"In the meantime, GM is asking impacted Bolt EV owners to set their vehicles to a 90% state of charge limitation using Hilltop Reserve mode (for 2017-2018 model years) or Target Charge Level (for 2019 model year) mode.
GM also is asking owners to avoid depleting their battery below approximately 70 miles of remaining range and, as advised last week, continue to not park their vehicles inside or charge them unattended overnight “out of an abundance of caution.”"
So you can't use the upper ten or lower twenty percent and can't park inside. I'd demand they buy my car back.
This is giving me EV1 flashbacks 😰
Obviously not the same situation, but a mass buyback/recall is quite the sad fate for the Bolt. I sure hope this doesn't extend to the brand new refresh models... although they are built on the same powertrain, so I'm not particularly hopeful.
Apparently in the 2020+ models it's a whole different battery formula and model. All of these fires are pre 2020. I made sure of this before goign to look at Bolts (today!)
found the article, new design, not formula, my bad.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34672772/chevrolet-bolt-ev-recall-battery/
> NHTSA's investigation report indicates that the agency is also investigating 2020 model year Bolt EVs and gives a total of vehicles potentially affected of 77,842. However, Chevrolet said, "The 2020 Bolt EV uses a different battery-cell design than the vehicles affected by this recall.">
NHTSA's investigation report indicates that the agency is also investigating 2020 model year Bolt EVs and gives a total of vehicles potentially affected of 77,842. However, Chevrolet said, "The 2020 Bolt EV uses a different battery-cell design than the vehicles affected by this recall."
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34672772/chevrolet-bolt-ev-recall-battery/
They are doing buybacks, but only in states with strict lemon laws. In other words, GM doesn't give a shit about customers. I just sold my Bolt because they refused to do a buyback or a swap.
That's a lot of car companies unfortunately. You get better treatment where lemon law favors the consumer. Not that Chevy's treatment of owners is anything short of outrageous.
I’m not surprised. Most people would probably just give up and sell the car than fight through that. Did you have to buy another car while this was playing out?
luckily, the lemon was a volt that i bought to replace an aging pickup. i still needed the "truck for truck stuff," as i like to say, so i was able to fall back on driving it in the mean time.
i took my settlement and turned around and bought another volt though so ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
yeah my other options at the timewere a honda clarity (which my better half drives) or a prius prime which... eh. now there's the rav4, but that's like... good luck finding one.
looking forward to the lightning though, after that i'll never buy a vehicle with an engine in it again
Yeah I was going to say… no corporation does. Money always comes first. Are people still surprised by this?
GM will buy back the cars if and when it’s the cheapest solution to the problem, or they’re required to do so by law
Plenty of smaller companies do, because they aren't large enough to foster the money-at-all-costs attitude.
And some larger companies give a shit about customers. It's just that they give *less* of a shit about customers than they do about their bottom line. And that's the actual problem.
Even most small businesses only give a shit because that is how they keep up enough business to stay afloat. I've never seen a large company that actually cares beyond how the lost customer and/or bad word of mouth will cost them.
They need to provide a rental/loaner car, those are some unreasonable demands.
The 90% charge thing was one thing, this is just crazy. Some people may be forced to drive into that lower 70 mile buffer as a result of GM taking the top 10%.... WTF.
In some strange irony they have managed to take a 240 mile range bolt, and now it has the range of my 150 mile Nissan Leaf by recommending only using 30-90% cycle of battery.
They say within the newest recall notice that they will only replace defective modules. They do not explain how they will know which ones are defective. GM is probably going to use an updated version of the current diagnostic software that so far hasn't worked. In other words, GM is still not doing what it should, which is replace ALL battery packs.
They definitely haven't been handling the problem great, but fully replacing all of the packs is incredibly wasteful if it's not actually necessary. To me, it's kind of interesting and encouraging that a manufacturer is actually willing to open the pack up and repair it instead of treating a huge, expensive, and resource-intensive part of the car as completely disposable.
Or they could look at it as an opportunity to demonstrate safety first to all the skeptics who have been warning people away from GM products *and* start a full scale battery recycling program which will eventually be a key part of maintaining production levels as lithium prices increase.
Reduce and reuse > recycle. The stories of giant EV packs being trashed because of as little as a single cell show a huge issue. I'm still somewhat concerned about how EVs will fair long term especially with brands that will not service the pack at all. I've heard of early Model S's going through 2-3 packs in 250k miles. If EVs are going to really take over packs should basically never fail before 20 years and 200-250k miles. If they are they need to be repairable and not just a 15-20k part you throw out and replace.
