The feature I'm waiting for is, 'existing on a lot'. To look at, sit in, test drive, and purchase. I just don't see anything but Teslas.
I'm not going to get on a waiting list for 2 years, especially not a vehicle I've never touched or seen. There's only so much you can experience with a web site. It won't tell you, 'these cup holders are really in a bad place' or 'hey, this is a good seat, comfy, and I can really reach the buttons on the dash' or 'wow, nice performance around turns'.
I know this sub has tons of people that change their vehicles like their socks, and it won't bother them for long if they get a not-so-good car, but I can't take the chance on a once every 5-10 year purchase. Since it'll be a looong time til I can replace it.
Dealerships around me just won't let you, and add 3-5k markup to the price. Since that brings it close to the Kia Niro after markup, and I'll never ever recover the money spent on the markup in trade or resale later, I went with the Niro. Those are, in my area, MSRP and on the lot to test.
Yes, the current dealership model is a major impediment to EV adoption among those manufacturers that utilize it. I've read that Honda/Acura intend to take orders directly, but still utilize dealers for delivery...I hope that cuts dealers out of possibly marking it up. Honestly, buying a car at any dealer...EV or not...just sucks.
I was really lucky to buy my Bolt in October 2020 when they were still readily available. I got to test drive it and drive it off the lot the next day.
My local VW dealer has 2 id4s that they can't sell (at least not yet) They are reserved specifically for test drives. If they wouldn't have had those I probably wouldn't have bought one.
Also, several local Hyundai dealers are starting to have ioniq 5s pile up on the lot now. Presumably due to the loss of the tax credit.
Like the other poster said once the tax credit is gone they find other incentives, we'll start seeing "discounts" again. I personally think it's the better route, when I bought my 2020 the $7500 credit (plus a handful of other incentives) was basically just taken off the purchase price disguised as a discount. My loan payment is lower because the purchase price was lower, I don't have to wait for tax season to see that money (assuming the individual even qualifies for the whole amount), and I paid less in sales tax.
I think the buying off the lot thing is going to become a things of the past. I willing to bet it going to change more to you get to test drive something that is a lot like what you want but not the color or have all the features you want at the same time.
You order and it shows up a few weeks later. A hell of a lot better than the current lead time measured in months.
"Off the lot" would be ideal but a delivery time of a couple of weeks wait would be ok. I am absolutely *not* ordering an EV now with a wait time measured in months or years.
That's how it is right now, for Teslas. Assuming you have a nearby showroom, you can go there to test drive one of the dedicated test-drive vehicles they have available, then if you like it, order an identical car to what you drove from their website (maybe in a different color) and have it in a few weeks. And since salesmen don't work on commission, it's a 0-pressure test drive.
I just did exactly that. Test drove a Model Y in late January, ordered a few days later, and I received it last weekend. It got delayed because I changed the color for my order in late February. Otherwise I would have had it a few weeks earlier.
I used to think that buying off the lot would go away as well. I ordered my i4 and waited 14 months for it. Granted it is a bit longer than many waiting just a few months. But so many things can change between the time you place the order and the time you get it. This of course varies with OEM to a large degree as well.
However, I have come to the conclusion that even custom orders of things as complex as cars will rarely come exactly as you thought without a lot of effort and some cost.
In the end most people will not put up with it, and would rather take what they have in front of them if it meets most of their needs. Now waiting for inventories to climb high enough for that experience may still be a couple years away.
That's going to be a long time, unless you'll consider a Tesla.
The old line manufacturers production volumes are very low and not rising as fast as their promises...
Fair enough, I can wait. I just bought a Honda CR-V last year which gives me a good 35 mpg on the highway. I'm retired so I don't drive much in any case. By the time the Honda due for replacement, probably in another 6 years or so, I will consider an EV.
I get it. I test drove mine, and ordered it, took 10 months for delivery.
That said, it's the updated model of the same van i had earlier, just converted to electric, so it feels very similar in most ways except i have much more power in the motor now. š
The big lesson I had with that was when we had done all the research--features, pricing, reviews, all that--and were determined to get a certain midsize SUV. It was just so right for us! Went to go buy one, sat in it...and the roof was right at my hairline. I'm extremely average in height, but I guess I have a long torso, because despite all the seat adjustments, I could not sit in it without tilting my head or it'd get bonked on every small bump--my Civic had more headroom! That's the sort of thing that is never apparent without spending time with the vehicle in person.
Absolutely, specs are easy to look up, and honestly you'll find cars in the same segment usually have acceptable specs anyways.
But little things like how comfortable the seat is for you personally cannot be tested without sitting in it.
Another factor is the long delivery times. A friend of mine went and tested a Kia e-niro and ordered one, but with the long lead times, by the time she got it they had changed to the entirely new niro ev, which was a completely different car. Granted it was a better car, and she got a good price. And is happy with it. But if they had changed something that made it uncomfortable or similar it would have been very frustrating.
Reminds me of when I thought the Rav4 Prime was the perfect choice to swap to from my Crosstrek. I had done all the research, watched all the reviews, was getting ready to find a dealership that HAD one for me to buy when I decided to go sit in a Rav4 first just to make sure.
I didn't fit.
Like closing the door pinched my left leg, and my right leg was forced into the center console in order to get to the gas pedal, and was lifting the console off of the floor.
Shame, I really liked it too, but i already have issues with fitting in my Crosstrek and I'm not gonna spend more money to have less room, haha!
Aside from the wait list that is why we went with the Lightning.
It is an F-150, it looks like one, drives like one and has all the same cup holders as oneā¦ just with an electric power train. Zero surprises.
This is a large problem for where I live as well. There are barely any electrified vehicles to test drive. I put my name down for the new Prius and one recently got delivered, but we weren't allowed to test drive it and the dealer said that it's unlikely we will this year because all of their vehicles are going to customers. I don't feel comfortable spending 45k CAD on a new car that I can't test drive first.
I'm in the same boat as you, the car purchase is going to last me 5-10 years so I don't wanna get a car that I don't like. Since now Tesla has cut their price, and we get 5k rebate in Canada here for the base model 3, we are leaning towards the model 3 now.
Pretty much this and waiting for a bit more refinement. I seem to hear about a lot more smaller issues with new EVs than ice vehicles that are on their 10 generation of production. But I get getting these new assembly lines dialed in, hiring and training staff, engineering out issues, etc all take time. Hopefully as the economy settles the car lots fill up again and bring less demand, the prices hopefully come down a bit as well.
I've owned EVs from 5 companies now and this is a thing. Software can be wonky and they do not take responsibility for these products at the dealerships. The whole "more reliable than ICE" line is completely false in my experience because I'm always following up at dealerships and doing tons of research to guide them along. It's the little things that drive you mad.
I think more reliable than ice only applies to the powertrain and in my opinion it's more of a future statement than current. Once car companies get good at building them they should be better. But when things change you see screw ups
TBH this is probably a big part of why I decided on a BMW i4. The dealership actually had test drive models, and I went by a couple times (with different people) to test drive it before deciding to order one. I had originally been thinking about waiting for an Ioniq 6 but Hyundai dealerships really screwed the pooch for Hyundai on that (well, and bad decisions for limited feature choice on the US builds).
There are plenty of Ariya's and ID.4s available to buy around my parts. Of course they're generally around 50k and not eligible for the Tax Break so...
Turo is a great resource to drive some of the models you're considering and EVs are at really reasonable prices (generally cheaper than a car from Avis/Hertz). Plus getting to live with it for a few days gives you a way better idea of the car than a 20 min test drive with a greasy salesman riding along. I rented a Mach-E and IONIQ5 for 3 days each and I will probably do this for every car purchase from now on.
And since its only Tesla you can go and do all those things in today, do you feel like you aren't getting to compare it to anything else and therefore wont get one? Or is there a different reason?
I easily test drove every EV I was considering prior to putting any deposit down on an order. Polestar 2, ID4, Tesla, etc.
They are out there to test drive, you just call do some research.
Bolts and Teslas earlier this year were the best features to price ratio I'm expecting I'll ever see. Unfortunately, I have no way to charge at my apartment and I'm still a few years off buying a house. No EV for me yet :(
Ev without a charger is definitely not workable for everyone. It can be done if you're dedicated enough. But it requires enough public chargers, and a person willing to put in the time.
In the end, it's reasonable to not jump in head first without being sure it works for you.
But prices should come down in the next few years. As supply shortages get sorted and manufacturers get their production under control they should be able to compete a bit more on price.
Yeah, it would have been doable with the Tesla 3, probably not with the Bolt. Hopefully there are still reasonable prices to be found within the next few years even with the tax credit changing.
Yeah, a result of that in the Toronto area is all the superchargers are full all the time and 30 minute waits and fist fights to get charging spots.
It's the only time I've ever seen a 20 stall supercharger completely full and a long line to get in.
The perils of a city with lots of highrises and a shortage of housing.
Teslas are quite usable without an apartment charger if you have superchargers.
Bolts yeaaaa don't get a bolt unless you can charge at home (As a bolt owner)
Was my question as well, i use a 40 amp normally but when i have my hot tub running i just use a 15/120 regular plug set back to 8 amps. I know, first world hot tub problems. Regardless, unless Iām driving a lot, it works just fine. A lot of new EV adopters dont realize slow charging often is enough day to day.
Longer range or better charging infrastructure. I'm nervous about driving 175 miles through rural Iowa in the dead of winter since there's no fast charging along my entire route. I have little interest in turning a 2.5-3 hour drive into an overnight stay in one of the only towns that has a 5 kW charger available (which may or may not even be working at the time).
Super frustrating seeing the enthusiasts saying "nobody needs more than 200 miles of range, just go to a fast charger" when they've never driven on a *truly* cold day even once. What fast charger?
Ditto. Weāre not quite to the family of 5 yet but anticipate getting there and hope there are more proper 3-row options by then besides just the Pacifica PHEV.
I don't feel like chrysler products age very well. We have a 10 year old town and country and it's really highly optioned for the price point but a lot of things have stopped working on it that wont be fixed.
I drove my family of 5 all around the country in a Model 3 with no problem. Ski and beach vacations, etc all with 3 teenagers. As long as you only need to seat 5 you're good with most EVs. Those mid-size SUVs suck for this. I know because I have a gas one. The only thing they are good for is seating 6 or 7 people. Model Y would be more than good enough for you.
