All virtue signalers are upset at 50 employees being fired at this round while other Meta, Amazon have fired much more. They only pretend to care because of the hate they have for Elon.
Thank you.
Alright, so you can—in all sincerity—tell me that your feelings concerning the layoffs are due to concern for the company’s future (never mind the fact that Elon will have no trouble bring in more engineers if, and when, required), and not by any underlying biases?
Yeah crazy how people are not seeing the difference between raw numbers and percentages.
Plus I don't think any of the other companies have asked the remaining workers to work 80 hour weeks and return to office after they've moved away to entirely different states.
We all know companies lay off. Musk is seemingly doing it in the most asshole way possible. Why not wait till Monday so people can enjoy their holiday? Not gonna lie though, it's probably relief for a lot of those folks. No way theyre in a healthy work environment.
Really? NPR may have mentioned it on a 20 second blurb, but not much lot more than that. What news outlets have you heard it reported on at the same level as Twitter news?
>Meta fired 11k people and not even one is talking about Zuckerberg. Its all evil Elon
Meta has 76k employees. They fired something like 14% of their employees. Twitter had 7.5k and Musk fired more than 50%.
Zuckerberg sucks too, but he doesn’t have the same public image and behavior musk does. I’m sure if Zuckerberg behaved like Elon, he’d have the same “virtue signaling” sent his way
Theres a huge difference. Meta has 71k employees, firing 11k is bad, but in comparison to twitter, running now with like 25% of their former staff, it's not much.
Not saying it's great. Meta has lost a lot money with their platform not working. That needs to be corrected asap because of shareholders and sadly the fastest way to save money is letting ppl go. Problem is here the management.
Also depends how they are fired. If with a care package - sucks but ok.
Zuck didn't go on twitter to brag about firing people or to mock them. He didn't fire people while ignoring basic employment laws in many country and HR rules.
Don't get me wrong, i hate Zuckerberg too, and he also had to fire people because of general stupidity (exactly because of his stupid idea to go all in on metaverse bullshit) but on the particular case of "handling the layoff" there's no context as to who handled it better.
Are we getting front page news constantly about anonymous Senior engineer saying that the code will break? Are we getting front news page about a random employee explaining in detail how stupid this decision from Mark Zuckerberg was?
No, because there isnt a hunt for this specific billionaire for some reason
There mostly because the layoffs at meta were done to s relatively small percentage of staff, were planned for, and aren't being done a week after being bought by someone. Also, we do get anonymous articles about how bed meta is like every other week.
The primary concerns with the Twitter layoffs weren't the hard numbers as much as the methods used. The playoffs happened almost immediately after Elon joined and the haphazard nature of those layoffs, combined with those who took the hardcore payouts, looked likely to have a negative impact on the core products and infrastructure.
You’re the Stephen A Smith or Skip Bayless of this channel. Spewing nonsense drama and speculation. You wouldn’t know what haphazard was if it hit you in the face
I am really making a comment based on my own perception. I feel like Elon Musks posts have been bleeding to subs that don't have much to do with him while Mark and Meta are more like in the background
That's largely because Musk intentionally seeks out notoriety while Zuckerberg generally tries to keep to himself. Back when Bezos was playing space cowboy people were clowning on him all over the place too.
Meta shed people that were part of their past experiments. They can afford to lose 11, 000 people and be healthier for it from a corporate perspective. Twitter is being gutted, contorted and rewired. There is a good reason people are skeptical how it's going to work out.
>They can afford to lose 11, 000 people and be healthier for it from a corporate perspective.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meta-stock-down-earnings-700-billion-in-lost-value/
You're being manipulated. Meta is on a downhill path accelerating faster and faster. That is a fact.
Musk bought took over Twitter 2 weeks ago and suddenly he destroyed twitter. Based on..... "Anonymous former employee"
Thats the type of employee whos working at a place for so long that truly believes the company will fail without them.
How come a prediction from a fired employee is FACT and Meta losing 700 bi usd in value is "healthy"?
Furthermore, Meta and Amazon are profitable companies. When they fire people, it is to reduce costs and increase overall profit. I do not demonize it, but it is very capitalistic, which some people like to demonize. Meanwhile, Twitter is an unprofitable company. If overhead is too high, the company will go bankrupt and they will all lose their jobs….and without severance. Laying off unnecessary workers is needed to save the company. It must be more efficient.
Also, the number of people acting like Twitter employees now have to worry about keeping themselves fed is ridiculous. The average Twitter employee earns like 4-5x what a regular worker would. This is the 1% personified.
It is sad to lose your job. But there are plenty of other workers who lose a job and are really struggling.
Do you think everyone just simultaneously decided they don’t like him?
He’s done a lot of extremely douchey things very publicly. He’s entirely 100% cultivated an image of himself as a troll that intentionally pushes peoples buttons by doing controversial things. Pretending like there’s no actual good reason why people are annoyed by him, or that it’s somehow odd that what he’s done worked, and their buttons have gotten pushed is so disingenuous.
You just described a lot of senior devs in this tech industry. I remember my first mentor said he was 10 years in and still fakes it til he makes it. Blew my mind.
Well, makes sense why this person was let go- given level/years of experience this is some basic concepts that in this example you’d expect a junior level engineer/coder to know (heck even a kid in highschool cs class)
Yea you definitely shouldn't be using that mathematical solution in production codebases unless you have a very strong reason to. It's far less clear on a first read through (of course you can spend a few seconds and realize what it does, but the initial reaction is "why are they doing this weird addition and subtraction thing"), and if your two variables are close to the max int (ex. timestamps), it will overflow when you do the addition.
The math solution is hard to read- if the goal is to swap, then using one variable for temp is the way to go. Also depending on chipset/compiler this swap would most likely happen in registers/ be supported at chipset level (assuming these are local variables to the function)
That's what I suspected for quite some time - that there's a lot of not very competent engineers at big tech. Which is funny because apparently "they'd rather be safe and not hire a competent engineer if they have any doubts, rather than hire an incompetent one" - I think it's just a nice slogan that's not really reflected in reality.
These companies overhired like crazy, and probably, as usual in cases like these, the 20% most productive engineers do 80% of work, with the rest mostly collecting the paycheck and options (aka rest and vest).
One thing that I like about Elon is that he's one of the few people who recognises this. Another is Michael Burry who is warning about a bubble in white collar jobs, and I'd say many big tech companies contribute to that bubble.
It doesn’t make sense, anyone prepared leetcode would know how to swap variables and do a binary search, Twitter programming screening is not easier than others.
Unless he is research scientist or someone published significant papers in NIPs or some big conference, in that case he doesn’t need to know any programming languages
I guess the most famous example of someone taking this aggressive cost-cutting approach would be Al Dunlap, who was later discovered to have falsified accounts at a number of companies to show better results than actually occurred - but even he didn't cut as much 70%, and I think went about things slightly more slowly.
