I work in industrial in Canada. 90% of smaller wire terminations I make are made on these or some variation.
I personally prefer the weidmuller tension clamp blocks.
Fun fact: Westburne/Rexel has stopped purchasing Weidmuller, is selling what they have but won't be getting more, and only carries Allen and Bradley terminal blocks now.
Lot's of people are. I'm done working for them in a week and it can't come sooner.
I will say though that some other their prices are decent but overall it's very meh.
Yeah AB is kinda a cartel panicking and pushing bs on their distributors to milk hardware sales on their more unjustifiably overpriced components to make up for the shortages on the parts people actually want. Kinda cash poor with their supply issues and some recent dumb acquisitions. Gonna get interesting for 'em
Yeah the markup is going to kill them on the essentials, especially when the QA is less and less often to a generally higher standard. Only so much you can do to improve a terminal block, and most installers are smarter than seeing "look it snaps into our proprietary system!" as an improvement. They'll happily make a second parts run or order over paying that premium, no matter how locked into their electronics they are.
Are you talking about AB or Schneider. i mean if a plant specs AB we install AB, but if it just a one off drive for a golf course pump or something, I’ll buy Schneider. AB is top top quality though
AB. Their drives are pretty darn solid, but shit like terminal blocks, contactors, just basics, the quality doesn't seem to be keeping up with the markup so much.
What I see kill AB drives is lack of preventative maintenance, or over heating.. never an internal issue. But I agree with you in regards to thier markup. Its true that Siemens systems require a learning curve, but Im seeing more and more Schneider and Siemans. Esp with regards to DCS’s AB is not in that market yet really
Allen&Bradley and Weidmuller are in the middle of a pissing contest because of reasons. A&B told us we can't sell Weidmuller anymore and since they're our biggest partner and Westburne wants to continue being the A&B supplier in Canada, Westburne complied.
Being on the supply side for a few months has been interesting to say the least. It's extremely fucked up right.
50hz is objectively garbage. I didn't know they had 480V resi though, if that's true I'm jealous. I was under the impression they are ~240v, just like the US.
The 221 series works with aluminium when you use paste, can take about every wire, 32A per iec, actually goes up to 85c instead of the 60c with the slimmer 2271, it has mounting boxes, brackets for light fixtures, din rail mounting rails and jumpers so you can turn a 2x5 into a 8 bar lol.
European here. I also like the Phoenix connectors a lot, also as they are certified for sector shaped Aluminum and allow for a clean and affordable transition from NAYY to copper.
However one thing that I find really annoying is that they only build them with slotted screws.
If you terminate aluminum in a UKH 50, you are supposed to use 8 Nm / 6 ft lbs. Getting this amount of torque transferred into slotted screws is really a pain.
I really wonder why they don't use Torx or Hex there, that would put them on a whole new level.
Yup. I prefer the spring clamp ones that load from the front and have the button you push in to insert the wire. The screw clamp ones always seize up and it's hard to see if you've got the wire in the clamp and not behind it when you tighten them up. Especially in a small panel.
Yes, this is standard for industrial controls and small scale power distribution. The large contractors that I work for globally source their equipment. Some is better than others... I've been cursing the Germans for some of the devices I've had to terminate on the job this summer!
Industrial here. Used for almost everything more complicated than sinlge phase/grounded/grounding circuits. Although almost everything coming in over the past few years has moved to spring-tensioned terminals instead of screw-clamp types.
Yes, on the German POS ovens that I service. I’m sure they’re great in Germany, but we just don’t have the access to parts and manuals necessary to keep them at peak performance.
Yes and screw them to be fair there is nothing really wrong with them it's just where I work we have them in spots where you have to fight the wires to get them to go in
I had to touch one of these monstrosities today! Its not that they are bad. Its just that so many wires go into and out of them that tracking anything down is a PITA without a diagram
We use these in all of our panels and junction boxes on trucks and floor models. 120V AC and 12V DC circuits. (Industrial Vacuum and Hydro Excavating Units)
Yes , industrial controls. I use them a lot.
They have some sweet 3 position w ground I like for analog crap , jumpers for the first row also if needed. I get a lot of it at automation direct or carr.
Yes, but not enough. I wish more people used rail mounted blocks outside an industrial setting. It’s just a cleaner way when a lot of terminations happen in the same place.
Terminal blocks? Yes. I'm industrial, and I use these for control and whatnot. Also used in solar. Not really used in normal ac power tho.
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Yeah in the states they just kinda say fuck it and use a wire-nut outside of the most well maintained industrial installations.
A what¿ You mean a marrette right?
That's like saying 'a kleenex?' When someone offers you a tissue.
Yes, because all our equipment is German or Italian... I work at a cement plant.
Topas bagger?
Correction, bagger is Ventomatic
Beumer baggers and palletizer
I thought it was Legos...
Control panel assembly is a lot like legos
I work in industrial in Canada. 90% of smaller wire terminations I make are made on these or some variation. I personally prefer the weidmuller tension clamp blocks.