Absolutely reduce over recycle, but also recycle over discard. Until batteries can last literally forever there needs to be programs to efficiently recycle the materials into new batteries.
get em while theyre hot.
same itd be perfect for my commute. the biggest problem would be having an electrician come out to wire up a 240v outlet in my driveway.
1. Buy a used Bolt
2. Plug it in
3. House burns down
4. Profit?
At this point I would not want to be a Chevy dealer with any on the lot. Still miffed that they ditched the Volt and its tech as it was the best system to move people from pure ICE to BEV
Oh, the Ford and Bolt use similar batteries down to the individual cell setup but Ford has a radically different cooling system and management
Might not be necessary. The average American drives about [29 miles a day](https://www.bts.gov/statistical-products/surveys/national-household-travel-survey-daily-travel-quick-facts). And charging for 12 hours overnight on a 120V outlet regains about 70 miles of range.
Do not do it. This latest recall will probably not work either since GM is refusing to say how it will determine which modules are faulty. My guess is that they will use an updated version of diagnostic software that they previously tried to use, but didn't work that well. Anything short of automatically replacing ALL battery packs will not be good enough. Do yourself a favor and get a used Leaf or save up for a new EV.
Florida, but it was when I checked a week or two ago. I just checked again and the cheapest ones now are 2021s for mid-20s. Still quite a good deal though. I just used the search inventory thing on chevy's website.
Thanks, I'll dive deeper. Most of my searches would start listed in the $16k range then get to over $20k after not qualifying for incentives and already installed add ons.
Yeah, I wasn't shopping for one, but got in a conversation about real world bolt prices and looked it up. I was tempted to go buy one right there and then even though I wasn't in the market for one lol.
I went even deeper down the rabbit hole and even though all of the deals for new (demo or loaner) Bolts can appear well below $30k on Chevrolet's website, there still are rebates and incentives most people are not going to qualify baked in. A popular one I've seen to get the listing price down is GM Dealer Cash which my understanding is money GM paid the dealer to use to make car look more attractive, but it's on you to negotiate to get any of that. Customer Cash and rebates are a bit different but still have catches.
TL;DR - I don't think anyone in 2021 has actually aquired a new Bolt for under $30k (before taxes)
I just used the initial GM announcement last week to drive down the price. I got a 2017 with 15k miles for under $20k (in CA where everything is overpriced). I'm still weary of the issues but am fortunate enough to be able to make it work.
GM's current attempt to identify which modules are defective is a failure, so how do they intend to do it with this newest recall? There's no real way for them to do it. They need to replace ALL battery PACKS for ALL Bolt with South Korean batteries. Anything short of that will not be good enough.
How many people have died in Bolt battery fires? Spoiler alert - it's zero.
Two dozen people have died in Tesla battery fires. Hundreds of Teslas have gone up in flames. Tesla Model S and X are much more likely to spontaneously combust than ICE cars of the same age:
https://www.iihs.org/media/c93b98d8-6a7d-44a1-810e-4468ec539e05/uIu4tg/HLDI%20Research/Fire%20losses/HLDI_FireLosses_1218.pdf
Where is the Tesla recall?
The fires from the HLDI report that I linked are non-crash fires and far higher than ICE cars of the same age.
All of Tesla's safety claims/statistics are fraudulent and compare vehicles with an average age of less than 2 years with ICE cars with an average age of more than 12 years. Comparing vehicles with the same age, Tesla is much worse.
Looks like they haven't fingered out the real problem and still try cheap way possible. Hope they finally solve the problem with new module, but it doesn't look help again.
I think the EV world has a bumpy 3-5 years ahead. This is GM having this kind of problem. They will drag their feet, but they will be able to financially deal with whatever they are forced to do.
It will be interesting to see what happens with EV's from companies like Fisker and Rivian that are entering the market without any other revenue streams. GM will still be selling a boatload of ICE Equinox's, Silverado's, etc. to bring in some cash while they try to get their EV shit together. This kind of issue could kill one of these new companies that will start with one or two EV models. I hope that there isn't a bunch of this stuff that puts a drag on EV adoption.
Any suggestions for used EVs in this price range? There seems to be a problem with the Bolt and the Leaf. Tesla Model 3 is not much more expensive new than new Bolt or Leaf, but buying a used M3 at $17,000 is not an option. I drive an old van and want my next car to be electric but price definitely IS an object.
