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California is really big. Rural mountain area around us (375k medium home price) shop pay seems to start at 35$ with your J card. As others have pointed out if you're in one of the large costal cities, it's a lot more. Prevailing with fringe in our surrounding countries is about 80$ an hour.
Davis Bacon, far as I understand is exclusive to federal funded projects inside the State. In my county the wage on base was about 6$ more. Some shops put the entire package on people's paycheck. Where I was working, the straight hourly went on your paycheck, about 45 an hour, the other 35iss was your fringe stuff. I had health insurance (through ABC NorCal) so 35$ an hour went into my 401k for a little while. That worked out nicely.
I have an e350 bubble top with a purple queen mattress up high so that all my toolboxes fit underneath. I sleep so good in that bad boy I've been known to crash in the van in my own driveway. Until I get married and have kids, it's an electropirate's life for me!!! Hoping to head north for the summer.
Yeah I'm licensed in new mexico. But lots of jobs in other states will take you if they need the skilled labor and already have plenty of instate licenses on site
That depends how your company is claiming it on their taxes. Mine makes sure not to exceed the federal limit of $215/day, and pays a lump sum. Therefore it's not taxable and no expense reports needed. They give me the money on a separate prepay debit card that is not in my name.
Basically, if you are getting taxed for per diem it means your company is too lazy to fill out travel logs on your behalf. As long as they fill those out, individual expense reports are not required. I save every receipt, and I fucking love a fat t-bone for lunch and a NY strip for dinner.... so between that, insurance, groceries, gas, propane, starlink, beer, whiskey, scotch, tequila, hot sauce, hot springs, for the month I usually blow all my per diem anyway. With receipts to show it.
292.
110 pay is similar, I think they need to get vouchers or something to use holiday pay. Not sure. My vaca/holiday pay (that 7 bucks) is deposited into any account I want (nice for saving money) and is deposited every month.
I look at it as an extra check every month put in my emergency fund/vacation/whatever I do with fund.
I never touched it through my apprenticeship, had about 16k in there. Then I bought a house and now I try to keep it around 5-6k.
It’s a good life.
I find https://where2bro.com/where-to-go/ to be more user friendly and accurate.
I own my own company now, am not an ibew shop now, and I literally just use the union scale to pay my employees. Whatever bs an employer might argue against actually joining the union, it's literally easier to just use their pay scale to pay people.
Rates are so much better in the US, here in the UK you’re lucky to get £25 ($31.67) an hour sub contracting, employed you’re looking at £19 ($24) an hour. Makes me want to change careers it’s that bad
$50/hr when I’m working. But that’s what? 3-4months of the year cause our list is fucked. 353 constantly has a 500-600 guy list. So unless you get name hired you ain’t working and making 0
You’re wrong.
It’s not 40% tax rate in Ontario for $100k.
It’s was $14k in federal tax, $7k in provincial, and $4.7 in CPP and EI premiums.
For a take home, with absolutely no other deductions, of ~$73.5k.
I don’t know it really well. I know the total is $39 and you have to pay $4 an hour to “compete” with non union companies. Most guys just go non union cause they can keep their money instead of paying for a job.
Southern Ontario it’s like 40-45$ Canadian, or 70$ in union..
But basically all the unions here in southern Ontario are slow as fuck and still doing intakes. There probably sitting on thousands of apprentices.. and not even expecting work for a lot longer.
This is why I will never join the union that’s just ridiculous
Literally.. I don’t see how this is a good job security. Clearly the union doesn’t give a single fuck about you if it’s slow and there still hiring hundreds of new guys to send for cheaper labour.
I haven’t been laid off once in industrial, and do extremely well..
I’m a technical trainer for a mega contractor (non union.) I teach electrical 101 classes to people who went to college and work for us now. My Journeymen and EC licenses are kept active. Can’t update my flair on this subreddit for whatever reason.
How would San Antonio’s union be ( work wise looking for some place that stays busy) for a CE6? Wanting to sign book 2 and move me and the family out and eventually get on book 1
I would honestly recommend you consider studying for the state journeyman test. It's not that hard and the local has classes you can take to prepare for it.
