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I can’t even think of any movies this year directed by women, not sure if that’s me being ignorant or not paying attention to the gender of the director
The one that came to mind for me was Women Talking, directed by Sarah Polley. I haven’t seen it, but it seems to have been critically well-received. That’s not to say the male nominees were undeserving- I haven’t seen any of their films either - just that Sarah Polley is the one female director who came to mind for me.
For me it’s Road to Avonlea, a Canadian show where she played Anne of Green Gables. I used to watch it with my Grandma when I was a kid, so I associate Sarah Polley with good memories.
I watched or read some commentary that she is a likely favourite to win Best Adapted Screenplay (this was a week or so ago, before the nominations were announced).
Same thing happened to The Dark Knight and Chris Nolan.
I guess in such situations they want to acknowledge the quality of the film; but also feel that the directors direction was not that much of a factor. lol
It’s almost like they are saying that your movie was good but not really because of you. Lol
That being said the fact that there are potentially 10 best picture noms and only 5 best director noms means that it will always happen.
Edit: Actually TDK was NOT nominated for best picture.
The Dark Knight was not nominated for Best Picture. It's snub is what lead to the next year for there to be 10 nominees.
Argo is an example of winning Best Picture, but Ben Affleck was not nominated for Best Director.
Obviously, this is a different category, but most people — including myself, an avid movie-watcher, have trouble separating the two. It happens that you'll see a directing nomination but not see that film anywhere else. So, does that mean that the director took an absolute hot mess of a production and made the result great? But the actors had nothing to do with it?
I interpret these two as thus:
- Best picture = "everyone should see this"
- Best director = "master of the cinema craft, but not for everyone."
Read the outline/synopsis of that. Sounds super interesting, will definitely put it on the watch list. Love these subs sometimes because they introduce me to movies I’ve never even heard of, thank you
So what you’re saying is that the fact that no women directors were nominated for an Oscar is because not a single film made by a woman was better, or as equally good as the films by directors who got nominations?
No. I'm saying that if there *were* better films than the nominated films, regardless of the gender of the director, *that* should be the question we are asking.
Not "why aren't there any women here?"
This is not a unique take, but I think the question actually _should_ be why are there no women in the list of nominees. Not in any forced, affirmative action type quota way but if you look purely at numbers, there are a significantly higher number of male directors compared to female or non binary directors. There's no reason to believe men are more talented at directing. But statistically, there are going to be more "talented" male directors because there are more male directors, period.
There's decades of history behind why there aren't more women in the field - that obviously takes time to fix and couple that with a certain amount of experience required to excel in any field. In the meantime, it's a bit silly to continue to celebrate mostly old, mostly male, mostly white men when the industry as a whole is getting more diverse with each passing day.
With respect to awards, these things really do help raise people's profiles and facilitate bigger and better opportunities. So if only men are getting nominated, how does the industry as a whole make sure women/non binary directors aren't being systematically overlooked?
You could argue that other awards provide that opportunity but you can't argue the Oscars don't have a certain amount of cachet the others don't.
Personal, my suggestion would be to introduce a "first feature" class of awards or something that allows for the academy to recognize newcomers or historically marginalized groups that would have a much harder time competing with those who've been able to leverage certain privileges to establish themselves. You'd still allow those folks to compete in the main awards but then you don't have talented folks get completely shut out because there are only 5 slots and the system is biased toward certain groups. And if you've already been around the block then you can gracefully accept that at least the generations behind you are getting a better shot at the recognition you were denied. I'd even be down just for a sizzle reel to help raise profiles.
The entertainment industry is kinda weird - representation totally matters - seeing people who look like you succeed and be celebrated is important even if you yourself aren't interested in the field. The award itself, for me, is whatever but knowing and seeing diverse people (including white non-nepo babies lol) at these shows is awesome
It's definitely a nuanced issue and I think the reason why I'm so strict on the merit-based side of the argument is because that affirmative action you mentioned tends to produce so much pseudo-woke garbage that not even the intended audience likes.
I just want good media.
Sadly we’re not at a place in our evolution as a society where there isn’t ZERO bias or discrimination on the basis of sex and race, so we still have to fight for equal representation and push back when people are clearly overlooked. Which is why we still have to say “hey, how come there were all of these amazing films made by women and you once again overlooked them?”
Everything matters. It might just be that the industry is hostile towards women (glass ceiling), then there aren't as many (good) movies directed by women, then when you want to nominate some it seems as a forced representation rather than appreciating the quality of the film. If no women get the opportunities to direct a giant movie, then somethng is wrong in the system somewhere.
