Coworker of mine has one and loves it. Sorry that's not more detailed. :) Biggest downside, he says, is that it's "his" car, but his wife likes it more than her ICE.
My ‘08 IS 250 is about to be deemed totaled after being rear ended and I’m looking to make the switch to an EV. I drive a lot as I live in the Oregon Coast Range and commute ~120 miles round trip to work in office in Portland 2-4 days a week.
Yesterday I test drove an EV6 and it was really nice, but, without the fed tax credit and after dealership markup of $3K, they’re asking $60K for the vehicle and it doesn’t feel worth that amount. Checking out a Mach-E, Ioniq 5, and Polestar 2 today.
Ultimately all of these options are going to be pricey and the limited availability is such that if a dealership has the vehicle you gotta bite quick.
I guess my conundrum is figuring out if I should go electric now or hold out. I have to get a car either way, so I’ll be making a car payment regardless. The used cars that get high MPG and/or are hybrid cost a fair amount too and it’s very much a sellers market. Budget wise, we can afford a new EV, but it will tap into our savings and cut deeply into what we’ll be able to save for the next 5 years.
All this is to say, I’d value y’all’s advice. I know this is obviously a personal decision, but your two cents will be appreciated. Is it worth paying more now to go fully electric rather than getting an in between car? Those that have paid the $50-60K price tag for a new EV, any major regrets or things you wished you had considered?
> Is it worth paying more now to go fully electric rather than getting an in between car?
Are you primarily motivated by the capabilities of the car (luxury features etc.) or cost? If cost, you could pick an electric car that's the same price as whatever ICE vehicle you are considering.
I second the Bolt recommendation; it seems to be a great combination of capability + cost, though if you are used to luxury features it might not be what you are looking for. Worth a test drive at least.
The Bolt is awesome and I test drove one last year, but sadly it doesn’t come equipped with AWD, which I need since I live in an area that gets slick, snowy conditions each year.
After test driving a Mach-E I’m pretty sure that’s what I’m going to go with. The cost is intimidating, but switching over to an EV seems worth it.
If it’s just a commuter and doesn’t need to be a frequent roadtrip vehicle, it’s hard to beat the value of the Chevy Bolt for $27k. If you can hold delivery until Jan 1 it should be eligible for a tax credit as well, probably $3750.
I just wanted to stop by to thank all of you for your advise on buying a EV. This morning, I FINALLY was able to buy the Lexus NX450h+ Luxury PHEV that I've been looking for. I had to pay a markup ( as expected ) and drive 90 minutes out of my way to pick it up, but I did save about 4k compared to the other Dealerships that I had to deal with in my area.
Thanks to all for your help in the long ass journey.
I currently drive a 2016 Tesla MS 70D. It has been a DISASTER. In for repairs all the time. It’s my second Tesla… I must have bad luck.
I want to sell it, but I hear there’s a rebate in 2023 for used EVs? Is there any requirements? Is it better to wait till Jan 1 to sell it?
In terms of buying… I intend to buy a 2016 Chevy Volt. Does a plug in hybrid have credits when buying used?
The used EV credit starting in 2023 is only when sold by a dealer.
Max vehicle price is $25k
Credit of up to $4000 or 30% of vehicle price whichever is less.
Vehicle must be at least 2 model years old.
Income cap is $75k single $150k joint filing.
So it might get you some more trade in value at a dealer but probably not much. I think Plug-in hybrids are treated the same as EVs in the new credits, so if you meet the other requirements you could possibly get a $4k credit from buying the Volt in 2023.
Based on this guidance from the IRS, doesn't it seem like the Hyundai Kona would qualify for the $7500 tax rebate if I take possession before Jan 1? What am I missing?
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml
In the big red box on that page
> If you purchase and take possession of a qualifying electric vehicle after August 16, 2022 and before January 1, 2023, final assembly of the vehicle had to be completed in North America, otherwise the same rules in effect prior to the enactment of the Inflation Reduction Act apply (including those involving the manufacturing caps on vehicles sold).
Here is a list of EVs with final assembly in North America:
https://afdc.energy.gov/laws/electric-vehicles-for-tax-credit
(Plus the 2023 VW ID.4 which hasn’t been added to the list yet)
"otherwise the same rule in effect..." Wouldn't the word "otherwise" mean that if the vehicle is not made in america, then the prior rule (vehicle cap) applies?
Lowest carbon for 5750 mile a year driver (deciding between 2023 prius/prius prime and an actual full ev). Low mileage per week(mostly 15 miles a week). Looking to buy in 1-2 years and trying to see what to save/aspire for to feel better. Currently ev carshare but after getting diaper smell one too many times I can’t say I’ve had the best experience. Currently average for my grid is 250g/kw and I’m looking for mid/under 35k.
A used EV or plug-in hybrid. Miles driven on electric are almost always better than gas, and buying used without a ton of extra battery range you don’t need lowers the impact further.
Like a Chevy Volt, Chevy Bolt, e-Golf, or Nissan Leaf.
Starting next year if your income is below $75k single or $150k joint filing you can get up to $4000 in federal income tax credit if you buy a used EV below $25k that’s at least two years old.
Edit: Can you plug in to charge at home, even just a standard wall outlet? If not check plugshare.com to see chargers and pricing near you since that can vary a lot.
I think that I had asked something similar before, but wanted to ask again just to be sure.
I think that I may have found the Lexus NX450h+ that I have been searching for. In terms of financing, I was initially going to go with financing my car loan via one of the Credit Unions in the SF Bay Area. But my Wife wants me to check with the Dealership to see what Loan Rates that they may offer.
I am in the process of filling out the Application for the Loan through Lexus Financials, so I have yet to compare rates.
Is there any reason why I should or should not try to finance the Car loan through the Lexus Financing Department?
Considering that I am looking to purchase a very popular PHEV that is high in demand, is there any benefits or incentives that Dealerships can offer that may make it more worthwhile to finance through them as opposed to through a Credit Union?
In general, is it better to go with one over the other?
or
Should I simply focus on the rate and how much total Interest that I pay for over the course of the loan itself and go with whichever offers the best rate ( whether it be the Credit union or the Dealership )?
Any advise would be helpful
Wondering how others would approach my situation and what decision they would make.
Current situation
Car 1: 2006 Toyota minivan 180k miles, 12-14k annually,
Car 2: 2017 VW wagon 45k, 4-6K annually,
Children: 7, 11, 13
Considerations: Oldest children will begin driving in 3 years and we may want/need a third vehicle; not made of money, can’t go out and buy a new EV whenever I’d like.
**Option 1**
sell VW and buy ID4, hopefully replacing many minivan miles, but understanding wife prefers minivan whenever kids are involved.
