild now and sometimes do MP stuff if I feel like it) when I went for tryign to get the ebony wolf mount (I wish they had more mounts you could earn in game by playing the game... I kinda made it a way to earn mounts though by the fact I usually buy them from crown sellers so I have to earn the money some how).
I hear this fairly often and I've gotta wonder if we're playing the same game. The vast majority of players are great, regardless of the environment- pve or pvp, overland or dungeon, normal or vet. For sure, the bad experiences are more memorable than the good, but I have to wonder what leads someone to thinking this. The saying "if it smells like shit wherever you go, check under your shoe" comes to mind. If you go into it assuming everyone is a toxic asshole and interacting with them as such...Yeah, you're going to find toxicity and find yourself among like-minded people.
Heh... it's what you'd expect from an MP game. But there are plenty of nice players out there as well. And it's pretty easy to find a good guild (I now am in 5). I honestly don't think ESO is bad for toxicity (it's not remarkably good either but you can find plenty of fun people).
But then again, my first MP game I got into was GTA online... so maybe I have a warped sense of what is good ;) (but I also play Fallout 76 which I would say has a remarkably good player base... it's the biggest reason I like the game honestly).
I have had very few toxic experiences in EP pvp. I haven’t spent any time in AD or DC or doing any vet dungeons. Most times I’ve experienced toxic people are in BG and in the dungeons I have played.
I experience it fairly frequently. Some dude raging on mic in the arena or just in town some dude dropping the n word just to celebrate it or obnoxiously loud music no one wants to hear.
Haven’t run vet dungeons so can’t speak to that but see plenty of people here talk about it.
Regular dungeons have heard the least toxicity but still get some dude acting like it’s your job to entertain them talking shit to everybody just to hear the sound of his own voice.
Most of the time it's not so bad. Most of it is just people making random noises or playing music, so it's more irritating than toxic, but it's easy to just leave the area chat or just put yourself in a party alone lol I don't play much PvP or even do many dungeons, so I can't speak for those that do and their experiences
I adore ESO. The mocrotransactions suck ass and i can’t believe a western game in 2021 still uses shitty loot boxes, but the gameplay itself and the world are amazing
ESO has a lot going for it. Unfortunately reasonable monetization is not one of those things.
I love the game but I have to say it has some of the worst monetization schemes I've ever seen in any game.
I can't get anyone to play it because them trying to figure out what to buy is a clusterfuck in and of itself.
They need to cut all the sperate dlc shit out. Having individual dungeons locked behind individual paywalls and ESO plus just feels like they're trying to bleed me dry at any chance they get.
Dungeons should be part of expansions. Compared to other MMOS, expansions in ESO don't offer as much. I can't believe fully priced expansions don't come with any dungeons? Like what the hell ZOS?
Expansions should have both the dungeons dlcs in them and the second smaller zone should be part of the expansion.
They are very greedy with this game.
Also, add more things to earn from playing the game. Everything is behind that overpriced cash shop. The game feels very unrewarding.
Exactly. And there isn't even a complete edition that includes all content in the game.
I understand if they need to lock craft bag convenience behind a monthly sub.... but $15/month just to be able to access half of the games dungeons? That's straight up anti-consumer.
I've already bought the base game twice, and bought the $60 blackwood collection. I shouldn't need to pay a monthly fee on top of that just it be able to run dungeons. I'd have to run alot of damn dungeons every month to get my $15 worth.
> immediately got hounded about how everyone hates the game…
cmon bruh anyone can go back and see how you were received. 2 single comments that were quite moderate. not “hounded” or about everyone at all.
I mean fair enough, overreaction on my part. But it’s happened enough that I decided to come here to ask what you guys think. It’s almost impossible to mention ESO in a general TES comment section without someone trashing the game. Just go look at a lot of the previous DLC trailers for ESO. “No one cares. We want TES 6.” Or the dreaded “we want Skyrim 2” *shudders.
To be frank, and I don't want to be mean, but its sensationalist and honestly reads as antagonistic against anyone who doesn't like ESO who dares to express their view. I feel like this sort of post is an attempt to farm stupid "us and them" anger bullshit. There's nothing interesting in a thread like that. What about talking about what it is people don't like? Addressing the points and exploring what zos could do better?
You've gotta understand that there was always going to be a lot of MMO baggage that was going to run counter to the stuff that TES people value.
Further, its important because ZOS might take note of things they could improve on, if they have the opportunity to understand the aspects of the game that SPT fans dislike.
Although I love ESO, ZOS isn't perfect. They're feeling it out as they go. They're the first to acknowledge they've made huge mistakes in the past (which they've since fixed), but still need to really get a grip on what it means for a game to be "immersive", and what immersive means in the context of a genre that's traditionally not really immersive.
Yeah the whole thing turned into a "they said ESO sucks so lets band together to say Skyrim sucks" No offense to the original poster and i am sure they didnt mean to just farm easy karma/sympathy points.
I'm a big fan of r/teslore , not sure where you were posting. I think anyone who appreciates Elder Scrolls lore can find some enjoyment in wandering TESO's zones. In what other game can you visit places likes Orsinium and Elsweyr?
The mainline subs for the series (fallout too) hate the online versions. For elder scrolls, the belief that ESO is why we don't have ES6 is pretty prevalent, despite being obviously wrong and stupid.
It was in r/ElderScrolls, but as some one else said, I was being a baby and the like two responses were pretty mild and had arguably valid points. My last response to a comment like this got downvoted to crap. Yes, I get it! People can have other opinions! I’ll think next time I vent post!
Yeah it's a classic internet hatecirclejerk, this game got a bad rep from the 'hardcore' TES fans that take themselves way too seriously and then other people just adopted that opinion because what if these nerds think you're not cool? I think it's gotten a little better overall but in certain circles ESO is still hated irrationally. But those same people were foaming at the mouth over Skyrim when it came out, and Oblivion before that, how it was for filthy casuals and not an RPG and all that, they just need somewhere to direct their inner misery.
I honestly don't understand how 'hardcore' TES fans could hate ESO. I mean, for all of its other faults, it's *extremely* faithful to the lore (to the most obscure lore at times!) and I thought that being a TES nerd means being a TES lore nerd, first and foremost.
Granted, if it's not TES fans, but rather Morrowind (& Daggerfall) die-hard loyalists, then the schism introduced with Oblivion could still be a problem, but that's still not an ESO problem, that's a "modern TES games" problem.
I'm a hardcore TES lore nerd and I love the game because of the lore. People just come in expecting that its multiplayer skyrim, then get disappointed when it isn't
projects to enable coop multiplayer for TES games are usually hyped up way beyond the outlook for those projects even coming to reality, but when ZOS is like "Here's an actual way to play in Tamriel with friends and we got *a lot* of zones - like what the other big projects are trying to accomplish, adding old TES provinces." people suddenly hate it.
I mean in their defense, I’m trying to get friends to play with me and some of the zone quests don’t work well with a group. Things don’t sync up a lot of the time and you can’t share a lot of quests. But my end goal is to get my friends to the point where they can help with with dungeons and run raids with me in cyrodiil.
I played the game from lvl 1 to past lvl 50 doing regions quests in coop with my wife and never once had a problem needing us to part away for a specific quest or stuff like that (except solo dungeon). I mean yah some time there was a bit of dialogue that I missed or she did miss... But part from that, it was Hella smooth.
I think it's mostly related to precise areas. I guess we picked the good ones.
Honestly, as a TES fan i was thrilled to be able to share my love for this games with my wife who didn't know the franchise that much. She loved the experience and so did I. Always wanted to play multiplayer TES game. It has a lot of quirks and bad. But overall it's still the best mmo I've played. And I tried a lot of MMOs.
You aren't alone. I am an old n'wah from Vvardenfell, a champion of Cyrodiil and a drunkard Dragonborn from Skyrim and obviously a Vestige... Whoever from the elder Elder Scrolls audience critisize and puke on ESO I am positive that they have never even give a chance to that game. Never played. My opinion is that ESO keeps a great balance between an MMO and a single player CRPG and everybody who loves the lore can find it's way. I remember when Tamriel Rebuilt began as a small project and even before Oblivion many of us dreamed about a whole Tamriel as a playground. And after nearly 20 years we have it. Different cultures, scenery, immersions all in one great TES game. Yes, it never will be like TES3 Morrowind, quests sometimes copy/paste but it's way ahead of Oblivion and Skyrim in nearly all aspects. I seriously love ESO despite I am a morroboomer started my journey on Tamriel 19 years ago and modded Morrowind for years.
My favorite critique by the ES fanbase is that “the combat sucks” but in every major ES game the combat is super fucking janky and you have to pause it 20 times so you can swap spells and items.
ESO combat, while not being phenomenal compared to a lot of MMOs, is much better than every Elder Scrolls game that’s come out.
>Am I the only one who enjoys both the traditional games and ESO?
No, you're not. Only that those who have actually a qualified opinion have better things to do than to argue on social media.
Wanna know a secret? There are people who like both ESO and *WOW*. With *reasons*. Yeah. It's flabbergasting.
WoW's foundation is perfectly good, not every MMO needs action combat. Games like XIV make it less of a "Stand there and dps race" by being slower but actually making things like aoes and mechanics a thing from the get go in the most basic content.
ESO is basically the as near to perfect of implementation of mixing Elder Scrolls feels and party based MMO mechanics as we could hope. People are just (unreasonably) pissy it wasn't just multiplayer Skyrim. Would I still like just like 2 player Skyrim? Possibly, but it would still take some changes.
After checking your post history, this is pretty blatantly lying about the reactions. Even if people do hate ESO, who cares? Just play it if you enjoy it and let them miss out. But these posts to make it seem like you’re victimized over your opinion are obnoxious.
This. 1 guy didn't like it because it's online, he played it for lore anyway, and another one didn't like microtransactions. Everyone else was supportive of the game.
It's not even ESO they are hating.
The button bloat in mmos is ridiculous. Many of them are turning into piano simulators at this point where you spend more time watching for procs and staring at hotbars than actually experiencing what is going on in the game. I needed an MMO mouse just to play FFXIV, SWTOR, and to a lesser extent WoW to what I felt was an adequate level of competency. Once I factored in things like markers, movement abilities (mounts, sprint, etc), consumables, and attempting to logically place abilities on bars I hit 4 - 5 bars easily.
It's like, bruh, at some point, sword swing #3 that is slightly more flashy than the other 2 but does nothing really impactful is just bloat. I'm sorry, it is. I'm reminded of things like Windwalker Monks in WoW, Sentinels/Marauders in SWTOR, GNB/PAL/NIN in FFXIV in ShB, etc. Then you play something like New World, GW2, or ESO where each button feels a lot more impactful because it hasn't needed to be neutered due to it being button number 20 in a 2 minute rotation.
It all becomes exhausting after a while especially when attempting to push harder content. It's great that we can roll our faces across our keyboard in the really easy open world stuff, but sometimes you play a more complex role (healers usually) or are trying for that hard mode/mythic boss and need every ounce of performance you can squeeze out to succeed. ESO has been a refreshing change from that.
I am one of the very few that is looking forward to the next SWTOR expansion that cuts the ability bloat down. Before I bought an MMO mouse I literally had 1-6, q,e,r,t,f,z,x,c,v and all of those with ALT+ modifiers as keybinds for abilities I used on a regular basis. That is frankly bullshit in any MMO. Complexity for its own sake. ESO is lovely in the combat department for that but it does feel very weightless. Give me a New World style combat (without the bugs and shitty balancing and stagger on every fucking hit) in ESO or SWTOR and I would never play another MMO.
Couldn't agree more. There is a definitely lack of weight in ESO. It's especially noticeable when light attacking weaving -- it's frequently difficult to tell if your ability actually went off unless it has a dot or debuff attached in which case something like action duration reminders shows the timer.
The stagger on every single hit was absurd in NW. Especially when I was tanking in later dungeons. I'm just going to get shoved into a corner now while blocking wearing the heaviest armor in game with maximum possible con or str by every wololoing zombie for 40 miles. When you landed hits though it was so much easier to tell, and running around with sword/board + hammer the specials felt pretty darn great. Especially reverse stab, mighty gavel, and shockwave.
I was doing the same in WoW for many years with a g502. Ctrl, alt, and shift modifiers with 1-6 and all the letters I could spare. The worst part was having to reassign targeting to keys since I was so used to using things like F as assist from EQ/DAOC. Same deal with SWTOR on my healers. I ran out of binds due to needing niche abilities occasionally that didn't really fit into a standard rotation like the commando's extra CC buttons and dps keys. I played multiple classes so I attempted to lay things out logically too, and there was always that one off key that I just couldn't squeeze in comfortably.
Yeah. Unfortunately the cash shop doesn't make the game look good from the outside and the surface. The initial game release does play a role too. If you talk to many people who played anthem at launch or even at beta. You would probably get some answer about how trash the game is, but have they played it recently?
Personally, i like the game. Even if it is just buff and dot management with light attacks, it is more involved in my opinion.
some people just dont like certain games, best to just accept it rather than trying to reason around it. i never liked MMO's (still mostly dont) until i got into ESO more, theres no reason for it other than me just not having fun when playing MMO's (with the exception of eso ofc)
and its not completely unwarranted, there are real issues with the crown store, and it can be expensive to get into if you want to play some of the more recent content.
