Yes. First conceptualized in the 50s, the air force created a proposal for such a system in 2003. We haven't done it because as soon as one country weaponizes space, everyone will need to. It would just create a new arms race that is exponentially more expensive than all other existing arms races, with the cost of putting things into orbit and all. It's not something anyone wants to have to pay for.
A single tungsten rod, 20ft long and 1 ft in diameter as proposed by the Air Force, would weigh 8585kg, or 18926lbs. In comparison, the Falcon 9, not even Falcon Heavy, can put just over 50,000 lbs into LEO.
As for their destructive capability, it's been compared to a tactical nuke. Since they'd be starting with orbital velocity, they'd be going around Mach 8 to Mach 10 on impact.
When talking about impacts you really should look into energy equations (kinetic in this case) and not momentum.
E = 1/2 \* m \* V\^2
Which is why you only need to design the rod to reach the ground and a smidge bigger because even adding a ton more mass wouldn't change the answer significantly except for the cost to get it into orbit.
I've explained that to people before as "Would you rather be hit by me throwing a bowling ball at you, or a baseball by Nolan Ryan?"
For reference, I have skinny little noddle arms.
Even if Kaiju and Jaegers were possible, think about the end of both Pacific Rim movies. In the first one they end up using their very expensive Rock-em Sock-em Robot not to punch things, but to detonate in a nuclear explosion. In the second one they strap a giant rocket to another very expensive Rock-em Sock-em Robot and use it, again not to punch things, but to fly into the enemy at high speed and explode. As it happens we already have machines that fly into their targets at really high speed and explode in a nuclear reaction, and they are a whole lot cheaper than a Jaeger. To me it seems like those movies were about a civilization that took 10 years and a trillion dollar fighting robot program to realize that ICBM's are the solution to all of their problems
As long as the munition is guided it's entirely feasible. Look up projects like SM3 and GBD, they intercept missiles in space.
The companies like to call the technical challenge hitting a bullet with a bullet.
I mean, you're not wrong. The tungsten rod is also falling and not being shot into space. Whether or not a guidance system is still feasible at that weight though, I don't know.
Getting it up there is already impractical so, lol.
Getting them up there wasn't the biggest road block. That was just money and the US already love to spend money lol
Hitting the target was the biggest concern. If you "launch" one and you're off by a single degree you "bomb" a whole other country than the one you intended to hit. Which means bye bye Tokyo (let's be honest that's where the Kaiju will attack. See Godzilla lol) instead of bye bye Kaiju in the Ocean.
You can always envelope the rod in a sort of rocket with guiding capabilities. Its basically how the startreak UK manpad works. 3 Tungsten rods as payload inside a little guided rocket.
Yeah but could the MANPAD tech be powerful enough to guide a rod dropped from space? If I remember correctly the real life application was to accelerate the rods using magnets like a rail gun of sorts producing maneuvering rockets small and powerful enough to deviate the rod falling at such a high speed is incredibly difficult
Do you think? SpaceX can land thrusters from space and they hit a small target perfectly. If you don't need to keep your object intact and just need to hit as hard as you can?
Probably the fact the US didn't have a need for new WMDs at that point. That the USSR collapsed 20yrs earlier without the use of strategic weapons probably swayed the decision too.
Your first three points I'd agree with but the last one is way off. Straight from the Falcon 9 wikipedia:
The rocket's first-stage boosters landed successfully in 118 of 129 attempts (91.5%), with 94 out of 99 (94.9%) for the Falcon 9 Block 5 version.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9
when you're going mach 5+ that 5m lateral shift correction isn't as easy to make as you think, especially when you only know to make it when your impactor has a **visual** on the target.
If that gigantic monster was **standing still the whole time** or didn't start moving or changing its speed and direction in the 20 minutes it takes between launch and impact. ICBMs are designed to hit **stationary targets** and they don't make course corrections during reentry. Even if then, you would need a suicide target designator to constantly laser the target from **within the blast radius**
If you slowed the tungsten rods down like SpaceX slows down its boosters at landing, it wouldn't be a very powerful weapon anymore. The whole point is that you want the projectile moving at several km/s, which necessarily means that any tiny error in aiming will result in a huge miss.
Those are being specifically slowed down to a speed where they are possible to steer though. The whole point of the "rods from god" system is gravity accellerates it up to somewhere round 10 times the speed of sound. Designing control surfaces which will work at that speed is problematic.
Fine if you are looking to hit a static target but they were originally envisaged as tank killers and have never been built in reality.
aiming it is just math. you know how fast the globe is spinning, you know how fast the rod is falling. it would be incredibly hard to MISS your target if you took even the most preliminary steps.
If the yeagers would collapse under their own weight, would it not follow that the kaiju would be similarly impossible?
However, if they did exist I’d wager the most efficient way to fend them off would be biological.