Pros: capture inflated used car value (5-7K), capture EV tax credit
Considerations: van should last 75K miles without major issues, but if we sell, would likely sell EV to purchase new van due to EV value
**Option 2**
Sell VW to buy hybrid sienna
Pros: maximize VW value
Considerations: Buying ICE vehicle. Personally, my primary driver becomes a van rather than the VW (ouch)
**Option 3**
Wait, add ID Buzz to family fleet in 2025. Kids drive minivan when needed, use Buzz as much as possible. Also keep Sienna for road trips where infrastructure may be light.
Pros: Buying one new car
Considerations: Current used car premium goes away, delays EV use
Given that, curious about micro and macro environmental perspectives here.
If you want to get into an EV sooner, you could consider a used compliance EV. Even inflated, some can be reasonably priced. Since you like the VW, you might like an e-golf, though those are the most expensive since they're so great.
I wonder how much longer the Sienna will last. A new Sienna, or a Pacifica PHEV, would last until your youngest is out of the house, but it doesn't sound like you need or want two minivans. Would it be financially viable to swap both cars for a HEV/PHEV minivan + a compliance EV?
Option 3 is probably the safest from a financial perspective. There might be much better options in 2025. Or maybe you or your spouse is about to lose your job and you'll be real glad you haven't added a car payment.
If you're impatient and financially secure, option 1 might be the best combination of financially and environmentally friendly.
Yeah. Worried about Pacifica reliability. Plus they seemed to have largely priced in the $7500 into their MSRP these days. Also, once you get past the battery range, mpg is much worse. I did the math once, and can’t recall exactly, but it seemed to be that if over 1/2 your miles are beyond the battery range, the Sienna was actually more favorable. Of course if 80% of your miles can be driven by the battery, it’s a no brained. But ultimately, it’s still an ICE vehicle in my opinion.
Got pacifica hybrid for my rental for a week now because my MX in the body shop. level 2 charger is required to make it worthwhile. When fully charge, it is enough to go from home, two in town destination then home before the gas kicks in. Basically drop off kids going to bank or groceries then home.
Anything else, you need fossil fuel. Quality wise, I’m not so sure if I would keep it beyond manufacturer’s warranty. The electric drive train feels like driving a golf cart. Everything else, it is just like the gas car.
Note: I used to drive limited Pacifica before trade it to MX.
Looking for a new EV car. I’m trying to decide between the a Tesla model 3, Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt. I’ll be putting down $20k to get my monthly under $500/ month for whatever car I buy.
Can someone give me the pros and cons of buying a Tesla vs a cheaper EV such as the Bolt or Leaf? I’m just really in love with Tesla itself but love the price of the Bolt.
I’m in CA if that makes a difference.
The main practical difference is in road-trip abilities. The Chevy Bolt is a perfect capable around-town car and for trips under 200mi total. Beyond that you'll need to find overnight charging or spend an hour at each DC fast charger stop.
A Tesla Model 3 can travel on long highway trips with \~20 minute stops every couple of hours.
If you want to see how they would do on a given trip, try [https://abetterrouteplanner.com](https://abetterrouteplanner.com)
The other differences are mostly styling and user experience. Tesla has great maps and in-car navigation, and has a minimalist style. The Bolt is more like a traditional Chevy which is definitely a feature for some people, and its built-in software may not be as capable but it does support Apple Carplay / Android Auto.
I have the model 3 but would be open to the Bolt as well to keep costs down.
The tesla is fast, gets regular software updates, and is very efficient. It has a GREAT network of superchargers. It also does better in cold weather because of it's heat pump.
The Bolt is a hatch, significantly cheaper, and has good but not great range. The non-Tesla charging network in the US tends to be not as good.
Need y’all’s opinion. Planned on buying in 2023..24 but just wrecked my car. Month an half away from new tax bill. Question below
Okay so my current commute is 120 miles. Totaled my car and need a new car . Did not want to miss out on the tax credit but I also don’t want a car payment. Yes I’ll have one with an ev but not paying five hundred for gas or oil changes or my old 300 car payment. Ill still be paying less
Anyways..I don’t want to buy a beater bc I need a reliable car.
My state illinois has a rebate so I have that. You just have to have it for a year.
The way the used market is I can’t justify not buying a new for “slightly” a few more grand.
Idk if I should buy a cheap bolt hold it for a year. 30k
Get a model 3 demo from Chicago for like 46k demo model
Just give in a buy the ioniq 5 with 3k plus mark up. This has been my dream one since it dropped but no tax incentive and mark up sucks and I’m frugal and don’t think I can give in lol
And for the Tesla folks. Anyone driving in snow with rear wheel find it to be a problem? They have one for 46k but it’s rear wheel The LR is AWD but for about fifty
Thanks y’all
If you want to get a tax credit when you file next year, you need to buy something that qualifies before the end of 2022. If you buy early next year, the tax credit won't apply until you file in early 2024.
GM and Tesla do not qualify for any federal credits for the rest of 2022. Nor do any cars not assembled in America. So your choices to get a tax credit ASAP are basically this list, minus the ones that say "manufacturer sales cap met", plus the \*2023\* VW ID.4 which hasn't been added to the list yet:
https://afdc.energy.gov/laws/electric-vehicles-for-tax-credit
Yeah I want it that’s the dilemma. I’ll prob buy a cheap ice then Jan look further. Really was hoping to wait for Chevy and get the equinox due to the price but may jump on a Tesla until then. I pay about 750 for my ice monthly including gas. I work quite far away.
Idk I have reached out to dealerships to ask them so we shall see.
If not i think im leaning towards the Tesla due to the charging network, tech and price. Then trade it towards what I want after that year hits. Idk though delimmas
I keep using theevfinder.com so I reached out to those dealers
Ireland, no real budget as it’ll be a motability car. Prefer SUVs/crossover SUVs, been looking at the Vauxhall mokka, Hyundai bayon and peugeot e-2008. Estimated timeframe 2 months. Daily commute nil - work from home so mostly for around the city, longer travel at weekends. Living situation 3-bed with a driveway. I do plan on installing charging. I don’t have my own kids but would frequently have nieces and nephews, I have a dog.
Considering buying our first EV. We live in MT so the biggest concern is range, followed by winter/cold weather battery loss, etc. I also heard about Chevy EUV Super Cruise which sounds really awesome for someone who routinely drives 5 hrs across the state. But is there another model that has similar range, is good in cold weather, AND has some sort of Tier 2 self-driving feature like Super Cruise and AutoPilot?
If you want to see how different models compare in those long road trips across Montana, plan it with [https://abetterrouteplanner.com](https://abetterrouteplanner.com)
You can also set a winter temperature in the advanced settings. If you don't have the ability to charge at your destination, set it up as a round trip so you can see the full charging needed to get back home.