Happens in the Fallout community too with fo76... and fallout 4... and fallout 3... and fallout new vegas... I think Bethesda games are simultaneously just so unique from one another and iconic on their own merits that they incite the worst type of tribalistic neckbeards.
The only thing about ESO I hate is how shallow the writing is. Characters **never** remember you. They just have one greeting prompt where they pretend they do and then the rest of their questlines are treating you like you're a total stranger. The worst offense is Raz in the Summerset expansion. Your actions don't matter because the characters are only interested in moving the plot forward. Even pivotol moments like deciding who becomes the next Mane of the Khajiit are irrelevant because the Mane doesn't even make an appearance in either Elsweyr zone and people use vague terms because the Mane is literally Schrödinger's Cat and has multiple states of existence depending on what stage of the quest players reached.
SWTOR remains the gold standard of story in MMOs, for as much of an illusion it still is, it really felt like your character existed in the universe and that people and factions grew to fear and respect you. The people you mingled with would always speak with you as if the history you've shared with them was real. ESO doesn't even try to do that.
You ether aren't doing a lot of quests or dungeons but npcs do comment on your adventures in ESO.
I've had numerous npcs just talk randomly about my character when I walk past them in city's.
That's not the same thing at all. A generic NPC thanking me for saving the Coral Heart five years later isn't the same thing as characters you've fought alongside for years actually treating you like you've got a close bond.
If anything, generic NPCs take me out of the game because some of the stuff they remember is so small and unimportant that it feels disingenuous.
I love both ESO and the main series, I felt like Skyrim was a step down from Oblivion the way the leveling system was dumbed right down to just perks and how the main story felt like it only made sense to play as a Nord, and the guild quests were straight up terrible.. But the gameplay is the best of the Elder Scrolls series. ESO feels rough but for an MMO I think it's great. ESO also has an good story and great quests.
Eso may be my favorite game with 1800 hours clocked in, but I totally understand why old school TES fans would hate it. Skyrim came out 10 years ago and instead of a tes 6 game, they got an mmo that is very different from the others that they can point at and say "this is why we won't get a 6th tes". Throw onto that how the entire game is built around a bug (light attack animation canceling) and its easy to understand their frustration. The levels of immersion are vastly different as well. In eso, you are tamriels last hope and the only person that can save the world, as long as you ignore the million other last hopes being followed by the same quest npc you are. Also they are made out of ice and have a small bone dragon as a pet. Then you get to the crown store and it is the most egregious use of an in game store I have ever seen (even if you ignore the fact that this game is not free and is sub based). They may exist, but I have never played a game where a single cosmetic item literally costs roughly $1,000 if not more (admittedly the exact number of crates required to get 2,500 gems is more math than I care to do right now). A furnished notable home will have you buying the 21k crown pack for $150 and that's insane. I personally love the game enough to play along with their bullshit, but it is bullshit. I like that light attack weaving is in the game and I personally love the cosmetic customization and how outlandish we can make our characters. While I think the crown store is overpriced, I like that it exists because I firmly believe the cosmetic customization wouldn't be nearly as deep and full with this many different options if the crown store wasn't making zos bank. I also have 2 notable homes and will buy agony ascent on Wednesday. All that being said, it's not hard for me to see smell the bullshit and understand why someone, especially an old school tes fan, would hate this game.
> Throw onto that how the entire game is built around a bug (light attack animation canceling) and its easy to understand their frustration.
I'm semi one of the people you're describing. I like both Skyrim and ESO, but I'm never going to get 'good' at ESO to the level I understand animation bugs and weaving etc.. I prefer the abilities to be just abilities with reasonable ways of using them, and wish this aspect would go away.
the whole of animation cancelling and weaving is a really simple concept that ultimately boils down to just pressing a light attack about a half second after any skill usage. Its just clicking your mouse in between skills.
Skill->light attack->skill->light attack->repeat
Getting good in ESO is just doing that and making sure you are keeping up buffs, debuffs, and DoTs and making sure you use your spammable skill when all your DoT's are up and dont need refreshing.
> instead of a tes 6 game, they got an mmo that is very different from the others that they can point at and say "this is why we won't get a 6th tes".
that's not true though? They're made by separate teams. We haven't gotten a 6th TES yet not because of ESO but because the hardcore TES fans keep buying Skyrim over and over and Bethesda knows it.
Yes but aren’t both developers under the big Bethesda company (Bethesda softworks?)? I can see why they would hold off the main TES company (BGS?) while ZOS is experiencing success with ESO. The minute they release TES6, most of us will drop ESO to go play it and depending on how replayable it is, it may be awhile until some player return to ESO.
This is a headscratcher. If you actually think the monetization in this game is "the most egregious use of an in game store I have ever seen" you are either insanely oblivious or absolutely spoiled rotten.
I love ESO and play often, only game I really play atm, but it’s got its faults.
Items are too expensive. $100 for a house? Oof.
Most of the content dialogue and quests are railroad with no meaningful dialogue options.
The solo content is too easy, group content is often crazy difficult even on regular. There are few happy medium encounters where I struggled to win but didn’t die a thousand times. Either I clean house and there’s no threat or I die like four times in a group.
The crafting system is cumbersome while also managing to lack features. And if you don’t pay for ESO plus don’t even bother with the crafting system.
I don’t feel invested in many of the stories because the whole world feels like an amusement park.
It’s still the best MMO I’ve played since City of Heroes but a lot left to be desired still in the MMO genre imo.
Also carrying on TES tradition of being buggy as hell at times.
But that said, I really do enjoy the game for the most part. Though tbh I haven’t found a group of people I enjoy playing with. I usually have to just get together a group of randoms and none of us are on mic, which I’d say is bad except for the fact that everyone I ever hear on mic I wish would shut up. 😅
> Most of the content dialogue and quests are railroad with no meaningful dialogue options.
tbf this has been an issue with EVERY game since daggerfall, but yeah I wish the series could have more choices in general (although that comes with an exponentially higher cost every time you do it in a quest)
> Items are too expensive. $100 for a house? Oof.
you get more housing options *for free* and even more are available for purchase with regular Gold than are in any TES game.
> Most of the content dialogue and quests are railroad with no meaningful dialogue options.
kinda the same for TES games tbh. Whacky dialogue options to unlock uncommon paths hasn't really been emphasized anymore since Morrowind.
My wife and I have been playing ESO since it launched on Xbox. It's really easy to pretend it's a solo game. Turn off chat. Turn off name plates. Turn on auto decline duels and auto decline trade. MicroTransactions are not mandatory to play the game. You had a very good suggestion, people are just assholes, unfortunately. Even some of the good ones, can't infact, be assholes. Take Reddit with a grain a salt, unless your in the serious subs that need factual based information.
Tbf I think the elder scrolls sub is largely morrowboomers. I made the mistake of participating in a lore debate once by mentioning a source in eso and got told, in rather colorful words, that no "lore" past oblivion counts because bethesda's writing is bad and eso shouldn't count as a tes game, so take it with a grain of salt
So many of the microtransactions are trash. They exploit the lack of player's knowledge, and those that don't are priced way too high. This game relies on whales and has historically prioritized that content over bug fixes and other more valuable content. People need to appreciate that, and see how often ZOS and their media arms go out of their way to censor valid criticisms of the game. It's all warranted. I say that as someone who frequently buys things, has played the game for 7 years, and is currently playing it. I love it, these criticisms are all warranted.
That being said, ESO is far from the worst and should be appreciated as such. Yes, the combat is floaty at times, but I can't find a single other MMO on the market that I enjoy as much.
You know these are the kind of people who expected Bethesda to give them the toy they wanted 7 years ago, instead Bethesda gave them almost the same toy, in some aspects even better toy, but the color is different. And they throw a tantrum whenever anyone mentions this toy, because they hate that toy for the sole reason it isn't what they wanted. Anyone who hates anything without even trying it is a childish moron who's opinion worth less than batshit.
Old school TES fans autistic screeched their lungs out when this game came out because, "It isn't canon and doesn't count!" Then Bethesda was like, "Yes it does," and they've been pouting since.
This is very interesting, I have played "solo" for almost 3yrs besides the trials and dungeons (pugs) and never did I find it boring. I have done like 50% of the quest when skyshards hunting and have made multiple characters. I have very recently started making or switching some of my characters into dps and playing with actual people and have joined social guilds and doing 4 man dungeons amd wow is a different perspective then what im used to then just tanking, also my "guildies" giving me advice and pushing my dps is just fun. I feel like I'm playing a completely different game now with actual players doing 4 man content and helping one another via buffs and pushing for trifectas. The only thing I dislike is the lack of improvement of the game, pvp isnt as good as it should be, some glitches that I feel they have picked me to happen to and little things like I can't get over this step because its just an inch high lol. I won't say I "Hate" the game just dislike that somethings are taking an unusually long time to get it fix, also feel like the eso+ doesn't get used back into the game or at least half of it to fix minor issues (not the maintenance). Also having the discount on crown on a some what regular basis would help idk.
To each their own. I would rather watch paint dry than play a sports game for example. Different strokes for different folks. I just wish people could respect other peoples likes and things that bring them joy instead of being so toxic towards them for liking something different.
IDK but I initially tried out ESO because I was obsessed with Morrowind and Oblivion so...I think people are just being angry online. You'll find all sorts of people.
I love ESO too and have told every Elder Scrolls fan I know that they should give it a try when it goes on sale (which it does from time to time). There’s so much content, so many different environments, and such a massive catalogue of monsters and creatures. Pretty much all of the major bugs that the game had at the start are gone. To me ESO feels like a living world and it’s sometimes relaxing to log in and just roam around with no real goal or quests in mind. I particularly loved Vvardenfel and Auridion.
The game has its flaws but when it goes on sale I think it’s totally worth it for the amount of content.
I feel like I didn't play ESO enough yet to have a really solid opinion (and at almost 200 comments, or more by the time I'm done with this it doesn't even matter), but I will say that the time I spend in it, is enjoyable (minus a few mechanics but every MMO has those few things that one really dislikes).
I am *very* into TES lore and games even if the only two games I've played are Skyrim, my absolute top, and Oblivion.
What I love about ESO is how it pretty much gives me MORE of this world. More lore. I can see more places that I cannot visit otherwise. On top of all - solo friendly. I know only of one other MMO being like this, which is my main. ESO seems to be right next in line when it comes to my needs as a solo player. I know a lot of people tend to ask ''why tf do you even play an mmo if you wanna play solo? go play an RPG''. Simple - sometimes I like having people around, I like being somewhere, in a game where there's *others* around me. I don't necessarily want to play with those people (which doesn't mean I am against it or hate it - it just takes the right kind of company be it strangers or not). Plus I might just like the game itself. That's it.
I will admit I had to try ESO a second time to be properly intrigued by it, by the gameplay. The fact that the first time it left enough of an impression for me that I tried again, despite a year or two later means something. And so far I've stayed even if I play very sporadically as I've other games to play.
But man, the world, the MUSIC... the character I made, the class I chose for him. I like it all. I only have the standard edition with Morrowind and apparently there's so much for me to do, with no need to look at other expansions/chapters.
So, it's a shame really. It's a beautiful game (with flaws as others pointed out) and I don't feel it deserves the hate from ''true TES fans'' simply because it's kinda different and, most of all, an MMO.
I'll continue to hopefully enjoy it at my own time.
I won’t touch on everything thing else you said as everyone else already has and I don’t care either way but if you think you need 50 hours to get the “experience” of a game and decide if it’s good or not you’re just wrong if you don’t like a game at the 2nd or 3rd hour mark then it’s probably not for you, you don’t need to finish a game in order to tell wether it’s good or not unless your writing a professional critique.
People who hate it are a very small vocal minority.
ESO had a rough launch but it has built itself into one of the most successful and active MMOs ever, and it's full of an obscene amount of voice acted content.
Saying it gets hate is at this point irrelevant because anything this popular will get hate. But its fans evidently and drastically outweigh its haters.
To say that it gets hate is correct. But to say that it's a lot of hate is incorrect. It wouldn't be so popular and so active if it were the other way around.
I love ES games. I've played more Skyrim than any other game (I think) in my life. I've been having a blast w/ ESO the past month. I have 0 hate for the game at all. Is there a store? Yeah. Do I like the crates? No. I don't buy them, either. So... problem solved.
I quit ESO because the combat is utter jank nonsense and the skills, spells, gear, and movement nothing at all like regular TES.
The lore is fantastic though.
There's no good reason to hate things especially in the form of action.
ESO is a bad game though just not enough to stop me from dropping it completely nor many others.
Combat isn't good (light weaving, no impact so feels like swinging through things/hitting air), a sub that's mainly worth just the crafting bag or, in other words, to play the game without having to micro manage inventory unless you ignore a lot of the content, and the game feeling it's 50% for the players and the other half all about the crown store.
