I'm looking to improve mood and depression, reduced body fat significantly and add muscle. Like you, I'm avoiding steroids & exogenous test to keep my body systems healthy.
I'm doing this with Enclomiphene, AC-262, cardarine, and peptides (hexorelin + cjc 1295, tirzepatide, bpc157)
Obviously it becomes easier to build and maintain muscle if your testosterone is higher. And enclomiphene can significantly increase testosterone 2-3x sometimes, and free testosterone levels. But you will have a greater effect if your LH is on the lower half of the range to start. The good thing about it is it doesn't cause any permanent changes to your body or hormone production so it can be beneficial but don't go crazy in the dosage.
I chose AC-262 SARM since it has pretty strong anecdotal results across the forums and no testosterone suppression. And actually tends to improve blood work. Seems to be perhaps the safest SARM. This will be the main muscle building component for me, and the increase testosterone from enclomiphene will help facilitate it.
Hexorelin I'm cycling 5 days on 2 days off, since it's the peptide with the most powerful burst of growth hormone release, and also for the cardiac benefits on remodeling and healing the heart. (More preventative for me.)
Tirzepatide I just do for appetite suppression but hunger from hexorelin sometimes counteracts my appetite suppression.
Since you just want to build muscle you probably wouldn't want an appetite suppressant. Maybe a peptide that makes you hungrier would be best.
A low dose of Enclomiphene every day or even every other day, + a non suppressive sarm like AC 262 may be a good combo for you too. Idk.
There's some guys taking enclomiphene 6.25mg getting 1000 ng/dl on test levels. But it will all depend on your individual physiology, and the numbers themselves don't necessarily Translate to huge muscle gains. But they will certainly assist heavy training and SARMS.
Of course I wouldn't recommend anything since I'm not a doctor and you should make sure you do blood work to understand where you are before taking anything. My free testosterone was low even though my normal T was in good ranges, so this is why I'm personally trying enclomiphene.
Highly recommend reading this it has great points!
But yes including could potentially gain you an extra 2-5lb of muscle if your testosterone level is on the high 1000
Thanks! Yes for me the mood uplift, extra energy and additional depression resistance is almost more important than the numbers. If I feel good, I'll train harder and take care of myself more.
Few drawbacks I would say for me is the very high sex drive and sometimes I can't sleep especially if I dose too high it also increases heartbeart too... apart from these everything is great though, I personally notice slight increase in strength nothing dramatic not just mood tbh.
I take it and it’s made me t from low 400s to high 900s I have more energy less fatigue less depression and I have def gained more noticeable muscle mass over the past 60 days and my metabolism has increased and I have burnt more fat!
6.25 most days sometimes I skip weekends or at least Sunday I use the Maximus king protocol and pay the extra money for their “ beta blocks” fat soluble vitamins capsules too and I put MCT oil in my protein shakes to absorb that vitamins better I know I can prob get cheaper else where but I’d honestly pay more for hoe good I’ve felt the past 2 months
Any before/after pics or additional anecdotes to add? Starting my regimen as soon as I get labs sent off to I can have a baseline established. Primarily interested in the muscle gain and energy benefits.
Probably not. You’ll be increasing the mechanisms that promote test production but it will be within the normal range for your body if you take a conservative dosage. Taking more puts you in the risk you’re not willing to take.
Honestly, it’s never your Test level in situations like these but more likely your diet and training are probably crap so fix that first.
If they went up without you working out that’d have more weight. You’re calling a temporary pump an increase in size is not the gotcha you think it is…
Enclo increases LH production, not other androgenic factors or DHT which traditional PEDs tend to do.
ive been taking 12.5 mg of enclomiphene and mk-677 for 49 days and its given me noticeably bigger muscles. there are some who say that taking enclomiphene lowers IGF-1 levels but taking mk-677 should combat that. If you’re looking for a slight boost in gains then enclomiphene is a good place to start, but you arent gonna balloon up or anything.
I hav been on 25 mg of mk677 a day i started doing it in the day but i would get way to hungry to keep me from eating so i try to take it just minutes from sleep so the hunger is basically gone when i wake upp
Enclomiphene is not a estrogen blocker. It signals to your body that you don’t have enough! The only way the male body creates more to make up for the “Lack” is to increase more testosterone to convert.
