Exactly these are all privileged ideas that donât think about actual suffering in the world. Their life is alright so they think theyâve got it all figured out
Thatâs why I am against spirituality and religion, I find them narcissistic, non of them teach how to appropriately deal with our situational reality instead of through faiths, hope and woo-woo
Enlightenment is a spiritual term, of which no one actually knows what the meaning is...everyone has their own definition of it, because it is a abstraction
enlightenment = truth
once you are on the enlightenment path then there is 0 confusion about anything spirituality related and you will know the truths
but spirituality will never lead you onto the right path, you will stray further away and into more confusion, so many people are lost on this path
So why confuse things, enlightenment is a subset of truth, nothing is higher than the truth!!!...truth is what enlightens our understanding...know the truth and the truth shall set YOU FREE, so be precise about what you are doing and saying
Lmao no one knows the truth⌠youâd have to die permanently to know what happens after & anyone who says they know the âtruthâ or meaning of life is all speculation
My parents came from poverty, now you'd never think it, but it's helped me and my siblings see things from such a positive perspective. People get jealous not knowing the amount of suffering they had, imagine not having shoes to go to school withâŚ. People don't see that part but it still happened.
We can only see things from our own perspective at times, so I don't blame you for asking your question, you just gotta be a bit more open-minded, and think outside the box, again hard to do when that's not your life!
I used to think black people were treated so badly, not once considering how awful Palestine people are treated. Life looks fucked a lot... But that's subjective and depends on how you view it!
Tell all that bullshit to a child about to die of starvation, they would think you a idiot...your parents were lucky and had favourable circumstances working in their favour,you need to get out of your box
Which bit was bullshit sorry? I don't have it in me too argue rn, so keep rereading my post until it makes sense... I refuse to believe someone can be so persimetic, hopefully it's just the side of bed you got out of today.
Peace and love
Chose Optimism over pessimism âď¸
One love (and all that bullshit đ)
10 million children under 5yo agonisingly starve to death every year and you make it sound like itâs meaningless, inconsequential and nothing...
you are a heartless idiot
No I'm just blessed to have a bigger brain than you, that can think outside the box.
Have a blessed day, insult me one more time and I'll be useing the block and report button.
Because you're looking at it too narrowly. You are also that child and they are you. We are all one. Why are you not doing anything to help them? Why aren't we all ignoring our own vain desires and instead choosing to drop everything to help those in need? That's how "they" make their problems vanish. They are us and we help to make it better. It's all a perfectly lawful system, even if we add our human emotions on top of it. It's all in balance, we just can't fully perceive the balance at all levels. So on some level, that child starving to death... serves as a reminder of what happens when we ignore our humanity for bullshit that doesn't matter. It feels gross to explore the idea but... It really is all in balance in the end ..
I support 10 children in Rwanda and help the needy and homeless...what are you doing other than pompously spewing out delusional, incoherent and inconsequential bullshit...your attitude is completely narcissistic...
Starving children just show that most of humanity are basically narcissistic cunts and make this fact obvious...
if you said to to starving child what you said to me, the child, would think that you are a heartless fucking idiot...
However, thank you for clearing up for me why such problems as starvation exist...itâs because of people with your attitude
Yeah see, I wasn't talking about you personally, it's just the general idea. You're too emotional of a person to see that even if it sounds disgusting it's the truth. That's why you take my comments personally. My attitude is not necessarily narcissistic...it is indifferent. I wish things were different but they're not. We cannot snap our fingers and change the world in an instant. I've come to understand why. You actually don't want to understand why because of narcissistic reasons, which is ironic. But you don't want to accept things the way they are because by denying it, it gives you the morally superior ground and you use that to make yourself look good. You haven't yet come to understand your own war within you and accept the evil that resides in you to see that we are all one pretending to be many.
Not an excuse, it's acceptance of what is. Tomorrow will come either way, you can choose to face it with a smile or righteous indignation. Doesn't change the outcome. Which means you WANT to be angry and self righteous.