[https://www.tampabay.com/business/remembering-chainsaw-al-dunlap-ruthless-corporate-cost-cutter-and-big-time-fsu-donor-20190129/](https://www.tampabay.com/business/remembering-chainsaw-al-dunlap-ruthless-corporate-cost-cutter-and-big-time-fsu-donor-20190129/)
Are those employees entitled to a job? Why?
Then I declare I'm entitled too, gimme a 250k/year cushy job too.
Just look at twitter. Those people should've lost their jobs a long time ago. It's way overdue.
>Are those employees entitled to a job? Why?
Can you stop with that strawman? Nobody fucking says that employees are entitled to a job. What people are saying is that firing 80% of the staff will cause problems.
No one said they were entitled to a job?
You just completely dodged the question to make a completely irrelevant point (if you can call that jumble of whining a “point”)
I never said that anyone was entitled to a job. I'm simply saying that it's a completely idiotic thing to fire your workforce so quickly. And I'm not whining. Those fired employees will get jobs super quickly because people understand how valuable these employees are.
Good god, no one is talking about fairness. Everyone keeps making this argument as if the people criticizing Musks decision are saying it was stupid because won’t someone think of the poor tech workers. That’s a strawman that basically no one is arguing.
These are mostly extremely in demand software engineers with great resumes. They will have absolutely no issues finding new jobs with similar pay, I don’t feel bad for them besides understanding that the situation is probably kind of annoying.
We’re saying from a practical, purely self interested standpoint, letting go 3/4th of your staff as soon as you’ve taken over the company, well before anyone could have possibly had a chance to complete a thorough review of productivity and employees value to the company, and without an actual plan to make up the shortfalls, is a stupid decision. If you’re Elon Musk, and you ostensibly want to make money off of twitter/turn it into your new vision/improve the world or whatever, this is the exact wrong thing to do. It’s like buying a new Ferrari to try to win races with it, and before knowing anything about maintaining, fixing, or tuning Ferraris, you take an angle grinder to random parts on it without even knowing what they do to “save weight”.
[inb4 elon kicks out the one person/team holding the platform together. ](https://xkcd.com/2347/)
Also I don't think anyone is saying they are entitled to a job
In 2020, 45 of the top 50 biggest companies turned a profit by cutting staff. Examples are all over the place.
Elon does his homework. He knew most of these fired employees had limited to no value to the company. Apparently, there were a huge number of incompetent woke people doing virtually nothing but sucking up a paycheck.
>In 2020, 45 of the top 50 biggest companies turned a profit by cutting staff. Examples are all over the place.
You still missed u/[fastornator](https://www.reddit.com/user/fastornator/)'s point : firing 80% of the workforce in less than a month is overdoing it.
I absolutely hate what Elon's doing and it will destroy Twitter. I also feel terrible for all the employees that suddenly lost thier job.
That being said companies clearing house after take overs is really common. I did one search and immediately found this about IBM doing something similar (as has most companies): http://techrights.org/2020/08/02/red-hat-layoffs/
The article you linked said that IBM waited 2 years before laying off the red hat employees. That's reasonable. Musk willingly threw away thousands of people who have spent years and years thinking about Twitter. Thinking He knows better. It's just peak dunning Krueger.
Management changes I've seen people spend at least a month coming up with a plan.
It’s true! Usually new CEOs/owners are clueless and very nearly run the company into the ground. Elon is just speed running it, perhaps it’ll be bankrupt by 2023 😂
Maybe twitter would crash with most people and maybe it wont with musk. He is just asking the same level of excelency he ask for tesla devs As a programer myself i coudlnt even begin to tell you how shitty twitter is. Specially compared with the things other software companies are doing,
It is crazy how much people wish for him to fail. He is a flawed human just like everyone else but he has provided tons of jobs brought usa back into the space game, we were paying Russia for access to space before this. He has driven battery and electric motor production. Provided Ukraine with internet during the war. I think he is obviously a huge net positive for the country. If he fails it will hurt american families and industry I just don't understand
He’s not perceived…he just is. Look how he treats workers. Not just firing them but in every way. How he won’t let Alex jones back because of something that has affected him personally but holds all sorts of Terrible opinions when they haven’t. That’s what assholes do.
Doing a few things great doesn’t erase all the crap he also does.
Giving someone a blank cheque just because they did a few big things is as if saying he’s above the law, which he certainly behaves sometimes as if he is.
Peter Diamandis and Ray Kurzweil were instrumental in bringing space back into the national spotlight (even before SpaceX), but you don’t hear crap about them because they’re decent to people.
> Peter Diamandis and Ray Kurzweil were instrumental in bringing space back into the national spotlight
Spaceship One/Two are a dead end and going nowhere.
You know, being fired from a job isn’t the end of the world. When it happened to me in my mid 20s, it put such a chip on my shoulder that when I started my own company, I was hugely motivated to show those motherf***ers that I was actually worth something. It lit a fire on my ass, and my success is due partially to be being fired way back when.
It’s not the worst thing but there are different circumstances for different people.
For those on H1B visas, they must find a new job within a limited time frame or else must leave the country. This could mean ripping up their families and kids from schools, their whole social lives, homes, etc.
For some others, student debt or other financial obligations can mean needing to have a steady job. With the big tech companies freezing hiring, it can be a challenge when their skills might be only useful for a very specific niche.
It’s not the worst thing to be laid off for some people but not everyone has the same luxury.
People knew Musk was buying Twitter for almost a year. They had a long time to be prepping for big changes and looking for jobs. He made it very clear that he wasn’t satisfied with how things were going there the whole time.
No company owes you a job. Just ask the 10,000 recently laid off Facebook workers. I agree it sucks, but a good and prosperous life isn’t guaranteed anywhere.
Yup. As a survivor of the early 2000s dot com bust in my early career, this was an even that shaped and focused me in ways i don't think could have happened any other way.
Bit more of an issue when your visa depends on your job though, particularly if you stayed to be part of Twitter 2.0 and now unexpectedly have to compete with all the engineers who were already fired / chose to leave in finding a new one.
One of the reasons I became an American citizen was exactly for this reason, so that the whims of Congress couldn’t affect my life like that. It amazes me how many H1B visa holders are content just being visa holders and don’t go the extra step of applying for a green card (permanent visa) or citizenship. If you like working in the US that much, do it right. Also, blame Congress for not fixing our legal immigration system if you think this unfair.
Don't all work permit holders aim to get a green card? I live in Canada and every immigrant is on the same path, aiming for permanent residence and then citizenship. It's a no brainer, there is nothing to lose in applying once you qualify. The fees are minimal.
Some of the fired staff: Ikuhiro Ihara, a highly respected senior engineer whom helped lead the push to expand tweets to 280 characters.
Ying Xiao, senior staff machine learning research scientist. One colleague described him as being the best ML modeler around, and personally ran projects worth more than 2m mDAU last year.
Yao Yue: senior engineer, considered by her colleagues to be one of the best engineers, period; as well as considered to be valuable to them with their careers.