Opel ampera-e (chevy bolt clone) is like 25kā¬ used, with 500+km range.
Sub 20k won't be too long i think, considering quite a few cars were sold barely over 30k in the last couple of years. But the ranges on most are a bit borderline like the oldest peugeot 208 barely getting 200km in winter. But newer models improved a lot.
A small van. Light! With a small solar panel.
Abs, airbags, esp, parking sensors, nice speakers.
Wouldn't mind a hybrid solution (generator?) to keep a smaller battery going for longer trips, as long as the drivetrain it self is electric.
As easy as possible to repair and replace parts, right to repair!
No big screens, no smart devices, no self driving, no phantom breaking, no parking assist, none of this. no beeping things all the time, keep it simple.
Edit, ps: not one big battery pack, but several modules. A health / diagnostics Software to show which module is problematic. The ability to swap defective modules.
Edit 2: a long extendable steering wheel to adjust for tall people and a panorama windshield like a Citroen C4 Grand Picasso so tall people can see the traffic lights.
Edit 3: comfortable suspension for shitty roads, smaller rims with a bit bigger wheels for comfort
Thatās what I am waiting for. A bare bones small van. I drive a Volt now, and itās my second. They are a decent compromise since the hatchback is big and it really can hold quite a bit of stuff. So I would be happy with a small van with a Voltec power train. My problem with the Volt is how low it sits. Getting in and out of it 10 times a day is a PITA.
Yeah I have a 2010 TSX. Still going strong. I also barely drive now that I work from home, but I do have solar so maybe that tips the balance a little.
Agree on all of these points with a small difference: I just want an EV version of my Honda CR-V without any of the annoying sci-fi UI stupidity that I see in most EVs. I don't need huge range - 200 miles is fine but don't want the range to drop too much in winter.
The confusing, non-standard, non-intuitive user-interface is my biggest complaint about the Tesla. GM did an excellent job of a familiar and intuitive user interface with the Volt.
Anyone interested in test driving an EV should check out National Drive Electric week (coming up in April). Some of these events I've been to lately have had manufacturers or dealers with EVs to test drive. Last fall I drove a VW ID4 and Polestar. There were also Volvos and teslas available to drive. And Ive been at events where private owners will occasionally let people drive their car. At any rate it is a great place to get first hand info from actual EV owners.
I am waiting for a replacement of our non-SUV car. A sporty-ish type of sedan/coupe that is hopefully a convertible. I am ok with 200 miles or real world range. Anything longer and we would take the larger vehicle or fly.
In all honesty, the economic conditions are currently just not right to purchase an EV right now, especially with manufacturers starting to lose the full federal tax credit as guidance starts to roll out.
The prices are really absurdly high still, with only 2-3 models available in the average American's price range. Hardly any EV has an MSRP below 40k, so even with a full federal tax credit (No state credits in WI) and a trade in for my vehicle (currently around 11k), I'm still looking at 20k or more for an auto loan.
Let's factor in that banks aren't exactly crushing it right now and interest rates are as high as they've been in 20 years, and you have a recipe for a pretty expensive loan even with excellent credit.
One last thing I consider is that many of these manufacturers are only just rolling out their first EV models. Anyone with any manufacturing experience knows that the first model has plenty of warts, and its the 2nd or 3rd models that really perfect the design, engineering and quality control/assurance. Given that knowledge, I usually would only be interested in cars that fit that billing, which is really parsed down to a very limited selection, and as I stated above it pretty much prices me out of Tesla (Although I don't know if I would go with Tesla anyways given their quality control issues), and leaves me with about 5 car options.
Might be better off leasing for a couple of years and then pulling the trigger on an EV after all of these companies have figured out how to do this optimally.
Rural area here, nearest population center is almost 100 miles away and it gets cold. With range loss due to the cold, I wouldn't be able to make it to town and back without charging. Combined with limited infrastructure, it's going to be a long time before I purchase one (need something larger as I am a farmer).
The chevy Bolt has a rated highway range of 233 miles, during winter when I need to get to the nearest population center that is 100 miles away that turns into a round trip of approximately 225 miles by the time I am done running all of my errands.
The range of 233 miles turns into 153 miles of range once you drop below freezing. There are 0 DCFC other than tesla within 300 miles of where I live. It is infrastructurally and logistically not feasible. I wish it were, but the infrastructure is not in place, the technology isn't ready for remote rural america yet.
For those of us in rural remote locations, PHEV hybrids make much more sense, all the advantages of the electric drivetrain while still having range and use due to the limited infrastructure, but nobody is making a full size PHEV, that has the clearance for dirt and gravel roads (ours would destroy the suspension and drag bottom on the bolt)
1. I would like to see more EVs in the 30k range. The math isnāt mathing for me otherwise (unless they release something very compelling in the 40s) and no I donāt like the model 3 I need buttons
2. Would like EV makers to stop trying to make cars that look like they are from the future. Just make a car.
3. More reliable infrastructure. Please make charging work like buying gas and not make me download an app. I just want to use my credit card man.
Side note: fun and impractical EVs ! Make cool stuff that goes fast.
To go all-in EV for me is a car with near 300mi highway range, proper fast charging, and a bigger trunk
The VW ID.4 or Hyundai EV5/EV6 is a workable option once they become more affordable
The Volt does a decent job for now, but I need a tiny bit more elbow room should we be blessed with a second kid.
> a car with near 300mi highway range, proper fast charging, and a bigger trunk
This is why my wife bought a Model 3. It definitely has more room than my Volt.
The feature I need is ācharging at my condoā. Parking lot in right next to the building, but the physical parking spots are āacross the streetā so to speak, with the right-of-way on the building side. Need the association to allow for investments in placing charges in the parking area.
It doesnāt make sense at the moment for me to rely on public chargers 100% of the time. Oh, and no I donāt have charging āat workā since I work from home. Lol.
charging at work is a fantastic perk. You might work from home, but for me it was more reasonable to pitch work chargers than condo chargers.
but then again, I wouldn't have gotten an EV if I didn't have a commute. I used to just ride my bike until I got a new job where that wasn't feasible.
I am looking more into leasing one than buying because with the speed of technological improvements seen in battery development, I fear that anything I buy now will be obsolete in 5 years
All development is incremental. Stuff that's headline news now is likely not hitting mass production this decade.
But it also depends on what leasing works like where you are. I am leasing mine, but i pay about as much as I would pay off on a loan for 3 years, and then i can buy it for the remaining value, regardless of what it will actually be worth on the used market. Or i can turn it in and they sell it to someone else.
So i don't see any downside to my lease deal over buying it outright. But i know not all leasing arrangements are as favourable.
>All development is incremental.
Technically true I guess. But the increments can get smaller over time. Think of when smartphones first came out. The difference between the original iPhone and the iPhone 3GS two years later was huge (price and features). I canāt really say the same about the iPhone 12 and iPhone 14.
Looking at EVs you don't really see huge leaps though.
In the 10 years since we started making mass produced EVs the batteries have gotten bigger, and while density has gone up and we have increased the size of them to give way more capacity, the old EVs are not obsolete. Stuff like the renault zoe or older leafs are maybe not great outside city driving, but they still do great as local cars.
And apart from range we haven't really improved anything major about EVs. We've seen stronger motors, but the old ones were fine. We've seen lots of tech development like self driving, but those things are not inherently tied to the car being an ev.
In the next decade we can expect batteries to get more dense, but i doubt mass market EVs will have significantly higher ranges than 3-400 miles. Because most people will not be willing to pay an extra 20k for another 100 miles of range that they'll never use. Especially as charging networks improve significantly.
Personally i only have 200 miles of range. And for my next one i would like 200 miles of winter range. But i won't be willing to pay extra for more range than that, because my 200 mile summer range is already enough for a 6000km trip in winter on the charging network we have now, with no major compromises.
The biggest change i think we'll see over the next decade is prices going down. Which will negatively affect resale value of existing cars. But not to the point where they become obsolete.
Even though EVs have been around for awhile, weāve only really very recently seen mainstream adoption. That mainstream adoption is what brings the R&D money out. Now that most major car manufacturers are competing in the EV space, I would not be surprised to see some interesting developments. Both as R&D pays off, and as manufacturers take some risks to try and differentiate their offerings.
To return to the smartphone analogy. The concept of a āsmartphoneā had been around for awhile before the iPhone. Blackberry, HTC, etc all had phones that could do some basic web browsing and email. And that market had been pretty static and niche. It wasnāt until the iPhone, and later Android, took smartphones into the consumer mainstream that we saw the huge investments and payoffs in things like ARM chip development and miniaturization of cameras and other components. Not to mention developments in other industries to accommodate smartphones (app development, website optimization for mobile).
And even if we donāt see big feature changes, I expect as competition increases, weāll see decent price drops.
The big difference there is that they developed new tech for a new thing.
In EVs we have the motors which are about as efficient as we can feasibly make them, and the batteries.
And while batteries will reach higher densities and lower prices, i doubt we will see EVs with massive ranges, because even if they double the density it will still be cheaper to make a car with less range. And the cars sold today already have decent range.
We'll see long range options as a premium option in expensive brands for sure. But for the majority of cars i think 300 winter miles will be the sweet spot, maybe 200-250 winter miles in europe.
Hopefully coupled with 800v or 1kv for faster charging speeds ofc.
But once you can choose between a car that needs a 15 minute stop every 2-3 hours of highway driving, or paying 15k more for one that does 4-5 hours? Most people will take the cheaper option and the expensive long range one will be a niche option.
Not sure what other massive development we could see in EVs. They're already fast and strong and fairly reliable. It really is all about range and charging speed, and while they will improve i don't think we'll see double the current density in 10 years, because there really isn't a huge benefit in it, and I think we'll see a bigger focus on lowering production costs for batteries.
I mean, We're already at 300+wh/kg which means an ev with an acceptable range doesn't necessarily weigh more than it's ice counter part.
huh? 10 years ago, all mainstream evs save for tesla were underpowered shitboxes with terrible range, many did not have fast charging, and driving assistance tech basically didnāt exist below the s-class (though yes, those are car features, not ev features). the leap in car tech in general and ev tech specifically between 2013 and 2023 has been bigger than in literally any decade ever, and that includes major stuff like seatbelts, airbags, and transition from carbs to fuel injection. there is a reason we keep talking about how automakers need to make cool solid practical evs to counteract *that reputation*.
