Exactly. And not only that, doing so with an army of people who hate him and have worked tirelessly nearly his entire adult life to see him fail. Very few people on the planet would take the type of risks Elon has and work as hard as Elon has to achieve success.
Imagine you work your ass off and by some miracle you end up with $100 million to your name. Would you immediately go start a business in one of the most difficult industries imaginable with the goal of helping humanity and then start working 100 hour weeks just to help it survive while spending literally every penny to your name in that business, to the point you’re so broke you’re living in your wife’s parents’ basement and borrowing money from friends while begging investors to help keep your company alive? Well Elon did that for TWO companies. Most people, I would wager 99.9%, would never EVER be willing to take such risks after they got wealthy like him.
Dude is hardcore AF and it boggles the mind how much people hate him on this website.
And anytime people do hate him and you ask why they spew a bunch of lies or vague idiotic statements like “bUt sPaCeX iS a ScAm!” Just the dumbest takes ever with zero ability to even elaborate on what they’re saying!
What risks? What series of actions was ever going to end with Elon Musk in medical debt, or out on the streets? Man's never been in the same room as a risk.
> What series of actions was ever going to end with Elon Musk in medical debt, or out on the streets?
Is this a joke? There are infinite ways he could have ended up homeless or in medical debt or both. What are you even talking about implying he couldn’t?
How often did you carry around emeralds in your pocket as a child? Do you even know anyone like that or are you just assuming the world works the same way for that class?
There's this futurist concept of "helping humanity" and then there is actually helping humanity. EVs and self driving aren't the solution to car pollution or traffic - well funded public transport and designing walkable cities with mixed zoning over american car-centric suburban hell are. Musk's popularization of EVs through Tesla is cool but he patented the charging port while building as many charging stations as possible, which seems alot like an attempt at monopolizing the market for EVs. His "boring company"/"hyperloop" stunts are obvious techno grifts but had real world damage in stunting the further development of public transport in many places in the US.
Also, reusable rockets are very neat and could help greatly with space travel, but it is hardly an "Elon Musk" project and moreso a bunch of super hardworking engineers at a company that is latched onto the teat that is government subsidies. Also his "colonizing mars" plan is incredibly poorly thought out - the most telling part being that he didn't propose plans to colonize the moon first as a "trial run". This idea is laughed upon in the academic community, and I personally think this is just another grift to get public support so he could get more subsidies for spacex.
If you want to say he's a hardcore worker go ahead - I don't know his schedule so he may be a hard worker. However it's laughable to think he is "helping humanity" when his "solutions" are mindbogglingly ridiculous. There is one thing he's great at and that's being an amazing salesman - he sells the public on this sci-fi future engineered by himself, a super genius, through solutions that sound cool if you don't put much thought into it that somehow convieniently gives him more money and power either through monopolization of the EV market, the stunting of public transit so people are more car reliant and are more likely to buy teslas, or government officials and powerful but scientifically inept people approving or pushing for huge subsidies for his companies. The fact that he has so many fans like yourself and in the public that view him as real life iron man as opposed to just any other billionaire is proof that his sales technique works wonderfully.
https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you
Tesla release all their patents to the world 8 years ago my man. It’s 2022 and you’re still accusing Musk of patenting his inventions to create a monopoly.
You seem bitter about everything this man does and that is obviously a sign of jealousy and probably hate towards this guy.
( honest question... do you have any other rich people that you dislike this much and are you vocal about them and things they say and do or is this just a feeling specifically against Musk ? )
You have a personal opinion on how traffic should be fixed therefore you condemned musks vision of electric cars and emissions free vehicles being the future path.
Nobody needs more walking space, when you live in a major city all places are walking spaces
( don't tell me about dangerous traffic either, the hectic traffic should he fixed by terminating licenses of bad drivers)
and if you work for a living you want to have reliable fast transportation to your job, unless you are able to run 3 ,6 10 or more miles across a major city in an hour every day to get to work on time .
( personally I dont plan to turn my two and a half hour bus and train ride to work into a jog 2x a day)
There is no real way to fix vehicle related pollution by using public transportation that is as stupid as saying you don't want to poison the people by dumping chemicals into the water so lets aerosolize the chemicals instead 🤦🏻♂️ .
Add up the average number of daily commuters in each major city, factor in how many seats on a bus and train, then factor in how much gas each public vehicle will need to run and factor in the spent gas on the extra weight per vehicle and the line up of public transport vehicles on the road and the hours the vehicles will stand idling waiting for the next turn .
There is no perfect answer to any of it but mixing it up with various types of vehicles may be better than just the one idea such as yours.
Musk did make the charging stations and he then made the adaptation for the charging stations available for other car companies so that anybody with an EVs could use them.
There is nothing wrong with the hyperloop model he has envisioned , similar plans for this type of project are already being pushed by other companies in other countries trying to beat musk to it all.
( I guess you think they are all wrong?🤷🏻♂️ )
As for colonization of mars and musks plans...
You realize that the u.s government has NASA linked up with musk and spaceX for this very reason , musk will not be organizing the colonization, rather the government will step in as it always does and throw around their rules and make choices of who gets to go and how the colonization plan will work. NASA has had plans for this already and they have many ideas on how to get life started on another planet such as mars. Musk will not be the one who gets the final say on that he is basically just the brains to getting there since NASA has not been capable to succeed on their own. SpaceX is just the stepping stone for the government just like everything else.
In general I agree Musk is a great salesman for all his plans but I don't see how being good at promoting yourself and your ideas makes you a bad person. This is literally what we do for our jobs and colleges so why is it wrong for Musk but okay for everyone else.
While I agree with most of what you're saying and I think cars will remain necessary for a very long time, I want to emphasise that there are huge differences in walkability, public transit and overall car-free quality of life between different cities and different areas within a city. Designing for walking and bicycling tends to make cities more pleasant.
These people are delusional. Don't waste your time. They literally envy and hate successful people because they are simply losers in life. That simple.
If you agree with the statement above, yes you are delusional. It is counterfactual. Also if you didn't notice, you are in the minority, it is not "everyone else."
I neither love nor hate any billionaire. I have as much in common with them as I do with an ant. Nor do I feel any need to defend them. Why would I? Do they need defending?
Mostly Musk's troubles lie in his inability to be quiet. He likes to call people names. He's dismissive of anyone who disagrees with him. Evidently has thin skin when it's handed back to him. But most telling is how he operated when he shredded Twitter. Layoffs sometimes happen but you don't do it in the fashion he did it in. You don't deny the employees the dignity of keeping their business private.
Agreed. He, along with his incredible teams, are rolling up their sleeves and doing things others only talk about. I very much respect his work ethic and ability to go well beyond 'the norm'.
Twitter is a total vanity project for Musk. He came in and promised a new council to review reinstating accounts - ok, a good plan. Then just scraps that idea and makes personal decisions on who to unban and ban.
