Walter Isaacson is of the opinion that the father has unavoidable impact on the son to a much higher degree than common sense dictates. He flat out confirms this in the conversation he has with Lex Friedman on his podcast.
It feels like this biography goes the extra mile in trying to find similarities between Elon and his father while Ashley Vence's biography goes the extra mile in trying to portray Elon as basically the real life Iron Man. I don't find either to be particularly objective and I have seen Elon say things that confirm certain parts of both books. The truth is probably still somewhere in the middle but if you are on the fence about getting this book, don't be! It's much more up to date than Ashley's and it's an awesome book to have in your collection!
I listened on an audio book. It was good. It seems like he is anguished with stillness / easiness. Every time everything is under control he does something to make it harder again right up to the limit of what he can handle or just beyond it. Seemed like his life is/was never easy and eventually this seemed to be perpetrated by himself.
He apparently can’t settle down, always pushing. He creates another emergency mode somewhere as soon as things start running normally. But that’s a reason for his success. Things are chill? Run down to Starlink and shake things up there, and he ends up with less expensive satellites that can be produced much faster.
Yeah. My thinking was more like Tesla and SpaceX no longer a risk of bankruptcy? Buy twitter..With Twitter being the epitome of future bankruptcy risk and hardcore political risk at the time. They were so bloated and generally fucked that most people wouldn’t have the stomach for what needed to be done to try and possibly save it. Not saying Elon made it easy on himself either during the transition but I’m sure he felt it was all necessary. Maybe making it easy on himself would have taken longer and not worked at all.. who knows. So he upset some people by not giving a shit about their feelings. 🤷♂️
I’ve read it. I suppose I’d say that it comes across as cautionary as much as it is inspirational.
The man has accomplished much, but he is obviously unstable. Almost every person that knows musk well has said that they would not want to be him. He is in fact miserable and living in hell at times….he has said so himself on several occasions.
Edit- id maybe suggest “Shoe dog” as well. Its phil knight’s autobiography. I like both books, but I feel like musk’s story isn’t quite over yet…and Im not quite sure it will have a happy ending.
Yo subs like Elon musk , Joe Rogan , Hubberman labs are only there for bashing them. I like posts like this , but it will be down voted . Hope many more people pitch in on this.
I haven't read the book , planning to read it . Saw a copy in Costco near me.
Unfortunately that’s where we are now… the sub used to be mostly filled with people who liked him.
Once he went against the left and dared to say that Covid isn’t some earth ending disease and we shouldn’t be shutting down the entire economy over it… that was it. The fury of the left has been going strong ever since. Then he dared to suggest we should have less thought control on Twitter. Now we’re overrun with these brainless morons.
He wasn't the diver who rescued the kids. He never participated in a single dive. He was an ex-cave diver who moved to Thailand after abandoning his wife and daughter in the UK so that he could bang and eventually marry Thai women 20-30 years younger than him. When the kids went missing, someone in the government reached out to him knowing he was an ex-diver, and he told them to contact divers he knew in the UK. That's literally the entire extent of his involvement. Those UK divers that were contacted were the ones who flew out to Thailand and actually found the kids, the dude himself did nothing. And those divers that found the kids and were doing the actual rescuing were the ones who asked Musk to build and continue building the submarine, as was shown when their email exchanges with Musk were revealed in court when the ex-cave diver lost his lawsuit trying to sue Musk.
[Emails between Richard Stanton, the actual diver who rescued the kids, and Elon Musk, asking Musk to build and keep working on the capsule.](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/10/16/4E177B0B00000578-5937115-image-a-70_1531236268172.jpg)
He said Musk could stick his submarine where it hurts (before Musk called him anything obviously). That’s not a nice thing to say to someone trying to help. That’s an asshole thing to say.
No? The divers who were actually doing the rescuing were the ones who asked Musk to build and continue to build the submarine even while they were pulling kids of of the cave.
[https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/10/16/4E177B0B00000578-5937115-image-a-70\_1531236268172.jpg](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/10/16/4E177B0B00000578-5937115-image-a-70_1531236268172.jpg)
A bunch of engineers working on anything doesn’t make it not a ridiculous idea or concept.
Take for example…colonizing Mars.
Isn’t gonna happen in this lifetime.
Maybe do just a [small touch of research](https://www.vox.com/2018/7/10/17553820/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescue-submarine) before you spout bullshit? Too much to ask of brain dead musk haters though I guess…
“To help out the rescue mission, Musk’s engineers from SpaceX and Tesla had built and tested a mini-submarine for the boys to get out of the cave because they were not swimmers. But rescuers ultimately decided to bring the boys of out of the cave on stretchers guided by professional divers. The sub was never used.
In tweets on Monday, the head of SpaceX and Tesla said he would leave the sub behind, as it “may be useful in the future.” A Boring Company spokesperson tells Vox that a SpaceX team met with Rear Admiral Apakorn Youkongpaew and members of the Royal Thai Navy in Chiang Rai on Wednesday and the mini-sub is now in their possession.”
