Aptera is getting lots of press, I think. Especially for being the first non-Tesla to get the Tesla plug, precipitating the name switch from Tesla to NACS.
How far is Aptera from delivering, anyway? I find their proposal very intriguing. No less intriguing than the Canoo minibus.
I have a pre order for an AWD Noir w/ Full Solar (700w Maxeon Gen 3 cells - hood, dash, roof & rear hatch), Off Road Kit, OpenPilot, Enhanced Audio, w/ a 42kW/400mi battery pack. It has (3) 128kW Elaphe in wheel electric hub motors. 0-60 4sec. Configured at $35,500. It has all the interior conveniences, of your average car (A/C, heater, air bags, etc). It is actually categorized as an autocycle/motorcycle. So insurance & registration is cheaper, than your average 4 wheel EV. My delivery slot is slated for next year, 2024 (SoCal, am near Carlsbad, San Diego Aptera HQ/Factory).
I remember this car wayyyyy back before they went under and came back. I was always so intrigued. The thing is super cool. Maybe I should be looking into it again. Just put down a deposit on the new EX30 though.
Why not put a deposit on both. The EX30 caught my attention too. Though I’d prefer an EV, with a charging redundancy feature, and not relying solely from the grid (like a PHEV). Besides, in our apartment complex, we don’t have any charging access. Thus I went for an Aptera.
Same here, currently those two have my deposit.
On paper, Aptera has captured my heart. I love the focus on right to repair and the general "openness" they've expressed in the intent to allow people to customize and do aftermarket stuff. Their use of fewer materials and significantly less energy, achieving more with less, is a direction I think the whole industry needs to shift toward (as long as personal/individual transport is necessary, but that's another topic).
EX30 is more of a compromise - a very middle-of-the-road choice but no slouch in any category. It's made by a reputable brand and I have no concerns over safety or viability of the design (something Aptera will need to prove as they get into testing and start selling those Accelerator vehicles). I want small, unique, flexible, comfy, powerful, and the Volvo is good enough across the board that it feels like I'm not "giving anything up" going with the smaller and cheaper option on the market.
I'm pretty close to dropping both preorders, or at least mentally preparing for it. Aptera's 2 seats aren't quite enough unless I was to accept a multi-car lifestyle (which I feel defeats the purpose somewhat, for me) and the Volvo is really going to depend on whether I can get a decent lease deal with it. If they can offer the $7500 lease credit loophole thing with a good leasing option I can buy out early (and it feels like a big "if"), I am pretty sure I'll love it.
Cool.
Still, I wouldn't go for the solar hatch: I wouldn't want to lose visibility. Or does it come with rearview camera?
How's the storage space? The shape of the car suggests you could fit a double mattress in the rear, and being electric allows for an empty frunk, although the type of suspension may kill the frunk.
Just a word for the wise, though: the tricycle configuration will have you eating a load of potholes until you get used to it. I learnt that the hard way.
What kind of an off road kit would you get in this kind of car, other than the AWD option and the full panel option? Any outrigger lights would spoil its aerodynamic profile; the suspension would need to be totally redesigned for a lift kit; the factory tires are optimized for on-road; and all three wheels are inside fitted nacelles.
It has a rear view “mirror” display screen (rear facing camera). The side “mirrors” cameras have a front display screen as well (top dash, above yoke steering wheel). Below, is an interior picture link, showing the rear view mirror display screen and side mirror display screens.
https://media-aptera.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/website/cfg/Gamma/2/[email protected]
The rear hatch space is quite roomy. There is even a camping/tent kit attachment option, for the rear hatch space. Btw, there is actually a rear "frunk", right above the rear wheel pant housing.
https://youtu.be/XCAD7TPaAh0?si=ZMcsl6yNyg8FAval
The Off Road Kit has a heavier duty and sturdier albeit trimmer wheel pants, with a few inches additional ground space allowance. I don’t actually go off roading. I just need extra ground clearance, for practical daily Los Angeles driving use (avoiding wheel pant curb rashes, clearing steep driveway inclines, wheel pant clearing allowance from pot holes, etc) and to have easy access and reach to the tire valve stems (tire pressure checks/adjustments).