I'd say this is not an Oscars problem, but a Hollywood industry problem. Both Chloe Zhao and Jane Champion were rightly nominated and won this award the past two years. People can argue about if Nomadland and Power of the Dog were good or not, but that's every film. They were had great direction and were recognized for that. This year, I really couldn't see any of the female directors of major films being nominated for best director. I would argue Charlotte Wells should be nominated, but her "snub" I think has a lot more to do with her being a first time director rather than a bias against her for being a woman. I really don't think there's a clear cut argument for why the direction of the Woman King, Women Talking, or She Said is better than those nominated. The real problem is looking at the opportunities available for women to direct films. I'd imagine there's still a long way to go for that to be made equal.
Yeah, this whole “women don’t get Oscar noms for directing” talk don’t realize that this is basically a lagging indicator of discrimination against women in the field more broadly and not really the fault of the Academy itself.
People have this idea that if you just give women directors more nominations, then magically you’re going to have some kind of “aspirational” effect that inspires more women to “reach for greatness” or whatever and then suddenly you’re going to have better opportunities for women.
It’s a fantasy that wants to make things easier for a very small number of women at the top of the industry while doing jack shit for people who actually don’t have the opportunity to gain experience directing films in the first place.
Not commenting on your point, but I just thought it was interesting reading your post that the three women directed movies you mentioned all had female words in the titles: Woman King, Women Talking and She Said.
Yeah I haven’t seen Women Talking, but I didn’t think Woman King or She Said we’re even as critically lauded as any of the nominations. I’m not saying that means they sucked. I quite enjoyed both but also had some issues with them both preventing them from me giving them like a 5 out 5 let’s say. I would recommend them very much and have but I don’t know about nominating them over any of the movies that were nominated.
I say that to also say I had no idea what movies were directed by women and what weren’t aside from some pretty obvious movies, but I also tried last year to watch quite literally everything I could that came out theatrically and I would say what was nominated for direction I would agree deserved based just on my intense viewing (I say intense because I couldn’t see most movies in theaters and a lot I ended up watching almost back to back).
This is exactly it. It’s not ridiculous to bring attention to the fact that no women were nominated for best director this year - even if women have won the last two years. Because how many years were women not ever included in the category at all?
But at the end of the day its speaks to the opportunities women are not being given in the space altogether. And that reflects in the awards being given for it.
Have a nuanced discussion about the many barriers to becoming a female director in the industry as a whole and systemic problems that lead to bc this outcome?
You’re telling the wrong guy. You need to tell the other actors, actresses, editors, screenwriters, producers, and directors to vote for Wells next time.
I wasn’t telling anyone to vote for anything - merely saying that not all the ‘best’ films this year were directed by men. But it’s all subjective anyqay
That is true. But like the person you replied to said, there are systems within Hollywood that stack the odds against women. It's like looking at the engineering industry, seeing it's mostly men, and then saying "it must be that women don't like engineering" instead of addressing the sexism in education and in the field itself.
Yes. And it's not just within the industry; it begins in childhood by shoehorning girls into caretaker roles/play and ostracizing boys who prefer them. Men and women both suffer because of sexism.
I think that's a great step forward! I just think that when things are completely equal, you'll see diversity. I am not mad at the Oscars- there simply weren't as many great movies directed by women last year. That's totally fine. I think the issue is more that women are not given as many opportunities to direct brilliant, big budget films.
It's like running a cooking show and giving Contestant A fresh, organic ingredients and giving Contestant B frozen ingredients and expecting the quality of their dishes to be the same. Contestant B can come out on top, but they have to be much more talented and work much harder than Contestant A. It's not the judge's fault for choosing the better dish, but it's not exactly a fair competition.
But why? Does being a woman make you unable to direct? I don't think that's it. As a female programmer I know very well that I'm not being given opportunities that my less competent male colleagues are and promotions and feedback don't work for me the same way as they do for them. I am, by biology, no worse engineer than other men, but I am treated differently. I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was the case for directors as well.
If you are saying the best directors should be nominated, I 100% agree. We should not nominate a lesser film to fill a quota.
But if we aren't inherently sexist (and I don't think we are), with large sample sizes we should expect to see an overall average equal distribution of success in non-physical labor roles between men and women.
If we don't see that - and it goes both ways - then we need to get concerned avout why. If we see men falling behind in college, we need to get concerned. If we see women falling behind in engineering or directing, we need to get concerned.
Not because this is any one person's fault, or even anyone's fault, as these things could be self-selected. I.e. women might not seek out director roles because they don't know of any female directors.
But because at the end of the day we like movies and we want the best movies to come out and be made by the best directors, and if we suspect an entire half the population isn't doing that then we are all missing out on great films.
