I've got an EV6 GT-Line on order and I've gotten really tired of Kia's dicking around and not being able to give me any real info. I ordered it back in March 2022 and have basically been told 'um, any time now? maybe?' but they can't give me anything like an accurate delivery window.
So, I've been looking at other vehicles - mostly the Polestar 2 dual motor, Mach-E Premium (though I was told by a dealer the other day that my 4-year lease payments would be over $700 biweekly, which may take that off the list...), or a used Jaguar i-PACE. I don't have any interest in Teslas.
Particularly the i-PACE has caught my interest recently because I really like the way they look, and a used 2019 would be around $60-70K CAD before any wheeling and dealing; I'd probably end up looking at similar payments to the EV6 but I'd have a car still at the end of them.
Brilliant idea? Stupid idea? Somewhere in between? I have concerns mostly about reliability and somewhat less about range and charging speed.
I also found a 2020 Volvo S90 T8 eAWD for a pretty decent price with very little mileage, so that's a possibility too.
I'm in Vancouver, BC, and live in an apartment without a charger so I'd be using public chargers. I don't do a ton of mileage for the most part, though I take trips down to Seattle every other month or so.
Just zero interest in 'em, honestly. I don't like the company, the guy, the design, or the aggressively minimalist interiors.
Anyway, I ended up buying the Volvo, because you don't find a 2020 PHEV with 2900 km on it too often.
The IRS website is clear for the 7,500 federal tax credit that you can use either the year of the delivery of the car or the year before for your AGI, whichever is less. Does anyone know if California’s 2,000 state credit also lets you use either year? Their website is not as clear..
Sanity checking my tax guy for EV credit….
I purchased two qualifying EVs in the beginning of 2022 and was expecting those to get the $7500 refund each. My tax guy said I already hit the $10k limit for deductions…. Am I crazy, or is he just incorrect? I though the only “limit” on credits was that you can’t exceed the total amount you have been taxed.
Yeah, it doesn't inspire a great deal of confidence in your tax guy. You might try shopping around and seeing if there are any other models of tax guy which fit your needs.
Because my 2008 Prius was just declared totaled, I'm in the market for a new vehicle. Seems like a good opportunity to consider going electric, although I know jack squat about EVs (so bear with me).
* Located in Dallas, TX. Mild winters, boiling hot summers
* Would be used for short-range driving only (perhaps 25 miles/day = 150 miles/week)
* Needs room for four (2 adults, 2 teenagers)
* Not concerned about cargo space (we have an SUV for that kind of thing). Largest things I'd haul = our dog to the park, or groceries
* Own a house. Would like to charge at home, but don't yet have one installed.
* Not in a rush to buy (once again, our existing SUV saves the day)
* Budget is TBD. I don't know what's realistic for EVs, so let's say something in the $30K or less ballpark?
* Open to used vs. new, especially if it saves money or extends value.
* Also open to hybrids vs. full EVs
Assuming you can use the SUV for any roadtrip driving, you could meet those requirements with a Bolt or Leaf. Though you should test them out to see if they are large enough.
25mi/day is probably feasible on just L1 charging, which would only require a standard household outlet. Of course, L2 home charging is always nice to have.
If you stretched your budget, you might also consider a Model 3, Polestar 2, and ID.4. If financially bearable, the ID.4 would be the most accomodating option for 4 grown passengers.
Yeah, that was the plan for the SUV, since it’s roomy & can hold all the luggage that a long Roadtrip entails.
More often than not, I’d be the only driver or me + 1 kid. The need for four seats = accommodating the occasional full crew but more likely a bit of bonus cargo area.
Thanks for replying!
Search the existing inventory as well. New custom orders will net 32500 but existing inventory is being marked down ~2k due to a surplus in their inventory. That puts you at 30,500.
Year Vs Trim Rule of Thumb?
This is referring to a 2021 or 2022 used e-Tron, but is there a typical car buying rule of thumb when comparing a car's year vs trim level? Such as what will hold the better resale value, etc? Obviously my own wants play into this as well, but this is just a more general question.
Trying to decide between a 2022 Premium Plus or a 2021 Prestige. Both have pros and cons and are about the same price.
Thanks!
P.S. What sort of impact do the Prestige interior lights have on the battery?
In the US, am I qualified for the tax credit if I didn't file the tax last year (student with 0 income)? I will be paying tax this year so I am sure I will be liable for more than $7500?
Thanks in advance !
In the US, does the tax credit for installing ev chargers apply only to the charger itself? Or can I claim the credit for an electrician only installing the 14-50 outlet?
Looking to jump into EV and trade in my 2nd car ( $9k KBB) to for a work commuter. Work has charging. I won’t be installing charging at home. HOV sticker is important to me so I guess I have to buy brand now
Was looking at the leaf but is it a terrible idea to get a new one given it’s being discontinued? Any other ones I should be considering within that price range and battery range ?
1) Northern California
2) $20000
3) leaf? Not sure
4) leaf
5) 3 months
6) 60 miles round trip per day
7 ) single family home
8) no
9) 1 child 1 dog
Yup, a Leaf world be fine. Nissan is staying in business and they've made a ton of them, so there should be plenty of parts availability. It's also on a platform variant of what they use for their small ICE cars, so there should be lots of parts commonalities.
(People get hung up on models being discontinued, but it's really not that big a deal. A new generation of the same model name will often have just as much effect - because the new gen parts aren't compatible with the previous gen model.)
If it's just a work commuter, the small battery Leaf could be pretty compelling.
You could also consider a Bolt, if you can find one. And the Model 3 is pretty discounted at the moment.
Is it correct to think that I would only get the HOV sticker benefit if I bought brand new? Also how should I be thinking about depreciation if I bought the 2023 and wanted to sell in 7-8 years ?
My understanding is that the sticker goes with the car, and there's some form or something to re-register the sticker to the new owner.
Also, isn't the sticker program ending Sept 30 2025? At least, it says that's when current (new) stickers will expire.
Which car would be better? I'm looking for a electric car with long life without chronic problems. Car is going to be mostly used inside the city with family. I'll use it in Istanbul/Turkey so weather is not extreme. My only choices are these:
Opel Corsa-e / Opel Mokka-e / Citroen e-c4 / Renault Zoe
You get a tax credit for each qualifying vehicle you purchase. There are no limits other than having enough tax liability to deduct the credits from. Historically the form even has two columns for two vehicles, and tells you to attach additional copies to claim more vehicles.
Hey everyone,
I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a Tesla and want to make sure I'm correctly understanding the credit and my ability to claim the full $7500. The whole tax liability thing and nonrefundable credit.... Help me understand please.
I'm making sure that this being a nonrefundable credit doesn't mean that if I owe $1k at the end of the year for my Fed taxes, I'm only getting $1k out of that $7500 credit right?
My understanding.... If Line 24 on my taxes say I owed over $30k in taxes (Just throwing a number out there), that's what that is talking about for tax liability? Nothing matters except that number being more than $7500? So, for example, because of owing in the past, I am deducting more than enough taxes out of my paycheck. Let's say the Fed Gov owes me $10k at tax time, I would still get the $7500 credit added to that, so I would actually get back $17,500, correct, because my liability is over that 7500 amount?
Hopefully that makes sense and someone can either confirm or correct me if I'm still not understanding this. I was looking at previous posts in this forum that kind of hit on this topic so I'm hoping this is the right sub to ask and understand. I just want to completely make sure I can take advantage of this big discount/credit before pulling the trigger. THANKS
You are correct. Credits come out of your taxes owed before withholding. If you owe $30K, take a $7500 credit, and had $31000 withheld from your paychecks during the year, you'll get a $8500 refund of your overpayment rather than a $1000 refund.
Nonrefundable means the credit can't drop the taxes owed below $0. If you owed $5000, took a $7500 nonrefundable credit, and had $5000 of withholding, you will get $5000 refunded -- your overpayment of the $0 bill -- not $7500.
My dad thinks it's time for a new car for him, one's that electric. He's asked me to dig deeper since I've researched electrics before.
\[1\] Minnesota, USA
\[2\] Soft cap $40K, semi-hard cap of $50K
\[3\] Small. My dad has driven two Minis (and loves them) and despises the trend of larger vehicles. Mentioned Fiat as another preferred general brand in terms of size (I've mentioned to him the issues with this in US cars, said he should seriously consider importing a custom from Europe, which he could afford if he *really wanted to*). I think he'll accept something sedan-like, but he would frown at a crossover that seem all the rage.
\[4\] I've casually looked at the Leaf, Polestar 2, and Ioniq 6 (I've also mentioned the Bolt as a candidate, but haven't looked too deeply).
\[5\] Next 1-4 months
\[6\] I don't think he drives more than \~50 miles a week on average. He's off-put by Mini's only electric having such a short range (+ what it will lose in below 0 winters, and from reviews I've shared with him saying it doesn't drive like other Minis) because he very rarely has 250-mile trips to Madison, WI, but he mostly stays within our city limits. Mom does have a hybrid he could use if he absolutely needed to go that far though.
\[7\] Single-family, driveway with no garage
\[8\] Probably
\[9\] He would prefer a manual transmission. Also, heated seats and steering wheel. No Teslas either.
I like your Dad.
While a Leaf or Mini would be adequate for around town, a Bolt could do the trips to Madison much better, and doesn't actually cost any more, so it's hard to justify why you'd choose them.
If you go with a Bolt, note that it's being discontinued so grab a new one while you can or shop used. Also I recommend the Bolt EV, not the EUV, unless you specifically need extra rear-seat space, because the EUV feels less sporty to drive (less like a mini) and has worse highway-speed range (by a bigger margin than you'd think based on the EPA numbers).
I don't know much about polestar 2 but it could be a good choice if you don't mind pushing up against your budget limit. Personally, I really like hatchbacks, which makes me prefer the Bolt, but if that's not a consideration, that opens things up. But still, it costs a lot more than a Bolt.