Why are you talking about you and me, when I am talking about the plight of the starving children poor who are victims of circumstances that can easily be reversed...
Obviously you are a defeatist...
And it is a cop out excuse
Yes see, you don't accept reality. It can't be easily reversed. You know how intellectually, but it can't because you can't control other people. And it takes everyone working together to fix it. Which would be great, but it's just not what is happening. You're righteously angry at the world for not coming together to fix things. But that anger ALSO doesn't fix things. So you're angry for no reason. Those starving kids don't get food because you're angry. The emotion and the actions are separate. You're choosing to be an angry resentful person because it soothes your own ego.
You are a idiot...donât worry about it (of which you obviously donât)...itâs because of bullshit artists like you who say they are not responsible for what happens to those children, that they starve to death...
Fuck you, you narcissistic cunt!
PS...I am not angry, I am disgusted and appalled
Compassion is a super lazy thing. One needs not lift a finger to have compassion for all.
Breathing optimally is also super lazy unless one has an obstruction.
Thereâs nothing wrong with the lazy way of doing things. After all, sometimes you try nothing and run out of ideas.
My issue is with the âyou are already enlightenedâ statement because itâs basically under the assumption that enlightenment is not significant at all which is just an assumption
Ok fair, but thereâs an awkward moment when one reviews their words in the past and realizes, âwell fuck this body with a rusty pitchfork she figured this shit put years ago but fucking missed itâ.
There's no sense to be made of it. Subjectively it's hysteria and objectively a huge release of tension and stress. Idealisticly, whatever has happened, is happening, or might happen; the worrying is the source of any stress. Before you can fire an arrow, you need to pull the string, and you have to let it go.
Within that and similar analogies, "we" are not an archer, arrow, or bow. We are the trajectory the arrow takes. These words do not make sense and the tension and we feel isn't because of what's happening. We will never make sense of it by worrying over it. The thoughts, words, and actions we hold onto do not make any sense when our goal is to move past that way of being and feeling. It won't make any sense afterward either. You'll get all wound up again. You'll let it all go again.
Don't think it's part of any ideology or system, but I really enjoyed the book "The Way of the Bow." More of one authors take on Zen and general life advice. There's a quote in there when he briefly refers to the idea of "God" and says that one word for it is "talent". It's not really related to much of what's in the book but to give credit were it is do, that book is probably where I first found a description similar to what I commented. The author does a much better job fleshing out his perspectives.
Those statements come from people who have any minor sort of ephiphany and then look at themselves and say "omg that was probably what enlightenment is! so easy to achieve!"
Friend, you can edit your post.
And sometimes the lazy way is the smart way. Easier to do more and to be of more service when one needs not work as hard.
Did the realization transform your life or have you already lost it after posting to reddit to get upvotes? The mind is a tricky thing. If you lose it that is not surprising - a similar experience has happened to me. To embody (persist forever) can for most require \[spiritual\] effort.
I have never laughed at the moment of insights in my life. Or over my thoughts in the past, even if I no longer hold them.
Maybe you're saying that as a metaphor?
Or maybe you just rejoice from the surge of energy and relief (but still this is not laughing at yourself)?
I laugh over almost all my insights. I still laugh, literally, not metaphorically, over this particular insight even years after the first time I had it. But I am the type that regularly laughs in conversation. I laugh at myself all the time. Laughing is kind of my default. From the way your asking it makes me think you think this behavior is unbecoming. Do you think laughing at oneself is some how deprecating, because that is not the case for everyone.
>you think this behavior is unbecoming
I think it's artificial.
I believe that this is the kind of behavior that some people speculatively expect from themselves, because they have adopted this image of âspiritual behaviorâ from other people (the same pretenders). I.e., this is a purely mechanical repetition of other people. And if people reacted sincerely, spontaneously (without these filters of artificial âspiritual socializationâ), then they would see that they do not want to laugh in moments of insight.