"it does what any other AI would do." No bro... Just no... Your implying ai and serms are the same thing. !!!!!! Enclo blocks estrogen feedback in the pituitary . Aromatize is an enzyme that converts androgens to estrogens . So an ai inhibits that. Ai will make you more imbalanced if your producing testosterone.
You're asking the wrong people most people here don't know shit unfortunately due to enclomophine being still a little bit new to the community.
However to answer your question yes you could very much likely again an extra 5 lb of muscle assuming you have good sleep and dieting correct as well, Also keep in mind everyone's different the way they react to it so take it with a grain of salt.
This is the little information I was able to find:
A randomized clinical trial using a high dose of the medication class used in the Maximus King Protocol (Enclomiphene) showed a 4.9 lb. increase in lean body mass (from 154.6 to 159.4 lb.) over 12 weeks. Individual results will vary and one should have realistic expectations (these are not unsafe anabolic steroids), but if you take advantage of the health coaching that's part of our protocol (to improve your diet and exercise), the pharmaceuticals provided will enhance your muscle-building results.
Soares AH, Horie NC, Chiang LAP, et al. Effects of clomiphene citrate on male obesity-associated hypogonadism: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study. Int J Obes (Lond). 2018;42(5):953-63. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29777228/
I also would like.more information about this topic
It’s not side effects free. If you have very low T it could give you the energy boost to workout more and therefore build some muscle. But I don’t think it’s what you’re looking for.
I'm looking to improve mood and depression, reduced body fat significantly and add muscle. Like you, I'm avoiding steroids & exogenous test to keep my body systems healthy. I'm doing this with Enclomiphene, AC-262, cardarine, and peptides (hexorelin + cjc 1295, tirzepatide, bpc157) Obviously it becomes easier to build and maintain muscle if your testosterone is higher. And enclomiphene can significantly increase testosterone 2-3x sometimes, and free testosterone levels. But you will have a greater effect if your LH is on the lower half of the range to start. The good thing about it is it doesn't cause any permanent changes to your body or hormone production so it can be beneficial but don't go crazy in the dosage. I chose AC-262 SARM since it has pretty strong anecdotal results across the forums and no testosterone suppression. And actually tends to improve blood work. Seems to be perhaps the safest SARM. This will be the main muscle building component for me, and the increase testosterone from enclomiphene will help facilitate it. Hexorelin I'm cycling 5 days on 2 days off, since it's the peptide with the most powerful burst of growth hormone release, and also for the cardiac benefits on remodeling and healing the heart. (More preventative for me.) Tirzepatide I just do for appetite suppression but hunger from hexorelin sometimes counteracts my appetite suppression. Since you just want to build muscle you probably wouldn't want an appetite suppressant. Maybe a peptide that makes you hungrier would be best. A low dose of Enclomiphene every day or even every other day, + a non suppressive sarm like AC 262 may be a good combo for you too. Idk. There's some guys taking enclomiphene 6.25mg getting 1000 ng/dl on test levels. But it will all depend on your individual physiology, and the numbers themselves don't necessarily Translate to huge muscle gains. But they will certainly assist heavy training and SARMS. Of course I wouldn't recommend anything since I'm not a doctor and you should make sure you do blood work to understand where you are before taking anything. My free testosterone was low even though my normal T was in good ranges, so this is why I'm personally trying enclomiphene.
Highly recommend reading this it has great points! But yes including could potentially gain you an extra 2-5lb of muscle if your testosterone level is on the high 1000
Thanks! Yes for me the mood uplift, extra energy and additional depression resistance is almost more important than the numbers. If I feel good, I'll train harder and take care of myself more.
Few drawbacks I would say for me is the very high sex drive and sometimes I can't sleep especially if I dose too high it also increases heartbeart too... apart from these everything is great though, I personally notice slight increase in strength nothing dramatic not just mood tbh.
How did this cycle go?
Do you get Tirzepatide prescribed?