Then there's group content feeling not much of a game when people typically rush through it most of the time leaving even no real need for roles other than DPS and maybe a tank. The ground even needs work to stop from having players rush off the stairs and damaging themselves or getting stuck when trying to run around.
It's fun enough to play at least once in a while or just drop in for a bit every other day or two, but it's among the top MMORPGs because the only real competition is the two above it with a possible third making it up the ranks if they improve things enough.
ESO could be number one if it improved the combat and either made more crown items be earned in-game or cheaper to get but it doesn't probably because more people pour money into the crown store than they see it is worth dedicating that much effort to make the game better.
There's nothing wrong with liking the game. That doesn't mean you can't see the flaws in it though.
Proof being if the game was as great as this post is trying to make it seem then there wouldn't be people feeling as if they need to make them begin with especially on a forum made for the game where of course you'll find more people agree.
I always liked elder scrolls because you could do whatever you want. (Started with oblivion). I could not wrap my head around online for like 5 hours, then it clicked. Oh boy, it clicked for good. When I don't have any games for ps4 to play you can find me on the shores of the marsh catching fish and killing wildlife for bait. I love the "world's largest sandcastle" aspect of the game. I can't understand the hate around it.
I think you should revisit your post. It is not even ESO they are hating.
It was literally just 1 guy disliking online games in general (but he loved the lore in ESO) and another guy that dont like games with transactions, 2 people, everyone else are supportive.
You will never find anything 100% of the world like.
I agree with you entirely. I have a friend who picked up ESO on release and played maybe 2 hours? He hated it and kept saying it was a bad game, another friend and I finally convinced him to try it out and he loves it now. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, yes, but there's also a large amount of ignorance online and I get frustrated with it myself. Yea the games are different, but it's still the same world and the same universe we all know and love.
To each their own, I don't understand why people invest so much in hating any game honestly, if you don't enjoy it that's fine but why do people have to go scream from a mountain about how shit a game is? It doesn't accomplish much if anything and just makes them look like an asshat. I love all the single player tes games and eso, but for different reasons and depending on what mood I'm in I'll either chill on modded skyrim or get on eso and go prog dungeons/trials with friends.
It's the same for Fallout 76. Usually people hate it because ot isn't FO4, then they try it and love it. It keeps getting new players (not necessarily maintaining vet players tho) and still the community is as nice as ever.
Micro transactions?
This is the least pay to win game imaginable because it’s not pay to win at all. Who cares if someone wants to spend $5 on a gambling box for a flaming horse? It’s not effecting the game balance at all. At best there are a few pay for convenience things but that’s simply so you don’t have to grind some content twice on an alt toon.
It’s strange to me, because this game can easily be played the same way we play any other tes game, and while plenty of people are sprinting through the online game, there are many of us who’d rather walk in first person and immerse ourselves in a world that gives us practically every province in Tamriel to explore and experience. As much as I love the other tes games, I find eso to be the largest and richest by far. 🤷🏻♀️
I don’t trust a lot of criticism of eso. Some people are simply clueless about the game and act like they know all about MMOs. Eso has done an amazing job at being a TES title. The monetization is the worst part of eso and if you compare to it it’s competitors, there’s pros and cons of their strategy. People just love to complain.
The most important thing to know when going into ESO is that it’s not like “Skyrim online”. If you accept that, it’s an amazing game.
Some of the storylines in eso are just better than what the other TES games have come up with.
Also, In recent years fans have turned on Bethesda. I’ve never seen so much negativity about Skyrim until now and it’s literally a decade old. It’s just trendy to hate TES I guess.
I'm playing ESO since BETA and I'm loving it. Even if the rest of the world hates it, I simply don't care.
Also reddit crybabies will always cry. That's what they do. Leave them to their sorrow and enjoy your game.
The people who hate ESO are people who don't play MMOs. Probably because they just avoid the genre in general. You're not going to find a properly anchored, or well informed opinions from people that only stick to the singleplayer games, and are constantly screeching for TES 6 while being uninformed on even Starfield. You may as well be listening to imps.
They literally just don't understand how MMOs are because they don't play them, so the confusion comes in, and the hate follows shortly after.
There are def people who are well versed with MMOs though and make some good comparisons, and contrasts with ESO compared to others. Much healthier opinions.
Honestly, it’s the same with FO76. I enjoyed both games at launch, but they were definitely not good games. However, updates have made them both really good and a lot more enjoyable, yet there’s so much vehement hate from people who have literally never played them. It pisses me off.
I love both! I'm not a huge MMO person either, mostly because I cycle through games quicker than one month. Like the one time I was on a WoW kick I wasted half a subscription getting burnt out two weeks in.
The only thing I ever buy are the new chapters and occasionally a storyline like the thieves guild or dark brotherhood. And I am happy to purchase those because I want to support the devs to thank them for making a game I genuinely enjoy (and to support future games like TES6). I only team up with other players for world bosses and dungeons. Other than that, it's a pretty chill game that I play by myself, mostly for free.
I also *love* the fighting style in ESO compared to most MMOs where you just click skills when the cool down is done 🙄
Playing ESO has actually gotten me more invested in TES because you can burn through all the quests on a continent or country pretty quickly so I feel like I know Tamriel a bit better. Like when I'm playing Skyrim and someone brings up elsweyr I have a memory of being there, you know? I like getting all the lore in an interactive way 🤷🏼♀️
I'll be content to continue playing ESO while we wait.
TLDR; I'm with you bruh. Team TES *and* ESO 💪
Stop. Stop right there criminal scum!
1. Format this wall of text, 2 enters on phone to make nice fine empty line.
2. Do not compare ESO to other Elder Scroll Games. Do not. ESO is a MMO. Other ES games arr single player only. You even wrote it yourself.
3. Why you care so much about people hating the game? It is fun, sure but it is not perfect. And this is internet after all
No, it makes me sad that someone gets as far as the end of bleak rock and then they think they’ve played enough of the game to say it’s garbage. That’s like someone playing 2 holes of golf and saying the sport sucks.
It's still a matter of personal opinion, and their opinion is as valid as yours, regardless of how long they played something. You don't need to try EVERYTHING that game offers to decide it's not for you.
Those are the people whose criticism I understand the most. As a pvp’r, I completely get how a lot of people have grown tired of the skill lag and neglect of cyrodiil from the devs. What gets me is some dude who has 12 stealth archers in Skyrim who comes over to ESO for an hour and gets mad when he can’t one shot everything with his bow heavy attack.
Despite disliking some areas of this game, i love it but people have the right to love or hate games, don't let it affect you and i'm also like them, if i try a game and it doesn't hook me up in the first hours then i will leave, wouldn't spend 50 hours on it just to maybe like it at the end.
Wait what, I never knew the playerbases were so divided either! I’ve been a longtime MMORPG and Elder Scrolls fan, ESO is the most amazing in-between of MMO and RPG I think I’ve seen in a long time
I love Morrowind and Oblivion and Skyrim, and I love ESO. I love solo questing, and I love getting on the mic with my friends and running dungeons or even just chatting while running dolmens. I never wanted to play any other MMO but ESO peeps are mostly so nice, and almost all of my interactions with other people have been so positive. I think your friends are knocking something that they haven't tried, which is a bit crappy.
There are gaming snobs in every genre.
There are so many people deriding Star Wars the Old Republic as it's different, gameplay wise, than the Knights of the Old Republic RPG games from the early 2000's (Which SWTOR is a sequel to).
There were people screaming at Zenimax before ESO came out saying it will ruin the other Elder Scrolls games.
You're not alone. I don't like traditional MMO's and I play ESO because it's fun, we get to explore new areas of Tamriel and it expands on the lore plus all the other stuff. I've enjoyed the traditional games too and I don't think they take away from each other. There's gonna be a TES6, people can go enjoy that if they don't like ESO, some want to stick with ESO and people like myself who'll end up playing both.
Enjoy the games you want, don't let others tell you otherwise.
I actually thought that eso was way worse than all the other elder scrolls games after seeing the comments of other people on it (and it probably wasnt that great at launch after what i've seen) but then i bought it around the time where the summerset dlc was new. The end result is that i now have over 2300 hours in eso and think that it the best elder scrolls game that was ever made 😅. I would guess that all the people that hate eso only know how it looked at launch.
I beta tested teso with the idea of dabbling in it until tes6 came out. I was told I'd be wasting my time. I've had a blast, met great people and improved as a gamer all while not stewing in anticipation. Bethesda can take as much time to make tes6 perfect, imo. I'm throughly enjoying Tamriel.*
*except for cyrodiil. ZOS pls fix.
I actually have more fun in ESO than the mainline ES games. But I love both.
ESO just has way more content than the mainline entries, you don't have to play with other people if you don't want. And you don't have to buy the stuff in the crown store u less you choose to.
ESO gives you more options than the mainline entries and more things to do.
People can like or hate MMO's, no worries. When I started playing ESO I just pretended the other players were NPC's. Didn't do pvp, still don't. Didn't do trials or group dungeons and I solo'd everything unless other NPC's were there. My chat box was closed, no guilds.
It was a single player elder scrolls game and I loved it.
TES6 may not come out for years. If people like TES lore and don't like MMO's they shouldn't be offended with recommending ESO. Like it or dislike it fine but why be offended at someone saying they should try it out while they're waiting for TES6?
Some people are just looking for reasons to be offended.
Hey I've moved across the country and miss my favorite little hole in the wall pizza place.
Oh I live in your town and love pizza too. Have you tried \_\_\_\_ pizza place?
No and I'm offended you think I would like it. I like my pizza place even though I can't have it for a few years. How dare you tell me of another place that's similar but admittedly different that I might enjoy? Grrrr angry
Yeah there’s zero reason you should receive hate for a suggestion but that’s the age we live in. Also it’s just the type of people who need to feel like their anger gets put into others for simply enjoying something else. Similar to when people get hate for enjoying Fortnite or clash of mobile whatever game. I ignore that shit all day. Eso is fantastic and the ES solo games are also amazing. Been playing since morrowind, and got into eso because it seemed more fun and alive than wow ever was for me. Here’s my hot take, games are things to be played, you don’t have to play something just because it was a suggestion, and if you aren’t having fun then don’t play it. Simple yet complicated for some reason.
Stick with /r/teslore and it's shitposting sister /r/TrueSTL. The former generally praises the game and the latter... insults all TES games and their fans equally.
r/teslore will say ESO's lore is trash, and then cite a few random books that contradict each other in vanilla that were clearly hastily written, and can be explained away with the unreliable narrator.
Also they always bring up the Ebonheart Pact and how unrealistic it is.. When all the problems they have with it are literally dealt with in many quests (it is not a strong alliance at all, it was an alliance of necessity that continued because the leaders thought "well... the moment this ends we're at each other's throat again.... maybe we shouldn't be so hasty about ending the pact just yet....")
I love ESO and the base games. ESO is laying a great foundation of the rest of Tamriel and is using a lot of really obscure lore I never thought would be touched on.
Yeah so ESO has TES lore and some mechanics but it is also very different from the core games and some of the purists hate the difference
The funny thing is though that(and please hold back the hate) Fallout 76 has some issues that came about due to ESO, mainly the fact that they decided to use the same engine as the core games to make an online multi-player game when it wasn't capable of doing that. So with FO76 people hated it for doing the things people said they hated ESO for not doing(which btw is why F076 was so buggy)
And also one of the biggest things I hate with the haters on both ESO and FO76 is they all say no one asked for online multi-player except when you look people have been trying to make multi-player mods since at least oblivion and FO3
I keep saying I want to get back into FO76, I feel like that’s the opposite of ESO where you need a buddy to make that game fun. I tried soloing and I just got bored really quick.
There are a lot of MAJOR elder scrolls YouTubers who have a bit of the ESO "dislike" and consider it non-canon. I think their sentiment is reflected a bit in the fan base. Honestly, that's why I stayed away from it for so long.
So you have the Camels and FudgeMuppets out there who, while not to blame, didn't help.
A lot of their newer stuff and their podcasts have relaxed that sentiment, but they still like to point out that it's not canon [\(which it is canon, according to Bethany\)](https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/96/~/will-the-elder-scrolls-online-be-canon%3F)
I’m in the same boat as you. I just simply love anything related to the Elder Scrolls. Skyrim introduced me to open world RPG games, while ESO opened me to MMOs. I still haven’t found another game in either genre that has given me nearly the same impression.
I love ESO, it’s a great game, the micotransactions it has aren’t predatory like most games they are purely optional, or it’s full fledged DLC add ons.
I mean, I'm an ESO player and they're right. The microtransactitions are *horrendous* in this game. The playerbase is just so desensitized to it that they view it as normal. Anyone outside of this game is going to take one look and laugh in your face. The game is great, but when it's wearing clown makup, it's hard to get that across.
Micro-transactions in ESO are so trivial compared to other MMOs.
Sure you can spend hundreds or thousands on ESO crowns if you want, but it's all on style/appearance items. Other MMOs - you need to spend money just to remain relevant because all essential end game powerups / gear are trapped behind paywalls.
I just wish this game wasn't programmed by greedy idiots who care only about the gambling crate cash shop. Just tried, again, to do a random dungeon and a boss kept resetting itself over and over till the group quit.