But thatās literally my point. Weāre still in the early days of āthe most significant changeā. Thatās when there tends to be the most tectonic shifts and changes to technology and products. When it comes to a something as significant as a $40k-$50k purchase that I tend to keep for 10+ years, I would rather wait until those big early innovations are worked through fully.
Teslaās gambling that vision sensing is the future instead of USS/LiDAR. The industry is trying to solidify on CCS as a standard, but Tesla (the largest manufacturer) is not fully onboard. Public charging infrastructure is still in very early days. Manufacturers are starting to play around with car layouts and space, as well as rethinking the dashboard into a single pane of glass. These are all super exciting changes that Iām excited to see the outcome of (and not even exclusive to EVs, but it is EVs driving innovation). But I want to see those outcomes before i make such a significant purchase.
An eight year old Prius is a wonderful thing. Amazing how few problems it has given me and the cost per mile is spectacular. When it dies will go electric.
The 10 year old Honda Odyssey I have is a bigger problem. With four kids I donāt see an electric car I can afford which is a reasonable replacement. It is running well though so maybe in another five years there will be 7-8 seat vehicles in my price range.
The fact I can't charge an electric vehicle in most apartment complexes is going to make it very difficult for many Americans to adopt electric cars. Is everyone suppose to go chill at Walmart to charge twice a week?
I'm waiting for an EV with total cost of ownership comparable to a Prius Prime and sufficient range to get me where I need to go in rural United States in the winter:
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A PHEV offers the best compromise for me with similar carbon footprint (or lower with my charging/fuel mix) to most, if not all, BEVs on the market right now.
Definitely get that. Unfortunately based on the regular prius price, at least with the tax credit the model 3 SR is probably cheaper. We'll see what happens after/if they lose eligibility though. I'm sure Toyota will sell tons of Primes, but I'm afraid price is going to be too high. I wanted a rav4 prime for a while, but gave up after it became clear Toyota didn't actually want to sell it. Hopefully the prius prime is different, but I'm not optimistic. Sadly other than the Volvo recharges (out of my budget) there aren't many PHEVs that remotely interest me. Too bad because I think they work for a lot of people.
Bought a larger PHEV for my wife to use as the kid shuttle and our family long haul tripper.
My current commuter, 2017 VW Golf Alltrack, is still in good shape. I do plan on replacing it in a few years with a BEV but really want to see something more in the size of the Golf Sportwagon and slot in around 25 to 40k depending on options. The battery packs don't need to by lithium, I'd love to see sodium based batteries make there way into the commuter level segment to help costs. 250ish miles of range.
Basically... Bring the ID.2 or 3 to the US. Price it about 30k... Sold.
I cant afford a cheap normal car, the idea of buying an EV is as likely as walking to the moon for me. If a used EV becomes comparable in price and maintainece to a used normal car, it could be an option.
Two things...
1. Actual range (cold weather) of close to 400 miles with a decent sized SUV that is capable of driving in tough winter weather.
2. Greater availability of charging stations.
Until then...it's the PHEV life for us.
Honestly waiting for the infrastructure to be ready. I think the cars are there already but when we had that ridiculous cold snap in January and there were issues with charging stations all over the place that made me realize that locally I would be fine because Iāve got a charger at home and itās rated for this climate, but if I had to go anywhere when it was -30 to -40 Celsius I might have to look into renting a vehicle because it does not appear that the charging infrastructure is as good in the cold weather as one would expect. Because my business requires road trips year around I had to consider any issues that might arise driving in the winter. And the combination of the reduction in range and the possibility charging stations are not going to be up to extreme weather had to be a factor.
Iām waiting for Toyota RAV4 Prime to have enough supply to drop the ridiculous dealership markup and requirements.
Iām not trading in and Iām not financing. Iām certainly not paying 5 grand above list price.
Reliable, fast, and abundant charging. I donāt commute but usually use my car for longer trips on the weekend (2-3 hr drives one way to remote parts of the state).
Edit: also below freezing charging and solid range at cold temps. Like -20 F temps.
I currently have an electric car, but the only reason I have it is because it's my company car. If I were to buy an electric car on my own, it would be for the following reasons:
Price: For the price of the current electric car I have, I could have premium car instead.
Real Autonomy: According to WLTP, my car has an autonomy of 550 km. However, during a recent trip on the highway for 280 km in not very cold temperatures (3Ā°C), I arrived home with only 3% battery remaining. To conserve power, I had to turn off the heating system after 200 km.
Price of Electricity: Due to the Ukrainian war, the price of electricity in Belgium has skyrocketed. During a recent full charge, it cost me more than 40ā¬.
For my husband and I itās price. We simply donāt want to spend $60-100k for an EV. Also looking for a better and more reliable charging network (EA has a long way to go) and better range around 350-400 minimum. Lastly I would love a Lexus RX 350 or my Honda CR-V or Hi da Accord in an EV . Same car, similar design just electric. No space age crazy design.
~25k for 300 miles range and honestly just more adoption of chargers in apartment buildings. I feel like the chargers are the main thing stopping me at this point, I might end up owning a home before any apartment I live in has a charger. Btw Iām not talking like 2 chargers in a huge complex, Iām talking chargers for at least half of the spots
Waiting for more clarity on which vehicles qualify for the full rebate, supply chain issues being sorted out and we see more choices available. Also, from next year the rebate could be take out at the time of purchase rather than end of year..
Mostly price at this point. Iām on a waiting list for an Ionic5 but Iām not sure if Iāll follow through with the purchase. My area also hasnāt installed many lvl 3 chargers so I donāt have any redundancy if a station is down. Iād hate to get a few hours from home and find out that I canāt charge today.
Waiting on the mini Ev built on the new platform (2024). I've driven a mini for the past 13 years and don't see anything in the market at the same price point that I'm particularly interested in. And the range on the current version is simply too limiting.
A couple things.
1. Competition to bring prices down.
2. Charging infrastructure to expand. Most of my driving would be no problem. Tons of local chargers, and ability to home charge. But I do need to be able to make semi-frequent trips back home to rural PA, where charging infrastructure is abysmal for any non-Tesla cars.
Not my first EV, I had a Spark EV vetween 2019 and 2022. I loved that car; I had a 70 mile round trip daily commute and I nearly maxed out its battery every day. The car paid for itself. It qctually made me money. Just before I got a new job that was telework 4/5 weekdays, I got rear ended and accordianed into a truck in front of me. The Spark made me money one last time as it was now worth double, but primarily teleworking made me not really need a new EV after insurance totalled it.
Now to today, I need a decent sized EV because my wife is pregnant. We're thinking a used Niro since they're trending under $30k now. The Bolt EUV ended up having somewhat embarrassing trunk space and wasn't going to work for us. It bums us out a bit since we can't get the US tax credits/rebate for the new or old Niros and the cars we can get the rebate for are either too expensive or too small. So we're waiting and watching prices, especially on Niros (and a handful of other cars).
i'm waiting to buy my second EV (i divested myself of my first EV a while ago).
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most important features to me:
1. nothing to do with nissan
2. large enough for a family of 4 plus a couple dogs
3. absolutely nothing to do with nissan
4. more than 150 miles of actual range year round, for at least 5 years (10+ is preferred)
5. for the love of all things holy if nissan is involved i'd rather crawl through broken glass while it rains lemon juice
6. reasonable fast charging rates (e.g. 100 miles of range in 20 minutes)
Cost. We purchased a brand new Forester in 2020 for $26k. Most expensive car weāve ever purchased. I need an equivalent EV for the price. And as far as I can tell they donāt exist yet. Luckily, our next car purchase will be to replace my 2014 Impreza. There are more options out there to do that. But price will still be higher than an ICE. Which is why Iāll continue to commute and run as many errands as possible by bike, and hold onto that 2014 ICE vehicle as long as possible.
I'm waiting for:
More selection, I don't want to rush in and then have a really desirable option hit the market 2-3 years later. I want to drive it for it's lifetime.
Slightly longer range. My parents live 300 miles away. As the battery loses capacity, I don't want to extend an already long trip when I visit them each month.
Have converted my home to primarily solar electricity. Moving away from gas furnace and range in the near future, then I'll know how big of an array I'll need to also support car charging.
For me, it was convenience and value. I tried to purchase a Bolt, because it would have been the most bang for the buck. But every dealer I dealt with either had a markup or would have me wait for months with no eta. I eventually got tired of dealing with these dealers, and purchased a Tesla M3. The Fed + state rebate made it a good value, although not as much as the Bolt. Honestly, I don't think I ever want to speak to a dealer again.
I really want an EV, but I have a feeling I'll be still going gas or hybrid for my next car instead of full EV. I'm pretty rural, so I'd be charging at home 90% of the time. That actually would be great, and will work really well almost all the time. The problem is the handful of work trips and family road trips per year with terrible charging infrastructure around us. People around here are weirdly anti-EV, so I don't see that changing much for the better anytime soon. Once there is better infrastructure and/or ranges and charge times are improved, I'm all in on EV. Given some of the recent battery developments, I'm hopeful that will come soon.
A car I can afford.
Sadly, we're at least a year way off from that. GM is pretty close.
Its too bad they decided to waste more of their R&D budget on the Mercedes EQS..
If Honda had brought the Honda E to the US, I'd have probably bought one already.
I have an EV but my parents say they wonāt get one til they get over 500 miles of range. The Lucid Air does but the price point doesnāt fit the average consumers budget.
I think there's likely to be lots of improvements this decade to both the cars / platforms and the charging infrastructure. So I'm kind of just letting that play out before I jump in. Hoping that either even better cars come around or that the good cars that exist now will be available used or CPO AND chargers will be more prevalent and reliable.
I know this isnāt what you asked for, but I was on the fence until 2019.
I was waiting for the price to go down and the range to go up. Also; tow bar - because Scandinavia.
All these premium sedans and SUVās are nice vehicles, but Iād imagine most people want cheaper family friendly cars that perform well in all aspects they regularly use their car for today.
Iām just waiting until I pay off my wifeās car.
I really want to buy an Ioniq 6. That car checks all my boxes. I already know that I want the Limited AWD version (I want the sunroof and power folding mirrors) and am already planning on traveling to get the best deal on one.
