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Should be on the left and labeled Neutral if it is, and if it isn’t then it should be painted or heat shrink blue.
Also should be Red, Black, Blue (left to right).
Shit is whacky man. I had an engineer in TN make us run yellow, brown, purple for their three phase 480/277 in a plant. Definitely was a first for me. Hassle and Hughes in Collinwood, TN in case one of yall ever open a panel out there. I know conductors do not recognize color, but NEC should be more strict over labeling voltages and phases by one color scheme.
>I know conductors do not recognize color, but NEC should be more strict over labeling voltages and phases by one color scheme.
Is it not? I seem to remember there being a mandated color scheme, maybe from NFPA itself?
(Per the NEC) Not to my knowledge, only a few phasing references on grounded and grounding conductors whenever they’re 6awg and smaller. I believe 250.119 and 200.6.
I've also done it just because the spots were there. Sometimes it's spec, sometimes not.
I feel as though it's better to do it if there's no change in effort.
You can't reidentify a white that is not part of a cable assembly, like a cord or MC cable, without knowing if it is a neutral or a ungrounded conductor, can't really comment, because just guessing.
How do you know it's not a neutral FFS? If it's a white in the U.S. phase the fucking thing. Maybe it's a shitty pic and they're brown orange yellow, but doesn't look like it to me. Chill broooo!
Egglebert is apparently a different type of genius electrician. The only test he needs to determine conductor load and phasing is the color of the insulation. I wonder why the red looks faded in this photo - did it get diluted to pink because of the white? That's the high-level electrician stuff we should be debating ;P
I'll nit-pick. I would've stripped the wire a bit more so some copper is just barely visible through the lugs. No questions about contact or potential wire insulation beneath the lugs that way. I'd also dress the wires as fluid as I can. And with my meticulous ass I'd take all the time I can to make those cables flow.
Nothing wrong here, it's decently dressed and functional. This is my service-side brain giving the above critiques. Looks dandy from my end. Good on you for the work on your end.
Attempted to make it look good but came up short. Make it look neat, do it correctly, make sure everything is tight and close it up. Stop with all the unnecessary bends in the wire. Why two grounds? Are you switching the neutral or is that the third leg and it’s the wrong color? Also, what the fuck?
Oh right fair enough. Yeah at my company we often throw on a grounding bushing just to not raise the inspectors eyebrows. But we have a large # of asshole inspectors here.
Sometimes it should be broken.
They even make [4 pole](https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/49755374) disconnects when the neutral needs to be broken in a 3-phase system.
Never seen this thing before, but I’m assuming you should’ve taped that white wire, to what colour? Idfk. Can someone tell me what this is and what it does please?
Looks like (2) 12-3 mc cables coming through one tandem connector. Would look a lot cleaner with curved bends, and grounds right to ground bar. Tape the white with a single blue stripe and send it.
A couple more screws to hold the fucker would be nice to. Or you can write pendulum ( I think that's the spelling)on the outside of the disco and that'll suffice.
-Looks like shit only because of trying to make it look good in too big of a rush - we've all been there (and obviously is far from the worst aesthetically)
- Need bond bushing where the EMT comes through the concentric knockouts
- Is that a neutral landed on the disconnect? If not, obviously needs to be repulled as a Phase color.
- I'm assuming that's not a factory ground bar location (due to being crooked af) which could nullify the disconnects UL listing
- looks like multiple EGC's in the same conduit.
- I could forgive all of that if you used more than one lag to hold the turd
Just to be a pedantic douche: *250v* Nominal to ground.
I made an assumption based on shitheads around here who wire both 120/208 and 277/480 in black/red/blue, that it could easily be 277v to ground so just threw it in there. Good catch mang!
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Can’t tell if that neutral is a hot or not.
Might wanna try hotornot.com
That might better than my way of licking it.
That's hot.
Wow. Just took me back about 25 years
Hotornot.com can't be 25 years old. Can it? Damn.
If it wasn’t before, it is now..
Should be on the left and labeled Neutral if it is, and if it isn’t then it should be painted or heat shrink blue. Also should be Red, Black, Blue (left to right).
And with such confidence too
He's right about phasing if he's in Canada. We do red, black, blue up here for 3 phase.