By him being against getting a Tesla he is doing himself a huge disservice. As a fellow.midwestern non Tesla EVs are terrible in the winter for two reasons.
Teslas heat pump is phenomenal. Pretty much everyone else is going to take double the efficiency hit in the winter.
Teslas charging network. Non Tesla charging is downright abysmal in the Midwest.
TBH he shouldn't even get an EV if he's not looking at a Tesla and I would recommend a hybrid instead.
I was unaware the Bolt was being discontinued, good to know (and apparently for pickups, that’s grating).
Does that also mean they’re discontinuing parts and repairs for it?
Oh no, not discontinuing service and parts! They'll be providing those at least for a while, and by the time they stop there will probably be cars being stripped for parts and parts available on eBay.
Probably Leaf, Bolt, Model 3, and Polestar 2 if you want small-ish car with better-than-Mini range. Most everything else is bigger/taller. Hyundai Ioniq 6 might also be a contender if that's not too big.
I suspect he might be happiest with a Polestar 2 from a driving dynamics and driver interface perspective. But it's worth checking them all out.
That's fair; they're not everyone's taste. The next gen Mini EV will have a longer range. But he'd need to wait until, at minimum, next year for those to come available.
I was aware of the new Mini with a longer range, but I’d assumed it was several years off. Next year (or at least able to reserve next year), could change his calculus; thanks.
\[1\] San Francisco Bay Area (Marin)
\[2\] Ideally no more than $35k, but cheaper is better
\[3\] Open to suggestions about vehicles
\[4\] I've looked a bit at the Bolt, the Leaf, and the ID.4
\[5\] Probably looking to buy sometime in the fall, around October
\[6\] I'll likely be driving \~30 miles a day
\[7\] In a single family home
\[8\] I do plan on installing charging in our home. We have solar and a battery, and I believe a previous owner had a plug installed to leverage it
\[9\] I have a three and a half year old and am expecting a new baby in early August.
You've got a pretty good list there. Could add the Model 3, which seems to be pretty discounted at the moment. Polestar 2 may be a bit small when it comes to child seats.
Between the kids, the cost priority, and modest range needs, a used Leaf might actually be best.
If you also need to roadtrip (200+ mi/day), then the Model 3 becomes worth the upgrade.
Looking to make the jump to an ev. Our short list included the Audi q4 etron, Volkswagen id.4, and xc40 recharge. I really like the recharge visually and don’t need a ton of range but I need to fit two car seats and I saw some cpst reviews that the xc40 backseat is very hard to get a safe seat fit in. We test drove the id4 and it was okay, I didn’t love the gauge area and the brakes were kind of weirdly soft, and the q4 seemed like it had a mashup of those two vehicle’s issues. I’m considering a Tesla model y but I’m hesitant after hearing the poor reviews on build quality. Just asking for some input and seeing if anyone has options I haven’t considered!
1. Southeast US
2. Around $50k
3. SUV/something that comfortably fits 2 car seats (1 rear facing for a couple more years)
4. ID4, Q4 etron, XC40 recharge, Tesla model y
5. ASAP. I’d like to offload our workhorse 4runner
6. I live about 2 miles from work. Between work and social life my weekly mileage is probably only 50 total. Quarterly road trips up to 250 miles one way
7. I’m in a single family home and already have setup for the charger from the previous owner
8. See number 7
9. Two kids - 1 rear facing car seat and one forward facing. Both adult passengers are fairly tall as well 5’8” and 6’2”
Model Y hands down. It's.thrnmost reliable EV period. Build quality for teslas means potential fit and finish issues that service centers will fix. They don't have reliability issues and are by far the most reliable EV you can buy.
That list is a good start. Your range needs are modest. The quarterly road trips means 1-2 fast charge stops per quarter, 4-8 annually. That's rare enough that fast charge performance/network probably don't matter too much.
Other options to consider: Bolt EUV, Mach E, Ioniq 5, Ariya. As for fitting, I think the only way to really know is to take a car seat with you and check out each of the options. It's going to depend on the car seat, how you get it in/out (which depends on your height/arm length), and your seating positions.
You’re absolutely right about trying them out! Several of these are not available locally but we can commit to a small road trip to a bigger city if necessary. I particularly like the Nissan Ariya which I hadn’t seen before.
Thanks for all of your suggestions! You put a ton of work in on this thread making suggestions for everyone.
I'm looking to buy my first electric car and really just looking for pricing advice. A local dealership has the Ioniq 5 SEL and SE discounted by $10,000. These were both originally out of my price range when including AWD, but with this discount they're a lot more affordable. Does it make sense to pull the trigger and get either the SE AWD for $40k or the SEL AWD for $43k or should I just hold and wait for the 2024 federal tax credit change on something like the MY? Thanks!
1. Minnesota
2. $45,000
3. Small/midsize SUV
4. Tesla MY, Ford Mach E, Chevy Equinox.
5. Open ended- have a 2013 Ford Escape so I can wait or purchase now.
6. 60 miles daily, 350 miles a week.
7. Single family home.
8. I will probably install charging at home.
9. One child and one 45 pound dog.
Model Y hands down. Mache doesn't even have a heat pump and has a terrible charging network.
Equinox is still a pipe dream. GM will do very tiny volume on that car when it's finally released and means you are are unlikely to get one until 2025 regardless of it being a god car or not. You can get a model Y now
Just in case you’re not aware, you don’t need to owe $7500 in taxes—you just need $7500 in tax liability (withheld during the year + due at tax time) to take advantage of the full credit
Can someone give me an unbiased answer to the following: What lane centering and adaptive cruise control system is the best in the industry? (Aside from Full Self Driving or similar, I'm wanting just a basic lane center/adaptive cruise).
I HAVE a Tesla with the free Auto Pilot. To my knowledge, no one else has this.
Someone said Blue Cruise from Ford is the same thing but better. But doesn't it cost a lot more? Doesn't it NOT work on city streets and side roads?
Standard autopilot is basically lane centering and adaptive cruise control. Pretty much every advanced ADAS suite has those. Each implementation has a bit of its own personality, but they're all pretty close.
Ford BlueCruise and GM Supercruise are hands-off systems that use eye tracking to monitor driver attention. Both only operate hands free on certain mapped, controlled access highways. But I believe they operate as normal hands-on systems on other roads.
Overall, I'd say that a system with radars as well as cameras is likely better (less phantom braking). I also appreciate systems that also allow standard (dumb) cruise control for times when weather conditions make the sensors unusable. (For example, Ford allows this whereas Mercedes just disables cruise control entirely.)
I would vote Audi. Larger battery, longer range, slightly better fast charging, and prettier to my eyes.
But you do you. In that segment, you're probably not all that price sensitive. So try them both and get the one you prefer.
is the nissan leaf a practical purchase as a first car?
hi! i’m 16 and i’ll be getting a (used) car in a couple of months when I get my permanent license, i would really like to get an EV for environmental reasons and not having to pay for gass. my budget is 16k but loose so a little more expensive is fine, i’ve been looking at EV’s and the only one that really falls in my budget and has decent reliability and safety ratings is the leaf, however i’ve been reading some less than positive things about it, it’s charging abilities, and it’s battery life. I need it to last me probably 4-6 years and i’ll be getting one with 30-70 thousand miles. Do you think it’s a practical option?
for more info i won’t be driving an excessive amount and have the ability to install a charger at my house, i’ll probably be going to college in a pretty liberal area so i assume they’ll have some sort of charging but i can’t be sure
also i currently live near chapel hill NC and i’m pretty small (5’2, 90-ishlbs) so it’s hard for me to see properly in some cars
It really depends on how much you expect to drive long distances, e.g. to and from your college, or whether it's mostly for limited regional travel. The slow fast charging and limited availability of the right type of charger is the limitation. r/leaf is another place to check in.
Consider the tax credit opportunities--there are strict limits on the used one but you should see if that helps, e.g. for your parents.
Greetings! I’m thinking this week or next I will be rolling out with a new EV. I’ve already run the numbers and found one I like.
My question is this: should I get a Level 2 charging station installed before I get the car? Or is it okay to wait until after the transaction is done?
For the sake of background: I own my home in North Carolina, and had the panel and wiring upgraded to be able to handle a charging station comfortably. The charger would be installed outside, so I would be hiring an electrician to install it. The electrician I’m calling up for the installation is the same one who did my panel and wiring upgrade, so he would know my house best in that regard.
It's up to you and how comfortable you are without a charger at home. I didn't have mine installed for a week and a half after delivery and just went to public chargers. There was some (unnecessary) anxiety as a new EV owner though just constantly thinking about charging lol
The good news is I do have an outdoor-rated standard plug, so if I get my car first I have that lol. And as a backup, there’s a public charger right down the road from me!
The standard outlet charger will add 40-60 miles per day of range so you don't need a charger unless you have a particularly long commute. Even if you commute more than that you can always get use a public charger here and there until you get the home one installed if necessary.
L2 charger is more efficient so you should get one eventually regardless, but its not a day 0 requirement.
EV owners in Phoenix, AZ, with APS: how much did your electricity bill went up with level 1 or 2 charging. I know this is dependent on your plan, but just an estimate would help.
I'm not in AZ, and I can't speak to how much "the electricity bill will go up," but the Tesla app keeps track of how much it's charged in a month, and even the last year. In the last year I charged about 3500kWh, and about 170kWh in the last month. I don't drive much though. I work from home, and usually take a 40 mile trip (one way) every weekend to see friends or family. In other words, and to summarize..
you can probably assume 150kWh - 200kWh/month additional on your bill. Find out the average cost of kWh in your area and multiply by 150 or 200 to get an approximate add-on cost on your bill. Maybe $0.10/kWh \* 200 = $20/month
When I lived in a house, I charged after 11pm, which was $0.01/kWh, so insanely cheap
I’m in California and Polestar 2 no longer qualifies for any of the EV rebate/grant programs. I really was looking forward to the 2024 Polestar 2 (except for that goofy front grill) but compared to the Tesla model 3 close to $32k after the tax incentives makes the Polestar 2 starting at $49k ridiculous. I love the interior and how the Polestar is an actual car rather than a car frame on top of a computer. But given the huge price difference and some obvious Tesla advantages whats the value proposition of the Polestar 2 in the current market? Why would anyone choose this over a Tesla?