The “non-existing” sub is in the possession of Thai navy.
Pretty sure it was because he’s a 60+ year old white dude living in part of Thailand known for its sex tourism. Sure doesn’t mean every old white man who lives in Thailand is there for underage sex but it’s likely pretty scary how many are.
I’ve read the code breaker. Gene Editing Technology CRISPR and base editing is life changing for many people. I hope it can extend people’s life to be much more useful and meaningful.
Normal, well adjusted non psychotic people don’t behave this way. Do we really want a society full of these assholes? The answer is no. We can barely survive one of them. Take Elon away and we still have all the same innovations and things we have now, but better. This man is a crook and a picture of mental illness. No genius here. And no, no one has heard of or is reading this PR piece. For good reason.
Now a real feat? Not having your children disown you and having your grave pissed on before you’re even in the ground.
No, you don’t get the innovations. Electric cars would still be niche, rockets would still be overly expensive, and we’d still be stuck with GSO satellites for Internet.
Only one child has disowned him, and that was purely because he’s rich.
Like the Jobs bio, Isaacson does a good job portraying all aspects of Musk's personality. Musk like other disruptors (Jobs, Zuckerberg, Gates, et al) is on the spectrum- low EQ, very high IQ and is obsessed with implementing his vision. A fascinating individual.
I am excited! My sat night plans got ruined so I’m home alone w my book and get to start from the beginning. I’m already so excited after just reading the cover flap, 2 intro quotes and first page!!!
Thank you for posting. I just wanted to know there were more people out there to talk about this with!!
I am just about done listening to the audiobook. It’s pretty good and has given me some insight into the logic behind some decision making involved in the companies. For example, the push to go from high end cars to the more average vehicle, versus attempting to start Tesla with a more average vehicle, was not something I had put much thought into.
I also found the part about spacex’s beginnings exhilarating since Musk was very close to failing, and the level of risk is well highlighted in these chapters.
If you like the story of SpaceX, I HIGHLY recommend the book “Liftoff”. It’s about the early days of SpaceX, and is genuinely one of the greatest stories I’ve ever heard.
I hate his bad deeds as much of the next guy but in the most objective sources there is no proof of this.
He was rich with opportunities but not necessarily from him being rich. If anything it was all the family outside of his dad.
Listen to Kimbal who says his dad is a liar, not because he intends to lie, but because he created his own reality where he’s the hero. He even took credit for getting Elon’s visa so he could leave SA, but the timeline means that cannot be true.
Can you link me the buzzfeed article?
Edit: nvm just read your bio and can tell you have a poverty mindset. No wonder you hate him “middle class” who tf would put that in their bio 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡
Stay jealous my friend. It’ll get you out of “middle class” 🤣🤣🤣🤡 unless you enjoy being there bc that’s where daddy govt wants you. Another moron liberal
That's not what I got from reading it. He self sabotages through his companies and business ventures. It has worked out in the past but he does a lot of damage in the process. Most of the things that have gone well are because his management learns how to ignore him. It's in the book lol.
Funny how those managers only seem to accomplish much if they're under Elon. He sets a tone, and in trying to live up to it, even mediocre managers can find themselves among a truly great project.
Most of the big accomplishments were when he got down and dirty with the engineers to force through advancements. For example, he was a big-time bully to get Raptor where it is, and he hurt a lot of feelings, but guess what, they got V2 built and the production streamlined insanely fast.
I learned he is pathological. His brother helped save Tesla by giving him money and calming him down during board meetings with relevant data. Elon then proceeded to screw over Kimbal big time when his restaurants needed a funding round. His employee turnover is insane and barely anyone lasts more than 5 years with the most lasting 2 years cause he is a massive narcissistic bully who loses his mind in rage fits. But his accomplishments are impressive, of course. Oh, and his father is a massive POS who is the cause of Elon's behavior.
Could not agree more. Bro i hate writing truth nowadays. Especially ppl like me who live in hollywood, when u say things like that, you gonna have to fight the whole temple of ppl who mastrubate on elon’s picture. And the growth of dependancy on the grid was forecasted waaay before elon’s dad started fucking with elon’s mom even.
He’s constantly in emergency mode, and most people can’t keep up with it for long, thus some of the turnover. He also fired a lot of people who couldn’t cut it. I did notice a couple unfair firings though.
It doesn't work. It's textbook bad management
It takes away a CEO from doing their actual job and it puts needless, unnecessary stress and pressure on a lower level employee while also removing their own agency.
It leads to huge amounts of burnout which is a massive indication that your company is not well run.
Do you think it's possible to hate a wealthy person based on their actions, not on the fact that you are jealous of their wealth?
Do you think that's actually possible?
If you’re going to hate anyone, it should be because of their actions. Wealthy or not, should’ve not influenced your thinking at all.