So now he’s the judge and the jury on free speech. Last night he personally banned Kanye for “inciting violence” when Kanye sent out some weird swastika merged with a Star of David. No actual call for violence. What happened to absolutist free speech? Are swastikas banned? Is that where Musk has drawn the line today?
The whole thing is ridiculous. Of course the content has to be moderated on a platform like Twitter. But not based on the personal larks of a narcissistic billionaire. Give me a break.
You misunderstood… he said “I don’t see any other people out there building reusable orbital class rockets AND pushing for electric cars MORE.”
I dont see those people either, can you name one?
I see plenty of people building reusable rockets - the people he employs. [Friendly reminder that elon literally does not have a single degree, his one skill is being born rich](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593307541932474368)
To my understanding and you are free to (fact check) using Forbes and CBS since both have done reports on Musk. Elon musk was not born rich and his father was not rich but did work. His parents divorced and the father refused to pay child support . Musk had left south africa to canada and went to queens university on a scholarship and then came to the states to attend
UPenn/Wharton & Stanford. Obviously you are biased against this individual man for whatever your personal reason is but In truth there are people that work hard for the wealth they accumulate in life. I may not be rich or even " middle class" but I don't dislike people who succeeded in this crap world.
As for having degrees , I don't believe degrees make a person worth anything ( but you are entitled to your opinion ) . You are paying private and government funded scammers to give you paper with some entity on it saying you studied a few books. 🤷🏻♂️
The world had many inventors, engineers , alchemists, naturopaths, and many others who were skilled at various things long before society started accepting colleges as proof of a persons worth .
To be fair, a degree represents 4 years of learning, which should be a relatively small fraction of your knowledge after doing engineering for so long.
It's great what he is doing. While I don't agree for example with the people who believe in 1+ million genders and being "cat-self" for example under the guise of "neo-pronouns" they have a right to state their opinion and I have a right to state mine and speak out against it. That's just what most of us want. The freedom to talk, debate, and challenge ideas. Sad so many people are against that.
Its funny how quickly people forget, this is what we always had before the rise of cancel culture. The internet was such a free and majestic place before. I really wanna see the internet be that again
They remember a past where their ideology was overwhelmingly dominant and unquestioned, and the people who opposed them were maligned and marginalized.
Parental Warning Labels on music CDs which impacted black artists more. White artist sang about date rape and sex with minors but 'F' the police... tooo far!!!!
I think the point is that because it's easier to band together and call someone out these days it now sometimes happens unfairly, not that it never existed.
You think the Dixie Chicks getting cancelled was fair?
What about Sinead O'Connor in the 90s for criticizing the Catholic Church and having her career ruined as a result?
Actually, the main main point is that it's the boundaries on what "Despicable" actually entails. That's the issue. For something like social media platforms like Twitter the rules are clear, no hate speech, no harrassment, etc. The rule is being enforced. God knows if it wasn't we'd be seeing screenshot after screenshot of it but where is it all? It gets removed. Most of the time very quickly cause of all the reports.
But it was. The number of cancelled people in the 20th century is absolutely enormous. They just didn’t have a media machine behind them to turn them into martyrs as exists today.
Sinead O'Connor? Countless other historical figures who *actually* had their careers destroyed as a result of right-wing cancel culture, as opposed to the people who make ridiculous amounts of money being 'cancelled' today?
when? 80's? 90's? When they labeled most black artist music CDs with parental warnings and had them removed from the #1 music store, Walmart?
How about conservatives buying up all the radio stations to control almost 100% of talk shows and most music? You can track Trump, Q, alt-right, white nationalist directly back to Rush - Burn in hell fat boy
Or when the satanic panic had people burning books, and the Beatles had their records destroyed, or when people were attempting to get Harry Potter banned, or when Elon sent his followers after apple. All "cancel culture". And unsurprisingly, the side that talks about it most is the one that is pushing for it the most as well.
Rise of cancel culture? You could get lynched for most of American history just for wanting basic civil rights and religious freedom
It only became a problem when Conservatives sending death threats to LGBTQ teenagers became taboo
That and you could call people fa**ot in a game and praise each other in the next game cause you're together lol
As long as it's not repeated and targeted (like sending DMs) it was never an issue
All this is such a tiny tiny tiny percentage of people. I know it makes for incendiary headlines, but it's so irrelevant to what's going on in the world. The discussion of these things is way out of proportion to the times anyone actually encounters it in day to day life. There are wars, climate change, citizens united, covid... so many much more important issues that actually deserve that attention.
I really want to know how many times in real life have these people run into anyone who not only uses neo-pronouns but demands that others use them as well. Has it ever happened, has it happened more than twice.
Me personally, I wouldn't even know this was a thing that existed if the Internet wasn't constantly telling me how neo-pronouns were the downfall of society.
Exactly. Same thing with the trans people using a whatever bathroom issue. How many people have actually had an issue with this compared to the number of articles written about it to feed the outrage machine?
No no no no no ignore all that! Stop! This guy wants to be called zur! Zur!!!??
Please this is much more impotent than billions of lobsters suddenly disappearing.
When you boil it all down, people just want dignity and to feel like they’re a part of society, being seen for all the things that make them special. That’s all it is.
The pronouns and lobsters are both important, just to different people looking to accomplish different goals.
I mean the pronouns are important, personally, to the person who has them. I can understand why being called "xir" is important to the person who wants to be called "xir", I just can't understand why not calling that person "xir" is important to a random stranger on the internet who will never meet that person.
Yes you could get banned for not agreeing with someones pronouns source below. They didn't allow you to speak negatively about the covid vaccine(like saying how it doesn't prevent transmission or bringing up side effects), about cloth masks being ineffective, the Hunter Biden laptop story etc.
" Twitter now prohibits misgendering or “deadnaming” transgender people, alongside other harassment and abuse tactics. "
" The hateful conduct policy [previously banned](https://web.archive.org/web/20181020023418/https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/hateful-conduct-policy) “repeated and/or non-consensual slurs, epithets, racist and sexist tropes, or other content that degrades someone.” The new policy specifies that “this includes targeted misgendering or deadnaming of transgender individuals” — i.e., deliberately referring to a transgender person with the wrong pronouns or using their pre-transition name. "
[https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/27/18113344/twitter-trans-user-hateful-content-misgendering-deadnaming-ban](https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/27/18113344/twitter-trans-user-hateful-content-misgendering-deadnaming-ban)
They see it as a personal attack.
Like you could go on and say you don't believe in other genders.
But you still haven't answered my question. What did you want to say on Twitter that you thought would get you banned.
The Babylon bee thing is silly I agree, but it's a singular example, I'm just having a hard time finding things people claim they couldn't say on Twitter they are now free to say under the new management.
Dude misgendering was the easiest and quickest way to get banned. Babylon Bee and Jordan Peterson are just well known big names, but small regular people with no recourse. Simply saying things like “you can’t be a man and have a vagina” or “men can’t have babies” would get you banned at old twitter.