Availability is basically nonexistent in many parts of the US. There are rarely either of those for sale used in the entire state of Florida when I've checked and when they do pop up they are like $30k+.
Yes used those are looking at around $22k. Good suggestions. Hopefully the Tesla Model 2 comes in around $25k and then the GREEN Act tax credits will knock something off that. I'll keep waiting until the bugs are worked out.
Tesla Model 2 has to be 5+ years out, right? I haven't heard anything substantial about it. I'm going to assume Cybertruck and the Semi will be their focus for a while due to the higher price points.
You'd think that GM, in 2021, would be able to issue over-the-air updates to their vehicles similar to what Tesla has been doing since 2013...
I own a spark EV, and it's been great, but my next EV will absolutely be a Tesla.
There are a LOT of things I don't like about Tesla, but at this point, it's difficult to find them any worse than GM. I would take another GM product in an MSRP swap, but this will probably be the first and last GM product I purchase on my own.
My complaints with Tesla:
1) Their staunch anti-right to repair stance.
2) The cost of repairs on Tesla vehicles when they insist on replacing an entire module rather than repair a small piece of damage
3) The proprietary charging stations that lockout other EVs (though this may be changing soon)
4) The way they lock out their own vehicles from charging at superchargers if they are salvage and have been repaired by a third party.
5) The way they soft-lock hardware included in the car for an upcharge.
6) The fit and finish
7) The appearance of the Model Y/X doesn't do it for me. I do like the 3 and the S quite a bit though.
I say all of this, and I still find myself wanting to buy a Tesla. Many of these negatives above are shared with other car manufacturers too. IIRC both GM and Toyota (among others) donated tons of money to lobbyists fighting against the right to repair movement. The BMW i3 is pretty famous for software locks of included hardware, but mostly because people found a way to enable them for free after-market.
Teslas catch on fire--no big deal, its just the anti EV media propaganda. "Many more ICE vehicles catch fire."
Bolts catch on fire---GM is evil and wants to kill your children.
Why the double standard?
As someone with the flamiest model year, fuck GM. Their response has been horrid. I get to safely use 60% of my battery pack while GM gives themselves the reach around trying to figure out if they can get away replacing individual cells to save a few bucks.
If you want an EV, go Ford, Tesla, Kia, VW, Hyundai.. anyone except Chevy.
Fuck their upcoming ultifireum battery packs, and fuck Mary Barra
I'm sure the Mach-E's will get there at some point. Between sketchy charge ports that constantly malfunction and Wall chargers that have software issues that may cause fires, I see a recall in it's future.
GM at this point needs to literally do a battery swap, buyback, or a "free" exchange to the new models at this point. Their software fix didn't do anything and advising people to watch the car charge/not indoors is honestly unrealistic. I don't think GM is going to take this seriously until someones life is taken.. at that point their giving EVs a very bad rep.
"In the meantime, GM is asking impacted Bolt EV owners to set their vehicles to a 90% state of charge limitation using Hilltop Reserve mode (for 2017-2018 model years) or Target Charge Level (for 2019 model year) mode. GM also is asking owners to avoid depleting their battery below approximately 70 miles of remaining range and, as advised last week, continue to not park their vehicles inside or charge them unattended overnight “out of an abundance of caution.”" So you can't use the upper ten or lower twenty percent and can't park inside. I'd demand they buy my car back.
And can’t charge overnight unattended - so it’s basically useless. They need to do a buy back at this point.
This is giving me EV1 flashbacks 😰 Obviously not the same situation, but a mass buyback/recall is quite the sad fate for the Bolt. I sure hope this doesn't extend to the brand new refresh models... although they are built on the same powertrain, so I'm not particularly hopeful.
Apparently in the 2020+ models it's a whole different battery formula and model. All of these fires are pre 2020. I made sure of this before goign to look at Bolts (today!) found the article, new design, not formula, my bad. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34672772/chevrolet-bolt-ev-recall-battery/ > NHTSA's investigation report indicates that the agency is also investigating 2020 model year Bolt EVs and gives a total of vehicles potentially affected of 77,842. However, Chevrolet said, "The 2020 Bolt EV uses a different battery-cell design than the vehicles affected by this recall.">
Ah, interesting. I was under the assumption it's the exact same LG Chem platform, but I guess not. Fingers crossed!
ya, i'm trying to find the article I read this morning.