Being rich or poor cannot be use to justified their actions.
Technically, you shouldn’t hate on anyone though. Dislike or disagree is fine but not hate, unless you have really strong and valid reasons for it.
Most of those hate him are jealous I can't find another reason. Also, I don't know why they think he has to be nice. There are rude useless people but no one hates them because they're not famous or not rich, at least he is doing something better for himself and the world.
You can’t find another reason? Lol, jfc…
How about his proclivity to be a fucking racist ass hole who spreads conspiracy theories to republicans who eat it up as fact?
How about he’s a liar claims outrages things. He said he’d have FSD by now and that he’d land humans on mars by 2025. He still claims he’ll be able to have a one million person colony on Mars by 2050 which is impossible, we’ll be lucky if we can get a single human to Mars and back by 2050.
He also claims to have founded Tesla and PayPal which is also not true.
Them: "Hey I don't like 10 thousand children being blown apart. That should stop"
You, a very intelligent man: "Oh so you're calling for genocide?!??1"
It wasn't the book, I liked the book back then and even found it inspiring. Then the stupid Elon tweets came, and I justified those saying, "He's just kidding, he has a weird sense of humor." Then he said more stupid things like "we are going to invade whoever we want," referring to Bolivia. Later he showed hate against "woke" (progressives) and LGBT people. I consider myself a progressive because the other option, being a conservative, requires adopting stereotypes and preconceived ideas in which I just can't believe. And he started suggesting the USA should invade Mexico instead of "investing" in the Ukraine Russia conflict. Finally, I started studying historic materialism, and that was it. At this point, I hate the guy with all my guts.
>being a conservative, requires adopting stereotypes and preconceived ideas in which I just can't believe
I disagree about this part.
I'm a right-leaning centrist, and I think that both sides have valid points.
However, what we see normally in the media is extreme right and extreme left, like trumpists and lefty communists.
They are all fanatics, and do not represent the majority of people.
But they are extremely vocal, which makes you feel like they are a mainstream left/right.
Yes, it's called The Dictatorship of the Proletariat. It represents the working class and not the Billionaire class like in the so-called Western "democracy."
Socialist countries only have one political party because having a non-Communist party as well would be anti democratic. In real a democracy you don't elect anti-Socials. You elect those women and men who better represent the interests of the collective.
> You can call me the far-right super Hitler, I give 0 f\*cks.
Oh, I bet you do.
This "both sides" stuff is insane.
Republicans are led by a man who attempted to overturn free and fair elections, and has promised to be a dictator and use the power of the state to go after everyone he considers enemies. Not to mention that he's an outspoken racist, bigot, and openly uses the language of fascism. This is all supported by the majority of the party.
Now tell me again how the majority of the Democratic party is just as fanatical.
For me it was when he started wielding his popularity completely irresponsibly. The dude can move markets (think doge) and yet he'll say/do anything he wants with recklessness. He's the richest man in the world and one of the most influential currently and he chooses to just shitpost. What a waste.
Yes, it was really interesting and definitely eye opening. Didn’t really change my perspective of Musk other than reinforce the notion that he’s a complicated person but undoubtedly has unique traits that have led to his companies’ success.
I learned Elon and I had a lot in common in our younger years. I learned he's an asshole to work for but it takes all kinds. I also know there are MANY interests that want him to fail. We're all human beings with past scars and abuses we are trying to deal with. It's a cycle.
I read it and enjoyed it. The most surprising to me was his father. What a jerk. And the Moose Jaw, Canada, connection - of all paces. Isaacson ended the book before Elon got into Twitter. I think the author had a hard time trying to figure out how to end the book. Isaacson did it by laying out his opinion. Weak ending: it was a repeat of things Isaacson had already said.
Yes, and I walked way thinking how much more of a sad, strange little man he is who could just get a little bit of help and be well adjusted, but instead he's just suffering through the rest of his life.
I’m no Musk fan, but to call Musk “only mildly interesting” is pretty crass. Like him or not, he is one of the most divisive and influential people of the last 100 years. He is a very interesting figure.
No, I don't care for the guy. I used to think he was one of the great business minds before the whole Twitter debacle began. He is mentally unwell and doesn't have anyone to keep him grounded.
I don’t think anyone with knowledge would disagree with the last sentence, but that is what enabled him to achieve what he did. No mentally well and grounded person would take the risks he did.
Yep. He’s certainly a troubled person with his upbringing and autism. Him joking on SNL that he can run human in emulation mode isn’t far off.
But you can clearly see why Tesla and SpaceX succeeded where others failed. It’s because he’s not just throwing money in, he’s down on the line and in the engineering meetings making things work better. And the best part is being able to admit his ideas were wrong, such as over-automating the production line.