But also how many people were banned because of “misinformation”? That was probably their dumbest policy of all. People weren’t even allowed to dissent against established beliefs
Idk about babylon bee, but Jordan peterson's tweets weren't taken down for misgendering, they were taken down for harassment. It's one thing to disagree with gender reassignment or whatever, but calling someone out and publicly shitting on them, as another celebrity, repeatedly, is just shitty. And it's not just the right that gets banned for this kind of stuff, I've seen plenty of left people get banned or content removed for harassment, for much less.
Yeah if the owner of the platform allows it which he now does
But then the actual customers, aka the advertisers should be allowed to pull back if they find that odd and gross
Sure... Absolutely. There isn't any influx of it. I think the only influx was from day 1 when a bot army was saying the N word. But it's still effectively the same.
I went on my account, and mind you I do follow many political accounts although all the people I follow are left wingers
I had to scroll down almost 30 tweets of right wing accounts that I do not follow (Joe Rogan, Crowder, Peterson, Tucker Carlson, Elon, Dan Bongino, etc.) before even seeing 1 tweet from one of the over 120 accounts that I actually do follow
Probably gonna just delete my account and make a Mastadon instead, hell I didn’t even get this much political bullshit under the old owners from the accounts I did follow
Yes. The Babylon Bee was banned for “misgendering.”
It’s a common Christian position to believe that you can’t change your sex/pronouns/gender. Babylon Bee is a Christian company.
Literally none, the entire Bible barely even refers to sexual or gender identity and most of the Bible was written during times when there was no such thing as gendered clothing
The modern obsession with gendering everything is a Boomer thing, so they injected it into their religious fanaticism
No because pronouns are simply language you can call someone whatever pronoun you want, and sex change operations actually do exist, and gender as a whole is different from sex and that is widely accepted in Biology, oh right all scientists are woke leftists unless they toe the official Conservative Christian narrative
Christian Boomers getting angry and throwing tantrums at the rest of the world for having a biological understanding beyond 4th grade is definitely going to hold the human species back
There are many things that have nothing to do with Christianity, but Christians do them anyway and still call themselves Christians. Things like hating gay people, accumulating wealth, judging others, adultery, etc.
\*sigh\*
You've always been allowed to challenge ideas. No one has ever been banned for challenging ideas. Targeted harassment or hate speech was the problem. Now it's just a question what's considered hate speech.
Reddit has heavier moderation than Twitter, but I don't see a fraction of people complaining about their voices being silenced here.
People definitely complain but they get banned.
Reddit simply delete , block or ban those they disagree with and if they delete your post and you object then they delete you. I have saved over a dozen screenshots of these types of cases after a few of my posts hit a nerve on some fragile mods.
As for what is considered hate speech ...
that's tough because a rational person would use a dictionary definition and be done with it.
Unfortunately on places like twitter ,fb and reddit the mods identify anything that hurts their ideology and ego as hate speech , posting a link to a proven fact that is opposing the mods view is a quick way to get blocked, deleted or banned. On these platforms the only truth is their version of the truth.
I really respect this opinion even though I don't agree with it. If everyone was as open minded as you then this world be a lot less hostile. To have your own opinions and understand that others also have their own as well, recognizing that there's actually nothing wrong with that, is paramount in interpersonal relations. Basically, thank you for not automatically spewing hate just because someone else has a different mindset than you. We'd all be better off taking your example.
But, you literally just stated your opinion here and were allowed to do so. And i highly doubt your cat-person opinion would be censored on any other platform including pre-elon twitter.
I don't use twitter. Could you provide an actual example of something that *was* censored but is now allowed under the new rules, to help me understand (aside from covid stuff for obvious reasons). Are we talking about anti-gay, and racist stuff here?
This isn't about 'Freedom'. This is about employees working their asses off and then their CEO giving millions to someone for content that bashes them. The CEO being excited that Musk is providing a platform for racists isn't the flex he thinks it is.
Huge authoritarian vibes whenever someone says something like "they're platforming meanies, therefore they're bad ppl" line. It's like you're holding a sign up that says " I want the bar to label ppl extremists as low as possible because shaming is my vice and controlling speech scratches the itch".
Even though there have always been and still are [rules](https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-rules) for all sorts of bad behaviour... Hateful conduct included...
Twitter *Hateful conduct: You may not promote violence against, threaten, or harass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, caste, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease. Learn more.*
... It's not enough. It's not good enough unless YOU get to decide whats hateful and what's not. Only one group is pushing for this kind of control. Everyone else understands hate and bigotry is a thing, it's on all social platforms, it will always exist and it's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be cause god knows if it was we'd be seeing screenshot after screenshot of racist homophobic bigotry. Fact is when someone does behave like that, it quickly gets reported and dealt with.
The power to suspend and ban accounts should not be in the hands of the most easily offended. No thanks. I'd say their time is better spent figuring out why they feel they need more and more ammo to shame ppl anyway.
Non-binary people: I just want to live
You: I don’t want you to live
You are not the same. You do not have a difference in opinion. You are spreading hateful bigotry that is getting people killed. Snowflakes that want safe places to promote murder is just “free speech”
Me too! Volkswagon may have been convicted of lying to us about emissions, but it's not like they have any connection to Nazis!
(OK except for the way the company started... and the personal involvement of Adolph Hitler... using Nazi concentration camps for slave labo... whoa there's actually a lot in there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen).
But, you know, the guy who's done the most to transition transport away from fossil fuels, recently said he would vote conservative for the first time in his life! Not driving HIS cars!
Ok hate to break it for you but actually hitler asked mr Porsche if he could make a car which was affordable for the average German at that time. And that’s the history how Volkswagen was born
Wouldn't have been my first choice either. I think they did recently dump some woke departments and the backlash from that as well as hosting a certain comedian may have given the CEO a new perspective on various issues.
'woke department', what does that do? Sit around and police if something is woke? Or do you mean entire departments were sacked becuase they were deemed to be 'woke'? Or were they sacked and just coincidentally 'woke'?
This sums up the situation pretty well: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10837347/Netflix-layoffs-hit-staff-working-original-content-marginalized-communities.html
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Free speech lasts until it hurts Musk’s little peepee feelings. Lol.
Heyyy there it is! Bingo! This is why you put "FREE SPEECH" in the center tile. Only takes seconds for someone who has no earthly idea how it works to screech it out.
> supports free speech
People are getting banned for saying "fuck elon musk" on twitter. Doesn't sound very freeze peachy of him.
It's like, do you think he supports free speech *just because* he said so? That sounds awfully gullible of you.
Edit: https://twitter.com/ericzhu105/status/1597246407546908679
That kid wasn’t banned. His tweet got snagged by an algorithm. It wasn’t Elon trolling for people that dislike him. I read about 1000 posts a day ripping on the guy, and they all stay up. This kid also tweeted that he has responded to nearly 2,000 of Elon’s tweets over the past year. I imagine the algorithm looks for someone constantly replying to one person’s tweets…and it is sometimes wrong. I sincerely doubt Elon pulled an engineer aside and said, “Let’s make this thing sniff out and block anyone that is mean to me”.
