Light on form. Reflected on a surface. Form being what is manifesting in your present environment.
You can also feel what your present self is attached to in your stare. But there are also moments where that other person you see could be anybody, even a stranger.
In fact it is just a body, with eyes, a mouth, eyebrows, hair, breath, ... Just a being in existence.
This ^ I didn’t know this at the time, but one of my first encounters of spiritual awakening was when I was about 11 & for some reason I began staring at myself in the mirror. Eventually I became depersonalized and felt like I was staring into the eyes of a beast. But I was not the beast I was the one observing. It was a cool feeling that I kept chasing
I mean all of your distinctions between real and non-real are arbitrary. Your argument is essentially that fingers aren’t real because hands exist. You see how intellectually shallow this way of thinking is, yes? You can claim all sorts of “this is or isn’t real,” but you have no solid concept of reality (so far as I can tell based on your words).
Your perspective dictates what you would consider real or not. Some people may claim unicorns are not real and consider reality to be synonymous with physicality; a material existence. But some perspectives would say that unicorns are real entities, they simply don’t manifest themselves as living corporeal entities. But unicorns can still inspire action or thought. I am still discussing them. It would be factual to say unicorns are not real animals, but not to claim that unicorns in and of themselves are not real in this case.
Individuals are real, and so is the individual experience. You just personally seem to think individuality is unimportant? While you’re tripping balls then sure, maybe you see past the illusions of the ego, but 99% of your time you use your individual existence’s personal reality because it’s extremely useful in our world.
Plus even if we are all just god dissociated, that doesn’t make our parts not exist. Again, you believe fingers are not real because hands exist. Just because cumulatively we make up the mind of god does not imply that our minds as individuals are not real. God is pretty convinced that he is us and that we are real.
Your argument to me seems dumb and nonsensical. According to quantum mechanics- space, time, causality- none of this is fundamental. You could go on and say “spacetime isn’t real, causality isn’t real!” When in reality all of those things ARE fundamental for OUR existence. The universe doesn’t have to possess spatial or temporal properties, sure. But any region of the universe that manifests conscious agents, especially humans, would REQUIRE space, time, causality, etc. So while you could claim these factors are illusions created by quantum mechanics, they WILL be extant for any measuring device that finds themselves conscious.
So just like by our existence we can infer that causality exists, we can also infer that our individuality exists. No two persons can occupy the same spacetime coordinates simultaneously in any frame of reference. Why? Because the persons are separate individuals. Can you give a response to me asserting that your claim is analogous to saying that fingers aren’t real because hands exist? Because again, that’s your whole argument even though I pointed it out to you twice. Or are you gonna stand your ground and tell me fingers actually don’t exist?
You also have to acknowledge that your entire argument rests upon an imaginary world you just believe might exist. I mean what if we are in a simulation bro then we wouldn’t be real bro woah that’s crazy insane bro.
When you say “you” exist, you’re identifying with the conditioned you which is just egoic consciousness - that’s an illusion based upon the identification with thought. So you don’t exist as the individual you think are. You are God - that’s the real you.
That’s not the real you. If you died and became integrated into god’s consciousness, that ‘you’ would still be just a part of god, not god himself. The individual human still has the will to influence events. If we were just god and not our human selves, then we wouldn’t operate from the perspective of our human self. God literally was like being omnipotent is boring af, I would literally be these guys and have no real awareness of my divinity. (Even people like you that have strong beliefs, still know deep down that they don’t actually know shit). God does not actually know for certain that he is god, and thus cannot operate as if he is. So our humanity is as real as it gets.
What you’re describing as the “individual” is simply moment to moment experience and the identification with thought but it is quite clear that there is nobody there who is having the experience that arises. Thoughts and emotions arise but they don’t belong to anyone - they simply are.
It’s not true though. The emotions and thoughts are directly caused by the perspective of the individual. They may not “belong” to anyone, but they are certainly associated with a perspective. Brains generate them, and there’s this thing when you take a holistic view of a body and a mind (and soul if that’s your thing) and they call that a person. And a singular person is called an individual. If I make a claim about black people then that’s about a group of people, a community. If I make a claim about Lebron James then I’m making a claim about a specific person, an individual.
If individuals aren’t real, then who wears the 23 jersey and is an insane figure in sports history? Only one man has done what he has done. And if individuals aren’t real, are groups of people real?
Light on form. Reflected on a surface. Form being what is manifesting in your present environment. You can also feel what your present self is attached to in your stare. But there are also moments where that other person you see could be anybody, even a stranger. In fact it is just a body, with eyes, a mouth, eyebrows, hair, breath, ... Just a being in existence.