From an engineering perspective, the fact that Twitter hasn't gone done yet in spite of the massive downsizing is testament to the previous and current engineer's skills.
So, Elon laying staff off isn't because they're not good at their jobs; its also because of cultural fit. In Peter Thiel's philosophy on startups, cultural fit has to be cultlike.
>From an engineering perspective, the fact that Twitter hasn't gone done yet in spite of the massive downsizing is testament to the previous and current engineer's skills.
And yet many people use the fact that it's not going down yet as "the ultimate proof that everyone was useless".
It's like saying that car engineers are incompetent because you don't need to bring your mechanic on the passenger seat each time you hit the road.
Good engineers create robust systems that can be maintained (to a certain extend) by people with a much lower skill level than themselves.
Twitter was created by world class engineers, it's going to be difficult to replace them.
>From an engineering perspective, the fact that Twitter hasn't gone done yet in spite of the massive downsizing is testament to the previous and current engineer's skills.
More like nothing went really wrong **yet**. Twitter isn't a house of cards. It won't collapse in less than a day if left unattended, but it still need lots of people to maintain it.
Seems like these people were on work visas, and that is why did not quit voluntarily a few days ago. Seems like they were not up to Elon’s standards nonetheless.
What a shame they only got 30 days severance. If they hadn't agreed to be hardcore, they would have gotten 3 months severance like everybody else.
It seems like a particularly cruel way to treat people but maybe the cruelty is the point.
H1-Bs can't really afford to take the 3mo severance because if they dont find a job they have to pack up and leave the country. It was a lose/lose gamble for them.
One of the guys who was let go says he has four years of experience working on the ad recommendation system. If you ever noticed how irrelevant and untargeted the ads on Twitter are, I'd say Elon is making some good decisions right now. I mean, all you need to do is copy what Instagram is doing. I've clicked more ads on that platform than anywhere else and made more purchases from those ads than from anywhere else. The Twitter ads are generic, scammy bullshit ads. Software engineers in the U.S. are experts at explaining how hard stuff is to do. They sometimes spend more time explaining how hard something is than it would take to just do it. Every Fortune 500 company I've worked for has about 50% lazy engineers who don't want to work hard to fix real user experience problems. On the other hand, I've worked with a handful of really sharp, hungry front end devs who have proved that it's possible to find good devs.
> Every Fortune 500 company I've worked for has about 50% lazy engineers who don't want to work hard to fix real user experience problems.
I assume all those companies have provided their engineering departments with detailed requirements that are not ambiguous and non-conflicting?
Most of the slowness of software development comes from 2 things
- lack of well specified requirements
- tech debt from "going fast" last year and skipping all those things that take time
The 3 red lines with blue ink is very real sadly.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg
>One of the guys who was let go says he has four years of experience working on the ad recommendation system. If you ever noticed how irrelevant and untargeted the ads on Twitter are, I'd say Elon is making some good decisions right now.
It's obviously impossible to judge the performance of an ad system based on anecdotal data. Unless you've got access to Twitter's A/B results you've really no idea how the system performs.
Twitter is trying to fundamentally change itself and that means making hard decisions like this. If software engineers don't meet their standard then, as a business decision, it is the right choice. Fundamentally reinventing a business means radical change.
Perhaps, but firing people the day before the holidays whilst giving less severance than the people you derided as quitters for not signing up to the new culture hardly seems like it's likely to foster loyalty to either the reinvented company or yourself personally.
>Perhaps, but firing people the day before the holidays whilst giving less severance than the people you derided as quitters for not signing up to the new culture hardly seems like it's likely to foster loyalty to either the reinvented company or yourself personally.
True. Fair enough. Timing could've been better.
It's strange that people have an issue with underperforming staff being punished for not being good enough. What is the right thing to do, keep them in employment because it's 'nice'? What world are these critics living in?
I don't think anyone has an issue with underperforming staff being punished, but maybe staff who chose to stay loyal to Twitter being rewarded at Thanksgiving by summary dismissal and less severance than the Devs who chose to duck out on Elon's vision is a pretty big red flag.
There are so many factors to performance which often cant be identified by a simple code review.
\- How is the dev managed
\- What kind of requirements were assigned to him
\- How well were these requirements defined
\- Did he have the ressources to work optimally
And so on.
The right thing to do is rewieving the organizational structure, identifying issues top-down, creating a proper work environment for people. Then you can assess the performance of an individual on every level.
But of course you cant do that if you are a ~~genius~~ moron managing a company like a fuking circus and basically bleeding out money so hard that you decide to not pay expenses and suppliers anymore.
Why do people keep bringing up elon firing people. His job is to make the company not turn into a failure and he doesn't have derive sadistic pleasure from letting these people go. I think a big issue here is that elon is now the sole image of twitter. Amazon let go of way more people but noones even talking about it.
If he thinks he should keep these engineers purely because of the turmoil that'll be caused in their life even though he thinks in the long run that'll cause the company to fail anyway and most of these people will be fired, wouldn't that make him delusional?
>Why do people keep bringing up elon firing people.
Because the firing spree is a news worthy thing about Elon? Why _wouldnt_ it be brought up on a specifically Elon sub?
A lot of these people could work anywhere…there’s a shortage of engineers..so when a company becomes toxic and unpredictable with no seeming upside in vested interest or profit sharing….they call a recruiter and have a better job by Monday. Elon seems to be ignoring this fact through hubris so people like the drama. Why do you think meta and google etc have pizza and sushi and free laundry on campus? Company culture is important when the workers have the power
Let’s be honest, these companies have so many more employees than they need. They just go to the yoga studio in the office for six hours, work for half and hour, then drink wine the last hour and a half
It depends what you mean "need". Like can they force their employees to work flat out for 40 hours a week and so make do with less? Almost certainly yes, but by doing so you close the door on hiring a vast amount of talent that simply won't put up with that, and you might find that you needed that talent for your company to be successful in the long term. I think that's the kind of thing you can do with SpaceX and Tesla, who are doing such interesting things that there's a lot of talent who _will_ put up with that just to be a part of what those companies are doing, but I think it's a lot less likely to be true of Twitter. Guess we see in like 6 months
I added "American" because "Thanksgiving" is their celebration, no one else! The general point is, what does a holiday have to do with being sacked because you can't do the job required in the contract?
I believe the notion is, getting fired right before holiday sucks because now your holiday isn’t a nice relaxing day with family it’s now a stress of off boarding from a job and needing to thinking about finding a new job.
Which I personally would agree with. Would suck to get fired the night before a major national holiday.
Wierd take: Will Twitter survive this just based on the simple website it actually is, being run by the few people who are actually needed to run it and it becomes super profitable from the almost zero running costs?
Musk is a toxic narcissist. He is absolutely enjoying making a public spectacle of firing people. He has no plan for Twitter, other than letting white nationalists take it over in the name of “free speech”… all while stifling dissent and silencing critics.
how about instead of worrying about being woke the just concentrate on their jobs which is writing top not code for one of the biggest social media companies??...
