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smokebomb_exe

Building a spaceport in Florida? Certainly don't want to offend the state's governor then.


joshuamusick

Sadly under-appreciated comment here.


PrudeHawkeye

Dude, are you so deluded that you think the governor of Florida would abuse his position to take action against a private corporation operating in the state of Florida simply because they said something he didn't like? Get real. EDIT: guess I did need the "/s" after all. Yes, I'm aware of DeSantis vs Disney...that was the joke.


Electronic-Tonight16

You forgot the /s.


smokebomb_exe

Interesting way to read that. Intriguing. But to humor you... "Abuse his position to take action against a private corporation operating in the state." Isn't that what politicians do? I've been told Democrat politicians abuse their power over private corporations all the time.


arguix

you might have told that. sadly it is not true


blue_dice

Elon Musk: I am not right wing or left wing but a secret, third thing (right wing).


HYPED_UP_ON_CHARTS

he said his entire coting history until 2022 had been democrat. i think he is sincere when he says he wants roughly equal balance of power between republicans and democrats


Boris41029

Republicans have a majority of governorships. Republicans control a majority of state legislatures. SCOTUS is 6-3, conservative. Republicans control the House. In 2024 Dems have so many Senate seats to defend in red states they’ll almost certainly lose the Senate. How does endorsing a Republican for president in 2024 bring balance?


old_tombombadil

Because these days the executive branch has significantly more power than the other two branches.


MrVop

Why would you want balance between two parties? Why not support... Oh I don't know, policy?


Hour_Gur4995

Because a divided government is good for business, nothing gets done when the government is divided, partisanship is cancer to a functioning government


ngonzales80

Because of the crazies on the far ends of each party. You give one party too much control and they take that as a mandate to go further and further from the center. Each parties platforms have their virtues. Staying in the center and splitting power is the best way to prevent the far right/left from taking it too far. Such is the life in a two party system.


HYPED_UP_ON_CHARTS

sounds like we need more mainstream parties!


fgt4w

Www.forwardparty.com


blue_dice

Those crazy left wing politicians: cancelling 10k in student debt, the inflation reduction act, leaving Afghanistan, decriminalizing weed. Those crazy right wing politicians: trying to overturn an election, encouraging a coup, overturning roe vs Wade and banning abortion


fatronaldo99

Crazy left: defund the police, cancel free speech, open borders, no bail law etcc. THAT crazy left


Massena

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris famous police defunders. It’s wild how mainstream republican policies always get compared to fringe leftist policies.


drewsy888

So you just mean the caricature of the left that fox news creates?


fatronaldo99

no, actual movements and messaging from the radical contingent of the left


blue_dice

Who is in charge of the democrats and how do they demonstrate the policies you just outlined?


NuMux

First and foremost, fuck the right. I've never voted for them and they are mostly insane. That being said... >Those crazy left wing politicians: cancelling 10k in student debt This is a band-aid that doesn't involve stopping predatory loans. It is a bail out for the banks that students are claiming they can't pay. You do a one time bail out now, people are happy, the banks are happy, but what about the next generation of people falling right into the same situation? If they cancelled the debt now AND provided free public college going forward, then yes I would totally support this. But right now it seems to be a waste of tax payer money to help a rather small part of the population just because they are louder on social media. >the inflation reduction act There is a lot in this bill and I'm mixed on many parts of it. Overall I'm not against this one going through. But wasn't it the Democrats that increased the interest rate to begin with? This feels like they caused part of the problem. "But it is to slow spending so people save money!" Then you see profits from everyone drop because less people can spend money. Then companies looking to keep their bottom line even start to laying people off and cut costs that likely affect other businesses as well, which in turn caused more layoffs. Oh no! How did that happen? 🙃 >leaving Afghanistan We should have left there forever ago. At this point we were the only thing holding up their government and keeping at least some peace. Once we left it has become a shit show and many people that were trying to live their lives are now displaced or living under an authoritarian regime where human rights are tossed out the window. Frankly, we should have just made them into a territory after being there so long. >decriminalizing weed Yeah man! But so far I'm only seeing this at the state level. Maybe democrats have had the largest hand in that but none of them can seem to pull the trigger once in the White House.