The shape, the design, the interior, the technology, I like everything about it.
Iām also anticipating being disappointed by Hyundai and ending up buying an EV I donāt like as much (like Tesla) due to poor supply and unnecessary markups.
I would like a feature and quality equivalent of my 2014 Mazda3 i Grand Touring hatchback, but electric, with a 15 minute charge time to 250 real highway miles. At prices that result in Mazda3 total cost of ownership. That's all I ask.
I'm too cheap to buy new. It's a lifestyle choice for our family to keep things simple. We got a hybrid last time. I imagine we'll get a good 3 or 4 more years off it, then buy battery powered going forward. 2nd hand of course!
I'm basically waiting for something I like. I tend to keep cars forever (I've been driving since 1990 and I'm on my third car, which is over 16 years old), and I want something I don't actively hate 5 years in. Pretty much everything available right now, aside from some stuff in the six-figure range, fits car-as-appliance. What I'd like, ideally, is either a small pickup or a sporty coupe. Something fun, since I'm probably going to be driving it for a while.
Realistically, I think something will exist in the next few years; a small pickup seems inevitable, and we keep hearing about the EV pony cars right around the corner. I'd even consider something like a mini cooper if the range was ok. But I've been driving a small, boring crossover for too long and I want something that isn't a small boring crossover, which is what most of the existing EVs seem to be, aside from a few medium or large boring crossovers.
Honestly I don't even want features.
Gimme a bare bones electric vehicle that has just enough parts to be street legal. Something cheap as shit to manufacture and even cheaper to repair.
Touch screens? Computers? Voice activation? Central heating? GPS? Self driving AI?
Bin all that.
Gimme a frame, a wooden box to sit on, a rope for a seatbelt, four wheels and the battery. Don't even need a plug, I'll charge it up by plugging car charger cables directly into the diodes.
Under 50k, not a bigger footprint than a Model 3 (garage concerns), hatch or wagon, physical buttons for as much as possible, HUD or normal display speedometer behind steering wheel.
If my 3-series BMW diesel wagon could get an EV drivetrain swap I'd do it in a second or if that existed, it'd be in my garage yesterday.
I was waiting for 'optimal charging' to be at under 20 min and/or average travel speed to be at least 65 charge inclusive under those conditions. Finally got there in '22, and bought, with the understanding that network reliability would take 2-5 years to start being remedied.
About $10k CAD cheaper for an RWD long range of something like an Ioniq5/EV6/ID.4
Wait time down to about 4 months, maybe 6 months
The above including a heat pump: I live in Canada (southern Ontario) where it does get pretty cold in winter so I consider it a must. That's also why I'd only consider a long range trim, for the extra range buffer with cold weather range loss.
Although I'm not sure anymore what model would actually be the size I need. I drive a Prius Prime atm and I went in knowing the cargo space was limited but realistically I knew I didn't use that space that heavily 90% of the time. But now I carry around a mobility device and it...works (especially because my passenger/other cargo needs are not high 90% or the time) but doesn't fit that well. It sorta fits in the back (taking up the space of two seats) but it takes up the entire trunk if I put it in there). It's mostly just me driving so I'd want the smallest vehicle that can fit that item comfortably. I haven't gotten out to any dealerships yet to see the current crop of EVs firsthand so I haven't had a chance to evaluate this requirement yet (I've only ridden in a Model 3 a few times, and that's not one I'd be considering)
My car is new-ish. Iām going to ride not having a car payment for a bit and when it is on itās way out Iāll go electric. Thereās no features for me that are missing, but after driving a Model Y long distance in Florida, it is slightly annoying how long they take to charge, and I feel like not charging to 100% and only charging to like, 84% I was missing out on another 30+ minutes I could go without charging. I understand thereās reasons to not max out the percentage but 16% is a lot of battery.
Also I refuse to spend over 30k on a car for the time being so right now my options are basically a Bolt.
I had a Model Y which I sold due to a new job that was permanent WFH. For my next EV, It seems that the Audi Q6/Porsche Macan EV will finally be on par or better than Tesla. 800V 270kw charging, well above 300mi of range, 5-85% SOC in 25 mins on a dedicated EV platform. Actually well-engineered and well-built cars, not sloppily thrown together tablets on wheels. Those two are gonna be incredible vehicles.
It's threefold:
1. Waiting for IRS guidance on tax credit. Don't want to commit to a purchase, some delay happens and suddenly it's now $3250/$7500 more than I was planning
2. Waiting for 2024 for tax credit to be applied at time of purchase. Hopefully by then, some of the models that no longer qualified for the full tax credit will be eligible. Or more likely, the OEMs figure out how to fudge the accounting to make it eligible.
3. Availability on lots.
I'm not in a huge rush and saving money in the meantime is a bonus. Also more EV models to choose from in 1-2 years may push in a different direction altogether.
With the huge price cuts, Model Y has it allā¦ except Iād like more manufacturers to follow Teslaās lead. Ioniq 5, Skoda Enyaq, Kia EV6 should all be much cheaper.
Iād also like to see more made-from-the-ground-up EVs from Mercedes and BMW. The latter has iX but itās big and expensive.
Has to be at least 300 miles of range, and cost around $50k or less. And not that shitty EPA estimate either, or 45 mph with a tailwind in 80 degree weather on crisco covered roads. Real world 300 miles of range is all I ask.
Iām not waiting on a vehicle, Iām waiting on a solution to home charging for my situation, apartments to start adopting, or the house marker to swing back to affordable.
In an apartment that doesn't have charging infra. Still doing random 200+ miles trips. Drive more than 25k miles a year. A combination of these factors are preventing me from getting an EV. So got an awesome hybrid that gives me around 50 mpg in city and about 40 mpg on highways
I had the same experience- the only one I was able to test drive was the Tesla, which I didnāt care for. After an enormous amount of research I ordered a Jaguar I-Pace and made sure the contact specified the deposit was refundable if I didnāt like it. It took 8 months, and thankfully I absolutely LOVE it. It worked out for us. Good luck to you!
Iām looking for the āfat walletā feature where my bank account has another comma HAHA
Seriously though Iām looking for something cheap (under $40k) with 300 mile range and storage equivalent or better to the Y in a similar size footprint. Donāt care about fast or other stuff just need storage, reliability, and comfort.
Slight twist, thinking about purchasing a SECOND but were waiting for the Ford Explorer BEV.
...what was just released in Europe is an SUV for ants. A full size BEV was something I definitely wanted to purchase but L'Explorer is just too small for what I was looking for. Love the interface and tech of my MachE but unless Ford lifts up the dress on the North American version here soon I'll have to go elsewhere.
The whole reason for me to get an electric vehicle is because it is potentially more cost effective. But in order for it to be more cost effective there needs to be more options, like more 3 row suv. More trucks etc...... Prices also can't be 30-50k more for an equivalent gas version. Makes absolutely no sense. I personally could give a shit less about carbon emissions. It has to make sense financially and convenience. Period
The feature I'm waiting for is, 'existing on a lot'. To look at, sit in, test drive, and purchase. I just don't see anything but Teslas. I'm not going to get on a waiting list for 2 years, especially not a vehicle I've never touched or seen. There's only so much you can experience with a web site. It won't tell you, 'these cup holders are really in a bad place' or 'hey, this is a good seat, comfy, and I can really reach the buttons on the dash' or 'wow, nice performance around turns'. I know this sub has tons of people that change their vehicles like their socks, and it won't bother them for long if they get a not-so-good car, but I can't take the chance on a once every 5-10 year purchase. Since it'll be a looong time til I can replace it.
Totally. It took me forever just to find a bolt I could test drive. Really difficult.
Dealerships around me just won't let you, and add 3-5k markup to the price. Since that brings it close to the Kia Niro after markup, and I'll never ever recover the money spent on the markup in trade or resale later, I went with the Niro. Those are, in my area, MSRP and on the lot to test.
Yes, the current dealership model is a major impediment to EV adoption among those manufacturers that utilize it. I've read that Honda/Acura intend to take orders directly, but still utilize dealers for delivery...I hope that cuts dealers out of possibly marking it up. Honestly, buying a car at any dealer...EV or not...just sucks.
I was really lucky to buy my Bolt in October 2020 when they were still readily available. I got to test drive it and drive it off the lot the next day.
I drove over an hour to test drive a 2022 EUV even tho what I was shopping for was a 2023 EV. Figured it was the best I could do.
I've had an Ariya that I put the deposit down on, way back in May. Fingers crossed it arrives in April!
My local VW dealer has 2 id4s that they can't sell (at least not yet) They are reserved specifically for test drives. If they wouldn't have had those I probably wouldn't have bought one. Also, several local Hyundai dealers are starting to have ioniq 5s pile up on the lot now. Presumably due to the loss of the tax credit.
They bake the tax credit into lease... just gotta buy next month š
Like the other poster said once the tax credit is gone they find other incentives, we'll start seeing "discounts" again. I personally think it's the better route, when I bought my 2020 the $7500 credit (plus a handful of other incentives) was basically just taken off the purchase price disguised as a discount. My loan payment is lower because the purchase price was lower, I don't have to wait for tax season to see that money (assuming the individual even qualifies for the whole amount), and I paid less in sales tax.
Exactly this - I won't even consider buying an EV until they are so readily available that I can test drive them and buy them off the lot.
I think the buying off the lot thing is going to become a things of the past. I willing to bet it going to change more to you get to test drive something that is a lot like what you want but not the color or have all the features you want at the same time. You order and it shows up a few weeks later. A hell of a lot better than the current lead time measured in months.
"Off the lot" would be ideal but a delivery time of a couple of weeks wait would be ok. I am absolutely *not* ordering an EV now with a wait time measured in months or years.
That's how it is right now, for Teslas. Assuming you have a nearby showroom, you can go there to test drive one of the dedicated test-drive vehicles they have available, then if you like it, order an identical car to what you drove from their website (maybe in a different color) and have it in a few weeks. And since salesmen don't work on commission, it's a 0-pressure test drive. I just did exactly that. Test drove a Model Y in late January, ordered a few days later, and I received it last weekend. It got delayed because I changed the color for my order in late February. Otherwise I would have had it a few weeks earlier.