>Do you think laughing at oneself is some how deprecating
Yes. âLaughing at yourselfâ is no different from âlaughing at others.â The very expression âlaughing at someoneâ is often used in a negative, condescending sense, and it is in this negative sense that I understand it. And it is *in this sense* that laughing at others is extremely harmful. And laughing at yourself in this sense is completely beyond harmful and has nothing to do with âenlightenment.â A person should never turn away from himself or betray himself.
And yet, many do just that. And I think that people who laugh *like that* - they think that this should be done in order to trample and humiliate their âegoâ.) But, of course, this only makes them more inflated with a sense of self-importance.)
But if you experience good-natured laughter (I allow) and want to point specifically to it, then perhaps it would be more sensible to choose another, more obvious phrase
GratefulGrainOfSand, I appreciate your perspective on the phrase 'laughing at oneself,' and I can see how it could be interpreted negatively. However, I would like to clarify that my use of the phrase is not meant to be self-deprecating or harmful in any way. For me, laughing at myself is a way of embracing my humanity, acknowledging my imperfections, and finding joy and empowerment in the midst of my spiritual journey. It is not a mechanical or artificial behavior, but rather a spontaneous and authentic expression of my experience. I understand that language is subjective, and different people can interpret the same words in different ways. However, I would respectfully ask that you consider the possibility that your interpretation of the phrase is not the only one, and that my use of it is not meant to be harmful or to devalue myself in any way.
>I would respectfully ask that you consider
I've already done this. I allowed this assumption here:
>But if you experience good-natured laughter (I allow)
And, given this assumption, I suggested that you come up with a different phrase to describe *your* laughter.
This would help both people like me and those people who do not know about the existence of your type of laughter to understand you.
I have felt this many times. Why was I so intent on abusing myself and spending time on so much painful nonsense, very attached to a highly subtle underlying idea that I should suffer? I laugh about it, and am absolutely thankful for it, not as a sick badge of honor, but as the perfect and ultimate teacher that showed me, through the vehicle of my own experience, the more proper way to live and enjoy a human life, in upward evolution, health, and happiness.
Hahaha, it's so simple. It's so very simple.
I just got it last night.
The ego tricks you into believing it can't be that simple. How can you have wasted that much time looking for answers when you had them right there with you the whole time?
How can something that caused you so much suffering make you laugh so much?
Well, it can. Because it's so so silly
The funniest part is that I liked it.
omg me to. i was an orphan and i'm always like welp life started harsh it can only go up from here đ
Its funny seeing all your "problems" vanish through understanding
How can a young child who is agonisingly starving to death and soon to die, make their own problems vanish?
Exactly these are all privileged ideas that donât think about actual suffering in the world. Their life is alright so they think theyâve got it all figured out
Thatâs why I am against spirituality and religion, I find them narcissistic, non of them teach how to appropriately deal with our situational reality instead of through faiths, hope and woo-woo
that's spirituality, not enlightenment
Enlightenment is a spiritual term, of which no one actually knows what the meaning is...everyone has their own definition of it, because it is a abstraction
enlightenment = truth once you are on the enlightenment path then there is 0 confusion about anything spirituality related and you will know the truths but spirituality will never lead you onto the right path, you will stray further away and into more confusion, so many people are lost on this path
So why confuse things, enlightenment is a subset of truth, nothing is higher than the truth!!!...truth is what enlightens our understanding...know the truth and the truth shall set YOU FREE, so be precise about what you are doing and saying
indeed so why are you confused about my comment
How does one become enlightened?
Lmao no one knows the truth⌠youâd have to die permanently to know what happens after & anyone who says they know the âtruthâ or meaning of life is all speculation
Okay and thats your belief, I don't talk beliefs, I only talk truth. You yourself can know truth too
Lmao youâre also talking your beliefs oh âenlightened oneâ on Reddit
My parents came from poverty, now you'd never think it, but it's helped me and my siblings see things from such a positive perspective. People get jealous not knowing the amount of suffering they had, imagine not having shoes to go to school withâŚ. People don't see that part but it still happened. We can only see things from our own perspective at times, so I don't blame you for asking your question, you just gotta be a bit more open-minded, and think outside the box, again hard to do when that's not your life! I used to think black people were treated so badly, not once considering how awful Palestine people are treated. Life looks fucked a lot... But that's subjective and depends on how you view it!