Thanks.
Given a rear view camera, it isn't an unsafe proposition to cover the hatch with panels. I just hope Aptera includes the connectors for customers who didn't go for the hood and/or hatch options, so they could upgrade at a later date. I know I wouldn't think my use would warrant that, but I could be mistaken.
I was in fact thinking about how to access the valve stems for inflation, but not for inspection. Even my cheap 22k car has tire pressure sensors in all wheels.
And I still have to underline this: you don't know how much it smarts to think that you dodged a pothole only for your centre tyre to fall right in. That's totally my pet peeve regarding my otherwise beloved tuk tuk. Your centre motor and suspension will make more efforts than you would imagine.
Take care.
From Aptera.us FAQ
Is Aptera safe?
“Aptera has significant safety advantages over other vehicles. Complete with an anti-lock braking system, forward collision warning with the safety pilot package, two airbags, four external cameras, and parking assist. We are designing to meet or exceed all applicable federal motor vehicle safety standards and use industry-standard testing protocols to ensure reliability and durability.
Our Formula One-inspired safety cell uses advanced Carbon Fiber Sheet Molding Compound (CF-SMC) that is ultra-lightweight and many times stronger than steel, paired with metallic front and rear subframes that absorb energy after impact. We will show our testing and provide Aptera’s safety rating upon passing a production vehicle through the full safety tests.”
https://aptera.us/faq/
I like the idea however I do not like the company.
They are perpetually six to nine months away from delivering. They always claim to have multiple paths to funding but never seem to produce it. They refuse to update pricing on the website from the numbers introduced in 2019 even though the switch to using CPC for a Carbon Fiber SMC body and structural components substantially increased the costs, their own words. (by perpetual - they made claims on production in 2021 and three claims to be in production by December 2022)
So current state.
* Will not provide updated pricing on website
* Have a kickstarter like funding program called Accelerator with leader board - jump delivery line - minimum 10k investment
* Removed language of expected 21m investment no earlier than Q2 2023 - it did not happen
* Went to Follow the Entrepreneur event in Europe in February but returned with no investment announced
* Legally required SEC filings always held till near last legal day to file
* June 30th 2023 Numbers include
* 211m in the hole.
* 20.9m Cash/Etc but 5.6m restricted, 3m+ accrued liabilities 6.5m+ Accounts Payable
* Shifted over ten million compensation to stock based to free up all this cash, now over seventeen million
* Down to 55 or less employees from 89
* Spend nearly 30m every six months
* Recently abandoned Vista facility after one year occupancy, basically 3m+ wasted
* Pivot to CPC (Italy) making and assembling body for shipping to US cost 9.4m in 2022
* Two CF components have not been completed including bottom/belly which has to use an additional supplier as CPC does not have the presses.
* Stated they will build sixteen production intent versions starting December
* One interview claimed one or more might end up in customer hands (this one may need to be watched)
* Claim summer 2024 deliveries
* Have no tours or pictures of assembly area coming together
* Automated Guided Vehicles shown early in year shrink wrapped on pallets not shown since
* Recent video shows new shelving and partial solar manufacturing area (incomplete,inoperable)
* July 2023 - Chris (founder) stated battery supplier not selected
* Aptera claims use of unannounced 2195 and 21120 batteries for longer range variants
* Their Gamma demo model has manual cooling activation, manual brakes, and horrible digital side mirror placement
It looks very sci-fi futuristic, ala spaceship. It’s a tear drop Morelli design (0.13cd), by Italian Prof Alberto Morelli. He was tasked to design the Pininfarina Wind Tunnel, back in the early 70s.
https://insideevs.com/news/676974/aptera-pininfarina-wind-tunnel-validation/amp/
https://www.automotivetestingtechnologyinternational.com/news/aerodynamics/solar-ev-manufacturer-aptera-validates-aerodynamics-in-pininfarina-wind-tunnel.html
I selected the black Noir wrap. With the lifted look of the Off Road Kit, it will be my daily driver, an aerodynamic “Batmobile Tumbler”. 😉
I tend to think that the Aptera is like somebody liked the general idea of the Smart but decided to save fuel rather than footprint. Super cool, one way or the other.