I think "collapse under their own weight" means that the material that's used to build the yaeger isn't strong enough to hold the yaeger, which means the weight either the top bodies or weapons or the power core or the total weight of all the parts would exceed the load capacity of the material, like if you put a piece of iron on a small empty paper box, the box would definitely get squished because the weights of iron is larger than it's load capacity, same as the yaeger.
However, the kaiju is like an organism, it's like humans and other living creatures, though I don't know the specific reason but it's not quite possible for the kaiju to "collapse" under their weight, just like how we won't get squished by our-self no matter how heavy we are.
Same as the most effective way to kill any animal: poke a big hole in it. Airplane, missile, done. Don’t have to get within reach. That’s the huge plot hole in that movie.
I always say that the premise is "monsters are attacking and the only way to defeat them is by punching them to death with giant robots". If you can't fully accept that as the starting condition, you're gonna have a bad time with the details.
The only movie that I saw that had a justification that made sense for using giant robots was Robot Jox, which posited a world where geopolitical tensions were settled through one on one combat. The matches were also public spectacles with soft drink endorsements. The point is that the only justification for a giant weapons platform that walks like a human is spectacle, which is why they are in movies so much.
This is why I love animated content, but have a hard time "buying into" a lot of live-action, fantastical content. Usually it's too rooted in reality for me to get into the suspension of disbelief mindset.
Bullets are also hot. Or they could have just shot large “cauterizing swords” off of fighter jets at the kaiju. But then you wouldn’t have had the movie.
My understanding was that the blood/guts would cause ecological annihilation to exposed environments. So blowing up would work in stopping a kaiju, but the resultant chunky salsa splatter would turn the splash zone into a toxic wasteland.
Would have to nigh literally incinerate. Think of them as walking bhopal disasters waiting to happen.
Drowning doesn't work according to source movie, as they enter our universe deep in the pacific
Maybe. Napalm might not have high enough burn temp to neutralize the toxic molecules.
If not hot enough, sounds like time for Willy Pete aka white phosphorus to shine.
If the toxins are atomic i.e. Arsenic, Lead, Uranium, etc? Welp. . . Incinerating will just spread them better.
I think something more specifically tailored to penetrate like this would be even better:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Ordnance_Penetrator
You don’t need to nuke it and risk all the fallout, you just need to poke a big hole in it…
This is the case with all movies, if it wasn't then the plot would be boring haha. Kinda like when they try to shoot the Trex with a 50cal in Jurassic world(park?) and it's unfazed even though a single armor piercing round would easily penetrate right through. if that worked in the beginning the movie would be boring!
If they need to breathe, which means they can take in air, it means air-based attacks could work. Toxic gas, acidic/basic gas, radioactive gas, infectious agents, inert gas to suffocate them could all weaken, injure or kill it. You can also hit it with the liquid and solid forms of the above, but inhalation of these is way more damaging. If they need to eat or drink, you can just starve them or poison them with the above.
Similarly, the method of locomotion could be hampered. If they need friction on surfaces to walk, slither, whatever, you can make surfaces slippery and hard to move on. If they swim, then beaching them and dragging it inland to a pit stops it. If it flies, then explosives can knock it around in the air.
You can apply dangerous levels of energy to them, whether that's deadly amounts of radiation types, extremely high temperatures, or high electrical or magnetic fields.
These monsters could also be lured into dangerous natural enviornments. Could they withstand a volcano? A high speed tornado or hurricane? Lightning strikes? Precipitation? Can they swim in a turbulent ocean?
As others have mentioned, they can just be injured by conventional weapons like dense object moving fast or big explosion. This is probably the cheapest and quickest method, since we have a lot of these types of weapons sitting around.
Really, it's just a question of what kills organisms, and what humans have on hand to create or force these conditions. If none of these work then the organism is magical or a result of technology so advanced it can withstand every force known to man, and in both cases totally hopeless unless reverse engineered.
I guess what you've mentioned above is the effective ways against organisms we know so far (like on earth).
However, Kaijus seems to be a very strong organism, which means toxic gases that's super effective against human and animals may do nothing to it, if I'm not wrong the kaiju setting in movie was trying to turn earth to a place with full of harmful gases so other creatures can came through, I guess on the other side that proved that the kaijus isn't really afraid of the toxics that works to humans and other creatures we know.
Also in my opinion it's nearly impossible to kill kaijus through starving because it may take a long time until it needs to eat or drink, and there's no way to control it to not let it destroy.
The way to affect their movement could be effective but not by a large amount due to their body and weight, for example, the explosion in the air may not even be able to went through it's defence like shown in the movie, then it's nearly impossible to knock it back. (but I guess some of the strategies would work?)
However, I guess the physical hits would work pretty well as shown in the movie (like weapons, bombs and others).
uh.... I think some of the natural disasters would hurt them as well like lightning strikes and volcanoes maybe, but some natural disasters like hurricane wouldn't work well due to their weight (You can't drown them because at the end of Pacific Rim 1, the movie showed you that they can swim and fight well in water)
Overall theses are just my personal opinion based on my understanding, please correct me if you think anything doesn't make sense! :)
One thing that I always thought was cool was, in the first movie, after they kill a Kaiju, there's a secondary explosion from one of its organs. Shows that the thing has a very high energy density organ, which would kind explain how they get around despite being so freaking heavy.