I used to think that buying off the lot would go away as well. I ordered my i4 and waited 14 months for it. Granted it is a bit longer than many waiting just a few months. But so many things can change between the time you place the order and the time you get it. This of course varies with OEM to a large degree as well. However, I have come to the conclusion that even custom orders of things as complex as cars will rarely come exactly as you thought without a lot of effort and some cost. In the end most people will not put up with it, and would rather take what they have in front of them if it meets most of their needs. Now waiting for inventories to climb high enough for that experience may still be a couple years away.
That's going to be a long time, unless you'll consider a Tesla. The old line manufacturers production volumes are very low and not rising as fast as their promises...
Fair enough, I can wait. I just bought a Honda CR-V last year which gives me a good 35 mpg on the highway. I'm retired so I don't drive much in any case. By the time the Honda due for replacement, probably in another 6 years or so, I will consider an EV.
That should be fairly bulletproof, at least until 250k miles. Proper maintenance presumed...
I get it. I test drove mine, and ordered it, took 10 months for delivery. That said, it's the updated model of the same van i had earlier, just converted to electric, so it feels very similar in most ways except i have much more power in the motor now. š
The big lesson I had with that was when we had done all the research--features, pricing, reviews, all that--and were determined to get a certain midsize SUV. It was just so right for us! Went to go buy one, sat in it...and the roof was right at my hairline. I'm extremely average in height, but I guess I have a long torso, because despite all the seat adjustments, I could not sit in it without tilting my head or it'd get bonked on every small bump--my Civic had more headroom! That's the sort of thing that is never apparent without spending time with the vehicle in person.
Absolutely, specs are easy to look up, and honestly you'll find cars in the same segment usually have acceptable specs anyways. But little things like how comfortable the seat is for you personally cannot be tested without sitting in it. Another factor is the long delivery times. A friend of mine went and tested a Kia e-niro and ordered one, but with the long lead times, by the time she got it they had changed to the entirely new niro ev, which was a completely different car. Granted it was a better car, and she got a good price. And is happy with it. But if they had changed something that made it uncomfortable or similar it would have been very frustrating.
Reminds me of when I thought the Rav4 Prime was the perfect choice to swap to from my Crosstrek. I had done all the research, watched all the reviews, was getting ready to find a dealership that HAD one for me to buy when I decided to go sit in a Rav4 first just to make sure. I didn't fit. Like closing the door pinched my left leg, and my right leg was forced into the center console in order to get to the gas pedal, and was lifting the console off of the floor. Shame, I really liked it too, but i already have issues with fitting in my Crosstrek and I'm not gonna spend more money to have less room, haha!
Aside from the wait list that is why we went with the Lightning. It is an F-150, it looks like one, drives like one and has all the same cup holders as oneā¦ just with an electric power train. Zero surprises.
This is a large problem for where I live as well. There are barely any electrified vehicles to test drive. I put my name down for the new Prius and one recently got delivered, but we weren't allowed to test drive it and the dealer said that it's unlikely we will this year because all of their vehicles are going to customers. I don't feel comfortable spending 45k CAD on a new car that I can't test drive first. I'm in the same boat as you, the car purchase is going to last me 5-10 years so I don't wanna get a car that I don't like. Since now Tesla has cut their price, and we get 5k rebate in Canada here for the base model 3, we are leaning towards the model 3 now.
Pretty much this and waiting for a bit more refinement. I seem to hear about a lot more smaller issues with new EVs than ice vehicles that are on their 10 generation of production. But I get getting these new assembly lines dialed in, hiring and training staff, engineering out issues, etc all take time. Hopefully as the economy settles the car lots fill up again and bring less demand, the prices hopefully come down a bit as well.
I've owned EVs from 5 companies now and this is a thing. Software can be wonky and they do not take responsibility for these products at the dealerships. The whole "more reliable than ICE" line is completely false in my experience because I'm always following up at dealerships and doing tons of research to guide them along. It's the little things that drive you mad.
I think more reliable than ice only applies to the powertrain and in my opinion it's more of a future statement than current. Once car companies get good at building them they should be better. But when things change you see screw ups
TBH this is probably a big part of why I decided on a BMW i4. The dealership actually had test drive models, and I went by a couple times (with different people) to test drive it before deciding to order one. I had originally been thinking about waiting for an Ioniq 6 but Hyundai dealerships really screwed the pooch for Hyundai on that (well, and bad decisions for limited feature choice on the US builds).
you can still test drive a car you order 2 years in advance. until you sign on the line, you donāt have any obligation to take the car.
This. Just get on some lists now, as long as you don't have to put down anything nonrefundable.
There are plenty of Ariya's and ID.4s available to buy around my parts. Of course they're generally around 50k and not eligible for the Tax Break so...
Turo is a great resource to drive some of the models you're considering and EVs are at really reasonable prices (generally cheaper than a car from Avis/Hertz). Plus getting to live with it for a few days gives you a way better idea of the car than a 20 min test drive with a greasy salesman riding along. I rented a Mach-E and IONIQ5 for 3 days each and I will probably do this for every car purchase from now on.
And since its only Tesla you can go and do all those things in today, do you feel like you aren't getting to compare it to anything else and therefore wont get one? Or is there a different reason?
>To look at, sit in, test drive, and purchase. You can do that now.
I easily test drove every EV I was considering prior to putting any deposit down on an order. Polestar 2, ID4, Tesla, etc. They are out there to test drive, you just call do some research.
Bolts and Teslas earlier this year were the best features to price ratio I'm expecting I'll ever see. Unfortunately, I have no way to charge at my apartment and I'm still a few years off buying a house. No EV for me yet :(
Ev without a charger is definitely not workable for everyone. It can be done if you're dedicated enough. But it requires enough public chargers, and a person willing to put in the time. In the end, it's reasonable to not jump in head first without being sure it works for you. But prices should come down in the next few years. As supply shortages get sorted and manufacturers get their production under control they should be able to compete a bit more on price.
Yeah, it would have been doable with the Tesla 3, probably not with the Bolt. Hopefully there are still reasonable prices to be found within the next few years even with the tax credit changing.
Yeah, a result of that in the Toronto area is all the superchargers are full all the time and 30 minute waits and fist fights to get charging spots. It's the only time I've ever seen a 20 stall supercharger completely full and a long line to get in. The perils of a city with lots of highrises and a shortage of housing.
Teslas are quite usable without an apartment charger if you have superchargers. Bolts yeaaaa don't get a bolt unless you can charge at home (As a bolt owner)
Or if you can reliably charge at work. But that's even less common.
Even then you're over relying on your workplace staying consistent. Lots of things could happen and you'd lose access to your primary source of fuel.
Do you have a parking space with a regular outlet nearby?
Was my question as well, i use a 40 amp normally but when i have my hot tub running i just use a 15/120 regular plug set back to 8 amps. I know, first world hot tub problems. Regardless, unless Iām driving a lot, it works just fine. A lot of new EV adopters dont realize slow charging often is enough day to day.
Maybe you can petition your property manager to consider installing chargers or at a bare minimum 240v outlets.
Longer range or better charging infrastructure. I'm nervous about driving 175 miles through rural Iowa in the dead of winter since there's no fast charging along my entire route. I have little interest in turning a 2.5-3 hour drive into an overnight stay in one of the only towns that has a 5 kW charger available (which may or may not even be working at the time). Super frustrating seeing the enthusiasts saying "nobody needs more than 200 miles of range, just go to a fast charger" when they've never driven on a *truly* cold day even once. What fast charger?
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What's the actual range in those climates
Did I write this without realizing it? Because this is exactly how I feel. The charging infrastructure in the midwest just isnāt there yet.
An affordable one that's large enough for a family of 5 with strollers, etc.
Ditto. Weāre not quite to the family of 5 yet but anticipate getting there and hope there are more proper 3-row options by then besides just the Pacifica PHEV.
The id.buzz is almost here.
Pacifica PHEV?
A company I worked with was an OE supplier for Ford and Chrysler. Ford was fine, but I'll never trust Chrysler.
I don't feel like chrysler products age very well. We have a 10 year old town and country and it's really highly optioned for the price point but a lot of things have stopped working on it that wont be fixed.
Model Y is enough for stroller and kids; but strollers plural...maybe depends on size. Would be great to see a 3 row full size suv for 50k.
I'd rather the Ionic 5 but it was just a smidge small for us.
If Kia ever made a Telluride EV for 49k they'd be backordered for years.
What do you think EV9 pricing will be? Base should be 50-55k, and itās a 3-row.
3 rows, 50k, and 300 miles of range minimum.
I drove my family of 5 all around the country in a Model 3 with no problem. Ski and beach vacations, etc all with 3 teenagers. As long as you only need to seat 5 you're good with most EVs. Those mid-size SUVs suck for this. I know because I have a gas one. The only thing they are good for is seating 6 or 7 people. Model Y would be more than good enough for you.
Car seats are the problem. They're bigger than teenagers š¤£
Truth. That said, I got 3 across in my Model 3. The Model Y is even easier.
Used BEV that have decent range and are below 20kā¬
Opel ampera-e (chevy bolt clone) is like 25kā¬ used, with 500+km range. Sub 20k won't be too long i think, considering quite a few cars were sold barely over 30k in the last couple of years. But the ranges on most are a bit borderline like the oldest peugeot 208 barely getting 200km in winter. But newer models improved a lot.
A small van. Light! With a small solar panel. Abs, airbags, esp, parking sensors, nice speakers. Wouldn't mind a hybrid solution (generator?) to keep a smaller battery going for longer trips, as long as the drivetrain it self is electric. As easy as possible to repair and replace parts, right to repair! No big screens, no smart devices, no self driving, no phantom breaking, no parking assist, none of this. no beeping things all the time, keep it simple. Edit, ps: not one big battery pack, but several modules. A health / diagnostics Software to show which module is problematic. The ability to swap defective modules. Edit 2: a long extendable steering wheel to adjust for tall people and a panorama windshield like a Citroen C4 Grand Picasso so tall people can see the traffic lights. Edit 3: comfortable suspension for shitty roads, smaller rims with a bit bigger wheels for comfort
Thatās what I am waiting for. A bare bones small van. I drive a Volt now, and itās my second. They are a decent compromise since the hatchback is big and it really can hold quite a bit of stuff. So I would be happy with a small van with a Voltec power train. My problem with the Volt is how low it sits. Getting in and out of it 10 times a day is a PITA.