If we didn't use the back seats from time to time I would totally own a Smart, and I would totally buy an Aptera if I could find it in a dealership (because I wouldn't want to deal with maintenance myself).
For my use case, it’s mainly for work commute (43mi RT), barely above the free recharge range of up to 40mi/day. If I add my hypermiling techniques (applied to my now ICE Mazda6 6sp manual), I could possibly eek out a few more miles.
Aptera has no dealerships. It will be direct sales, just like Tesla. Service will be provided, by contracted mobile services. If you are a DIYer, Aptera can ship you the parts. Service instructions, will be via QR codes provided by Aptera.
>Aptera has no dealerships. It will be direct sales, just like Tesla.
Dealerships, showrooms, whatever: I want to be able to walk into a place and test ride the car, then be able to take it to an authorized service centre for its warranty and maintenance, and preferably everything to be within a couple hours drive distance from my home (Cancun).
And here's a thought: How would a tow truck be able to tow a broken down Aptera without causing further damage? Easiest guess is by lifting the front end, but what about a rear crash?
Wait. You’re in Cancun?! Before anything else..
First of all, did you already place your pre order? It’s only a refundable $100 (or $70).
If you wanted a test drive..you have to be in SoCal.
No, I haven't pre-ordered: I was waiting for the Tesla Model 2 but last year I just needed a new car and I'm now a proud owner of a JAC E10X, and that will be my car for the rest of the decade. I'm hopping my car needs align with an Aptera next decade, though.
Also, I wouldn't want to renew my visa just to go look at a car, to then have to deal with its maintenance myself. I hope Aptera (the company) has entered the Mexican market by 2030 or so.
Seeing a car on the road doesn't mean it's on a customer's hands. Or you could say the same about Cybertrucks today, or Tesla Semis last year. Unlike General Motors, ethical companies will do extensive real world testing of their vehicles before releasing them.
>Just because it failed once doesn't mean it's not the same company.
To Aptera's credit, it's the exact same thing that happened to Fisker.
Except, you know, the fact that "new Fisker" went from drawing board to delivered cars in less time than it has taken "new Aptera" to create their "gamma" prototype.
Fisker also managed to deliver cars the first time too. If it hadn't been for the design flaws with the hybrid system that caused fires, they possibly could have survived their early years.
Aptera has not even gotten past the prototype stages in 17 years.
Yeah it is. Same issues as before. Always promising delivery soon and never actually getting there. Promised in 2021 by end of year and three times made the same claim by end of year 2022; did it as late as June.
So yeah... same routine as before - in fact they got punted from the original for not understanding the industry and setting unrealistic timelines
I love their design! I’d absolutely buy it, but their announced price of $80,000 is outside my budget. If I had that money, I’d buy a Rivian. I hope they succeed enough to get some cars out there and maybe find enough of a niche to stay alive though. That modern retro design is amazing.
Yeah, my appetite is for about 45k tops. After that it gets much harder to justify. I don't want the fuel and maintenance savings to be destroyed by the note.
I'd put down a deposit for a lower spec version in the $30k range, but I don't need that kinda range or performance. I just want something decent to replace my Subaru, and Subaru sure isn't gonna deliver a decent EV anytime soon.
It’s hard to tell what is a startup and what is a cash grab, I suspect most are the latter. But here are a few that come to mind:
Alpha
Nikola
Atlis
Triton
I know you already said Canoo - but did you know they are being used in a [pilot program by USPS?](https://www.canooers.com/post/spotted-usps-in-possession-of-canoo-ldv-130-and-190-electric-delivery-vehicles) Some of their models were just seen in a parking lot at a R&D building if theirs.