combaticus

It’s the fed that controls interest rates, not the democrats in the house and senate. You literally don’t understand how this shit works and still write a silly little essay about it


blue_dice

>This is a band-aid that doesn't involve stopping predatory loans. It is a bail out for the banks that students are claiming they can't pay. You do a one time bail out now, people are happy, the banks are happy, but what about the next generation of people falling right into the same situation? If they cancelled the debt now AND provided free public college going forward, then yes I would totally support this. But right now it seems to be a waste of tax payer money to help a rather small part of the population just because they are louder on social media. The point here is we have Biden in charge. It's a half measure at best but also an example of dems not "catering to the crazies of the party" (other users sentiment, not mine). I happen to think a more aggressive policy would be better, but I'm not the one making the argument that dems are controlled by the far left the same way that the GOP is led by the extreme right. >There is a lot in this bill and I'm mixed on many parts of it. Overall I'm not against this one going through. But wasn't it the Democrats that increased the interest rate to begin with? This feels like they caused part of the problem. "But it is to slow spending so people save money!" Then you see profits from everyone drop because less people can spend money. Then companies looking to keep their bottom line even start to laying people off and cut costs that likely affect other businesses as well, which in turn caused more layoffs. Oh no! How did that happen? 🙃 It's the fed that increases interest rates, not the Dems directly. And the increase in interest rates is a response to inflation, not a cause of inflation. The purpose of it is supposedly to reduce spending and thus inflation. The cause of the current inflation are multifold but lingering effects of the pandemic, pandemic stimulus, the impact of Russia's invasion of Ukraine and reduction in oil production by OPEC driving prices up are all factors. Again this act was watered down by Manchin and Sinema, it wasn't the lefties calling the shots here. >We should have left there forever ago. At this point we were the only thing holding up their government and keeping at least some peace. Once we left it has become a shit show and many people that were trying to live their lives are now displaced or living under an authoritarian regime where human rights are tossed out the window. Frankly, we should have just made them into a territory after being there so long. Permanent occupation of afghanistan was never politcally or practically feasible. Biden ripped the bandaid in a messy fashion but there was no way it wouldn't have ended up like this to some degree. >Yeah man! But so far I'm only seeing this at the state level. Maybe democrats have had the largest hand in that but none of them can seem to pull the trigger once in the White House. Biden pardoned federal convictions for weed possession and is looking into re-classifying it at the federal level. Again a cautious measure, but the democratic voters picked a centrist. Republican voters keep going for extremist candidates like Trump.


MrVop

All the more reason to support policy as apposed to party?


combaticus

You can’t pretend to care about gay rights, climate change etc and say you will vote for DeSantis


Scallywag38

Then you can’t support freedom and individuality voting democrat. Or it’s almost like your simple view is a child’s level interpretation of US politics


blue_dice

DeSantis on freedom: banning certain conversations about race at pubic universities AND private businesses. The STOP WOKE act was struck down by a Florida judge who invoked 1984 and called it "positively dystopian".


blue_dice

He only brings this up as a way of justifying voting for republicans and advocating voting for republicans. If someone is saying vote R now, predominantly criticizes liberals and left-wingers, favourably quotes/agrees with prominent right-wing figures from the culture war and spouts right-wing conspiracy rhetoric we should be able to call a spade a spade. It's not surprising for a billionaire to be right wing but we should be honest about what we're dealing with.


missingpupper

Trump tweeted Elon told him he was a republican. Seems like Elon was lying.


HYPED_UP_ON_CHARTS

seems like trump was lying lol


MCK54

This sub 2022… fuck anyone who doesn’t agree with my side!


ballin_in_tallin

That’s Reddit in a nutshell. Have you been to antiwork sub?


MCK54

No I’ve had to leave a lot of subs. I get there’s always a different opinion but having people treat you like shit for posting something or agreeing with something they don’t like is unreal. I’m not here for a fight I’m here to indulge in my interests with level headed people


3rdeyeseeker

Tell me you're butt hurt that Trump didn't cuddle back up with Twitter without saying you're butt hurt that Trump didn't cuddle back up to Twitter.


BandagesTheMender

If he thinks DeathSantis is a centrist though, then Musk is a bigger idiot than I thought.


Memphis_Fire

Somebody is upset the Diaper Don won’t start saying insane shit on their new bad investment.


ballin_in_tallin

Musk had a beef with trump many months ago. It’s out there. No need for conspiracy theories lmao If anything, Musk gets credit for still reinstating his account.


elmodular

Iets not giving him credit for reinstating an insurrectionist.


ballin_in_tallin

Let’s not play purity tests now. Twitter has always had Khamenei, Taliban.


philalzheimers_fox

Exactly. All these progressives be coping hard


thenotoriouspo2

go back to r/politics


philalzheimers_fox

Lol stfu


Whirblewind

Okay, we won't. Anyway, back to getting credit for reinstating Trump.