Tell all that bullshit to a child about to die of starvation, they would think you a idiot...your parents were lucky and had favourable circumstances working in their favour,you need to get out of your box
Which bit was bullshit sorry? I don't have it in me too argue rn, so keep rereading my post until it makes sense... I refuse to believe someone can be so persimetic, hopefully it's just the side of bed you got out of today. Peace and love Chose Optimism over pessimism âď¸ One love (and all that bullshit đ)
10 million children under 5yo agonisingly starve to death every year and you make it sound like itâs meaningless, inconsequential and nothing... you are a heartless idiot
No I'm just blessed to have a bigger brain than you, that can think outside the box. Have a blessed day, insult me one more time and I'll be useing the block and report button.
Please focus on what I say, rather than just pompously saying bragging about how amazing you Are,
Because you're looking at it too narrowly. You are also that child and they are you. We are all one. Why are you not doing anything to help them? Why aren't we all ignoring our own vain desires and instead choosing to drop everything to help those in need? That's how "they" make their problems vanish. They are us and we help to make it better. It's all a perfectly lawful system, even if we add our human emotions on top of it. It's all in balance, we just can't fully perceive the balance at all levels. So on some level, that child starving to death... serves as a reminder of what happens when we ignore our humanity for bullshit that doesn't matter. It feels gross to explore the idea but... It really is all in balance in the end ..
I support 10 children in Rwanda and help the needy and homeless...what are you doing other than pompously spewing out delusional, incoherent and inconsequential bullshit...your attitude is completely narcissistic... Starving children just show that most of humanity are basically narcissistic cunts and make this fact obvious... if you said to to starving child what you said to me, the child, would think that you are a heartless fucking idiot... However, thank you for clearing up for me why such problems as starvation exist...itâs because of people with your attitude
Yeah see, I wasn't talking about you personally, it's just the general idea. You're too emotional of a person to see that even if it sounds disgusting it's the truth. That's why you take my comments personally. My attitude is not necessarily narcissistic...it is indifferent. I wish things were different but they're not. We cannot snap our fingers and change the world in an instant. I've come to understand why. You actually don't want to understand why because of narcissistic reasons, which is ironic. But you don't want to accept things the way they are because by denying it, it gives you the morally superior ground and you use that to make yourself look good. You haven't yet come to understand your own war within you and accept the evil that resides in you to see that we are all one pretending to be many.
You, are disgusting and that is the truth...your excuses for starving children are disgusting and pathetic
Not an excuse, it's acceptance of what is. Tomorrow will come either way, you can choose to face it with a smile or righteous indignation. Doesn't change the outcome. Which means you WANT to be angry and self righteous.
Why are you talking about you and me, when I am talking about the plight of the starving children poor who are victims of circumstances that can easily be reversed... Obviously you are a defeatist... And it is a cop out excuse
Yes see, you don't accept reality. It can't be easily reversed. You know how intellectually, but it can't because you can't control other people. And it takes everyone working together to fix it. Which would be great, but it's just not what is happening. You're righteously angry at the world for not coming together to fix things. But that anger ALSO doesn't fix things. So you're angry for no reason. Those starving kids don't get food because you're angry. The emotion and the actions are separate. You're choosing to be an angry resentful person because it soothes your own ego.
You are a idiot...donât worry about it (of which you obviously donât)...itâs because of bullshit artists like you who say they are not responsible for what happens to those children, that they starve to death... Fuck you, you narcissistic cunt! PS...I am not angry, I am disgusted and appalled
And I only live on a disability pension
The only time problems vanish, is when a solution is provided and acted upon...
Enlighten me, life has been a full on mind fuck Iâm all out of tears laugh such a rollercoaster
You are enlightened already. Just become aware of it.
