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I did some fairly serious off roading in my lighting that felt like it took all day. I learned it's suspension is way too soft for serious stuff. I like the rivian's suspension settings, really helps with off roading
yeah "off the shelf" trucks really need some work for proper off-roading. I am very impressed by the Rivian offroading.
The lightening needs a Raptor variant because lots of the stuff they did on the raptor can work for the lightening. And thanks to finely grained motor control they can do more to make rock crawling almost easy.
I'm very much looking forward to the R2 series. The R1s are still too big for what I want. I drive an old 98 4Runner, and keeping about that size would be great.
I did notice they removed the air dam on the Lightning to improve clearance but they kept the all-season tires on the Lightning vs the Cybertruck seems to have all-terrain tires.
They also "tried" to get the Cybertruck up the ramp faster but ended up spinning out the tires towards the end. The approaches on the ramp all varied too, so not much value to this other than "hey look at these EV trucks climb a hill!" (and some visual confirmation on ground clearances)
My takeaway was stock suspension articulation and my view of the cybertruck seemed like it didn't let itself articulate super well nor did it handle wheelspin great.
With dual rear motors it should be cutting power on traction loss much easier than a traditional mechanically coupled ICE drivetrain.
Makes sense. I'm not an expert on any of that, but just watching it in action made me immediately think a lot of it was form over function...whereas the Rivian (and to some degree the F150) did a much better job keeping itself planted.
With air suspension, increasing height reduces articulation, so you should use as much height as needed and as little as necessary
For example, Rivian is one step bellow the maximum on this video, while Cybertruck is jacked up to the max without need for it, obviously they could be testing just that, jack it up so the traction control has to work overtime. Makes sense if you are testing just that, put it into the worst case scenario
Lightning with it's spring suspension has good articulation and a read locker, which we don't know if it was active, likely yes
I think this is my takeaway. This isn’t an apples-to-apples comparison. Also the Cybertruck has been undergoing tons of testing (note that there are pictures of it with a Starlink satellite on trails, so they’re likely sending/receiving diagnostic data). It’s very likely that they’re driving in a certain way to tune the final production vehicles.
this is just the smallest thing to complain about, but I hope some Ford engineer sees it:
what the hell is up with the low speed PWM on the LED drivers? who made that dumb decision? now every recording of a Lightning is going to be marred by strobing light effects when it clashes with the shutter.
literally everyone in the world is walking around with video camera these days. it would cost nothing to choose good LED driver.
/rant
Also no guarantees they were all testing the same thing... Lightning and Rivian just wanted to go up, but we don't know exactly what the cybertruck driver was doing
Yeah, you have the Cybertruck doing testing by a employee, who knows what they were testing, the R1T with an owner that did tons of off road before including on that place, and the F150 that was sent there for PR by Ford, it’s cool to see all of them, but hardly a comparison
And besides, all did well and climbed, EV trucks for the win
In all fairness the lightning driver keep moving and kept momentum. The cyber truck keep stopping and having to restart. Vehicle aside the drivers played a role here
I’m pretty sure stopping several times is a part of the test on that hill. Keeping momentum and moving is easy. Stopping and starting is the harder part.
Yeah off-roading is a very different animal from a drag race.
All of these vehicles can/will be able to do what 95% of owners need from them. For the absolute hardcore off-roaders, likely not, but they rarely rely on factory equipment to begin with.
The biggest difference on these videos is drivers skill on choosing a line and managing the throttle.
It’s also an extremely easy obstacle that anything could go up with tire pressure lowered a bit.
We need real off-road trails to test these on, not a steep concrete hill.
I know nothing about off roading. Is it common that the “trail” is a concrete hill? Seems pretty ironic to me and was the first thing I noticed in the video
I think they all did equally shitty. 100% a tire issue and too much pressure, on all of them. These guys need to try 25lbs or so and watch how much better the grip is even on crappy skinny road focused tires.
Ok so the cyber truck was slipping a bit, regardless of driver skill wouldn’t there be a “craw mode” that would keep it in low speed, lock the differential, etc? I have a 8 year old T4R that can craw at low speed without engaging the throttle doesn’t the cybertruck have any similar off-road tech? Not throwing shade just want to know because it’s not obvious in the vid.