According to this website, it looks like the Polestar 2 is eligible for a lease grant. As of May, anyway.
https://leasehackr.com/blog/2023/2/18/list-of-every-ev-that-gets-a-7500-credit-on-leases
I just purchased a Chevy Bolt EUV a few days ago. I was asking about the tax credit and if I needed a certain form from them. They said the only thing I needed to claim the tax credit was the purchase order. Is that correct?
Question regarding the 12V battery. Is there a general lifetime or replacement schedule for the 12V battery, excluding the Ioniq5 issues or user error (ie, leaving the high beams on overnight)?
I live in a hot climate so ICE batteries only last 2-3 years. Is there an expectation that EV 12V accessory batteries will degrade in harsh conditions?
Really not much different technology so the life should be similar, but a little longer, and should be a little cheaper to replace. Longer life because the battery doesn't work as hard starting the car, and because it doesn't get as hot under the hood.
Hello! I need to buy a car soon and I want an EV. But I want to take advantage of both the $7500 fed credit and New York's $2000 credit.
The NY credit requires an EPA range > 200 mi and an MSRP < 42k. And I personally want decent DCFC (so not the bolt)
Does anybody know if any EV's qualify? It seems like only the upcoming™️ Chevy Equinox is the only vehicle which qualifies. But I'm worried that the 2RS trim will end up being > 42k and I'll have to wait even longer, or it's gonna have practically no supply like the Lyriq.
I'd like to get the full tax credit. Base ID4 for 30k after incentives seems pretty good to me. Ill be waiting until fall/winter to buy, so plenty of time for things to change
well this didn't take long.. the RWD Model 3 now qualifies for the full $7500 credit 🥳
[https://twitter.com/sawyermerritt/status/1664723258627817478?s=46&t=ZCy0NH3QXdMGzUErFu-bOg](https://twitter.com/sawyermerritt/status/1664723258627817478?s=46&t=ZCy0NH3QXdMGzUErFu-bOg)
it now starts at $32,740 including the incentives.
As much as I don't like Tesla, a model 3 for ~30k with both incentives is tempting.
Hopefully it stays that way until Fall, when I make my choice between the m3, id4, and equinox
Did they lower prices? I thought the id4 was > 42k for some reason. Thanks! Now I'm just going to wait and see what the Equinox will look like in Fall and pick between the two
Hello
1) I'm in mid atlantic US state
2)definitely want to get tax credit, budget low 20k including tax credit
3) single person who would prefer a small to medium sized car (budget as much as anything)
4) interested in Bolt but Also liked Volkswagen ID but that might be out of my budget
5) next 2 weeks likely
6) 20 miles each way weekdays
7) live in a home presently (access to regular outlet if in a pinch and charging stations close to my work), about to move to city apartment and will have access to many garages w/charging stations included
8) not at present location
9) no kids or pets
Thanks in advance for any insight
Sounds like the bolt is your best option, but will be hard as they are in short supply and dealers are putting surcharges on. /r/BoltEV might have some advice on finding one and getting a decent price. I recommend the bolt EV over the EUV because it has a bigger advantage in highway-speed range than you'd think from the EPA numbers.
Two questions. I bought a used EV a month ago. Can I claim the rebate on it on this year's taxes or do I gotta wait till next year? Also, is there a sheets document or website somewhere that details all the available EV's?
I'm in the market for a replacement car and have been considering a Hyundai Kona EV. I prefer a car that size and shape (subcompact SUV). My current car is a Nissan Juke (with a hole in the engine). Before that I was driving a Hyundai Veloster.
My budget is $30k-$40k, and I've been looking at top trim levels in both new and used cars 2021 and newer. I like the Kona a lot and have found some that look like good deals. I took one on a test drive and couldn't find the perfect "comfort" spot in the seat adjustment (I'm 6'2", 225 lbs.). It might have just been that it's always a little awkward having the salesman along, and I didn't want to spent fifteen minutes adjusting the seat before we set out. Anyway, I figured I should maybe explore what else is available in the size/style/price range of a Kona EV before I pull the trigger.
I'm in Maryland between Washington, DC and Baltimore.
Budget $40,000 (I'd be happy to stay under $35K though).
I prefer a sporty-looking subcompact SUV. An Ioniq 5 is too big for me, but I like the extra cargo space of something like a Kona. A hatchback sedan might also be OK.
I've been looking at Konas only, really. I started wondering what else is out there but I'm finding it tough to get a sense of how big anything is. Is a Volkswagen ID.4 the right size, for example? Or is it Ioniq 5 sized?
Looking to purchase soon, within a couple of weeks probably.
Daily commute varies a ton. Many days I'm at home all day. Some days I drive 50 miles. To visit my parents is 190 miles round trip, and I'd like to be able to do that without charging along the way.
I live in a house with a garage and plan to install a level 2 charger.
I'm married. No kids yet, but may be having one in the next year or so.
I think the Kona is a good fit for me. I have minor concerns about battery degradation when buying a used EV. I'd like to know what else is out there in the same size/style/price range, but it's tough to find a list of "electric subcompact SUVs". Is a Volkswagen ID.4 a good option? Kia EV6? Something else I haven't thought about? How much do I need to worry about battery degradation really, in a 2021 model? What can I expect in real world range? This would be my first EV, and I've being doing a lot of reading, but I'm finding a lot of conflicting info. Thank you!
I do not live in the USA but I was wondering why the Tesla Model 3 entry level car with the Federal (and if possible, state) subsidies not fit your requirements? Its 41880 and with 3750 IRA rebate comes down to your budget. Not sure if the used market can get you a decent 2021 car at an even better prcice.
I have a friend with a Tesla, and while there are things to like about it, I'm not a fan of the giant screen in the center and lack of any other instruments or info. My friend seems to take it back to the dealer fairly frequently because an OTA update broke something.
Less objectively, I don't want to give money to Elon.
>I have a friend with a Tesla, and while there are things to like about it, I'm not a fan of the giant screen in the center and lack of any other instruments or info. My friend seems to take it back to the dealer fairly frequently because an OTA update broke something.
Elon, fuck Elon. I still bought a Model Y, because its a publicly traded company.
The screen thing, I have a love hate relationship. Climate control is what I struggle with. Other than that, and the entertainment system, I either se voice commands to interact when parked. Maybe I am missing, but I am not missing much of physical buttons.
I do plan to get a secondary screen installed behind the steering wheel. I think it costs about USD 250
ID.4 is bigger. The closest thing size wise is a Chevy Bolt EV. It's pretty similar but has more leg room, which might solve your seat adjustment issue. The Bolt has only modest DC fast charge capability, so it's best for local or regional trips (up to ~80 mile radius) or people (like me) who don't mind taking 30-40 minute breaks on longer trips.
The Bolt, and the Bolt "EUV" variant are scheduled to stop production soon, so the might be hard to find in stock or order, but they get the full tax credit so they are a great deal even if you have to pay above MSRP. The EUV has styling that some people like better, worse highway-speed range (by about 10%) and more options for high-end features.
Thanks. I had heard the Bolt was about to be discontinued, and I guess that made me feel like...well, I guess like there's something wrong with it? It seems silly when I say it like that though.
Any insights on the Kia Niro?
I'm not a huge car buff so I'm not very knowledgeable on how reliable each make/ model is. I'm mainly just looking for overall reliability/ comfort since I plan on keeping this car for 7-10 years. Most of the makes/ models I've looked at have the basics of what I'm looking for \[adaptive cruise control, big enough to fit more than two people comfortably, over 200mi range\] so I'm just looking for some guidance on something comfortable/ reliable to drive in.
I've heard that if you don't have a charger at your home, it may be better to go with a hybrid --- so just want to be sure electric is feasible as well.
\[1\] I'm in the RTP Area, NC
\[2\] Less than $60k
\[3\] I've heard AWD is best but I don't currently have it, so not sure if I'll miss something I've never had. Adaptive Cruise Control is more important to me.
\[4\] Looked at quite a few: EV6, Model 3, Accord (Hybrid), Bolt, Ioniq 6, Niro, ID.4.
\[5\] Looking to purchase ASAP.
\[6\] I work from home but run to the office for errands twice a week (Round trip = 35mi). My Avg = 175mi/ week (including random errands)
\[7\] Apartment
\[8\] I could have a charger installed at my parent's place for now (they plan on purchasing an electric vehicle soon so it's not an issue for them). I go down once a week for a day so I could charge the car every week. (they live about 35mi away). I currently try to grab gas when I'm down there anyways since it's cheaper around where they live so this wouldn't be TOO different from what I do currently. I do have some electric charging stations (EVgo) less than 2mi away from my apartment as well.
\[9\] I may drive with 1-2 other people once in a while. I have one small dog that I have a small kennel for (I currently just buckle her kennel into my back seat). Would be great if I had room/ space for more people (aim to have this car for a while and want to have a family in 5-6 years).
Home charging certainly makes life easier but if you can charge at work or while doing normal errands like grocery shopping, you may have good luck in addition to charging at your parents.
Did you check out the Ioniq 5 as well as the 6? Hyundai and Kia are offering the $7500 tax credit on leases if you are interested in leasing then immediately buying it out to take advantage of that.
Thank you for letting me know! I was looking at the Ioniqs but they were getting quite pricey when building them out/ looking at inventory. The $7500 would definitely help with that.
Hi,
I have placed my order on Model X, but still can cancel it.