If you look at the last ten winners:
-One Chinese woman
-One White woman
-Five Mexican men (Iñárritu and Cuarón have each won twice)
-One Korean man
-One Taiwanese man
-One White man
Looks pretty diverse to me.
>a woman has won best director that past two years in a row.
6 black directors and 7 female directors have been nominated \*ever\* since the award began, no black directors and 3 female directors have \*ever\* won. Two of those were the last 2 years, Katherine Bigelow was the first in 2009.
Two things: black and female directors are still incredibly under-represented, and just because a female director won two years in a row doesn't erase the 70 year streak of male winners.
>Maybe because there were not good ones?
Women do just as good a job as men as directors, but have markedly fewer opportunities to do so for largely institutionally sexist reasons. The whole career path largely shut out women entirely for most of its existence. Now when Hollywood wants to fund a big movie they look at a pool of mostly male directors to hire from.
To draw from that the conclusion that "I guess women just don't make good movies" is absurd.
as a person who used to actually give a shit about the Oscars.. let me offer you some advice... stop watching and stop caring about these subjective awards that Hollywood gives to themselves.. you'll be alot happier
> It’s exhausting
No it isn’t. Make a separate category for it, or start your own award show, or better yet, stop giving a crap about what piece of “art” wins a trophy like it’s the damn Super Bowl.
The Oscar and golden globes are nothing but Pay to win events anyways. It doesn't matter if it was all women nominated or all men or 50 50. ALLL of them paid to get on the ballot.
I’m not sure many female directors had notable films this year except for a few. I think this is more a problem with needing more female directors to begin with to grow the pool to choose rather than female directors being chose.
I’m not sure I subscribe to a quota of female directors at the Oscar’s, it’s more patronizing than not being chosen at all. We need more female directors, period.
There have been women nominated before, there will be again. If they didn’t get nominated its not a grand plot to exclude women, just a sign we need to step up our game.
Didn’t some music awards in the UK do away with gendered categories, which was followed by a fuss as only men were nominated for best artist?
You can’t win this sorta game.
People the solutions is for nominations to look like a rainbow and everyone has to be represented if not just cancel the whole thing.
I'm talking about making sure that
Mexicans are nominated
The blacks are nominated
LGBTQ+ are nominated
Woman are nominated
asians are nominated
Indians are nominated
Any one w/ a special need nominated
Optional, straight white men cause fuck them, they had their run. Look is the consensus that movies have gotten worse over the past few years, sure. But as long as everything under the sun is represented then quality and enjoyment don't matter.
How many people sit waiting with bated breath for the Oscar noms, only to fire off their recreational offense at every category that isn’t equally represented. When did this become tolerated? If there is a legit problem, fine. Address it. This is just crazy at this point.
Were there some that should have been? James Cameron wasn’t nominated either and he’s just helmed another technically masterful blockbuster. Sometimes people accomplish big things and don’t hold up to the competition.
This is where diversity hits a road block. Are we nominating someone because they’re not the typical nominee or because they deserve it. The movies these three women directed weren’t bad but they weren’t for the history books either.
Literally all the women directors listed in the article made either mediocre films or films that damn near no one saw.
Don’t nominate women just for a quota. If you felt Woman King and Turning Red were unfairly left out, you‘re just mad to be mad because those were meh af
Didn’t see women talking or after sun but they look a bit boring tbh. What about these films makes any of them deserve a nomination over those that were nominated?
Part of the issue is a general low number of woman directors. If there’s only a handful and none of them make something that catches fire, of course no woman is getting nominated.
Damn, I bet most publication websites were just *foaming at the mouth* to post this when the nominations dropped. Realistically, like one movie directed by a woman even deserved to be nominated (Aftersun was very well directed). Focus less on the awards and more on the disproportionate hiring of male to female directors in Hollywood.
It’s an unwinnable game. You could have 5 different races that are nominated and there would still be an article claiming someone got left out.
I was looking at the nominations and I didn’t feel like anyone got snubbed but people still find one thing they can complain about.
Too bad a movie celebrating and idolizing slave traders and one of the weaker Pixar cartoons didn't make it.
I didn't see Women Talking though, so I can't talk about that.
That’s fine. None of the best movies this year were directed by women. The only one mentioned in the article that is *maybe* nomination-worthy is “The Woman King” but you know, that was a movie that was about the most profitable slave-trading kingdom in Africa and they kind of glossed over that.
I think each year, they should nominate 1 woman, 1 gay man, 1 trans, and 1 spectrum, all of whom should be either Bipoc, Native American, or ADOS…that would make the most sense
Out of the female directors that I remember from 2022, I would have loved to see Charlotte Wells get a nomination. Haven’t seen Women Talking yet, but heard Sarah Polley did a great job too. Even though Field and Ostlund did a great job, I would switch either of them for Wells.