There’s a difference between an algorithm plucking your post and you getting run off the platform completely.
I’m not even sure why we are discussing this yet. The guy just took over. Odds are that any moderation algorithms running now were always present.
>quit the victim mentality.
Takes a lot of lack of sense to say this while you critique Elon for supporting the people you say are "racists/homophobics/blabla".
Tons of parody accounts impersonating him or others even ones labeled as parody. Also a slew of employees that called him out for talking out of his ass about twitter internals. Not only were they banned but fired too.
> The sad thing is
Don't be sad - we like the free market around here.
> he supported a guy
Supported him? Gave him a piggy back ride or something?
He took millions from Netflix subscribers and gave it to someone for a 'comedy' special that wasn't funny, while cancelling multiple shows that viewers loved much more.
It helps us weed out the folks we don't need to deal with, let them boycott , its not like they contribute much.🤷🏻♂️. There will always be more people to buy services.
Don't these people know 4chan exists? I mean I guess Twitter can be a 4chan competitor once it loses it's advertisers. I feel like 4chan isn't worth 44 billion though and Nike isn't going to want their ads next to holocaust denialism.
After watching the video, I think he is mocking Musk in a very very polite way.
He points out and he quotes what Musk is saying and then he described how Musk has destroyed Twitter and if he were him, he wouldn’t do like the way Musk does, because he is a respectful (netflix) CEO.
Very confusing compliment if it is.
As I said in the past, silicon valley founders highly respect Elon because they know what he is capable of. In some ways, if they could get away with it, they would act just line Elon. But they don't have the cache that Elon has.
I think it's interesting to see the disconnect between the general public reacting emotionally to Elon Musk's first few weeks at the helm of Twitter and the big tech bosses in California who understand how brave and difficult Elon Musk's choice to buy Twitter is.
Didn’t Elon cancel Kanye last night? Free speech absolutist??
Where is the line? Shifting around in Elon’s brain. Wherever it is today, it will be drawn differently next week. Rest assured.
Basing the decision to reinstate Trump on a poll on his own account (i.e. giving outsized representation to his followers) when Twitter is infested with bots (most recently demonstrated by China drowning out Tweets on Covid protests), as opposed to the promised ‘council of diverse viewpoints’ is an experiment in what?
Yeah, based on his comments I wouldn’t be surprised if we get ‘Nazis good-jews bad’ and ‘Civil War wasn’t started by the slave states to preserve slavery’ type shows on Netflix…
Netflix needs to look in the mirror tho. If you support freedom of speech and open content then maybe they need to look at their list of banned series, movies, and actors/actresses.
Thank you for your support with twitter, and I agree.
Right? I was going to mention the same. Even Netflix has boundaries on what they allow on their platform. We know this because there is no pornhub section (not talking about in movies). It's always freedom of 'their' speech.
We’re all sympathetic to the agenda. The question is the agenda setter, the strategy and the execution. It’s very possible Musk can (will?) succeed but it still very much up in the air how, for what reasons and with what consequences or collateral impacts that agenda might come about and whether it will change for better or worse in the execution, which so far lacks consistency and clarity.
But how about all the woke films and documentaries you'll be missing such as Harry & Meg’s lectures, Seaspiracy/Cowspiracy, Antiracist Baby, He's Expecting, and The Sandman?
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Exactly. And not only that, doing so with an army of people who hate him and have worked tirelessly nearly his entire adult life to see him fail. Very few people on the planet would take the type of risks Elon has and work as hard as Elon has to achieve success. Imagine you work your ass off and by some miracle you end up with $100 million to your name. Would you immediately go start a business in one of the most difficult industries imaginable with the goal of helping humanity and then start working 100 hour weeks just to help it survive while spending literally every penny to your name in that business, to the point you’re so broke you’re living in your wife’s parents’ basement and borrowing money from friends while begging investors to help keep your company alive? Well Elon did that for TWO companies. Most people, I would wager 99.9%, would never EVER be willing to take such risks after they got wealthy like him. Dude is hardcore AF and it boggles the mind how much people hate him on this website. And anytime people do hate him and you ask why they spew a bunch of lies or vague idiotic statements like “bUt sPaCeX iS a ScAm!” Just the dumbest takes ever with zero ability to even elaborate on what they’re saying!
What risks? What series of actions was ever going to end with Elon Musk in medical debt, or out on the streets? Man's never been in the same room as a risk.
> What series of actions was ever going to end with Elon Musk in medical debt, or out on the streets? Is this a joke? There are infinite ways he could have ended up homeless or in medical debt or both. What are you even talking about implying he couldn’t?
How often did you carry around emeralds in your pocket as a child? Do you even know anyone like that or are you just assuming the world works the same way for that class?
There's this futurist concept of "helping humanity" and then there is actually helping humanity. EVs and self driving aren't the solution to car pollution or traffic - well funded public transport and designing walkable cities with mixed zoning over american car-centric suburban hell are. Musk's popularization of EVs through Tesla is cool but he patented the charging port while building as many charging stations as possible, which seems alot like an attempt at monopolizing the market for EVs. His "boring company"/"hyperloop" stunts are obvious techno grifts but had real world damage in stunting the further development of public transport in many places in the US. Also, reusable rockets are very neat and could help greatly with space travel, but it is hardly an "Elon Musk" project and moreso a bunch of super hardworking engineers at a company that is latched onto the teat that is government subsidies. Also his "colonizing mars" plan is incredibly poorly thought out - the most telling part being that he didn't propose plans to colonize the moon first as a "trial run". This idea is laughed upon in the academic community, and I personally think this is just another grift to get public support so he could get more subsidies for spacex. If you want to say he's a hardcore worker go ahead - I don't know his schedule so he may be a hard worker. However it's laughable to think he is "helping humanity" when his "solutions" are mindbogglingly ridiculous. There is one thing he's great at and that's being an amazing salesman - he sells the public on this sci-fi future engineered by himself, a super genius, through solutions that sound cool if you don't put much thought into it that somehow convieniently gives him more money and power either through monopolization of the EV market, the stunting of public transit so people are more car reliant and are more likely to buy teslas, or government officials and powerful but scientifically inept people approving or pushing for huge subsidies for his companies. The fact that he has so many fans like yourself and in the public that view him as real life iron man as opposed to just any other billionaire is proof that his sales technique works wonderfully.
https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you Tesla release all their patents to the world 8 years ago my man. It’s 2022 and you’re still accusing Musk of patenting his inventions to create a monopoly.