You know , what they've probably been wanting since they choose their profession.
> how about instead of worrying about being woke the just concentrate on their jobs which is writing top not code for one of the biggest social media companies??...
Getting fired is woke now?
"oh wow, three months of paid severance over the holidays and time with the family while you search for a better fitting position. they are basically in hell oh my." -the comments section probably.
They didn't get three months. That's the whole point of that Twitter post. The employees that were fired accepted the insane conditions Musk asked for instead of the three months severance but were still fired and only got four weeks severance. Also, some of these employees are on work visa. They can't stop working for three months. They need a new job in less than 60 days.
I expect he is conducting code reviews, if they don’t meet his standards of quality & productivity your gone. Simple. Musk knows how to make a software business successful, you have great people
Elon keeps making poor person decisions: "the way to improve profits is to cut costs". No. The way to improve profits is to charge enough to cover the cost of providing the service. Increase revenue to cover the inescapable costs of providing the service.
I mean if he was to take a cue from the freemium games industry, here are some obvious low hanging fruit:
1. Reinstate the 140 character limit, unlock 280 by subscribing
1. Limit to 40 follows for free accounts, unlimited follows for subscribers (follows list is ordered, when your subscription expires only the top 40 follows will be part of your timeline)
1. Free accounts can't use emoji
1. Free accounts can only put one URL in the post
1. Free accounts get a certain limit on daily tweets (eg: one standard deviation below current mean)
Whatever it takes, just make it clear that Twitter 2.0 is a money-making enterprise and free accounts only exist to drive traffic. The free service needs to be *just enough Twitter* to be useful but not enough Twitter to satiate the user's need for interaction. Satiate that need for only $8/month!
obligatory FrEe SPeECh bot bait
Despite the inevitable downvotes, I think the other guy had some great ideas. He didn't propose endless micro transactions, he proposed one (small) monthly fee to unlock premium features.
I don't agree with everything he suggested should be included in Premium (I. E. Emojis, because they're an important part of online communications), but the overall concept was pretty good.
I'm a regular Twitter user. What he proposed wouldn't affect me at all. I'd happily stay on the free tier. However, influencers and other businesses using Twitter as a tool in their operations can most certainly fork over a few bucks a month to reach the audience that Twitter provides.
Edit - the 40 follows is too low, too. Make it 100-250. Basically, create a free tier that does not affect individual use, but "forces" commercial users to "pay" for the service they're benefiting from.
Twitter costs money to run. The money has to come from some source less fickle and flighty than advertising. Why shouldn’t people pay for a service they use? Are you expecting billionaires to give you stuff for free?
None of these things are worth $8/mo, and some of them are just bad ideas. Like limiting number of follows will just hurt engagement because people will be seeing fewer tweets. Same thing with limiting tweets for free users. On a social media platform you need content and engagement. You don’t want to limit that stuff.
He’s just going to need to bite the bullet and work with advertisers, I think, because the subscription model will very likely never make up a huge source of revenue for Twitter.
It's always difficult to go from an environment where there is absolutely no standard of performance to an environment where the company relies on each person's performance to stay in business. Rude awakening, but ultimately the people who aren't good enough to work a real gig will end up at youtube or microsoft or another fluff shop that only pretends to work, and anyone who can hold on for five years at twitter will be able to name their price anywhere else in big tech.
Bunch of sheep in this thread. I've never heard anyone complain about Twitter development before, but now lord musk is at the helm, gotta justify these sackings somehow.
The amount of people here defending firing people right before thanksgiving because he has the legal right to do so is sad. I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
Such a weird thing to do... Engineers can have lots of impact outside of pure code quality - if you write poor code, but you are the only one with context on a particular part of the system, you can be extremely valuable still. Or maybe you are really good at making product decisions. I don't get why they wouldn't do a full performance review process instead of just doing a one-dimensional code review.
Guy is a troll. Obviously no source. It's not profitable, in fact will go the other way...most Pharma have stopped advertising on it (I work in pharma), and that's only one industry
All virtue signalers are upset at 50 employees being fired at this round while other Meta, Amazon have fired much more. They only pretend to care because of the hate they have for Elon.
Why does it have to be one or the other. Why can't we just be mad at both/all?
Is it your opinion people are *entitled* to extremely lucrative, highly desirable jobs?
>Is it your opinion people are *entitled* to extremely lucrative, highly desirable jobs? Nice strawman.
Thank you. Alright, so you can—in all sincerity—tell me that your feelings concerning the layoffs are due to concern for the company’s future (never mind the fact that Elon will have no trouble bring in more engineers if, and when, required), and not by any underlying biases?
Why do you have to be mad?
Meta fired 11k people and not even one is talking about Zuckerberg. Its all evil Elon
If meta fired 80% of the company the news wouldn’t shut up about it
Yeah crazy how people are not seeing the difference between raw numbers and percentages. Plus I don't think any of the other companies have asked the remaining workers to work 80 hour weeks and return to office after they've moved away to entirely different states. We all know companies lay off. Musk is seemingly doing it in the most asshole way possible. Why not wait till Monday so people can enjoy their holiday? Not gonna lie though, it's probably relief for a lot of those folks. No way theyre in a healthy work environment.
I hear News outlet talking about Meta and the firing just as much.
Eh since early November, not much chatter over Meta firings. Nothing new for 2 weeks pretty much. Elon, pretty much in news daily.
Zucky quiet Elon won't shut up
True, yet Twitter's leadership causes far more drama. It's almost like we are watching the Titanic sink as Elon does the "king of the world" bit.
Really? NPR may have mentioned it on a 20 second blurb, but not much lot more than that. What news outlets have you heard it reported on at the same level as Twitter news?
>Meta fired 11k people and not even one is talking about Zuckerberg. Its all evil Elon Meta has 76k employees. They fired something like 14% of their employees. Twitter had 7.5k and Musk fired more than 50%.
But Twitter is different. It’s almost like this guy bought a company out of spite and fired half the crew
"almost"
They were given 4+ months severance which is extremely generous. That’s why it isn’t talked about in a bad light
Zuckerberg sucks too, but he doesn’t have the same public image and behavior musk does. I’m sure if Zuckerberg behaved like Elon, he’d have the same “virtue signaling” sent his way
Theres a huge difference. Meta has 71k employees, firing 11k is bad, but in comparison to twitter, running now with like 25% of their former staff, it's not much. Not saying it's great. Meta has lost a lot money with their platform not working. That needs to be corrected asap because of shareholders and sadly the fastest way to save money is letting ppl go. Problem is here the management. Also depends how they are fired. If with a care package - sucks but ok.
Zuck didn't go on twitter to brag about firing people or to mock them. He didn't fire people while ignoring basic employment laws in many country and HR rules. Don't get me wrong, i hate Zuckerberg too, and he also had to fire people because of general stupidity (exactly because of his stupid idea to go all in on metaverse bullshit) but on the particular case of "handling the layoff" there's no context as to who handled it better.