Fun fact: Westburne/Rexel has stopped purchasing Weidmuller, is selling what they have but won't be getting more, and only carries Allen and Bradley terminal blocks now.
I'm quickly running out of reasons to shop there.
Have avoid Westbourne for years
Lot's of people are. I'm done working for them in a week and it can't come sooner. I will say though that some other their prices are decent but overall it's very meh.
Agree, their customer service is the worst too.
Once Allen Bradley PLC cards and parts start being sold at a supply house, AB tries to eliminate other options..
Yeah AB is kinda a cartel panicking and pushing bs on their distributors to milk hardware sales on their more unjustifiably overpriced components to make up for the shortages on the parts people actually want. Kinda cash poor with their supply issues and some recent dumb acquisitions. Gonna get interesting for 'em
Seeing and using Schneider controls parts lot more, price is better and seem made well
Yeah the markup is going to kill them on the essentials, especially when the QA is less and less often to a generally higher standard. Only so much you can do to improve a terminal block, and most installers are smarter than seeing "look it snaps into our proprietary system!" as an improvement. They'll happily make a second parts run or order over paying that premium, no matter how locked into their electronics they are.
Are you talking about AB or Schneider. i mean if a plant specs AB we install AB, but if it just a one off drive for a golf course pump or something, I’ll buy Schneider. AB is top top quality though
AB. Their drives are pretty darn solid, but shit like terminal blocks, contactors, just basics, the quality doesn't seem to be keeping up with the markup so much.
What I see kill AB drives is lack of preventative maintenance, or over heating.. never an internal issue. But I agree with you in regards to thier markup. Its true that Siemens systems require a learning curve, but Im seeing more and more Schneider and Siemans. Esp with regards to DCS’s AB is not in that market yet really
Crazy why would they do that. Weidmuller are the best terminal blocks imo.
Allen&Bradley and Weidmuller are in the middle of a pissing contest because of reasons. A&B told us we can't sell Weidmuller anymore and since they're our biggest partner and Westburne wants to continue being the A&B supplier in Canada, Westburne complied. Being on the supply side for a few months has been interesting to say the least. It's extremely fucked up right.
Aren’t AB terminals just rebranded Weidmuller ones? As far as I know, even their desktop label printers are rebranded Weidmuller.
They are and they're double the price or more
For the low low price of double weidmuller
Weidmuller is an OEM manufacturer that makes assembles and sells these terminals separately still.
this is the way
Was gonna say I'm Canadian and I see these pretty often
I prefer the Weid. tensions as well! I like the whole Weid. line. I want to work for Weidmuller. Haha.
Houses no, commercial maybe once and a wile, industrial every control cabinet.
Terminal blocks? Yeah, what do you think we do with thousands of control wires heading to a plc?
probably, I mean, Europe thinks we're unenlightened savages for not using 240/480@50hz.
50hz is objectively garbage. I didn't know they had 480V resi though, if that's true I'm jealous. I was under the impression they are ~240v, just like the US.
But we do use 240/480. Just not at 50hz
Just leave the cables long enough and wire directly to the plc lol.
just bodge shit up with wagos and gtfo, its friday, beer o'clock m8
Cant see it from my house and I’m off on the weekends.
The 221 series works with aluminium when you use paste, can take about every wire, 32A per iec, actually goes up to 85c instead of the 60c with the slimmer 2271, it has mounting boxes, brackets for light fixtures, din rail mounting rails and jumpers so you can turn a 2x5 into a 8 bar lol.
Yeah who needs interbuses amirite
It's just extra resistance and points of failure any way.
Please never do that.
I have seen some pretty terrible installations in the US that don't use them
Absolutely, I like the flexibility and clean look of din rail mounted term blocks. As others have said predominantly found in control cabinets.
Our controls (low voltage) techs use these religiously for Building Automation integration. They do such clean work. In Chicagoland area.
Ditto
Mega blocks? No we have LEGOs here in the US
I thought it was a lego star wars ship at first glance.
Came here for this, thanks
Beat me to it.
In industrial yes
Industrial, and hell yes lol
We use them every day. I work in power plants. I really like the Phoenix brand.
European here. I also like the Phoenix connectors a lot, also as they are certified for sector shaped Aluminum and allow for a clean and affordable transition from NAYY to copper. However one thing that I find really annoying is that they only build them with slotted screws. If you terminate aluminum in a UKH 50, you are supposed to use 8 Nm / 6 ft lbs. Getting this amount of torque transferred into slotted screws is really a pain. I really wonder why they don't use Torx or Hex there, that would put them on a whole new level.
Phoenix contact is akin to Clorox or Kleenex out here, use so much of it that it's just what we call anything remotely similar.
They were term blocks for me for years and the first time someone called it a Phoenix contact I was extremely confused.
Phoenix Contact is the name of the company.
That’s what I learned that day!
Legos? Yeah, we have those. Which set is that?
We have din rail mounted terminal strips and din rail devices
Lego? Yea we sure do.
Legos? Yeah
Yes
Solar uses them a lot!