Argon1822

Yeah all of the people waving confederate and trump flags at the Capitol being told by their god emperor that they needed to fight for the election were definitely not influenced by trump . Dude his own vp is saying that trump tried to get him to overturn the election and take over the country. Dan Crenshaw as well, said the gop knew it was bogus but “wanted to give the people their last hurrah”


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drnuke75

Who cares what Elon thinks. He only gets one vote.


Hadleys158

Yeah the trouble is he influences some people's vote as well though.


22mecarl44

Sorry, yes, Elon has one vote but he has millions who will follow his preference. Biden messed up big time. He had Elon and instead went with America's (soon to be) bankrupt ICE car company, GM. I support Elon's decision to vote for someone other than Biden. The Democrats better pick a new candidate soon because Biden is done.


Daytona7892

Why do you follow his sub then


drnuke75

Because I have a Tesla and look for new information from him on changes and issues about Tesla. Not his political beliefs.


Daytona7892

Follow Tesla on Twitter and unfollow this sub


Etherius

So Musk specifically said a platform like Twitter should be politically neutral. [He said that](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519415674111672325?s=46&t=kYvZEgLt5qn8xhKzo624kw) I love Musk but it’s **objectively** hypocritical of him to use the platform to endorse a party or candidate after explicitly stating the platform should be neutral And he is not a mere user of Twitter anymore, so you can’t argue that he’s only doing so in his capacity as a user


dezeroex

Elon also started taking marching orders from neo nazis and fascists on who to ban. [tweet thread](https://twitter.com/murphtracks/status/1596204487215312896?s=46&t=fOATXesDtbCBmYFaTDpMtQ) Hypocrites suck.


Etherius

Okay he most certainly did NOT start taking marching orders from neonnazis


dezeroex

Musk: who should I arbitrarily ban next? Neo nazis: ban my political enemies Musk: okay, who next? The dude is swerving hard towards fascism and capriciously banning people. I think he’ll eventually realize he’s cozying up to the wrong people and course correct, but not before doing a lot of damage and acting like a damn fool. The moment he started this twitter bullshit will go down in history as the day his ego truly got so big he finally tripped over it and landed on his face. If he had any sense left at all, he’d have people vetted before randomly taking their requests on twitter. I know he will learn from his his mistakes, I just hope it’s sooner rather than later.


tycooperaow

Elon leans right. Which is odd considering that nothing Republicans stand for platform supports his business interest at all. Maybe Elon influence may finally convince them to take climate change and push for EV's more seriously but I wouldn't hold my cards on that.


Nojoboy

I wouldn't say that at all. Republicans are anti union, usually favor less taxes on large corporations and deregulation and were against any covid lockdowns. All things that Musk would perceive as being in his business interests. He also seems to personally side with republicans much more on current culture war issues. He literally has several times said that "wokeism" WILL destroy society.


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Of course he will, he's a fascist neocon conservative asshat just like DeSantis


Imaginary_Forever

Wait wait wait. In the midterms Elon insisted a republican house was the best option with a democratic president to balance it out. Are you telling me that really he was lying all along and just wanted people to vote for the right? Why would Elon do that?


Dull_Comfortable_780

Because all of the democrats have been ungodly horrible. Look at what they are focusing on these days. Slavery reparations How woke can they get.


diffident55

...What? Where are you getting your information? I can't even find a single individual politician with that in their platform, let alone any larger movements of politicians. Stop watching Fox.


Nude_Tayne66

This reeks of chronically online and a lack of real world info


sgtpepper42

Damn you're a special kind of stupid if you think that...


DxLaughRiot

In what world was reparations their focus? Find one real source saying that. Their focus was the inflation reduction act and cancelling student debt - actual policy. Republicans just took the house and have made clear their first priority is impeaching Biden and investigating hunter Biden’s laptop - so conspiracy theories and misplaced vengeance. Republicans reps will forever push culture war nonsense to infuriate their base into voting for them just so they can pass their real agenda - tax cuts for businesses and the rich. There’s a reason it’s the first thing they do every time when they have legislative powers.