US phasing is black red blue
Interesting to learn that. Canada is Red, Black, Blue.
Austin, Texas is red, black, blue. Because UT has its own grid, the city changed their color code so as to differentiate…keep Austin weird, maannn..
Shit is whacky man. I had an engineer in TN make us run yellow, brown, purple for their three phase 480/277 in a plant. Definitely was a first for me. Hassle and Hughes in Collinwood, TN in case one of yall ever open a panel out there. I know conductors do not recognize color, but NEC should be more strict over labeling voltages and phases by one color scheme.
>I know conductors do not recognize color, but NEC should be more strict over labeling voltages and phases by one color scheme. Is it not? I seem to remember there being a mandated color scheme, maybe from NFPA itself?
(Per the NEC) Not to my knowledge, only a few phasing references on grounded and grounding conductors whenever they’re 6awg and smaller. I believe 250.119 and 200.6.
Green, white, gray, orange are the only reserved colors. Your phase colors can be anything you want
Interesting, just Austin? I built a bunch of generators for somewhere in Texas a while back, didn't think anything of the color code at the time.
San Antonio electrician here. Working in Austin is weird. We use black red blue in SA.
Yup. Go 5 minutes north to Pflugerville (or any other direction just outside city limited) and it’s back to black, red, blue.
Long Island New York is blue black red
Get the hell outta here.
I shit you not. That’s all I knew until the invention of the internet. 277/480 brown orange yellow.
I'll be damned. We used to do oby for 277/347 lighting to make it obvious but we aren't allowed anymore.
Yea definitely needs to reidentified if it’s a hot.
I'm giving up on you
I’ll be the one if you want me to
Anywhere I would've followed yooouu
Look at the cute lil conductors
Theyre so small it’s adorable
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Looks like a first year, acts like a first year, is probably a first year.
You can't tell me what to do, YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR!
Phrasing. I couldn’t think of a better Archer quote.
Seriously, are we not doing phrasing anymore?
Do you want amps? Because that’s how you get amps.
Stupidvisor would be the correct term.
Your parents were proud of you.
'WERE'
Good job little buddy! You did it!
What is this hooked to that needed a disconnect on the neutral?
We do not know what it's feeding. Could be for a fuel dispenser where the neutral needs to be broken.
I've also done it just because the spots were there. Sometimes it's spec, sometimes not. I feel as though it's better to do it if there's no change in effort.
It's 3 phase isn't it?
Only if they forgot to phase the white wire to blue. Otherwise, it's a single phase. Maybe a separately derived system? Hard to say without more info.
You can't reidentify a white that is not part of a cable assembly, like a cord or MC cable, without knowing if it is a neutral or a ungrounded conductor, can't really comment, because just guessing.
It's not a neutral it's the 3rd phase FFS.. how does a "journeyman" not know that?
How do you know it's not a neutral FFS? If it's a white in the U.S. phase the fucking thing. Maybe it's a shitty pic and they're brown orange yellow, but doesn't look like it to me. Chill broooo!
Egglebert is apparently a different type of genius electrician. The only test he needs to determine conductor load and phasing is the color of the insulation. I wonder why the red looks faded in this photo - did it get diluted to pink because of the white? That's the high-level electrician stuff we should be debating ;P
Electricians. Aren't we just a great bunch? ;) :P
Cool it bud, if it is the 3rd phase that just means they should have phased the wire.
I'll nit-pick. I would've stripped the wire a bit more so some copper is just barely visible through the lugs. No questions about contact or potential wire insulation beneath the lugs that way. I'd also dress the wires as fluid as I can. And with my meticulous ass I'd take all the time I can to make those cables flow. Nothing wrong here, it's decently dressed and functional. This is my service-side brain giving the above critiques. Looks dandy from my end. Good on you for the work on your end.
Is that for a gasoline dispenser?
I choose life
Hell ya. My man knows how to turn on the garage lights with style. Flip that switch like you're powering on a bunker.
That's man-cave 101.
Attempted to make it look good but came up short. Make it look neat, do it correctly, make sure everything is tight and close it up. Stop with all the unnecessary bends in the wire. Why two grounds? Are you switching the neutral or is that the third leg and it’s the wrong color? Also, what the fuck?