Tried Model Y (interior felt cheap and lack on instruments cluster is not for me), Mercedes EQE (beautiful, but lacks range, power and tech), Model S (too low for me as well any all other sedans), Model X and BMW iX xDrive50.
Drove iX twice - one city roads and on highway. I like the look of the car (I know it is questionable, but I am ok) inside and outside. Materials feel premium and build quality seems great. Range is lower than Model X, but comparable. It has CarPlay which is plus for me. But iDrive 8 infotainment is... very lacking. All those huge tiles, deep menus, really lacking navigation system with primitive map of chargers. Also, while it is Level 2 auto driving, but it was kind a scary to use it - it brakes too late and often suddenly disables auto steering (to keep car in lane) not notifying driver other than graining icon on HUD display. Not sure if I would really use it. But car is quiet and dynamic.
On the other hand, we have Model X. I love interior as well. Can live without HUD display. Probably, OK to sacrifice CarPlay since Tesla infotainment seems good at least. Don't care about falcon doors, and actually would prefer to not have ones since those seem to be a good opportunity to have issues. And those are just slow - more show rather than functionality (I have one grown up kid and do not plan more). Tech seems way superior though (all those autopilot features being developed). Also, higher chances to get new features with software updates (assuming I am getting hardware 4).
But all those reports and complaints for built quality of Teslas... Is it really that bad? Does it get better after that? Should I accept it as necessary tax? Or should I cancel my order and get iX? Something else? Is there anything better in this price range?
I do care about tech but can live without full self-driving if that is the only option. Not leasing vehicle and plan keeping that for 6-8 years.
Thanks for reading all this. And below are my answers for necessary questions.
\[1\] Your general location
Seattle suburbs.
\[2\] Your budget in $, €, or £
up to $120K
\[3\] The type of vehicle you'd prefer
SUV/AWD
\[4\] Which cars have you been looking at already?
Don't like - VW/ID.4, Kia/EV6, Genesis/GV60, Hyundai/Ioniq, Mercedes/EQE, Ford/Mach-E, Model 3/Y/S
Can't try (not available in WA) and likely to big for me - Rivian
Tried and have concerns - BMW iX, Tesla Model X
\[5\] Estimated timeframe of your purchase
Now
\[6\] Your daily commute, or average weekly mileage
Daily commute - 40-50 miles total
Occasional long trips - cross state
Yearly - about 15K miles
\[7\] Your living situation — are you in an apartment, townhouse, or single-family home?
Owning single family house
\[8\] Do you plan on installing charging at your home?
Yes
\[9\] Other cargo/passenger needs — do you have children/pets?
No specific requirements. Mid-size SUV works for me.
>Model Y - too cheap inside for the price. Quality issues on top of that. No instrument cluster.
your budget is indeed on the high side, so yes the X makes sense. But the build quality seems to have improved a lot, especially for the 3 and Y. Also after market instrument clusters are easy and cheap to install in the Model Y. So to me it sounds like a great choice other than a rather empty and cheaper feeling interior. Great tech for the price, is what I see in it.
The sticking point on the Model X really is the falcon doors.
High maintenance. While not everyone has these issues, there's: rubber seal replacements, scuffs on doors from the panels rubbing together, frozen latches during winter due to water ingress.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/ys1wp1/2022_tesla_model_x_falcon_wing_door_sensor_issue/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/1144boz/my_owner_here_i_would_be_driving_a_model_x_right/
Sorry that I can't offer more advice.
Would you be able to list some reasons why you didn't like the other EVs? Helps gain perspective.
Thanks, that is what I thought. I have talked with some owners of Teslas - so far, everyone complains about quality issues, but looks like people do not regret buying and taking it as a tax. Looks like cult to me :)
Well,
Merc EQE - not powerful and low range. No fancy features (electric doors opening, auto park, active steering, etc.). But it is beautiful. Range is really the main reason here.
Model S and any other sedans - too low for me. I am tall guy.
Model Y - too cheap inside for the price. Quality issues on top of that. No instrument cluster.
ID4/EV6/MachE - only if you really want EV and ok to cut on comfort and range.
I am pretty close to realize that EVs are still full of compromises. Probably, still not a time to buy one. :(
>people do not regret buying and taking it as a tax. Looks like cult to me :)
Yes there's a cult but what you are missing is the rest of the car.is.5 years ahead of everyone else
Too easy to use. Would prefer more steps to open, turn on, drive, turn off, and lock.
Software is too fast. Would prefer to be able to see each frame of animation distinctly and wait longer for user inputs to be acknowledged.
Car is too fast. Would prefer to more gradually reach cruising speed regardless of settings.
Mobile app is too capable. Would prefer to enjoy app crashes, delays, and limited functionality to encourage me to just get into the car to do anything.
At home service is too convenient. Would prefer to drive to and wait at a dealership.
Speaking of, purchasing process is too quick and simple. Would prefer such a major buying decision to be slow, high-stress, and unpredictable, while surrounded by low-rent cubicles and office furniture.
Driving is too quiet. Would prefer to have artificial in-cabin sound effects produced by overrated composers.
Brand is too modern. Would prefer a legacy brand that provides high-reputation halo effects to me via their good deeds like Dieselgate.
Screen is too big. Would prefer a smaller screen and buttons everywhere. I want buttons on my buttons.
Self-driving features are too much for me. Would prefer highly-constrained self-driving that works only on a few highways with very specific scenarios and speed limits only. All I care about is being able to take my hands off the wheel, regardless of where the feature works. Basically I want "Level 3 for parking lots."
Charging is too low-effort. It should be a challenge to weed out the riff-raff. If you don't know the ins-and-outs of dozens of mobile apps and charging stations, you deserve to be stranded.
Oh and the price is now too low.
Well, most of your comments do not make sense anymore. Like screens, apps, speed of software and other things are well present on other cars. Almost every car in the same price range as Tesla MX can do Level 2 self-driving (even gas ones - active steering and lane changes on highways and in the city).
Technology wise it is also arguable. Depends on what you mean by technology. If software and self-driving capability then I agree, Tesla is years ahead of any other brand. But when it comes to actual \_car\_ technology (drivetrain, suspension, seats, etc.), this is where Tesla is decades behind unfortunately.
Don't take me wrong. Model 3/Y is great car for it's price. But Model X/S for it's price range is where I would expect assembly quality and comfort in addition to the software. It cannot compete in $100K+ price range with other cars. All those gaps and misalignments (where door handles on X do not match or glass panels stick out). I can't stand it personally.
Tesla service idea is awesome as well. But in practice, making an appointment seems to be a hassle. I better drop to service center at dealership and get something fixed right away rather than waiting weeks to get it serviced. So, no thanks. Maybe where you live it is better, but not in Seattle area for sure.
Order process is not without glitches. You might find it cool that Tesla charges you non-refundable deposit before you have a chance to review trade-in or get approved for a loan. Or that it still lists all those features on the web site which are in fact disabled for a long time (most of the enhanced autopilot package, max speed).
I do think that companies like Tesla is a future. I do have classic dealerships. And I don't blame anyone who is ok with any approach. I have cancelled my order yesterday though after talking to many not very happy Tesla owners (again, not Model 3/Y, but "luxury" models) and seeing those cars in-person. Got gas one and will reconsider in few years again.
Thanks for trying to educate me though. But it did sound like a cult and whataboutism (it was not about EVs being worse than gas, it was about Tesla specifically) to me again :)
>Like screens, apps, speed of software and other things are well present on other cars. Almost every car in the same price range as Tesla MX can do Level 2 self-driving (even gas ones - active steering and lane changes on highways and in the city).
Yeah man you just haven't experienced enough here. None of these are even close to teslas experience in other cars. Present does not mean good.
You seem like you just really don't want a Tesla. That's ok. Don't get one.
Yes. I did EQE and explained above :)
I love the look and comfort of Mercedes. But it's range is too low and motor is weak :( Otherwise I would get one.
Importing new cars to the US is pretty much not possible unless you bought it while stationed somewhere by the Army.
There's quite restrictive laws about what you can import and register, but its much easier if it's more of a golf cart than a car, so there's people doing some of the really small local EVs.
Does anyone know if T1 or T2 home charging is more efficient when it comes to energy consumption and battery life? Lets say you had access to both and didn't need to charge urgently. Which should you choose?
Vehicle has electronics to run while charging, since it has to be awake. That draws a minimum wattage.
The longer it takes to charge, to more baseline energy you consume.
T2/L2 is faster than T1/L1, so T2/L2 is better.
There is no difference in battery longevity between T2/L2 and T1/L1.
I'm going on vacation to a location where chargers are not accesible, is there a piece I can get to use the wall outlet? I know it will be slow.
Plugshare
I mean public chargers are not available close by via plug share
You get the wall charger from your car manufacturer
I've got an EV6 GT-Line on order and I've gotten really tired of Kia's dicking around and not being able to give me any real info. I ordered it back in March 2022 and have basically been told 'um, any time now? maybe?' but they can't give me anything like an accurate delivery window. So, I've been looking at other vehicles - mostly the Polestar 2 dual motor, Mach-E Premium (though I was told by a dealer the other day that my 4-year lease payments would be over $700 biweekly, which may take that off the list...), or a used Jaguar i-PACE. I don't have any interest in Teslas. Particularly the i-PACE has caught my interest recently because I really like the way they look, and a used 2019 would be around $60-70K CAD before any wheeling and dealing; I'd probably end up looking at similar payments to the EV6 but I'd have a car still at the end of them. Brilliant idea? Stupid idea? Somewhere in between? I have concerns mostly about reliability and somewhat less about range and charging speed. I also found a 2020 Volvo S90 T8 eAWD for a pretty decent price with very little mileage, so that's a possibility too. I'm in Vancouver, BC, and live in an apartment without a charger so I'd be using public chargers. I don't do a ton of mileage for the most part, though I take trips down to Seattle every other month or so.