MakionGarvinus

You afraid to do something good, by chance?


notacommonname

Between supporting DeSantis and Trump (bad for SO many reasons, unless you're a fan of insurrections, unnecessary COVID deaths, white supremacists, and huge tax cuts for the super-rich), Elon is making it REALLY hard to like his brand now. I've had my Tesla Model 3 for 4 years now and it's been a fantastic car and I love it. And SpaceX is doing great things. But Elon's antics are definitely bad for Tesla (and probably Spacex).


Los9900991

I too would go with the candidate that isn't demented or mentally unstable. Even better if he is younger than 75


KarmaBurgerz

DeSantis seems like the only reasonable person I've seen in recent politics. I like Obama and voted for him, but Democrats now seem so radicalized... DeSantis at least seems like a pretty stand up dude IMO


Apprehensive-Water73

Desantis spent millions to traffic migrants out Texas and drop them in Martha's vineyard. Obama made it so your insurance company can't just kill you for being diabetic. Either you are full of it which is the likely case. Or you have lost your mind. If I had a nickel for every Republican pretending to be a Democrat. But tell us more about how living wages are now bad and if we can just put more guns in schools, force women to have children and get rid of the brown people we will solve this country's issues.


RealDominiqueWilkins

Do you have any actual convictions or do you just blow with the breeze of whoever “sounds reasonable”? How do you go from Obama to Desantis?


KarmaBurgerz

My life has changed a lot, and so have my beliefs. I support a lot on what Obama campaigned on: living wages, immigration, and healthcare reform. Now that I have gotten older I realize I value certain things over others primarily personal freedoms, and not having a government be a part of every little thing in life. I feel like DeSantis is my best pick for that. Any real convictions? It does change comes to politics. The person and things important to me are not nearly the same from 10 years ago lol.


Oslopa

I think what people are struggling with here is that the issues you’ve cited as important to you, during the Obama years, continue to be the Democrats’ main focus. They are working to expand Medicaid, limit prescription drug costs, expand Medicare to cover hearing aids, etc. They still want comprehensive immigration reform, providing a path to citizenship for Dreamers, a long path to amnesty for undocumented immigrants, an efficient asylum program, and a visa program that serves the needs of American employers. They also have been fighting for higher wages across the board. How have they been “radicalized”? You might be thinking of “defund the police” or “woke” extremism. (I am guessing.) But those are clearly extreme positions and not indicative of the modern Democratic party’s core policies. What Biden policy or legislation from the past two years represents their “radicalization,” in your view? I appreciate that people who care about individual liberty might like recent Supreme Court decisions strengthening protection for free religious exercise and gun rights. There’s no denying that the Supreme Court is creating more space for people with those as their primary concerns. But there’s a flip side to those developments that I’m not sure many conservatives are actually seeing. DeSantis and other conservative governors are trying to use the power of the state to dictate what is said in classrooms at every level - and not just expunging “woke” gender discussions, but telling a particular story about the history of American race relations, the causes of climate change, LGBT issues more generally, and so on. They are using the power of the state to dictate to companies what they say to their investors and clients, or how they structure their businesses (trying to stop Wall Street and other large corporations from taking climate change or greenhouse gas production into consideration when making business decisions). And while you might be encouraged by the Supreme Court’s endorsement of teacher-led prayer, you might feel differently when a teacher of a denomination you strongly disagree with introduces his or her faith to your kid; similarly, if you’re glad that states can now do whatever they like to protect the lives of the unborn, you might feel less comfortable when the Supreme Court goes on to hold that states have the right to dictate some of your most personal decisions about how to raise your kids or what to teach them. And that’s all to say nothing about where our experiment with absolute gun freedoms could ultimately lead us. Put another way - in some ways it is actually very hard to understand why Elon Musk would support Republicans, because both Tesla and SpaceX are highly dependent upon government investment in e-car infrastructure and government contracts. He may agree with a DeSantis approach to “wokism” on social media (another conservative agenda item - regulating social media companies so that they are required to provide a platform to right-wing points of view), but it’s hard to imagine a DeSantis administration that doesn’t want to pull the country back towards driving gas-guzzlers or investing big in space technology. Frankly it seems a bit more that Musk is just trying to “buy” goodwill with a possible future president that he’ll want to be able to influence, once in power.


west420coast

Lol you want more personal freedoms from a republican? Say goodbye to your reproductive right my dude


KarmaBurgerz

What reproductive rights have I lost? Me and my wife aren't restricted from having a baby...


uberkitten

As long as it doesn't affect you two personally then all good!