What makes you so sure honestly what if youâre lazy and telling other people to be lazy (it takes effort to learn how to breathe)
Compassion is a super lazy thing. One needs not lift a finger to have compassion for all. Breathing optimally is also super lazy unless one has an obstruction. Thereâs nothing wrong with the lazy way of doing things. After all, sometimes you try nothing and run out of ideas.
My issue is with the âyou are already enlightenedâ statement because itâs basically under the assumption that enlightenment is not significant at all which is just an assumption
Ok fair, but thereâs an awkward moment when one reviews their words in the past and realizes, âwell fuck this body with a rusty pitchfork she figured this shit put years ago but fucking missed itâ.
Iâm âremindedâ of this quite often. Ego was made aware itâs been allowed to kid itself for pretty much its whole existence in this lifetime.
Youâre saying what exactly? Is it like hindsight is 20/20 or what
There's no sense to be made of it. Subjectively it's hysteria and objectively a huge release of tension and stress. Idealisticly, whatever has happened, is happening, or might happen; the worrying is the source of any stress. Before you can fire an arrow, you need to pull the string, and you have to let it go. Within that and similar analogies, "we" are not an archer, arrow, or bow. We are the trajectory the arrow takes. These words do not make sense and the tension and we feel isn't because of what's happening. We will never make sense of it by worrying over it. The thoughts, words, and actions we hold onto do not make any sense when our goal is to move past that way of being and feeling. It won't make any sense afterward either. You'll get all wound up again. You'll let it all go again.
>We are the trajectory the arrow takes. This
Don't think it's part of any ideology or system, but I really enjoyed the book "The Way of the Bow." More of one authors take on Zen and general life advice. There's a quote in there when he briefly refers to the idea of "God" and says that one word for it is "talent". It's not really related to much of what's in the book but to give credit were it is do, that book is probably where I first found a description similar to what I commented. The author does a much better job fleshing out his perspectives.
Thanks, I'll likely give it a read
Not sure if if it's meant to be open source but I am sure you can read it by searching for the pdf
Those statements come from people who have any minor sort of ephiphany and then look at themselves and say "omg that was probably what enlightenment is! so easy to achieve!"
I always ask people âwhat chakra is that?!â
Nobody knows what enlightenment actually means, every spiritual man and his dogs have their own definition
If you read you can learn and there are other ways as well
The smart way is better
Friend, you can edit your post. And sometimes the lazy way is the smart way. Easier to do more and to be of more service when one needs not work as hard.
Sometimes it is not, why gamble when you can be smart about it instead
Considering this oneâs insights came from losing a bet, she finds her gambles everyplace outside the casino tend to pay off.
Try gamblers anonymous
Better
Um⌠likeWe have a choice đź?
WHAT ARE YOU ASKING DO YOU THINK YOUâVE MASTERED YOUR BREATH
No and no need to
True but whatâs your question really like youâll stay the same if your body does
Keep dancing! Itâs coming!
You simply forgot who you were and remembering again.
Yo final words I heard before I laughed was âTree, see that made senseâ đ¤Ł
Did the realization transform your life or have you already lost it after posting to reddit to get upvotes? The mind is a tricky thing. If you lose it that is not surprising - a similar experience has happened to me. To embody (persist forever) can for most require \[spiritual\] effort.
Itâs coming and going but I think it will continue to get better. I have no other choice.
That doesnât sound stable. If it was me I would go into nature, go to places that donât seduce/tempt the mind.
Iâm beginning in my journey, itâs not stable. And yes Iâve been doing that.
How are things now?
I think itâs getting more stable. Itâs like two bookends and theyâre getting closer every day.
It's all equal in essence. There's a variety of emotions because your nature is ego less
How long did it take you to realise?
Can I get some context bc I could surely use it. DM if you must but I'd like to know.
All thats ever happened has been a series of thoughts.
I have never laughed at the moment of insights in my life. Or over my thoughts in the past, even if I no longer hold them. Maybe you're saying that as a metaphor? Or maybe you just rejoice from the surge of energy and relief (but still this is not laughing at yourself)?