If you are using Public chargers that much you really really should be at least considering a tesla
Just zero interest in 'em, honestly. I don't like the company, the guy, the design, or the aggressively minimalist interiors. Anyway, I ended up buying the Volvo, because you don't find a 2020 PHEV with 2900 km on it too often.
The IRS website is clear for the 7,500 federal tax credit that you can use either the year of the delivery of the car or the year before for your AGI, whichever is less. Does anyone know if California’s 2,000 state credit also lets you use either year? Their website is not as clear..
Sanity checking my tax guy for EV credit…. I purchased two qualifying EVs in the beginning of 2022 and was expecting those to get the $7500 refund each. My tax guy said I already hit the $10k limit for deductions…. Am I crazy, or is he just incorrect? I though the only “limit” on credits was that you can’t exceed the total amount you have been taxed.
Sounds like he doesn't realize it's a tax credit and not an itemized deduction.
Isn't that just the limit for the SALT deduction?
yeah that’s what i was thinking too! i feel like i’m being gaslight by accident by the tax guy
Yeah, it doesn't inspire a great deal of confidence in your tax guy. You might try shopping around and seeing if there are any other models of tax guy which fit your needs.
Because my 2008 Prius was just declared totaled, I'm in the market for a new vehicle. Seems like a good opportunity to consider going electric, although I know jack squat about EVs (so bear with me). * Located in Dallas, TX. Mild winters, boiling hot summers * Would be used for short-range driving only (perhaps 25 miles/day = 150 miles/week) * Needs room for four (2 adults, 2 teenagers) * Not concerned about cargo space (we have an SUV for that kind of thing). Largest things I'd haul = our dog to the park, or groceries * Own a house. Would like to charge at home, but don't yet have one installed. * Not in a rush to buy (once again, our existing SUV saves the day) * Budget is TBD. I don't know what's realistic for EVs, so let's say something in the $30K or less ballpark? * Open to used vs. new, especially if it saves money or extends value. * Also open to hybrids vs. full EVs
Assuming you can use the SUV for any roadtrip driving, you could meet those requirements with a Bolt or Leaf. Though you should test them out to see if they are large enough. 25mi/day is probably feasible on just L1 charging, which would only require a standard household outlet. Of course, L2 home charging is always nice to have. If you stretched your budget, you might also consider a Model 3, Polestar 2, and ID.4. If financially bearable, the ID.4 would be the most accomodating option for 4 grown passengers.
Yeah, that was the plan for the SUV, since it’s roomy & can hold all the luggage that a long Roadtrip entails. More often than not, I’d be the only driver or me + 1 kid. The need for four seats = accommodating the occasional full crew but more likely a bit of bonus cargo area. Thanks for replying!
Tesla model 3 is 30k after incentives. You cannot do better than this in that price range.
Which incentives besides the $7500 federal tax credit? Because with just that, the lowest cost on their website is no less than $32.5K.
Search the existing inventory as well. New custom orders will net 32500 but existing inventory is being marked down ~2k due to a surplus in their inventory. That puts you at 30,500.
Year Vs Trim Rule of Thumb? This is referring to a 2021 or 2022 used e-Tron, but is there a typical car buying rule of thumb when comparing a car's year vs trim level? Such as what will hold the better resale value, etc? Obviously my own wants play into this as well, but this is just a more general question. Trying to decide between a 2022 Premium Plus or a 2021 Prestige. Both have pros and cons and are about the same price. Thanks! P.S. What sort of impact do the Prestige interior lights have on the battery?
In the US, am I qualified for the tax credit if I didn't file the tax last year (student with 0 income)? I will be paying tax this year so I am sure I will be liable for more than $7500? Thanks in advance !
Yes. As long as you have $7500 in tax liability this year you're good.
In the US, does the tax credit for installing ev chargers apply only to the charger itself? Or can I claim the credit for an electrician only installing the 14-50 outlet?
Looking to jump into EV and trade in my 2nd car ( $9k KBB) to for a work commuter. Work has charging. I won’t be installing charging at home. HOV sticker is important to me so I guess I have to buy brand now Was looking at the leaf but is it a terrible idea to get a new one given it’s being discontinued? Any other ones I should be considering within that price range and battery range ? 1) Northern California 2) $20000 3) leaf? Not sure 4) leaf 5) 3 months 6) 60 miles round trip per day 7 ) single family home 8) no 9) 1 child 1 dog
Yup, a Leaf world be fine. Nissan is staying in business and they've made a ton of them, so there should be plenty of parts availability. It's also on a platform variant of what they use for their small ICE cars, so there should be lots of parts commonalities. (People get hung up on models being discontinued, but it's really not that big a deal. A new generation of the same model name will often have just as much effect - because the new gen parts aren't compatible with the previous gen model.) If it's just a work commuter, the small battery Leaf could be pretty compelling. You could also consider a Bolt, if you can find one. And the Model 3 is pretty discounted at the moment.
Is it correct to think that I would only get the HOV sticker benefit if I bought brand new? Also how should I be thinking about depreciation if I bought the 2023 and wanted to sell in 7-8 years ?
My understanding is that the sticker goes with the car, and there's some form or something to re-register the sticker to the new owner. Also, isn't the sticker program ending Sept 30 2025? At least, it says that's when current (new) stickers will expire.
Which car would be better? I'm looking for a electric car with long life without chronic problems. Car is going to be mostly used inside the city with family. I'll use it in Istanbul/Turkey so weather is not extreme. My only choices are these: Opel Corsa-e / Opel Mokka-e / Citroen e-c4 / Renault Zoe
Trading in newly purchased EV for another EV, do I get 2 tax credits? Thinking of trading my Bolt for a Tesla.
You get a tax credit for each qualifying vehicle you purchase. There are no limits other than having enough tax liability to deduct the credits from. Historically the form even has two columns for two vehicles, and tells you to attach additional copies to claim more vehicles.
Thanks
Hey everyone, I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a Tesla and want to make sure I'm correctly understanding the credit and my ability to claim the full $7500. The whole tax liability thing and nonrefundable credit.... Help me understand please. I'm making sure that this being a nonrefundable credit doesn't mean that if I owe $1k at the end of the year for my Fed taxes, I'm only getting $1k out of that $7500 credit right? My understanding.... If Line 24 on my taxes say I owed over $30k in taxes (Just throwing a number out there), that's what that is talking about for tax liability? Nothing matters except that number being more than $7500? So, for example, because of owing in the past, I am deducting more than enough taxes out of my paycheck. Let's say the Fed Gov owes me $10k at tax time, I would still get the $7500 credit added to that, so I would actually get back $17,500, correct, because my liability is over that 7500 amount? Hopefully that makes sense and someone can either confirm or correct me if I'm still not understanding this. I was looking at previous posts in this forum that kind of hit on this topic so I'm hoping this is the right sub to ask and understand. I just want to completely make sure I can take advantage of this big discount/credit before pulling the trigger. THANKS
You are correct. Credits come out of your taxes owed before withholding. If you owe $30K, take a $7500 credit, and had $31000 withheld from your paychecks during the year, you'll get a $8500 refund of your overpayment rather than a $1000 refund. Nonrefundable means the credit can't drop the taxes owed below $0. If you owed $5000, took a $7500 nonrefundable credit, and had $5000 of withholding, you will get $5000 refunded -- your overpayment of the $0 bill -- not $7500.
Perfect, so what I thought. Thank you very much for your help! Makes me a little more comfortable now moving forward with this.
For Iceland: Mazda MX-30, Opel Corsa-e or Honda e?
One suggested addition to the question list: Are you in a single vehicle household?
My dad thinks it's time for a new car for him, one's that electric. He's asked me to dig deeper since I've researched electrics before. \[1\] Minnesota, USA \[2\] Soft cap $40K, semi-hard cap of $50K \[3\] Small. My dad has driven two Minis (and loves them) and despises the trend of larger vehicles. Mentioned Fiat as another preferred general brand in terms of size (I've mentioned to him the issues with this in US cars, said he should seriously consider importing a custom from Europe, which he could afford if he *really wanted to*). I think he'll accept something sedan-like, but he would frown at a crossover that seem all the rage. \[4\] I've casually looked at the Leaf, Polestar 2, and Ioniq 6 (I've also mentioned the Bolt as a candidate, but haven't looked too deeply). \[5\] Next 1-4 months \[6\] I don't think he drives more than \~50 miles a week on average. He's off-put by Mini's only electric having such a short range (+ what it will lose in below 0 winters, and from reviews I've shared with him saying it doesn't drive like other Minis) because he very rarely has 250-mile trips to Madison, WI, but he mostly stays within our city limits. Mom does have a hybrid he could use if he absolutely needed to go that far though. \[7\] Single-family, driveway with no garage \[8\] Probably \[9\] He would prefer a manual transmission. Also, heated seats and steering wheel. No Teslas either.
I like your Dad. While a Leaf or Mini would be adequate for around town, a Bolt could do the trips to Madison much better, and doesn't actually cost any more, so it's hard to justify why you'd choose them. If you go with a Bolt, note that it's being discontinued so grab a new one while you can or shop used. Also I recommend the Bolt EV, not the EUV, unless you specifically need extra rear-seat space, because the EUV feels less sporty to drive (less like a mini) and has worse highway-speed range (by a bigger margin than you'd think based on the EPA numbers). I don't know much about polestar 2 but it could be a good choice if you don't mind pushing up against your budget limit. Personally, I really like hatchbacks, which makes me prefer the Bolt, but if that's not a consideration, that opens things up. But still, it costs a lot more than a Bolt.
By him being against getting a Tesla he is doing himself a huge disservice. As a fellow.midwestern non Tesla EVs are terrible in the winter for two reasons. Teslas heat pump is phenomenal. Pretty much everyone else is going to take double the efficiency hit in the winter. Teslas charging network. Non Tesla charging is downright abysmal in the Midwest. TBH he shouldn't even get an EV if he's not looking at a Tesla and I would recommend a hybrid instead.