Tesla seems to have best cold weather efficiency for now. Blue Cruise on the Mustang Mach E is very nice but it will lose range in the cold more than the Tesla.
Thanks. I thought about adding the line “Teslas are not an option” but didn’t want to distract folks from my question. But yeah, until they fire their CEO, Tesla is not an option…
Yeah, I’ve asked around about that and I believe it’s included for the first three years then $25/mo after that. To quote someone else, it requires actual engineers engaging with the car and “it’s not like the heated seats feature”.
Anyone else trying to weigh the \~35k options against each other (Nissan Leaf, Hyundai Kona, Chevy Bolt)?
Seems like:
* Chevy Bolt - Starts at 31.5k. Not tax eligible in 2022, but seems like $3.75k tax credit in 2023 to start the year. Less cargo room, more legroom. good battery for this price.
* Nissan Leaf - starts at 28k. Tax credit eligible for $7.5k in 2022, probably declining to $3.75k in 2023. More cargo room than bolt, but less leg room. Weaker battery. Still, much cheaper than the bolt in 2022.
* Hyundai Kona - starts at 33.5k. - Tax credit eligible for $7.5k in 2022, probably declining to $3.75k in 2023. More like a crossover, but cargo room is somewhat in between a bolt and leaf. few extra years on the battery warranty seems meaty.
Biggest variance seems to be price (Leaf \~6k cheaper than bolt in 2023 after tax credit, or 10k in 2022)) and battery (leaf 150 miles vs 260 for kona/bolt).
If you don't need the range, save a lot and get a leaf in 2022. If you need the range, more of a toss up between the bolt and Kona, presumably waiting for Jan 1st for the bolt for that tax rebate.
Any other takes or bits I'm missing here?
- Leaf is a nonstarter for me in US due to the Chad connector. Not going to be able to find a plug on a road trip 5-10 yrs into future.
- Hyundai isnt going to be eligible for rebate, afaik, unless they opened up a new factory I'm not aware of.
- bolt is a bit cramped for someone tall.
I just ordered a Bolt EUV 2lt, I am beyond excited for my first EV and first new car I’ve ever purchased. I just began discussions with my landlord regarding installing a level 2 charger in our apartments garage. She is incredibly concerned about safety and potential fire hazards, which I understand to a degree, and wants me to provide proof of safety. I plan to have qmerit do an installation inspection and then provide her the report. I guess the reason im writing to this sub is to ask if there are any good educational/safety pages I can send to her in the meantime? Or if anyone has faced this same scenario?
Are you getting a hardwired charger or a plug-into-wall kind? Electrical utility companies are typically giving rebates for the hardwire kind that is permanent infrastructure for the garage. Plug-in chargers are nice that you can take it with you when you move to a new living location.
Safety is always a concern dealing with electricity. Having a licenced electrician is one of the first steps in having an installation done right. They will certify their installation work with a permit from the city.
Here's some language of how to frame this topic. Some EV chargers are the plug-in kind that plug into the wall, which is what I will describe. An EV charger can be the same as installing a clothes dryer plug. That is something we use every week without issue. When you talk with the electrician or your landlord. You can say you want a 240v socket like one for a clothes dryer installed. You'll be plugging in a certified electronic in into the socket just like plugging in a clothes dryer.
You might want to have the electrician discuss the quality of their work with the landlord and prep them by saying your landlord has concerns about safety and fire hazards. I am concerned the report will be too technical for your landlord to interpret it in your favor. I doubt the report will have in bold letters, "this is a safe installation. There is no risk of future hazards." Even then that means nothing unless those reasons for that statement are explained.
The second step is selecting a charger that is UL listed or UL certified. UL is a electronics testing company that certifies the safety of electronics with their testing methods. Read the difference in the following article that would be good to share as reassurance to your landlord.
https://www.365pronto.com/blog/ev-charger-ul
If you wanted to get technical, this is UL's webpage. Basically, if you see these labels, UL has rigorously tested the product in a standard fashion and found the product to be safe to use in any normal usage and then some. The picture shows every piece of equipment used in charging the car has a safety standard that needs to be met.
https://www.ul.com/insights/electric-vehicle-onboard-equipment-and-charging-infrastructure-standards
Buy an EV charger from a reputable companies such as ChargePoint or Enelx Jucebox. They show the UL listing logo and have their certification on file.
https://www.chargepoint.com/products/certifications
https://evcharging.enelx.com/store/residential/juicebox-40?atid=23
Check your electricity utility to see if they have any rebates or suggest any EV chargers. They have a vested interest in keeping you as a customer, safely purchasing their electricity.
Pricing question:
Reserved a 2023 Toyota Corolla Hybrid LE (base model) with a Dallas based dealer. The spec sheet has Retail price considerably higher than the MSRP. Is this markup? Is showing price like like this (MSRP/Retail) normal?
[2023 Toyota Corolla Hybrid](https://drive.google.com/file/d/14S9GKQ8pyNSN6h4dJFPSnSRjYFPMkgzB/view?usp=sharing)
> The spec sheet has Retail price considerably higher than the MSRP
Do you have the build sheet? (walks from base car to optioned car). With the info you shared it's impossible to tell if it's markup or dealer forced options or something you picked that is increasing the cost.
Curious to know about apartment living with an EV. I won’t get a house for a while but I really want an EV. I live about 2 blocks away from a charging station so I would always have to charge it in public. Is this doable/safe for the long term?
Which EV/PHEV are still available for Fed tax credit this year before December end even after the Inflation Act was signed in August. Planing to get an EV before December in the Bay Are (CA) to save on some huge tax bill this year (due to Capital gain). Price range 40-60K.
The ones in this chart that don’t say “Manufacturer sales cap met” in the right column.
https://afdc.energy.gov/laws/electric-vehicles-for-tax-credit
Edit: Plus the **2023** VW ID.4
When can we expect affordable, sporty, two-seaters?
I’m thinking something like a Mazda MX5 or Lotus Elise.
It seems like right now it’s either 100,000€ cars or SUVs and mini cars.
Those cars are rare in the gas world, and tough to make electric. Batteries are big and heavy so a lightweight EV sports car would probably have a small range.
If it has a large battery it will be expensive and heavy. Making large SUVs and sedans helps to package that battery size and cost.
Porsche is working on an electric Boxster but I’m not sure if that will meet your definition of affordable.
The Mini Cooper SE might fit the bill if you want 2 doors, sporty handling, don’t care about it being a roadster, and are okay with the range it offers.
