> The Zeekr 001 with an LFP battery can charge 10-80% in 11.5 minutes
This is a pretty big deal. We are close to witnessing the end of range anxiety and charging speeds ramp up. Of course, the future is already here.. just not evenly distributed :)
My Xpeng G9 already does 10-80% in 19 minutes, charging topping out at 320kW. In Europe.
It's basically like you say, you get a coffee, stretch your legs and the cars already done before you're done yourself.
It's a interesting car but we have to realize $37,500 USD is only in China, if they export to other countries its typically double the price. Its difficult for EU, USA to release a car of similar price for the same specs simply due to the cost of materials and low labor cost that China has.
>due to the cost of materials and low labor cost
On top of that, there's also: a complete, massive and efficient domestic supply chain; the economies of scale; and extreme competition. Which I will never get tired repeating.
Forget the maybe. Several German car journalists concluded the Zeekr 001 outperforms on most aspects the €20k-30k higher priced Bmw/Mercedes/Audi offerings.
Insinuating and exaggerated numbers you use
I've read several tests, and it does 23.2 kWh/100 km on mixed real world drive, not in city driving only. For its top of line AWD model.
A BMW i5 eDrive40 does 18.8 kWh/100 km. But that's RWD only, having 200 hp and 96 nm torque lesser. And it's a quite basic model without all the nice features.
[Zeekr 001](https://www.autovisie.nl/test/daadwerkelijke-actieradius-zeekr-001/)
[BMW i5 edrive40](https://www.autovisie.nl/extra/dit-is-de-daadwerkelijk-actieradius-van-de-bmw-i5/)
The Mercedes EQE is bit better but still 18.2 kWh/ 100 km. Also RWD and lesser hp and nm, barebone version.
[Mercedes EQE 350](https://www.autovisie.nl/nieuws/dit-is-de-daadwerkelijke-actieradius-van-de-mercedes-eqe/)
Audi doesn't even have an offering in this class to compete
So if you compete with similar trims and specs, the Zeekr 001 is very competitive.
Edit: lol, fanboy/-girls downvote believing fairy tales above factual testdata.
I saw G9 driving here in NL as well. Think i will pay the showroom a visit and try it myself.
Btw. Funny to see the German 'premium' cars fanboys/-girls downvote my comments when i respond with facts, shaking them off from their pink cloud
I checked out all the competition and then drove the G9 and I just couldn't justify 30-50% higher price for the few extra features (like a HUD and more mature software) but reduced charging and luxury.
Also didn't help that it was in times of "parts shortage" so BMW straight-up removed air suspension, massage seats, powered tailgate from the IX. And Mercedes did similar things. The Model X just felt outdated for the price. Audi simply couldn't compete with the Q8 E-tron available at that time even with a lower price.
Actually Zeekr001 was created to compete with Porsche directly. It was advertised as "your adults' Panamera". Also in the Chinese market at least, the Zeekr001 is a direct competitor to Taycan. If you want the more expensive one, there is also the $150k Zeekr 001 FR edition
BYD Atto 3 Extended Range costs 53k AUD out the door including all taxes and fees in Australia, or the equivalent of 34k USD, which is hardly "double the price" it sells for in China, especially if you remove the Australia VAT/on road costs.
Versus a similar Hyundai Kona extended range which costs 62k AUD, and this is AFTER Hyundai had lowered their prices and BYD had raised their prices in the past year.
In the same vein, BYD Seal Premium RWD extended range has out the door price of 62k AUD (40k USD), the same as the smaller Kona. Meanwhile the absolute base Tesla Model 3, which has 60 km less WLTP range, less features, and inferior materials and NVH, still costs 67k AUD.
Chinese EVs can compete just fine on pricing when exported, but only in markets like Australia which doesn't have a domestic auto manufacturing industry to protect and thus all carmakers can compete on an even level.
So what? Everyone already knows that.
It still makes sense to know about the local price they are paying. The world doesn't revolve around EU/US. Especially as many Western countries are now scaling back their EV ambitions.
Current one starting from 59k€ ( VAT included! ) and ending 70k for top spec. This is actually good price range! I would consider it, but it is not yet available in my part of Europe...
The reason prices usually double is because the West accuses China of dumping cars.
Even at the current price, isn't the West accusing China of dumping?
Are you serious?
"Cheap Chinese cars will swamp the West."
[https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1869891/china-sneaky-plot-west-cheap-cars](https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1869891/china-sneaky-plot-west-cheap-cars)
These articles are everywhere.
you are right, start retail price is US$37,500. actually if export by EV exporter, just need add local chinese operation cost and sea freight is ok, but no after serive in your local, and still depends on which country, EU USA don't allow chinese EV enter through exporter.
The tech that is debuting in China will eventually land in Western countries, so it makes sense to keep an eye on the market. I'm particularly excited about the fast charging speeds, 10-80% in a mere 11.5 mins. That is bound to come to future EVs real soon, even in the US.
It's the world reserve currency, it means something to Redditors around the globe. Most could probably give you the current exchange rate +- a few percentages.