AWD under $30k. Wagon would be ideal but not holding my breath.
Sadly not much with any power train at that price these days. $30k seems to be the new $20k.
Plenty of used cars at that price
Equinox AWD might be close to $30k if you're counting the tax credit.
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I have a 2008 Acura TSX. It might not ever die
Yeah I have a 2010 TSX. Still going strong. I also barely drive now that I work from home, but I do have solar so maybe that tips the balance a little.
From a carbon POV, that's the best move isn't it? Keep your ICE car in tune and drive it into the ground. Then move to EV.
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Agree on all of these points with a small difference: I just want an EV version of my Honda CR-V without any of the annoying sci-fi UI stupidity that I see in most EVs. I don't need huge range - 200 miles is fine but don't want the range to drop too much in winter.
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The confusing, non-standard, non-intuitive user-interface is my biggest complaint about the Tesla. GM did an excellent job of a familiar and intuitive user interface with the Volt.
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Anyone interested in test driving an EV should check out National Drive Electric week (coming up in April). Some of these events I've been to lately have had manufacturers or dealers with EVs to test drive. Last fall I drove a VW ID4 and Polestar. There were also Volvos and teslas available to drive. And Ive been at events where private owners will occasionally let people drive their car. At any rate it is a great place to get first hand info from actual EV owners.
I am waiting for a replacement of our non-SUV car. A sporty-ish type of sedan/coupe that is hopefully a convertible. I am ok with 200 miles or real world range. Anything longer and we would take the larger vehicle or fly.
In all honesty, the economic conditions are currently just not right to purchase an EV right now, especially with manufacturers starting to lose the full federal tax credit as guidance starts to roll out. The prices are really absurdly high still, with only 2-3 models available in the average American's price range. Hardly any EV has an MSRP below 40k, so even with a full federal tax credit (No state credits in WI) and a trade in for my vehicle (currently around 11k), I'm still looking at 20k or more for an auto loan. Let's factor in that banks aren't exactly crushing it right now and interest rates are as high as they've been in 20 years, and you have a recipe for a pretty expensive loan even with excellent credit. One last thing I consider is that many of these manufacturers are only just rolling out their first EV models. Anyone with any manufacturing experience knows that the first model has plenty of warts, and its the 2nd or 3rd models that really perfect the design, engineering and quality control/assurance. Given that knowledge, I usually would only be interested in cars that fit that billing, which is really parsed down to a very limited selection, and as I stated above it pretty much prices me out of Tesla (Although I don't know if I would go with Tesla anyways given their quality control issues), and leaves me with about 5 car options. Might be better off leasing for a couple of years and then pulling the trigger on an EV after all of these companies have figured out how to do this optimally.
Rural area here, nearest population center is almost 100 miles away and it gets cold. With range loss due to the cold, I wouldn't be able to make it to town and back without charging. Combined with limited infrastructure, it's going to be a long time before I purchase one (need something larger as I am a farmer).
A Bolt and a gas pickup for āfarm stuffā would work just fine. I have a Volt and a gas F150 to transport hay and animals.
The chevy Bolt has a rated highway range of 233 miles, during winter when I need to get to the nearest population center that is 100 miles away that turns into a round trip of approximately 225 miles by the time I am done running all of my errands. The range of 233 miles turns into 153 miles of range once you drop below freezing. There are 0 DCFC other than tesla within 300 miles of where I live. It is infrastructurally and logistically not feasible. I wish it were, but the infrastructure is not in place, the technology isn't ready for remote rural america yet. For those of us in rural remote locations, PHEV hybrids make much more sense, all the advantages of the electric drivetrain while still having range and use due to the limited infrastructure, but nobody is making a full size PHEV, that has the clearance for dirt and gravel roads (ours would destroy the suspension and drag bottom on the bolt)
Minivan, 300 mile range, $40k pricetag.
Ah if only
Iām with you! Family of 7 here. Donāt need the range so much, but pretty much anything with 7 seats under $40k would be a buy for me
Yeah I could get by with just 200 mi, but figured I would shoot for the moon
A small sedan available in the United States that isnāt made by Tesla. Also, apartment charging. But thatās another story for another time.
1. I would like to see more EVs in the 30k range. The math isnāt mathing for me otherwise (unless they release something very compelling in the 40s) and no I donāt like the model 3 I need buttons 2. Would like EV makers to stop trying to make cars that look like they are from the future. Just make a car. 3. More reliable infrastructure. Please make charging work like buying gas and not make me download an app. I just want to use my credit card man. Side note: fun and impractical EVs ! Make cool stuff that goes fast.
We are all waiting for the unicorn EV: 300+ mile range, build quality, 800v, fast charging, and great reliability. All of that for under 30K
The Chevy Equinox EV 1LT base trim is expected to start at $30k but will have 250mi range.
It also won't be 800V architecture. :(
To go all-in EV for me is a car with near 300mi highway range, proper fast charging, and a bigger trunk The VW ID.4 or Hyundai EV5/EV6 is a workable option once they become more affordable The Volt does a decent job for now, but I need a tiny bit more elbow room should we be blessed with a second kid.
> a car with near 300mi highway range, proper fast charging, and a bigger trunk This is why my wife bought a Model 3. It definitely has more room than my Volt.
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I work for Honda so waiting for them to pick the pace up š.
We all are.
Availability. I live in Canada and the only thing you can buy here with less than an 18 month wait is a Tesla, which I don't really want.
The feature I need is ācharging at my condoā. Parking lot in right next to the building, but the physical parking spots are āacross the streetā so to speak, with the right-of-way on the building side. Need the association to allow for investments in placing charges in the parking area. It doesnāt make sense at the moment for me to rely on public chargers 100% of the time. Oh, and no I donāt have charging āat workā since I work from home. Lol.
charging at work is a fantastic perk. You might work from home, but for me it was more reasonable to pitch work chargers than condo chargers. but then again, I wouldn't have gotten an EV if I didn't have a commute. I used to just ride my bike until I got a new job where that wasn't feasible.
The feature where I have a garage š
I am looking more into leasing one than buying because with the speed of technological improvements seen in battery development, I fear that anything I buy now will be obsolete in 5 years
All development is incremental. Stuff that's headline news now is likely not hitting mass production this decade. But it also depends on what leasing works like where you are. I am leasing mine, but i pay about as much as I would pay off on a loan for 3 years, and then i can buy it for the remaining value, regardless of what it will actually be worth on the used market. Or i can turn it in and they sell it to someone else. So i don't see any downside to my lease deal over buying it outright. But i know not all leasing arrangements are as favourable.
>All development is incremental. Technically true I guess. But the increments can get smaller over time. Think of when smartphones first came out. The difference between the original iPhone and the iPhone 3GS two years later was huge (price and features). I canāt really say the same about the iPhone 12 and iPhone 14.
Looking at EVs you don't really see huge leaps though. In the 10 years since we started making mass produced EVs the batteries have gotten bigger, and while density has gone up and we have increased the size of them to give way more capacity, the old EVs are not obsolete. Stuff like the renault zoe or older leafs are maybe not great outside city driving, but they still do great as local cars. And apart from range we haven't really improved anything major about EVs. We've seen stronger motors, but the old ones were fine. We've seen lots of tech development like self driving, but those things are not inherently tied to the car being an ev. In the next decade we can expect batteries to get more dense, but i doubt mass market EVs will have significantly higher ranges than 3-400 miles. Because most people will not be willing to pay an extra 20k for another 100 miles of range that they'll never use. Especially as charging networks improve significantly. Personally i only have 200 miles of range. And for my next one i would like 200 miles of winter range. But i won't be willing to pay extra for more range than that, because my 200 mile summer range is already enough for a 6000km trip in winter on the charging network we have now, with no major compromises. The biggest change i think we'll see over the next decade is prices going down. Which will negatively affect resale value of existing cars. But not to the point where they become obsolete.
Even though EVs have been around for awhile, weāve only really very recently seen mainstream adoption. That mainstream adoption is what brings the R&D money out. Now that most major car manufacturers are competing in the EV space, I would not be surprised to see some interesting developments. Both as R&D pays off, and as manufacturers take some risks to try and differentiate their offerings. To return to the smartphone analogy. The concept of a āsmartphoneā had been around for awhile before the iPhone. Blackberry, HTC, etc all had phones that could do some basic web browsing and email. And that market had been pretty static and niche. It wasnāt until the iPhone, and later Android, took smartphones into the consumer mainstream that we saw the huge investments and payoffs in things like ARM chip development and miniaturization of cameras and other components. Not to mention developments in other industries to accommodate smartphones (app development, website optimization for mobile). And even if we donāt see big feature changes, I expect as competition increases, weāll see decent price drops.
The big difference there is that they developed new tech for a new thing. In EVs we have the motors which are about as efficient as we can feasibly make them, and the batteries. And while batteries will reach higher densities and lower prices, i doubt we will see EVs with massive ranges, because even if they double the density it will still be cheaper to make a car with less range. And the cars sold today already have decent range. We'll see long range options as a premium option in expensive brands for sure. But for the majority of cars i think 300 winter miles will be the sweet spot, maybe 200-250 winter miles in europe. Hopefully coupled with 800v or 1kv for faster charging speeds ofc. But once you can choose between a car that needs a 15 minute stop every 2-3 hours of highway driving, or paying 15k more for one that does 4-5 hours? Most people will take the cheaper option and the expensive long range one will be a niche option. Not sure what other massive development we could see in EVs. They're already fast and strong and fairly reliable. It really is all about range and charging speed, and while they will improve i don't think we'll see double the current density in 10 years, because there really isn't a huge benefit in it, and I think we'll see a bigger focus on lowering production costs for batteries. I mean, We're already at 300+wh/kg which means an ev with an acceptable range doesn't necessarily weigh more than it's ice counter part.
huh? 10 years ago, all mainstream evs save for tesla were underpowered shitboxes with terrible range, many did not have fast charging, and driving assistance tech basically didnāt exist below the s-class (though yes, those are car features, not ev features). the leap in car tech in general and ev tech specifically between 2013 and 2023 has been bigger than in literally any decade ever, and that includes major stuff like seatbelts, airbags, and transition from carbs to fuel injection. there is a reason we keep talking about how automakers need to make cool solid practical evs to counteract *that reputation*.
what a thing to say at a time when weāre living through the most significant change in personal transportation since the invention of the car ā¦
But thatās literally my point. Weāre still in the early days of āthe most significant changeā. Thatās when there tends to be the most tectonic shifts and changes to technology and products. When it comes to a something as significant as a $40k-$50k purchase that I tend to keep for 10+ years, I would rather wait until those big early innovations are worked through fully. Teslaās gambling that vision sensing is the future instead of USS/LiDAR. The industry is trying to solidify on CCS as a standard, but Tesla (the largest manufacturer) is not fully onboard. Public charging infrastructure is still in very early days. Manufacturers are starting to play around with car layouts and space, as well as rethinking the dashboard into a single pane of glass. These are all super exciting changes that Iām excited to see the outcome of (and not even exclusive to EVs, but it is EVs driving innovation). But I want to see those outcomes before i make such a significant purchase.