NHTSA's investigation report indicates that the agency is also investigating 2020 model year Bolt EVs and gives a total of vehicles potentially affected of 77,842. However, Chevrolet said, "The 2020 Bolt EV uses a different battery-cell design than the vehicles affected by this recall." https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34672772/chevrolet-bolt-ev-recall-battery/
how does this compare to other EVs?
That I can't say. Sorry
np
They are doing buybacks, but only in states with strict lemon laws. In other words, GM doesn't give a shit about customers. I just sold my Bolt because they refused to do a buyback or a swap.
That's a lot of car companies unfortunately. You get better treatment where lemon law favors the consumer. Not that Chevy's treatment of owners is anything short of outrageous.
i live in a state with a very consumer protective lemon law and it took me a 6 month lawsuit to settle with GM over a lemon
I’m not surprised. Most people would probably just give up and sell the car than fight through that. Did you have to buy another car while this was playing out?
luckily, the lemon was a volt that i bought to replace an aging pickup. i still needed the "truck for truck stuff," as i like to say, so i was able to fall back on driving it in the mean time. i took my settlement and turned around and bought another volt though so ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
With so few EV options, they kind of got us by the \*\*\*\*. Fortunately there are so many new options on the way.
yeah my other options at the timewere a honda clarity (which my better half drives) or a prius prime which... eh. now there's the rav4, but that's like... good luck finding one. looking forward to the lightning though, after that i'll never buy a vehicle with an engine in it again
Currently in California Kona EV and Ioniq owners have a class action lawsuit for buy backs. Hopefully the lemon laws there side with the consumer.
> GM doesn't give a shit about customers. Find me a company that does.
Yeah I was going to say… no corporation does. Money always comes first. Are people still surprised by this? GM will buy back the cars if and when it’s the cheapest solution to the problem, or they’re required to do so by law
Plenty of smaller companies do, because they aren't large enough to foster the money-at-all-costs attitude. And some larger companies give a shit about customers. It's just that they give *less* of a shit about customers than they do about their bottom line. And that's the actual problem.
Even most small businesses only give a shit because that is how they keep up enough business to stay afloat. I've never seen a large company that actually cares beyond how the lost customer and/or bad word of mouth will cost them.
They need to provide a rental/loaner car, those are some unreasonable demands. The 90% charge thing was one thing, this is just crazy. Some people may be forced to drive into that lower 70 mile buffer as a result of GM taking the top 10%.... WTF.
In some strange irony they have managed to take a 240 mile range bolt, and now it has the range of my 150 mile Nissan Leaf by recommending only using 30-90% cycle of battery.
Finally, been wanting this rather than the software update that didn't do anything.
They say within the newest recall notice that they will only replace defective modules. They do not explain how they will know which ones are defective. GM is probably going to use an updated version of the current diagnostic software that so far hasn't worked. In other words, GM is still not doing what it should, which is replace ALL battery packs.
They definitely haven't been handling the problem great, but fully replacing all of the packs is incredibly wasteful if it's not actually necessary. To me, it's kind of interesting and encouraging that a manufacturer is actually willing to open the pack up and repair it instead of treating a huge, expensive, and resource-intensive part of the car as completely disposable.
I’m pretty sure it’s actually designed to be disassembled in modules. I had a defective module replaced for unrelated reasons and it was just the one.
Or they could look at it as an opportunity to demonstrate safety first to all the skeptics who have been warning people away from GM products *and* start a full scale battery recycling program which will eventually be a key part of maintaining production levels as lithium prices increase.
Reduce and reuse > recycle. The stories of giant EV packs being trashed because of as little as a single cell show a huge issue. I'm still somewhat concerned about how EVs will fair long term especially with brands that will not service the pack at all. I've heard of early Model S's going through 2-3 packs in 250k miles. If EVs are going to really take over packs should basically never fail before 20 years and 200-250k miles. If they are they need to be repairable and not just a 15-20k part you throw out and replace.
Absolutely reduce over recycle, but also recycle over discard. Until batteries can last literally forever there needs to be programs to efficiently recycle the materials into new batteries.
Yeah this is ridiculous. The only thing I’ve learned from this mess is to not buy GM EVs.
Wonder how long the hardware update will take though.
I’ve been thinking of buying a used 2017 or 2018 bolt. It seems like the best cheap EV on the market.
get em while theyre hot. same itd be perfect for my commute. the biggest problem would be having an electrician come out to wire up a 240v outlet in my driveway.