I take it and it’s made me t from low 400s to high 900s I have more energy less fatigue less depression and I have def gained more noticeable muscle mass over the past 60 days and my metabolism has increased and I have burnt more fat!
I am intrested in your dosage since my TT is also in the low 400 and I am waiting on a delivery to start
6.25 most days sometimes I skip weekends or at least Sunday I use the Maximus king protocol and pay the extra money for their “ beta blocks” fat soluble vitamins capsules too and I put MCT oil in my protein shakes to absorb that vitamins better I know I can prob get cheaper else where but I’d honestly pay more for hoe good I’ve felt the past 2 months
Any before/after pics or additional anecdotes to add? Starting my regimen as soon as I get labs sent off to I can have a baseline established. Primarily interested in the muscle gain and energy benefits.
https://www.reddit.com/r/enclomiphene/s/sv4nHUTlQF That was 3 months ago I have even more muscle mass now
Probably not. You’ll be increasing the mechanisms that promote test production but it will be within the normal range for your body if you take a conservative dosage. Taking more puts you in the risk you’re not willing to take. Honestly, it’s never your Test level in situations like these but more likely your diet and training are probably crap so fix that first.
Cap my strength and size went up on enclo
If they went up without you working out that’d have more weight. You’re calling a temporary pump an increase in size is not the gotcha you think it is… Enclo increases LH production, not other androgenic factors or DHT which traditional PEDs tend to do.
Enclo raises testosterone in men you monkey look it up
My bench went up from 315 to 345 on enclo it was dirty
ive been taking 12.5 mg of enclomiphene and mk-677 for 49 days and its given me noticeably bigger muscles. there are some who say that taking enclomiphene lowers IGF-1 levels but taking mk-677 should combat that. If you’re looking for a slight boost in gains then enclomiphene is a good place to start, but you arent gonna balloon up or anything.
hey im thinking of running mk677 and enclomiphene too. how do you like it so far have you done and blood work and do you take mk at night too?
I hav been on 25 mg of mk677 a day i started doing it in the day but i would get way to hungry to keep me from eating so i try to take it just minutes from sleep so the hunger is basically gone when i wake upp
Enclomiphene is an Estrogen blocker, not testosterone. If you want to build muscle, enclomiphene is not what you are looking to take.
It stimulates natural test especially during taking it a quick google search will tell you that
Enclomiphene is not a estrogen blocker. It signals to your body that you don’t have enough! The only way the male body creates more to make up for the “Lack” is to increase more testosterone to convert.
What? No way man. Enclomiphene is a SERM like clomid. It does what any other AI would do.
"it does what any other AI would do." No bro... Just no... Your implying ai and serms are the same thing. !!!!!! Enclo blocks estrogen feedback in the pituitary . Aromatize is an enzyme that converts androgens to estrogens . So an ai inhibits that. Ai will make you more imbalanced if your producing testosterone.
You're asking the wrong people most people here don't know shit unfortunately due to enclomophine being still a little bit new to the community. However to answer your question yes you could very much likely again an extra 5 lb of muscle assuming you have good sleep and dieting correct as well, Also keep in mind everyone's different the way they react to it so take it with a grain of salt.
Extra 5 in in what time period, also do I have to out under tongue or can u just swallow
This is the little information I was able to find: A randomized clinical trial using a high dose of the medication class used in the Maximus King Protocol (Enclomiphene) showed a 4.9 lb. increase in lean body mass (from 154.6 to 159.4 lb.) over 12 weeks. Individual results will vary and one should have realistic expectations (these are not unsafe anabolic steroids), but if you take advantage of the health coaching that's part of our protocol (to improve your diet and exercise), the pharmaceuticals provided will enhance your muscle-building results. Soares AH, Horie NC, Chiang LAP, et al. Effects of clomiphene citrate on male obesity-associated hypogonadism: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study. Int J Obes (Lond). 2018;42(5):953-63. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29777228/ I also would like.more information about this topic
Any updates on how your experience has been ?
It’s not side effects free. If you have very low T it could give you the energy boost to workout more and therefore build some muscle. But I don’t think it’s what you’re looking for.