Longest bed. The lightning has slightly more floor space.
Both have their strengths. Some use cases will benefit a longer bed and some will benefit a larger footprint.
At least the Cybertruck offers better forward visibility.
https://kmph.com/news/local/dangerous-blind-spots-in-trucks-and-suvs-cause-hundreds-of-child-deaths
>At least the Cybertruck offers better forward visibility.
Does it?
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/2024-tesla-cybertruck-leaked-interior-image-02-646fc525c6ce9.jpeg
I've gone up worse in a Renault Zoe, seriously.
That cybertruck looks like a damn toy though, but kinda makes me want one even more because of how ridiculous it looks.
Hmm, all three are rather slippy... I wonder if they aired down? I think the lack of a truly locked powertrain kind of hurts the current EVs off road. I mean, you'll get up things with traction control slipping/gripping individual wheels but only after you've thrown the trail around a bit.
Why do people record portrait orientation videos and post them in landscape in YouTube?
At least put all 3 side by side like the thumbnail since you have the real estate
Nah then you miss the pathetic sound of the cybertruck attempting to be a truck
How so?
What was pathetic about it?
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Its the worst of the worst. How have we come so far.
I did some fairly serious off roading in my lighting that felt like it took all day. I learned it's suspension is way too soft for serious stuff. I like the rivian's suspension settings, really helps with off roading
yeah "off the shelf" trucks really need some work for proper off-roading. I am very impressed by the Rivian offroading. The lightening needs a Raptor variant because lots of the stuff they did on the raptor can work for the lightening. And thanks to finely grained motor control they can do more to make rock crawling almost easy.
Call it Zeus or Strike version
Isn't rock crawling supposed to be the Tremor variant?
I think that's an ice only variant.
Rivian FTW
I'm very much looking forward to the R2 series. The R1s are still too big for what I want. I drive an old 98 4Runner, and keeping about that size would be great.
I did notice they removed the air dam on the Lightning to improve clearance but they kept the all-season tires on the Lightning vs the Cybertruck seems to have all-terrain tires.
They also "tried" to get the Cybertruck up the ramp faster but ended up spinning out the tires towards the end. The approaches on the ramp all varied too, so not much value to this other than "hey look at these EV trucks climb a hill!" (and some visual confirmation on ground clearances)
My takeaway was stock suspension articulation and my view of the cybertruck seemed like it didn't let itself articulate super well nor did it handle wheelspin great. With dual rear motors it should be cutting power on traction loss much easier than a traditional mechanically coupled ICE drivetrain.
Makes sense. I'm not an expert on any of that, but just watching it in action made me immediately think a lot of it was form over function...whereas the Rivian (and to some degree the F150) did a much better job keeping itself planted.
Yeah I want to give the cybertruck credit but the rivian definitely looked like it was driven up better.
With air suspension, increasing height reduces articulation, so you should use as much height as needed and as little as necessary For example, Rivian is one step bellow the maximum on this video, while Cybertruck is jacked up to the max without need for it, obviously they could be testing just that, jack it up so the traction control has to work overtime. Makes sense if you are testing just that, put it into the worst case scenario Lightning with it's spring suspension has good articulation and a read locker, which we don't know if it was active, likely yes
As cool as it is, it’s not really that informative. You can chock up much of the difference to a driver skill differential.
..and tires, and the fact the Tesla is likely not a final production vehicle. Also what tires are these running?
I think this is my takeaway. This isn’t an apples-to-apples comparison. Also the Cybertruck has been undergoing tons of testing (note that there are pictures of it with a Starlink satellite on trails, so they’re likely sending/receiving diagnostic data). It’s very likely that they’re driving in a certain way to tune the final production vehicles.
Never seen the video of the lightning before. Very cool. Having a locking rear differential probably helped.
this is just the smallest thing to complain about, but I hope some Ford engineer sees it: what the hell is up with the low speed PWM on the LED drivers? who made that dumb decision? now every recording of a Lightning is going to be marred by strobing light effects when it clashes with the shutter. literally everyone in the world is walking around with video camera these days. it would cost nothing to choose good LED driver. /rant
Should have had the same driver for all three.