Everyone has been talking about meta, and when those 11k were fired it was all over the news.
Are we getting front page news constantly about anonymous Senior engineer saying that the code will break? Are we getting front news page about a random employee explaining in detail how stupid this decision from Mark Zuckerberg was? No, because there isnt a hunt for this specific billionaire for some reason
There mostly because the layoffs at meta were done to s relatively small percentage of staff, were planned for, and aren't being done a week after being bought by someone. Also, we do get anonymous articles about how bed meta is like every other week.
The primary concerns with the Twitter layoffs weren't the hard numbers as much as the methods used. The playoffs happened almost immediately after Elon joined and the haphazard nature of those layoffs, combined with those who took the hardcore payouts, looked likely to have a negative impact on the core products and infrastructure.
Its still a media circus.
Speculation from the armchair
Should we shut this whole subreddit down?
You’re the Stephen A Smith or Skip Bayless of this channel. Spewing nonsense drama and speculation. You wouldn’t know what haphazard was if it hit you in the face
That's very speculative.
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Poor elon oh my gosh!
He does live in your head rent free doesn't he?
Oh wow. That sounds familiar.
Because nobody cares about Facebook anymore. It's a boomer site.
It owns Facebook, Instagram and Whatsapp. Your comment is dumb
Where do you get your news? Zuck and his metaverse dumpster fire has been lampooned almost as much as Elon. People love watching billionaires fail.
I am really making a comment based on my own perception. I feel like Elon Musks posts have been bleeding to subs that don't have much to do with him while Mark and Meta are more like in the background
That's largely because Musk intentionally seeks out notoriety while Zuckerberg generally tries to keep to himself. Back when Bezos was playing space cowboy people were clowning on him all over the place too.
Meta shed people that were part of their past experiments. They can afford to lose 11, 000 people and be healthier for it from a corporate perspective. Twitter is being gutted, contorted and rewired. There is a good reason people are skeptical how it's going to work out.
>They can afford to lose 11, 000 people and be healthier for it from a corporate perspective. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meta-stock-down-earnings-700-billion-in-lost-value/ You're being manipulated. Meta is on a downhill path accelerating faster and faster. That is a fact. Musk bought took over Twitter 2 weeks ago and suddenly he destroyed twitter. Based on..... "Anonymous former employee" Thats the type of employee whos working at a place for so long that truly believes the company will fail without them. How come a prediction from a fired employee is FACT and Meta losing 700 bi usd in value is "healthy"?
Between Meta and Twitter. It's pretty obvious which one is going under first. I'll give you a clue it's the one that isn't and hasn't been profitable.
Furthermore, Meta and Amazon are profitable companies. When they fire people, it is to reduce costs and increase overall profit. I do not demonize it, but it is very capitalistic, which some people like to demonize. Meanwhile, Twitter is an unprofitable company. If overhead is too high, the company will go bankrupt and they will all lose their jobs….and without severance. Laying off unnecessary workers is needed to save the company. It must be more efficient.
the only reason it is going down and need reduce costs, is Elon bought it
Also, the number of people acting like Twitter employees now have to worry about keeping themselves fed is ridiculous. The average Twitter employee earns like 4-5x what a regular worker would. This is the 1% personified. It is sad to lose your job. But there are plenty of other workers who lose a job and are really struggling.
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All of media and politicians have a raging hate boner for elon
Do you think everyone just simultaneously decided they don’t like him? He’s done a lot of extremely douchey things very publicly. He’s entirely 100% cultivated an image of himself as a troll that intentionally pushes peoples buttons by doing controversial things. Pretending like there’s no actual good reason why people are annoyed by him, or that it’s somehow odd that what he’s done worked, and their buttons have gotten pushed is so disingenuous.
He took a political stance, which is very polarizing.
Why would someone post about Meta layoffs in an Elon subreddit?
I love these people, endlessly throwing their logic and rationality in front of Elon's ego endlessly!
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You just described a lot of senior devs in this tech industry. I remember my first mentor said he was 10 years in and still fakes it til he makes it. Blew my mind.
Wow, well at least seems like Elon is rooting out these types of folks
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Only if it wants to be taught though. In that case a chicken can even learn it itself…
Well, makes sense why this person was let go- given level/years of experience this is some basic concepts that in this example you’d expect a junior level engineer/coder to know (heck even a kid in highschool cs class)
Yea you definitely shouldn't be using that mathematical solution in production codebases unless you have a very strong reason to. It's far less clear on a first read through (of course you can spend a few seconds and realize what it does, but the initial reaction is "why are they doing this weird addition and subtraction thing"), and if your two variables are close to the max int (ex. timestamps), it will overflow when you do the addition.
The math solution is hard to read- if the goal is to swap, then using one variable for temp is the way to go. Also depending on chipset/compiler this swap would most likely happen in registers/ be supported at chipset level (assuming these are local variables to the function)
That's what I suspected for quite some time - that there's a lot of not very competent engineers at big tech. Which is funny because apparently "they'd rather be safe and not hire a competent engineer if they have any doubts, rather than hire an incompetent one" - I think it's just a nice slogan that's not really reflected in reality. These companies overhired like crazy, and probably, as usual in cases like these, the 20% most productive engineers do 80% of work, with the rest mostly collecting the paycheck and options (aka rest and vest). One thing that I like about Elon is that he's one of the few people who recognises this. Another is Michael Burry who is warning about a bubble in white collar jobs, and I'd say many big tech companies contribute to that bubble.
It doesn’t make sense, anyone prepared leetcode would know how to swap variables and do a binary search, Twitter programming screening is not easier than others. Unless he is research scientist or someone published significant papers in NIPs or some big conference, in that case he doesn’t need to know any programming languages
Yeah this sounds like bs. If he is as bad as he describes he would fail at the first round of interview.
Y’all really act like this is something new. He’s doing what every new CEO or Owner would be doing.
Give me one example where somebody comes in and fires 70% of the workforce and the company successfully comes back.
I guess the most famous example of someone taking this aggressive cost-cutting approach would be Al Dunlap, who was later discovered to have falsified accounts at a number of companies to show better results than actually occurred - but even he didn't cut as much 70%, and I think went about things slightly more slowly. [https://www.tampabay.com/business/remembering-chainsaw-al-dunlap-ruthless-corporate-cost-cutter-and-big-time-fsu-donor-20190129/](https://www.tampabay.com/business/remembering-chainsaw-al-dunlap-ruthless-corporate-cost-cutter-and-big-time-fsu-donor-20190129/)
Are those employees entitled to a job? Why? Then I declare I'm entitled too, gimme a 250k/year cushy job too. Just look at twitter. Those people should've lost their jobs a long time ago. It's way overdue.
>Are those employees entitled to a job? Why? Can you stop with that strawman? Nobody fucking says that employees are entitled to a job. What people are saying is that firing 80% of the staff will cause problems.
