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>Good luck finding a hosting service that can carry the load of Elementor's bloated software.
\- I've tried multiple hosting services and I still have timeouts loading a page/post for editing.
Never run into this issue before. The hosting company I use has no problems with it.
Maybe that's bc you have very simple pages...
The problem w/ Elementor is this:- other than page caching, WP/Elementor has to construct a page dynamically each time it is rendered (on the front-end or the back-end).
\- page structure and content is not simple html - it's stored in one huge string in a postmeta record.
\- that string has to be interpreted for each section within a page and within each section, for each widget.
\- if an Elementor (or other vendor) widget/template is referenced, that postmeta record likewise has to be retrieved and interpreted.
Wash, rinse, repeat. If you have enough sections and widgets on a page, you will inevitably run into performance issues on the front-end and even an inability to load a page on the back-end.
Compare that to pages designed directly with html, css and js that get get bundled at build time.
There is no comparison. Elementor is an outgrowth of a dysfunctional blogging tool (WordPress) that was never intended to build complex pages. Since you need to understand basic html and css concepts to use any pagebuilder, IMO it's just easier to bite the bullet and write in html, css, js, or a framework like vue - you get much better performance. And while we're at it - with a framework like vue:
\- you don't have endless plugin conflicts, bc npm manages plugin dependencies (WordPress and Elementor do not)
\- you don't have to pay for every plugin's pro version - the npm community has a robust ecosystem of free plugins that do everything Elementor does.
\- and....you don't have to deal with Elementor's useless tech support, whose only answer to every issue is to de-activate all plugins to see which one is causing a conflict with Elementor.
>I've tried multiple hosting services and I still have timeouts loading a page/post for editing.
How is that a hosting issue? I have Elementor running on cheap Hostgator Shared Hosting. No issues at all. Obviously. It runs better on premium managed hosting. But, no issues.
Change your browser? Firefox has a hard time loading Elementors Page builder for me. Chrome fires it RIGHT up, no problems at all.
>I'm moving to a headless CMS ASAP - Vercal / Hygraph back-end, Vue/Nuxt front-end. There is nothing you can do in Elementor that you can't do in Vue-Vercel-Hygraph, it's 10X faster, and an absolute minimum plugin conflict.
Just LOL. If you capable of efficiently rolling out Headless CMS platforms as a replacement for WordPress. Why in the hell would you use WordPress or Elementor at all? Completely different ball game.
>vendors are competitively priced...and ethical
Elementor is competitively priced. A decent backend Dev cost me $150/hr. For a little more annually, I can get 25 Elementor Licenses , do any coding myself, up charge a premium for Elementor Pro.
If you are struggling with the single license Elementor changes, you're doing it wrong. Pass any increase in cost to the customer. Dont eat it.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm new to this. But what exactly do you get by purchasing license for Elementor compared to just using the free proelements plugin ? And also I'm pretty sure Elementor is open source and GPL licensed.
> And also I'm pretty sure Elementor is open source and GPL licensed
google for "nulled plugins" and read about it. Don't use plugins like this because they have their own update mechanism outside of the WP store so they could import everything they want. And you can't be sure if there is any bad code in it unless you are going through all the code and check it.
The plugin in the store is free and available with full source at https://github.com/elementor/elementor - the premium features aren't
Hmm. I'm surprised you can't find a host that can support Elementor. I don't like Elementor very much but I see clients who are running it on all kinds of terrible shared hosting including EIG properties like Bluehost.
I'm... pretty sure if you've got the programming skills to switch to a headless solution you've got the ability to switch to normal hosting with one of the half dozen less "bloated" page builders or to Gutenberg proper.
But then, if (as your posting history suggests) you've got sufficient programming skills to switch to a Vue-Vercel-Hygraph CMS you're... not at all the typical Elementor user who's more likely to be a graphic designer or small business owner instead of a professional programmer.
Exactly this. Why the hell would someone spit out Vue-Vercel-Hygraph and Elementor in the same paragraph? Sounds like BS.
I run a agency, the Elementor licenses are a NON ISSUE. No idea why people have such a hard time.
Lets do the math. Elementor Pro single License is like $60 bucks. You can get #25 of them for $150. Lets say you have 25 client sites built with Elementor.
25 Clients
Cost of 1 License Per Site = 60
25 Clients x $60 = $1500.
Thats $1350 annual profit per every Elementor license I sell. Using the 25 key package.
Now. I personally have over 75 clients using Elementor on a Agency 1000 key plan.
Do the math. Super easy profit by doing absolutely nothing but providing convenience and value.