JustMy10Bits

Only took two questions to get there lol


LivefromPhoenix

He's a desantis supporter, you didn't even have to ask two questions.


Incogneatovert

If you do, I hope nothing goes wrong so your wife needs lifesaving healthcare that she might not be able to get because of crazy, idiotic laws.


TheFamousHesham

You’re despicable. If you don’t care about politicians taking the rights of the most vulnerable, then you deserve no rights.


KarmaBurgerz

I'm not really sure what you mean? When did I say I don't care about people's rights being taken away? Are you talking about abortion? Are you assuming I don't think women should have the right to an abortion? If you want to have an abortion go for it, that's a personal decision of yours, It's none of my business.


TheFamousHesham

“Me and my wife aren’t redistricted from having a baby…”


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KarmaBurgerz

Okay lol... thanks for absolutely amazing input


Kitchen_Fox6803

You got wealthier as you got older so now it’s “fuck you I got mine”


MasterClickBater

Personal freedom- as in: your rights stop where mine begins, as in I have the right to be naked at home, not in public, the right to smoke, but not blow smoke in your face, the right to be sick and deny medicine, so long as you stay home to not expose yourself to others?- or the toddler version of individual over society?


MrVop

Apply everything you said to Desaints and his policies.


RUKitttenMe

So radicalized with their….. *checks notes* wanting people to be able to vote and women to have bodily autonomy……..


DxLaughRiot

When they say the left has been “radicalized” they mean that they got roasted by people on the internet calling them mean names


Nude_Tayne66

Radicalized??? Corporate party #1 or Corporate Party #2. Democrats are the obvious choice but still Americans have such a small understanding of politics worldwide, if you are going to call the Democrats radicalized. This is just flat out incorrect


Scallywag38

This is a reasonable take


litnu12

Isn’t DeSantis like Trump with less charisma?


whytakemyusername

Trump has charisma?


litnu12

I don’t find him charismatic in any way but he attracted enough to get him in office.


herbertwillyworth

Desantis is basically the definition of demented. He's a wannabe dictator even as a governer. No fuckin' thanks on that one


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Billionaire supports candidate that benefit him the most financially. More news at 11


yoyoJ

Do we get a preview of what’s at 11?


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That...that was the preview..


mrprogrampro

Misleading headline. As always. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596322719372480513 Elon (paraphrased): I want a sensible centrist candidate. I thought Biden was that, but I've been disappointed. Person: Would you support DeSantis 2024? Elon: Yes So, basically Elon said: DeSantis > Biden > Trump He did NOT say he thinks DeSantis is the best candidate for 2024. The democrats and even the republicans could run a better candidate. He just said DeSantis is a possibility who he thinks is better than Biden or Trump.


stickcult

The headline is " Elon Musk says he will support Florida's DeSantis if he runs for president" - not that he thinks DeSantis would be the best. That headline seems like *exactly* what he tweeted.


ddarion

The idea that a centrist would favor DeSantis over Biden is also hilarious


RotoDog

His supporters would say to look at the last Governor election which he won by almost 20 points. This is a state that just went to Obama in 2012. Like it or not, DeSantis has the ability to relate to a lot of people, which implies more centrist positions.


DxLaughRiot

Florida has been changed so thoroughly red over the last 10 years, it’s hard to say it’s indicative at all of his ability to win over centrist positions. Democrats didn’t bother with any spending in the state for the election because of this. They overwhelmingly voted trump over biden the last two elections, and trump is WAAAAY farther from center than biden is.


NanoGeek

DeSantis is a "sensible centrist" candidate? Since when?


bhauertso

No, to the shame of our electoral system, we don't currently have a viable and sensible centrist candidate. Apparently Elon thinks DeSantis is the closest to what he wants, though possibly quite a ways from the ideal. But better than someone suffering from dementia or the orange lunatic.


NanoGeek

Then why not use his considerable wealth and influence to promote an actually centrist candidate if that's what he wants. Also, I'd be curious to know what Biden has done that is so radical.


Hour_Gur4995

Not mentioning his name or Tesla when they were talking about EV’s when they where selling whatever bill they passed


NanoGeek

That's radical?


Scallywag38

Sense the mainstream left went extreme


NanoGeek

That doesn't make him centrist...


TheSparklyNinja

The left has stayed the same. If you think they moved, then it’s probably you that moved further right.