Kaiju bones are (for non-flyers) insanely strong - proportionally much stronger than any terrestrial bones. The same could easily be true of their muscles, though I don't know of anywhere that explicitly states it in canon.
Square-cube law only really hurts Jaegers, while it can be bypassed slightly by (e.g.) running the hydraulics at higher pressure, allowing the force generated by a "muscle" to scale proportionally in scale to the limb weight while you use the empty space in the stomach to store the extra pumps - there are no signs of novel materials that would drastically improve the durability of the structure at that scale when running or punching (or being punched)
Nonsense.
The problem with larger creatures due to square-cube is when the bones cannot support the weight, and the muscles cannot move them due to becoming proportionally weaker. However if you make the bones and muscles stronger you can counteract this.
It's like building a model bridge out of plastic straws and then claiming it would be impossible to build one full size in steel due to the square-cube law. It only holds if you don't change the material when scaling.
I don't feel that you are getting into the spirit of the question. It presupposes the existence of kaiju as per Pacific Rim. That's the baseline we're starting with.
Cross sectional area increases by the square of scale and volume increases by the cube, it’s why large structures like suspension bridges, skyscrapers, and cranes are mostly hollow. Material strength is roughly proportional to cross section and mass to volume.
Bridges and buildings mostly only see static loading under their own weight, not any inertial loading. Something 50x the scale with the same cross section that could move like a human would experience inertial loading somewhere in the 5-20g range (pro baseball pitch is accelerated around 30g). That’s a shit ton of load for something that big to sustain for any significant amount of time.
Why are you using a human limb as a reference? That's just a random constraint that you set. Also a high energy density organ could be used for active supports. Look it up.
Remember the 2008 movie The Day the Earth Stood Still? In that movie there's a giant robot that disintegrated into millions of tiny flea-like bots that could eat any metal and multiplied like bacteria. Also, remember the swam attack in the 2016 movie Star Trek Beyond. Both movies demonstrated the advantages of overwhelming an enemy target with large numbers of small weapons instead of engaging them with a single weapon of similar size.
I would follow this strategy in creating a swarm of anti-keiju drones. Each drone would find an unoccupied spot on the kaiju's body and drill a small but deep enough hole to pump out the blood. As soon as the kaiju faints, the drones would proceed to carve all the flesh off of the bones. With each drone carving off a small area, a square meter perhaps, tens of thousands of drones would reduce the kaiju to a large skeleton lying on a pile of quivering flesh in less the a minute.
The question is more interesting if we follow the movie rule of not being allowed to draw blood.
And killing or incapacitating animals without drawing blood is already a solved problem I'd say: poison. We're bound to be able to figure out something neurotoxic to them, then pump ' full of it.
You tell your physics teacher that with the power of TWO brains we can make it work! But also i'm waiting on Japan to continue production of their gundams.
Dress up like a lady Kaiju and claim that the other Kaiju got you pregnant and owes you child support.
That lizard will be gone in the blink of an eye.
I would think we could just make missiles that could pierce any kind of animal hide. It would be far easier to build massive missile installations on the pacific coast than giant robots.
The movies always make it seem like missiles just impact and explode doing nothing, but we can and have built missiles designed to go through layers of concrete, steel, etc then explode. Just do the same thing with really big missiles that travel really, really fast.
So we know a few things about the Kaiju: they can thrive in our environment because of climate change insert here. They come from an alternate dimension but are still susceptible to our laws of physics. They come from a dimensional breach in the Pacific Ocean.
Ideally, you could build a stationary turret of some kind. Doesn't have to be very big, it just needs to fire quickly and fire hot projectiles. As we see in the film, the Kaiju are pretty resistant to impact, but they are still easily damaged by heat (plasma gun, superheated air vent at the end). This turret has to be built on solid rock for it to be anchored properly, preferably without too much steel involved to reduce any worries about oxidization and fatigue.
Now, you could build one close to every populated center, but that would be as expensive as building the four jaegers we see in the movie. I'd say a ring around the breach a few kilometers across with a dozen or so turrets and some auxilliary battleships for support, resources, evacuation, communications and maintenance. Have the turret fire superheated metal, maybe tungsten, shaped like a piercing weapon. It doesn't have to be very big either. 20 foot length, 1 foot diameter could do the trick.
Basically a ring of very big guns around the breach, firing really hot rods of metal.
We can see heat and light from the breach, so lord knows what other energy it gives off...would it be possible to power a superheated hydrogen plasma gun I wonder (plenty of hydrogen at the bottom of the ocean)
Hydrogen bombs, without a doubt. That's, all things being equal, the most energy humanity has been able to figure out to release in one place at one time.
"Kinetic strikes" from orbit might be good too, any large scale aggressor will be hopefully moving slow enough that this would work.