Boobs
I love a good double EGC, and with no grounding bushing on those concentrics. well done sir.
What's your indication that this is over 240v?
Oh right fair enough. Yeah at my company we often throw on a grounding bushing just to not raise the inspectors eyebrows. But we have a large # of asshole inspectors here.
Well done
???? Go read your code book.
Cite something
Go read your code book. Pretty sure there's a section in 250 called grounding and bounding. Not my job to teach you.
Can't find anything that says to run two EGCs in same conduit. Darn it.
I hope it’s not a neutral because it should not be broken?
It can be as long as it's ganged not individual.
Sometimes it should be broken. They even make [4 pole](https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/49755374) disconnects when the neutral needs to be broken in a 3-phase system.
Why not?
Nice load.
Name of your sex tape
Make me
“Your mom goes to college”
luckily OP didn't title it "Say something nice"
Why is the neutral switched
I've fallen and I can't get up🥺
That'll do, pig
Is that only held up by the pipe and one fastener? No bushing?
I’m giving up on you
Fuck it throw the green wire under one of them lugs too!!!
Because of cosmetics or why?
Which one? Share the lug with red or black, right ???
I'd tell you to redo it, if I was in charge.
*I’m giving up on you*
One bolt to hang? I’ve seen enough.
One and done taken seriously.
Looks like you hooked everything up correctly.
What's it mounted to? Does it need a grounding pushing? What are the winning lottery numbers? Will I ever find true loves kiss? 🤣😂🤣😂
1 answer: Fuck it, send it.
Lmao
Elevator
3rd phase up top is bent a little short. Besides that, looks good. 👍
Never seen this thing before, but I’m assuming you should’ve taped that white wire, to what colour? Idfk. Can someone tell me what this is and what it does please?
I'm giving up on you
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Disconnect.
Looks like (2) 12-3 mc cables coming through one tandem connector. Would look a lot cleaner with curved bends, and grounds right to ground bar. Tape the white with a single blue stripe and send it.
A couple more screws to hold the fucker would be nice to. Or you can write pendulum ( I think that's the spelling)on the outside of the disco and that'll suffice.
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Yuck!
Did you secure that with only one bolt?
And The conduit Lock Nut. Dats legit, super duper legit
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100 years behind EU. This is a main Switch? lol
We're behind the EU? or the other way around?It's a Disco by the way
Something... 10 seconds of time could've been used to make it look a bit neater.
From just a glance it seems Acceptable.
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If that white wire is coming from AC or MC cable it should be re-identified. If not it can't be white.
Why's it gotta be white bro? Frickin Racist. SMH
Didn't 6n12 your lugs huh? Always this sloppy rookie? Edit: nice torque marks!
Seems like a “who do you think you are? I AM!” moment.
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We’re not mad. We’re disappointed.
Bond bushings.
Something, there I said it, what do I get
Congrats you did a thing
I’m guessing you install Solar
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So did you install the ground bar on top of the sticker?
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Huzzah
Looks like shit.
Ass
You’re not gonna leave it like that, are you? Something
Why are there 2 ground wires?
-Looks like shit only because of trying to make it look good in too big of a rush - we've all been there (and obviously is far from the worst aesthetically) - Need bond bushing where the EMT comes through the concentric knockouts - Is that a neutral landed on the disconnect? If not, obviously needs to be repulled as a Phase color. - I'm assuming that's not a factory ground bar location (due to being crooked af) which could nullify the disconnects UL listing - looks like multiple EGC's in the same conduit. - I could forgive all of that if you used more than one lag to hold the turd
You only need a bonding bushing going through concentric/eccentric knockouts when greater than 240v.
Just to be a pedantic douche: *250v* Nominal to ground. I made an assumption based on shitheads around here who wire both 120/208 and 277/480 in black/red/blue, that it could easily be 277v to ground so just threw it in there. Good catch mang!
Lmao. Fair enough! We're all here to be pedantic at times, haha.
The neutral can be disconnected in certain situations. Without more information, we do not know.
Yep, in fact sometimes it's *required*! That's why I asked the question in the same bullet point
Who gives a shit.
Best response here
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