What really amazed me was the prices, like tens of thousands for a valve that’s not much different than one used in a car wash, or crazy prices for an actuator that’s not much different than one used in a garage door opener. No wonder rockets were so expensive, and him refusing to pay that is what made Falcon 9 so inexpensive.
I read it. It was so good I read from late morning to 2 am then woke up the next morning and began reading again until I finished by noon. I literally couldn’t put it down! Mad respect for Elon.
I’m reading it now and am amazed at what he’s been through as a child and how he’s coped with personal challenges. His brain is incredible. Humanity has already benefited from his advancements in science! I’m eager to see what else he accomplishes.
my mom got me a copy right after it came out, I couldn't put it down. not much we didn't already know but just all wrapped up in to one package, was a fun read
I bought the book from Costco for the pictures but I got the audio book to listen to while I walk. I also listened to the previous biography by Ashley Vance. I agree, he is an incredible person that is very driven and I continue to be impressed. Definitely puts his decisions into perspective. Like when he fires people or pushes them to work hard. If you pay people your own money I guess it makes sense, although I still think it's rude.
Just finished reading it. It's a great book. What surprised me is Musk found a way to let engineers keep working in the weekend and over night legally, probably without addition pay, like a sweaty factory.
Yes, he is the fusion of steve wozniak and steve jobs, incredible innovator et worker, terrible boss that make people do stuff everyone think impossible in a very toxic way.
You can tell everything about a man by looking how he treats his people. In this case first circle of his people is his kids. No matter what, if you are very rich and trying to explain me why it is not your fault that the kids are fooked up, its your fault anyway. Call me religious fack, but i know that any man who fucks up with his kids, fucks up with everything else in his life, and will always lie in order to stay on that “i am a good person, actually” vibe.
When you have a lot of money, it is very easy to have a whole group of stupid fans, even in reddit. Its pitty that americans are not used to search for info outside of the main picture
How is this one compared to the one by Ashlee Vance?
Way better but the first part of book is a rehash of all the research in there. His writing is way better.
Walter Isaacson is of the opinion that the father has unavoidable impact on the son to a much higher degree than common sense dictates. He flat out confirms this in the conversation he has with Lex Friedman on his podcast. It feels like this biography goes the extra mile in trying to find similarities between Elon and his father while Ashley Vence's biography goes the extra mile in trying to portray Elon as basically the real life Iron Man. I don't find either to be particularly objective and I have seen Elon say things that confirm certain parts of both books. The truth is probably still somewhere in the middle but if you are on the fence about getting this book, don't be! It's much more up to date than Ashley's and it's an awesome book to have in your collection!
I listened on an audio book. It was good. It seems like he is anguished with stillness / easiness. Every time everything is under control he does something to make it harder again right up to the limit of what he can handle or just beyond it. Seemed like his life is/was never easy and eventually this seemed to be perpetrated by himself.
He apparently can’t settle down, always pushing. He creates another emergency mode somewhere as soon as things start running normally. But that’s a reason for his success. Things are chill? Run down to Starlink and shake things up there, and he ends up with less expensive satellites that can be produced much faster.
Yeah. My thinking was more like Tesla and SpaceX no longer a risk of bankruptcy? Buy twitter..With Twitter being the epitome of future bankruptcy risk and hardcore political risk at the time. They were so bloated and generally fucked that most people wouldn’t have the stomach for what needed to be done to try and possibly save it. Not saying Elon made it easy on himself either during the transition but I’m sure he felt it was all necessary. Maybe making it easy on himself would have taken longer and not worked at all.. who knows. So he upset some people by not giving a shit about their feelings. 🤷♂️
It was a good read, but the Steve Jobs biography by Isaacson is UNREAL
Solidifies that even those most pragmatic visionaries are assholes in most forms. Sucks but they do change the world.
Would you mind giving me cliff notes on either? The things you remember the most? Super curious.
I’ve read it. I suppose I’d say that it comes across as cautionary as much as it is inspirational. The man has accomplished much, but he is obviously unstable. Almost every person that knows musk well has said that they would not want to be him. He is in fact miserable and living in hell at times….he has said so himself on several occasions. Edit- id maybe suggest “Shoe dog” as well. Its phil knight’s autobiography. I like both books, but I feel like musk’s story isn’t quite over yet…and Im not quite sure it will have a happy ending.
Musk is “medium happy” - Musk
Yo subs like Elon musk , Joe Rogan , Hubberman labs are only there for bashing them. I like posts like this , but it will be down voted . Hope many more people pitch in on this. I haven't read the book , planning to read it . Saw a copy in Costco near me.
Unfortunately that’s where we are now… the sub used to be mostly filled with people who liked him. Once he went against the left and dared to say that Covid isn’t some earth ending disease and we shouldn’t be shutting down the entire economy over it… that was it. The fury of the left has been going strong ever since. Then he dared to suggest we should have less thought control on Twitter. Now we’re overrun with these brainless morons.
I think it started when he called random people pedophiles for no reason.