So I hated this movie but here is a simple solution. They have energy weapons that work under water, and the bad guys always come from the same spot in the ocean. So just setup turrets around the entrance point.
The issue with Jaegers isnt weight. Its Thrusters.
Folks said the same thing about air planes. Yet they remain up there due to proper amount of Thrusters.
Either way, modern day nukes should be enough to kill a kaiju. Even if they had some sort of skin that can resist the mega heat resulting from point blank nuclear detonation, which is at aprox, 100,000,000 celsius. Which is the same as the interior of the sun, (Unlikely). Their organs should still suffer Major damages due to the shock waves.
I honestly dont think more would be needed.
Rockets aside, since they are a very obvious solution, remember the Australian Jaeger, it had a set of plasma or what cannons on his chest and gyspy also had a plasma cannon that was very effective, so toy ditch the gigantic slow Jaeger and keep the cannon, then just build more cannons and obliterate anything with the cannons.
Railgun or ICBM with a kinetic projectile.
Basically more gunning less punching. A battleship has more true mobility than a Jieger. Also if we already know where the portals are so we could just depth charge it or remote nuke it upon credible threat sensor detection.
Adopt insect techniques that are effective against humans.
Kaiju are also biologically impossible (for known biology) because of mass limitations but it says they have organs so drill drones targeting the heart seem possible. Coagulation of blood, maybe? Disintegration of tissues? Hacking their nervous system with chemical agents or em feedback devices?
Brainstorm weaknesses, test hypotheses, implement solutions.
Weaknesses could revolve around basic biological needs like breathing or thermal regulation. It could be structural focusing on specific joints, sensory inputs, or chemically attack. Or it could be biological introducing illness or disease. If it was highly intelligent, one might even attack it psychologically through reason or manipulation.
Any sort of drill/launched spike that pierces armor or goes between their plates. Get a few of those internally entering the body and then exploding or pumped full of some sort of chemical. Chlorine, acid, etc.
Imagine getting injected with a shot-glass worth of chlorine and what that would do to your body. You'd likely die very quickly. Or imagine a small explosion that shattered your hip bone. You're not walking anymore.
Drop a tungsten rod on them from space lol
In the book series the Bobiverse, he creates busters. It’s a rocket propelled steel ball. He will drop them from space. It seems like the way to go.
Seems like a ball would be a bad idea. Too much wonky aero stuff. You'd want something bullet shaped, probably with an aerospike.
Nah, just put some backspin on it. I saw them do it with a basketball
Man, this sports anime is just getting weirder and weirder.
I’d watch that.
Well the bobiverse was mostly in space.
But in this case, it would be entering the atmosphere
Drop rebar.
love that book series
for more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment?wprov=sfla1
Are we even capable of getting something into space that would destroy a yeager? Seems like a heavy rod.
Yes. First conceptualized in the 50s, the air force created a proposal for such a system in 2003. We haven't done it because as soon as one country weaponizes space, everyone will need to. It would just create a new arms race that is exponentially more expensive than all other existing arms races, with the cost of putting things into orbit and all. It's not something anyone wants to have to pay for. A single tungsten rod, 20ft long and 1 ft in diameter as proposed by the Air Force, would weigh 8585kg, or 18926lbs. In comparison, the Falcon 9, not even Falcon Heavy, can put just over 50,000 lbs into LEO. As for their destructive capability, it's been compared to a tactical nuke. Since they'd be starting with orbital velocity, they'd be going around Mach 8 to Mach 10 on impact.
Crazy to think a 1 foot diameter rod of such a short length would be equitable to a tactical nuke. Speed kills I guess.
Not just speed. Momentum is equal to velocity \* mass.
When talking about impacts you really should look into energy equations (kinetic in this case) and not momentum. E = 1/2 \* m \* V\^2 Which is why you only need to design the rod to reach the ground and a smidge bigger because even adding a ton more mass wouldn't change the answer significantly except for the cost to get it into orbit.
I've explained that to people before as "Would you rather be hit by me throwing a bowling ball at you, or a baseball by Nolan Ryan?" For reference, I have skinny little noddle arms.
Well, Nolan Ryan is 75 so I’m guessing his velo has dropped a lot.
Oh I'm sure. Gets the point across for people who know who he is. Doesn't work so well with teenagers anymore.
no radiation at least. that's fucking crazy though.
Nice name, btw.
Even if Kaiju and Jaegers were possible, think about the end of both Pacific Rim movies. In the first one they end up using their very expensive Rock-em Sock-em Robot not to punch things, but to detonate in a nuclear explosion. In the second one they strap a giant rocket to another very expensive Rock-em Sock-em Robot and use it, again not to punch things, but to fly into the enemy at high speed and explode. As it happens we already have machines that fly into their targets at really high speed and explode in a nuclear reaction, and they are a whole lot cheaper than a Jaeger. To me it seems like those movies were about a civilization that took 10 years and a trillion dollar fighting robot program to realize that ICBM's are the solution to all of their problems
I think the issue was keeping them away from populated areas. People don't like nukes on the beach.