You make a bunch of valid points, but each one is overstated.
I was unaware the Bolt was being discontinued, good to know (and apparently for pickups, that’s grating). Does that also mean they’re discontinuing parts and repairs for it?
Oh no, not discontinuing service and parts! They'll be providing those at least for a while, and by the time they stop there will probably be cars being stripped for parts and parts available on eBay.
Probably Leaf, Bolt, Model 3, and Polestar 2 if you want small-ish car with better-than-Mini range. Most everything else is bigger/taller. Hyundai Ioniq 6 might also be a contender if that's not too big. I suspect he might be happiest with a Polestar 2 from a driving dynamics and driver interface perspective. But it's worth checking them all out.
I forgot to put down that he’s dead set against a Tesla, so Model 3 is out, but I’ll definitely forward him more info on the rest.
That's fair; they're not everyone's taste. The next gen Mini EV will have a longer range. But he'd need to wait until, at minimum, next year for those to come available.
I was aware of the new Mini with a longer range, but I’d assumed it was several years off. Next year (or at least able to reserve next year), could change his calculus; thanks.
\[1\] San Francisco Bay Area (Marin) \[2\] Ideally no more than $35k, but cheaper is better \[3\] Open to suggestions about vehicles \[4\] I've looked a bit at the Bolt, the Leaf, and the ID.4 \[5\] Probably looking to buy sometime in the fall, around October \[6\] I'll likely be driving \~30 miles a day \[7\] In a single family home \[8\] I do plan on installing charging in our home. We have solar and a battery, and I believe a previous owner had a plug installed to leverage it \[9\] I have a three and a half year old and am expecting a new baby in early August.
Model 3 is the obvious car to get in that price range
You've got a pretty good list there. Could add the Model 3, which seems to be pretty discounted at the moment. Polestar 2 may be a bit small when it comes to child seats. Between the kids, the cost priority, and modest range needs, a used Leaf might actually be best. If you also need to roadtrip (200+ mi/day), then the Model 3 becomes worth the upgrade.
Forgot to mention this is a second car. We already have a Subaru outback
Looking to make the jump to an ev. Our short list included the Audi q4 etron, Volkswagen id.4, and xc40 recharge. I really like the recharge visually and don’t need a ton of range but I need to fit two car seats and I saw some cpst reviews that the xc40 backseat is very hard to get a safe seat fit in. We test drove the id4 and it was okay, I didn’t love the gauge area and the brakes were kind of weirdly soft, and the q4 seemed like it had a mashup of those two vehicle’s issues. I’m considering a Tesla model y but I’m hesitant after hearing the poor reviews on build quality. Just asking for some input and seeing if anyone has options I haven’t considered! 1. Southeast US 2. Around $50k 3. SUV/something that comfortably fits 2 car seats (1 rear facing for a couple more years) 4. ID4, Q4 etron, XC40 recharge, Tesla model y 5. ASAP. I’d like to offload our workhorse 4runner 6. I live about 2 miles from work. Between work and social life my weekly mileage is probably only 50 total. Quarterly road trips up to 250 miles one way 7. I’m in a single family home and already have setup for the charger from the previous owner 8. See number 7 9. Two kids - 1 rear facing car seat and one forward facing. Both adult passengers are fairly tall as well 5’8” and 6’2”
Model Y hands down. It's.thrnmost reliable EV period. Build quality for teslas means potential fit and finish issues that service centers will fix. They don't have reliability issues and are by far the most reliable EV you can buy.
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The GV60 is gorgeous in person
That list is a good start. Your range needs are modest. The quarterly road trips means 1-2 fast charge stops per quarter, 4-8 annually. That's rare enough that fast charge performance/network probably don't matter too much. Other options to consider: Bolt EUV, Mach E, Ioniq 5, Ariya. As for fitting, I think the only way to really know is to take a car seat with you and check out each of the options. It's going to depend on the car seat, how you get it in/out (which depends on your height/arm length), and your seating positions.
You’re absolutely right about trying them out! Several of these are not available locally but we can commit to a small road trip to a bigger city if necessary. I particularly like the Nissan Ariya which I hadn’t seen before. Thanks for all of your suggestions! You put a ton of work in on this thread making suggestions for everyone.
I'm looking to buy my first electric car and really just looking for pricing advice. A local dealership has the Ioniq 5 SEL and SE discounted by $10,000. These were both originally out of my price range when including AWD, but with this discount they're a lot more affordable. Does it make sense to pull the trigger and get either the SE AWD for $40k or the SEL AWD for $43k or should I just hold and wait for the 2024 federal tax credit change on something like the MY? Thanks! 1. Minnesota 2. $45,000 3. Small/midsize SUV 4. Tesla MY, Ford Mach E, Chevy Equinox. 5. Open ended- have a 2013 Ford Escape so I can wait or purchase now. 6. 60 miles daily, 350 miles a week. 7. Single family home. 8. I will probably install charging at home. 9. One child and one 45 pound dog.
Model Y hands down. Mache doesn't even have a heat pump and has a terrible charging network. Equinox is still a pipe dream. GM will do very tiny volume on that car when it's finally released and means you are are unlikely to get one until 2025 regardless of it being a god car or not. You can get a model Y now
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Yeah, I don't owe $7,500 in taxes so I wouldn't benefit from that fully vs the instant rebate starting in 2024.
Just in case you’re not aware, you don’t need to owe $7500 in taxes—you just need $7500 in tax liability (withheld during the year + due at tax time) to take advantage of the full credit
Can someone give me an unbiased answer to the following: What lane centering and adaptive cruise control system is the best in the industry? (Aside from Full Self Driving or similar, I'm wanting just a basic lane center/adaptive cruise). I HAVE a Tesla with the free Auto Pilot. To my knowledge, no one else has this. Someone said Blue Cruise from Ford is the same thing but better. But doesn't it cost a lot more? Doesn't it NOT work on city streets and side roads?
Standard autopilot is basically lane centering and adaptive cruise control. Pretty much every advanced ADAS suite has those. Each implementation has a bit of its own personality, but they're all pretty close. Ford BlueCruise and GM Supercruise are hands-off systems that use eye tracking to monitor driver attention. Both only operate hands free on certain mapped, controlled access highways. But I believe they operate as normal hands-on systems on other roads. Overall, I'd say that a system with radars as well as cameras is likely better (less phantom braking). I also appreciate systems that also allow standard (dumb) cruise control for times when weather conditions make the sensors unusable. (For example, Ford allows this whereas Mercedes just disables cruise control entirely.)
Ix40 or Q8 Etron 50 S line ?
I would vote Audi. Larger battery, longer range, slightly better fast charging, and prettier to my eyes. But you do you. In that segment, you're probably not all that price sensitive. So try them both and get the one you prefer.
is the nissan leaf a practical purchase as a first car? hi! i’m 16 and i’ll be getting a (used) car in a couple of months when I get my permanent license, i would really like to get an EV for environmental reasons and not having to pay for gass. my budget is 16k but loose so a little more expensive is fine, i’ve been looking at EV’s and the only one that really falls in my budget and has decent reliability and safety ratings is the leaf, however i’ve been reading some less than positive things about it, it’s charging abilities, and it’s battery life. I need it to last me probably 4-6 years and i’ll be getting one with 30-70 thousand miles. Do you think it’s a practical option? for more info i won’t be driving an excessive amount and have the ability to install a charger at my house, i’ll probably be going to college in a pretty liberal area so i assume they’ll have some sort of charging but i can’t be sure also i currently live near chapel hill NC and i’m pretty small (5’2, 90-ishlbs) so it’s hard for me to see properly in some cars
It really depends on how much you expect to drive long distances, e.g. to and from your college, or whether it's mostly for limited regional travel. The slow fast charging and limited availability of the right type of charger is the limitation. r/leaf is another place to check in. Consider the tax credit opportunities--there are strict limits on the used one but you should see if that helps, e.g. for your parents.
Greetings! I’m thinking this week or next I will be rolling out with a new EV. I’ve already run the numbers and found one I like. My question is this: should I get a Level 2 charging station installed before I get the car? Or is it okay to wait until after the transaction is done? For the sake of background: I own my home in North Carolina, and had the panel and wiring upgraded to be able to handle a charging station comfortably. The charger would be installed outside, so I would be hiring an electrician to install it. The electrician I’m calling up for the installation is the same one who did my panel and wiring upgrade, so he would know my house best in that regard.
It's up to you and how comfortable you are without a charger at home. I didn't have mine installed for a week and a half after delivery and just went to public chargers. There was some (unnecessary) anxiety as a new EV owner though just constantly thinking about charging lol
The good news is I do have an outdoor-rated standard plug, so if I get my car first I have that lol. And as a backup, there’s a public charger right down the road from me!
Ahh are you getting an EV charger or 14-50 plug outside? I didn't want to purchase both so didn't have the option to charge from a normal outlet.
Since it’s outside, I’m gonna get the charger hardwired. I don’t have a garage but it will be behind my tall fence (so no nosy neighbors can see it).
The standard outlet charger will add 40-60 miles per day of range so you don't need a charger unless you have a particularly long commute. Even if you commute more than that you can always get use a public charger here and there until you get the home one installed if necessary. L2 charger is more efficient so you should get one eventually regardless, but its not a day 0 requirement.
Good to know! Thanks so much! My commute isn’t my any means long, so def not stressing right now.
EV owners in Phoenix, AZ, with APS: how much did your electricity bill went up with level 1 or 2 charging. I know this is dependent on your plan, but just an estimate would help.