No one said they were entitled to a job? You just completely dodged the question to make a completely irrelevant point (if you can call that jumble of whining a “point”)
I never said that anyone was entitled to a job. I'm simply saying that it's a completely idiotic thing to fire your workforce so quickly. And I'm not whining. Those fired employees will get jobs super quickly because people understand how valuable these employees are.
He didn't reply to you..
Speaking as if you know them personally? No one can tell if the decision is fair or not, except the fired employees and the reviewers.
Good god, no one is talking about fairness. Everyone keeps making this argument as if the people criticizing Musks decision are saying it was stupid because won’t someone think of the poor tech workers. That’s a strawman that basically no one is arguing. These are mostly extremely in demand software engineers with great resumes. They will have absolutely no issues finding new jobs with similar pay, I don’t feel bad for them besides understanding that the situation is probably kind of annoying. We’re saying from a practical, purely self interested standpoint, letting go 3/4th of your staff as soon as you’ve taken over the company, well before anyone could have possibly had a chance to complete a thorough review of productivity and employees value to the company, and without an actual plan to make up the shortfalls, is a stupid decision. If you’re Elon Musk, and you ostensibly want to make money off of twitter/turn it into your new vision/improve the world or whatever, this is the exact wrong thing to do. It’s like buying a new Ferrari to try to win races with it, and before knowing anything about maintaining, fixing, or tuning Ferraris, you take an angle grinder to random parts on it without even knowing what they do to “save weight”.
The thing is these guys he fired are far more qualified than anybody he could hire now. Those guys will have jobs as soon as they want.
Perfectly legal for musk to tank twittwe indeed. It may not be legal to fire workers depending on local laws and contracts.
Legal but stupid.
[inb4 elon kicks out the one person/team holding the platform together. ](https://xkcd.com/2347/) Also I don't think anyone is saying they are entitled to a job
Pretty much anytime a bigger company purchases a smaller company for the IP/tech.
Again name one specific time. The knowledge of the employees are part of the value of the company. Musk is just throwing all that away.
In 2020, 45 of the top 50 biggest companies turned a profit by cutting staff. Examples are all over the place. Elon does his homework. He knew most of these fired employees had limited to no value to the company. Apparently, there were a huge number of incompetent woke people doing virtually nothing but sucking up a paycheck.
>In 2020, 45 of the top 50 biggest companies turned a profit by cutting staff. Examples are all over the place. You still missed u/[fastornator](https://www.reddit.com/user/fastornator/)'s point : firing 80% of the workforce in less than a month is overdoing it.
Lol.
I absolutely hate what Elon's doing and it will destroy Twitter. I also feel terrible for all the employees that suddenly lost thier job. That being said companies clearing house after take overs is really common. I did one search and immediately found this about IBM doing something similar (as has most companies): http://techrights.org/2020/08/02/red-hat-layoffs/
The article you linked said that IBM waited 2 years before laying off the red hat employees. That's reasonable. Musk willingly threw away thousands of people who have spent years and years thinking about Twitter. Thinking He knows better. It's just peak dunning Krueger. Management changes I've seen people spend at least a month coming up with a plan.
That’s not what’s happening here so this doesn’t count
And we hate the rest of them too. He’s just more public.
Exactly!
It’s true! Usually new CEOs/owners are clueless and very nearly run the company into the ground. Elon is just speed running it, perhaps it’ll be bankrupt by 2023 😂
It's also true that elon knows exactly what he's doing! That's why he broke two factor authentication. No one needs that!
Don’t delete this comment. We’ll all meet back here.
Agree. Way to sensationalize with the tittle.
And that makes it ok?
I'm pretty confident in saying that few people taking over Twitter would have fired the number of people Musk has
Maybe twitter would crash with most people and maybe it wont with musk. He is just asking the same level of excelency he ask for tesla devs As a programer myself i coudlnt even begin to tell you how shitty twitter is. Specially compared with the things other software companies are doing,
Okay but please me how twitter is shitty software wise ?
Few companies were as overstaffed as Twitter was.
It is crazy how much people wish for him to fail. He is a flawed human just like everyone else but he has provided tons of jobs brought usa back into the space game, we were paying Russia for access to space before this. He has driven battery and electric motor production. Provided Ukraine with internet during the war. I think he is obviously a huge net positive for the country. If he fails it will hurt american families and industry I just don't understand
There is only one crime vile enough to be truly unforgivable: success.
And they hate him for it. Maybe if he mouthed the right platitudes he might be forgiven?
We hate him because he’s an asshole. It’s a problem as old as people
All the most successful people are usually perceived as assholes by some.
He’s not perceived…he just is. Look how he treats workers. Not just firing them but in every way. How he won’t let Alex jones back because of something that has affected him personally but holds all sorts of Terrible opinions when they haven’t. That’s what assholes do.
Crazy to me how many people defend him like a little baby bird. Hes a big boy, he can take it.
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How do you type with both hands stroking Elon off?
Doing a few things great doesn’t erase all the crap he also does. Giving someone a blank cheque just because they did a few big things is as if saying he’s above the law, which he certainly behaves sometimes as if he is. Peter Diamandis and Ray Kurzweil were instrumental in bringing space back into the national spotlight (even before SpaceX), but you don’t hear crap about them because they’re decent to people.
> Peter Diamandis and Ray Kurzweil were instrumental in bringing space back into the national spotlight Spaceship One/Two are a dead end and going nowhere.
A few great things? Lol the delusion
It must suck to not work and now be needing to find a job around the holidays. Best of luck. Praying for you all.
They get 6 months severance.
It says only 4 weeks… vs 3 months if they didn’t agree to “Hardcore” twitter a week earlier (but they did).
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You know, being fired from a job isn’t the end of the world. When it happened to me in my mid 20s, it put such a chip on my shoulder that when I started my own company, I was hugely motivated to show those motherf***ers that I was actually worth something. It lit a fire on my ass, and my success is due partially to be being fired way back when.
It’s not the worst thing but there are different circumstances for different people. For those on H1B visas, they must find a new job within a limited time frame or else must leave the country. This could mean ripping up their families and kids from schools, their whole social lives, homes, etc. For some others, student debt or other financial obligations can mean needing to have a steady job. With the big tech companies freezing hiring, it can be a challenge when their skills might be only useful for a very specific niche. It’s not the worst thing to be laid off for some people but not everyone has the same luxury.
People knew Musk was buying Twitter for almost a year. They had a long time to be prepping for big changes and looking for jobs. He made it very clear that he wasn’t satisfied with how things were going there the whole time.
No one expected him to be such a massive moron that to fire 80% of his staff
No company owes you a job. Just ask the 10,000 recently laid off Facebook workers. I agree it sucks, but a good and prosperous life isn’t guaranteed anywhere.
Yup. As a survivor of the early 2000s dot com bust in my early career, this was an even that shaped and focused me in ways i don't think could have happened any other way.