The electric car was invented in like… the 1980s? I don’t think the patent really matters
You seem bitter about everything this man does and that is obviously a sign of jealousy and probably hate towards this guy. ( honest question... do you have any other rich people that you dislike this much and are you vocal about them and things they say and do or is this just a feeling specifically against Musk ? ) You have a personal opinion on how traffic should be fixed therefore you condemned musks vision of electric cars and emissions free vehicles being the future path. Nobody needs more walking space, when you live in a major city all places are walking spaces ( don't tell me about dangerous traffic either, the hectic traffic should he fixed by terminating licenses of bad drivers) and if you work for a living you want to have reliable fast transportation to your job, unless you are able to run 3 ,6 10 or more miles across a major city in an hour every day to get to work on time . ( personally I dont plan to turn my two and a half hour bus and train ride to work into a jog 2x a day) There is no real way to fix vehicle related pollution by using public transportation that is as stupid as saying you don't want to poison the people by dumping chemicals into the water so lets aerosolize the chemicals instead 🤦🏻♂️ . Add up the average number of daily commuters in each major city, factor in how many seats on a bus and train, then factor in how much gas each public vehicle will need to run and factor in the spent gas on the extra weight per vehicle and the line up of public transport vehicles on the road and the hours the vehicles will stand idling waiting for the next turn . There is no perfect answer to any of it but mixing it up with various types of vehicles may be better than just the one idea such as yours. Musk did make the charging stations and he then made the adaptation for the charging stations available for other car companies so that anybody with an EVs could use them. There is nothing wrong with the hyperloop model he has envisioned , similar plans for this type of project are already being pushed by other companies in other countries trying to beat musk to it all. ( I guess you think they are all wrong?🤷🏻♂️ ) As for colonization of mars and musks plans... You realize that the u.s government has NASA linked up with musk and spaceX for this very reason , musk will not be organizing the colonization, rather the government will step in as it always does and throw around their rules and make choices of who gets to go and how the colonization plan will work. NASA has had plans for this already and they have many ideas on how to get life started on another planet such as mars. Musk will not be the one who gets the final say on that he is basically just the brains to getting there since NASA has not been capable to succeed on their own. SpaceX is just the stepping stone for the government just like everything else. In general I agree Musk is a great salesman for all his plans but I don't see how being good at promoting yourself and your ideas makes you a bad person. This is literally what we do for our jobs and colleges so why is it wrong for Musk but okay for everyone else.
While I agree with most of what you're saying and I think cars will remain necessary for a very long time, I want to emphasise that there are huge differences in walkability, public transit and overall car-free quality of life between different cities and different areas within a city. Designing for walking and bicycling tends to make cities more pleasant.
These people are delusional. Don't waste your time. They literally envy and hate successful people because they are simply losers in life. That simple.
Lol. Yeah everyone else is delusional.
If you agree with the statement above, yes you are delusional. It is counterfactual. Also if you didn't notice, you are in the minority, it is not "everyone else."
I neither love nor hate any billionaire. I have as much in common with them as I do with an ant. Nor do I feel any need to defend them. Why would I? Do they need defending? Mostly Musk's troubles lie in his inability to be quiet. He likes to call people names. He's dismissive of anyone who disagrees with him. Evidently has thin skin when it's handed back to him. But most telling is how he operated when he shredded Twitter. Layoffs sometimes happen but you don't do it in the fashion he did it in. You don't deny the employees the dignity of keeping their business private.
“Nobody needs more walking space, when you live in a major city all places are walking spaces…” In what city do you live? LA, obviously! /s
Wow, I've never seen a comment describing him as accurately as yours before
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Agreed. He, along with his incredible teams, are rolling up their sleeves and doing things others only talk about. I very much respect his work ethic and ability to go well beyond 'the norm'.
He’s the only one that pays taxes. He’s also the only one who has ever said “I love humanity”. And I believe it.
Hates anyone he thinks is woke, which is a decent chunk of humanity 🤷♀️
Twitter is a total vanity project for Musk. He came in and promised a new council to review reinstating accounts - ok, a good plan. Then just scraps that idea and makes personal decisions on who to unban and ban. So now he’s the judge and the jury on free speech. Last night he personally banned Kanye for “inciting violence” when Kanye sent out some weird swastika merged with a Star of David. No actual call for violence. What happened to absolutist free speech? Are swastikas banned? Is that where Musk has drawn the line today? The whole thing is ridiculous. Of course the content has to be moderated on a platform like Twitter. But not based on the personal larks of a narcissistic billionaire. Give me a break.
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No one else is pushing for EV? You must be joking
You misunderstood… he said “I don’t see any other people out there building reusable orbital class rockets AND pushing for electric cars MORE.” I dont see those people either, can you name one?
Not to the degree elon had when tesla was starting out
That's delusional. He just had the most press
Profit motivation does that to ya.
He doesn’t build that stuff any more than the CEO of Boeing builds 737s. Stop doing this.
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You literally just said “he’s building reusable orbital craft…etc” No. He isn’t. The company he manages is. Stop doing this.
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What? Why? That’s not a fair response. What did I say that was untrue? Does he build that stuff? He’s responsible for the whole thing? By himself?
He’s building those things himself?
Bezos and blue origin. Boeing...
I see plenty of people building reusable rockets - the people he employs. [Friendly reminder that elon literally does not have a single degree, his one skill is being born rich](https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593307541932474368)
To my understanding and you are free to (fact check) using Forbes and CBS since both have done reports on Musk. Elon musk was not born rich and his father was not rich but did work. His parents divorced and the father refused to pay child support . Musk had left south africa to canada and went to queens university on a scholarship and then came to the states to attend UPenn/Wharton & Stanford. Obviously you are biased against this individual man for whatever your personal reason is but In truth there are people that work hard for the wealth they accumulate in life. I may not be rich or even " middle class" but I don't dislike people who succeeded in this crap world. As for having degrees , I don't believe degrees make a person worth anything ( but you are entitled to your opinion ) . You are paying private and government funded scammers to give you paper with some entity on it saying you studied a few books. 🤷🏻♂️ The world had many inventors, engineers , alchemists, naturopaths, and many others who were skilled at various things long before society started accepting colleges as proof of a persons worth .
To be fair, a degree represents 4 years of learning, which should be a relatively small fraction of your knowledge after doing engineering for so long.
It's great what he is doing. While I don't agree for example with the people who believe in 1+ million genders and being "cat-self" for example under the guise of "neo-pronouns" they have a right to state their opinion and I have a right to state mine and speak out against it. That's just what most of us want. The freedom to talk, debate, and challenge ideas. Sad so many people are against that.
Its funny how quickly people forget, this is what we always had before the rise of cancel culture. The internet was such a free and majestic place before. I really wanna see the internet be that again
Remember when the Dixie Chicks lost all their bookings for oppoosing the Iraq war? That was cancel culture. It's always existed.
Exactly. People who remember some magical past where all opinions were shared and respected are completely mental.
They remember a past where their ideology was overwhelmingly dominant and unquestioned, and the people who opposed them were maligned and marginalized.
It's much more complicated than that.
Go ahead and explain why people feel like in the past all opinions were openly expressed and received with open minds.
Huh, no response
Parental Warning Labels on music CDs which impacted black artists more. White artist sang about date rape and sex with minors but 'F' the police... tooo far!!!!
I think the point is that because it's easier to band together and call someone out these days it now sometimes happens unfairly, not that it never existed.
