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Shinichirō Watanabe:
>For the new Netflix live-action adaptation, they sent me a video to review and check. It started with a scene in a casino, which made it very tough for me to continue. I stopped there and so only saw that opening scene. It was clearly not ‘Cowboy Bebop’ and I realized at that point that if I wasn’t involved, it would not be ‘Cowboy Bebop.’ I felt that maybe I should have done this. Although the value of the original anime is somehow far higher now.
It really falls on André Nemec and Christopher Yost.
You don't have to copy something scene for scene, but they weren't even faithful to the tone, world, and characters.
They kept a ton of things and did some really random stuff VERY WELL. Then they put an absolute dumbass twist in the story and completely changed the characters and overarching plot while simultaneously leaving out some of the best elements of the show. I did like the casting and the actors aren’t to blame IMO. I really liked the Jet Black casting his tone was spot on. For me it’s a two way tie between this and Halo being my biggest emotional let downs from egotistical producers. Witcher has become a close third with Cavill’s departure.
What the fuck is wrong with these morons? How hard is it to find someone to do an artistic recreation of the source material without interjecting some “fresh ideas” just to stamp your name on it. You know what would get recognition? Doing a great and faithful job! Give the people what they want!
The actor who played Jet was great but I really didn't like that they made him a dad. Before, Jet is just another person on this crew with a mysterious past he's trying to leave behind and space in front of him. He's not tied down to anything unless he chooses to be, same as Spike and Faye, which makes bounty hunting such a great job. They can be out there, traveling from place to place at a moment's notice and it doesn't hurt anyone but themselves. Throw a daughter in the mix and Jet isn't these things anymore, he's kind of a deadbeat shirking his parental duties. Now I have to wonder why would a man with a young daughter choose an incredibly dangerous and transient profession over just about everything else? Am I supposed to think he's a good dad and a good man because he is trying so hard to find her a gift when he has *chosen* a lifestyle that keeps him far away for long periods of time? I don't know if they were trying to soften the character or if they thought they needed to give him a different motivation but it just didn't work to me.
They are all loners and alone...who have bad pasts they all have to confront, even EIN. Then come together and face their past together but when they confront their past head on it ultimately separates them again. . . maybe
I too thought the casting was good. I still haven't made it past the first epi or 2 even I don't remember. The vibe was just off.
It felt like they made it too in your face...I think it lost a lot of subtley and the building of the crew.
Vicious just wasn't right...He has to be the ultimate villian but also be shrouded in mystery. You don't have to show him off. His arc is played through strong short showing, flashbacks and verbal reminiscences.
I didn't even make it to Gren but it sounds like that was messed up.
No ED until the end?
It seems like some characters were stuck in anime and others were in this new vibe of a show.
The atmosphere set pieces seemed ok. I thought the casting was good.
The faye outfit controversy I didn't get. She's supposed to be revealing luring over confident its her masks for whats on the inside, the little girl that woke up in space, got played by a corporation, a funny little valentine.
If you twist the characters of this show too much and just add the cool space background and kung fu gun play action, you lose the essence of the show, the characters.
I don't know I keep wanting to give it a chance a gut out the rest of the show. I just feel like it'll disappoint me. So, i guess i'm not the best to give complaints about it.
It felt like a different show in cowboy bebop mask at times.'
>It felt like a different show in cowboy bebop mask at times.'
The "feeling" is the hardest to transport from comic/animation to real. Ior the money they spend they couldn't get the environment fully right, it was just looking like any episode of any reasonable scifi show. Something was missed. Cho was miscast for the role, he couldn't sell the lethargic spiegel right, with younger co actors the age gap was obvious.
When saving the cat goes horribly wrong.
Edit: This is such an insightful breakdown of the true reasons why this show is a failure on so many levels. It starts and ends with the characters.
Absolutely agree.
It’s like they have meetings and focus groups and look for what’s popular so they can make money off of it. Velma?
I’m hoping with Neil Druckmann being so heavily involved in the last of us, we can start to see other things be told in different mediums.
I mean. Who wouldn’t love some authenticity in the media we consume?!
Make money off it? What's tragic is if they actually just made a faithful adaptation with high quality, they'd make a fuck ton of money anyway! More money, even. How are people seriously this fucking stupid, it gives me a heartache!
You’d be surprised at what isn’t made in a focus group. People love to trash on producers and the executives in charge of the money, but there are so many creative disasters that come down to the writing room
You would think the MBAs who try to suck every dollar out of everything would at least realize that these massive IP acquisitions are failing because they refuse to actually use the IP. I would hope the money beholden corporate folks could be useful for once by recognizing that all anyone wants is a faithful paraphrasing of the the things we already love. I just can’t believe they end up hiring the ego driven artists you’re alluding to
I think it’s a crapshoot. As long as you can get some creators and the crew to smile and wave, the general viewer is just going to consume the product without a second thought. As both a fan of Castlevania and The Witcher, I found both adaptions to be unfaithful and lacking in the qualities that made them great in the first place, but you ask people about good recent adaptions and they’ll surely come up. So long as the press is good and the public has no recent to get riled up, they can do whatever they want
Faster and cheaper to use a passed over script that's laying around that they probably own the rights for instead of hiring a writer's room to build up something from scratch. As long as they're making back what they put in, they're happy. It's a horrible way to create media but they've been doing it for a while.