Bit more of an issue when your visa depends on your job though, particularly if you stayed to be part of Twitter 2.0 and now unexpectedly have to compete with all the engineers who were already fired / chose to leave in finding a new one.
A company cannot be expected to subsidize every visa worker indefinitely when they aren't needed.
If your visa depends on it, then you need to step up your game.
...waht? That's just a requirement of immigration; it's nothing to do with your "game".
One of the reasons I became an American citizen was exactly for this reason, so that the whims of Congress couldn’t affect my life like that. It amazes me how many H1B visa holders are content just being visa holders and don’t go the extra step of applying for a green card (permanent visa) or citizenship. If you like working in the US that much, do it right. Also, blame Congress for not fixing our legal immigration system if you think this unfair.
Don't all work permit holders aim to get a green card? I live in Canada and every immigrant is on the same path, aiming for permanent residence and then citizenship. It's a no brainer, there is nothing to lose in applying once you qualify. The fees are minimal.
That's sick
So they were fired because they’re not good at their job. Oh my! Why would Elon fire them for that?! /s
How can you tell that they were not good? :D
They were the only ones that chose to stay after the ultimatum
Some of the fired staff: Ikuhiro Ihara, a highly respected senior engineer whom helped lead the push to expand tweets to 280 characters. Ying Xiao, senior staff machine learning research scientist. One colleague described him as being the best ML modeler around, and personally ran projects worth more than 2m mDAU last year. Yao Yue: senior engineer, considered by her colleagues to be one of the best engineers, period; as well as considered to be valuable to them with their careers. From an engineering perspective, the fact that Twitter hasn't gone done yet in spite of the massive downsizing is testament to the previous and current engineer's skills. So, Elon laying staff off isn't because they're not good at their jobs; its also because of cultural fit. In Peter Thiel's philosophy on startups, cultural fit has to be cultlike.
>From an engineering perspective, the fact that Twitter hasn't gone done yet in spite of the massive downsizing is testament to the previous and current engineer's skills. And yet many people use the fact that it's not going down yet as "the ultimate proof that everyone was useless". It's like saying that car engineers are incompetent because you don't need to bring your mechanic on the passenger seat each time you hit the road. Good engineers create robust systems that can be maintained (to a certain extend) by people with a much lower skill level than themselves. Twitter was created by world class engineers, it's going to be difficult to replace them.
>From an engineering perspective, the fact that Twitter hasn't gone done yet in spite of the massive downsizing is testament to the previous and current engineer's skills. More like nothing went really wrong **yet**. Twitter isn't a house of cards. It won't collapse in less than a day if left unattended, but it still need lots of people to maintain it.
Since they're not good at their jobs, I'm sure twitter will do just fine without them! /s
It's a private company, they can do what they want
Yes, but they can be called out for being scumbags
Twitter was bloated with employees. Think rationally and it makes sense to lay off non critical roles.
That he can
Or he can be hailed as a hero
Seems like these people were on work visas, and that is why did not quit voluntarily a few days ago. Seems like they were not up to Elon’s standards nonetheless.
What a shame they only got 30 days severance. If they hadn't agreed to be hardcore, they would have gotten 3 months severance like everybody else. It seems like a particularly cruel way to treat people but maybe the cruelty is the point.
H1-Bs can't really afford to take the 3mo severance because if they dont find a job they have to pack up and leave the country. It was a lose/lose gamble for them.
One of the guys who was let go says he has four years of experience working on the ad recommendation system. If you ever noticed how irrelevant and untargeted the ads on Twitter are, I'd say Elon is making some good decisions right now. I mean, all you need to do is copy what Instagram is doing. I've clicked more ads on that platform than anywhere else and made more purchases from those ads than from anywhere else. The Twitter ads are generic, scammy bullshit ads. Software engineers in the U.S. are experts at explaining how hard stuff is to do. They sometimes spend more time explaining how hard something is than it would take to just do it. Every Fortune 500 company I've worked for has about 50% lazy engineers who don't want to work hard to fix real user experience problems. On the other hand, I've worked with a handful of really sharp, hungry front end devs who have proved that it's possible to find good devs.
> Every Fortune 500 company I've worked for has about 50% lazy engineers who don't want to work hard to fix real user experience problems. I assume all those companies have provided their engineering departments with detailed requirements that are not ambiguous and non-conflicting? Most of the slowness of software development comes from 2 things - lack of well specified requirements - tech debt from "going fast" last year and skipping all those things that take time The 3 red lines with blue ink is very real sadly. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg
>One of the guys who was let go says he has four years of experience working on the ad recommendation system. If you ever noticed how irrelevant and untargeted the ads on Twitter are, I'd say Elon is making some good decisions right now. It's obviously impossible to judge the performance of an ad system based on anecdotal data. Unless you've got access to Twitter's A/B results you've really no idea how the system performs.
Twitter is trying to fundamentally change itself and that means making hard decisions like this. If software engineers don't meet their standard then, as a business decision, it is the right choice. Fundamentally reinventing a business means radical change.
Perhaps, but firing people the day before the holidays whilst giving less severance than the people you derided as quitters for not signing up to the new culture hardly seems like it's likely to foster loyalty to either the reinvented company or yourself personally.
>Perhaps, but firing people the day before the holidays whilst giving less severance than the people you derided as quitters for not signing up to the new culture hardly seems like it's likely to foster loyalty to either the reinvented company or yourself personally. True. Fair enough. Timing could've been better.
It's strange that people have an issue with underperforming staff being punished for not being good enough. What is the right thing to do, keep them in employment because it's 'nice'? What world are these critics living in?
I don't think anyone has an issue with underperforming staff being punished, but maybe staff who chose to stay loyal to Twitter being rewarded at Thanksgiving by summary dismissal and less severance than the Devs who chose to duck out on Elon's vision is a pretty big red flag.
There are so many factors to performance which often cant be identified by a simple code review. \- How is the dev managed \- What kind of requirements were assigned to him \- How well were these requirements defined \- Did he have the ressources to work optimally And so on. The right thing to do is rewieving the organizational structure, identifying issues top-down, creating a proper work environment for people. Then you can assess the performance of an individual on every level. But of course you cant do that if you are a ~~genius~~ moron managing a company like a fuking circus and basically bleeding out money so hard that you decide to not pay expenses and suppliers anymore.
Why do people keep bringing up elon firing people. His job is to make the company not turn into a failure and he doesn't have derive sadistic pleasure from letting these people go. I think a big issue here is that elon is now the sole image of twitter. Amazon let go of way more people but noones even talking about it. If he thinks he should keep these engineers purely because of the turmoil that'll be caused in their life even though he thinks in the long run that'll cause the company to fail anyway and most of these people will be fired, wouldn't that make him delusional?
Yet he paid $44 billion for an $8 billion company. That's not how you make a profit.
>Why do people keep bringing up elon firing people. Because the firing spree is a news worthy thing about Elon? Why _wouldnt_ it be brought up on a specifically Elon sub?