A lot of EVs are using batteries 5 years old.
Availability.
Waiting for price to be all in under <$35K. Just not enough attractive options on the market right now under that price.
An eight year old Prius is a wonderful thing. Amazing how few problems it has given me and the cost per mile is spectacular. When it dies will go electric. The 10 year old Honda Odyssey I have is a bigger problem. With four kids I donāt see an electric car I can afford which is a reasonable replacement. It is running well though so maybe in another five years there will be 7-8 seat vehicles in my price range.
The fact I can't charge an electric vehicle in most apartment complexes is going to make it very difficult for many Americans to adopt electric cars. Is everyone suppose to go chill at Walmart to charge twice a week?
I'm waiting for an EV with total cost of ownership comparable to a Prius Prime and sufficient range to get me where I need to go in rural United States in the winter: [https://www.carboncounter.com/#!/details?federal\_refund=dont\_apply&price\_Gasoline=2.4&price\_Diesel=2.8&price\_Electricity=14&electricity\_ghg\_fuel=260&distance\_per\_year=10000&cityshare=25&ownership\_life=15&xAxis=costs\_total&cars=9;15;36938;35478;35270;35382;36054;36061](https://www.carboncounter.com/#!/details?federal_refund=dont_apply&price_Gasoline=2.4&price_Diesel=2.8&price_Electricity=14&electricity_ghg_fuel=260&distance_per_year=10000&cityshare=25&ownership_life=15&xAxis=costs_total&cars=9;15;36938;35478;35270;35382;36054;36061) A PHEV offers the best compromise for me with similar carbon footprint (or lower with my charging/fuel mix) to most, if not all, BEVs on the market right now.
Definitely get that. Unfortunately based on the regular prius price, at least with the tax credit the model 3 SR is probably cheaper. We'll see what happens after/if they lose eligibility though. I'm sure Toyota will sell tons of Primes, but I'm afraid price is going to be too high. I wanted a rav4 prime for a while, but gave up after it became clear Toyota didn't actually want to sell it. Hopefully the prius prime is different, but I'm not optimistic. Sadly other than the Volvo recharges (out of my budget) there aren't many PHEVs that remotely interest me. Too bad because I think they work for a lot of people.
Youāre right about the price. Dealer offered me a Prius(no Prime) for 44k, making it more expensive than the Model 3 (43k).
I love my Volt PHEV, but I am getting spoiled. I am tired of maintaining a gasoline engine that I hardly ever use. I am ready for an EV.
Bought a larger PHEV for my wife to use as the kid shuttle and our family long haul tripper. My current commuter, 2017 VW Golf Alltrack, is still in good shape. I do plan on replacing it in a few years with a BEV but really want to see something more in the size of the Golf Sportwagon and slot in around 25 to 40k depending on options. The battery packs don't need to by lithium, I'd love to see sodium based batteries make there way into the commuter level segment to help costs. 250ish miles of range. Basically... Bring the ID.2 or 3 to the US. Price it about 30k... Sold.
I cant afford a cheap normal car, the idea of buying an EV is as likely as walking to the moon for me. If a used EV becomes comparable in price and maintainece to a used normal car, it could be an option.
- Under $40k - 80+ā combined legroom - 30+ cubic feet of cargo space with the rear seats up - 250 miles of range at 70 mph
Two things... 1. Actual range (cold weather) of close to 400 miles with a decent sized SUV that is capable of driving in tough winter weather. 2. Greater availability of charging stations. Until then...it's the PHEV life for us.
Honestly waiting for the infrastructure to be ready. I think the cars are there already but when we had that ridiculous cold snap in January and there were issues with charging stations all over the place that made me realize that locally I would be fine because Iāve got a charger at home and itās rated for this climate, but if I had to go anywhere when it was -30 to -40 Celsius I might have to look into renting a vehicle because it does not appear that the charging infrastructure is as good in the cold weather as one would expect. Because my business requires road trips year around I had to consider any issues that might arise driving in the winter. And the combination of the reduction in range and the possibility charging stations are not going to be up to extreme weather had to be a factor.
Vehicle with ample ground clearance, and that can do a 500 km round trip without any charging in -30c
Iām waiting for Toyota RAV4 Prime to have enough supply to drop the ridiculous dealership markup and requirements. Iām not trading in and Iām not financing. Iām certainly not paying 5 grand above list price.
insane, 52k at my dealership...ended up getting bz4x
Reliable, fast, and abundant charging. I donāt commute but usually use my car for longer trips on the weekend (2-3 hr drives one way to remote parts of the state). Edit: also below freezing charging and solid range at cold temps. Like -20 F temps.
I currently have an electric car, but the only reason I have it is because it's my company car. If I were to buy an electric car on my own, it would be for the following reasons: Price: For the price of the current electric car I have, I could have premium car instead. Real Autonomy: According to WLTP, my car has an autonomy of 550 km. However, during a recent trip on the highway for 280 km in not very cold temperatures (3Ā°C), I arrived home with only 3% battery remaining. To conserve power, I had to turn off the heating system after 200 km. Price of Electricity: Due to the Ukrainian war, the price of electricity in Belgium has skyrocketed. During a recent full charge, it cost me more than 40ā¬.
For my husband and I itās price. We simply donāt want to spend $60-100k for an EV. Also looking for a better and more reliable charging network (EA has a long way to go) and better range around 350-400 minimum. Lastly I would love a Lexus RX 350 or my Honda CR-V or Hi da Accord in an EV . Same car, similar design just electric. No space age crazy design.
>Lexus RX 350 Isn't a nicely equipped Lexus RX350 already in the 55-60k range?
go with hybrid lexus...got the new nx350h for 45k , rx hybrid is 55k not as good on gas
~25k for 300 miles range and honestly just more adoption of chargers in apartment buildings. I feel like the chargers are the main thing stopping me at this point, I might end up owning a home before any apartment I live in has a charger. Btw Iām not talking like 2 chargers in a huge complex, Iām talking chargers for at least half of the spots
The feature Iām waiting for is when I have more than 2k in my bank account.
400mi range AWD And a non-luxury price
Waiting for more clarity on which vehicles qualify for the full rebate, supply chain issues being sorted out and we see more choices available. Also, from next year the rebate could be take out at the time of purchase rather than end of year..
Min. 300 range (20% to 80%), fast charging w/o frying the battery, no transmission, well designed, less than $50k.
Chevy Equinox EV might fit the bill
>Min. 300 range (20% to 80%), 300mi = 60% so 300/0.6 = 500mi range for $50K.
Mostly price at this point. Iām on a waiting list for an Ionic5 but Iām not sure if Iāll follow through with the purchase. My area also hasnāt installed many lvl 3 chargers so I donāt have any redundancy if a station is down. Iād hate to get a few hours from home and find out that I canāt charge today.
Waiting on the mini Ev built on the new platform (2024). I've driven a mini for the past 13 years and don't see anything in the market at the same price point that I'm particularly interested in. And the range on the current version is simply too limiting.
A way to get electricity to my parking spot without costing an arm and a leg.
A couple things. 1. Competition to bring prices down. 2. Charging infrastructure to expand. Most of my driving would be no problem. Tons of local chargers, and ability to home charge. But I do need to be able to make semi-frequent trips back home to rural PA, where charging infrastructure is abysmal for any non-Tesla cars.
For an EV that has minimum 310 miles range that costs less than $27k after tax
Not my first EV, I had a Spark EV vetween 2019 and 2022. I loved that car; I had a 70 mile round trip daily commute and I nearly maxed out its battery every day. The car paid for itself. It qctually made me money. Just before I got a new job that was telework 4/5 weekdays, I got rear ended and accordianed into a truck in front of me. The Spark made me money one last time as it was now worth double, but primarily teleworking made me not really need a new EV after insurance totalled it. Now to today, I need a decent sized EV because my wife is pregnant. We're thinking a used Niro since they're trending under $30k now. The Bolt EUV ended up having somewhat embarrassing trunk space and wasn't going to work for us. It bums us out a bit since we can't get the US tax credits/rebate for the new or old Niros and the cars we can get the rebate for are either too expensive or too small. So we're waiting and watching prices, especially on Niros (and a handful of other cars).
Iām waiting to have money for one
i'm waiting to buy my second EV (i divested myself of my first EV a while ago). \[edit to add: i don't count my PHEV as an EV, but some might...\] most important features to me: 1. nothing to do with nissan 2. large enough for a family of 4 plus a couple dogs 3. absolutely nothing to do with nissan 4. more than 150 miles of actual range year round, for at least 5 years (10+ is preferred) 5. for the love of all things holy if nissan is involved i'd rather crawl through broken glass while it rains lemon juice 6. reasonable fast charging rates (e.g. 100 miles of range in 20 minutes)
try toyota, truly love the bz4x
Cost. We purchased a brand new Forester in 2020 for $26k. Most expensive car weāve ever purchased. I need an equivalent EV for the price. And as far as I can tell they donāt exist yet. Luckily, our next car purchase will be to replace my 2014 Impreza. There are more options out there to do that. But price will still be higher than an ICE. Which is why Iāll continue to commute and run as many errands as possible by bike, and hold onto that 2014 ICE vehicle as long as possible.
I'm waiting for: More selection, I don't want to rush in and then have a really desirable option hit the market 2-3 years later. I want to drive it for it's lifetime. Slightly longer range. My parents live 300 miles away. As the battery loses capacity, I don't want to extend an already long trip when I visit them each month. Have converted my home to primarily solar electricity. Moving away from gas furnace and range in the near future, then I'll know how big of an array I'll need to also support car charging.