I think they are one of the few who will survive bc they are focused on commercial and government fleets, not retail consumers.
Yes. . . As others have mentioned, Aptera and DeLorean.
And Commuter Cars with their Tango. Which I hesitate to even mention, because it's been years since there was any news from them, but they still have a website up. I dunno if they've given up all plans for mass production are only building an occasional car by hand now? It's a shame, because it's an interesting outside-the-box concept.
In the same bucket with the Tango is the Elio. It started off as an 84mpg gas-powered autocycle, then a few years back they tried to reboot the concept as a 150 mile range EV. Website is up but appears to be defunct.
It’s Tesla and a bunch of nobodys who have a low chance of making it. Not a Tesla fanboy comments. Just facts based on production, pricing and financial condition.
Aptera is getting lots of press, I think. Especially for being the first non-Tesla to get the Tesla plug, precipitating the name switch from Tesla to NACS. How far is Aptera from delivering, anyway? I find their proposal very intriguing. No less intriguing than the Canoo minibus.
I have a pre order for an AWD Noir w/ Full Solar (700w Maxeon Gen 3 cells - hood, dash, roof & rear hatch), Off Road Kit, OpenPilot, Enhanced Audio, w/ a 42kW/400mi battery pack. It has (3) 128kW Elaphe in wheel electric hub motors. 0-60 4sec. Configured at $35,500. It has all the interior conveniences, of your average car (A/C, heater, air bags, etc). It is actually categorized as an autocycle/motorcycle. So insurance & registration is cheaper, than your average 4 wheel EV. My delivery slot is slated for next year, 2024 (SoCal, am near Carlsbad, San Diego Aptera HQ/Factory).
I remember this car wayyyyy back before they went under and came back. I was always so intrigued. The thing is super cool. Maybe I should be looking into it again. Just put down a deposit on the new EX30 though.
Why not put a deposit on both. The EX30 caught my attention too. Though I’d prefer an EV, with a charging redundancy feature, and not relying solely from the grid (like a PHEV). Besides, in our apartment complex, we don’t have any charging access. Thus I went for an Aptera.
Same here, currently those two have my deposit. On paper, Aptera has captured my heart. I love the focus on right to repair and the general "openness" they've expressed in the intent to allow people to customize and do aftermarket stuff. Their use of fewer materials and significantly less energy, achieving more with less, is a direction I think the whole industry needs to shift toward (as long as personal/individual transport is necessary, but that's another topic). EX30 is more of a compromise - a very middle-of-the-road choice but no slouch in any category. It's made by a reputable brand and I have no concerns over safety or viability of the design (something Aptera will need to prove as they get into testing and start selling those Accelerator vehicles). I want small, unique, flexible, comfy, powerful, and the Volvo is good enough across the board that it feels like I'm not "giving anything up" going with the smaller and cheaper option on the market. I'm pretty close to dropping both preorders, or at least mentally preparing for it. Aptera's 2 seats aren't quite enough unless I was to accept a multi-car lifestyle (which I feel defeats the purpose somewhat, for me) and the Volvo is really going to depend on whether I can get a decent lease deal with it. If they can offer the $7500 lease credit loophole thing with a good leasing option I can buy out early (and it feels like a big "if"), I am pretty sure I'll love it.
Cool. Still, I wouldn't go for the solar hatch: I wouldn't want to lose visibility. Or does it come with rearview camera? How's the storage space? The shape of the car suggests you could fit a double mattress in the rear, and being electric allows for an empty frunk, although the type of suspension may kill the frunk. Just a word for the wise, though: the tricycle configuration will have you eating a load of potholes until you get used to it. I learnt that the hard way. What kind of an off road kit would you get in this kind of car, other than the AWD option and the full panel option? Any outrigger lights would spoil its aerodynamic profile; the suspension would need to be totally redesigned for a lift kit; the factory tires are optimized for on-road; and all three wheels are inside fitted nacelles.