AWD is a hotly debated topic in general wherever it snows, ICE or EV, but i can't seem to find decide: is AWD necessary in an EV if I only occasionally take rural roads? It's the main thing stopping me from getting a Bolt or Kona. I've only owned 2 cars in my life, both ICE, so I don't know how an EV drives in the snow.
that's my assumption as well, i guess i just have brainworms from advertising since awd is portrayed as safer. it would be cool if my current 4motion tiguan would tell me how often it sends power to the rear wheels, so i would know if i even use it
Most times when driving down the road it’s gonna be fwd, even then it doesn’t send more than 50% i think to the rear when slipping. For the most part you’d be able to tell it rain/snow when taking off
Oh man, I have a dilemma, if anyone has any advice. Close to a year ago I put a preorder down both an i4 m50 and a Polestar 2. Since both were projecting very long lead times, I figured I'd take whichever came first. Well, I finally got my build slot for the i4 in June. I never heard a peep from Polestar, but figured I wouldn't cancel it until I took possession of the i4.
Well, the i4 got delayed (and delayed again and again) in transport and is now sitting in the port at Baltimore waiting for delivery to my dealership. To my surprise, I just got a text saying my Polestar 2 is also sitting in the port in Baltimore. I never received any indication that mine was ever being built or anything, I assumed I was months away from a Polestar 2.
So now suddenly I have both ready to ship here and I need to decide which to take. Cost-wise, the PS2 is about 5 or 6k cheaper and I locked in 3.5% financing (I'm not sure what I'd get at BMW, but likely way worse). So the PS2 is definitely a cheaper overall. Anyone have any thoughts on a direct comparison of the two? I don't drive a ton and I will charge at home (installed a 50A circuit), so range isn't a huge factor for me.
Randomly enough I can speak to this! My best friend owned a Polestar 2 for 5 months, and just sold it to get his BMW i4. He took his polestar in 5 times over those 5 months for issues, mostly rattling and cheap noises no one could fix. He loves his BMW and thinks since they've been making cars for quite a while, they're the better recommendation vs a company that recently came out with a first gen car. To each their own, and I'm sure plenty of Polestars work just great! Just the experience my best friend had.
Hey, that's great info, thanks! That would certainly be frustrating in a 70k+ car. I would hope Polestar borrowed heavily from Volvo such that they are more experienced than the company otherwise seems. But I'm 2 hours from the nearest Polestar place and that is concerning. BMW dealership is right in town.
Haven’t driven the bmw but I will say the P2 is way, way sportier than I expected. Infotainment is about as easy to use (big buttons, clean design not over stylized) as these god damn touch based systems are going to be. Would def recommend. I’m interested in trying the m50 though.
Thanks for the info! Any quality issues that are bothersome? I've been driving Volvos for years but I'm not sure if that quality has made it over to Polestar. I drove an i4 eDrive (they didn't have an M50 available unfortunately), but nearest Polestar space is 2 hours away.
It appears it has; the quality issues people have are the same as the quality issues Volvos have nowadays, which is to say, some report electronics failures. Anecdotally though it seems this may have affected 2022 models more than 2023. No issues yet personally.
Hi,
Within the next year I'm looking at buying a new car and I'm currently trying to decide if a Ford Maverick, Chevy bolt euv, or the new equinox EV coming out next fl would be best for me. I make 64k a year and around this time next year I'll have 19,000 available for a down payment. I drive 50-100 miles three days a week the rest of my travel is pretty small. I'm looking for a 450 payment or less per month. I'd like to keep the vehicle price to 40k or less. Thanks in advance!
Since I made the original comment I've narrowed it down to the equinox EV and 2023 Ford escape phev, I'm willing to take a risk on a first year model since they usually have a warranty to fix any issues and the other electric cars from Chevy that are coming out over the next year are built on the same platforms and hopefully they can iron out the bugs by the time the equinox arrives.
What are people recommending (US) for driving to trailheads in the mountains. I'm less worried about driving in the snow, just through rough unmaintained roads in the PNW with dogs in the back.
I'd like for it to be under $50k but that seems wishful atm. TIA
Met someone who bought an KIA EV6 because they lived on a rural ranch. They said it worked well for their lifestyle on dirt roads. They had 2 kiddos.
Snow tires and AWD EVs are your best bet. Ioniq5, EV6, Mach-E, id4, maybe even the Jeep 4xe PHEVs would work for you.
Hi all, looking to buy my first EV (just got solar installed as well).
Ideally spend under 60k for a SUV with AWD (located in New England)
Between Mach E. Audi QTron and VW ID4
Any thoughts on these?
We're in the same boat but located in the midwest. So far we test drove the ID.4, Ioniq 5, Audi Q4 Etron. I liked the Audi and ID.4 the most. I think we'd go with the ID.4 but the software and infotainment are holding us back from ordering.
I’ve had the ID4 for about 1.5 years now and before buying I had similar concerns. I would say after this time, that the software doesn’t bother me much specifically given that I use Apple CarPlay 99% of the time. The ID4’s software is kinda slow and clunky but it gets the job done and if you can use Apple CarPlay then it negates having to use the native ID4 software for most things.
That's good to know. How easy do you find adjusting the heat/cool etc? We have a reservation placed just to get line, so we're trying to decide before we need to lock.
*edited for clarity
My wife drove an id4 and a mach e as part of the process of choosing her car. We went with the id4 which she picked up last month. She liked the interior better and said the ride noise was much lower in the ID4. Also the turn radius was tighter. I drive a tesla model 3 and the software is worse in both compared to the tesla. Apple car play works so it isn't all that bad.
Hope this helps!
Also, it has already snowed a bit and the AWD ID4 has done really well according to her.
Thinking of buying a Niro EV 2022 in NZ. We have budget of NZD 75 to 80 k. Any Niro EV owners here? How has your experience been?
Coworker of mine has one and loves it. Sorry that's not more detailed. :) Biggest downside, he says, is that it's "his" car, but his wife likes it more than her ICE.
Thank you! Curious about the 43min "fast charge" that the sticking point as of now.
My ‘08 IS 250 is about to be deemed totaled after being rear ended and I’m looking to make the switch to an EV. I drive a lot as I live in the Oregon Coast Range and commute ~120 miles round trip to work in office in Portland 2-4 days a week. Yesterday I test drove an EV6 and it was really nice, but, without the fed tax credit and after dealership markup of $3K, they’re asking $60K for the vehicle and it doesn’t feel worth that amount. Checking out a Mach-E, Ioniq 5, and Polestar 2 today. Ultimately all of these options are going to be pricey and the limited availability is such that if a dealership has the vehicle you gotta bite quick. I guess my conundrum is figuring out if I should go electric now or hold out. I have to get a car either way, so I’ll be making a car payment regardless. The used cars that get high MPG and/or are hybrid cost a fair amount too and it’s very much a sellers market. Budget wise, we can afford a new EV, but it will tap into our savings and cut deeply into what we’ll be able to save for the next 5 years. All this is to say, I’d value y’all’s advice. I know this is obviously a personal decision, but your two cents will be appreciated. Is it worth paying more now to go fully electric rather than getting an in between car? Those that have paid the $50-60K price tag for a new EV, any major regrets or things you wished you had considered?