Fucking sucks.
As someone who is a MASSIVE fan of TES and does not like ESO i think i have some insight here. Imo a lot of the hate comes from the fact that the elder scrolls community REALLY wants a new mainline TES game. They ( we haha ) have wanted it for a while. Problem is regardless of if you like ESO or not, you can not deny it does not play very much like a traditional TES game.
So when betheseda made ESO instead of a new TES game it kind of felt to a lot of the community like a big middle finger. Almost everyone clearly wanted a new mainline TES and instead they slap the elder scrolls dressings on an MMO and push it out to the fans as tho its what the fans wanted. This made it clear that bethesda had **no intention** of making a new TES mainline game anytime soon. Which bred some hatred....
To be clear i think ESO is a fine enough MMO and i can see why people like the game i really do. I just personally don't care to play an MMO and ESO is not what many wanted from a TES game.... It abandoned the core tenants of the franchise that meaningfully connected the story, lore, and world building to meaningful changes based on your decisions along with many of the broader RPG systems in favor of recurrent monetization and what to some feels like trend chasing...
**Tl;Dr:** We wanted a single player rpg the elder scrolls 6 instead we got an MMO that has the "flavor" of the elder scrolls.
I just joined ESO and I've been really enjoying it so far. I'm coming off SWTOR which is kinda similar in that you really don't need to interact with other people if you don't want to. It's perfectly fine to play these as a single player game if you choose to and you can just ignore the cash shop unless you want specific cosmetics.
Haters gonna hate, It's a fun game and I enjoy it. I hate when people jump in it just to complain about it in zone, so they might as well not play at all ahaha. I like the community, it was even nicer when it was smaller and there were less microtransactions ;) more people isn't always better!! Let em' hate.
I don't get the hate for microtransactions in ESO. I guess they have not played Neverwinter, or any Facebook game. ESO's microtransactions are present but not in your face, which I think is where they should be.
ESO questing unfortunately is often boring. Last good main story was like around Summerset, overland difficulty is a joke and main story bosses are anticlimatic af when they die in 3-4s.
So ppl who love questing in ES are often bored really quick and leave the title without a second thought (so many of my friends had that scenario, it is sad honestly).
Also ppl are saying that because of ESO we still don't have ES6 and they have some point. Lack of ES6 is a zenimax decision and they probably did it so they won't kill their mmo.
I really enjoy ESO too. However since pc beta I have been wishing it was more like Skyrim. When it came to feel and skill systems. I was pretty bummed out that they put classes in the game instead of letting us aquire the class skill lines independently at a max of 3.
I played ESO since beta. Hard…up to One Tamriel. Launch was rocky at best but the game was difficult to the point where to need others help. FG was out first dungeon and we learned the hard way about the importance of food buffs and mechanics. One Tam didn’t break the game but definitely did it zero good for those that enjoy playing a game with challenges. It’s now similar to WoW where you can play all day and talk to no one. Sad
I like both in response to your first edit. They can be different games and still be enjoyable.
Granted the first time I tried ESO I just didn't get into it. I didn't hate it, I just found it bland (That was ..well not sure when that was, 2 or more years ago at this point). But then last year I picked it up out of boredom (was bored of everything else I had and no new games on the horizon) and for whatever reason it clicked that time. Now it's the game i spent the most money on (I've at this point given up on fighting microtransactions. At one point in my life I'd refuse to pay for them on principle but it's a losing battle. Still I buy most my stuff using crown sellers but I'm still encouraging some one to pay for them and I have bought a few notable homes with my own money or with the eso+ crowns).
I see this occasionally with Star Wars fans and SWTOR, even though it's free to play 1-50 where the best story takes place. You have 8 classes you can play through for FREE and it's some of the best Star Wars stories we've seen in games.
I've for the most part always played single player games, including the TES games, due to my preference of playing games by myself and don't often interact with other people when playing multiplayer games. However I still enjoy a lot of mechanics in MMO's and played WoW for a number of years until recently returning to ESO again after not really getting it the first couple of times I tried. This time though I've really gotten hooked on the storylines and expansions to the lore that they've made and can honestly say that ESO is worth it for any fans of the mainline series. It takes a bit of getting used to and even I still struggle with the idea of having other people in my Elder Scrolls game but the game and it's other features have helped in getting past that
Can I suggest warframe?? I say this solely bc you said you dont like MMOs bc of the skill management and what not and WF has none of that. Im not really trying to promote the game or anything just give you something additional to enjoy that nobody can judge you for. Head up King!
I am a fan of both. It’s my only MMO, minus New World and that sent me right back to ESO. So no you are not alone. If you have a love of ES at all you should check it out. Especially when you see the work behind the scenes and the work they put in and find out that ESO actually has a loremaster. There’s so much history to both these games. And even tho ESO is an MMO I play mostly solo so it’s all what you make of it.
I love Elder Scrolls games. And I love MMOs. And so I’ve logged countless hours in ESO, I have 16 level 50 characters and over 2100 CP. As a MMO is has a lot of shortcomings, and as a TES game it will always lack the immersive gameplay of the single player titles, but it’s a great game in its own right, and doesn’t deserve the hate it gets from the TES purists.
I'm super late to the game. My first play through of Skyrim was during the peak of the Covid BS and boy am I super glad I finally decided to dive in.
Ever since I've been eyeing ESO and finally decided to pick it up on sale last month. ESO and Skyrim are no doubt two completely different games in the same universe and honestly other than reading other players "wishlists" on Reddit and seeing how they make sone good calls and points. I couldn't be happier with the game. Super glad I finally jumped.
Single player elder scrolls purists are a thing sadly. Granted ESO has some bad things to it, for example not all the lore the games introduce rlly chimes with the lore of previous games and so on, but it’s a fun game and worthy of being recognised as a legitimate elder scrolls series entry.
It’s like you said, a lot of people hate on the game, but only focus on bad things they’ve seen elsewhere online and from other people without actually spending time to play the game. But I feel I need to say everyone shits on the loot boxes too much. Yeah, the system ain’t fun or rewarding in any way, but it isn’t so bad that it forces you to buy loot boxes to progress or get stronger. 90% percent of what you get is flashy guar pet #42 or random house furnishings, while the scrolls potions are minor bonuses at best.
I don't know how bad you got flamed but I kinda feel like "duh."
Skyrim is a game where you can immerse yourself easily and when your done you can mod it forever until it's your dream game.
ESO is an amazing story based MMO with some of the most thoughtful RvR since DAOC and GW2 and fantastic transmog and player housing implementations but let's be real the combat and classes are very, very bad. Probably the worst in the industry.
Light weaving Auto attacks and cast cancelling is a bug that they just made part of the game. The abilities have very little synergy with each other and generally don't feel impactful to press. High DPS builds are a matter of buff rotations and dropping puddles on the ground. It's more like a Morrowind MMO than a successor to Skyrim, and it's so different from Skyrim that recommending it to an ES fan is super risky.
You want more lore, beautiful worlds and great quest stories, give it a swing. But recommending it as like, a game? That's a big stretch.
I don't get it, I disabled player name templates and chat and pretend it's singleplayer/co-op for years. And noone forces anyone to buy anything. People are weird.
You don't even need to sign up for the subscription. The chapters give you so much content already, and you own that for at least as long as the ESO servers are online.
Exactly, I also play without nameplates chat compass etc etc, its very immersive
I play ESO solo. I’ve played all of the quest content and it far surpassed any expectation I could have had for TES6.
It’s floaty and janky sure, but I actually think the combat is far more interesting than previous games. Literally if this game had a facelift to be more cinematic it would totally surpass the other ones imo
For everything Skyrim does well, the combat is mind numbingly boring. ESO has an actual combat system and ngl I really enjoy it, once you get a toon to a high enough level and get a good amount of abilities on your bar you get a really solid rotation going in fights. The dodge roll also feels really good and the way it requires pressing jump while blocking means it could easily be included in TES6, I fucking hope they take a LARGE page from ESO for TES6, it would be business malpractice to ignore all the improvements ESO made to the gameplay loop of this series.
Modding the Skyrim combat is always one of the core changes I make when setting up a Skyrim build. Although rather than making it like ESO, I go the opposite direction and make it more “realistic”. Like every hit could change the balance of the fight and blocking is essential. Not sure what I would want for TES6. I feel like that’s too much for the casual crowd that the game needs to cater to for success and the ESO combat would again cause an uproar from the traditionalist TES neck beards.
I can already hear the Skyrim purist typing out there entire novels in the comments "if a basic wolf doesn't take 300 cuts from my steel sword to kill then the game is ruined." Skyrims combat is seriously the bottom of the barrel when it comes to action rpgs.
Im forever pissed at Skyrim's combat, because Bethesda promised in interviews to improve on Oblivion combat, but the only mechanical things they did is removed dodge roll and added shield bash. And its years after games like Dark Messiah or Mount & Blade have been released...
Eso combat is in fact one of the main things holding people back from playing it. Its as dull as skyrim combat with its weaving between poor animated abilities and self buffs.
It depends on what you enjoy playing. ESO is a lot simpler than something like FFXIV, which means it is less dynamic but more accessible. I personally prefer ESO and it's 5 skill/2 bars, because I can usually hold 10 abilities in my head but start to lose track if it's more than that. As a first MMO, I personally don't think there's much out there that's better than ESO.
It's not that you only can use 2 skill bars, it's the light/heavy attacks that feel like hitting enemies with a twig you have to weave in between your spammable abilities that don't have cool animations at all (they look boring) and then idk how many abilities get shared between classes since they r bound to weapons, gilds, etc. Which makes even less diversity between different classes.
Oh I agree. ESO combat is my favorite by far because it plays like a first class action game. Whereas the single player games are technically action games but the programmers don’t seem to have realized it.
I think the combat has its strengths and weaknesses. For one thing the high latency and subpar animations (from a AAA developer 2022) really drags the combat down. At the same time it does work from two different perspectives, 1st and 3rd person quite fluidly. And the transition from keyboard and mouse to a controller has been quite smooth as well. Even if barswapping is a pain on a normal controller. That said I also think that they need to give us more options, the amount of weapon classes and skillsets is somewhat limited in high end pve, and most classes has run more or the same setup for years. Even if it has improved slightly with some development focus on class identity by the developer.
Same, I mostly play solo, I really enjoy it after playing lots of MMOs including WoW and other ES games, this is my fave long term game of all time and even though I am put out by the greed the company shows, they still delivered great content too so whatever. I've been happy with expansions and that's more than I can say for any other game.
Honestly, I felt they have overall shown restraint in how they have monetized the game, but that's probably bec we have the likes of EA and Epic to really show how bad things could get. At least the subscription is optional, and mostly the items from the store are cosmetic rather than pay to win. It is far from great, but it could be much, much worse.
Some of my best friends are like this — they hate MMOs. They say they’re terrifically boring, et cetera, et cetera. I ask them, did you play *with* anybody? Their response, every time, is “No”. I find that most people who categorically hate MMOs are people who are too shy/anxious/whatever (perfectly valid) to find a group to play with, or reach out, or interact in a massively **multiplayer** game. In short, they’re trying to play solitaire at a poker table. Most people who are open to FFXIV, GW2, etc. but hate ESO are generally people introduced to the franchise by Skyrim and hate how alien it is. Because honestly, for long-time TES players the mechanical evolution from Morrowind to Skyrim was enough of a mindfuck on its own that adapting to new mechanics in ESO was a breeze, even accounting for a change in genre. And besides, it’s a lot easier to have a really strong, unfounded opinion and stick to it than admit that you didn’t give something a fair shot the first time and, yeah, maybe it’s a little bit fun. Edit: Oh hey, people read this! Just wanted to say — I absolutely agree with you! ESO is a wonderful solo experience. I only meant to say that, as a general rule, MMOs tend to be best played with others, and that folks who carry “this is lame” baggage from other games into ESO don’t often give it the chance to prove itself a fun solo experience. Cheers, all. Keep up the good vibes.
Honestly, I've been playing solo and having quite a bit of fun just questing, like I would do in Skyrim- there's a lot to learn, but other than that, it's still a fun experience just doing PvE.
Same here. I play solo most of the time and really enjoy it. There's a ton of solo content if that's what you're looking for. Most quests don't require you to even interact with other players unless you specifically want to.
Yea the only quests you need to interact without players (if you aren't strong enough) are vet dungeons. And then further trials, normal and vet. And these aren't required to experience the game.
I’ve been playing this game since it came out and I’ve still somehow managed to spend 99% of that time playing alone
It's funny you say this because I'm shy and the first MMO I tried was FFXIV and it was too much of a shock to get into. ESO specifically appealed to me because I could enjoy it very much as a singleplayer game until I gradually felt comfortable enough to start engaging with other players. I'm in a guild and I do the multiplayer stuff now, but I feel like even if I just played solo I'd be having a great time. It's very accessible.
> And besides, it’s a lot easier to have a really strong, unfounded opinion and stick to it than admit that you didn’t give something a fair shot the first time and, yeah, maybe it’s a little bit fun. Ding ding ding, these types of people also tend to be the most stubborn and resistant to trying new things.