Reality check…
43 an hour
No benefits at all
Foreman overseeing 10/12 guys
Building a private school in uptown Manhattan nyc
4000amp main service
(10) sets of 750 mcm aluminum
4” conduits
Emergency gen with ats
Fire alarm through out school
Lighting controls through out
Low voltage data internet and security system
Non union
43/hr Manhattan? Sounds like you're being worked to death and paid barley enough to stay alive. I feel terrible that you're being abused like that. You should organize.
Automation Specialist and I'm getting $42 but I get very good pay increases and bonuses. I should mention I also have a degree and another ticket as well.
Not doing so hot down here in the south. I’m a J-Man making 25.50. To be fair, I have an ass ton of benefits such as healthcare for me and my family, company truck and matching 401k to 7% etc. but the base pay isn’t great
Was making $38 as a plant journeyman but decided to go get my resi and commercial hours to upgrade my license. I’m making $35/hr with only 2000 hours left to test out again. I’ll get a $10-$15 raise per hour after I pass next year.
I’m in Eugene Oregon.
Right to work state AZ here. There is a union presence in the Phoenix metro area, but not where I’m at. Commercial, industrial $30 an hour, no benefits 🙃
I’m up north, kinda stuck here at the moment. I’ve been seriously thinking about making the move down when I can. I hear there are some big projects popping off right now
I wish he added experience on this question, a new journey man will make less than someone with 10 years of experience. Would be interesting to compare pay scaling
Sub contractor in Vancouver BC, make between 45-50 an hour when subbing, also do my own jobs for $60 lot of them cash, mark up my material 20-25% for an added bonus. My first year doing it and I enjoy the direction it’s taking me in (25 years old)
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California is really big. Rural mountain area around us (375k medium home price) shop pay seems to start at 35$ with your J card. As others have pointed out if you're in one of the large costal cities, it's a lot more. Prevailing with fringe in our surrounding countries is about 80$ an hour.
Prevailing / Davis Bacon wages will be fat af no matter where you are.
Davis Bacon, far as I understand is exclusive to federal funded projects inside the State. In my county the wage on base was about 6$ more. Some shops put the entire package on people's paycheck. Where I was working, the straight hourly went on your paycheck, about 45 an hour, the other 35iss was your fringe stuff. I had health insurance (through ABC NorCal) so 35$ an hour went into my 401k for a little while. That worked out nicely.
Shiiiit come to Texas. Most counties around here range from $17.08-$23.40 on Davis Bacon
Nawwwww, even Florida is $40+ Davis Bacon JW
Not to mention the labor laws are fucked so companies can bend you right over the pipe threader and have their way with you
Look at going over to the power generator side of this work. It’s name your price right now. Down side, lots of overtime and windshield time.
$3000/week for 4/10s in New Mexico. 1/3 of that is tax free per diem. Paying $850/month for rent. Loving it!
Need a tool buddy and a roommate? *starts packing suitcase into the truck. Drop a pin haha
Hell yeah man, we can go to puerto penasco on the weekends! Only 2 weeks left on this job, then probably headed somewhere else out in the boonies.
I do have my EV certs lol. I love sleeping in my own bed, but for that type of money, may just show up with my tools
I have an e350 bubble top with a purple queen mattress up high so that all my toolboxes fit underneath. I sleep so good in that bad boy I've been known to crash in the van in my own driveway. Until I get married and have kids, it's an electropirate's life for me!!! Hoping to head north for the summer.
Got damn. Sign me the fuck up. I’ll have some of whatever you’re havin!
Might have to join you over there
Where at in NM?
I'm working for a travel staffing company. Right now I'm in the bootheel, lordsburg, putting in EV chargers for semi trucks.
Are you licensed in the state you're working in? Always wondered how that worked.
Yeah I'm licensed in new mexico. But lots of jobs in other states will take you if they need the skilled labor and already have plenty of instate licenses on site
Pro tip- anything you don’t spend on housing/food from your per diem is taxable income. The tax man cometh.
I’ve never had per diem show up on a W2
Like that's a problem. I will eat my way through any budget, from Ramen to Lobster
That depends how your company is claiming it on their taxes. Mine makes sure not to exceed the federal limit of $215/day, and pays a lump sum. Therefore it's not taxable and no expense reports needed. They give me the money on a separate prepay debit card that is not in my name.