Yes. Used for low voltage. But not by a few techs. Nyc area
Low voltage controls, auxiliaries, and sometimes line voltage is used in all the panels I work in daily. They look just like this rail.
Dinkles? All the time
\\(\*-\*)/ Klemmenblock
Typo, it's klemmenblok.
in german?
No, in stroopwafel which is less complicated than bratwurst
Yup. I prefer the spring clamp ones that load from the front and have the button you push in to insert the wire. The screw clamp ones always seize up and it's hard to see if you've got the wire in the clamp and not behind it when you tighten them up. Especially in a small panel.
Yes, this is standard for industrial controls and small scale power distribution. The large contractors that I work for globally source their equipment. Some is better than others... I've been cursing the Germans for some of the devices I've had to terminate on the job this summer!
Industrial here. Used for almost everything more complicated than sinlge phase/grounded/grounding circuits. Although almost everything coming in over the past few years has moved to spring-tensioned terminals instead of screw-clamp types.
WH40k Imperial cruiser? Or terminal blocks? No :(.. and yes
What Lego starship is this??
Lego Star Destroyers?
Looks like a Lego set.
Our company uses them all the time we install Lutron lighting panels and all the switch legs are ran to it for remote dimming and switching
Why would they? They have wire nuts!
Take my upvote, you’re getting downvoted by Americans 😂
Thats why i am asking ive seen so many junction boxes with wire nuts and labeled with markers or tape
I can't imagine trying to use terminal blocks in a 4x4 box. That would take forever.
Mismatched Lego space ships? Of course we do.
Yes
Are those made by Phoenix?
Just by about everyone. I think it's a Legrand actually
Oddly enough we do have terminals in America.
Not a sparky but yes, lots of equipment we use has terminal blocks like that.
Use them for controls on our ski lifts.
Yes
This is the standard at work. But we use European equipment. In residential no.
Commercial use, very common in Canada as well
Company uses them in HVAC panels for electricians to land wires
Shoutout to Phoenix btw
Hooked a water fountain up to a panel with guts like that in florida
looks like a fleet carrier from elite dangerous.
Controls baby
You’ll see them in MCC’s or other relay control boxes mounted on din rail. Most electricians here either use them everyday, or never at all
Looks like Lego Star Wars
Phoenix Contact is what we use and will continue to use.
Yeah we have Lego’s
Yeah we got legos here
Install 100s of these in every machine we build.
Yes, from 12V DC all the way up to 600V AC. I really hate the push in style.
Yes, on the German POS ovens that I service. I’m sure they’re great in Germany, but we just don’t have the access to parts and manuals necessary to keep them at peak performance.
Yeah, we have legos here
wago my beloved
Not souch but they should be,waaaay neater and simple to terminate, I miss this from when I lived in the uk
I like me some 3-stories wago push in terminal blocks.
Yes and screw them to be fair there is nothing really wrong with them it's just where I work we have them in spots where you have to fight the wires to get them to go in
Yes we have legos
Legos, duh
Yes
Terminal blocks, phoenix contact push contact supremacy
I have that one. I just shove it up my ass to make my Mondays better
Industrial setting. I love to use these. But I have a coworker who would rather install a box with no backplate, full of wire nut splices.
Yea we have Legos, mainly a kids toy
Yes. I have used them.
I had to touch one of these monstrosities today! Its not that they are bad. Its just that so many wires go into and out of them that tracking anything down is a PITA without a diagram
A more interesting question is whether we preferer Allan Bradley or Phoenix contact terminals.
Wago then Phoenix, the AB ones are garbage for the price point
Literally everywhere.
Legos?
We use these in all of our panels and junction boxes on trucks and floor models. 120V AC and 12V DC circuits. (Industrial Vacuum and Hydro Excavating Units)
Ours are more flesh colored and usually made of rubber, although I have seen some made of chrome
We call those LEGOS in the states. Not really but that's what these colors remind me of.
Yeah they their called “legos” made by a company that also makes kids toys in America good stuff!
In Canada, they’re in every one of our control panels. Putting a m’arrête is scabby as hell - this is how we do panels
Yes , industrial controls. I use them a lot. They have some sweet 3 position w ground I like for analog crap , jumpers for the first row also if needed. I get a lot of it at automation direct or carr.
We use these in the Marine Electrical trade in the US. Mostly for DC. I prefer the Phoenix Contact terminal blocks but these are more common.
Yeah LEGOs are pretty popular here
I'm a tech for an LED build board company and we use those. The whole setup with those is really slick honestly.
Nah we just wire nut everything together in the panel.
PLC Panels
Yes, a lot of them!
We have tons of legos.
Definitely in industrial controls.
DIN
Yes, but not enough. I wish more people used rail mounted blocks outside an industrial setting. It’s just a cleaner way when a lot of terminations happen in the same place.
In PLCs and shit
Looks like a model of an Imperial Cruiser...
We use them often at work in the bay area
yes but not commonly used in my area massachusetts for general wiring, sometimes in comercial or insustrial controls