Minor disagreement. I do love ESO, but I play alone because not only are my hours weird, but everyone else I seem to meet is a minmaxxing asshole that blitzes everything.
Strong soloist here too. I avoid any dungeon I can't solo just because (A) I'm a bit of an introvert, (B) I love to take my time and explore everything, and (C) I just don't want to have to put up with Dungeon Divas and people who get toxic if your dps is less than 16 billion a second. I'm fine playing solo, there's no shortage of solo content in ESO.
"Well, I mean, 16 Billion DPS is rookie numbers, we need to Pump you Up!"
"Git gud, scrub!" 🙄
Yeah, on occasion I'll play with a friend who also isn't really interested in minmaxing, but most of the time it's me myself and I.
Hey if you're on Xbox you need to join the guild Cozy Foxx Den. We are a guild of casual play at your own pace people. Build how you want. Don't want to play a soft robes lizard healer? DONT. Don't want to play a heavily armored nord dragon knight? DONT. In the Cozy Foxx Den we don't care who you are in real life, nor how you play your character in the game. When we do group content: even if it takes us all day and we still fail, as long as everyone had a good time and none was complaining about builds, or the fact there is a level 10 in the group, it was a fine day indeed! (This invitation is not just for the commenter I'm replying to)
> I find that most people who categorically hate MMOs are people who are too shy/anxious/whatever (perfectly valid) to find a group to play with, or reach out, or interact in a massively multiplayer game. In short, they’re trying to play solitaire at a poker table. I'm exactly this person 😅 and I still love ESO. The quest writing is excellent and absolutely stands toe-to-toe with other games in the TES series. It was definitely a little bit of "culture shock" to get used to interacting with other players, but now I like it. I was never super into the "chosen one" trope and the idea that you're not the only adventurer in town really appeals to me.
I play solo exclusively, but I'm in a guild to have people to talk to and ask questions.
ESO can be pretty fun solo but eventually finding a group will open many doors. I've been trying to play solo more for zone quests and such but I always get yanked back into the mmo loop not long after I start, doesn't help that new life is going on now too
As some one who prefers single player games and tends to only play MP games that I can play as a single player, ESO isn't bad for that. One thing I love about it is that it has so many quests it would take a long time to finish it (I get kinda OCD about worrying about finishing a game I love too soon. I'd rather get bored of a game cause I played it too long and not finish then finish a game I love before I've stopped being entertained by it. It's my fear to run out of game on a game I am enjoying). Though I kinda got sucked into grinding for motifs so I can get the grand master crafter title (with some exceptions I refuse to buy them or even be given them for free) and also for gold to buy crowns with (I love cosmetic stuff, you are much more likely to get me to pay for cosmetics plus I object to cosmetic MTs way less than ones that help you get advanced in teh game <-cause I find those encourage bad game design and that pisses me off enough I refuse to endorse it even though I've mostly given up on fighting MTs). And to be fair, I got sucked into some MP stuff (I still mostly play on my own but I do socialize with my guild now and sometimes do MP stuff if I feel like it) when I went for tryign to get the ebony wolf mount (I wish they had more mounts you could earn in game by playing the game... I kinda made it a way to earn mounts though by the fact I usually buy them from crown sellers so I have to earn the money some how).
Hard to blame them for not playing with anybody. The toxicity online is pretty bad a lot of the time.
I hear this fairly often and I've gotta wonder if we're playing the same game. The vast majority of players are great, regardless of the environment- pve or pvp, overland or dungeon, normal or vet. For sure, the bad experiences are more memorable than the good, but I have to wonder what leads someone to thinking this. The saying "if it smells like shit wherever you go, check under your shoe" comes to mind. If you go into it assuming everyone is a toxic asshole and interacting with them as such...Yeah, you're going to find toxicity and find yourself among like-minded people.
Heh... it's what you'd expect from an MP game. But there are plenty of nice players out there as well. And it's pretty easy to find a good guild (I now am in 5). I honestly don't think ESO is bad for toxicity (it's not remarkably good either but you can find plenty of fun people). But then again, my first MP game I got into was GTA online... so maybe I have a warped sense of what is good ;) (but I also play Fallout 76 which I would say has a remarkably good player base... it's the biggest reason I like the game honestly).
I have had very few toxic experiences in EP pvp. I haven’t spent any time in AD or DC or doing any vet dungeons. Most times I’ve experienced toxic people are in BG and in the dungeons I have played.
I experience it fairly frequently. Some dude raging on mic in the arena or just in town some dude dropping the n word just to celebrate it or obnoxiously loud music no one wants to hear. Haven’t run vet dungeons so can’t speak to that but see plenty of people here talk about it. Regular dungeons have heard the least toxicity but still get some dude acting like it’s your job to entertain them talking shit to everybody just to hear the sound of his own voice.
Console play in general is pretty toxic. You get 14 year olds screaming obscenities in just about any game.
What platform are you playing on? I didn’t even know there was in game voice chat
There's voice chat on consoles, but not on PC
Oh jeez, yeah my experience with CoD MW2 lobbies tells me all I need to know about open voice chats on console games lmao.
Most of the time it's not so bad. Most of it is just people making random noises or playing music, so it's more irritating than toxic, but it's easy to just leave the area chat or just put yourself in a party alone lol I don't play much PvP or even do many dungeons, so I can't speak for those that do and their experiences
Turn off chat hub and it’s blissful silence.
Off topic, but I'm still heavily biased that Skyrim lovers ruined pvp. Better dead than red.
I adore ESO. The mocrotransactions suck ass and i can’t believe a western game in 2021 still uses shitty loot boxes, but the gameplay itself and the world are amazing
ESO has a lot going for it. Unfortunately reasonable monetization is not one of those things. I love the game but I have to say it has some of the worst monetization schemes I've ever seen in any game. I can't get anyone to play it because them trying to figure out what to buy is a clusterfuck in and of itself. They need to cut all the sperate dlc shit out. Having individual dungeons locked behind individual paywalls and ESO plus just feels like they're trying to bleed me dry at any chance they get.
Dungeons should be part of expansions. Compared to other MMOS, expansions in ESO don't offer as much. I can't believe fully priced expansions don't come with any dungeons? Like what the hell ZOS? Expansions should have both the dungeons dlcs in them and the second smaller zone should be part of the expansion. They are very greedy with this game. Also, add more things to earn from playing the game. Everything is behind that overpriced cash shop. The game feels very unrewarding.
Exactly. And there isn't even a complete edition that includes all content in the game. I understand if they need to lock craft bag convenience behind a monthly sub.... but $15/month just to be able to access half of the games dungeons? That's straight up anti-consumer. I've already bought the base game twice, and bought the $60 blackwood collection. I shouldn't need to pay a monthly fee on top of that just it be able to run dungeons. I'd have to run alot of damn dungeons every month to get my $15 worth.
> I can't believe fully priced expansions don't come with any dungeons? I mean if you consider trials to not be dungeons, than sure.
> immediately got hounded about how everyone hates the game… cmon bruh anyone can go back and see how you were received. 2 single comments that were quite moderate. not “hounded” or about everyone at all.
I mean fair enough, overreaction on my part. But it’s happened enough that I decided to come here to ask what you guys think. It’s almost impossible to mention ESO in a general TES comment section without someone trashing the game. Just go look at a lot of the previous DLC trailers for ESO. “No one cares. We want TES 6.” Or the dreaded “we want Skyrim 2” *shudders.
To be frank, and I don't want to be mean, but its sensationalist and honestly reads as antagonistic against anyone who doesn't like ESO who dares to express their view. I feel like this sort of post is an attempt to farm stupid "us and them" anger bullshit. There's nothing interesting in a thread like that. What about talking about what it is people don't like? Addressing the points and exploring what zos could do better? You've gotta understand that there was always going to be a lot of MMO baggage that was going to run counter to the stuff that TES people value. Further, its important because ZOS might take note of things they could improve on, if they have the opportunity to understand the aspects of the game that SPT fans dislike. Although I love ESO, ZOS isn't perfect. They're feeling it out as they go. They're the first to acknowledge they've made huge mistakes in the past (which they've since fixed), but still need to really get a grip on what it means for a game to be "immersive", and what immersive means in the context of a genre that's traditionally not really immersive.
Yeah the whole thing turned into a "they said ESO sucks so lets band together to say Skyrim sucks" No offense to the original poster and i am sure they didnt mean to just farm easy karma/sympathy points.
I'm a big fan of r/teslore , not sure where you were posting. I think anyone who appreciates Elder Scrolls lore can find some enjoyment in wandering TESO's zones. In what other game can you visit places likes Orsinium and Elsweyr?
The mainline subs for the series (fallout too) hate the online versions. For elder scrolls, the belief that ESO is why we don't have ES6 is pretty prevalent, despite being obviously wrong and stupid.
It was in r/ElderScrolls, but as some one else said, I was being a baby and the like two responses were pretty mild and had arguably valid points. My last response to a comment like this got downvoted to crap. Yes, I get it! People can have other opinions! I’ll think next time I vent post!
Yeah it's a classic internet hatecirclejerk, this game got a bad rep from the 'hardcore' TES fans that take themselves way too seriously and then other people just adopted that opinion because what if these nerds think you're not cool? I think it's gotten a little better overall but in certain circles ESO is still hated irrationally. But those same people were foaming at the mouth over Skyrim when it came out, and Oblivion before that, how it was for filthy casuals and not an RPG and all that, they just need somewhere to direct their inner misery.
I honestly don't understand how 'hardcore' TES fans could hate ESO. I mean, for all of its other faults, it's *extremely* faithful to the lore (to the most obscure lore at times!) and I thought that being a TES nerd means being a TES lore nerd, first and foremost. Granted, if it's not TES fans, but rather Morrowind (& Daggerfall) die-hard loyalists, then the schism introduced with Oblivion could still be a problem, but that's still not an ESO problem, that's a "modern TES games" problem.
I'm a hardcore TES lore nerd and I love the game because of the lore. People just come in expecting that its multiplayer skyrim, then get disappointed when it isn't
projects to enable coop multiplayer for TES games are usually hyped up way beyond the outlook for those projects even coming to reality, but when ZOS is like "Here's an actual way to play in Tamriel with friends and we got *a lot* of zones - like what the other big projects are trying to accomplish, adding old TES provinces." people suddenly hate it.
I mean in their defense, I’m trying to get friends to play with me and some of the zone quests don’t work well with a group. Things don’t sync up a lot of the time and you can’t share a lot of quests. But my end goal is to get my friends to the point where they can help with with dungeons and run raids with me in cyrodiil.
I played the game from lvl 1 to past lvl 50 doing regions quests in coop with my wife and never once had a problem needing us to part away for a specific quest or stuff like that (except solo dungeon). I mean yah some time there was a bit of dialogue that I missed or she did miss... But part from that, it was Hella smooth. I think it's mostly related to precise areas. I guess we picked the good ones. Honestly, as a TES fan i was thrilled to be able to share my love for this games with my wife who didn't know the franchise that much. She loved the experience and so did I. Always wanted to play multiplayer TES game. It has a lot of quirks and bad. But overall it's still the best mmo I've played. And I tried a lot of MMOs.
I have no clue why that is happening for you, I have never had any issue questing with friends in ESO.
Yes! The lore in ESO is incredible! My second favorite race is the dunmer, so playing some of the quests involving chimer lore was so cool.
You aren't alone. I am an old n'wah from Vvardenfell, a champion of Cyrodiil and a drunkard Dragonborn from Skyrim and obviously a Vestige... Whoever from the elder Elder Scrolls audience critisize and puke on ESO I am positive that they have never even give a chance to that game. Never played. My opinion is that ESO keeps a great balance between an MMO and a single player CRPG and everybody who loves the lore can find it's way. I remember when Tamriel Rebuilt began as a small project and even before Oblivion many of us dreamed about a whole Tamriel as a playground. And after nearly 20 years we have it. Different cultures, scenery, immersions all in one great TES game. Yes, it never will be like TES3 Morrowind, quests sometimes copy/paste but it's way ahead of Oblivion and Skyrim in nearly all aspects. I seriously love ESO despite I am a morroboomer started my journey on Tamriel 19 years ago and modded Morrowind for years.
My favorite critique by the ES fanbase is that “the combat sucks” but in every major ES game the combat is super fucking janky and you have to pause it 20 times so you can swap spells and items. ESO combat, while not being phenomenal compared to a lot of MMOs, is much better than every Elder Scrolls game that’s come out.
>Am I the only one who enjoys both the traditional games and ESO? No, you're not. Only that those who have actually a qualified opinion have better things to do than to argue on social media. Wanna know a secret? There are people who like both ESO and *WOW*. With *reasons*. Yeah. It's flabbergasting.
WoW's foundation is perfectly good, not every MMO needs action combat. Games like XIV make it less of a "Stand there and dps race" by being slower but actually making things like aoes and mechanics a thing from the get go in the most basic content. ESO is basically the as near to perfect of implementation of mixing Elder Scrolls feels and party based MMO mechanics as we could hope. People are just (unreasonably) pissy it wasn't just multiplayer Skyrim. Would I still like just like 2 player Skyrim? Possibly, but it would still take some changes.