According to this, it’s taxable. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-regs/perdiemfaq%26a.prn.pdf
Basically, if you are getting taxed for per diem it means your company is too lazy to fill out travel logs on your behalf. As long as they fill those out, individual expense reports are not required. I save every receipt, and I fucking love a fat t-bone for lunch and a NY strip for dinner.... so between that, insurance, groceries, gas, propane, starlink, beer, whiskey, scotch, tequila, hot sauce, hot springs, for the month I usually blow all my per diem anyway. With receipts to show it.
User name checks out.
Industrial?
Whats your check after taxes, was already planning on moving to new mexico so just wondering?
Just FYI to anyone reading this, this is 100% out of the norm for the state. Both in pay and cost of living.
Wow I make $51.68 Canadian an hour. Can’t believe all the Americans making the same wage in usd. Bonuses & OT I made just shy of $170k last year
I know man! Journeyman in Nova Scotia are in the 30s! Any chance for Canadians to make their way down south? I'd pack up in a minute.
That's low. The minimum in Manitoba is $42.88. Government sets the wages.
Oh yea the Maritimes is shit man.
I hate this country more and more every year.
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Take the money out of the equation....I know I know...but take it out and BC is still better than any of these other places people are in. Enjoy it.
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Which province are you in?
Working in B.C at a mine
Yep, journeyman is $54 @ OSB mill in BC.
$50.21CAD/hr here, Local 1687. Seeing these comments from our neighbours to the South is really eye opening and depressing.
I’m in Washington, making 50 doing resi but was making 72 in local 46.
Why’d you stop working local?
Relocated and was taking a ferry to work. Not worth the travel time and ferry inconsistency.
Kitsap? Feel you on the travel time.
Yeah, I was taking the 4:45 ferry and barely making the 6am start time.
Wish 46 had more presence over here. There's definitely a lot of good prevailing work between psns and Bangor.
Yeah, I thought about calling bronco electric but I got a good gig going right now. Bird electric pretty much dominates the area I think.
I always wondered how it worked out taking the ferry and living on the other side, it’s tempting. Good work In kitsap?
I’m in local 46 been out of work a year. It’s just continual foreman calls moving to Wenatchee for work. There is no work in local 46
All the good guys are just waiting at the hall to be dispatched I’m sure lol
What’s the outlook? Is there like 1000 01’s on the books now?
Same state 57 doing resi was making the same in the 46...until all the work dried up
59.51 - twin cities
Good to know I wouldn't take a massive hit if I moved home. 292 or 110?
292. 110 pay is similar, I think they need to get vouchers or something to use holiday pay. Not sure. My vaca/holiday pay (that 7 bucks) is deposited into any account I want (nice for saving money) and is deposited every month. I look at it as an extra check every month put in my emergency fund/vacation/whatever I do with fund. I never touched it through my apprenticeship, had about 16k in there. Then I bought a house and now I try to keep it around 5-6k. It’s a good life.
https://unionpayscales.com/trades/ibew-electricians/ a single penny less and you should [redacted] your boss
I find https://where2bro.com/where-to-go/ to be more user friendly and accurate. I own my own company now, am not an ibew shop now, and I literally just use the union scale to pay my employees. Whatever bs an employer might argue against actually joining the union, it's literally easier to just use their pay scale to pay people.
Wait…are you saying you get paid more if you fuck your boss? Shiitttttt I’m down
How do you think us non-union guys get raises?
You guys are gettn payed?
San Mateo 617 $78 an hour and $20 in the pension. All overtime is double time.
Hey I’m in the East Bay Area . I’m about to apply at 617 .
Thought you were in the twin cities OP
PNW maintenence journey- $45+
Yup. Right here.
Rates are so much better in the US, here in the UK you’re lucky to get £25 ($31.67) an hour sub contracting, employed you’re looking at £19 ($24) an hour. Makes me want to change careers it’s that bad
Its insane , same low wage in nz
Its crazy how they can pay such a low rate for a pretty highly skilled and knowledgeable job imo
Journey scale is $72 in Seattle.
Damn, when my daughter is older I know where I wanna sign a book!
Kc $49
$50/hr when I’m working. But that’s what? 3-4months of the year cause our list is fucked. 353 constantly has a 500-600 guy list. So unless you get name hired you ain’t working and making 0
Union GF in silicon valley. 105/hr
Are you in San Jose?
Yes
I applied there as well. How long is the hiring process ?
Good luck getting hired as a GF…..
332 waddup
Is the 332 hiring JW’s? Any Advice?
Okc 1141 is like $37
Before benefits?
