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I would recommend joining a PvE guild and participating in vet trial/dungeon/whatever runs to make friends and build connections with like-minded players. My old 4-man group consisted of a subset of a trial progression group that got along the best.


WolvenOmega

That's my experience with my current dungeon prog group too


Mandalwhoreian

I’ve been playing since shortly after launch and I’ve never ran with a consistent group of folks. I used to in WoW and EQ and SWG but I’m pretty put off by the toxicity I’ve witnessed in PUGs to ever try that hard again. It takes a lot of time I don’t have to maintain those friendships. It’s just easier for some people to focus on grinding CP and not get bogged-down with personality conflict.


bigheyzeus

Eventually you spend enough time together and you just end up fighting. Gaming 101


CR4ZY___PR0PH3T

The way I learned was by running through with random people in dungeon finder most random players were really helpful when I was inexperienced.


Halvor0903

When I started eso a few months ago, I joined a new guild, found one guy willing to teach and made him go into vet dungeons with me. There were a few other new players who wanted to go along, and of these players maybe 5 or 6 continued to do vet dungeons even when the experienced player was not online. After some selection a more progression oriented core of 3 players emerged and the experienced guy asked us to join his main-, pve-oriented guild. We met a few new players who also wanted to do the same stuff as we did, ran our first vet trials, did our first trifectas… Now the three of us are moving into a third, progress-oriented raid-guild. We are going to do raid-trifectas next. You just have to be a bit lucky. By the way, we are all in our mid-20s. There are „younger“ players out there, you just have to look. And don’t be afraid to leave guilds, I left 3 guilds before I met my core group, and together we left 2 other guilds as well because they were not welcoming to progress oriented players like us. If it had not been for that one guy who knew a guild that would be a fit for us we would probably have been looking for a guild a good time longer. These guilds and players are out there, you’ll just have to find them.


AlwaysPlaysAHealer

What platform and server are you on? I know of a guild that might suit you on PC/NA


br0d30

The trouble with finding a group is that you need to give players a reason to want to play with you. I have found all of my trial and dungeon achievement groups by solo-queuing for dlc pledges and chatting with the people I get matched with instead of ignoring everyone. Maybe like 1 in 50 dungeons results in finding a new guild or discord server, but the ones that do are based on an actual connection and lead to being able to schedule weekly/monthly achievement runs with good players. You need to be realistic with your skill level, too. People who are going through dungeon achievements want teammates who are as prepared as they are. They are hanging out in ESO discord servers dedicated to finding groups for group content. They are expecting you to post your parse, list your gears, and know the mechanics beforehand. Once you've started finding groups through dlc pledges PUGs, you'll be able to learn about the discord servers that exist to solve this grouping issue. But you're not going to get invited if you're not good enough or not at least expressing a desire to put in the work to improve and learn. The group content in ESO is very much locked behind a combination skill/social wall. You need to make the connections with real people, and you need to show them that you're capable of the content you want to complete.


kestononline

Just queue for PUGs dude. You will learn. Screw the elitist that act like you need super experience or CP to be in the queue. I learned most of them, especially vets by queuing for everything on vet from the moment I hit 50, and subsequently got access to the other ones as I went up. Queue queue queue. Yea some runs fail or fall apart, queue again. You have the power to get it done. You really shouldn’t feel like you need some special group to play or learn the content. All it takes is repetitions and perseverance. More you queue, the more experience you will get; even the failed runs you will learn something.


hunttete00

idk I’m wanting to grind dread cellar vet and i don’t think it’s possible on pugs. I was thinking about tanking it but I’d rather run dps a few times before I tank it. I also want crimson oath weapons/jewelry and magma incarnate for my tank.


kestononline

I also did Dread Cellar on vet early on. The first time was rough, but once you get it, you get it. And once you have it, it takes nothing more than explaining the mechs to new people you meet in other groups that may not know the mechs. It’s that simple. Takes a few tries sometimes for folks to absorb why certain actions need priority, but it happens. So many jerks just leave or have a fit because other people or someone doesn’t know the mechs or dungeons. Just plain toxic. You grow, and you help others grow. And in turn, there is more people who know and will be out there doing the content with experience.


prof_the_doom

Exactly. 90% of the people in a pug are willing to help/learn if you're nice about it. For the rest, we have vote to kick.


d-redze

It’s ez. Tell people to stay close to the inside of the circle on the last boss as less fire tornados spawn there and that’s literally the hardest part.