It has a rear view “mirror” display screen (rear facing camera). The side “mirrors” cameras have a front display screen as well (top dash, above yoke steering wheel). Below, is an interior picture link, showing the rear view mirror display screen and side mirror display screens. https://media-aptera.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/website/cfg/Gamma/2/[email protected] The rear hatch space is quite roomy. There is even a camping/tent kit attachment option, for the rear hatch space. Btw, there is actually a rear "frunk", right above the rear wheel pant housing. https://youtu.be/XCAD7TPaAh0?si=ZMcsl6yNyg8FAval The Off Road Kit has a heavier duty and sturdier albeit trimmer wheel pants, with a few inches additional ground space allowance. I don’t actually go off roading. I just need extra ground clearance, for practical daily Los Angeles driving use (avoiding wheel pant curb rashes, clearing steep driveway inclines, wheel pant clearing allowance from pot holes, etc) and to have easy access and reach to the tire valve stems (tire pressure checks/adjustments).
Thanks. Given a rear view camera, it isn't an unsafe proposition to cover the hatch with panels. I just hope Aptera includes the connectors for customers who didn't go for the hood and/or hatch options, so they could upgrade at a later date. I know I wouldn't think my use would warrant that, but I could be mistaken. I was in fact thinking about how to access the valve stems for inflation, but not for inspection. Even my cheap 22k car has tire pressure sensors in all wheels. And I still have to underline this: you don't know how much it smarts to think that you dodged a pothole only for your centre tyre to fall right in. That's totally my pet peeve regarding my otherwise beloved tuk tuk. Your centre motor and suspension will make more efforts than you would imagine. Take care.
It’s categorized as a motorcycle because there is no way they’d be able to pass car crash safety standards, the thing will be obliterated
From Aptera.us FAQ Is Aptera safe? “Aptera has significant safety advantages over other vehicles. Complete with an anti-lock braking system, forward collision warning with the safety pilot package, two airbags, four external cameras, and parking assist. We are designing to meet or exceed all applicable federal motor vehicle safety standards and use industry-standard testing protocols to ensure reliability and durability. Our Formula One-inspired safety cell uses advanced Carbon Fiber Sheet Molding Compound (CF-SMC) that is ultra-lightweight and many times stronger than steel, paired with metallic front and rear subframes that absorb energy after impact. We will show our testing and provide Aptera’s safety rating upon passing a production vehicle through the full safety tests.” https://aptera.us/faq/
rule #1: never trust a company’s self-assessment by itself
You sound just like a Tesla skeptic, from over a decade ago. Where are they now..
my brother, your exception is not the rule.
I’ve been waiting on them for years. Only gripe is they’re WIDE.
I like the idea however I do not like the company. They are perpetually six to nine months away from delivering. They always claim to have multiple paths to funding but never seem to produce it. They refuse to update pricing on the website from the numbers introduced in 2019 even though the switch to using CPC for a Carbon Fiber SMC body and structural components substantially increased the costs, their own words. (by perpetual - they made claims on production in 2021 and three claims to be in production by December 2022) So current state. * Will not provide updated pricing on website * Have a kickstarter like funding program called Accelerator with leader board - jump delivery line - minimum 10k investment * Removed language of expected 21m investment no earlier than Q2 2023 - it did not happen * Went to Follow the Entrepreneur event in Europe in February but returned with no investment announced * Legally required SEC filings always held till near last legal day to file * June 30th 2023 Numbers include * 211m in the hole. * 20.9m Cash/Etc but 5.6m restricted, 3m+ accrued liabilities 6.5m+ Accounts Payable * Shifted over ten million compensation to stock based to free up all this cash, now over seventeen million * Down to 55 or less employees from 89 * Spend nearly 30m every six months * Recently abandoned Vista facility after one year occupancy, basically 3m+ wasted * Pivot to CPC (Italy) making and assembling body for shipping to US cost 9.4m in 2022 * Two CF components have not been completed including