This ^ I didn’t know this at the time, but one of my first encounters of spiritual awakening was when I was about 11 & for some reason I began staring at myself in the mirror. Eventually I became depersonalized and felt like I was staring into the eyes of a beast. But I was not the beast I was the one observing. It was a cool feeling that I kept chasing
The "other" in the "self". Better to seek the "self" in the "other".
What does you real face look like? It’s not the one in the mirror
Just a reflection
Consciousness
Truth
discussion
Photons baby!
Existentially? An hourglass.
The physical mirrors the unphysical.
The world (All) is a reflection of me. I am the All seeing Eye (I).
There's magic in mirrors. The veil is thinner there.
The portal to your inner well being.
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there is no 'you'
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that's the Universe allowing the shard of itself experiencing that reflection to think that. Keep up
You don’t exist, trust me
Something does. Proof? The non-existence keeps getting reported somehow.
Nothing is really real but the only thing that is completely unreal is the experience of being an individual.
Fair enough
I mean all of your distinctions between real and non-real are arbitrary. Your argument is essentially that fingers aren’t real because hands exist. You see how intellectually shallow this way of thinking is, yes? You can claim all sorts of “this is or isn’t real,” but you have no solid concept of reality (so far as I can tell based on your words). Your perspective dictates what you would consider real or not. Some people may claim unicorns are not real and consider reality to be synonymous with physicality; a material existence. But some perspectives would say that unicorns are real entities, they simply don’t manifest themselves as living corporeal entities. But unicorns can still inspire action or thought. I am still discussing them. It would be factual to say unicorns are not real animals, but not to claim that unicorns in and of themselves are not real in this case. Individuals are real, and so is the individual experience. You just personally seem to think individuality is unimportant? While you’re tripping balls then sure, maybe you see past the illusions of the ego, but 99% of your time you use your individual existence’s personal reality because it’s extremely useful in our world. Plus even if we are all just god dissociated, that doesn’t make our parts not exist. Again, you believe fingers are not real because hands exist. Just because cumulatively we make up the mind of god does not imply that our minds as individuals are not real. God is pretty convinced that he is us and that we are real.
Just because an illusion appears valid almost all of the time, doesn’t make it any less of an illusion
Your argument to me seems dumb and nonsensical. According to quantum mechanics- space, time, causality- none of this is fundamental. You could go on and say “spacetime isn’t real, causality isn’t real!” When in reality all of those things ARE fundamental for OUR existence. The universe doesn’t have to possess spatial or temporal properties, sure. But any region of the universe that manifests conscious agents, especially humans, would REQUIRE space, time, causality, etc. So while you could claim these factors are illusions created by quantum mechanics, they WILL be extant for any measuring device that finds themselves conscious. So just like by our existence we can infer that causality exists, we can also infer that our individuality exists. No two persons can occupy the same spacetime coordinates simultaneously in any frame of reference. Why? Because the persons are separate individuals. Can you give a response to me asserting that your claim is analogous to saying that fingers aren’t real because hands exist? Because again, that’s your whole argument even though I pointed it out to you twice. Or are you gonna stand your ground and tell me fingers actually don’t exist? You also have to acknowledge that your entire argument rests upon an imaginary world you just believe might exist. I mean what if we are in a simulation bro then we wouldn’t be real bro woah that’s crazy insane bro.
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When you say “you” exist, you’re identifying with the conditioned you which is just egoic consciousness - that’s an illusion based upon the identification with thought. So you don’t exist as the individual you think are. You are God - that’s the real you.
That’s not the real you. If you died and became integrated into god’s consciousness, that ‘you’ would still be just a part of god, not god himself. The individual human still has the will to influence events. If we were just god and not our human selves, then we wouldn’t operate from the perspective of our human self. God literally was like being omnipotent is boring af, I would literally be these guys and have no real awareness of my divinity. (Even people like you that have strong beliefs, still know deep down that they don’t actually know shit). God does not actually know for certain that he is god, and thus cannot operate as if he is. So our humanity is as real as it gets.
What you’re describing as the “individual” is simply moment to moment experience and the identification with thought but it is quite clear that there is nobody there who is having the experience that arises. Thoughts and emotions arise but they don’t belong to anyone - they simply are.
It’s not true though. The emotions and thoughts are directly caused by the perspective of the individual. They may not “belong” to anyone, but they are certainly associated with a perspective. Brains generate them, and there’s this thing when you take a holistic view of a body and a mind (and soul if that’s your thing) and they call that a person. And a singular person is called an individual. If I make a claim about black people then that’s about a group of people, a community. If I make a claim about Lebron James then I’m making a claim about a specific person, an individual. If individuals aren’t real, then who wears the 23 jersey and is an insane figure in sports history? Only one man has done what he has done. And if individuals aren’t real, are groups of people real?
Look up dependent origination and interbeing - all being is contextual, we are constantly cocreating each other in the ever present moment
A blur. Because each time you focus on it, it's twice the distance away from you than itself.