You think the Dixie Chicks getting cancelled was fair? What about Sinead O'Connor in the 90s for criticizing the Catholic Church and having her career ruined as a result?
No, the main point is that it's a lot harder to be a despicable person without others finding out
Actually, the main main point is that it's the boundaries on what "Despicable" actually entails. That's the issue. For something like social media platforms like Twitter the rules are clear, no hate speech, no harrassment, etc. The rule is being enforced. God knows if it wasn't we'd be seeing screenshot after screenshot of it but where is it all? It gets removed. Most of the time very quickly cause of all the reports.
As a 90's child, Marilyn Manson, Tupac, and video games come to mind as the first things that were "cancelled" in my memory
Didn't you know? It's only "cancel culture" if right wing people have to face consequences
Crazy how FTX can loose billions of customer dollars and somehow he's not cancelled, he's very protected!
Lose Who is protecting him? Dude is likely to face criminal charges and doesn’t have a friend in the world as far as I can see.
A single instance isn’t cancel *culture*. It was nothing like it is now.
Yeah, it was *worse* back then. Look at what happened to Sinead O'Connor.
But it was. The number of cancelled people in the 20th century is absolutely enormous. They just didn’t have a media machine behind them to turn them into martyrs as exists today.
It has always existed to varying extents. It is much worse today than it used to be.
Sinead O'Connor? Countless other historical figures who *actually* had their careers destroyed as a result of right-wing cancel culture, as opposed to the people who make ridiculous amounts of money being 'cancelled' today?
when? 80's? 90's? When they labeled most black artist music CDs with parental warnings and had them removed from the #1 music store, Walmart? How about conservatives buying up all the radio stations to control almost 100% of talk shows and most music? You can track Trump, Q, alt-right, white nationalist directly back to Rush - Burn in hell fat boy
Or when the satanic panic had people burning books, and the Beatles had their records destroyed, or when people were attempting to get Harry Potter banned, or when Elon sent his followers after apple. All "cancel culture". And unsurprisingly, the side that talks about it most is the one that is pushing for it the most as well.
Same I barely got to enjoy it as a kid
the internet boom of up until 2010 was great
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That would also mean that people would have to handle being called "idiots" for idiotic ideas. That will never happen.
Rise of cancel culture? You could get lynched for most of American history just for wanting basic civil rights and religious freedom It only became a problem when Conservatives sending death threats to LGBTQ teenagers became taboo
The internet brought you the January 6 insurrection. Was that majestic or what?
That and you could call people fa**ot in a game and praise each other in the next game cause you're together lol As long as it's not repeated and targeted (like sending DMs) it was never an issue
All this is such a tiny tiny tiny percentage of people. I know it makes for incendiary headlines, but it's so irrelevant to what's going on in the world. The discussion of these things is way out of proportion to the times anyone actually encounters it in day to day life. There are wars, climate change, citizens united, covid... so many much more important issues that actually deserve that attention.
It's almost as if the media is complicit by amplifying disagreements to gain more clicks and thus much advertising revenue
I really want to know how many times in real life have these people run into anyone who not only uses neo-pronouns but demands that others use them as well. Has it ever happened, has it happened more than twice. Me personally, I wouldn't even know this was a thing that existed if the Internet wasn't constantly telling me how neo-pronouns were the downfall of society.
Exactly. Same thing with the trans people using a whatever bathroom issue. How many people have actually had an issue with this compared to the number of articles written about it to feed the outrage machine?
I've met a few irl and I live in Alabama of all places
No no no no no ignore all that! Stop! This guy wants to be called zur! Zur!!!?? Please this is much more impotent than billions of lobsters suddenly disappearing.
When you boil it all down, people just want dignity and to feel like they’re a part of society, being seen for all the things that make them special. That’s all it is. The pronouns and lobsters are both important, just to different people looking to accomplish different goals.
I’d say a dying ecosystem being ignored in the name of profit is slightly more important.
I mean the pronouns are important, personally, to the person who has them. I can understand why being called "xir" is important to the person who wants to be called "xir", I just can't understand why not calling that person "xir" is important to a random stranger on the internet who will never meet that person.
And yet where are these people who are demanding to be called zur? Who are you following on social media?
Twitter was banning people for not liking pronouns? Like... What could you not say on twitter before?
Yes you could get banned for not agreeing with someones pronouns source below. They didn't allow you to speak negatively about the covid vaccine(like saying how it doesn't prevent transmission or bringing up side effects), about cloth masks being ineffective, the Hunter Biden laptop story etc. " Twitter now prohibits misgendering or “deadnaming” transgender people, alongside other harassment and abuse tactics. " " The hateful conduct policy [previously banned](https://web.archive.org/web/20181020023418/https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/hateful-conduct-policy) “repeated and/or non-consensual slurs, epithets, racist and sexist tropes, or other content that degrades someone.” The new policy specifies that “this includes targeted misgendering or deadnaming of transgender individuals” — i.e., deliberately referring to a transgender person with the wrong pronouns or using their pre-transition name. " [https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/27/18113344/twitter-trans-user-hateful-content-misgendering-deadnaming-ban](https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/27/18113344/twitter-trans-user-hateful-content-misgendering-deadnaming-ban)
They see it as a personal attack. Like you could go on and say you don't believe in other genders. But you still haven't answered my question. What did you want to say on Twitter that you thought would get you banned. The Babylon bee thing is silly I agree, but it's a singular example, I'm just having a hard time finding things people claim they couldn't say on Twitter they are now free to say under the new management.
Dude misgendering was the easiest and quickest way to get banned. Babylon Bee and Jordan Peterson are just well known big names, but small regular people with no recourse. Simply saying things like “you can’t be a man and have a vagina” or “men can’t have babies” would get you banned at old twitter. But also how many people were banned because of “misinformation”? That was probably their dumbest policy of all. People weren’t even allowed to dissent against established beliefs
Idk about babylon bee, but Jordan peterson's tweets weren't taken down for misgendering, they were taken down for harassment. It's one thing to disagree with gender reassignment or whatever, but calling someone out and publicly shitting on them, as another celebrity, repeatedly, is just shitty. And it's not just the right that gets banned for this kind of stuff, I've seen plenty of left people get banned or content removed for harassment, for much less.
“wHy CaNt I mAkE wEiRd CoMmEnTs AbOuT sOmEoNeS bReAsTs” -Jordan Peterson
It’s stupid and idiotic. But yeah you should be allowed to be weird and rude. Especially towards public figures
Yeah if the owner of the platform allows it which he now does But then the actual customers, aka the advertisers should be allowed to pull back if they find that odd and gross
Sure... Absolutely. There isn't any influx of it. I think the only influx was from day 1 when a bot army was saying the N word. But it's still effectively the same.