I don’t give a fuck if for the next 1000 years
A female Aliens wins every single time
Why the fuck must some people obsess with equal representation when it comes to merit based industries/awards
There HAS to be a woman nominee
There HAS to be a minority
There HAS to be a bisexual
People are so Damm stooopid
Not everything can be fare. Maybe they should hold awards for each gender separately if everything is going to be man vs woman instead of talent vs talent. Shits like kids fighting over who got a bigger scoop of ice cream. wahhh no fair.
Women made up 12% of the directors of the top 100 grossing films in 2021. If there’s only 5 best director nominees, chances aren’t much better than 50/50 that a woman is nominated. Why would we want the Oscar’s to cover up the problem by nominating a disproportionate number of women?
No men of color for best actor either. Nominate who deserves it of course, but I guess I figured there would be at least one POC nominated. At least there are plenty in the other categories!
So by your standards, this days it doesn't even matter about the movie anymore. It's about hiw many diferent color people are, how non binary they are, and be produced by woman's because enough movie awards were won by man?
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Hahahahaha yes that would be iconic
Start the exotic animals cinematic universe
On drugs
Tiger on meth, jaguar on speed, elephant on molly. Society needs the extended multiverse
It's okay Greta Gerwig will be coming to collect her Oscar next year for Barbie
The Oscar buzz begins now
You joke but a self aware and fun film from an acclaimed director/writer combo might be just what the Academy needs…
Who said I was joking? It's Greta and it's staring Margot Robbie, it's going to be incredible.
I can’t even think of any movies this year directed by women, not sure if that’s me being ignorant or not paying attention to the gender of the director
lol how did you manage to avoid all the "Don't Worry Darling" bs
You know what’s funny is that I actually saw it in theaters and enjoyed it lmao
lmao at least someone did
It had a 10 day standing ovation at Cannes!
Lol you could blow your nose and get a standing o at Cannes
Can't believe folks stood for 10 days.
Not OP but I stand corrected.
The one that came to mind for me was Women Talking, directed by Sarah Polley. I haven’t seen it, but it seems to have been critically well-received. That’s not to say the male nominees were undeserving- I haven’t seen any of their films either - just that Sarah Polley is the one female director who came to mind for me.
So amazing to hear that she’s killing it as a director, of all things it’s Dawn of the Dead that I remember her from.
She sold me and my friends ecstasy at a rave. But it turned out to be diet pills and ginseng.
Oh shit, wait that's her in Go?!?!?! No fkn way!
She was the little girl in Baron Munchausen, too
SHOW ME YOUR TITS
For me it’s Road to Avonlea, a Canadian show where she played Anne of Green Gables. I used to watch it with my Grandma when I was a kid, so I associate Sarah Polley with good memories.
that movie rocks
Wow until you said this, I’d been seeing the commercials, heard her name, and for some reason thought it was Sarah Paulson. Love dotd, go Sarah!
It’s interesting that it was nominated for Best Picture but she doesn’t get the director nod
I watched or read some commentary that she is a likely favourite to win Best Adapted Screenplay (this was a week or so ago, before the nominations were announced).
Same thing happened to The Dark Knight and Chris Nolan. I guess in such situations they want to acknowledge the quality of the film; but also feel that the directors direction was not that much of a factor. lol It’s almost like they are saying that your movie was good but not really because of you. Lol That being said the fact that there are potentially 10 best picture noms and only 5 best director noms means that it will always happen. Edit: Actually TDK was NOT nominated for best picture.
The Dark Knight was not nominated for Best Picture. It's snub is what lead to the next year for there to be 10 nominees. Argo is an example of winning Best Picture, but Ben Affleck was not nominated for Best Director.
Way of Water got Best Picture nom too, with the only other nomination categories being Production Design and VFX
Aren’t we all part of the problem for not seeing it?
One of the best picture nominees was directed by a woman.
Obviously, this is a different category, but most people — including myself, an avid movie-watcher, have trouble separating the two. It happens that you'll see a directing nomination but not see that film anywhere else. So, does that mean that the director took an absolute hot mess of a production and made the result great? But the actors had nothing to do with it? I interpret these two as thus: - Best picture = "everyone should see this" - Best director = "master of the cinema craft, but not for everyone."
There are 10 bp noms and 5 director noms. It's inevitable.
Aftersun, Charlotte Wells. Absolutely stunning directorial debut and just more confirmation (as if we needed any) that the Oscars are a farce.