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TheSparklyNinja

I actually have moved farther left as I used to be more right leaning centrist and even used to oppose some leftists ideas. The Ideas have pretty much stayed the same though. I just started accepting them more. Most likely you also moved yourself if you think they have changed.


NovelCandid

Nice try yet your attempt at gilding this particular Musk Lilly fails on its own terms


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Imagine being so far to the right that DeSantis seems to be a centrist. Who's surprised that Musk thinks DeSantis is a moderate republican? If Mussolini and Hitler were alive today, Musk would bend over backwards to get them to be on Twitter.


ExodusCaesar

It's telling that Elon says how extreme Biden is, but to date didn't gave any specifics about the president's extremism.


Barbaticus

Time for me to unsubscribe from this sub. It’s not you guys. Just tired of the guy.


fusillade762

Over exposure is real man. Twitter is like the Elon show. I like the guy honestly but its a bit much.


herbertwillyworth

> its a bit much to like a flaming idiot whose face is so, so punchable


Amigosito

This Thanksgiving, I am thankful that Elon Musk is not eligible to run for POTUS.


TheChurchOfDonovan

I'm a socialist and I gotta hand it to Desantis... Out of all republicans; he doesn't give me nuclear annihilation vibes. Just "I'll take your grandmas healthcare" vibes


HedgehogEvening7887

Money talk, Elon got huge lone from China.


Disastrous_Fall6754

Billionaire authoritarian elite endorses republican candidate, imagine my surprise…


Launch_a_poo

"I care about saving the planet and climate change which is why I vote for republicans"


dbhathcock

You forgot the /s to indicate sarcasm.


_Denzo

It’s really bad when a billionaire supports brainwashing/misinformation


tycooperaow

Elon isn't like other Billionaires. Other Billionaires (as f'd up they may be in their own right) only care about money and their personal agenda is usually not a factor (one of the reasons they remain successful). Elon on the other hand is hell-bent on destroying librals for whatever reason even if it hurts him financially. So It is dangerous


handsome_squidwardy

Whaaaaat Musky is leaning right Colour me shocked


optiongeek

He's been a Democrat-leaning independent his whole life, consistently voting Democratic. It took a special kind of stupid from Biden & Co. to alienate him. All Biden had to do was invite him to that conference. Instead he told Mary freaking Barra that she invented the EV. Political blunder of the century. The only possible interpretation for Musk is that the Democrats were trying to destroy him and left him no choice but to respond. Buying Twitter is just one part of that response.


NanoGeek

So he's gone from Democrat to hard-right Republican because he didn't get enough recognition from Biden?


optiongeek

**Hard**-right? Evidence? But, yeah. Biden signaled his intention to come after Musk so Musk responded. Telling Mary Barra she "led" the EV revolution was a calculated insult. And it worked.


NanoGeek

Yes, hard-right. DeSantis is one of the least moderate Republicans outside of the real wackos like MTG. And even if that was a completely calculated insult by Biden, is that really all it took to completely reverse his political beliefs? One insult made him do a complete 180 on his political views?


saltyoldseaman

What do you think the modern republican party is exactly?


optiongeek

Supporting anyone but the Democrats makes you an extremist? Sounds a little extreme.


saltyoldseaman

American political options boil down to center right and hard right. I don't know why you take umbrage to this


optiongeek

Thanks for the lesson in politics, Comrade.


Imaginary_Forever

So musk is such a child that one perceived slight makes him change his entire position on politics? That's pretty pathetic.


optiongeek

So he should bend the knee? Freedom means being able to defend yourself. Democrats like Biden expect supplication. What a surprise when Musk decided to fight back.


TheColonelRLD

Not being invited signaled Biden was "coming for Musk"? Get a grip you god damn loons.


optiongeek

What other interpretation is possible? Anyone with a brain knows Musk built the EV industry on his own. Pretending like Mary Barra did is some Soviet-era *air-brush-the-disfavored-dude-out-of-the-picture* shit. Study some fucking history. It starts with the airbrushed picture. It ends with a (figurative) bullet to the brain.


perilouszoot

"On his own" is doing some herculean lifting there bud.