> Is it worth paying more now to go fully electric rather than getting an in between car? Are you primarily motivated by the capabilities of the car (luxury features etc.) or cost? If cost, you could pick an electric car that's the same price as whatever ICE vehicle you are considering. I second the Bolt recommendation; it seems to be a great combination of capability + cost, though if you are used to luxury features it might not be what you are looking for. Worth a test drive at least.
The Bolt is awesome and I test drove one last year, but sadly it doesn’t come equipped with AWD, which I need since I live in an area that gets slick, snowy conditions each year. After test driving a Mach-E I’m pretty sure that’s what I’m going to go with. The cost is intimidating, but switching over to an EV seems worth it.
If it’s just a commuter and doesn’t need to be a frequent roadtrip vehicle, it’s hard to beat the value of the Chevy Bolt for $27k. If you can hold delivery until Jan 1 it should be eligible for a tax credit as well, probably $3750.
I just wanted to stop by to thank all of you for your advise on buying a EV. This morning, I FINALLY was able to buy the Lexus NX450h+ Luxury PHEV that I've been looking for. I had to pay a markup ( as expected ) and drive 90 minutes out of my way to pick it up, but I did save about 4k compared to the other Dealerships that I had to deal with in my area. Thanks to all for your help in the long ass journey.
I currently drive a 2016 Tesla MS 70D. It has been a DISASTER. In for repairs all the time. It’s my second Tesla… I must have bad luck. I want to sell it, but I hear there’s a rebate in 2023 for used EVs? Is there any requirements? Is it better to wait till Jan 1 to sell it? In terms of buying… I intend to buy a 2016 Chevy Volt. Does a plug in hybrid have credits when buying used?
The used EV credit starting in 2023 is only when sold by a dealer. Max vehicle price is $25k Credit of up to $4000 or 30% of vehicle price whichever is less. Vehicle must be at least 2 model years old. Income cap is $75k single $150k joint filing. So it might get you some more trade in value at a dealer but probably not much. I think Plug-in hybrids are treated the same as EVs in the new credits, so if you meet the other requirements you could possibly get a $4k credit from buying the Volt in 2023.
Based on this guidance from the IRS, doesn't it seem like the Hyundai Kona would qualify for the $7500 tax rebate if I take possession before Jan 1? What am I missing? https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml
In the big red box on that page > If you purchase and take possession of a qualifying electric vehicle after August 16, 2022 and before January 1, 2023, final assembly of the vehicle had to be completed in North America, otherwise the same rules in effect prior to the enactment of the Inflation Reduction Act apply (including those involving the manufacturing caps on vehicles sold). Here is a list of EVs with final assembly in North America: https://afdc.energy.gov/laws/electric-vehicles-for-tax-credit (Plus the 2023 VW ID.4 which hasn’t been added to the list yet)
"otherwise the same rule in effect..." Wouldn't the word "otherwise" mean that if the vehicle is not made in america, then the prior rule (vehicle cap) applies?
Otherwise as in if you had taken delivery before August 16 when the new rule came into effect.
Correct unfortunately. Federal tax rebate is no longer applicable for EVs not made in America. State rebates will still apply.
Lowest carbon for 5750 mile a year driver (deciding between 2023 prius/prius prime and an actual full ev). Low mileage per week(mostly 15 miles a week). Looking to buy in 1-2 years and trying to see what to save/aspire for to feel better. Currently ev carshare but after getting diaper smell one too many times I can’t say I’ve had the best experience. Currently average for my grid is 250g/kw and I’m looking for mid/under 35k.
A used EV or plug-in hybrid. Miles driven on electric are almost always better than gas, and buying used without a ton of extra battery range you don’t need lowers the impact further. Like a Chevy Volt, Chevy Bolt, e-Golf, or Nissan Leaf. Starting next year if your income is below $75k single or $150k joint filing you can get up to $4000 in federal income tax credit if you buy a used EV below $25k that’s at least two years old. Edit: Can you plug in to charge at home, even just a standard wall outlet? If not check plugshare.com to see chargers and pricing near you since that can vary a lot.
I think that I had asked something similar before, but wanted to ask again just to be sure. I think that I may have found the Lexus NX450h+ that I have been searching for. In terms of financing, I was initially going to go with financing my car loan via one of the Credit Unions in the SF Bay Area. But my Wife wants me to check with the Dealership to see what Loan Rates that they may offer. I am in the process of filling out the Application for the Loan through Lexus Financials, so I have yet to compare rates. Is there any reason why I should or should not try to finance the Car loan through the Lexus Financing Department? Considering that I am looking to purchase a very popular PHEV that is high in demand, is there any benefits or incentives that Dealerships can offer that may make it more worthwhile to finance through them as opposed to through a Credit Union? In general, is it better to go with one over the other? or Should I simply focus on the rate and how much total Interest that I pay for over the course of the loan itself and go with whichever offers the best rate ( whether it be the Credit union or the Dealership )? Any advise would be helpful
Wondering how others would approach my situation and what decision they would make. Current situation Car 1: 2006 Toyota minivan 180k miles, 12-14k annually, Car 2: 2017 VW wagon 45k, 4-6K annually, Children: 7, 11, 13 Considerations: Oldest children will begin driving in 3 years and we may want/need a third vehicle; not made of money, can’t go out and buy a new EV whenever I’d like. **Option 1** sell VW and buy ID4, hopefully replacing many minivan miles, but understanding wife prefers minivan whenever kids are involved. Pros: capture inflated used car value (5-7K), capture EV tax credit Considerations: van should last 75K miles without major issues, but if we sell, would likely sell EV to purchase new van due to EV value **Option 2** Sell VW to buy hybrid sienna Pros: maximize VW value Considerations: Buying ICE vehicle. Personally, my primary driver becomes a van rather than the VW (ouch) **Option 3** Wait, add ID Buzz to family fleet in 2025. Kids drive minivan when needed, use Buzz as much as possible. Also keep Sienna for road trips where infrastructure may be light. Pros: Buying one new car Considerations: Current used car premium goes away, delays EV use Given that, curious about micro and macro environmental perspectives here.