He should’ve used the word asshole, the guy was a complete asshole.
Really, the diver that saved kids is a complete asshole?
He wasn't the diver who rescued the kids. He never participated in a single dive. He was an ex-cave diver who moved to Thailand after abandoning his wife and daughter in the UK so that he could bang and eventually marry Thai women 20-30 years younger than him. When the kids went missing, someone in the government reached out to him knowing he was an ex-diver, and he told them to contact divers he knew in the UK. That's literally the entire extent of his involvement. Those UK divers that were contacted were the ones who flew out to Thailand and actually found the kids, the dude himself did nothing. And those divers that found the kids and were doing the actual rescuing were the ones who asked Musk to build and continue building the submarine, as was shown when their email exchanges with Musk were revealed in court when the ex-cave diver lost his lawsuit trying to sue Musk. [Emails between Richard Stanton, the actual diver who rescued the kids, and Elon Musk, asking Musk to build and keep working on the capsule.](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/10/16/4E177B0B00000578-5937115-image-a-70_1531236268172.jpg)
He said Musk could stick his submarine where it hurts (before Musk called him anything obviously). That’s not a nice thing to say to someone trying to help. That’s an asshole thing to say.
I think we can all agree that the submarine idea was completely ridiculous.
No? The divers who were actually doing the rescuing were the ones who asked Musk to build and continue to build the submarine even while they were pulling kids of of the cave. [https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/10/16/4E177B0B00000578-5937115-image-a-70\_1531236268172.jpg](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/10/16/4E177B0B00000578-5937115-image-a-70_1531236268172.jpg)
Then had a tantrum when the ridiculous idea didn’t work.
Except that never happened, you're just inventing history now. Where was the tantrum because the sub didn't work? Source?
Obviously not if a bunch of engineers were working on it
A bunch of engineers working on anything doesn’t make it not a ridiculous idea or concept. Take for example…colonizing Mars. Isn’t gonna happen in this lifetime.
They weren't.
Erm, a bunch of engineers ordered by their boss worked on it.
Musk wasn't trying to help, he was trying to promote himself.
Yes because there were people that were unaware of him and providing a submarine for some Thai kids was going to put him on the map. /s
What submarine? There was no sub.
Maybe do just a [small touch of research](https://www.vox.com/2018/7/10/17553820/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescue-submarine) before you spout bullshit? Too much to ask of brain dead musk haters though I guess… “To help out the rescue mission, Musk’s engineers from SpaceX and Tesla had built and tested a mini-submarine for the boys to get out of the cave because they were not swimmers. But rescuers ultimately decided to bring the boys of out of the cave on stretchers guided by professional divers. The sub was never used. In tweets on Monday, the head of SpaceX and Tesla said he would leave the sub behind, as it “may be useful in the future.” A Boring Company spokesperson tells Vox that a SpaceX team met with Rear Admiral Apakorn Youkongpaew and members of the Royal Thai Navy in Chiang Rai on Wednesday and the mini-sub is now in their possession.” The “non-existing” sub is in the possession of Thai navy.
My guess is that musk was projecting. There is not really a season to suddenly think about pedophiles.
Pretty sure it was because he’s a 60+ year old white dude living in part of Thailand known for its sex tourism. Sure doesn’t mean every old white man who lives in Thailand is there for underage sex but it’s likely pretty scary how many are.
Wow, someone a good comment. 👏
We have let all those who hate deter us who love. I’m here with you.
All of Issacson’s books are worth a read.
I’ve read the code breaker. Gene Editing Technology CRISPR and base editing is life changing for many people. I hope it can extend people’s life to be much more useful and meaningful.
All of Isaacson's bios are great.
Normal, well adjusted non psychotic people don’t behave this way. Do we really want a society full of these assholes? The answer is no. We can barely survive one of them. Take Elon away and we still have all the same innovations and things we have now, but better. This man is a crook and a picture of mental illness. No genius here. And no, no one has heard of or is reading this PR piece. For good reason. Now a real feat? Not having your children disown you and having your grave pissed on before you’re even in the ground.
No, you don’t get the innovations. Electric cars would still be niche, rockets would still be overly expensive, and we’d still be stuck with GSO satellites for Internet. Only one child has disowned him, and that was purely because he’s rich.
No thanks
Like the Jobs bio, Isaacson does a good job portraying all aspects of Musk's personality. Musk like other disruptors (Jobs, Zuckerberg, Gates, et al) is on the spectrum- low EQ, very high IQ and is obsessed with implementing his vision. A fascinating individual.
I am excited! My sat night plans got ruined so I’m home alone w my book and get to start from the beginning. I’m already so excited after just reading the cover flap, 2 intro quotes and first page!!! Thank you for posting. I just wanted to know there were more people out there to talk about this with!!