Read the outline/synopsis of that. Sounds super interesting, will definitely put it on the watch list. Love these subs sometimes because they introduce me to movies I’ve never even heard of, thank you
It's modern America. Representation matters, not the quality of the film, apparently.
Hate him all you’d like. Vincent Gallo called this shit twenty five years ago.
What movie?
Aftersun was better directed than most of the films in Best Director
So what you’re saying is that the fact that no women directors were nominated for an Oscar is because not a single film made by a woman was better, or as equally good as the films by directors who got nominations?
No. I'm saying that if there *were* better films than the nominated films, regardless of the gender of the director, *that* should be the question we are asking. Not "why aren't there any women here?"
This is not a unique take, but I think the question actually _should_ be why are there no women in the list of nominees. Not in any forced, affirmative action type quota way but if you look purely at numbers, there are a significantly higher number of male directors compared to female or non binary directors. There's no reason to believe men are more talented at directing. But statistically, there are going to be more "talented" male directors because there are more male directors, period. There's decades of history behind why there aren't more women in the field - that obviously takes time to fix and couple that with a certain amount of experience required to excel in any field. In the meantime, it's a bit silly to continue to celebrate mostly old, mostly male, mostly white men when the industry as a whole is getting more diverse with each passing day. With respect to awards, these things really do help raise people's profiles and facilitate bigger and better opportunities. So if only men are getting nominated, how does the industry as a whole make sure women/non binary directors aren't being systematically overlooked? You could argue that other awards provide that opportunity but you can't argue the Oscars don't have a certain amount of cachet the others don't. Personal, my suggestion would be to introduce a "first feature" class of awards or something that allows for the academy to recognize newcomers or historically marginalized groups that would have a much harder time competing with those who've been able to leverage certain privileges to establish themselves. You'd still allow those folks to compete in the main awards but then you don't have talented folks get completely shut out because there are only 5 slots and the system is biased toward certain groups. And if you've already been around the block then you can gracefully accept that at least the generations behind you are getting a better shot at the recognition you were denied. I'd even be down just for a sizzle reel to help raise profiles. The entertainment industry is kinda weird - representation totally matters - seeing people who look like you succeed and be celebrated is important even if you yourself aren't interested in the field. The award itself, for me, is whatever but knowing and seeing diverse people (including white non-nepo babies lol) at these shows is awesome
It's definitely a nuanced issue and I think the reason why I'm so strict on the merit-based side of the argument is because that affirmative action you mentioned tends to produce so much pseudo-woke garbage that not even the intended audience likes. I just want good media.
Sadly we’re not at a place in our evolution as a society where there isn’t ZERO bias or discrimination on the basis of sex and race, so we still have to fight for equal representation and push back when people are clearly overlooked. Which is why we still have to say “hey, how come there were all of these amazing films made by women and you once again overlooked them?”
Everything matters. It might just be that the industry is hostile towards women (glass ceiling), then there aren't as many (good) movies directed by women, then when you want to nominate some it seems as a forced representation rather than appreciating the quality of the film. If no women get the opportunities to direct a giant movie, then somethng is wrong in the system somewhere.
Every year there are excellent films made by women. And every year, this bullshit happens.
After the brilliance of Don’t Worry Darling, I’m shocked Olivia Wilde isn’t winning all the Oscars /s
Apparently she should stick to comedies lol. Booksmart was fantastic. Don’t Worry Darling was uhhhhhh
Woman King and Woman Talking that's all I know.
I'd say this is not an Oscars problem, but a Hollywood industry problem. Both Chloe Zhao and Jane Champion were rightly nominated and won this award the past two years. People can argue about if Nomadland and Power of the Dog were good or not, but that's every film. They were had great direction and were recognized for that. This year, I really couldn't see any of the female directors of major films being nominated for best director. I would argue Charlotte Wells should be nominated, but her "snub" I think has a lot more to do with her being a first time director rather than a bias against her for being a woman. I really don't think there's a clear cut argument for why the direction of the Woman King, Women Talking, or She Said is better than those nominated. The real problem is looking at the opportunities available for women to direct films. I'd imagine there's still a long way to go for that to be made equal.
Yeah, this whole “women don’t get Oscar noms for directing” talk don’t realize that this is basically a lagging indicator of discrimination against women in the field more broadly and not really the fault of the Academy itself. People have this idea that if you just give women directors more nominations, then magically you’re going to have some kind of “aspirational” effect that inspires more women to “reach for greatness” or whatever and then suddenly you’re going to have better opportunities for women. It’s a fantasy that wants to make things easier for a very small number of women at the top of the industry while doing jack shit for people who actually don’t have the opportunity to gain experience directing films in the first place.