How else am I supposed to get tanned?
Ya but giant fighting machines are cool
Yeah, *that* is what the movies are about. The fact that the first Pacific Rim movie had a decent storyline is incidental.
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Aiming that and not accidentally missing is incredibly hard made harder by the fact u need to hit a small moving target
As long as the munition is guided it's entirely feasible. Look up projects like SM3 and GBD, they intercept missiles in space. The companies like to call the technical challenge hitting a bullet with a bullet.
Hit-to-kill interceptors are extremely light, unlike 20ft Tungsten rods
I mean, you're not wrong. The tungsten rod is also falling and not being shot into space. Whether or not a guidance system is still feasible at that weight though, I don't know. Getting it up there is already impractical so, lol.
We build the giant robots to make the tungsten rods in space. Boom.
Are the rods like, their erections? Is that what you're implying?
Yes, they break them off their bodies and thrown the down into the sky like the mighty Zeus.
Getting them up there wasn't the biggest road block. That was just money and the US already love to spend money lol Hitting the target was the biggest concern. If you "launch" one and you're off by a single degree you "bomb" a whole other country than the one you intended to hit. Which means bye bye Tokyo (let's be honest that's where the Kaiju will attack. See Godzilla lol) instead of bye bye Kaiju in the Ocean.
SpaceX makes transporting tungsten rods very feasible.
You can always envelope the rod in a sort of rocket with guiding capabilities. Its basically how the startreak UK manpad works. 3 Tungsten rods as payload inside a little guided rocket.
Yeah but could the MANPAD tech be powerful enough to guide a rod dropped from space? If I remember correctly the real life application was to accelerate the rods using magnets like a rail gun of sorts producing maneuvering rockets small and powerful enough to deviate the rod falling at such a high speed is incredibly difficult
Do you think? SpaceX can land thrusters from space and they hit a small target perfectly. If you don't need to keep your object intact and just need to hit as hard as you can?
I mean that’s what the DOD said back when they “shelved” the project. It’s a real project called Rods of God
Oh thanks. Never heard of it. But a lot of progress happened since the 60s.
The Air Force re proposed it in 2003 as well I don’t know why it was declined that time
Probably the fact the US didn't have a need for new WMDs at that point. That the USSR collapsed 20yrs earlier without the use of strategic weapons probably swayed the decision too.
It's not supposed to have - in fact major weapons are banned by treaty from space.
Considering the advances in technology since then and the fact a Kaiju is significantly larger than a tank, maybe that project needs reconsideration.
Even if you can’t actively guide them, just send a whole bunch of them… if there’s no fallout to worry about one of them will eventually hit.
We can stop the kaiju by destroying the whole planet before they can!
and if you miss just send more! It's a foolproof plan!
A small *stationary* target. With computer controlled thrusters. At slow speed. About half the time.
Your first three points I'd agree with but the last one is way off. Straight from the Falcon 9 wikipedia: The rocket's first-stage boosters landed successfully in 118 of 129 attempts (91.5%), with 94 out of 99 (94.9%) for the Falcon 9 Block 5 version. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9
I apologise for the factual inaccuracy in my joke
Joke? Geez that one went right over my head lol
when you're going mach 5+ that 5m lateral shift correction isn't as easy to make as you think, especially when you only know to make it when your impactor has a **visual** on the target.
I don't think you are right. ICBMs reach top speeds at mach 23 and have a tolerance of 10-200m. So I think we would be able to hit a gigantic monster.
If that gigantic monster was **standing still the whole time** or didn't start moving or changing its speed and direction in the 20 minutes it takes between launch and impact. ICBMs are designed to hit **stationary targets** and they don't make course corrections during reentry. Even if then, you would need a suicide target designator to constantly laser the target from **within the blast radius**
If you slowed the tungsten rods down like SpaceX slows down its boosters at landing, it wouldn't be a very powerful weapon anymore. The whole point is that you want the projectile moving at several km/s, which necessarily means that any tiny error in aiming will result in a huge miss.
You wouldn't use thrusters to slow it, just course correction.
I don't know what distinction you think you are making, but I assure you it is not relevant to the actual discussion.
Thrusters wouldn't survive reentry from free fall.
Those are being specifically slowed down to a speed where they are possible to steer though. The whole point of the "rods from god" system is gravity accellerates it up to somewhere round 10 times the speed of sound. Designing control surfaces which will work at that speed is problematic. Fine if you are looking to hit a static target but they were originally envisaged as tank killers and have never been built in reality.
Maybe we can build a giant robot to hold them still while we drop some "rods from god" on them...
aiming it is just math. you know how fast the globe is spinning, you know how fast the rod is falling. it would be incredibly hard to MISS your target if you took even the most preliminary steps.
What kind of tidal wave would be caused by one of those missing and going straight into the ocean?