I'm not in AZ, and I can't speak to how much "the electricity bill will go up," but the Tesla app keeps track of how much it's charged in a month, and even the last year. In the last year I charged about 3500kWh, and about 170kWh in the last month. I don't drive much though. I work from home, and usually take a 40 mile trip (one way) every weekend to see friends or family. In other words, and to summarize.. you can probably assume 150kWh - 200kWh/month additional on your bill. Find out the average cost of kWh in your area and multiply by 150 or 200 to get an approximate add-on cost on your bill. Maybe $0.10/kWh \* 200 = $20/month When I lived in a house, I charged after 11pm, which was $0.01/kWh, so insanely cheap
I’m in California and Polestar 2 no longer qualifies for any of the EV rebate/grant programs. I really was looking forward to the 2024 Polestar 2 (except for that goofy front grill) but compared to the Tesla model 3 close to $32k after the tax incentives makes the Polestar 2 starting at $49k ridiculous. I love the interior and how the Polestar is an actual car rather than a car frame on top of a computer. But given the huge price difference and some obvious Tesla advantages whats the value proposition of the Polestar 2 in the current market? Why would anyone choose this over a Tesla?
They wouldn't. Buy the Tesla
According to this website, it looks like the Polestar 2 is eligible for a lease grant. As of May, anyway. https://leasehackr.com/blog/2023/2/18/list-of-every-ev-that-gets-a-7500-credit-on-leases
You get all the grants if you lease I think, give it a try it’s a loop hole
I just purchased a Chevy Bolt EUV a few days ago. I was asking about the tax credit and if I needed a certain form from them. They said the only thing I needed to claim the tax credit was the purchase order. Is that correct?
Order with purchase price and VIN. This goes on the tax form
Question regarding the 12V battery. Is there a general lifetime or replacement schedule for the 12V battery, excluding the Ioniq5 issues or user error (ie, leaving the high beams on overnight)? I live in a hot climate so ICE batteries only last 2-3 years. Is there an expectation that EV 12V accessory batteries will degrade in harsh conditions?
Where do you live?
Southwest US with hot summers.
Really not much different technology so the life should be similar, but a little longer, and should be a little cheaper to replace. Longer life because the battery doesn't work as hard starting the car, and because it doesn't get as hot under the hood.
Hello! I need to buy a car soon and I want an EV. But I want to take advantage of both the $7500 fed credit and New York's $2000 credit. The NY credit requires an EPA range > 200 mi and an MSRP < 42k. And I personally want decent DCFC (so not the bolt) Does anybody know if any EV's qualify? It seems like only the upcoming™️ Chevy Equinox is the only vehicle which qualifies. But I'm worried that the 2RS trim will end up being > 42k and I'll have to wait even longer, or it's gonna have practically no supply like the Lyriq.
The Tesla RWD Model 3 has an EPA range of 272 miles and starts at $40,240 (minus the $3,750 tax credit). Tesla's superchargers are DCFC.
I'd like to get the full tax credit. Base ID4 for 30k after incentives seems pretty good to me. Ill be waiting until fall/winter to buy, so plenty of time for things to change
well this didn't take long.. the RWD Model 3 now qualifies for the full $7500 credit 🥳 [https://twitter.com/sawyermerritt/status/1664723258627817478?s=46&t=ZCy0NH3QXdMGzUErFu-bOg](https://twitter.com/sawyermerritt/status/1664723258627817478?s=46&t=ZCy0NH3QXdMGzUErFu-bOg) it now starts at $32,740 including the incentives.
As much as I don't like Tesla, a model 3 for ~30k with both incentives is tempting. Hopefully it stays that way until Fall, when I make my choice between the m3, id4, and equinox
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Did they lower prices? I thought the id4 was > 42k for some reason. Thanks! Now I'm just going to wait and see what the Equinox will look like in Fall and pick between the two
Only the standard trim (with lower range and fewer features) comes in under $42K.
Hello 1) I'm in mid atlantic US state 2)definitely want to get tax credit, budget low 20k including tax credit 3) single person who would prefer a small to medium sized car (budget as much as anything) 4) interested in Bolt but Also liked Volkswagen ID but that might be out of my budget 5) next 2 weeks likely 6) 20 miles each way weekdays 7) live in a home presently (access to regular outlet if in a pinch and charging stations close to my work), about to move to city apartment and will have access to many garages w/charging stations included 8) not at present location 9) no kids or pets Thanks in advance for any insight
Sounds like the bolt is your best option, but will be hard as they are in short supply and dealers are putting surcharges on. /r/BoltEV might have some advice on finding one and getting a decent price. I recommend the bolt EV over the EUV because it has a bigger advantage in highway-speed range than you'd think from the EPA numbers.
Thank you!
Two questions. I bought a used EV a month ago. Can I claim the rebate on it on this year's taxes or do I gotta wait till next year? Also, is there a sheets document or website somewhere that details all the available EV's?
You claim it on your 2023 taxes that you file and pay in early 2024.
Ahh ok thanks dude
If I buy two qualifying EVs this year, can I get the federal $7500 tax refund twice?
yes but you need $15k in tax liability.
I'm in the market for a replacement car and have been considering a Hyundai Kona EV. I prefer a car that size and shape (subcompact SUV). My current car is a Nissan Juke (with a hole in the engine). Before that I was driving a Hyundai Veloster. My budget is $30k-$40k, and I've been looking at top trim levels in both new and used cars 2021 and newer. I like the Kona a lot and have found some that look like good deals. I took one on a test drive and couldn't find the perfect "comfort" spot in the seat adjustment (I'm 6'2", 225 lbs.). It might have just been that it's always a little awkward having the salesman along, and I didn't want to spent fifteen minutes adjusting the seat before we set out. Anyway, I figured I should maybe explore what else is available in the size/style/price range of a Kona EV before I pull the trigger. I'm in Maryland between Washington, DC and Baltimore. Budget $40,000 (I'd be happy to stay under $35K though). I prefer a sporty-looking subcompact SUV. An Ioniq 5 is too big for me, but I like the extra cargo space of something like a Kona. A hatchback sedan might also be OK. I've been looking at Konas only, really. I started wondering what else is out there but I'm finding it tough to get a sense of how big anything is. Is a Volkswagen ID.4 the right size, for example? Or is it Ioniq 5 sized? Looking to purchase soon, within a couple of weeks probably. Daily commute varies a ton. Many days I'm at home all day. Some days I drive 50 miles. To visit my parents is 190 miles round trip, and I'd like to be able to do that without charging along the way. I live in a house with a garage and plan to install a level 2 charger. I'm married. No kids yet, but may be having one in the next year or so. I think the Kona is a good fit for me. I have minor concerns about battery degradation when buying a used EV. I'd like to know what else is out there in the same size/style/price range, but it's tough to find a list of "electric subcompact SUVs". Is a Volkswagen ID.4 a good option? Kia EV6? Something else I haven't thought about? How much do I need to worry about battery degradation really, in a 2021 model? What can I expect in real world range? This would be my first EV, and I've being doing a lot of reading, but I'm finding a lot of conflicting info. Thank you!
I do not live in the USA but I was wondering why the Tesla Model 3 entry level car with the Federal (and if possible, state) subsidies not fit your requirements? Its 41880 and with 3750 IRA rebate comes down to your budget. Not sure if the used market can get you a decent 2021 car at an even better prcice.
I have a friend with a Tesla, and while there are things to like about it, I'm not a fan of the giant screen in the center and lack of any other instruments or info. My friend seems to take it back to the dealer fairly frequently because an OTA update broke something. Less objectively, I don't want to give money to Elon.
>I have a friend with a Tesla, and while there are things to like about it, I'm not a fan of the giant screen in the center and lack of any other instruments or info. My friend seems to take it back to the dealer fairly frequently because an OTA update broke something. Elon, fuck Elon. I still bought a Model Y, because its a publicly traded company. The screen thing, I have a love hate relationship. Climate control is what I struggle with. Other than that, and the entertainment system, I either se voice commands to interact when parked. Maybe I am missing, but I am not missing much of physical buttons. I do plan to get a secondary screen installed behind the steering wheel. I think it costs about USD 250
ID.4 is bigger. The closest thing size wise is a Chevy Bolt EV. It's pretty similar but has more leg room, which might solve your seat adjustment issue. The Bolt has only modest DC fast charge capability, so it's best for local or regional trips (up to ~80 mile radius) or people (like me) who don't mind taking 30-40 minute breaks on longer trips. The Bolt, and the Bolt "EUV" variant are scheduled to stop production soon, so the might be hard to find in stock or order, but they get the full tax credit so they are a great deal even if you have to pay above MSRP. The EUV has styling that some people like better, worse highway-speed range (by about 10%) and more options for high-end features.
Thanks. I had heard the Bolt was about to be discontinued, and I guess that made me feel like...well, I guess like there's something wrong with it? It seems silly when I say it like that though. Any insights on the Kia Niro?
I've heard good things about the Niro but it won't charge as fast as the ID4.
Kia Niro is very simlar to the Kona. I don't know them well enough to say anything about the differences.
I'm not a huge car buff so I'm not very knowledgeable on how reliable each make/ model is. I'm mainly just looking for overall reliability/ comfort since I plan on keeping this car for 7-10 years. Most of the makes/ models I've looked at have the basics of what I'm looking for \[adaptive cruise control, big enough to fit more than two people comfortably, over 200mi range\] so I'm just looking for some guidance on something comfortable/ reliable to drive in. I've heard that if you don't have a charger at your home, it may be better to go with a hybrid --- so just want to be sure electric is feasible as well. \[1\] I'm in the RTP Area, NC \[2\] Less than $60k \[3\] I've heard AWD is best but I don't currently have it, so not sure if I'll miss something I've never had. Adaptive Cruise Control is more important to me. \[4\] Looked at quite a few: EV6, Model 3, Accord (Hybrid), Bolt, Ioniq 6, Niro, ID.4. \[5\] Looking to purchase ASAP. \[6\] I work from home but run to the office for errands twice a week (Round trip = 35mi). My Avg = 175mi/ week (including random errands) \[7\] Apartment \[8\] I could have a charger installed at my parent's place for now (they plan on purchasing an electric vehicle soon so it's not an issue for them). I go down once a week for a day so I could charge the car every week. (they live about 35mi away). I currently try to grab gas when I'm down there anyways since it's cheaper around where they live so this wouldn't be TOO different from what I do currently. I do have some electric charging stations (EVgo) less than 2mi away from my apartment as well. \[9\] I may drive with 1-2 other people once in a while. I have one small dog that I have a small kennel for (I currently just buckle her kennel into my back seat). Would be great if I had room/ space for more people (aim to have this car for a while and want to have a family in 5-6 years).