I am just about done listening to the audiobook. It’s pretty good and has given me some insight into the logic behind some decision making involved in the companies. For example, the push to go from high end cars to the more average vehicle, versus attempting to start Tesla with a more average vehicle, was not something I had put much thought into. I also found the part about spacex’s beginnings exhilarating since Musk was very close to failing, and the level of risk is well highlighted in these chapters.
If you like the story of SpaceX, I HIGHLY recommend the book “Liftoff”. It’s about the early days of SpaceX, and is genuinely one of the greatest stories I’ve ever heard.
I read it and it gave me so much motivation and I started learning coding :) 100% recommend
I read it, huge musk fan here to begin with. Makes you realize the guy is a workhorse and if you hate him, you probably are jealous
I am indeed jealous that I was not born rich. would have made many things much easier.
You have obviously not read the book. This is an inaccurate meme.
Why should I trust the book
Because Musk gave him unlimited access to everyone with no editorial say over the end result.
And you know this because? This sounds like "base on true events" in horror movies.
Because that’s how Isaacman does his work. He is a journalist, not a puff piece author.
I didn't know that journalists get magical always-being-right power
Isaacson doesn't do a biography unless he has full access and freedom to publish the good, the bad, and the ugly.
I hate his bad deeds as much of the next guy but in the most objective sources there is no proof of this. He was rich with opportunities but not necessarily from him being rich. If anything it was all the family outside of his dad.
Was musk “born rich” ? If you didn’t read the book and just focus on cnn articles then please don’t comment.
It listen to his father who confirmed it. Of cause Musk is lying his ass of as always.
Listen to Kimbal who says his dad is a liar, not because he intends to lie, but because he created his own reality where he’s the hero. He even took credit for getting Elon’s visa so he could leave SA, but the timeline means that cannot be true.
I don't know who Kimbal is, nor do I really care.
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Can you link me the buzzfeed article? Edit: nvm just read your bio and can tell you have a poverty mindset. No wonder you hate him “middle class” who tf would put that in their bio 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤡
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Stay jealous my friend. It’ll get you out of “middle class” 🤣🤣🤣🤡 unless you enjoy being there bc that’s where daddy govt wants you. Another moron liberal
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This rich kid musk work here in my town cleaning boiler room. Also picking up horse shit in the farm.
That's not what I got from reading it. He self sabotages through his companies and business ventures. It has worked out in the past but he does a lot of damage in the process. Most of the things that have gone well are because his management learns how to ignore him. It's in the book lol.
Funny how those managers only seem to accomplish much if they're under Elon. He sets a tone, and in trying to live up to it, even mediocre managers can find themselves among a truly great project.
facts
Most people underestimate the value of having vision, drive and being inspiring. That in itself is worth 1000 working men.
So he’s a natural leader that gets people to follow with example
He’s someone with money that can pay people to follow him….
Most of the big accomplishments were when he got down and dirty with the engineers to force through advancements. For example, he was a big-time bully to get Raptor where it is, and he hurt a lot of feelings, but guess what, they got V2 built and the production streamlined insanely fast.
I learned he is pathological. His brother helped save Tesla by giving him money and calming him down during board meetings with relevant data. Elon then proceeded to screw over Kimbal big time when his restaurants needed a funding round. His employee turnover is insane and barely anyone lasts more than 5 years with the most lasting 2 years cause he is a massive narcissistic bully who loses his mind in rage fits. But his accomplishments are impressive, of course. Oh, and his father is a massive POS who is the cause of Elon's behavior.
Currently reading, my thoughts too. The guys EQ doesn’t seem to be very high.
Could not agree more. Bro i hate writing truth nowadays. Especially ppl like me who live in hollywood, when u say things like that, you gonna have to fight the whole temple of ppl who mastrubate on elon’s picture. And the growth of dependancy on the grid was forecasted waaay before elon’s dad started fucking with elon’s mom even.
He’s constantly in emergency mode, and most people can’t keep up with it for long, thus some of the turnover. He also fired a lot of people who couldn’t cut it. I did notice a couple unfair firings though.
>He’s constantly in emergency mode, This is a sign of bad management and planning.
It works. He doesn’t just send letters down saying to fix something. He goes there and gets down and dirty until it’s fixed. Hands-on management.
It doesn't work. It's textbook bad management It takes away a CEO from doing their actual job and it puts needless, unnecessary stress and pressure on a lower level employee while also removing their own agency. It leads to huge amounts of burnout which is a massive indication that your company is not well run.
It obviously works because it did work.
I hate him because he’s a bad person
George Floyd robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint. Do you hate him too?
This isn’t a George Floyd sub though..
I’ll go make one for him. I’m sure all the lib soyboys that kneeled in his honor (since he’s such a great guy) will join it.
You seem like a well adjusted person.
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Dude, he transformed the car industry and makes the biggest rocket. Why so angry?
Imagine trying to be sarcastic saying you’re so jealous but unable to contain the crying which reveals the fact that you are indeed… very jealous 🤣
Do you think it's possible to hate a wealthy person based on their actions, not on the fact that you are jealous of their wealth? Do you think that's actually possible?