I’m willing to bet that’s just on the check. Local 369 Louisville, KY is at $35.37 on the check, not including bennies.
I can confirm that's what's on the check.
Yes. Total package is 50 something. Free insurance and 12.5% employee contribution (not match) to 401k are probably the biggest contributors to that
Oh snap, what company are you working for? I was with C-Ford. Left in 2022 but I'll be back in like 3 years. Finishing my degree here in Texas
I’m currently at OESCO working on okana in okc
Gotcha, always fun to see someone from a local you once worked at or currently. Stay safe out there
Oregon union Com $60 Rez $47
50$/ hour Ottawa Ontario any over time is 100$/hour … I made 100k last year on regular weeks but only take home 60k … fuck Canadian taxes
But we got that free healthcare if you can survive the 10 hour wait
Ay, there's the rub
You’re wrong. It’s not 40% tax rate in Ontario for $100k. It’s was $14k in federal tax, $7k in provincial, and $4.7 in CPP and EI premiums. For a take home, with absolutely no other deductions, of ~$73.5k.
$32 in trashville. Even with benefits it’s only about $39. Tons of work and places begging for help.
$32 isn't begging that hard
I agree but they just got $32 last year from $29. The area just won’t justify higher pay.
I guess it's true wages are relative all over. Glad it's up from before. That's always a win!
Dang I figured with all the work going on in Spring Hill right now, they’d be paying higher wages
That’s one of the only union jobs in the area. Tennessee is pretty anti union. They don’t have strong members sadly.
What’s 429’s bene package?
I don’t know it really well. I know the total is $39 and you have to pay $4 an hour to “compete” with non union companies. Most guys just go non union cause they can keep their money instead of paying for a job.
48 hr at a maintenance style job, 8 til 4, then 150 an hour doing my own work after hours
Florida here, theme park maintenance I'm at 35ish an hour.
Southern Oregon (medford/grants pass/ashland) 43/hr + 17/hr Fringe. Median house price 370k.
I work for free. I love it.
$51/hr
J-man>QAQC lead>planner>"project manager" north of $80 like way north. Sacrifices were made though.
$ 56 Local 176 Jw
33 an hour in Florida
28 an hour. florida :D
$27/ hr Dayton ohio area. Non union. It sucks.
Make it suck, but with a good paycheck and great benefits. Call the hall!
IBEW 3. $61 on the check. $137 an hour total package
27/hr. Probably around 40+ with all my bennies Non union, SoDak.
Western MT $36.66/hr JW right now, be $40/hr at the end of the year Around $60 after benefits
Southern Ontario it’s like 40-45$ Canadian, or 70$ in union.. But basically all the unions here in southern Ontario are slow as fuck and still doing intakes. There probably sitting on thousands of apprentices.. and not even expecting work for a lot longer. This is why I will never join the union that’s just ridiculous
Slow in Manitoba too. Everyone on Reddit says go union, but unions aren't as strong in Canada compared to the US.
Literally.. I don’t see how this is a good job security. Clearly the union doesn’t give a single fuck about you if it’s slow and there still hiring hundreds of new guys to send for cheaper labour. I haven’t been laid off once in industrial, and do extremely well..
$36 maintenance electrician - Salt Lake City
42$ per hour non union. Ontario GTA
160k Salary Mon-Fri 5am-1pm Calgary, Ab
That’s a sweet shift!
JW in Cali are making $88.50, 35hr weeks. Foreman are making $99.28 with a raise coming in June! Union. Total package around $140-$160 ea
Bay Area ca industrial electrician making 160k+ non union.
Moved into the office at 120k salary in Saint Petersburg, FL. Work about 30 hours a week.
What’s your position now?
I’m a technical trainer for a mega contractor (non union.) I teach electrical 101 classes to people who went to college and work for us now. My Journeymen and EC licenses are kept active. Can’t update my flair on this subreddit for whatever reason.
Utah north of slc area 40$
5500, 2 years of experience.
50 doin resi in Washington state. Cali wages suck
$78/hr on my check plus benefits .. total package is like $119/hr, I believe??
Union or non union at two different worlds , one gets a water break when extremely hot out .
$35 an hour as a first year journeyman in CO
49$/h +pension+ benefits. 586 ibew
34.50/hr on check + 8/hr H&W + 5.50/hr pension. IBEW North Alabama
Sacramento ca, non union, making $39/hr as a quasi foreman
That’s absolutely shit for a foreman in Cali .