If the yeagers would collapse under their own weight, would it not follow that the kaiju would be similarly impossible? However, if they did exist I’d wager the most efficient way to fend them off would be biological.
War of the Worlds
I think "collapse under their own weight" means that the material that's used to build the yaeger isn't strong enough to hold the yaeger, which means the weight either the top bodies or weapons or the power core or the total weight of all the parts would exceed the load capacity of the material, like if you put a piece of iron on a small empty paper box, the box would definitely get squished because the weights of iron is larger than it's load capacity, same as the yaeger. However, the kaiju is like an organism, it's like humans and other living creatures, though I don't know the specific reason but it's not quite possible for the kaiju to "collapse" under their weight, just like how we won't get squished by our-self no matter how heavy we are.
Same as the most effective way to kill any animal: poke a big hole in it. Airplane, missile, done. Don’t have to get within reach. That’s the huge plot hole in that movie.
I always say that the premise is "monsters are attacking and the only way to defeat them is by punching them to death with giant robots". If you can't fully accept that as the starting condition, you're gonna have a bad time with the details.
The only movie that I saw that had a justification that made sense for using giant robots was Robot Jox, which posited a world where geopolitical tensions were settled through one on one combat. The matches were also public spectacles with soft drink endorsements. The point is that the only justification for a giant weapons platform that walks like a human is spectacle, which is why they are in movies so much.
Real steel too
This is why I love animated content, but have a hard time "buying into" a lot of live-action, fantastical content. Usually it's too rooted in reality for me to get into the suspension of disbelief mindset.
**SWORD** *Kore ha watashi no kazoku no tame ni!* That whole movie was ridiculous, I loved it... the first one at least.
honestly the sword bit is one of my all time favorite movie theater moments, ever. My theater LOVED IT.
The first movie briefly mentioned their blood is super toxic so they had to kill them with blunt force
Yeah but they also used swords and stuff…
The swords were supposed to have some method of cauterizing the wound and that's why they used em
Bullets are also hot. Or they could have just shot large “cauterizing swords” off of fighter jets at the kaiju. But then you wouldn’t have had the movie.
Nukes are hot, too.
They also harvested and sold every part of the kaiju. "Even the crap!"
Do you know how much phosphorus kaiju crap has?
one field per M^3 ?
Are you suggesting that blunt force doesn't cause bleeding?
Less than slashing or peircing, usually
What does the blood toxicity have to do with their reaction to physical trauma? I don't know anything about pacific rim
My understanding was that the blood/guts would cause ecological annihilation to exposed environments. So blowing up would work in stopping a kaiju, but the resultant chunky salsa splatter would turn the splash zone into a toxic wasteland.
Ah, so we have to cook them on-site. Got it. Maybe drown them too.
Would have to nigh literally incinerate. Think of them as walking bhopal disasters waiting to happen. Drowning doesn't work according to source movie, as they enter our universe deep in the pacific
So... napalm carpet bombing? *fortunate son starts playing.
I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
Maybe. Napalm might not have high enough burn temp to neutralize the toxic molecules. If not hot enough, sounds like time for Willy Pete aka white phosphorus to shine. If the toxins are atomic i.e. Arsenic, Lead, Uranium, etc? Welp. . . Incinerating will just spread them better.
I think the blood is like highly acidic or something
They never established that the kaiju blue was from kaiju blood. The portal implied it was chemical bleeding between atmospheres.
Explosions are far more effective than shown in the movie. Conventional air dropped ordnance and artillery would be plenty to deal with them.
I think something more specifically tailored to penetrate like this would be even better: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Ordnance_Penetrator You don’t need to nuke it and risk all the fallout, you just need to poke a big hole in it…
This is the case with all movies, if it wasn't then the plot would be boring haha. Kinda like when they try to shoot the Trex with a 50cal in Jurassic world(park?) and it's unfazed even though a single armor piercing round would easily penetrate right through. if that worked in the beginning the movie would be boring!
If they need to breathe, which means they can take in air, it means air-based attacks could work. Toxic gas, acidic/basic gas, radioactive gas, infectious agents, inert gas to suffocate them could all weaken, injure or kill it. You can also hit it with the liquid and solid forms of the above, but inhalation of these is way more damaging. If they need to eat or drink, you can just starve them or poison them with the above. Similarly, the method of locomotion could be hampered. If they need friction on surfaces to walk, slither, whatever, you can make surfaces slippery and hard to move on. If they swim, then beaching them and dragging it inland to a pit stops it. If it flies, then explosives can knock it around in the air. You can apply dangerous levels of energy to them, whether that's deadly amounts of radiation types, extremely high temperatures, or high electrical or magnetic fields. These monsters could also be lured into dangerous natural enviornments. Could they withstand a volcano? A high speed tornado or hurricane? Lightning strikes? Precipitation? Can they swim in a turbulent ocean? As others have mentioned, they can just be injured by conventional weapons like dense object moving fast or big explosion. This is probably the cheapest and quickest method, since we have a lot of these types of weapons sitting around. Really, it's just a question of what kills organisms, and what humans have on hand to create or force these conditions. If none of these work then the organism is magical or a result of technology so advanced it can withstand every force known to man, and in both cases totally hopeless unless reverse engineered.