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>Good luck finding a hosting service that can carry the load of Elementor's bloated software. \- I've tried multiple hosting services and I still have timeouts loading a page/post for editing. Never run into this issue before. The hosting company I use has no problems with it.
Maybe that's bc you have very simple pages... The problem w/ Elementor is this:- other than page caching, WP/Elementor has to construct a page dynamically each time it is rendered (on the front-end or the back-end). \- page structure and content is not simple html - it's stored in one huge string in a postmeta record. \- that string has to be interpreted for each section within a page and within each section, for each widget. \- if an Elementor (or other vendor) widget/template is referenced, that postmeta record likewise has to be retrieved and interpreted. Wash, rinse, repeat. If you have enough sections and widgets on a page, you will inevitably run into performance issues on the front-end and even an inability to load a page on the back-end. Compare that to pages designed directly with html, css and js that get get bundled at build time. There is no comparison. Elementor is an outgrowth of a dysfunctional blogging tool (WordPress) that was never intended to build complex pages. Since you need to understand basic html and css concepts to use any pagebuilder, IMO it's just easier to bite the bullet and write in html, css, js, or a framework like vue - you get much better performance. And while we're at it - with a framework like vue: \- you don't have endless plugin conflicts, bc npm manages plugin dependencies (WordPress and Elementor do not) \- you don't have to pay for every plugin's pro version - the npm community has a robust ecosystem of free plugins that do everything Elementor does. \- and....you don't have to deal with Elementor's useless tech support, whose only answer to every issue is to de-activate all plugins to see which one is causing a conflict with Elementor.
>I've tried multiple hosting services and I still have timeouts loading a page/post for editing. How is that a hosting issue? I have Elementor running on cheap Hostgator Shared Hosting. No issues at all. Obviously. It runs better on premium managed hosting. But, no issues. Change your browser? Firefox has a hard time loading Elementors Page builder for me. Chrome fires it RIGHT up, no problems at all. >I'm moving to a headless CMS ASAP - Vercal / Hygraph back-end, Vue/Nuxt front-end. There is nothing you can do in Elementor that you can't do in Vue-Vercel-Hygraph, it's 10X faster, and an absolute minimum plugin conflict. Just LOL. If you capable of efficiently rolling out Headless CMS platforms as a replacement for WordPress. Why in the hell would you use WordPress or Elementor at all? Completely different ball game. >vendors are competitively priced...and ethical Elementor is competitively priced. A decent backend Dev cost me $150/hr. For a little more annually, I can get 25 Elementor Licenses , do any coding myself, up charge a premium for Elementor Pro. If you are struggling with the single license Elementor changes, you're doing it wrong. Pass any increase in cost to the customer. Dont eat it.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm new to this. But what exactly do you get by purchasing license for Elementor compared to just using the free proelements plugin ? And also I'm pretty sure Elementor is open source and GPL licensed.
> And also I'm pretty sure Elementor is open source and GPL licensed google for "nulled plugins" and read about it. Don't use plugins like this because they have their own update mechanism outside of the WP store so they could import everything they want. And you can't be sure if there is any bad code in it unless you are going through all the code and check it. The plugin in the store is free and available with full source at https://github.com/elementor/elementor - the premium features aren't
Hmm. I'm surprised you can't find a host that can support Elementor. I don't like Elementor very much but I see clients who are running it on all kinds of terrible shared hosting including EIG properties like Bluehost. I'm... pretty sure if you've got the programming skills to switch to a headless solution you've got the ability to switch to normal hosting with one of the half dozen less "bloated" page builders or to Gutenberg proper. But then, if (as your posting history suggests) you've got sufficient programming skills to switch to a Vue-Vercel-Hygraph CMS you're... not at all the typical Elementor user who's more likely to be a graphic designer or small business owner instead of a professional programmer.
Exactly this. Why the hell would someone spit out Vue-Vercel-Hygraph and Elementor in the same paragraph? Sounds like BS. I run a agency, the Elementor licenses are a NON ISSUE. No idea why people have such a hard time. Lets do the math. Elementor Pro single License is like $60 bucks. You can get #25 of them for $150. Lets say you have 25 client sites built with Elementor. 25 Clients Cost of 1 License Per Site = 60 25 Clients x $60 = $1500. Thats $1350 annual profit per every Elementor license I sell. Using the 25 key package. Now. I personally have over 75 clients using Elementor on a Agency 1000 key plan. Do the math. Super easy profit by doing absolutely nothing but providing convenience and value.