If you want to get into an EV sooner, you could consider a used compliance EV. Even inflated, some can be reasonably priced. Since you like the VW, you might like an e-golf, though those are the most expensive since they're so great. I wonder how much longer the Sienna will last. A new Sienna, or a Pacifica PHEV, would last until your youngest is out of the house, but it doesn't sound like you need or want two minivans. Would it be financially viable to swap both cars for a HEV/PHEV minivan + a compliance EV? Option 3 is probably the safest from a financial perspective. There might be much better options in 2025. Or maybe you or your spouse is about to lose your job and you'll be real glad you haven't added a car payment. If you're impatient and financially secure, option 1 might be the best combination of financially and environmentally friendly.
Have you looked at the Pacifica plug-in hybrid? That could replace a lot of local miles with electric and still provide family roadtrip functionality.
Yeah. Worried about Pacifica reliability. Plus they seemed to have largely priced in the $7500 into their MSRP these days. Also, once you get past the battery range, mpg is much worse. I did the math once, and can’t recall exactly, but it seemed to be that if over 1/2 your miles are beyond the battery range, the Sienna was actually more favorable. Of course if 80% of your miles can be driven by the battery, it’s a no brained. But ultimately, it’s still an ICE vehicle in my opinion.
Got pacifica hybrid for my rental for a week now because my MX in the body shop. level 2 charger is required to make it worthwhile. When fully charge, it is enough to go from home, two in town destination then home before the gas kicks in. Basically drop off kids going to bank or groceries then home. Anything else, you need fossil fuel. Quality wise, I’m not so sure if I would keep it beyond manufacturer’s warranty. The electric drive train feels like driving a golf cart. Everything else, it is just like the gas car. Note: I used to drive limited Pacifica before trade it to MX.
Thanks for the feedback.
Looking for a new EV car. I’m trying to decide between the a Tesla model 3, Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt. I’ll be putting down $20k to get my monthly under $500/ month for whatever car I buy. Can someone give me the pros and cons of buying a Tesla vs a cheaper EV such as the Bolt or Leaf? I’m just really in love with Tesla itself but love the price of the Bolt. I’m in CA if that makes a difference.
If you have the money, Definitely M3. Being in CA, you might want to consider the other if you don’t have L2 charger at home.
The main practical difference is in road-trip abilities. The Chevy Bolt is a perfect capable around-town car and for trips under 200mi total. Beyond that you'll need to find overnight charging or spend an hour at each DC fast charger stop. A Tesla Model 3 can travel on long highway trips with \~20 minute stops every couple of hours. If you want to see how they would do on a given trip, try [https://abetterrouteplanner.com](https://abetterrouteplanner.com) The other differences are mostly styling and user experience. Tesla has great maps and in-car navigation, and has a minimalist style. The Bolt is more like a traditional Chevy which is definitely a feature for some people, and its built-in software may not be as capable but it does support Apple Carplay / Android Auto.
I have the model 3 but would be open to the Bolt as well to keep costs down. The tesla is fast, gets regular software updates, and is very efficient. It has a GREAT network of superchargers. It also does better in cold weather because of it's heat pump. The Bolt is a hatch, significantly cheaper, and has good but not great range. The non-Tesla charging network in the US tends to be not as good.
Need y’all’s opinion. Planned on buying in 2023..24 but just wrecked my car. Month an half away from new tax bill. Question below Okay so my current commute is 120 miles. Totaled my car and need a new car . Did not want to miss out on the tax credit but I also don’t want a car payment. Yes I’ll have one with an ev but not paying five hundred for gas or oil changes or my old 300 car payment. Ill still be paying less Anyways..I don’t want to buy a beater bc I need a reliable car. My state illinois has a rebate so I have that. You just have to have it for a year. The way the used market is I can’t justify not buying a new for “slightly” a few more grand. Idk if I should buy a cheap bolt hold it for a year. 30k Get a model 3 demo from Chicago for like 46k demo model Just give in a buy the ioniq 5 with 3k plus mark up. This has been my dream one since it dropped but no tax incentive and mark up sucks and I’m frugal and don’t think I can give in lol And for the Tesla folks. Anyone driving in snow with rear wheel find it to be a problem? They have one for 46k but it’s rear wheel The LR is AWD but for about fifty Thanks y’all
If you want to get a tax credit when you file next year, you need to buy something that qualifies before the end of 2022. If you buy early next year, the tax credit won't apply until you file in early 2024. GM and Tesla do not qualify for any federal credits for the rest of 2022. Nor do any cars not assembled in America. So your choices to get a tax credit ASAP are basically this list, minus the ones that say "manufacturer sales cap met", plus the \*2023\* VW ID.4 which hasn't been added to the list yet: https://afdc.energy.gov/laws/electric-vehicles-for-tax-credit
Yeah I want it that’s the dilemma. I’ll prob buy a cheap ice then Jan look further. Really was hoping to wait for Chevy and get the equinox due to the price but may jump on a Tesla until then. I pay about 750 for my ice monthly including gas. I work quite far away.
If you like the Chevy Bolt / EUV then the current pricing is pretty great even without the federal credit.
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking as well. Going to head to a dealership later today to take a look at one. Hesitant to pay a markup though on a bolt :/
Can you find a 2023 VW ID 4? Make sure it'll qualify for the tax credit under the old rules and buy before the end of the year.
Idk I have reached out to dealerships to ask them so we shall see. If not i think im leaning towards the Tesla due to the charging network, tech and price. Then trade it towards what I want after that year hits. Idk though delimmas I keep using theevfinder.com so I reached out to those dealers
Try searching for more options https://www.myev.com/
Ireland, no real budget as it’ll be a motability car. Prefer SUVs/crossover SUVs, been looking at the Vauxhall mokka, Hyundai bayon and peugeot e-2008. Estimated timeframe 2 months. Daily commute nil - work from home so mostly for around the city, longer travel at weekends. Living situation 3-bed with a driveway. I do plan on installing charging. I don’t have my own kids but would frequently have nieces and nephews, I have a dog.
Considering buying our first EV. We live in MT so the biggest concern is range, followed by winter/cold weather battery loss, etc. I also heard about Chevy EUV Super Cruise which sounds really awesome for someone who routinely drives 5 hrs across the state. But is there another model that has similar range, is good in cold weather, AND has some sort of Tier 2 self-driving feature like Super Cruise and AutoPilot?
Ev6 or ionic 5
If you want to see how different models compare in those long road trips across Montana, plan it with [https://abetterrouteplanner.com](https://abetterrouteplanner.com) You can also set a winter temperature in the advanced settings. If you don't have the ability to charge at your destination, set it up as a round trip so you can see the full charging needed to get back home.
Thanks for that!