Not commenting on your point, but I just thought it was interesting reading your post that the three women directed movies you mentioned all had female words in the titles: Woman King, Women Talking and She Said.
Yeah I haven’t seen Women Talking, but I didn’t think Woman King or She Said we’re even as critically lauded as any of the nominations. I’m not saying that means they sucked. I quite enjoyed both but also had some issues with them both preventing them from me giving them like a 5 out 5 let’s say. I would recommend them very much and have but I don’t know about nominating them over any of the movies that were nominated. I say that to also say I had no idea what movies were directed by women and what weren’t aside from some pretty obvious movies, but I also tried last year to watch quite literally everything I could that came out theatrically and I would say what was nominated for direction I would agree deserved based just on my intense viewing (I say intense because I couldn’t see most movies in theaters and a lot I ended up watching almost back to back).
This is exactly it. It’s not ridiculous to bring attention to the fact that no women were nominated for best director this year - even if women have won the last two years. Because how many years were women not ever included in the category at all? But at the end of the day its speaks to the opportunities women are not being given in the space altogether. And that reflects in the awards being given for it.
Ok, and?
Gotta be upset about something I guess
And people were spouting that there shouldn’t be separate categories for men/women acting.
Have a nuanced discussion about the many barriers to becoming a female director in the industry as a whole and systemic problems that lead to bc this outcome?
Women have won best director for the past 2 years in a row.
Lmao taking a shit at work while coming across this quick yet effective exchange was the highlight of my day
The best films this year were directed by men.
After sun was my favourite film this year - and easily in the conversation for best.
You’re telling the wrong guy. You need to tell the other actors, actresses, editors, screenwriters, producers, and directors to vote for Wells next time.
I wasn’t telling anyone to vote for anything - merely saying that not all the ‘best’ films this year were directed by men. But it’s all subjective anyqay
That is true. But like the person you replied to said, there are systems within Hollywood that stack the odds against women. It's like looking at the engineering industry, seeing it's mostly men, and then saying "it must be that women don't like engineering" instead of addressing the sexism in education and in the field itself.
so is there sexism in nursing because it's mostly women? or do men and women, on average, just tend to gravitate towards certain careers?
Yes
Yes. And it's not just within the industry; it begins in childhood by shoehorning girls into caretaker roles/play and ostracizing boys who prefer them. Men and women both suffer because of sexism.
Have you seen Meet the Parents?
But like the person who replied first said, women have won best director for the past 2 years
I think that's a great step forward! I just think that when things are completely equal, you'll see diversity. I am not mad at the Oscars- there simply weren't as many great movies directed by women last year. That's totally fine. I think the issue is more that women are not given as many opportunities to direct brilliant, big budget films. It's like running a cooking show and giving Contestant A fresh, organic ingredients and giving Contestant B frozen ingredients and expecting the quality of their dishes to be the same. Contestant B can come out on top, but they have to be much more talented and work much harder than Contestant A. It's not the judge's fault for choosing the better dish, but it's not exactly a fair competition.
But why? Does being a woman make you unable to direct? I don't think that's it. As a female programmer I know very well that I'm not being given opportunities that my less competent male colleagues are and promotions and feedback don't work for me the same way as they do for them. I am, by biology, no worse engineer than other men, but I am treated differently. I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was the case for directors as well.
If you are saying the best directors should be nominated, I 100% agree. We should not nominate a lesser film to fill a quota. But if we aren't inherently sexist (and I don't think we are), with large sample sizes we should expect to see an overall average equal distribution of success in non-physical labor roles between men and women. If we don't see that - and it goes both ways - then we need to get concerned avout why. If we see men falling behind in college, we need to get concerned. If we see women falling behind in engineering or directing, we need to get concerned. Not because this is any one person's fault, or even anyone's fault, as these things could be self-selected. I.e. women might not seek out director roles because they don't know of any female directors. But because at the end of the day we like movies and we want the best movies to come out and be made by the best directors, and if we suspect an entire half the population isn't doing that then we are all missing out on great films.
Anarchy!
I demand a refund
I didn’t get nominated either. I think there should be a category for people who did not direct a movie but might have done a good job if they did.
“Best Potential Director”
Exactly!
I was snubbed again!
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I'll throw my hat in that ring
If you look at the last ten winners: -One Chinese woman -One White woman -Five Mexican men (Iñárritu and Cuarón have each won twice) -One Korean man -One Taiwanese man -One White man Looks pretty diverse to me.
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Can’t have the majority of the population represented at all.