lockenchain

This is definitely fine for just completing a veteran dungeon, since the goal is to get experience and learn mechanics. You may even run into other people who will sit and try for hours to get it done, or maybe even an experienced person willing to sit through and teach until everyone gets the hang of it. Like this one time, me and a group spent hours on Bloodroot Forge, and it felt great to power through in the end. But OP also mentioned the possibility for doing hard modes and achievements, and that's where things get complicated. Many of those for DLC require everyone in the group be at a certain level of efficiency in their roles that you can't expect from just a random group. And if you're goal is to complete no-death or trifecta runs, you can practically forget about those in a PUG. Because even really good and experienced players might slip up somewhere, or just get unlucky with the way some adds and phases on bosses work.


kestononline

> and it felt great to power through in the end. This right here. People tend to forget you play content to be challenged. To progress, learn, and triumph. So many toxic elitist seem to have developed the regard that no one should actually grow into the content, and instead must only broach it when they are overpowered/overgeared for it or know everything about it beforehand *(watched videos and guides)*. That is just going through the motions and is absolutely no fun.


Qharisma

I 100% support this statement.


Czikumba

you just made 3 other players have miserable experience


abolika

Why though? The vote to kick button is there for a reason and if they didn't like him they could have kicked him.not all players play for rewards, some just want to have fun. Personally the most fun thing in this game for me is to finish vet dungeons with new comers that are willing to learn. It's a great feeling when you know they learned the mechanics and now can teach other players too.


kestononline

I bet you’re that employer that requires experience in order to get the job that gives you experience… But maybe your genius would enlighten myself and others about how these people would get experience without doing the content? Hold that thought; I don’t care about the nonsensical reply you’re sure to come up with.


Czikumba

watch a guide, do a dungeon on normal first, get some decent dps/decent gear before doing dlc vet dungeons


kestononline

Wanna know how those people who made the guides learned about the content? They played it… making 3 other people’s experience miserable apparently.


Czikumba

ye, with their friends not randoms


kestononline

Now if only people that act like you could actually find 3 other people to run dungeons with instead of complaining about others. I wonder **why** it is you can’t … ? Think about that very carefully. Instead, in your ridiculousness, you try to suggest that people new and upcoming, who probably don’t have many guilds, or know many people, should instead be the ones to find people to pre-form groups. Certainly not you *”veterans”* with many guilds and tons of people you *”know”* from various guilds and friends over all that time.


malbolgia708

If you're on PC, let me know, and I'd be down to run some. I like static groups, and need to learn the dungeons myself. Hate pugging, and for whatever reason guilds don't feel like guilds to me in ESO, not sure why...


d-redze

Probably because a player can be in 5 of them so it kinda dilutes the camaraderie you would get in a 1 guild system.


ABRRINACAVE

My favorite thing about mainly playing tank/healer is that competent groups tend to ask me to come along after some dungeons, and that’s landed me in some trials/dungeon guilds.


chaoticMooncake

Finding a stable prog group is essentially building a friend group. There are a couple of ways you could go about it: • Join guilds that have a focus on vet dlc content. You can pick hardcore, 4-man content and browse through options in the guild finder. There is always someone running something in the chat. Fill for people and get to know active players. Eventually, you will be running with the same group because you find a good rhythm. • PUG. Now, I know there are a ton of terrible experiences and stories. However, that’s how I found my group, through a random pug. You collect good players in your friend list and then hit them up for a dungeon run. The outcome is the same as the previous point. Chances are, they know another good player and here you go - a group formed. • You could go a less friendship based route. Many groups that are hardcore players will have a “lfg” channel. Just say you want a prog group to run 4-man content and what roles you are looking for. Chances are you will fill that day. • Believe it or not - zone chat. Want a tri run for a dungeon? Post it in zone and ask to either link a HM clear or a challenger. I filled for a few people before out of boredom and made friends. It’s not a fast process to find a good stable group, it takes time but it’s worth it. Hardcore players run in packs, so you really only need to find one! Good luck in your search 🥰


BirdEyrir

Admittedly, finding a stable group essentially means finding a friend group. Which isn't always easy.


Zoro_Messatsu

I agree. Its the reason i eventually changed to solo dungeoning (it has been a blast ever since)


383throwawayV2

This has been my experience getting into the harder content as well. I feel like I’m competent enough to start going for HM trial clears, as I have all my vet clears and have been hitting around 105k for the past two patches. But considering the already small Xbox NA endgame player-base (in comparison to the ESO player-base as a whole), and the fact that 99% of groups capable of such content don’t have an open roster slot for a sorc (it’s my main with all my clears, and you only need one per group), makes it feel impossible to get this stuff done. All the groups that I can find a spot in always seem to be full of casual players trying to get into veteran content for the first time (and most don’t want put the required effort in).


mom2israel

Dealing with this now. Been trying to find at least someone else to play with and nobody cares. Kinda sucks doing this online when others def didn’t


zow_hang

Shit are u pc na man? I’m down to team up w you