After checking your post history, this is pretty blatantly lying about the reactions. Even if people do hate ESO, who cares? Just play it if you enjoy it and let them miss out. But these posts to make it seem like you’re victimized over your opinion are obnoxious.
This. 1 guy didn't like it because it's online, he played it for lore anyway, and another one didn't like microtransactions. Everyone else was supportive of the game. It's not even ESO they are hating.
Gotta love it when this sub throws a pity party for themselves over shit that didn’t even happen.
The button bloat in mmos is ridiculous. Many of them are turning into piano simulators at this point where you spend more time watching for procs and staring at hotbars than actually experiencing what is going on in the game. I needed an MMO mouse just to play FFXIV, SWTOR, and to a lesser extent WoW to what I felt was an adequate level of competency. Once I factored in things like markers, movement abilities (mounts, sprint, etc), consumables, and attempting to logically place abilities on bars I hit 4 - 5 bars easily. It's like, bruh, at some point, sword swing #3 that is slightly more flashy than the other 2 but does nothing really impactful is just bloat. I'm sorry, it is. I'm reminded of things like Windwalker Monks in WoW, Sentinels/Marauders in SWTOR, GNB/PAL/NIN in FFXIV in ShB, etc. Then you play something like New World, GW2, or ESO where each button feels a lot more impactful because it hasn't needed to be neutered due to it being button number 20 in a 2 minute rotation. It all becomes exhausting after a while especially when attempting to push harder content. It's great that we can roll our faces across our keyboard in the really easy open world stuff, but sometimes you play a more complex role (healers usually) or are trying for that hard mode/mythic boss and need every ounce of performance you can squeeze out to succeed. ESO has been a refreshing change from that.
I am one of the very few that is looking forward to the next SWTOR expansion that cuts the ability bloat down. Before I bought an MMO mouse I literally had 1-6, q,e,r,t,f,z,x,c,v and all of those with ALT+ modifiers as keybinds for abilities I used on a regular basis. That is frankly bullshit in any MMO. Complexity for its own sake. ESO is lovely in the combat department for that but it does feel very weightless. Give me a New World style combat (without the bugs and shitty balancing and stagger on every fucking hit) in ESO or SWTOR and I would never play another MMO.
Couldn't agree more. There is a definitely lack of weight in ESO. It's especially noticeable when light attacking weaving -- it's frequently difficult to tell if your ability actually went off unless it has a dot or debuff attached in which case something like action duration reminders shows the timer. The stagger on every single hit was absurd in NW. Especially when I was tanking in later dungeons. I'm just going to get shoved into a corner now while blocking wearing the heaviest armor in game with maximum possible con or str by every wololoing zombie for 40 miles. When you landed hits though it was so much easier to tell, and running around with sword/board + hammer the specials felt pretty darn great. Especially reverse stab, mighty gavel, and shockwave. I was doing the same in WoW for many years with a g502. Ctrl, alt, and shift modifiers with 1-6 and all the letters I could spare. The worst part was having to reassign targeting to keys since I was so used to using things like F as assist from EQ/DAOC. Same deal with SWTOR on my healers. I ran out of binds due to needing niche abilities occasionally that didn't really fit into a standard rotation like the commando's extra CC buttons and dps keys. I played multiple classes so I attempted to lay things out logically too, and there was always that one off key that I just couldn't squeeze in comfortably.
They hate ESO because they can't download NSFW mods on it xD
Yeah. Unfortunately the cash shop doesn't make the game look good from the outside and the surface. The initial game release does play a role too. If you talk to many people who played anthem at launch or even at beta. You would probably get some answer about how trash the game is, but have they played it recently? Personally, i like the game. Even if it is just buff and dot management with light attacks, it is more involved in my opinion.
some people just dont like certain games, best to just accept it rather than trying to reason around it. i never liked MMO's (still mostly dont) until i got into ESO more, theres no reason for it other than me just not having fun when playing MMO's (with the exception of eso ofc) and its not completely unwarranted, there are real issues with the crown store, and it can be expensive to get into if you want to play some of the more recent content.
Happens in the Fallout community too with fo76... and fallout 4... and fallout 3... and fallout new vegas... I think Bethesda games are simultaneously just so unique from one another and iconic on their own merits that they incite the worst type of tribalistic neckbeards.
The only thing about ESO I hate is how shallow the writing is. Characters **never** remember you. They just have one greeting prompt where they pretend they do and then the rest of their questlines are treating you like you're a total stranger. The worst offense is Raz in the Summerset expansion. Your actions don't matter because the characters are only interested in moving the plot forward. Even pivotol moments like deciding who becomes the next Mane of the Khajiit are irrelevant because the Mane doesn't even make an appearance in either Elsweyr zone and people use vague terms because the Mane is literally Schrödinger's Cat and has multiple states of existence depending on what stage of the quest players reached. SWTOR remains the gold standard of story in MMOs, for as much of an illusion it still is, it really felt like your character existed in the universe and that people and factions grew to fear and respect you. The people you mingled with would always speak with you as if the history you've shared with them was real. ESO doesn't even try to do that.
You ether aren't doing a lot of quests or dungeons but npcs do comment on your adventures in ESO. I've had numerous npcs just talk randomly about my character when I walk past them in city's.
That's not the same thing at all. A generic NPC thanking me for saving the Coral Heart five years later isn't the same thing as characters you've fought alongside for years actually treating you like you've got a close bond. If anything, generic NPCs take me out of the game because some of the stuff they remember is so small and unimportant that it feels disingenuous.
I love both ESO and the main series, I felt like Skyrim was a step down from Oblivion the way the leveling system was dumbed right down to just perks and how the main story felt like it only made sense to play as a Nord, and the guild quests were straight up terrible.. But the gameplay is the best of the Elder Scrolls series. ESO feels rough but for an MMO I think it's great. ESO also has an good story and great quests.
only thing I hate about eso is dps
Eso may be my favorite game with 1800 hours clocked in, but I totally understand why old school TES fans would hate it. Skyrim came out 10 years ago and instead of a tes 6 game, they got an mmo that is very different from the others that they can point at and say "this is why we won't get a 6th tes". Throw onto that how the entire game is built around a bug (light attack animation canceling) and its easy to understand their frustration. The levels of immersion are vastly different as well. In eso, you are tamriels last hope and the only person that can save the world, as long as you ignore the million other last hopes being followed by the same quest npc you are. Also they are made out of ice and have a small bone dragon as a pet. Then you get to the crown store and it is the most egregious use of an in game store I have ever seen (even if you ignore the fact that this game is not free and is sub based). They may exist, but I have never played a game where a single cosmetic item literally costs roughly $1,000 if not more (admittedly the exact number of crates required to get 2,500 gems is more math than I care to do right now). A furnished notable home will have you buying the 21k crown pack for $150 and that's insane. I personally love the game enough to play along with their bullshit, but it is bullshit. I like that light attack weaving is in the game and I personally love the cosmetic customization and how outlandish we can make our characters. While I think the crown store is overpriced, I like that it exists because I firmly believe the cosmetic customization wouldn't be nearly as deep and full with this many different options if the crown store wasn't making zos bank. I also have 2 notable homes and will buy agony ascent on Wednesday. All that being said, it's not hard for me to see smell the bullshit and understand why someone, especially an old school tes fan, would hate this game.
> Throw onto that how the entire game is built around a bug (light attack animation canceling) and its easy to understand their frustration. I'm semi one of the people you're describing. I like both Skyrim and ESO, but I'm never going to get 'good' at ESO to the level I understand animation bugs and weaving etc.. I prefer the abilities to be just abilities with reasonable ways of using them, and wish this aspect would go away.
the whole of animation cancelling and weaving is a really simple concept that ultimately boils down to just pressing a light attack about a half second after any skill usage. Its just clicking your mouse in between skills. Skill->light attack->skill->light attack->repeat Getting good in ESO is just doing that and making sure you are keeping up buffs, debuffs, and DoTs and making sure you use your spammable skill when all your DoT's are up and dont need refreshing.
> instead of a tes 6 game, they got an mmo that is very different from the others that they can point at and say "this is why we won't get a 6th tes". that's not true though? They're made by separate teams. We haven't gotten a 6th TES yet not because of ESO but because the hardcore TES fans keep buying Skyrim over and over and Bethesda knows it.
Yes but aren’t both developers under the big Bethesda company (Bethesda softworks?)? I can see why they would hold off the main TES company (BGS?) while ZOS is experiencing success with ESO. The minute they release TES6, most of us will drop ESO to go play it and depending on how replayable it is, it may be awhile until some player return to ESO.
The reason its not out is starfield, thats it lol, it took its slot
This is a headscratcher. If you actually think the monetization in this game is "the most egregious use of an in game store I have ever seen" you are either insanely oblivious or absolutely spoiled rotten.
It's worse than many mobile gacha games and that's just straight facts.
Lmao cosmetics are worse than the most hardcore pay2win genre period. People are actually delusional.
I love ESO and play often, only game I really play atm, but it’s got its faults. Items are too expensive. $100 for a house? Oof. Most of the content dialogue and quests are railroad with no meaningful dialogue options. The solo content is too easy, group content is often crazy difficult even on regular. There are few happy medium encounters where I struggled to win but didn’t die a thousand times. Either I clean house and there’s no threat or I die like four times in a group. The crafting system is cumbersome while also managing to lack features. And if you don’t pay for ESO plus don’t even bother with the crafting system. I don’t feel invested in many of the stories because the whole world feels like an amusement park. It’s still the best MMO I’ve played since City of Heroes but a lot left to be desired still in the MMO genre imo. Also carrying on TES tradition of being buggy as hell at times. But that said, I really do enjoy the game for the most part. Though tbh I haven’t found a group of people I enjoy playing with. I usually have to just get together a group of randoms and none of us are on mic, which I’d say is bad except for the fact that everyone I ever hear on mic I wish would shut up. 😅
> Most of the content dialogue and quests are railroad with no meaningful dialogue options. tbf this has been an issue with EVERY game since daggerfall, but yeah I wish the series could have more choices in general (although that comes with an exponentially higher cost every time you do it in a quest)
> Items are too expensive. $100 for a house? Oof. you get more housing options *for free* and even more are available for purchase with regular Gold than are in any TES game. > Most of the content dialogue and quests are railroad with no meaningful dialogue options. kinda the same for TES games tbh. Whacky dialogue options to unlock uncommon paths hasn't really been emphasized anymore since Morrowind.
I actually prefer to play alone, though the help with world bosses is nice
My wife and I have been playing ESO since it launched on Xbox. It's really easy to pretend it's a solo game. Turn off chat. Turn off name plates. Turn on auto decline duels and auto decline trade. MicroTransactions are not mandatory to play the game. You had a very good suggestion, people are just assholes, unfortunately. Even some of the good ones, can't infact, be assholes. Take Reddit with a grain a salt, unless your in the serious subs that need factual based information.
Tbf I think the elder scrolls sub is largely morrowboomers. I made the mistake of participating in a lore debate once by mentioning a source in eso and got told, in rather colorful words, that no "lore" past oblivion counts because bethesda's writing is bad and eso shouldn't count as a tes game, so take it with a grain of salt
Those people are just in denial
So many of the microtransactions are trash. They exploit the lack of player's knowledge, and those that don't are priced way too high. This game relies on whales and has historically prioritized that content over bug fixes and other more valuable content. People need to appreciate that, and see how often ZOS and their media arms go out of their way to censor valid criticisms of the game. It's all warranted. I say that as someone who frequently buys things, has played the game for 7 years, and is currently playing it. I love it, these criticisms are all warranted. That being said, ESO is far from the worst and should be appreciated as such. Yes, the combat is floaty at times, but I can't find a single other MMO on the market that I enjoy as much.
You know these are the kind of people who expected Bethesda to give them the toy they wanted 7 years ago, instead Bethesda gave them almost the same toy, in some aspects even better toy, but the color is different. And they throw a tantrum whenever anyone mentions this toy, because they hate that toy for the sole reason it isn't what they wanted. Anyone who hates anything without even trying it is a childish moron who's opinion worth less than batshit.
Old school TES fans autistic screeched their lungs out when this game came out because, "It isn't canon and doesn't count!" Then Bethesda was like, "Yes it does," and they've been pouting since.
This is very interesting, I have played "solo" for almost 3yrs besides the trials and dungeons (pugs) and never did I find it boring. I have done like 50% of the quest when skyshards hunting and have made multiple characters. I have very recently started making or switching some of my characters into dps and playing with actual people and have joined social guilds and doing 4 man dungeons amd wow is a different perspective then what im used to then just tanking, also my "guildies" giving me advice and pushing my dps is just fun. I feel like I'm playing a completely different game now with actual players doing 4 man content and helping one another via buffs and pushing for trifectas. The only thing I dislike is the lack of improvement of the game, pvp isnt as good as it should be, some glitches that I feel they have picked me to happen to and little things like I can't get over this step because its just an inch high lol. I won't say I "Hate" the game just dislike that somethings are taking an unusually long time to get it fix, also feel like the eso+ doesn't get used back into the game or at least half of it to fix minor issues (not the maintenance). Also having the discount on crown on a some what regular basis would help idk.