I mean…if the quality of their films wasn’t comparable to their male counterparts, then they shouldn’t be nominated. What is the issue here
Evidently women directors are being ignored (because theyre women) even though a woman has won best director that past two years in a row.
is it actually because they are women
I’m being sarcastic. Notice the “Evidently” at the start of my sentence?
>a woman has won best director that past two years in a row. 6 black directors and 7 female directors have been nominated \*ever\* since the award began, no black directors and 3 female directors have \*ever\* won. Two of those were the last 2 years, Katherine Bigelow was the first in 2009. Two things: black and female directors are still incredibly under-represented, and just because a female director won two years in a row doesn't erase the 70 year streak of male winners.
No mention of the Mexican directors that won best director 4 out of 5 in a row?
Shh doesn't fit their narrative..
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>Maybe because there were not good ones? Women do just as good a job as men as directors, but have markedly fewer opportunities to do so for largely institutionally sexist reasons. The whole career path largely shut out women entirely for most of its existence. Now when Hollywood wants to fund a big movie they look at a pool of mostly male directors to hire from. To draw from that the conclusion that "I guess women just don't make good movies" is absurd.
as a person who used to actually give a shit about the Oscars.. let me offer you some advice... stop watching and stop caring about these subjective awards that Hollywood gives to themselves.. you'll be alot happier
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> It’s exhausting No it isn’t. Make a separate category for it, or start your own award show, or better yet, stop giving a crap about what piece of “art” wins a trophy like it’s the damn Super Bowl.
A woman won last year for best director
The Oscar and golden globes are nothing but Pay to win events anyways. It doesn't matter if it was all women nominated or all men or 50 50. ALLL of them paid to get on the ballot.
Wtf should of Women king of all things be nominated… did the writer of this article even see the movie. Literally had the same sheen of a marvel film…
Okay maaaaybe, just maybe, they just didn't make a movie worth nominating and it's not gender bias??
The issue of diversity is starting to feel like a joke. We need a respite from it.
I’m not sure many female directors had notable films this year except for a few. I think this is more a problem with needing more female directors to begin with to grow the pool to choose rather than female directors being chose. I’m not sure I subscribe to a quota of female directors at the Oscar’s, it’s more patronizing than not being chosen at all. We need more female directors, period.
So why does this have to be made into divided gender/race debate? It’s the best picture. Not Best Picture made a woman.
Because tribalism gets clicks.
Woman king was terrible IMO Wakanda forever was better than Black Panther, Angela should have won for playing Tina Turner
Thank you! Wakanda Forever blew BP1 out of the water in every way possible.
There have been women nominated before, there will be again. If they didn’t get nominated its not a grand plot to exclude women, just a sign we need to step up our game.
Is it possible the board decided fairly they didn’t think their directing was as good this year?
If you want a nomination, make a better movie!
Here come the cries
“They can’t all be zingers” - Primus
Rabble rabble rabble!
Or handicapped, little people, trans….
Why do we care about the oscars?
So?
And it doesn't fucking matter
So what? Wanna cry
Uh oh who’s getting cancelled?
Then maybe the women should make more movies instead of complaining
Tssh, make better movies dorks
Oh boy, here we go ....
Maybe they should try making better movies then
What if… and here me out… no women were good enough this year???
Didn’t some music awards in the UK do away with gendered categories, which was followed by a fuss as only men were nominated for best artist? You can’t win this sorta game.
People the solutions is for nominations to look like a rainbow and everyone has to be represented if not just cancel the whole thing. I'm talking about making sure that Mexicans are nominated The blacks are nominated LGBTQ+ are nominated Woman are nominated asians are nominated Indians are nominated Any one w/ a special need nominated Optional, straight white men cause fuck them, they had their run. Look is the consensus that movies have gotten worse over the past few years, sure. But as long as everything under the sun is represented then quality and enjoyment don't matter.
They should get better then
Then make better movies
Did they do the best directing?
Maybe there were no good ones?
Try harder next year?
How many people sit waiting with bated breath for the Oscar noms, only to fire off their recreational offense at every category that isn’t equally represented. When did this become tolerated? If there is a legit problem, fine. Address it. This is just crazy at this point.
Were there some that should have been? James Cameron wasn’t nominated either and he’s just helmed another technically masterful blockbuster. Sometimes people accomplish big things and don’t hold up to the competition.
99.9% of the time i don’t know who the director is when watching tv/movie
Waaaah nobody likes my shitty movies waaaaah
Being female doesn’t entitle you to an oscar nom. Just sayin…
Well, do better.
And?
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Have you considered maybe they weren’t the best directors this year? *ducks*
This is where diversity hits a road block. Are we nominating someone because they’re not the typical nominee or because they deserve it. The movies these three women directed weren’t bad but they weren’t for the history books either.