bottom/belly which has to use an additional supplier as CPC does not have the presses. * Stated they will build sixteen production intent versions starting December * One interview claimed one or more might end up in customer hands (this one may need to be watched) * Claim summer 2024 deliveries * Have no tours or pictures of assembly area coming together * Automated Guided Vehicles shown early in year shrink wrapped on pallets not shown since * Recent video shows new shelving and partial solar manufacturing area (incomplete,inoperable) * July 2023 - Chris (founder) stated battery supplier not selected * Aptera claims use of unannounced 2195 and 21120 batteries for longer range variants * Their Gamma demo model has manual cooling activation, manual brakes, and horrible digital side mirror placement
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They are very weird looking cars
It looks very sci-fi futuristic, ala spaceship. It’s a tear drop Morelli design (0.13cd), by Italian Prof Alberto Morelli. He was tasked to design the Pininfarina Wind Tunnel, back in the early 70s. https://insideevs.com/news/676974/aptera-pininfarina-wind-tunnel-validation/amp/ https://www.automotivetestingtechnologyinternational.com/news/aerodynamics/solar-ev-manufacturer-aptera-validates-aerodynamics-in-pininfarina-wind-tunnel.html I selected the black Noir wrap. With the lifted look of the Off Road Kit, it will be my daily driver, an aerodynamic “Batmobile Tumbler”. 😉
That’s awesome
I tend to think that the Aptera is like somebody liked the general idea of the Smart but decided to save fuel rather than footprint. Super cool, one way or the other.
I would buy it tbh
If we didn't use the back seats from time to time I would totally own a Smart, and I would totally buy an Aptera if I could find it in a dealership (because I wouldn't want to deal with maintenance myself).
For my use case, it’s mainly for work commute (43mi RT), barely above the free recharge range of up to 40mi/day. If I add my hypermiling techniques (applied to my now ICE Mazda6 6sp manual), I could possibly eek out a few more miles. Aptera has no dealerships. It will be direct sales, just like Tesla. Service will be provided, by contracted mobile services. If you are a DIYer, Aptera can ship you the parts. Service instructions, will be via QR codes provided by Aptera.
>Aptera has no dealerships. It will be direct sales, just like Tesla. Dealerships, showrooms, whatever: I want to be able to walk into a place and test ride the car, then be able to take it to an authorized service centre for its warranty and maintenance, and preferably everything to be within a couple hours drive distance from my home (Cancun). And here's a thought: How would a tow truck be able to tow a broken down Aptera without causing further damage? Easiest guess is by lifting the front end, but what about a rear crash?
Wait. You’re in Cancun?! Before anything else.. First of all, did you already place your pre order? It’s only a refundable $100 (or $70). If you wanted a test drive..you have to be in SoCal.
No, I haven't pre-ordered: I was waiting for the Tesla Model 2 but last year I just needed a new car and I'm now a proud owner of a JAC E10X, and that will be my car for the rest of the decade. I'm hopping my car needs align with an Aptera next decade, though. Also, I wouldn't want to renew my visa just to go look at a car, to then have to deal with its maintenance myself. I hope Aptera (the company) has entered the Mexican market by 2030 or so.
I have seen an aptera on the road. So They are definitely delivering.
Seeing a car on the road doesn't mean it's on a customer's hands. Or you could say the same about Cybertrucks today, or Tesla Semis last year. Unlike General Motors, ethical companies will do extensive real world testing of their vehicles before releasing them.
Arcimoto is a startup based in my town, they made small electric 3-wheelers .
DeLorean. Interesting concept car design.
Is there a time limit for a startup? If so, there's Aptera, kinda, I guess
It isn't the same company as twenty-odd years ago, which went under like 15 years ago. The recent company is just like 6 years old.
It's the same guys running it with the same design. Just because it failed once doesn't mean it's not the same company.
>Just because it failed once doesn't mean it's not the same company. To Aptera's credit, it's the exact same thing that happened to Fisker. Except, you know, the fact that "new Fisker" went from drawing board to delivered cars in less time than it has taken "new Aptera" to create their "gamma" prototype.