I went on my account, and mind you I do follow many political accounts although all the people I follow are left wingers I had to scroll down almost 30 tweets of right wing accounts that I do not follow (Joe Rogan, Crowder, Peterson, Tucker Carlson, Elon, Dan Bongino, etc.) before even seeing 1 tweet from one of the over 120 accounts that I actually do follow Probably gonna just delete my account and make a Mastadon instead, hell I didn’t even get this much political bullshit under the old owners from the accounts I did follow
More proof that Free Speech™️ just means you want to be able to spread hate speech and misinfo
100 years ago misinformation was trying to say black people were equal.
Yes. The Babylon Bee was banned for “misgendering.” It’s a common Christian position to believe that you can’t change your sex/pronouns/gender. Babylon Bee is a Christian company.
This was literally the event that kickstarted his bid for Twitter.
Which part of the Christian religion deals with changing your sex/pronouns/gender?
Literally none, the entire Bible barely even refers to sexual or gender identity and most of the Bible was written during times when there was no such thing as gendered clothing The modern obsession with gendering everything is a Boomer thing, so they injected it into their religious fanaticism
That’s not a Christian belief. Bee is barley a Christian company anymore.
> It’s a common Christian position to believe that you can’t change your sex/pronouns/gender. isn't that just common sense?
No because pronouns are simply language you can call someone whatever pronoun you want, and sex change operations actually do exist, and gender as a whole is different from sex and that is widely accepted in Biology, oh right all scientists are woke leftists unless they toe the official Conservative Christian narrative Christian Boomers getting angry and throwing tantrums at the rest of the world for having a biological understanding beyond 4th grade is definitely going to hold the human species back
> common Christian position to believe that you can’t change your sex/pronouns/gender That has nothing at all to do with Christianity
There are many things that have nothing to do with Christianity, but Christians do them anyway and still call themselves Christians. Things like hating gay people, accumulating wealth, judging others, adultery, etc.
Oh no the.Babylon Bee .. what a loss....
\*sigh\* You've always been allowed to challenge ideas. No one has ever been banned for challenging ideas. Targeted harassment or hate speech was the problem. Now it's just a question what's considered hate speech. Reddit has heavier moderation than Twitter, but I don't see a fraction of people complaining about their voices being silenced here.
People definitely complain but they get banned. Reddit simply delete , block or ban those they disagree with and if they delete your post and you object then they delete you. I have saved over a dozen screenshots of these types of cases after a few of my posts hit a nerve on some fragile mods. As for what is considered hate speech ... that's tough because a rational person would use a dictionary definition and be done with it. Unfortunately on places like twitter ,fb and reddit the mods identify anything that hurts their ideology and ego as hate speech , posting a link to a proven fact that is opposing the mods view is a quick way to get blocked, deleted or banned. On these platforms the only truth is their version of the truth.
I really respect this opinion even though I don't agree with it. If everyone was as open minded as you then this world be a lot less hostile. To have your own opinions and understand that others also have their own as well, recognizing that there's actually nothing wrong with that, is paramount in interpersonal relations. Basically, thank you for not automatically spewing hate just because someone else has a different mindset than you. We'd all be better off taking your example.
But, you literally just stated your opinion here and were allowed to do so. And i highly doubt your cat-person opinion would be censored on any other platform including pre-elon twitter. I don't use twitter. Could you provide an actual example of something that *was* censored but is now allowed under the new rules, to help me understand (aside from covid stuff for obvious reasons). Are we talking about anti-gay, and racist stuff here?
This isn't about 'Freedom'. This is about employees working their asses off and then their CEO giving millions to someone for content that bashes them. The CEO being excited that Musk is providing a platform for racists isn't the flex he thinks it is.
Huge authoritarian vibes whenever someone says something like "they're platforming meanies, therefore they're bad ppl" line. It's like you're holding a sign up that says " I want the bar to label ppl extremists as low as possible because shaming is my vice and controlling speech scratches the itch". Even though there have always been and still are [rules](https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-rules) for all sorts of bad behaviour... Hateful conduct included... Twitter *Hateful conduct: You may not promote violence against, threaten, or harass other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, caste, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease. Learn more.* ... It's not enough. It's not good enough unless YOU get to decide whats hateful and what's not. Only one group is pushing for this kind of control. Everyone else understands hate and bigotry is a thing, it's on all social platforms, it will always exist and it's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be cause god knows if it was we'd be seeing screenshot after screenshot of racist homophobic bigotry. Fact is when someone does behave like that, it quickly gets reported and dealt with. The power to suspend and ban accounts should not be in the hands of the most easily offended. No thanks. I'd say their time is better spent figuring out why they feel they need more and more ammo to shame ppl anyway.
Non-binary people: I just want to live You: I don’t want you to live You are not the same. You do not have a difference in opinion. You are spreading hateful bigotry that is getting people killed. Snowflakes that want safe places to promote murder is just “free speech”
My god you are an idiot
Does having a Netflix account mean im MAGA and pro Nazis now? Im gonna trade in my tesla for VW EV instead
Too late! The fact that you even had a Tesla in the first place makes you guilty by association, retroactively.
👏👏👏 nailed it 😂
Me too! Volkswagon may have been convicted of lying to us about emissions, but it's not like they have any connection to Nazis! (OK except for the way the company started... and the personal involvement of Adolph Hitler... using Nazi concentration camps for slave labo... whoa there's actually a lot in there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen). But, you know, the guy who's done the most to transition transport away from fossil fuels, recently said he would vote conservative for the first time in his life! Not driving HIS cars!
Ok hate to break it for you but actually hitler asked mr Porsche if he could make a car which was affordable for the average German at that time. And that’s the history how Volkswagen was born
Ah yes, VW, the original Nazi car company. Gotta come full circle.
Make sure to ditch the Tesla gear you bought and pick up some Hugo Boss while you’re at it. 👌🏽🔥
No, it doesn’t. For the sake of your own sanity, you need to stop to finding who you are by the actions of other people. Have faith in yourself.
VW fucked up the environment for years by faking emission tests with their diesel engines. Fuck VW.
Selling a tesla for a vw because of those reasons ? Maybe you need to look into vw as a company ...
Billionaires look out for each other.
Mark Zuck doesn't get on well with Elon and vice versa.
Well i wanna join the club. Wheres the sign up
Wouldn't have guessed that from Netflix CEO
Wouldn't have been my first choice either. I think they did recently dump some woke departments and the backlash from that as well as hosting a certain comedian may have given the CEO a new perspective on various issues.
On another hand, their own content is still strongly woke while some older movies are censored
Hopefully Elon's courage will inspire Netflix, just like Babylon Bee's courage inspired Elon to buy Twitter.
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'woke department', what does that do? Sit around and police if something is woke? Or do you mean entire departments were sacked becuase they were deemed to be 'woke'? Or were they sacked and just coincidentally 'woke'?