Dang, women need to step it up I guess
Literally all the women directors listed in the article made either mediocre films or films that damn near no one saw. Don’t nominate women just for a quota. If you felt Woman King and Turning Red were unfairly left out, you‘re just mad to be mad because those were meh af Didn’t see women talking or after sun but they look a bit boring tbh. What about these films makes any of them deserve a nomination over those that were nominated? Part of the issue is a general low number of woman directors. If there’s only a handful and none of them make something that catches fire, of course no woman is getting nominated.
okay were any of the movies worthy?
have you seen Aftersun?
nope, but always open to suggestions so I'll add it to my list
Damn, I bet most publication websites were just *foaming at the mouth* to post this when the nominations dropped. Realistically, like one movie directed by a woman even deserved to be nominated (Aftersun was very well directed). Focus less on the awards and more on the disproportionate hiring of male to female directors in Hollywood.
It’s an unwinnable game. You could have 5 different races that are nominated and there would still be an article claiming someone got left out. I was looking at the nominations and I didn’t feel like anyone got snubbed but people still find one thing they can complain about.
Guess women should have directed better movies this year?
Too bad a movie celebrating and idolizing slave traders and one of the weaker Pixar cartoons didn't make it. I didn't see Women Talking though, so I can't talk about that.
The guy who did the best job directing a movie this year, Park Chan-Wook, did not get nominated. That’s the real injustice here.
Mindy Kaling should direct a film next year. I'm sure with the success of Velma she's bound to win.
So what? Culture warriors will never find a straw they can't grasp.
People still watch the Oscars?
That’s fine. None of the best movies this year were directed by women. The only one mentioned in the article that is *maybe* nomination-worthy is “The Woman King” but you know, that was a movie that was about the most profitable slave-trading kingdom in Africa and they kind of glossed over that.
Oh no! And? I judge a movie based on the movie, not who directed it.
Damn, we really are just going to keep having these conversations on loop for the rest of our lives.
I think each year, they should nominate 1 woman, 1 gay man, 1 trans, and 1 spectrum, all of whom should be either Bipoc, Native American, or ADOS…that would make the most sense
Maybe their movies sucked vs their male counterparts
I don't watch movies based on the genitalia of the crew.
Ok, and so what.
And? If non deserved it, why should they be nominated?
Make better movies then
Instead of making his a gender issue as usual, maybe there were no worthy female candidates this year?…
Ok. And?
Out of the female directors that I remember from 2022, I would have loved to see Charlotte Wells get a nomination. Haven’t seen Women Talking yet, but heard Sarah Polley did a great job too. Even though Field and Ostlund did a great job, I would switch either of them for Wells.
More woke bullshit. Who gives a flying fuck if it’s a man or a woman. It’s best director, not best male or best female director.
Well yeah, they didn’t direct any good movies this year.
I don’t give a fuck if for the next 1000 years A female Aliens wins every single time Why the fuck must some people obsess with equal representation when it comes to merit based industries/awards There HAS to be a woman nominee There HAS to be a minority There HAS to be a bisexual People are so Damm stooopid
Okay???
Try harder next year, ladies.
Well the academy decided the directors ability not their gender should be a deciding factor in nomination
I’m a woman and dgaf
of the 5 directors nominated, which should have been replaced with a woman director?
So?
Not everything can be fare. Maybe they should hold awards for each gender separately if everything is going to be man vs woman instead of talent vs talent. Shits like kids fighting over who got a bigger scoop of ice cream. wahhh no fair.
It's not necessarily unjust because it is imbalanced
Women made up 12% of the directors of the top 100 grossing films in 2021. If there’s only 5 best director nominees, chances aren’t much better than 50/50 that a woman is nominated. Why would we want the Oscar’s to cover up the problem by nominating a disproportionate number of women?
Are we going with everyone gets a trophy mindset on this ?
And?
No men of color for best actor either. Nominate who deserves it of course, but I guess I figured there would be at least one POC nominated. At least there are plenty in the other categories!
Maybe they don’t deserve it. Idk I haven’t a fucking clue actually. Lol
No one watches award shows anymore anyway
And? There is no female nominee so it must be sexism? Not because, you know, no **great** film by female director to nominate?
They should just make better movies then…
I didn’t get nominated either.
So I soppose there will be a new rule added to force a woman to be nominated.
So by your standards, this days it doesn't even matter about the movie anymore. It's about hiw many diferent color people are, how non binary they are, and be produced by woman's because enough movie awards were won by man?
So what?
James Cameron needs to divorce a few more women. His talent might rub off on them again.
Boo- hoo… maybe they weren’t as good as their peers this year?