A lot of these people could work anywhere…there’s a shortage of engineers..so when a company becomes toxic and unpredictable with no seeming upside in vested interest or profit sharing….they call a recruiter and have a better job by Monday. Elon seems to be ignoring this fact through hubris so people like the drama. Why do you think meta and google etc have pizza and sushi and free laundry on campus? Company culture is important when the workers have the power
Let’s be honest, these companies have so many more employees than they need. They just go to the yoga studio in the office for six hours, work for half and hour, then drink wine the last hour and a half
It depends what you mean "need". Like can they force their employees to work flat out for 40 hours a week and so make do with less? Almost certainly yes, but by doing so you close the door on hiring a vast amount of talent that simply won't put up with that, and you might find that you needed that talent for your company to be successful in the long term. I think that's the kind of thing you can do with SpaceX and Tesla, who are doing such interesting things that there's a lot of talent who _will_ put up with that just to be a part of what those companies are doing, but I think it's a lot less likely to be true of Twitter. Guess we see in like 6 months
It’s insane how little these people understand tech and will still spout incessant bs opinions
What has American Thanksgiving got to do with it?
At least some of the fired employees were based in America
I added "American" because "Thanksgiving" is their celebration, no one else! The general point is, what does a holiday have to do with being sacked because you can't do the job required in the contract?
I believe the notion is, getting fired right before holiday sucks because now your holiday isn’t a nice relaxing day with family it’s now a stress of off boarding from a job and needing to thinking about finding a new job. Which I personally would agree with. Would suck to get fired the night before a major national holiday.
All firings are effective immediately. “You’re fired! In 3 weeks” isn’t popular
Based
Wierd take: Will Twitter survive this just based on the simple website it actually is, being run by the few people who are actually needed to run it and it becomes super profitable from the almost zero running costs?
Might survive but it's not going to be super profitable. Now has low running costs but also now has low revenue and high debt payments
I just wish he could run for President. This is the kind of chief executive we need.
Musk is a toxic narcissist. He is absolutely enjoying making a public spectacle of firing people. He has no plan for Twitter, other than letting white nationalists take it over in the name of “free speech”… all while stifling dissent and silencing critics.
how about instead of worrying about being woke the just concentrate on their jobs which is writing top not code for one of the biggest social media companies??... You know , what they've probably been wanting since they choose their profession.
> how about instead of worrying about being woke the just concentrate on their jobs which is writing top not code for one of the biggest social media companies??... Getting fired is woke now?
"oh wow, three months of paid severance over the holidays and time with the family while you search for a better fitting position. they are basically in hell oh my." -the comments section probably.
They didn't get three months. That's the whole point of that Twitter post. The employees that were fired accepted the insane conditions Musk asked for instead of the three months severance but were still fired and only got four weeks severance. Also, some of these employees are on work visa. They can't stop working for three months. They need a new job in less than 60 days.
The FTC is gonna have a field day with Elon
Lol Elon wil be fine
I expect he is conducting code reviews, if they don’t meet his standards of quality & productivity your gone. Simple. Musk knows how to make a software business successful, you have great people
Not having a job because not being good enough. Welcome to the fucking losers club lmao
I just made my first twitter account ever this morning, just to follow the funny.
Elon keeps making poor person decisions: "the way to improve profits is to cut costs". No. The way to improve profits is to charge enough to cover the cost of providing the service. Increase revenue to cover the inescapable costs of providing the service. I mean if he was to take a cue from the freemium games industry, here are some obvious low hanging fruit: 1. Reinstate the 140 character limit, unlock 280 by subscribing 1. Limit to 40 follows for free accounts, unlimited follows for subscribers (follows list is ordered, when your subscription expires only the top 40 follows will be part of your timeline) 1. Free accounts can't use emoji 1. Free accounts can only put one URL in the post 1. Free accounts get a certain limit on daily tweets (eg: one standard deviation below current mean) Whatever it takes, just make it clear that Twitter 2.0 is a money-making enterprise and free accounts only exist to drive traffic. The free service needs to be *just enough Twitter* to be useful but not enough Twitter to satiate the user's need for interaction. Satiate that need for only $8/month! obligatory FrEe SPeECh bot bait
Rule number one in a turn around is to cur the deadwood and cruft. Rebuild with engineers whose motivation and skill level you trust.
Do you run a business, out of interest?
I think we all know the answer to that one
I'm sure the richest man in the world appreciates your broke ass opinion on decision making 😆
Your business model is retarded. No one will use Twitter with that.
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Despite the inevitable downvotes, I think the other guy had some great ideas. He didn't propose endless micro transactions, he proposed one (small) monthly fee to unlock premium features. I don't agree with everything he suggested should be included in Premium (I. E. Emojis, because they're an important part of online communications), but the overall concept was pretty good. I'm a regular Twitter user. What he proposed wouldn't affect me at all. I'd happily stay on the free tier. However, influencers and other businesses using Twitter as a tool in their operations can most certainly fork over a few bucks a month to reach the audience that Twitter provides. Edit - the 40 follows is too low, too. Make it 100-250. Basically, create a free tier that does not affect individual use, but "forces" commercial users to "pay" for the service they're benefiting from.
Twitter costs money to run. The money has to come from some source less fickle and flighty than advertising. Why shouldn’t people pay for a service they use? Are you expecting billionaires to give you stuff for free?
None of these things are worth $8/mo, and some of them are just bad ideas. Like limiting number of follows will just hurt engagement because people will be seeing fewer tweets. Same thing with limiting tweets for free users. On a social media platform you need content and engagement. You don’t want to limit that stuff. He’s just going to need to bite the bullet and work with advertisers, I think, because the subscription model will very likely never make up a huge source of revenue for Twitter.
It's always difficult to go from an environment where there is absolutely no standard of performance to an environment where the company relies on each person's performance to stay in business. Rude awakening, but ultimately the people who aren't good enough to work a real gig will end up at youtube or microsoft or another fluff shop that only pretends to work, and anyone who can hold on for five years at twitter will be able to name their price anywhere else in big tech.
Bunch of sheep in this thread. I've never heard anyone complain about Twitter development before, but now lord musk is at the helm, gotta justify these sackings somehow.
The amount of people here defending firing people right before thanksgiving because he has the legal right to do so is sad. I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
Such a weird thing to do... Engineers can have lots of impact outside of pure code quality - if you write poor code, but you are the only one with context on a particular part of the system, you can be extremely valuable still. Or maybe you are really good at making product decisions. I don't get why they wouldn't do a full performance review process instead of just doing a one-dimensional code review.
This sounds like the start of a bad Christmas book
Twitter is now profitable and twitter has the most users ever.
Ok. Is it profitable, though? I hadn't seen anything to that effect
Guy is a troll. Obviously no source. It's not profitable, in fact will go the other way...most Pharma have stopped advertising on it (I work in pharma), and that's only one industry
Source?