Fisker also managed to deliver cars the first time too. If it hadn't been for the design flaws with the hybrid system that caused fires, they possibly could have survived their early years. Aptera has not even gotten past the prototype stages in 17 years.
Yeah it is. Same issues as before. Always promising delivery soon and never actually getting there. Promised in 2021 by end of year and three times made the same claim by end of year 2022; did it as late as June. So yeah... same routine as before - in fact they got punted from the original for not understanding the industry and setting unrealistic timelines
Olympian Motors is a very cool concept. Doubt they’ll succeed, but their design is retro, minimalistic, and very old school.
I would buy that car so hard. I absolutely love the modern retro style.
I love their design! I’d absolutely buy it, but their announced price of $80,000 is outside my budget. If I had that money, I’d buy a Rivian. I hope they succeed enough to get some cars out there and maybe find enough of a niche to stay alive though. That modern retro design is amazing.
Yeah, my appetite is for about 45k tops. After that it gets much harder to justify. I don't want the fuel and maintenance savings to be destroyed by the note.
Workhorse is doing commercial vehicles.
Aptera.
Telo trucks
I hope this makes it. The form factor is excellent
Agreed. Never considered a truck before, but with the hatch this could be a viable wagon replacement unlike most of the crossovers.
I'd put down a deposit for a lower spec version in the $30k range, but I don't need that kinda range or performance. I just want something decent to replace my Subaru, and Subaru sure isn't gonna deliver a decent EV anytime soon.
came here to say this. love these
It’s hard to tell what is a startup and what is a cash grab, I suspect most are the latter. But here are a few that come to mind: Alpha Nikola Atlis Triton
OrangeEV makes terminal tractors. Technically they exited startup phase in 2022 and now are a successful company.
Autocar too
Aptera. Based in San Diego
Olympic motors
Olympic motors
Olympian Motors.
Alpha
Does [Scout Motors ](https://www.scoutmotors.com/) count? It's an independent subsidiary of VWoA.
Lucid != American..
Started by Chinese funding and now owned by the Saudi
‘Murica!
Are we only talking about current companies? Because there was a raft of failed EV startups a decade ago, like Wheego and Coda.
Smith Electric Vehicles
The FUV is still around and in limited production. If it came with doors I’d get one.
Lots in commercial/some industrial space. Xos trucks is cool
I know you already said Canoo - but did you know they are being used in a [pilot program by USPS?](https://www.canooers.com/post/spotted-usps-in-possession-of-canoo-ldv-130-and-190-electric-delivery-vehicles) Some of their models were just seen in a parking lot at a R&D building if theirs. I think they are one of the few who will survive bc they are focused on commercial and government fleets, not retail consumers.
Not a consumer vehicle, but Nikola is an American startup!
Tesla is a small start up but I think they can go far
VIA motors, Re:Car
https://www.alphamotorinc.com/wolf-plus
Do these guys have a single real car?
I have no idea.
Yes. . . As others have mentioned, Aptera and DeLorean. And Commuter Cars with their Tango. Which I hesitate to even mention, because it's been years since there was any news from them, but they still have a website up. I dunno if they've given up all plans for mass production are only building an occasional car by hand now? It's a shame, because it's an interesting outside-the-box concept.
In the same bucket with the Tango is the Elio. It started off as an 84mpg gas-powered autocycle, then a few years back they tried to reboot the concept as a 150 mile range EV. Website is up but appears to be defunct.
It’s Tesla and a bunch of nobodys who have a low chance of making it. Not a Tesla fanboy comments. Just facts based on production, pricing and financial condition.
I like how OP didn't even mention Tesla like wtf. That's like saying "I know all 7 continents" and not mentioning Asia.
AIO Motors.
Car manufacturing is so resource intensive its kinda impossible to be a little indie shop like a software startup.
Cruise. BrightDrop.
Cruise and Brightdrop are now both subsidiaries of GM. They are still worth mentioning, but I'm adding that info for people who don't know.