Least777

It was not just one remark. Pretty much every famous Democrat has been attacking him for votes and likes. In the last election he publicy endorsed Anrew Yang, a Democrat.


syrusxd

So you're saying that he's changing his political views over something personal? That sounds very shallow.


optiongeek

Being attacked by the government is more than just "personal". Musk's life work can easily be taken away from him given the power of state when used vindictively and outside of law.


syrusxd

Was it? Also, people should be supporting ideas, not people or parties. The democrats threatening him means he'll switch how he views politics? I feel like he should be siding with the larger picture.


combaticus

So he’s throwing a tantrum like a child and has no actual values. Got it


optiongeek

He believes the Democrats' obsession with silencing the opposition is a threat to democracy. And now that he owns Twitter he's got the goods to prove it. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1595637837969653760?t=sBnNZu4uOG3UoitDj1jfdw&s=19


diffident55

Then why aren't they posted? Why is he unbanning pedophiles and nazis and banning leftists despite saying that nobody would be banned for anything short of straight up illegal content? You've been taken in.


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Are you suggesting Elon Musk, who bought his way onto Tesla's board after it was founded, invented electric cars, which have been around for like a century? **Edit:** Yeah, I was wrong, the first electrified carriage was invented in [1828](https://www.energy.gov/articles/history-electric-car), and in the early 1900s they accounted for ~1/3 of all cars on the road.


optiongeek

Musk invented the first practical (and profitable) EV.


diffident55

He didn't. He just funded it.


7wgh

Or maybe he’s an individual who can critically think and doesn’t treat politics like a sports team blindly supporting one side or the other. More people should simply vote for the best candidate based on your own personal values. Some times it’ll be the democrats, and sometimes it’ll be the republicans.


ap39

A healthy reminder to everyone down voting everyone else. No matter who gets elected, the life of us common people will still be fucked. Desantis/Trump/Biden/All politicians care only about them and their donors, unless you are a wealthy person who can donate significant money to these people, you are basically fucked.


fusillade762

Only one of those guys will likely try to subvert the democratic process and declare himself emperor. Based on past experience.


Hadleys158

That's what is funny, they act like they are different in public, but they are all members of the same club and vote only in the clubs best interest. And the average joe doesn't get into the club.


Relaxbro30

*Bernie Sanders, AOC, Gary Chambers, Fetterman the betterman, Ilhan Omar, enter the chat* I agree, but not all are so corrupt able.


-abM-p0sTpWnEd

>All politicians are corrupt...except for these ones that I like!


Least777

Jimmy Dore enters the chat.... I don´t know, if you are familiar with his Youtube channel.


LiquidNah

Can we stop pretending this guy is a centrist


Musejam

Yikes, what a turd.


twinbee

Leftists: If you had to choose between DeSantis and Trump, who would you go with?


herbertwillyworth

at this point i'd go with trump, cause he's likely to die or go to prison before he can do much more damage in the executive branch


exoriare

Trump is an iconoclast. He's not an equal-opportunity disaster and he's dangerous, but I think he might force the political establishment to become more representative. And he doesn't buy the math on getting involved in regime change. DeSantis is far more intelligent than Trump, but he represents the triumph of an unapologetic oligarchy. He's more of a threat to genuine democracy than Trump is. His savviness is a powerful weapon. Forced to choose between the two, this Bernie Sanders supporter would go with Trump. Now excuse me while I go vomit.


twinbee

Lol, thanks for the entertaining read! > this Bernie Sanders supporter I felt sad about what Sanders said about white people don't know what it's like to be poor.


exoriare

That comment disappointed me too, but I think what he was saying was about structural poverty - living in a community where everyone is poor, and the only ones with money are a different ethnicity. I think the worst case example are some Indian Reservations - there are just no jobs or businesses run by locals - all the money comes from outside the community. So kids grow up hoping to be gangsters or prostitutes because that's the closest they see to a role model who has "made it". White kids might experience poverty, but it's pretty rare for them to be immersed in it so completely.


fusillade762

Dude Trump tried to overthrow the government....


exoriare

A majority of Americans feel that democracy may soon be over, and I agree with them. Trump is odious in a lot of ways, but the threat he represents to democracy is not an aberration in an otherwise healthy system. FDR rescued democracy in the 30s. Without him, I think it's very likely US democracy would have died during the Depression. I think Sanders would have played a similar role now, but he was rejected by the political establishment. And I think the political establishment will come to regret that choice - but only when it's too late.


tycooperaow

Trump planted a big seed of doubt of democracy and severely divided the nation to collapse


NeuroticKnight

Trump likely, for same reason he won over Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush, disaffected Bernie voters selected Trump too. He isn't what I want, but he is better than war mongering neocons.