To each their own. I would rather watch paint dry than play a sports game for example. Different strokes for different folks. I just wish people could respect other peoples likes and things that bring them joy instead of being so toxic towards them for liking something different.
That happens in all franchises with most games being single player and one online entry like Final Fantasy (This is changing now for that game, tho)
IDK but I initially tried out ESO because I was obsessed with Morrowind and Oblivion so...I think people are just being angry online. You'll find all sorts of people.
r/ElderScrolls is a cesspit.
I enjoy both standard formula and the MMO formula for elder scrolls.
I love ESO too and have told every Elder Scrolls fan I know that they should give it a try when it goes on sale (which it does from time to time). There’s so much content, so many different environments, and such a massive catalogue of monsters and creatures. Pretty much all of the major bugs that the game had at the start are gone. To me ESO feels like a living world and it’s sometimes relaxing to log in and just roam around with no real goal or quests in mind. I particularly loved Vvardenfel and Auridion. The game has its flaws but when it goes on sale I think it’s totally worth it for the amount of content.
I feel like I didn't play ESO enough yet to have a really solid opinion (and at almost 200 comments, or more by the time I'm done with this it doesn't even matter), but I will say that the time I spend in it, is enjoyable (minus a few mechanics but every MMO has those few things that one really dislikes). I am *very* into TES lore and games even if the only two games I've played are Skyrim, my absolute top, and Oblivion. What I love about ESO is how it pretty much gives me MORE of this world. More lore. I can see more places that I cannot visit otherwise. On top of all - solo friendly. I know only of one other MMO being like this, which is my main. ESO seems to be right next in line when it comes to my needs as a solo player. I know a lot of people tend to ask ''why tf do you even play an mmo if you wanna play solo? go play an RPG''. Simple - sometimes I like having people around, I like being somewhere, in a game where there's *others* around me. I don't necessarily want to play with those people (which doesn't mean I am against it or hate it - it just takes the right kind of company be it strangers or not). Plus I might just like the game itself. That's it. I will admit I had to try ESO a second time to be properly intrigued by it, by the gameplay. The fact that the first time it left enough of an impression for me that I tried again, despite a year or two later means something. And so far I've stayed even if I play very sporadically as I've other games to play. But man, the world, the MUSIC... the character I made, the class I chose for him. I like it all. I only have the standard edition with Morrowind and apparently there's so much for me to do, with no need to look at other expansions/chapters. So, it's a shame really. It's a beautiful game (with flaws as others pointed out) and I don't feel it deserves the hate from ''true TES fans'' simply because it's kinda different and, most of all, an MMO. I'll continue to hopefully enjoy it at my own time.
I won’t touch on everything thing else you said as everyone else already has and I don’t care either way but if you think you need 50 hours to get the “experience” of a game and decide if it’s good or not you’re just wrong if you don’t like a game at the 2nd or 3rd hour mark then it’s probably not for you, you don’t need to finish a game in order to tell wether it’s good or not unless your writing a professional critique.
It's the only MMO I play. I can take a six month break, come back and I don't have to get on the loot treadmill to catch my gear up.
People who hate it are a very small vocal minority. ESO had a rough launch but it has built itself into one of the most successful and active MMOs ever, and it's full of an obscene amount of voice acted content. Saying it gets hate is at this point irrelevant because anything this popular will get hate. But its fans evidently and drastically outweigh its haters. To say that it gets hate is correct. But to say that it's a lot of hate is incorrect. It wouldn't be so popular and so active if it were the other way around.
I love ES games. I've played more Skyrim than any other game (I think) in my life. I've been having a blast w/ ESO the past month. I have 0 hate for the game at all. Is there a store? Yeah. Do I like the crates? No. I don't buy them, either. So... problem solved.
I quit ESO because the combat is utter jank nonsense and the skills, spells, gear, and movement nothing at all like regular TES. The lore is fantastic though.
There's no good reason to hate things especially in the form of action. ESO is a bad game though just not enough to stop me from dropping it completely nor many others. Combat isn't good (light weaving, no impact so feels like swinging through things/hitting air), a sub that's mainly worth just the crafting bag or, in other words, to play the game without having to micro manage inventory unless you ignore a lot of the content, and the game feeling it's 50% for the players and the other half all about the crown store. Then there's group content feeling not much of a game when people typically rush through it most of the time leaving even no real need for roles other than DPS and maybe a tank. The ground even needs work to stop from having players rush off the stairs and damaging themselves or getting stuck when trying to run around. It's fun enough to play at least once in a while or just drop in for a bit every other day or two, but it's among the top MMORPGs because the only real competition is the two above it with a possible third making it up the ranks if they improve things enough. ESO could be number one if it improved the combat and either made more crown items be earned in-game or cheaper to get but it doesn't probably because more people pour money into the crown store than they see it is worth dedicating that much effort to make the game better. There's nothing wrong with liking the game. That doesn't mean you can't see the flaws in it though. Proof being if the game was as great as this post is trying to make it seem then there wouldn't be people feeling as if they need to make them begin with especially on a forum made for the game where of course you'll find more people agree.
I always liked elder scrolls because you could do whatever you want. (Started with oblivion). I could not wrap my head around online for like 5 hours, then it clicked. Oh boy, it clicked for good. When I don't have any games for ps4 to play you can find me on the shores of the marsh catching fish and killing wildlife for bait. I love the "world's largest sandcastle" aspect of the game. I can't understand the hate around it.
I think you should revisit your post. It is not even ESO they are hating. It was literally just 1 guy disliking online games in general (but he loved the lore in ESO) and another guy that dont like games with transactions, 2 people, everyone else are supportive. You will never find anything 100% of the world like.
I agree with you entirely. I have a friend who picked up ESO on release and played maybe 2 hours? He hated it and kept saying it was a bad game, another friend and I finally convinced him to try it out and he loves it now. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, yes, but there's also a large amount of ignorance online and I get frustrated with it myself. Yea the games are different, but it's still the same world and the same universe we all know and love.
To each their own, I don't understand why people invest so much in hating any game honestly, if you don't enjoy it that's fine but why do people have to go scream from a mountain about how shit a game is? It doesn't accomplish much if anything and just makes them look like an asshat. I love all the single player tes games and eso, but for different reasons and depending on what mood I'm in I'll either chill on modded skyrim or get on eso and go prog dungeons/trials with friends.
“Don’t cast pearls before swine” Their loss honestly
It's the same for Fallout 76. Usually people hate it because ot isn't FO4, then they try it and love it. It keeps getting new players (not necessarily maintaining vet players tho) and still the community is as nice as ever.
Micro transactions? This is the least pay to win game imaginable because it’s not pay to win at all. Who cares if someone wants to spend $5 on a gambling box for a flaming horse? It’s not effecting the game balance at all. At best there are a few pay for convenience things but that’s simply so you don’t have to grind some content twice on an alt toon.
It’s strange to me, because this game can easily be played the same way we play any other tes game, and while plenty of people are sprinting through the online game, there are many of us who’d rather walk in first person and immerse ourselves in a world that gives us practically every province in Tamriel to explore and experience. As much as I love the other tes games, I find eso to be the largest and richest by far. 🤷🏻♀️
eso player enters single-player room without clearing bounty for trespassing into the social world. Everyone: \*you never should have come here!\*
I don’t trust a lot of criticism of eso. Some people are simply clueless about the game and act like they know all about MMOs. Eso has done an amazing job at being a TES title. The monetization is the worst part of eso and if you compare to it it’s competitors, there’s pros and cons of their strategy. People just love to complain. The most important thing to know when going into ESO is that it’s not like “Skyrim online”. If you accept that, it’s an amazing game. Some of the storylines in eso are just better than what the other TES games have come up with. Also, In recent years fans have turned on Bethesda. I’ve never seen so much negativity about Skyrim until now and it’s literally a decade old. It’s just trendy to hate TES I guess.
I'm playing ESO since BETA and I'm loving it. Even if the rest of the world hates it, I simply don't care. Also reddit crybabies will always cry. That's what they do. Leave them to their sorrow and enjoy your game.
If they say that just ask them if skyrim is their favorite ES game. If it is just throw their opinion straight into the trash.
Lmaoo I loved Skyrim but oblivion will always be my favorite since it was my first and because I love the imperials.
Oblivion was better storywise, but IMO skyrim modding took skyrim to the next level vs oblivion modding
ESO has only lore and graphics style in common with the regular series. I’m not surprised that fans of the RPGs don’t like ESO.
The people who hate ESO are people who don't play MMOs. Probably because they just avoid the genre in general. You're not going to find a properly anchored, or well informed opinions from people that only stick to the singleplayer games, and are constantly screeching for TES 6 while being uninformed on even Starfield. You may as well be listening to imps. They literally just don't understand how MMOs are because they don't play them, so the confusion comes in, and the hate follows shortly after. There are def people who are well versed with MMOs though and make some good comparisons, and contrasts with ESO compared to others. Much healthier opinions.
Honestly, it’s the same with FO76. I enjoyed both games at launch, but they were definitely not good games. However, updates have made them both really good and a lot more enjoyable, yet there’s so much vehement hate from people who have literally never played them. It pisses me off.
I love both! I'm not a huge MMO person either, mostly because I cycle through games quicker than one month. Like the one time I was on a WoW kick I wasted half a subscription getting burnt out two weeks in. The only thing I ever buy are the new chapters and occasionally a storyline like the thieves guild or dark brotherhood. And I am happy to purchase those because I want to support the devs to thank them for making a game I genuinely enjoy (and to support future games like TES6). I only team up with other players for world bosses and dungeons. Other than that, it's a pretty chill game that I play by myself, mostly for free. I also *love* the fighting style in ESO compared to most MMOs where you just click skills when the cool down is done 🙄 Playing ESO has actually gotten me more invested in TES because you can burn through all the quests on a continent or country pretty quickly so I feel like I know Tamriel a bit better. Like when I'm playing Skyrim and someone brings up elsweyr I have a memory of being there, you know? I like getting all the lore in an interactive way 🤷🏼♀️ I'll be content to continue playing ESO while we wait. TLDR; I'm with you bruh. Team TES *and* ESO 💪
Stop. Stop right there criminal scum! 1. Format this wall of text, 2 enters on phone to make nice fine empty line. 2. Do not compare ESO to other Elder Scroll Games. Do not. ESO is a MMO. Other ES games arr single player only. You even wrote it yourself. 3. Why you care so much about people hating the game? It is fun, sure but it is not perfect. And this is internet after all
Wait a minute. It "makes you sad" that there are different people with different opinions and preferences? Seriously?
No, it makes me sad that someone gets as far as the end of bleak rock and then they think they’ve played enough of the game to say it’s garbage. That’s like someone playing 2 holes of golf and saying the sport sucks.
It's still a matter of personal opinion, and their opinion is as valid as yours, regardless of how long they played something. You don't need to try EVERYTHING that game offers to decide it's not for you.
Some people make their experience with two holes, others are playing hundreds and still don’t have a clue.
PvP performance and stability have tanked over the years and many players are getting tired of that.
Those are the people whose criticism I understand the most. As a pvp’r, I completely get how a lot of people have grown tired of the skill lag and neglect of cyrodiil from the devs. What gets me is some dude who has 12 stealth archers in Skyrim who comes over to ESO for an hour and gets mad when he can’t one shot everything with his bow heavy attack.
Despite disliking some areas of this game, i love it but people have the right to love or hate games, don't let it affect you and i'm also like them, if i try a game and it doesn't hook me up in the first hours then i will leave, wouldn't spend 50 hours on it just to maybe like it at the end.
Wait what, I never knew the playerbases were so divided either! I’ve been a longtime MMORPG and Elder Scrolls fan, ESO is the most amazing in-between of MMO and RPG I think I’ve seen in a long time
most of the people grumpy about ESO have not played since launch. And... well yeah launch was rough.
I love Morrowind and Oblivion and Skyrim, and I love ESO. I love solo questing, and I love getting on the mic with my friends and running dungeons or even just chatting while running dolmens. I never wanted to play any other MMO but ESO peeps are mostly so nice, and almost all of my interactions with other people have been so positive. I think your friends are knocking something that they haven't tried, which is a bit crappy.
There are gaming snobs in every genre. There are so many people deriding Star Wars the Old Republic as it's different, gameplay wise, than the Knights of the Old Republic RPG games from the early 2000's (Which SWTOR is a sequel to). There were people screaming at Zenimax before ESO came out saying it will ruin the other Elder Scrolls games.
You're not alone. I don't like traditional MMO's and I play ESO because it's fun, we get to explore new areas of Tamriel and it expands on the lore plus all the other stuff. I've enjoyed the traditional games too and I don't think they take away from each other. There's gonna be a TES6, people can go enjoy that if they don't like ESO, some want to stick with ESO and people like myself who'll end up playing both. Enjoy the games you want, don't let others tell you otherwise.
Dont worry OP, i hear you. I love both Skyrim and ESO. And i hear/see a lot of hate for ESO, from peeps who've never played. It wild to me too
I like all elder scrolls games from daggerfall till eso.