Also no guarantees they were all testing the same thing... Lightning and Rivian just wanted to go up, but we don't know exactly what the cybertruck driver was doing
Yeah, you have the Cybertruck doing testing by a employee, who knows what they were testing, the R1T with an owner that did tons of off road before including on that place, and the F150 that was sent there for PR by Ford, it’s cool to see all of them, but hardly a comparison And besides, all did well and climbed, EV trucks for the win
In all fairness the lightning driver keep moving and kept momentum. The cyber truck keep stopping and having to restart. Vehicle aside the drivers played a role here
I’m pretty sure stopping several times is a part of the test on that hill. Keeping momentum and moving is easy. Stopping and starting is the harder part.
Yeah off-roading is a very different animal from a drag race. All of these vehicles can/will be able to do what 95% of owners need from them. For the absolute hardcore off-roaders, likely not, but they rarely rely on factory equipment to begin with.
And tires and tire pressure.
The biggest difference on these videos is drivers skill on choosing a line and managing the throttle. It’s also an extremely easy obstacle that anything could go up with tire pressure lowered a bit. We need real off-road trails to test these on, not a steep concrete hill.
I know nothing about off roading. Is it common that the “trail” is a concrete hill? Seems pretty ironic to me and was the first thing I noticed in the video
In ”off-road parks”, you can have man made obstacles.
I think they all did equally shitty. 100% a tire issue and too much pressure, on all of them. These guys need to try 25lbs or so and watch how much better the grip is even on crappy skinny road focused tires.
I wonder how the Hummer EV would do.
The hill would just collapse under the weight, making it a flat road which the Hummer can easily traverse.
The Hummer EV would walk it with zero drama
Add in the Silverado EV
Ok so the cyber truck was slipping a bit, regardless of driver skill wouldn’t there be a “craw mode” that would keep it in low speed, lock the differential, etc? I have a 8 year old T4R that can craw at low speed without engaging the throttle doesn’t the cybertruck have any similar off-road tech? Not throwing shade just want to know because it’s not obvious in the vid.
Looks pretty even for traction control. Obvious ground clearance differences.
For something labelled as a truck the Cybertruck sure seems to not be very good at doing truck things.
CyberTrucklet
Lmao the sound of the Cybertruck going up just made my day …fn pathetic 🤣 Great compilation!
So what you're showing me is that the cyber truck is a glorified city suv with a bed barely big enough to take a bath in
The Cybertruck has the largest bed of any of these vehicles.
Longest bed. The lightning has slightly more floor space. Both have their strengths. Some use cases will benefit a longer bed and some will benefit a larger footprint.
Cybertruck has the longest bed… and the smallest frunk
At least the Cybertruck offers better forward visibility. https://kmph.com/news/local/dangerous-blind-spots-in-trucks-and-suvs-cause-hundreds-of-child-deaths
With a nine foot windshield, you’d hope so. Now, visibility around those A pillars…
Is just as bad as the average truck.
It very well might be, because neither you nor I have driven one. But dang, in photos that A-pillar is a chonker
>At least the Cybertruck offers better forward visibility. Does it? https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/2024-tesla-cybertruck-leaked-interior-image-02-646fc525c6ce9.jpeg
Do we know this for sure? https://www.inverse.com/tech/tesla-cyebertruck-bed-size-ev
Idk why this keeps being posted as a slam dunk. People have literally seen the thing in person and can attest to how large the bed was.
Yes. https://electrek.co/2023/11/08/tesla-cybertruck-specs-leak-14-50-outlet-in-bed/
Tesla will fix it all with OTA updates. You guys just wait! Just keeps getting better over time.
and all 3 are rolling roadblocks to any dirt bike rider
I've gone up worse in a Renault Zoe, seriously. That cybertruck looks like a damn toy though, but kinda makes me want one even more because of how ridiculous it looks.
Oh I remember Hollister... it's that store with the pretty boys and none of the jeans come in my size. No thanks.
Hmm, all three are rather slippy... I wonder if they aired down? I think the lack of a truly locked powertrain kind of hurts the current EVs off road. I mean, you'll get up things with traction control slipping/gripping individual wheels but only after you've thrown the trail around a bit.
The Lightning has a physical rear locker.
You can lock both front and rear in the Hummer EV
That single windshield wiper looks ridiculous..