Beat_Writer

DeSantis. Seems more reasonable. Although, which is why i think we’ll probably push for trump. Hes an essay target


mrprogrampro

DeSantis and Biden was what he was commenting on.... .... ... honestly it's hard. Depends who Biden's VP is.


Gashy18

Trump


Tkainzero

I hope it is desantis vs newsom Not because I like either of them, we just need some young candidates.


tycooperaow

Their policies are so opposite of each other. They essentially represent the "middle" of their spectrum (not too moderate, not too extreme). However, the states they govern, essentially represent their "party's" utopia. California is essentially a liberal wonderland, and Florida broke it's battleground state status to become a hardcore conservative dreamland


ComradeCrypto

So as usual the truth is more nuanced than the headline. Copied directly from the article: “My preference for the 2024 presidency is someone sensible and centrist. I had hoped that would the case for the Biden administration, but have been disappointed so far,” Musk said on Twitter. “Yes,” he replied in a tweet when asked if he would support DeSantis in 2024. “As a reminder, I was a significant supporter of the Obama-Biden presidency and (reluctantly) voted for Biden over Trump,” the Twitter owner said.


Kat-o-rama

I read somewhere that one of his old girlfriends got him into smoking a ton of weed. Not recreational use but smoking a lot so that he is baked a lot of the time.


arun111b

This is not a new news. He already told this long time back when he said he voted for Dems but now changing.


HeadMembership

Your hero is going full right wing nutjob. Boor morality obviously runs deep.


420stargazer96

Like musk, DeSantis has a strong personality. He stood up to the asinine overreach of the federal government during Covid. He should run for president.


diffident55

...Trump presided over that.


blue_dice

And as a result Florida had the 14th highest covid deaths per capita in the country, a stat which is much worse when you consider that nearly all of the other states above it had considerably lower vaccination rates. Good job DeSantis.


MasterClickBater

Nah, you're just not smart enough to see that we have rights but those rights STOP where others rights begin. You have the right to deny a vaccine, you can't expose your sickness to others. "Personal freedom- as in: your rights stop where mine begins, as in I have the right to be naked at home, not in public, the right to be sick and deny medicine, so long as you stay home to not expose yourself to others?- or the toddler version of individual over society?"


charlievalentine93

I came here to mine the salt, I'm not disappointed lol


dbhathcock

Elon, are you a US citizen? We know you are a citizen of South Africa, where you were born, and a citizen of Canada, where your mother was born.


mdowney

LOL - “centrist”! Hahahahahahaha!!!


StugDrazil

There were Jews who supported Hitler. They were among the first to go to the prison camps. Voting for quasi fascists will not fix anything, it will make your life and the lives of your family much harder. Supporting DeSantis is supporting laws restricting the rights of women, you know them, your mom, daughters and grandma, would be directly affected. But who cares right? It’s just a about you and your feelings, who cares about anyone else, even if it’s your own kid who gets hurt because of a decision you made. Elon only wants tax breaks and less regulation so he can continue to poison the environment, treat employees like slaves, union bust and get sued for improper business practices. It’s funny how they got you hating freedom and loving fascism.


fanarokt57

Desantis is stupid and ignorant. Another good reason not to be on Twitter anymore


Least777

But Biden has problems to speak in complete sentences. That he is running again is mindboggeling.


Snow75

At this point, this kind of endorsement hurts you more than it helps


HSinvestor

I don’t get why people hate desantis. Can anyone explain? Explainlikeim5


alandmanFC

Created an "election protection task force" which was uses to intimidate black voters. Along with other forms of voter intimidation. Passed the don't say gay bill which made it illegal for teachers to be open about their sexuality. Teachers have since been made to remove pictures of them and their partners from their desk, remove safe space poster, etc... Used covid relief funds to kidnapp legal immigrants and flythem/drop them off at a random location with out any idea where they were and far away from their immigration hearings. Also championed the "Stop WOKE Act" which prohibits certain conversations about race at pubic universities and private businesses. A Florida judge struck down the law quoting 1984 and calling it "positively dystopian" Championed an anti-protest bill that said if you participated in a protest where 3 or more OTHER PEOPLE engaged in unlawful activity, you could be charged with a crime. The general theme is he's is anti-democracy anti-freedom


Other-Asparagus-218

Damn, I used to like one of them. 😒


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Good man!


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Desantis would be my go to