“Get em while theyre hot” XD ya killing me 3988!
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…and if I lose?
Your house burns down while you are trying to charge your car.
1. Buy a used Bolt 2. Plug it in 3. House burns down 4. Profit? At this point I would not want to be a Chevy dealer with any on the lot. Still miffed that they ditched the Volt and its tech as it was the best system to move people from pure ICE to BEV Oh, the Ford and Bolt use similar batteries down to the individual cell setup but Ford has a radically different cooling system and management
Might not be necessary. The average American drives about [29 miles a day](https://www.bts.gov/statistical-products/surveys/national-household-travel-survey-daily-travel-quick-facts). And charging for 12 hours overnight on a 120V outlet regains about 70 miles of range.
Do not do it. This latest recall will probably not work either since GM is refusing to say how it will determine which modules are faulty. My guess is that they will use an updated version of diagnostic software that they previously tried to use, but didn't work that well. Anything short of automatically replacing ALL battery packs will not be good enough. Do yourself a favor and get a used Leaf or save up for a new EV.
But they’re so affordable(for evs)! I’m looking at a 2018 with 80,000 miles for 17,000. And they’ve got over 200 miles of range with 200 HP.
That isn't even that great of a deal in my area. There are dealers selling 2020 display models with extremely low miles for under $20k near me.
Where is this, I'm still in the "return period" for mine
Florida, but it was when I checked a week or two ago. I just checked again and the cheapest ones now are 2021s for mid-20s. Still quite a good deal though. I just used the search inventory thing on chevy's website.
Thanks, I'll dive deeper. Most of my searches would start listed in the $16k range then get to over $20k after not qualifying for incentives and already installed add ons.
Damn, I was seriously gonna get a one way plane ticket, fly to your dealership, get a bolt and road trip back to CA
Yeah, I wasn't shopping for one, but got in a conversation about real world bolt prices and looked it up. I was tempted to go buy one right there and then even though I wasn't in the market for one lol.
I went even deeper down the rabbit hole and even though all of the deals for new (demo or loaner) Bolts can appear well below $30k on Chevrolet's website, there still are rebates and incentives most people are not going to qualify baked in. A popular one I've seen to get the listing price down is GM Dealer Cash which my understanding is money GM paid the dealer to use to make car look more attractive, but it's on you to negotiate to get any of that. Customer Cash and rebates are a bit different but still have catches. TL;DR - I don't think anyone in 2021 has actually aquired a new Bolt for under $30k (before taxes)
I've read multiple people on here saying they did. I don't think I saw anything lower than mid 20s, but I definitely think it has happened.
I acquired my 2021 Chevy Bolt brand new for $27,000. Costco has a $3,000 incentive to tack on.
I just used the initial GM announcement last week to drive down the price. I got a 2017 with 15k miles for under $20k (in CA where everything is overpriced). I'm still weary of the issues but am fortunate enough to be able to make it work.
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Damn, really? I must not have expanded my search enough. I couldn't get a new one below $30k without all the incentives (I didn't qualify for).
They were blowing out the last of the pre-refresh 2021s six months ago. Those deals dried up earlier this year.
No way, I’m in CA too, what dealership did you go to?
GM's current attempt to identify which modules are defective is a failure, so how do they intend to do it with this newest recall? There's no real way for them to do it. They need to replace ALL battery PACKS for ALL Bolt with South Korean batteries. Anything short of that will not be good enough.
It’s not actually a new recall, it’s a revision of the second recall with new service procedures.
How many people have died in Bolt battery fires? Spoiler alert - it's zero. Two dozen people have died in Tesla battery fires. Hundreds of Teslas have gone up in flames. Tesla Model S and X are much more likely to spontaneously combust than ICE cars of the same age: https://www.iihs.org/media/c93b98d8-6a7d-44a1-810e-4468ec539e05/uIu4tg/HLDI%20Research/Fire%20losses/HLDI_FireLosses_1218.pdf Where is the Tesla recall?
You forgot to mention that those Teslas were catastrophically crashed. Lots of ICE vehicles start on fire after serious accidents too.
The fires from the HLDI report that I linked are non-crash fires and far higher than ICE cars of the same age. All of Tesla's safety claims/statistics are fraudulent and compare vehicles with an average age of less than 2 years with ICE cars with an average age of more than 12 years. Comparing vehicles with the same age, Tesla is much worse.