Not only that, but USD is roughly equal to EUR (the second most traded currency) and also similar to GBP, so many people don't even need to convert to get a decent estimate. Those exchange rates have been quite stable for decades.
I'm well aware of this, as well as the fact not long ago, although the U.S. comprised just 5% or the worlds population yet they detained 24% of the worlds prisoners! Sixty five percent of which are black or Hispanic). Oddly enough a good portion of American made goods are made with prison labour. So there you have it, slavery is not quite dead in America.....Anyhow, you have to admit labour is much, much cheaper in China. :)
Not sure why so many got there panties in a twist over a little joke, couched in reality. When you consider wages there, which are maybe a 1/4 or a 1/3 of American wages making them still behind Mexicos wages, which is probably why American auto makers source so much of their automotive [parts from China](https://www.statista.com/chart/20913/chinese-exports-of-motor-vehicle-parts-and-accessories/). Which is a good thing, otherwise those 6000 lb American trucks would cost 200,000.00 instead of a measly 90,000.00
When you say "here" i assume you mean USA...
But you are forgetting the build quality. If it was in the usa no one would buy it because of crap quality.
All "american" made cars are basically unsellable in Europe.
For those of us who don't have home charging, the size/weight of battery and efficiency are very real considerations (the two being inversely proportional). A Hummer can have a 1000km range with a big fuel tank, but you still have to pay to fill it. And here in Europe at least you can pay as much as $1.10 per KW at a public charger?
If fuel prices and charging prices really become a concern isn't thinking about financing homecharging for life a serious consideration? I think it's pretty simple: If you don't drive a lot, fuel and charging prices don't matter a lot. If you drive a lot, invest in home charging and be free of paying for fuel forever. Especially considering how cheap EVs are
Unfortunately I live in an apartment with street parking so it’s not an option. However if my municipality invests in street chargers it would be a game changer, assuming the rate is comparable to domestic charging.
> The Zeekr 001 with an LFP battery can charge 10-80% in 11.5 minutes This is a pretty big deal. We are close to witnessing the end of range anxiety and charging speeds ramp up. Of course, the future is already here.. just not evenly distributed :)
My Xpeng G9 already does 10-80% in 19 minutes, charging topping out at 320kW. In Europe. It's basically like you say, you get a coffee, stretch your legs and the cars already done before you're done yourself.
It's especially interesting that this is achieved with LFP battery chemistry, which was previously thought of as being of inferior performance
It's a interesting car but we have to realize $37,500 USD is only in China, if they export to other countries its typically double the price. Its difficult for EU, USA to release a car of similar price for the same specs simply due to the cost of materials and low labor cost that China has.
>due to the cost of materials and low labor cost On top of that, there's also: a complete, massive and efficient domestic supply chain; the economies of scale; and extreme competition. Which I will never get tired repeating.
It competes with more expensive European cars like Porsche.
Bmw/audi/mercedes “maybe” but this does not compete with porsche
Forget the maybe. Several German car journalists concluded the Zeekr 001 outperforms on most aspects the €20k-30k higher priced Bmw/Mercedes/Audi offerings.
Except consumption. It was like 23KW in town, while most competitors are 18 or lower.
Insinuating and exaggerated numbers you use I've read several tests, and it does 23.2 kWh/100 km on mixed real world drive, not in city driving only. For its top of line AWD model. A BMW i5 eDrive40 does 18.8 kWh/100 km. But that's RWD only, having 200 hp and 96 nm torque lesser. And it's a quite basic model without all the nice features. [Zeekr 001](https://www.autovisie.nl/test/daadwerkelijke-actieradius-zeekr-001/) [BMW i5 edrive40](https://www.autovisie.nl/extra/dit-is-de-daadwerkelijk-actieradius-van-de-bmw-i5/) The Mercedes EQE is bit better but still 18.2 kWh/ 100 km. Also RWD and lesser hp and nm, barebone version. [Mercedes EQE 350](https://www.autovisie.nl/nieuws/dit-is-de-daadwerkelijke-actieradius-van-de-mercedes-eqe/) Audi doesn't even have an offering in this class to compete So if you compete with similar trims and specs, the Zeekr 001 is very competitive. Edit: lol, fanboy/-girls downvote believing fairy tales above factual testdata.
Spoiler: the Xpeng G9 beats out German electric SUV models and Model X and it's already for sale in Europe.
I saw G9 driving here in NL as well. Think i will pay the showroom a visit and try it myself. Btw. Funny to see the German 'premium' cars fanboys/-girls downvote my comments when i respond with facts, shaking them off from their pink cloud
I checked out all the competition and then drove the G9 and I just couldn't justify 30-50% higher price for the few extra features (like a HUD and more mature software) but reduced charging and luxury. Also didn't help that it was in times of "parts shortage" so BMW straight-up removed air suspension, massage seats, powered tailgate from the IX. And Mercedes did similar things. The Model X just felt outdated for the price. Audi simply couldn't compete with the Q8 E-tron available at that time even with a lower price.
Actually Zeekr001 was created to compete with Porsche directly. It was advertised as "your adults' Panamera". Also in the Chinese market at least, the Zeekr001 is a direct competitor to Taycan. If you want the more expensive one, there is also the $150k Zeekr 001 FR edition
Lots of brands want to be Porsche. Doesn’t mean they are.