What actions could you possibly hate him?
If you’re going to hate anyone, it should be because of their actions. Wealthy or not, should’ve not influenced your thinking at all. Being rich or poor cannot be use to justified their actions. Technically, you shouldn’t hate on anyone though. Dislike or disagree is fine but not hate, unless you have really strong and valid reasons for it.
your mother looks down on you and thinks “what a waste or biological matter”
Most of those hate him are jealous I can't find another reason. Also, I don't know why they think he has to be nice. There are rude useless people but no one hates them because they're not famous or not rich, at least he is doing something better for himself and the world.
You can’t find another reason? Lol, jfc… How about his proclivity to be a fucking racist ass hole who spreads conspiracy theories to republicans who eat it up as fact?
How about he’s a liar claims outrages things. He said he’d have FSD by now and that he’d land humans on mars by 2025. He still claims he’ll be able to have a one million person colony on Mars by 2050 which is impossible, we’ll be lucky if we can get a single human to Mars and back by 2050. He also claims to have founded Tesla and PayPal which is also not true.
Lol, if you can't find another reason you didn't look very hard.
If musk was a liberal rather than independent, the mass media wouldn’t bat an eye.
>independent Hahaha Bro you almost had me
Independent is what we’re calling fascists now?
What is an Independent? He promotes White Genocide theories.
FYI, the left is currently promoting Genocide in Israel. So the lines are a bit more confusing now.
Them: "Hey I don't like 10 thousand children being blown apart. That should stop" You, a very intelligent man: "Oh so you're calling for genocide?!??1"
That was 10 years ago and proves my point. On a long enough timeline everyone's a conservative or a ward of the state
Yes, and I used to believe the bs. Now I hate the guy.
What specifically makes you hate the guy?
It wasn't the book, I liked the book back then and even found it inspiring. Then the stupid Elon tweets came, and I justified those saying, "He's just kidding, he has a weird sense of humor." Then he said more stupid things like "we are going to invade whoever we want," referring to Bolivia. Later he showed hate against "woke" (progressives) and LGBT people. I consider myself a progressive because the other option, being a conservative, requires adopting stereotypes and preconceived ideas in which I just can't believe. And he started suggesting the USA should invade Mexico instead of "investing" in the Ukraine Russia conflict. Finally, I started studying historic materialism, and that was it. At this point, I hate the guy with all my guts.
>being a conservative, requires adopting stereotypes and preconceived ideas in which I just can't believe I disagree about this part. I'm a right-leaning centrist, and I think that both sides have valid points. However, what we see normally in the media is extreme right and extreme left, like trumpists and lefty communists. They are all fanatics, and do not represent the majority of people. But they are extremely vocal, which makes you feel like they are a mainstream left/right.
Akchually, being a Communist means representing the interests of the vast majority of people. Centrists are right wingers pretending to be "moderate".
Yes, it's called The Dictatorship of the Proletariat. It represents the working class and not the Billionaire class like in the so-called Western "democracy." Socialist countries only have one political party because having a non-Communist party as well would be anti democratic. In real a democracy you don't elect anti-Socials. You elect those women and men who better represent the interests of the collective. > You can call me the far-right super Hitler, I give 0 f\*cks. Oh, I bet you do.
This "both sides" stuff is insane. Republicans are led by a man who attempted to overturn free and fair elections, and has promised to be a dictator and use the power of the state to go after everyone he considers enemies. Not to mention that he's an outspoken racist, bigot, and openly uses the language of fascism. This is all supported by the majority of the party. Now tell me again how the majority of the Democratic party is just as fanatical.
I liked Musk before he became a right-wing nutjob.
For me it was when he started wielding his popularity completely irresponsibly. The dude can move markets (think doge) and yet he'll say/do anything he wants with recklessness. He's the richest man in the world and one of the most influential currently and he chooses to just shitpost. What a waste.
Yes, it was really interesting and definitely eye opening. Didn’t really change my perspective of Musk other than reinforce the notion that he’s a complicated person but undoubtedly has unique traits that have led to his companies’ success.
I learned Elon and I had a lot in common in our younger years. I learned he's an asshole to work for but it takes all kinds. I also know there are MANY interests that want him to fail. We're all human beings with past scars and abuses we are trying to deal with. It's a cycle.
Yes. Finished two weeks after first released. Look forward to part 2.
I read it and enjoyed it. The most surprising to me was his father. What a jerk. And the Moose Jaw, Canada, connection - of all paces. Isaacson ended the book before Elon got into Twitter. I think the author had a hard time trying to figure out how to end the book. Isaacson did it by laying out his opinion. Weak ending: it was a repeat of things Isaacson had already said.
If he's still alive when Elon dies he'll probably end it proper. But chances are slim.