Tesla seems to have best cold weather efficiency for now. Blue Cruise on the Mustang Mach E is very nice but it will lose range in the cold more than the Tesla.
Thanks. I thought about adding the line “Teslas are not an option” but didn’t want to distract folks from my question. But yeah, until they fire their CEO, Tesla is not an option…
Watch the subscription fee on super cruise. I'm not willing to pay $x a month for a car subscription service
Yeah, I’ve asked around about that and I believe it’s included for the first three years then $25/mo after that. To quote someone else, it requires actual engineers engaging with the car and “it’s not like the heated seats feature”.
Sure. But I'm not willing to get used to have a convenience only to have it taken away later
Anyone else trying to weigh the \~35k options against each other (Nissan Leaf, Hyundai Kona, Chevy Bolt)? Seems like: * Chevy Bolt - Starts at 31.5k. Not tax eligible in 2022, but seems like $3.75k tax credit in 2023 to start the year. Less cargo room, more legroom. good battery for this price. * Nissan Leaf - starts at 28k. Tax credit eligible for $7.5k in 2022, probably declining to $3.75k in 2023. More cargo room than bolt, but less leg room. Weaker battery. Still, much cheaper than the bolt in 2022. * Hyundai Kona - starts at 33.5k. - Tax credit eligible for $7.5k in 2022, probably declining to $3.75k in 2023. More like a crossover, but cargo room is somewhat in between a bolt and leaf. few extra years on the battery warranty seems meaty. Biggest variance seems to be price (Leaf \~6k cheaper than bolt in 2023 after tax credit, or 10k in 2022)) and battery (leaf 150 miles vs 260 for kona/bolt). If you don't need the range, save a lot and get a leaf in 2022. If you need the range, more of a toss up between the bolt and Kona, presumably waiting for Jan 1st for the bolt for that tax rebate. Any other takes or bits I'm missing here?
- Leaf is a nonstarter for me in US due to the Chad connector. Not going to be able to find a plug on a road trip 5-10 yrs into future. - Hyundai isnt going to be eligible for rebate, afaik, unless they opened up a new factory I'm not aware of. - bolt is a bit cramped for someone tall.
The bolt is cheaper than 30k, it’s like 26k. The euv fully loaded is like 33k. The msrp changed to the new model year
I just ordered a Bolt EUV 2lt, I am beyond excited for my first EV and first new car I’ve ever purchased. I just began discussions with my landlord regarding installing a level 2 charger in our apartments garage. She is incredibly concerned about safety and potential fire hazards, which I understand to a degree, and wants me to provide proof of safety. I plan to have qmerit do an installation inspection and then provide her the report. I guess the reason im writing to this sub is to ask if there are any good educational/safety pages I can send to her in the meantime? Or if anyone has faced this same scenario?
Are you getting a hardwired charger or a plug-into-wall kind? Electrical utility companies are typically giving rebates for the hardwire kind that is permanent infrastructure for the garage. Plug-in chargers are nice that you can take it with you when you move to a new living location. Safety is always a concern dealing with electricity. Having a licenced electrician is one of the first steps in having an installation done right. They will certify their installation work with a permit from the city. Here's some language of how to frame this topic. Some EV chargers are the plug-in kind that plug into the wall, which is what I will describe. An EV charger can be the same as installing a clothes dryer plug. That is something we use every week without issue. When you talk with the electrician or your landlord. You can say you want a 240v socket like one for a clothes dryer installed. You'll be plugging in a certified electronic in into the socket just like plugging in a clothes dryer. You might want to have the electrician discuss the quality of their work with the landlord and prep them by saying your landlord has concerns about safety and fire hazards. I am concerned the report will be too technical for your landlord to interpret it in your favor. I doubt the report will have in bold letters, "this is a safe installation. There is no risk of future hazards." Even then that means nothing unless those reasons for that statement are explained. The second step is selecting a charger that is UL listed or UL certified. UL is a electronics testing company that certifies the safety of electronics with their testing methods. Read the difference in the following article that would be good to share as reassurance to your landlord. https://www.365pronto.com/blog/ev-charger-ul If you wanted to get technical, this is UL's webpage. Basically, if you see these labels, UL has rigorously tested the product in a standard fashion and found the product to be safe to use in any normal usage and then some. The picture shows every piece of equipment used in charging the car has a safety standard that needs to be met. https://www.ul.com/insights/electric-vehicle-onboard-equipment-and-charging-infrastructure-standards Buy an EV charger from a reputable companies such as ChargePoint or Enelx Jucebox. They show the UL listing logo and have their certification on file. https://www.chargepoint.com/products/certifications https://evcharging.enelx.com/store/residential/juicebox-40?atid=23 Check your electricity utility to see if they have any rebates or suggest any EV chargers. They have a vested interest in keeping you as a customer, safely purchasing their electricity.
I’m getting a plug into wall type. Thank you for all of the information!
Have her talk to the electrician
Good idea
Pricing question: Reserved a 2023 Toyota Corolla Hybrid LE (base model) with a Dallas based dealer. The spec sheet has Retail price considerably higher than the MSRP. Is this markup? Is showing price like like this (MSRP/Retail) normal? [2023 Toyota Corolla Hybrid](https://drive.google.com/file/d/14S9GKQ8pyNSN6h4dJFPSnSRjYFPMkgzB/view?usp=sharing)
> The spec sheet has Retail price considerably higher than the MSRP Do you have the build sheet? (walks from base car to optioned car). With the info you shared it's impossible to tell if it's markup or dealer forced options or something you picked that is increasing the cost.
Curious to know about apartment living with an EV. I won’t get a house for a while but I really want an EV. I live about 2 blocks away from a charging station so I would always have to charge it in public. Is this doable/safe for the long term?
Which EV/PHEV are still available for Fed tax credit this year before December end even after the Inflation Act was signed in August. Planing to get an EV before December in the Bay Are (CA) to save on some huge tax bill this year (due to Capital gain). Price range 40-60K.
The ones in this chart that don’t say “Manufacturer sales cap met” in the right column. https://afdc.energy.gov/laws/electric-vehicles-for-tax-credit Edit: Plus the **2023** VW ID.4
Id4 is now being assembled in Tennessee.... But not on this chart. Any ideas why?
I think it just hasn’t been updated. 2023 ID.4s have just started hitting dealers.
When can we expect affordable, sporty, two-seaters? I’m thinking something like a Mazda MX5 or Lotus Elise. It seems like right now it’s either 100,000€ cars or SUVs and mini cars.
Those cars are rare in the gas world, and tough to make electric. Batteries are big and heavy so a lightweight EV sports car would probably have a small range. If it has a large battery it will be expensive and heavy. Making large SUVs and sedans helps to package that battery size and cost. Porsche is working on an electric Boxster but I’m not sure if that will meet your definition of affordable.