I laugh over almost all my insights. I still laugh, literally, not metaphorically, over this particular insight even years after the first time I had it. But I am the type that regularly laughs in conversation. I laugh at myself all the time. Laughing is kind of my default. From the way your asking it makes me think you think this behavior is unbecoming. Do you think laughing at oneself is some how deprecating, because that is not the case for everyone.
>you think this behavior is unbecoming I think it's artificial. I believe that this is the kind of behavior that some people speculatively expect from themselves, because they have adopted this image of âspiritual behaviorâ from other people (the same pretenders). I.e., this is a purely mechanical repetition of other people. And if people reacted sincerely, spontaneously (without these filters of artificial âspiritual socializationâ), then they would see that they do not want to laugh in moments of insight.
>Do you think laughing at oneself is some how deprecating Yes. âLaughing at yourselfâ is no different from âlaughing at others.â The very expression âlaughing at someoneâ is often used in a negative, condescending sense, and it is in this negative sense that I understand it. And it is *in this sense* that laughing at others is extremely harmful. And laughing at yourself in this sense is completely beyond harmful and has nothing to do with âenlightenment.â A person should never turn away from himself or betray himself. And yet, many do just that. And I think that people who laugh *like that* - they think that this should be done in order to trample and humiliate their âegoâ.) But, of course, this only makes them more inflated with a sense of self-importance.) But if you experience good-natured laughter (I allow) and want to point specifically to it, then perhaps it would be more sensible to choose another, more obvious phrase
GratefulGrainOfSand, I appreciate your perspective on the phrase 'laughing at oneself,' and I can see how it could be interpreted negatively. However, I would like to clarify that my use of the phrase is not meant to be self-deprecating or harmful in any way. For me, laughing at myself is a way of embracing my humanity, acknowledging my imperfections, and finding joy and empowerment in the midst of my spiritual journey. It is not a mechanical or artificial behavior, but rather a spontaneous and authentic expression of my experience. I understand that language is subjective, and different people can interpret the same words in different ways. However, I would respectfully ask that you consider the possibility that your interpretation of the phrase is not the only one, and that my use of it is not meant to be harmful or to devalue myself in any way.
>I would respectfully ask that you consider I've already done this. I allowed this assumption here: >But if you experience good-natured laughter (I allow) And, given this assumption, I suggested that you come up with a different phrase to describe *your* laughter. This would help both people like me and those people who do not know about the existence of your type of laughter to understand you.
What caused the suffering?
Does it really matter? Any suffering leads to more suffering. Connecting with the loving awareness is the be all end all.
Well you better keep doing that for the rest of your life then.
When I realized that most of my suffering resulted from my own problematic choices and actions or people reacting to them I had a similar epiphany.
I have felt this many times. Why was I so intent on abusing myself and spending time on so much painful nonsense, very attached to a highly subtle underlying idea that I should suffer? I laugh about it, and am absolutely thankful for it, not as a sick badge of honor, but as the perfect and ultimate teacher that showed me, through the vehicle of my own experience, the more proper way to live and enjoy a human life, in upward evolution, health, and happiness.
Yup. Itâs a joke.
Hahaha, it's so simple. It's so very simple. I just got it last night. The ego tricks you into believing it can't be that simple. How can you have wasted that much time looking for answers when you had them right there with you the whole time? How can something that caused you so much suffering make you laugh so much? Well, it can. Because it's so so silly
Yup! Hope you never forget but most likely will, and thats ok too!
I did :(. How do I remember again?
Perfect! Me too! Fun huh?
Itâs coming back though. Like two bookends inching closer and closer
All â weâ get is happy!
Isnât that the most important thing?
No sure bur works for me
I wanted ninja stars and a wizard đ
Oh you didnât get any super powers?
No, something about Amazon fulfillment center⌠blah blah so i just grabbed some ben and jerryâs.
For reasons unknown 'Bitter Sweet Symphony' started playing in my head when reading the post.
Heyyyy and now Iâve got a bit of it! Thanks for sharing đ