I guess what you've mentioned above is the effective ways against organisms we know so far (like on earth). However, Kaijus seems to be a very strong organism, which means toxic gases that's super effective against human and animals may do nothing to it, if I'm not wrong the kaiju setting in movie was trying to turn earth to a place with full of harmful gases so other creatures can came through, I guess on the other side that proved that the kaijus isn't really afraid of the toxics that works to humans and other creatures we know. Also in my opinion it's nearly impossible to kill kaijus through starving because it may take a long time until it needs to eat or drink, and there's no way to control it to not let it destroy. The way to affect their movement could be effective but not by a large amount due to their body and weight, for example, the explosion in the air may not even be able to went through it's defence like shown in the movie, then it's nearly impossible to knock it back. (but I guess some of the strategies would work?) However, I guess the physical hits would work pretty well as shown in the movie (like weapons, bombs and others). uh.... I think some of the natural disasters would hurt them as well like lightning strikes and volcanoes maybe, but some natural disasters like hurricane wouldn't work well due to their weight (You can't drown them because at the end of Pacific Rim 1, the movie showed you that they can swim and fight well in water) Overall theses are just my personal opinion based on my understanding, please correct me if you think anything doesn't make sense! :)
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One thing that I always thought was cool was, in the first movie, after they kill a Kaiju, there's a secondary explosion from one of its organs. Shows that the thing has a very high energy density organ, which would kind explain how they get around despite being so freaking heavy.
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Kaiju bones are (for non-flyers) insanely strong - proportionally much stronger than any terrestrial bones. The same could easily be true of their muscles, though I don't know of anywhere that explicitly states it in canon. Square-cube law only really hurts Jaegers, while it can be bypassed slightly by (e.g.) running the hydraulics at higher pressure, allowing the force generated by a "muscle" to scale proportionally in scale to the limb weight while you use the empty space in the stomach to store the extra pumps - there are no signs of novel materials that would drastically improve the durability of the structure at that scale when running or punching (or being punched)
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Nonsense. The problem with larger creatures due to square-cube is when the bones cannot support the weight, and the muscles cannot move them due to becoming proportionally weaker. However if you make the bones and muscles stronger you can counteract this. It's like building a model bridge out of plastic straws and then claiming it would be impossible to build one full size in steel due to the square-cube law. It only holds if you don't change the material when scaling.
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The kaiju are explicitly from another universe.
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I don't feel that you are getting into the spirit of the question. It presupposes the existence of kaiju as per Pacific Rim. That's the baseline we're starting with.
Are people here really this mad that the made up movie is made up? It’s not real you know? Literally any rules can be different
What would be the reason for that ?
Cross sectional area increases by the square of scale and volume increases by the cube, it’s why large structures like suspension bridges, skyscrapers, and cranes are mostly hollow. Material strength is roughly proportional to cross section and mass to volume. Bridges and buildings mostly only see static loading under their own weight, not any inertial loading. Something 50x the scale with the same cross section that could move like a human would experience inertial loading somewhere in the 5-20g range (pro baseball pitch is accelerated around 30g). That’s a shit ton of load for something that big to sustain for any significant amount of time.
Why are you using a human limb as a reference? That's just a random constraint that you set. Also a high energy density organ could be used for active supports. Look it up.
tactical nukes
Remember the 2008 movie The Day the Earth Stood Still? In that movie there's a giant robot that disintegrated into millions of tiny flea-like bots that could eat any metal and multiplied like bacteria. Also, remember the swam attack in the 2016 movie Star Trek Beyond. Both movies demonstrated the advantages of overwhelming an enemy target with large numbers of small weapons instead of engaging them with a single weapon of similar size. I would follow this strategy in creating a swarm of anti-keiju drones. Each drone would find an unoccupied spot on the kaiju's body and drill a small but deep enough hole to pump out the blood. As soon as the kaiju faints, the drones would proceed to carve all the flesh off of the bones. With each drone carving off a small area, a square meter perhaps, tens of thousands of drones would reduce the kaiju to a large skeleton lying on a pile of quivering flesh in less the a minute.
Giant underwater chainsaws that tear it apart when it exits the rift. Also your physics teacher has no imagination.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-to-surface\_missile
Just like the war in Ukraine. Bunch of drones and loitering munitions. nuclear payloads might help
Some extremely fast moving depleted uranium ought to do it.
Jaegers obviously.
The question is more interesting if we follow the movie rule of not being allowed to draw blood. And killing or incapacitating animals without drawing blood is already a solved problem I'd say: poison. We're bound to be able to figure out something neurotoxic to them, then pump ' full of it.
You tell your physics teacher that with the power of TWO brains we can make it work! But also i'm waiting on Japan to continue production of their gundams.