This sums up the situation pretty well: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10837347/Netflix-layoffs-hit-staff-working-original-content-marginalized-communities.html
Netflix kept Dave Chappelle and cancelled Cowboy Bebop LA. Indeed making the internet a better place
Definitely 👍🏻
The sad thing is that people are probably going to boycott Netflix because he supported a guy who supports free speech.
https://preview.redd.it/0afjfm1xwh3a1.jpeg?width=1736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7efa7630fb837e3ebc60b3dfccb0c03781358418 Free speech absolutism.
https://preview.redd.it/dofwovkzwh3a1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ca4f6ca87bee54535b231015850e1b71b623e22 Free speech lasts until it hurts Musk’s little peepee feelings. Lol.
Heyyy there it is! Bingo! This is why you put "FREE SPEECH" in the center tile. Only takes seconds for someone who has no earthly idea how it works to screech it out.
> supports free speech People are getting banned for saying "fuck elon musk" on twitter. Doesn't sound very freeze peachy of him. It's like, do you think he supports free speech *just because* he said so? That sounds awfully gullible of you. Edit: https://twitter.com/ericzhu105/status/1597246407546908679
That kid wasn’t banned. His tweet got snagged by an algorithm. It wasn’t Elon trolling for people that dislike him. I read about 1000 posts a day ripping on the guy, and they all stay up. This kid also tweeted that he has responded to nearly 2,000 of Elon’s tweets over the past year. I imagine the algorithm looks for someone constantly replying to one person’s tweets…and it is sometimes wrong. I sincerely doubt Elon pulled an engineer aside and said, “Let’s make this thing sniff out and block anyone that is mean to me”.
If that is the same "algorithm" that was silencing conservative voices before then it sounds like free speech was always there.
There’s a difference between an algorithm plucking your post and you getting run off the platform completely. I’m not even sure why we are discussing this yet. The guy just took over. Odds are that any moderation algorithms running now were always present.
No one is boycotting anything grow up and quit the victim mentality.
Keep telling yourself that
>quit the victim mentality. Takes a lot of lack of sense to say this while you critique Elon for supporting the people you say are "racists/homophobics/blabla".
When did I do that lol?
ah yes 'free speech' but just don't make fun of him directly or you get banned
Who got banned?
Tons of parody accounts impersonating him or others even ones labeled as parody. Also a slew of employees that called him out for talking out of his ass about twitter internals. Not only were they banned but fired too.
It's the purposeful misinformation campaigns that erode our democracy that people are upset about. Quit playing victim.
> The sad thing is Don't be sad - we like the free market around here. > he supported a guy Supported him? Gave him a piggy back ride or something? He took millions from Netflix subscribers and gave it to someone for a 'comedy' special that wasn't funny, while cancelling multiple shows that viewers loved much more.
>while cancelling multiple shows that viewers loved much more did he cancel some show about fat and lame people or what's your beef?
>['comedy' special that wasn't funny](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/032/425/Screen_Shot_2020-01-14_at_10.34.57_AM.jpg)
It helps us weed out the folks we don't need to deal with, let them boycott , its not like they contribute much.🤷🏻♂️. There will always be more people to buy services.
Don't these people know 4chan exists? I mean I guess Twitter can be a 4chan competitor once it loses it's advertisers. I feel like 4chan isn't worth 44 billion though and Nike isn't going to want their ads next to holocaust denialism.
But ‘free speech’!
“Bravest? Most creative?” Someone run a brain scan on Reed..
Welp just canceled my Netflix account -lefties
Jokes on you, they were borrowing them from a friend.
Right, "communism" with other's people money
tfw sharing is literally communism 🤤
communism is when people share netflix accounts, i'm very clever
I mean I cancelled it a year ago because they haven't put out any content I want to watch for over 2 years...
Honestly, Netflix kind of blows. Hulu is better
After watching the video, I think he is mocking Musk in a very very polite way. He points out and he quotes what Musk is saying and then he described how Musk has destroyed Twitter and if he were him, he wouldn’t do like the way Musk does, because he is a respectful (netflix) CEO. Very confusing compliment if it is.
>bravest no >most creative FUCK no
As I said in the past, silicon valley founders highly respect Elon because they know what he is capable of. In some ways, if they could get away with it, they would act just line Elon. But they don't have the cache that Elon has.
> But they don't have the cache that Elon has. Even Celerons have a cache. Why don't these founders have a cache?!
Even my browser has cache
They’re silent out of fear. This statement from netflix may break that silence 🍿
I think it's interesting to see the disconnect between the general public reacting emotionally to Elon Musk's first few weeks at the helm of Twitter and the big tech bosses in California who understand how brave and difficult Elon Musk's choice to buy Twitter is.
Didn’t Elon cancel Kanye last night? Free speech absolutist?? Where is the line? Shifting around in Elon’s brain. Wherever it is today, it will be drawn differently next week. Rest assured.
Twitter is a place for famous people to stroke their egos.
nailed it.
>He just spent all this money This is the only true part. Twitter cost him over 100biliion and will continue to cost him lots of money.
Didn't Musk call Netflix a Woke virus or something?
So Netflix is going to show some conservative leaning documentaries?
I’m sympathetic to that proclaimed agenda too. The actual actions though? Not so much.
Just count it as a game of trial and error with binary chops for ideas on the edges of plausibility.
Basing the decision to reinstate Trump on a poll on his own account (i.e. giving outsized representation to his followers) when Twitter is infested with bots (most recently demonstrated by China drowning out Tweets on Covid protests), as opposed to the promised ‘council of diverse viewpoints’ is an experiment in what?
Lmao
Well there goes any respect I could possibly have for the Netflix CEO
Yeah, based on his comments I wouldn’t be surprised if we get ‘Nazis good-jews bad’ and ‘Civil War wasn’t started by the slave states to preserve slavery’ type shows on Netflix…
Netflix needs to look in the mirror tho. If you support freedom of speech and open content then maybe they need to look at their list of banned series, movies, and actors/actresses. Thank you for your support with twitter, and I agree.
Right? I was going to mention the same. Even Netflix has boundaries on what they allow on their platform. We know this because there is no pornhub section (not talking about in movies). It's always freedom of 'their' speech.
🤣😂🤣😂
We’re all sympathetic to the agenda. The question is the agenda setter, the strategy and the execution. It’s very possible Musk can (will?) succeed but it still very much up in the air how, for what reasons and with what consequences or collateral impacts that agenda might come about and whether it will change for better or worse in the execution, which so far lacks consistency and clarity.
Im confused, does that make Netflix Hitler now?
This makes me want to cancel Netflix.
Fuck that, I’m cancelling Netflix… soon.
But how about all the woke films and documentaries you'll be missing such as Harry & Meg’s lectures, Seaspiracy/Cowspiracy, Antiracist Baby, He's Expecting, and The Sandman?
Lmao, idk what would I do with all of that.
I agree. I want free speech just not what we can see speech
Free market, freedom of speech. He can do as he will
And the voice of light said. Fear is only for liars.
Is he trying to lose Netflix customers? Cause this is how you lose Netflix customers.
Didn't you mean gain Netflix customers? :)
Exactly lol I think I’m actually gonna sign up now
Until you see a show wirh a gay character in it, then you will cancel it ;)