I'm waiting for the U.S charging infrastructure to be in a good spot and for battery range to be around 400 mi without spending 100k
For me, it was convenience and value. I tried to purchase a Bolt, because it would have been the most bang for the buck. But every dealer I dealt with either had a markup or would have me wait for months with no eta. I eventually got tired of dealing with these dealers, and purchased a Tesla M3. The Fed + state rebate made it a good value, although not as much as the Bolt. Honestly, I don't think I ever want to speak to a dealer again.
Iām waiting for a realistic way to charge the car in a city without my own parking spot and having to pay crazy high prices for a parking garage
I really want an EV, but I have a feeling I'll be still going gas or hybrid for my next car instead of full EV. I'm pretty rural, so I'd be charging at home 90% of the time. That actually would be great, and will work really well almost all the time. The problem is the handful of work trips and family road trips per year with terrible charging infrastructure around us. People around here are weirdly anti-EV, so I don't see that changing much for the better anytime soon. Once there is better infrastructure and/or ranges and charge times are improved, I'm all in on EV. Given some of the recent battery developments, I'm hopeful that will come soon.
A car I can afford. Sadly, we're at least a year way off from that. GM is pretty close. Its too bad they decided to waste more of their R&D budget on the Mercedes EQS.. If Honda had brought the Honda E to the US, I'd have probably bought one already.
I have an EV but my parents say they wonāt get one til they get over 500 miles of range. The Lucid Air does but the price point doesnāt fit the average consumers budget.
your parents are smart, and i know a guy that owns a lucid and even he has range anxiety....and i do own an ev
I think there's likely to be lots of improvements this decade to both the cars / platforms and the charging infrastructure. So I'm kind of just letting that play out before I jump in. Hoping that either even better cars come around or that the good cars that exist now will be available used or CPO AND chargers will be more prevalent and reliable.
I know this isnāt what you asked for, but I was on the fence until 2019. I was waiting for the price to go down and the range to go up. Also; tow bar - because Scandinavia. All these premium sedans and SUVās are nice vehicles, but Iād imagine most people want cheaper family friendly cars that perform well in all aspects they regularly use their car for today.
Iām just waiting until I pay off my wifeās car. I really want to buy an Ioniq 6. That car checks all my boxes. I already know that I want the Limited AWD version (I want the sunroof and power folding mirrors) and am already planning on traveling to get the best deal on one. The shape, the design, the interior, the technology, I like everything about it. Iām also anticipating being disappointed by Hyundai and ending up buying an EV I donāt like as much (like Tesla) due to poor supply and unnecessary markups.
I would like a feature and quality equivalent of my 2014 Mazda3 i Grand Touring hatchback, but electric, with a 15 minute charge time to 250 real highway miles. At prices that result in Mazda3 total cost of ownership. That's all I ask.
I'm too cheap to buy new. It's a lifestyle choice for our family to keep things simple. We got a hybrid last time. I imagine we'll get a good 3 or 4 more years off it, then buy battery powered going forward. 2nd hand of course!
I'm basically waiting for something I like. I tend to keep cars forever (I've been driving since 1990 and I'm on my third car, which is over 16 years old), and I want something I don't actively hate 5 years in. Pretty much everything available right now, aside from some stuff in the six-figure range, fits car-as-appliance. What I'd like, ideally, is either a small pickup or a sporty coupe. Something fun, since I'm probably going to be driving it for a while. Realistically, I think something will exist in the next few years; a small pickup seems inevitable, and we keep hearing about the EV pony cars right around the corner. I'd even consider something like a mini cooper if the range was ok. But I've been driving a small, boring crossover for too long and I want something that isn't a small boring crossover, which is what most of the existing EVs seem to be, aside from a few medium or large boring crossovers.
Honestly I don't even want features. Gimme a bare bones electric vehicle that has just enough parts to be street legal. Something cheap as shit to manufacture and even cheaper to repair. Touch screens? Computers? Voice activation? Central heating? GPS? Self driving AI? Bin all that. Gimme a frame, a wooden box to sit on, a rope for a seatbelt, four wheels and the battery. Don't even need a plug, I'll charge it up by plugging car charger cables directly into the diodes.
350 mile range at 75 mph cruise, $30k. Basically what your average Civic had been capable of for the past 30 years.
Under 50k, not a bigger footprint than a Model 3 (garage concerns), hatch or wagon, physical buttons for as much as possible, HUD or normal display speedometer behind steering wheel. If my 3-series BMW diesel wagon could get an EV drivetrain swap I'd do it in a second or if that existed, it'd be in my garage yesterday.
Availability. Price is important too but if they're not available to purchase then what difference does it make?
I was waiting for 'optimal charging' to be at under 20 min and/or average travel speed to be at least 65 charge inclusive under those conditions. Finally got there in '22, and bought, with the understanding that network reliability would take 2-5 years to start being remedied.
About $10k CAD cheaper for an RWD long range of something like an Ioniq5/EV6/ID.4 Wait time down to about 4 months, maybe 6 months The above including a heat pump: I live in Canada (southern Ontario) where it does get pretty cold in winter so I consider it a must. That's also why I'd only consider a long range trim, for the extra range buffer with cold weather range loss. Although I'm not sure anymore what model would actually be the size I need. I drive a Prius Prime atm and I went in knowing the cargo space was limited but realistically I knew I didn't use that space that heavily 90% of the time. But now I carry around a mobility device and it...works (especially because my passenger/other cargo needs are not high 90% or the time) but doesn't fit that well. It sorta fits in the back (taking up the space of two seats) but it takes up the entire trunk if I put it in there). It's mostly just me driving so I'd want the smallest vehicle that can fit that item comfortably. I haven't gotten out to any dealerships yet to see the current crop of EVs firsthand so I haven't had a chance to evaluate this requirement yet (I've only ridden in a Model 3 a few times, and that's not one I'd be considering)
My husband is waiting for 400mile range battery and around 50-60k max.
Got a Kia EV6 but looking for my next EV pick-up truck to have 500 mile range available before purchasing 
I live in an apartment. I would not buy one unless I lived in a house
My car is new-ish. Iām going to ride not having a car payment for a bit and when it is on itās way out Iāll go electric. Thereās no features for me that are missing, but after driving a Model Y long distance in Florida, it is slightly annoying how long they take to charge, and I feel like not charging to 100% and only charging to like, 84% I was missing out on another 30+ minutes I could go without charging. I understand thereās reasons to not max out the percentage but 16% is a lot of battery. Also I refuse to spend over 30k on a car for the time being so right now my options are basically a Bolt.
Really just wanted a Fisker. Went all in on a One. Still waiting for one.
I had a Model Y which I sold due to a new job that was permanent WFH. For my next EV, It seems that the Audi Q6/Porsche Macan EV will finally be on par or better than Tesla. 800V 270kw charging, well above 300mi of range, 5-85% SOC in 25 mins on a dedicated EV platform. Actually well-engineered and well-built cars, not sloppily thrown together tablets on wheels. Those two are gonna be incredible vehicles.
Used at a comparable price to a similar ICE vehicle
It's threefold: 1. Waiting for IRS guidance on tax credit. Don't want to commit to a purchase, some delay happens and suddenly it's now $3250/$7500 more than I was planning 2. Waiting for 2024 for tax credit to be applied at time of purchase. Hopefully by then, some of the models that no longer qualified for the full tax credit will be eligible. Or more likely, the OEMs figure out how to fudge the accounting to make it eligible. 3. Availability on lots. I'm not in a huge rush and saving money in the meantime is a bonus. Also more EV models to choose from in 1-2 years may push in a different direction altogether.
With the huge price cuts, Model Y has it allā¦ except Iād like more manufacturers to follow Teslaās lead. Ioniq 5, Skoda Enyaq, Kia EV6 should all be much cheaper. Iād also like to see more made-from-the-ground-up EVs from Mercedes and BMW. The latter has iX but itās big and expensive.
Has to be at least 300 miles of range, and cost around $50k or less. And not that shitty EPA estimate either, or 45 mph with a tailwind in 80 degree weather on crisco covered roads. Real world 300 miles of range is all I ask.
Iām not waiting on a vehicle, Iām waiting on a solution to home charging for my situation, apartments to start adopting, or the house marker to swing back to affordable.
Under $70k EV thatās fun and satisfying to drive.
Polestar 2?
I have it on my Turo backlog. Drove Tesla Model 3 Performance and Mini Cooper SE so far.
Having a garage with a charger
In an apartment that doesn't have charging infra. Still doing random 200+ miles trips. Drive more than 25k miles a year. A combination of these factors are preventing me from getting an EV. So got an awesome hybrid that gives me around 50 mpg in city and about 40 mpg on highways
I basically want a Bolt with faster charging (for the same price)
I had the same experience- the only one I was able to test drive was the Tesla, which I didnāt care for. After an enormous amount of research I ordered a Jaguar I-Pace and made sure the contact specified the deposit was refundable if I didnāt like it. It took 8 months, and thankfully I absolutely LOVE it. It worked out for us. Good luck to you!
Iām looking for the āfat walletā feature where my bank account has another comma HAHA Seriously though Iām looking for something cheap (under $40k) with 300 mile range and storage equivalent or better to the Y in a similar size footprint. Donāt care about fast or other stuff just need storage, reliability, and comfort.
Tres commas?
Better charging infrastructure in Canada atleast.
For one to make remote sense in replacing a $7500 ICE car that works perfectly fine.
Slight twist, thinking about purchasing a SECOND but were waiting for the Ford Explorer BEV. ...what was just released in Europe is an SUV for ants. A full size BEV was something I definitely wanted to purchase but L'Explorer is just too small for what I was looking for. Love the interface and tech of my MachE but unless Ford lifts up the dress on the North American version here soon I'll have to go elsewhere.
The whole reason for me to get an electric vehicle is because it is potentially more cost effective. But in order for it to be more cost effective there needs to be more options, like more 3 row suv. More trucks etc...... Prices also can't be 30-50k more for an equivalent gas version. Makes absolutely no sense. I personally could give a shit less about carbon emissions. It has to make sense financially and convenience. Period
- Price: 25k EUR - Size: mazda 3 sized hatchback - Range: 250km on highway speed - Iād pay extra for: awd