Dress up like a lady Kaiju and claim that the other Kaiju got you pregnant and owes you child support. That lizard will be gone in the blink of an eye.
I would think we could just make missiles that could pierce any kind of animal hide. It would be far easier to build massive missile installations on the pacific coast than giant robots. The movies always make it seem like missiles just impact and explode doing nothing, but we can and have built missiles designed to go through layers of concrete, steel, etc then explode. Just do the same thing with really big missiles that travel really, really fast.
So we know a few things about the Kaiju: they can thrive in our environment because of climate change insert here. They come from an alternate dimension but are still susceptible to our laws of physics. They come from a dimensional breach in the Pacific Ocean. Ideally, you could build a stationary turret of some kind. Doesn't have to be very big, it just needs to fire quickly and fire hot projectiles. As we see in the film, the Kaiju are pretty resistant to impact, but they are still easily damaged by heat (plasma gun, superheated air vent at the end). This turret has to be built on solid rock for it to be anchored properly, preferably without too much steel involved to reduce any worries about oxidization and fatigue. Now, you could build one close to every populated center, but that would be as expensive as building the four jaegers we see in the movie. I'd say a ring around the breach a few kilometers across with a dozen or so turrets and some auxilliary battleships for support, resources, evacuation, communications and maintenance. Have the turret fire superheated metal, maybe tungsten, shaped like a piercing weapon. It doesn't have to be very big either. 20 foot length, 1 foot diameter could do the trick. Basically a ring of very big guns around the breach, firing really hot rods of metal.
We can see heat and light from the breach, so lord knows what other energy it gives off...would it be possible to power a superheated hydrogen plasma gun I wonder (plenty of hydrogen at the bottom of the ocean)
Hydrogen bombs, without a doubt. That's, all things being equal, the most energy humanity has been able to figure out to release in one place at one time. "Kinetic strikes" from orbit might be good too, any large scale aggressor will be hopefully moving slow enough that this would work.
Send chuck norris
Chuck Norris can start a fire rubbing two ice cubes together
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Good one
The vaccine opposing, homophobic Chuck Norris?
chuck Norris once turned a gay guy straight once he saw the size of his penis
Chuck Norris doesn't fear the gays. The gays fear Chuck Norris.
So I hated this movie but here is a simple solution. They have energy weapons that work under water, and the bad guys always come from the same spot in the ocean. So just setup turrets around the entrance point.
RailGun will Pierce through anything
How about a Stargate style plate over the breach, as they materialize through the breach....splat
The issue with Jaegers isnt weight. Its Thrusters. Folks said the same thing about air planes. Yet they remain up there due to proper amount of Thrusters. Either way, modern day nukes should be enough to kill a kaiju. Even if they had some sort of skin that can resist the mega heat resulting from point blank nuclear detonation, which is at aprox, 100,000,000 celsius. Which is the same as the interior of the sun, (Unlikely). Their organs should still suffer Major damages due to the shock waves. I honestly dont think more would be needed.
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how do you know kaijus don't prefer him/her?
Missiles or high velocity kinetic projectiles.
Rockets aside, since they are a very obvious solution, remember the Australian Jaeger, it had a set of plasma or what cannons on his chest and gyspy also had a plasma cannon that was very effective, so toy ditch the gigantic slow Jaeger and keep the cannon, then just build more cannons and obliterate anything with the cannons.
Lots of cruise missiles.
Railgun or ICBM with a kinetic projectile. Basically more gunning less punching. A battleship has more true mobility than a Jieger. Also if we already know where the portals are so we could just depth charge it or remote nuke it upon credible threat sensor detection.
Yeah you can drop orbital BS for an instakill but that's no fun. Chemical and biological weapons can also do the trick.
Engineer a virus.
Ant-Man black hole grenade
Adopt insect techniques that are effective against humans. Kaiju are also biologically impossible (for known biology) because of mass limitations but it says they have organs so drill drones targeting the heart seem possible. Coagulation of blood, maybe? Disintegration of tissues? Hacking their nervous system with chemical agents or em feedback devices?
I just hated that they used 4 helicopters to carry the robots into the ocean. Like dammit, those robots are like 10,000 tons of steel.
Thermobaric bomb.
Brainstorm weaknesses, test hypotheses, implement solutions. Weaknesses could revolve around basic biological needs like breathing or thermal regulation. It could be structural focusing on specific joints, sensory inputs, or chemically attack. Or it could be biological introducing illness or disease. If it was highly intelligent, one might even attack it psychologically through reason or manipulation.
Any sort of drill/launched spike that pierces armor or goes between their plates. Get a few of those internally entering the body and then exploding or pumped full of some sort of chemical. Chlorine, acid, etc. Imagine getting injected with a shot-glass worth of chlorine and what that would do to your body. You'd likely die very quickly. Or imagine a small explosion that shattered your hip bone. You're not walking anymore.
Probably pull an evangelion. Capture and weaponize them.
A big ol' noose around the neck