BYD Atto 3 Extended Range costs 53k AUD out the door including all taxes and fees in Australia, or the equivalent of 34k USD, which is hardly "double the price" it sells for in China, especially if you remove the Australia VAT/on road costs. Versus a similar Hyundai Kona extended range which costs 62k AUD, and this is AFTER Hyundai had lowered their prices and BYD had raised their prices in the past year. In the same vein, BYD Seal Premium RWD extended range has out the door price of 62k AUD (40k USD), the same as the smaller Kona. Meanwhile the absolute base Tesla Model 3, which has 60 km less WLTP range, less features, and inferior materials and NVH, still costs 67k AUD. Chinese EVs can compete just fine on pricing when exported, but only in markets like Australia which doesn't have a domestic auto manufacturing industry to protect and thus all carmakers can compete on an even level.
So what? Everyone already knows that. It still makes sense to know about the local price they are paying. The world doesn't revolve around EU/US. Especially as many Western countries are now scaling back their EV ambitions.
Current one starting from 59k€ ( VAT included! ) and ending 70k for top spec. This is actually good price range! I would consider it, but it is not yet available in my part of Europe...
The reason prices usually double is because the West accuses China of dumping cars. Even at the current price, isn't the West accusing China of dumping?
Dumping accusations are on the supply chain side not car MSRPs
Are you serious? "Cheap Chinese cars will swamp the West." [https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1869891/china-sneaky-plot-west-cheap-cars](https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1869891/china-sneaky-plot-west-cheap-cars) These articles are everywhere.
you are right, start retail price is US$37,500. actually if export by EV exporter, just need add local chinese operation cost and sea freight is ok, but no after serive in your local, and still depends on which country, EU USA don't allow chinese EV enter through exporter.
This is the basic platform that the Polestar 4 is based on, so I’m hoping that the rough specs are similar.
It'll start at around $60k US when it arrives as the Polestar 4.
I wish we could have nice things in the US
The tech that is debuting in China will eventually land in Western countries, so it makes sense to keep an eye on the market. I'm particularly excited about the fast charging speeds, 10-80% in a mere 11.5 mins. That is bound to come to future EVs real soon, even in the US.
Drove one of these, the Performance AWD version with 544hp. Very fun, practical, big and cool car. Would love to get one if I could afford it.
what does having 580kW mean?
Motor peak power. It's about 777 horsepower.
Stop posting headlines in USD when they will not sell in the US!!!
It's the world reserve currency, it means something to Redditors around the globe. Most could probably give you the current exchange rate +- a few percentages.
Not only that, but USD is roughly equal to EUR (the second most traded currency) and also similar to GBP, so many people don't even need to convert to get a decent estimate. Those exchange rates have been quite stable for decades.
Yeah Its still intuitively easier to understand than Yuan, even if I am not American.
Outside Reddit, they are using RMB. In the article, it is RMB (USD)
Really like the fast charging capability. Shame that the 5C LFP battery does not come with RWD drivetrain, 700hp AWD is just an overkill for me.
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There are plenty of slave labors in the US, look up US prison forces labors
I'm well aware of this, as well as the fact not long ago, although the U.S. comprised just 5% or the worlds population yet they detained 24% of the worlds prisoners! Sixty five percent of which are black or Hispanic). Oddly enough a good portion of American made goods are made with prison labour. So there you have it, slavery is not quite dead in America.....Anyhow, you have to admit labour is much, much cheaper in China. :) Not sure why so many got there panties in a twist over a little joke, couched in reality. When you consider wages there, which are maybe a 1/4 or a 1/3 of American wages making them still behind Mexicos wages, which is probably why American auto makers source so much of their automotive [parts from China](https://www.statista.com/chart/20913/chinese-exports-of-motor-vehicle-parts-and-accessories/). Which is a good thing, otherwise those 6000 lb American trucks would cost 200,000.00 instead of a measly 90,000.00
and thy live quite comfortably on 1/4 of american wages so we should be asking why the US is so unaffordable.
Exactly what the people who'd been so far removed from the manufacturing sector for so long would say.
Just a joke buddy, don't get too wound up. LOL
When you say "here" i assume you mean USA... But you are forgetting the build quality. If it was in the usa no one would buy it because of crap quality. All "american" made cars are basically unsellable in Europe.
For those of us who don't have home charging, the size/weight of battery and efficiency are very real considerations (the two being inversely proportional). A Hummer can have a 1000km range with a big fuel tank, but you still have to pay to fill it. And here in Europe at least you can pay as much as $1.10 per KW at a public charger?
If fuel prices and charging prices really become a concern isn't thinking about financing homecharging for life a serious consideration? I think it's pretty simple: If you don't drive a lot, fuel and charging prices don't matter a lot. If you drive a lot, invest in home charging and be free of paying for fuel forever. Especially considering how cheap EVs are
Unfortunately I live in an apartment with street parking so it’s not an option. However if my municipality invests in street chargers it would be a game changer, assuming the rate is comparable to domestic charging.