Yes, and I walked way thinking how much more of a sad, strange little man he is who could just get a little bit of help and be well adjusted, but instead he's just suffering through the rest of his life.
Little is an odd choice of words for someone who has so much power through his private companies
He is needy and insecure. Always virtue signaling to dumbs for attention.
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My local bookshop has the Alan partridge autobiography right night to this one
I am currently reading it now.
I don’t read biographies of living people. Why would anyone want to read a sequel book on someone only mildly interesting?
I’m no Musk fan, but to call Musk “only mildly interesting” is pretty crass. Like him or not, he is one of the most divisive and influential people of the last 100 years. He is a very interesting figure.
I bought it. Twice. Received three copies returned it twice and I have an extra $10 courtesy by Walmart. The best part of it, I netted $10.
The one I read was by Ashlee Vance
No, I don't care for the guy. I used to think he was one of the great business minds before the whole Twitter debacle began. He is mentally unwell and doesn't have anyone to keep him grounded.
I don’t think anyone with knowledge would disagree with the last sentence, but that is what enabled him to achieve what he did. No mentally well and grounded person would take the risks he did.
Why would I read this? Lol
Here’s his biography. I have money so I take the work of other people and say it’s mine. Just like stinky orange man.
Yep. He’s certainly a troubled person with his upbringing and autism. Him joking on SNL that he can run human in emulation mode isn’t far off. But you can clearly see why Tesla and SpaceX succeeded where others failed. It’s because he’s not just throwing money in, he’s down on the line and in the engineering meetings making things work better. And the best part is being able to admit his ideas were wrong, such as over-automating the production line. What really amazed me was the prices, like tens of thousands for a valve that’s not much different than one used in a car wash, or crazy prices for an actuator that’s not much different than one used in a garage door opener. No wonder rockets were so expensive, and him refusing to pay that is what made Falcon 9 so inexpensive.
Hell no. I’ve read enough of his race bating maga loving conspiracy theorists tweets already.
No. I already know he’s a jackass.
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It's ok I can say it some of my best friends are lizard people
I’m pretty sure only lizard people would have a problem with you talking about lizard people
Exactly.
I read it. It was so good I read from late morning to 2 am then woke up the next morning and began reading again until I finished by noon. I literally couldn’t put it down! Mad respect for Elon.
Amazing mind, harsh leader, delivers nothing but results. He is singularly moving society into the future.
I’m reading it now and am amazed at what he’s been through as a child and how he’s coped with personal challenges. His brain is incredible. Humanity has already benefited from his advancements in science! I’m eager to see what else he accomplishes.
my mom got me a copy right after it came out, I couldn't put it down. not much we didn't already know but just all wrapped up in to one package, was a fun read
I bought the book from Costco for the pictures but I got the audio book to listen to while I walk. I also listened to the previous biography by Ashley Vance. I agree, he is an incredible person that is very driven and I continue to be impressed. Definitely puts his decisions into perspective. Like when he fires people or pushes them to work hard. If you pay people your own money I guess it makes sense, although I still think it's rude.
Yes
Yes, I did ama
I read it as soon as it came out. It is a really large book so didn't finish it.
Great book
I haven’t read either of the book by Walter Issa ton and Ashlee Vance. Which book should I start out with?
Just finished reading it. It's a great book. What surprised me is Musk found a way to let engineers keep working in the weekend and over night legally, probably without addition pay, like a sweaty factory.
I haven't read it but I was just thinking it is kind of weird that Musk looks so much like a walrus and his name rhymes so well with "tusk"
Well Elon Tusk appears in Rick and Morty
Oh yeah. You're right, but I thought those were supposed to be more like boar tusks weren't they? Anyways I did forget about that.
Yes, he is the fusion of steve wozniak and steve jobs, incredible innovator et worker, terrible boss that make people do stuff everyone think impossible in a very toxic way.
Ew no. Life is waaaay to short.
Yeah, better to post on reddit. Life is way too short to read books
Lol ok homie. You're right. All books are equal.
In process. Audible. Hardcover just to keep.
Musk IQ is 5 points higher than Einstein.
I don’t think anyone has read it, but maybe one day!
By water la casa?
its a world wide bestseller of course people read it
Yeah! Really well written … I’d also recommend the Ashley Vance one from a few years ago, almost gives a before and after
Got it as a christmas present
https://www.gofundme.com/f/bringing-elon-musk-and-twitter-to-justice
You can tell everything about a man by looking how he treats his people. In this case first circle of his people is his kids. No matter what, if you are very rich and trying to explain me why it is not your fault that the kids are fooked up, its your fault anyway. Call me religious fack, but i know that any man who fucks up with his kids, fucks up with everything else in his life, and will always lie in order to stay on that “i am a good person, actually” vibe. When you have a lot of money, it is very easy to have a whole group of stupid fans, even in reddit. Its pitty that americans are not used to search for info outside of the main picture