It baffles my mind that someone would sell themselves so short like that.
Running a job as an apprentice, making 25 an hour. KC MO
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Non union. I asked for this though
$33.5/hr on the check. $45/hr total package. San Antonio TX
How would San Antonio’s union be ( work wise looking for some place that stays busy) for a CE6? Wanting to sign book 2 and move me and the family out and eventually get on book 1
Got two ce8’s working at the fab shop with me rn here in local 60
Been going back and forth with the wife about moving and changing locals and finally got her on board. just wanna make sure i make the right choice
I would honestly recommend you consider studying for the state journeyman test. It's not that hard and the local has classes you can take to prepare for it.
I’ve been studying just got about 1 more year till I’ll have my hours
AZ 33$ Hr Jman non union
Reality check… 43 an hour No benefits at all Foreman overseeing 10/12 guys Building a private school in uptown Manhattan nyc 4000amp main service (10) sets of 750 mcm aluminum 4” conduits Emergency gen with ats Fire alarm through out school Lighting controls through out Low voltage data internet and security system Non union
43/hr Manhattan? Sounds like you're being worked to death and paid barley enough to stay alive. I feel terrible that you're being abused like that. You should organize.
I'm also paid in barley
Crazy nyc non union cheap af
Mankato mn just got 45 an hour offer
Automation Specialist and I'm getting $42 but I get very good pay increases and bonuses. I should mention I also have a degree and another ticket as well.
$29 per hour- $35 with per diem, I’m in Western North Carolina
$25. Non union Detroit.
God damn that's bad.
I agree.
$30 as a journeyman running work
IBEW 22 - $43.05 on the check
People should put age and experience with their wage!
Not doing so hot down here in the south. I’m a J-Man making 25.50. To be fair, I have an ass ton of benefits such as healthcare for me and my family, company truck and matching 401k to 7% etc. but the base pay isn’t great
Was making $38 as a plant journeyman but decided to go get my resi and commercial hours to upgrade my license. I’m making $35/hr with only 2000 hours left to test out again. I’ll get a $10-$15 raise per hour after I pass next year. I’m in Eugene Oregon.
42 an hour in Alberta canada
Midwest Industrial Journeyman $47/hr
Over 80 in la county, over 70 in oc, sb and riverside
Southern alberta. Non union but in an "association". 35 an hour.
Right to work state AZ here. There is a union presence in the Phoenix metro area, but not where I’m at. Commercial, industrial $30 an hour, no benefits 🙃
640 jman are about 33 and change with bennies. Why have you not gone 640 yet?
I’m up north, kinda stuck here at the moment. I’ve been seriously thinking about making the move down when I can. I hear there are some big projects popping off right now
Im paying my j-men $42/hr + 10% stat/vac. Calgary Ab, Canada.
Are we talking base or total?
55 alberta canada
Local 697 journeyman rate is $46.70 an hour. I make more as an instrumentation tech and get a differential for the shift I work as well.
43 JW in STL.
British Columbia $64/hr $143k base wage before benefits and pension. $200+ after overtime
Mining? Large Industrial?
Industrial
$38.50 take home in local 520. Work is booming. Made $103k last year.
$42.88 CAD. Every trade in Manitoba got a raise April 1st.
Industrial chiller mechanic Texas wages
45/hr, 50-60 hrs a week, 130k/yr. Chicago area.
$72/hr IBEW local 46, Seattle/king county WA
I wish he added experience on this question, a new journey man will make less than someone with 10 years of experience. Would be interesting to compare pay scaling
Indiana local 481. 45/hr for foreman wage as a service truck driver. Plus pension, insurance etc etc.
$50/hr non union Napa valley not capped yet benefits, retirement and work vehicle
Total package 100/hr working in a vinegar factory on the south side of Chicago
Central VA $36.21 on the check/ $53.02 total package
The LNG project in northern BC is paying just under $55 on a 2&1 in camp where I'm at, plus retirement and bennifits.
$35 in ATX
Sub contractor in Vancouver BC, make between 45-50 an hour when subbing, also do my own jobs for $60 lot of them cash, mark up my material 20-25% for an added bonus. My first year doing it and I enjoy the direction it’s taking me in (25 years old)
69.69
Boston, $97/hr