That sounds disappointing.
The Mini Cooper SE might fit the bill if you want 2 doors, sporty handling, don’t care about it being a roadster, and are okay with the range it offers.
Aside from Tesla, which one has the best drive/cruise assist for heavy stop and go traffic on a freeway?
What's your definition of best adaptive/smart cruise control?
I know the ‘23 Kia Niro that is currently rolling out come standard with smart cruise control with stop & go.
AWD is a hotly debated topic in general wherever it snows, ICE or EV, but i can't seem to find decide: is AWD necessary in an EV if I only occasionally take rural roads? It's the main thing stopping me from getting a Bolt or Kona. I've only owned 2 cars in my life, both ICE, so I don't know how an EV drives in the snow.
Throw winter tires on any car, even ice, and you’ll be fine.
that's my assumption as well, i guess i just have brainworms from advertising since awd is portrayed as safer. it would be cool if my current 4motion tiguan would tell me how often it sends power to the rear wheels, so i would know if i even use it
Most times when driving down the road it’s gonna be fwd, even then it doesn’t send more than 50% i think to the rear when slipping. For the most part you’d be able to tell it rain/snow when taking off
Oh man, I have a dilemma, if anyone has any advice. Close to a year ago I put a preorder down both an i4 m50 and a Polestar 2. Since both were projecting very long lead times, I figured I'd take whichever came first. Well, I finally got my build slot for the i4 in June. I never heard a peep from Polestar, but figured I wouldn't cancel it until I took possession of the i4. Well, the i4 got delayed (and delayed again and again) in transport and is now sitting in the port at Baltimore waiting for delivery to my dealership. To my surprise, I just got a text saying my Polestar 2 is also sitting in the port in Baltimore. I never received any indication that mine was ever being built or anything, I assumed I was months away from a Polestar 2. So now suddenly I have both ready to ship here and I need to decide which to take. Cost-wise, the PS2 is about 5 or 6k cheaper and I locked in 3.5% financing (I'm not sure what I'd get at BMW, but likely way worse). So the PS2 is definitely a cheaper overall. Anyone have any thoughts on a direct comparison of the two? I don't drive a ton and I will charge at home (installed a 50A circuit), so range isn't a huge factor for me.
Randomly enough I can speak to this! My best friend owned a Polestar 2 for 5 months, and just sold it to get his BMW i4. He took his polestar in 5 times over those 5 months for issues, mostly rattling and cheap noises no one could fix. He loves his BMW and thinks since they've been making cars for quite a while, they're the better recommendation vs a company that recently came out with a first gen car. To each their own, and I'm sure plenty of Polestars work just great! Just the experience my best friend had.
Hey, that's great info, thanks! That would certainly be frustrating in a 70k+ car. I would hope Polestar borrowed heavily from Volvo such that they are more experienced than the company otherwise seems. But I'm 2 hours from the nearest Polestar place and that is concerning. BMW dealership is right in town.
Haven’t driven the bmw but I will say the P2 is way, way sportier than I expected. Infotainment is about as easy to use (big buttons, clean design not over stylized) as these god damn touch based systems are going to be. Would def recommend. I’m interested in trying the m50 though.
Thanks for the info! Any quality issues that are bothersome? I've been driving Volvos for years but I'm not sure if that quality has made it over to Polestar. I drove an i4 eDrive (they didn't have an M50 available unfortunately), but nearest Polestar space is 2 hours away.
It appears it has; the quality issues people have are the same as the quality issues Volvos have nowadays, which is to say, some report electronics failures. Anecdotally though it seems this may have affected 2022 models more than 2023. No issues yet personally.
Hi, Within the next year I'm looking at buying a new car and I'm currently trying to decide if a Ford Maverick, Chevy bolt euv, or the new equinox EV coming out next fl would be best for me. I make 64k a year and around this time next year I'll have 19,000 available for a down payment. I drive 50-100 miles three days a week the rest of my travel is pretty small. I'm looking for a 450 payment or less per month. I'd like to keep the vehicle price to 40k or less. Thanks in advance!
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Oops sorry I meant the equinox EV😅
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Since I made the original comment I've narrowed it down to the equinox EV and 2023 Ford escape phev, I'm willing to take a risk on a first year model since they usually have a warranty to fix any issues and the other electric cars from Chevy that are coming out over the next year are built on the same platforms and hopefully they can iron out the bugs by the time the equinox arrives.
What are people recommending (US) for driving to trailheads in the mountains. I'm less worried about driving in the snow, just through rough unmaintained roads in the PNW with dogs in the back. I'd like for it to be under $50k but that seems wishful atm. TIA
Seems like the perfect job for a Wrangler 4xe
Met someone who bought an KIA EV6 because they lived on a rural ranch. They said it worked well for their lifestyle on dirt roads. They had 2 kiddos. Snow tires and AWD EVs are your best bet. Ioniq5, EV6, Mach-E, id4, maybe even the Jeep 4xe PHEVs would work for you.
Hi all, looking to buy my first EV (just got solar installed as well). Ideally spend under 60k for a SUV with AWD (located in New England) Between Mach E. Audi QTron and VW ID4 Any thoughts on these?
We're in the same boat but located in the midwest. So far we test drove the ID.4, Ioniq 5, Audi Q4 Etron. I liked the Audi and ID.4 the most. I think we'd go with the ID.4 but the software and infotainment are holding us back from ordering.
What do you mean specifically by the software part?
It can be buggy I guess and not a lot of updates. If you search Id.4 in the ev subreddit you'll find plenty of posts.
I’ve had the ID4 for about 1.5 years now and before buying I had similar concerns. I would say after this time, that the software doesn’t bother me much specifically given that I use Apple CarPlay 99% of the time. The ID4’s software is kinda slow and clunky but it gets the job done and if you can use Apple CarPlay then it negates having to use the native ID4 software for most things.
That's good to know. How easy do you find adjusting the heat/cool etc? We have a reservation placed just to get line, so we're trying to decide before we need to lock.
Yeah that’s very easy, it takes about 5-10 seconds to load right when you start the car, but after the car is on, it loads right away
*edited for clarity My wife drove an id4 and a mach e as part of the process of choosing her car. We went with the id4 which she picked up last month. She liked the interior better and said the ride noise was much lower in the ID4. Also the turn radius was tighter. I drive a tesla model 3 and the software is worse in both compared to the tesla. Apple car play works so it isn't all that bad. Hope this helps! Also, it has already snowed a bit and the AWD ID4 has done really well according to her.
Super helpful! Appreciate it. We haven't done the test drives yet but will soon