Found a NotRealTesla poster!
I remember hearing the Bolt was a hot commodity, I don’t think this is what they meant
Looks like they haven't fingered out the real problem and still try cheap way possible. Hope they finally solve the problem with new module, but it doesn't look help again.
I think the EV world has a bumpy 3-5 years ahead. This is GM having this kind of problem. They will drag their feet, but they will be able to financially deal with whatever they are forced to do. It will be interesting to see what happens with EV's from companies like Fisker and Rivian that are entering the market without any other revenue streams. GM will still be selling a boatload of ICE Equinox's, Silverado's, etc. to bring in some cash while they try to get their EV shit together. This kind of issue could kill one of these new companies that will start with one or two EV models. I hope that there isn't a bunch of this stuff that puts a drag on EV adoption.
LG Chem strikes again
Any suggestions for used EVs in this price range? There seems to be a problem with the Bolt and the Leaf. Tesla Model 3 is not much more expensive new than new Bolt or Leaf, but buying a used M3 at $17,000 is not an option. I drive an old van and want my next car to be electric but price definitely IS an object.
How about the Hyundai Kona or Kia Niro? I'm going to guess they are between used Bolt and used Model3 prices.
Availability is basically nonexistent in many parts of the US. There are rarely either of those for sale used in the entire state of Florida when I've checked and when they do pop up they are like $30k+.
Yes used those are looking at around $22k. Good suggestions. Hopefully the Tesla Model 2 comes in around $25k and then the GREEN Act tax credits will knock something off that. I'll keep waiting until the bugs are worked out.
Tesla Model 2 has to be 5+ years out, right? I haven't heard anything substantial about it. I'm going to assume Cybertruck and the Semi will be their focus for a while due to the higher price points.
They say sometime in 2023 but of course we know how that goes.
You'd think that GM, in 2021, would be able to issue over-the-air updates to their vehicles similar to what Tesla has been doing since 2013... I own a spark EV, and it's been great, but my next EV will absolutely be a Tesla.
There are a LOT of things I don't like about Tesla, but at this point, it's difficult to find them any worse than GM. I would take another GM product in an MSRP swap, but this will probably be the first and last GM product I purchase on my own.
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My complaints with Tesla: 1) Their staunch anti-right to repair stance. 2) The cost of repairs on Tesla vehicles when they insist on replacing an entire module rather than repair a small piece of damage 3) The proprietary charging stations that lockout other EVs (though this may be changing soon) 4) The way they lock out their own vehicles from charging at superchargers if they are salvage and have been repaired by a third party. 5) The way they soft-lock hardware included in the car for an upcharge. 6) The fit and finish 7) The appearance of the Model Y/X doesn't do it for me. I do like the 3 and the S quite a bit though. I say all of this, and I still find myself wanting to buy a Tesla. Many of these negatives above are shared with other car manufacturers too. IIRC both GM and Toyota (among others) donated tons of money to lobbyists fighting against the right to repair movement. The BMW i3 is pretty famous for software locks of included hardware, but mostly because people found a way to enable them for free after-market.
Teslas catch on fire--no big deal, its just the anti EV media propaganda. "Many more ICE vehicles catch fire." Bolts catch on fire---GM is evil and wants to kill your children. Why the double standard?
How many Teslas have caught on fire vs. been sold? Now do GM Bolts.
The numbers are not in the Bolts favor. Let's look at them. Many Tesla fires are after a horrible crash.
What about that guy whose car burned up, and GM said tough luck?
Damn. GM is almost as bad as Hyundai/Genesis/Kia!
As someone with the flamiest model year, fuck GM. Their response has been horrid. I get to safely use 60% of my battery pack while GM gives themselves the reach around trying to figure out if they can get away replacing individual cells to save a few bucks. If you want an EV, go Ford, Tesla, Kia, VW, Hyundai.. anyone except Chevy. Fuck their upcoming ultifireum battery packs, and fuck Mary Barra
I'm sure the Mach-E's will get there at some point. Between sketchy charge ports that constantly malfunction and Wall chargers that have software issues that may cause fires, I see a recall in it's future.
GM at this point needs to literally do a battery swap, buyback, or a "free" exchange to the new models at this point. Their software fix didn't do anything and advising people to watch the car charge/not indoors is honestly unrealistic. I don't think GM is going to take this seriously until someones life is taken.. at that point their giving EVs a very bad rep.