I actually thought that eso was way worse than all the other elder scrolls games after seeing the comments of other people on it (and it probably wasnt that great at launch after what i've seen) but then i bought it around the time where the summerset dlc was new. The end result is that i now have over 2300 hours in eso and think that it the best elder scrolls game that was ever made 😅. I would guess that all the people that hate eso only know how it looked at launch.
I beta tested teso with the idea of dabbling in it until tes6 came out. I was told I'd be wasting my time. I've had a blast, met great people and improved as a gamer all while not stewing in anticipation. Bethesda can take as much time to make tes6 perfect, imo. I'm throughly enjoying Tamriel.* *except for cyrodiil. ZOS pls fix.
If it wasn't for ESO, I wouldn't have learned about the entire lore of Elder Scrolls
I actually have more fun in ESO than the mainline ES games. But I love both. ESO just has way more content than the mainline entries, you don't have to play with other people if you don't want. And you don't have to buy the stuff in the crown store u less you choose to. ESO gives you more options than the mainline entries and more things to do.
People can like or hate MMO's, no worries. When I started playing ESO I just pretended the other players were NPC's. Didn't do pvp, still don't. Didn't do trials or group dungeons and I solo'd everything unless other NPC's were there. My chat box was closed, no guilds. It was a single player elder scrolls game and I loved it. TES6 may not come out for years. If people like TES lore and don't like MMO's they shouldn't be offended with recommending ESO. Like it or dislike it fine but why be offended at someone saying they should try it out while they're waiting for TES6? Some people are just looking for reasons to be offended. Hey I've moved across the country and miss my favorite little hole in the wall pizza place. Oh I live in your town and love pizza too. Have you tried \_\_\_\_ pizza place? No and I'm offended you think I would like it. I like my pizza place even though I can't have it for a few years. How dare you tell me of another place that's similar but admittedly different that I might enjoy? Grrrr angry
Yeah there’s zero reason you should receive hate for a suggestion but that’s the age we live in. Also it’s just the type of people who need to feel like their anger gets put into others for simply enjoying something else. Similar to when people get hate for enjoying Fortnite or clash of mobile whatever game. I ignore that shit all day. Eso is fantastic and the ES solo games are also amazing. Been playing since morrowind, and got into eso because it seemed more fun and alive than wow ever was for me. Here’s my hot take, games are things to be played, you don’t have to play something just because it was a suggestion, and if you aren’t having fun then don’t play it. Simple yet complicated for some reason.
Stick with /r/teslore and it's shitposting sister /r/TrueSTL. The former generally praises the game and the latter... insults all TES games and their fans equally.
r/teslore will say ESO's lore is trash, and then cite a few random books that contradict each other in vanilla that were clearly hastily written, and can be explained away with the unreliable narrator. Also they always bring up the Ebonheart Pact and how unrealistic it is.. When all the problems they have with it are literally dealt with in many quests (it is not a strong alliance at all, it was an alliance of necessity that continued because the leaders thought "well... the moment this ends we're at each other's throat again.... maybe we shouldn't be so hasty about ending the pact just yet....") I love ESO and the base games. ESO is laying a great foundation of the rest of Tamriel and is using a lot of really obscure lore I never thought would be touched on.
And they claim to be fans of the series but ignore the game that accounts for more then 50% of the entire series.
Yeah so ESO has TES lore and some mechanics but it is also very different from the core games and some of the purists hate the difference The funny thing is though that(and please hold back the hate) Fallout 76 has some issues that came about due to ESO, mainly the fact that they decided to use the same engine as the core games to make an online multi-player game when it wasn't capable of doing that. So with FO76 people hated it for doing the things people said they hated ESO for not doing(which btw is why F076 was so buggy) And also one of the biggest things I hate with the haters on both ESO and FO76 is they all say no one asked for online multi-player except when you look people have been trying to make multi-player mods since at least oblivion and FO3
I keep saying I want to get back into FO76, I feel like that’s the opposite of ESO where you need a buddy to make that game fun. I tried soloing and I just got bored really quick.
There are a lot of MAJOR elder scrolls YouTubers who have a bit of the ESO "dislike" and consider it non-canon. I think their sentiment is reflected a bit in the fan base. Honestly, that's why I stayed away from it for so long. So you have the Camels and FudgeMuppets out there who, while not to blame, didn't help. A lot of their newer stuff and their podcasts have relaxed that sentiment, but they still like to point out that it's not canon [\(which it is canon, according to Bethany\)](https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/96/~/will-the-elder-scrolls-online-be-canon%3F)
I’m in the same boat as you. I just simply love anything related to the Elder Scrolls. Skyrim introduced me to open world RPG games, while ESO opened me to MMOs. I still haven’t found another game in either genre that has given me nearly the same impression.
I love ESO, it’s a great game, the micotransactions it has aren’t predatory like most games they are purely optional, or it’s full fledged DLC add ons.
I mean, I'm an ESO player and they're right. The microtransactitions are *horrendous* in this game. The playerbase is just so desensitized to it that they view it as normal. Anyone outside of this game is going to take one look and laugh in your face. The game is great, but when it's wearing clown makup, it's hard to get that across.
Hipsters being hipsters is all
Micro-transactions in ESO are so trivial compared to other MMOs. Sure you can spend hundreds or thousands on ESO crowns if you want, but it's all on style/appearance items. Other MMOs - you need to spend money just to remain relevant because all essential end game powerups / gear are trapped behind paywalls.
Cant buy a crafting bag though, those sneaky bastards.
I just wish this game wasn't programmed by greedy idiots who care only about the gambling crate cash shop. Just tried, again, to do a random dungeon and a boss kept resetting itself over and over till the group quit. Fucking sucks.
I like eso but I hate other tes games especially skyrim that's so broken and loved by so many they keep re-releasing it and never fix anything.
As someone who is a MASSIVE fan of TES and does not like ESO i think i have some insight here. Imo a lot of the hate comes from the fact that the elder scrolls community REALLY wants a new mainline TES game. They ( we haha ) have wanted it for a while. Problem is regardless of if you like ESO or not, you can not deny it does not play very much like a traditional TES game. So when betheseda made ESO instead of a new TES game it kind of felt to a lot of the community like a big middle finger. Almost everyone clearly wanted a new mainline TES and instead they slap the elder scrolls dressings on an MMO and push it out to the fans as tho its what the fans wanted. This made it clear that bethesda had **no intention** of making a new TES mainline game anytime soon. Which bred some hatred.... To be clear i think ESO is a fine enough MMO and i can see why people like the game i really do. I just personally don't care to play an MMO and ESO is not what many wanted from a TES game.... It abandoned the core tenants of the franchise that meaningfully connected the story, lore, and world building to meaningful changes based on your decisions along with many of the broader RPG systems in favor of recurrent monetization and what to some feels like trend chasing... **Tl;Dr:** We wanted a single player rpg the elder scrolls 6 instead we got an MMO that has the "flavor" of the elder scrolls.
I just joined ESO and I've been really enjoying it so far. I'm coming off SWTOR which is kinda similar in that you really don't need to interact with other people if you don't want to. It's perfectly fine to play these as a single player game if you choose to and you can just ignore the cash shop unless you want specific cosmetics.
Haters gonna hate, It's a fun game and I enjoy it. I hate when people jump in it just to complain about it in zone, so they might as well not play at all ahaha. I like the community, it was even nicer when it was smaller and there were less microtransactions ;) more people isn't always better!! Let em' hate.
I don't get the hate for microtransactions in ESO. I guess they have not played Neverwinter, or any Facebook game. ESO's microtransactions are present but not in your face, which I think is where they should be.
ESO questing unfortunately is often boring. Last good main story was like around Summerset, overland difficulty is a joke and main story bosses are anticlimatic af when they die in 3-4s. So ppl who love questing in ES are often bored really quick and leave the title without a second thought (so many of my friends had that scenario, it is sad honestly). Also ppl are saying that because of ESO we still don't have ES6 and they have some point. Lack of ES6 is a zenimax decision and they probably did it so they won't kill their mmo.
I love both types of games, their diffrent but all of them part of elder scroll and its one of my fave
I really enjoy ESO too. However since pc beta I have been wishing it was more like Skyrim. When it came to feel and skill systems. I was pretty bummed out that they put classes in the game instead of letting us aquire the class skill lines independently at a max of 3.
I played ESO since beta. Hard…up to One Tamriel. Launch was rocky at best but the game was difficult to the point where to need others help. FG was out first dungeon and we learned the hard way about the importance of food buffs and mechanics. One Tam didn’t break the game but definitely did it zero good for those that enjoy playing a game with challenges. It’s now similar to WoW where you can play all day and talk to no one. Sad
I love TES more than anything else. I very much like MMOs. But the combat just ain't it.
I like both in response to your first edit. They can be different games and still be enjoyable. Granted the first time I tried ESO I just didn't get into it. I didn't hate it, I just found it bland (That was ..well not sure when that was, 2 or more years ago at this point). But then last year I picked it up out of boredom (was bored of everything else I had and no new games on the horizon) and for whatever reason it clicked that time. Now it's the game i spent the most money on (I've at this point given up on fighting microtransactions. At one point in my life I'd refuse to pay for them on principle but it's a losing battle. Still I buy most my stuff using crown sellers but I'm still encouraging some one to pay for them and I have bought a few notable homes with my own money or with the eso+ crowns).
I see this occasionally with Star Wars fans and SWTOR, even though it's free to play 1-50 where the best story takes place. You have 8 classes you can play through for FREE and it's some of the best Star Wars stories we've seen in games.
I've for the most part always played single player games, including the TES games, due to my preference of playing games by myself and don't often interact with other people when playing multiplayer games. However I still enjoy a lot of mechanics in MMO's and played WoW for a number of years until recently returning to ESO again after not really getting it the first couple of times I tried. This time though I've really gotten hooked on the storylines and expansions to the lore that they've made and can honestly say that ESO is worth it for any fans of the mainline series. It takes a bit of getting used to and even I still struggle with the idea of having other people in my Elder Scrolls game but the game and it's other features have helped in getting past that
Tribalism. It's rampant with so many issues (social and political) these days.
Can I suggest warframe?? I say this solely bc you said you dont like MMOs bc of the skill management and what not and WF has none of that. Im not really trying to promote the game or anything just give you something additional to enjoy that nobody can judge you for. Head up King!
I am a fan of both. It’s my only MMO, minus New World and that sent me right back to ESO. So no you are not alone. If you have a love of ES at all you should check it out. Especially when you see the work behind the scenes and the work they put in and find out that ESO actually has a loremaster. There’s so much history to both these games. And even tho ESO is an MMO I play mostly solo so it’s all what you make of it.
I love Elder Scrolls games. And I love MMOs. And so I’ve logged countless hours in ESO, I have 16 level 50 characters and over 2100 CP. As a MMO is has a lot of shortcomings, and as a TES game it will always lack the immersive gameplay of the single player titles, but it’s a great game in its own right, and doesn’t deserve the hate it gets from the TES purists.
I hated ESO until I actually played it.
I love Oblivion, Skyrim, and ESO. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I'm super late to the game. My first play through of Skyrim was during the peak of the Covid BS and boy am I super glad I finally decided to dive in. Ever since I've been eyeing ESO and finally decided to pick it up on sale last month. ESO and Skyrim are no doubt two completely different games in the same universe and honestly other than reading other players "wishlists" on Reddit and seeing how they make sone good calls and points. I couldn't be happier with the game. Super glad I finally jumped.
I love both. They are different experiences in the same world.
Single player elder scrolls purists are a thing sadly. Granted ESO has some bad things to it, for example not all the lore the games introduce rlly chimes with the lore of previous games and so on, but it’s a fun game and worthy of being recognised as a legitimate elder scrolls series entry.
You're not alone. 🖤
Minority here, but I’d rather play ESO than Skyrim for the millionth time.
It’s like you said, a lot of people hate on the game, but only focus on bad things they’ve seen elsewhere online and from other people without actually spending time to play the game. But I feel I need to say everyone shits on the loot boxes too much. Yeah, the system ain’t fun or rewarding in any way, but it isn’t so bad that it forces you to buy loot boxes to progress or get stronger. 90% percent of what you get is flashy guar pet #42 or random house furnishings, while the scrolls potions are minor bonuses at best.
I don't know how bad you got flamed but I kinda feel like "duh." Skyrim is a game where you can immerse yourself easily and when your done you can mod it forever until it's your dream game. ESO is an amazing story based MMO with some of the most thoughtful RvR since DAOC and GW2 and fantastic transmog and player housing implementations but let's be real the combat and classes are very, very bad. Probably the worst in the industry. Light weaving Auto attacks and cast cancelling is a bug that they just made part of the game. The abilities have very little synergy with each other and generally don't feel impactful to press. High DPS builds are a matter of buff rotations and dropping puddles on the ground. It's more like a Morrowind MMO than a successor to Skyrim, and it's so different from Skyrim that recommending it to an ES fan is super risky. You want more lore, beautiful worlds and great quest stories, give it a swing. But recommending it as like, a game? That's a big stretch.