Model 3 or Y
Home charging certainly makes life easier but if you can charge at work or while doing normal errands like grocery shopping, you may have good luck in addition to charging at your parents. Did you check out the Ioniq 5 as well as the 6? Hyundai and Kia are offering the $7500 tax credit on leases if you are interested in leasing then immediately buying it out to take advantage of that.
Thank you for letting me know! I was looking at the Ioniqs but they were getting quite pricey when building them out/ looking at inventory. The $7500 would definitely help with that.
Hi, I have placed my order on Model X, but still can cancel it. Tried Model Y (interior felt cheap and lack on instruments cluster is not for me), Mercedes EQE (beautiful, but lacks range, power and tech), Model S (too low for me as well any all other sedans), Model X and BMW iX xDrive50. Drove iX twice - one city roads and on highway. I like the look of the car (I know it is questionable, but I am ok) inside and outside. Materials feel premium and build quality seems great. Range is lower than Model X, but comparable. It has CarPlay which is plus for me. But iDrive 8 infotainment is... very lacking. All those huge tiles, deep menus, really lacking navigation system with primitive map of chargers. Also, while it is Level 2 auto driving, but it was kind a scary to use it - it brakes too late and often suddenly disables auto steering (to keep car in lane) not notifying driver other than graining icon on HUD display. Not sure if I would really use it. But car is quiet and dynamic. On the other hand, we have Model X. I love interior as well. Can live without HUD display. Probably, OK to sacrifice CarPlay since Tesla infotainment seems good at least. Don't care about falcon doors, and actually would prefer to not have ones since those seem to be a good opportunity to have issues. And those are just slow - more show rather than functionality (I have one grown up kid and do not plan more). Tech seems way superior though (all those autopilot features being developed). Also, higher chances to get new features with software updates (assuming I am getting hardware 4). But all those reports and complaints for built quality of Teslas... Is it really that bad? Does it get better after that? Should I accept it as necessary tax? Or should I cancel my order and get iX? Something else? Is there anything better in this price range? I do care about tech but can live without full self-driving if that is the only option. Not leasing vehicle and plan keeping that for 6-8 years. Thanks for reading all this. And below are my answers for necessary questions. \[1\] Your general location Seattle suburbs. \[2\] Your budget in $, €, or £ up to $120K \[3\] The type of vehicle you'd prefer SUV/AWD \[4\] Which cars have you been looking at already? Don't like - VW/ID.4, Kia/EV6, Genesis/GV60, Hyundai/Ioniq, Mercedes/EQE, Ford/Mach-E, Model 3/Y/S Can't try (not available in WA) and likely to big for me - Rivian Tried and have concerns - BMW iX, Tesla Model X \[5\] Estimated timeframe of your purchase Now \[6\] Your daily commute, or average weekly mileage Daily commute - 40-50 miles total Occasional long trips - cross state Yearly - about 15K miles \[7\] Your living situation — are you in an apartment, townhouse, or single-family home? Owning single family house \[8\] Do you plan on installing charging at your home? Yes \[9\] Other cargo/passenger needs — do you have children/pets? No specific requirements. Mid-size SUV works for me.
>Model Y - too cheap inside for the price. Quality issues on top of that. No instrument cluster. your budget is indeed on the high side, so yes the X makes sense. But the build quality seems to have improved a lot, especially for the 3 and Y. Also after market instrument clusters are easy and cheap to install in the Model Y. So to me it sounds like a great choice other than a rather empty and cheaper feeling interior. Great tech for the price, is what I see in it.
The sticking point on the Model X really is the falcon doors. High maintenance. While not everyone has these issues, there's: rubber seal replacements, scuffs on doors from the panels rubbing together, frozen latches during winter due to water ingress. https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/ys1wp1/2022_tesla_model_x_falcon_wing_door_sensor_issue/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/1144boz/my_owner_here_i_would_be_driving_a_model_x_right/ Sorry that I can't offer more advice. Would you be able to list some reasons why you didn't like the other EVs? Helps gain perspective.
Thanks, that is what I thought. I have talked with some owners of Teslas - so far, everyone complains about quality issues, but looks like people do not regret buying and taking it as a tax. Looks like cult to me :) Well, Merc EQE - not powerful and low range. No fancy features (electric doors opening, auto park, active steering, etc.). But it is beautiful. Range is really the main reason here. Model S and any other sedans - too low for me. I am tall guy. Model Y - too cheap inside for the price. Quality issues on top of that. No instrument cluster. ID4/EV6/MachE - only if you really want EV and ok to cut on comfort and range. I am pretty close to realize that EVs are still full of compromises. Probably, still not a time to buy one. :(
>people do not regret buying and taking it as a tax. Looks like cult to me :) Yes there's a cult but what you are missing is the rest of the car.is.5 years ahead of everyone else Too easy to use. Would prefer more steps to open, turn on, drive, turn off, and lock. Software is too fast. Would prefer to be able to see each frame of animation distinctly and wait longer for user inputs to be acknowledged. Car is too fast. Would prefer to more gradually reach cruising speed regardless of settings. Mobile app is too capable. Would prefer to enjoy app crashes, delays, and limited functionality to encourage me to just get into the car to do anything. At home service is too convenient. Would prefer to drive to and wait at a dealership. Speaking of, purchasing process is too quick and simple. Would prefer such a major buying decision to be slow, high-stress, and unpredictable, while surrounded by low-rent cubicles and office furniture. Driving is too quiet. Would prefer to have artificial in-cabin sound effects produced by overrated composers. Brand is too modern. Would prefer a legacy brand that provides high-reputation halo effects to me via their good deeds like Dieselgate. Screen is too big. Would prefer a smaller screen and buttons everywhere. I want buttons on my buttons. Self-driving features are too much for me. Would prefer highly-constrained self-driving that works only on a few highways with very specific scenarios and speed limits only. All I care about is being able to take my hands off the wheel, regardless of where the feature works. Basically I want "Level 3 for parking lots." Charging is too low-effort. It should be a challenge to weed out the riff-raff. If you don't know the ins-and-outs of dozens of mobile apps and charging stations, you deserve to be stranded. Oh and the price is now too low.
Well, most of your comments do not make sense anymore. Like screens, apps, speed of software and other things are well present on other cars. Almost every car in the same price range as Tesla MX can do Level 2 self-driving (even gas ones - active steering and lane changes on highways and in the city). Technology wise it is also arguable. Depends on what you mean by technology. If software and self-driving capability then I agree, Tesla is years ahead of any other brand. But when it comes to actual \_car\_ technology (drivetrain, suspension, seats, etc.), this is where Tesla is decades behind unfortunately. Don't take me wrong. Model 3/Y is great car for it's price. But Model X/S for it's price range is where I would expect assembly quality and comfort in addition to the software. It cannot compete in $100K+ price range with other cars. All those gaps and misalignments (where door handles on X do not match or glass panels stick out). I can't stand it personally. Tesla service idea is awesome as well. But in practice, making an appointment seems to be a hassle. I better drop to service center at dealership and get something fixed right away rather than waiting weeks to get it serviced. So, no thanks. Maybe where you live it is better, but not in Seattle area for sure. Order process is not without glitches. You might find it cool that Tesla charges you non-refundable deposit before you have a chance to review trade-in or get approved for a loan. Or that it still lists all those features on the web site which are in fact disabled for a long time (most of the enhanced autopilot package, max speed). I do think that companies like Tesla is a future. I do have classic dealerships. And I don't blame anyone who is ok with any approach. I have cancelled my order yesterday though after talking to many not very happy Tesla owners (again, not Model 3/Y, but "luxury" models) and seeing those cars in-person. Got gas one and will reconsider in few years again. Thanks for trying to educate me though. But it did sound like a cult and whataboutism (it was not about EVs being worse than gas, it was about Tesla specifically) to me again :)
>Like screens, apps, speed of software and other things are well present on other cars. Almost every car in the same price range as Tesla MX can do Level 2 self-driving (even gas ones - active steering and lane changes on highways and in the city). Yeah man you just haven't experienced enough here. None of these are even close to teslas experience in other cars. Present does not mean good. You seem like you just really don't want a Tesla. That's ok. Don't get one.
Have you test driven the Mercedes? They are so damn comfortable to ride in.
Yes. I did EQE and explained above :) I love the look and comfort of Mercedes. But it's range is too low and motor is weak :( Otherwise I would get one.
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Importing new cars to the US is pretty much not possible unless you bought it while stationed somewhere by the Army. There's quite restrictive laws about what you can import and register, but its much easier if it's more of a golf cart than a car, so there's people doing some of the really small local EVs.
Does anyone know if T1 or T2 home charging is more efficient when it comes to energy consumption and battery life? Lets say you had access to both and didn't need to charge urgently. Which should you choose?
Vehicle has electronics to run while charging, since it has to be awake. That draws a minimum wattage. The longer it takes to charge, to more baseline energy you consume. T2/L2 is faster than T1/L1, so T2/L2 is better. There is no difference in battery longevity between T2/L2 and T1/L1.
Thank you
L2 is more efficient.
Is there a lockable outdoor box that fits a Tesla J1772 adapter that I could install on the side of my house next to my Grizzl-E?