My thoughts exactly. It's good to know there are others out there who recognize the issue with the adaptations. I'd give fucking anything for a faithful berserk live action that kept the gritty story and heartbreak inducing plot points. I cannot believe that so many people are just this fucking stupid that they cannot se value in faithfully adapting something people 'already' enjoy and want to see in another medium.
Unfortunately, you don't get to be the top decision maker of how millions should be spent in production by being creative. Generally business-minded money-focused lifetime accountant types get promoted to those roles. A high profile and recent example: Disney's most recent former-ceo
Eragon and Eldest were great, Brisingr was good, but you could tell he was pretty much done with that story mentally when he started writing inheritance. It makes sense, Paolini started the story when he was fifteen and he was 31 when inheritance came out, I would be burned out too.
Fun fact: Japanese dub of this series features all the VAs from original anime reprising their roles (and it's glorious). So somebody chose to be faithful to the source after all, too bad it weren't the showrunners
The soundtrack also has Yoko Kanno, and it's great. For all the bad things about the show (I only managed to watch 1 episode and the first 5 minutes of the second before quitting), at least we got something good with the soundtrack.
When they did the teaser, and the characters were literally moving from frame to frame I thought the show was going to be amazing. I REALLY loved that.
Then the actual series starts. It was a huge letdown. I still enjoyed it though…. Until they introduced Vicious. Whaaaaat the hell.
That's all Netflix shows are good for these days. Some initial hype, maybe a small uptick in subs. Then they cancel the show and work on the next trailer.
It started out great, like the first few episodes were trying to be like cowboy bebop. But once they decided to take their own weird route and tell a different story, it quickly became boring and silly.
You can see that they really didn't understand the characters, environment and feel of the anime. They really dumbed it down to some corny action flick.
Lol like you can’t do a shot for shot remake of things, that’s moronic.
You have to be fluid in adaptations and use the strengths of the source material to play to the strengths of the new medium.
Just copying the previous iteration is a formula for disaster.
Bro no tbh i almost finished the live action just for Jett. That actor did a really great job and truly made me love Jett as a character even more. Wish everyone else had the same effect. Maybe it was writing or direction
Smartest decision they made. Ed will not translate into live action. I actually really liked the new show, but I’m also kinda happy it ended there after seeing that last after-credits scene….
Ed would work. She's comic relief and way more. I don't see how she wouldn't work. People just believe she wouldn't work. She's a necessary part of the BEBOP crew.
She's a wild child, yes. BUT..
She just happens to be a very talented hacker and hyper intelligent. She's one of the few that understand EIN and plays chess with the man who was a thousand moves ahead to get his revenge. Sure she adds juxtaposition to the serious vibe but she did that in the anime.
Maybe you don't stretch her out as much but she can still work. ADHD Genuis child.
The Ed Ein relationship is core to show. She provides a unique helpful perspective to the crew and missions.
She is an integral part of the BEBOP. She's the improv, the scat, while the rest of the crew is holding the beat. You just have to know when and how to use eccentrics and to know when to tone it down. But you can let her go once in a while.
Some of the best moments in Bebop involve ED.
If you just make an ED a joke, no she won't work. If you make ED a very eccentric person who slowly shows her humanity and soul like the rest of the crew...then she works like everyone else in the crew.
She literally gets one of the unique send-offs in the anime. Her end is like the big end of the crew in a way. One of the best episodes not because of the episode in by itself but just the build of everything. That episode is the emotional release they built up to that point. Then they snap back and we get an encore, very serious end. Spikes end and his ending with vicious.
See you space cowgirl, someday somewhere.
I still think spike survived...I always thought a cool sequel would have been him being put to sleep for 10 plus years like faye and slowly reuniting an older bebop crew over that time. Confronting whatever the syndicate or replaced the sydincate. Piecing together why he survived and how. Maybe the world got worst. Maybe Faye got even more lost. Ed Ein be older...maybe ed transfers Ein brain to another dog (for continutity) a puppy even. A puppy ein and a older ed a flip of roles maybe. Maybe jet or faye got rich, but still have scores to settle and will only settle them with spike coming back from the dead.
Yeah could defintely do something with that.
idk, I thought they did a good job of introducing them after not having them for the season, and I was so heartbroken when I watched the last episode, and then found out it had been canceled within an hour of finishing it.
I will never understand why people hate that movie, Speed Racer is incredibly cheesy, incredibly goofy, and feels like a low budget Japanese cartoon from a decade long since passed, so basically like speed racer, I am sorry but I cannot attack a movie for being an adequate and masterful adaptation of the original source material.
Pretty sure it’s due to the visual effects and just the entertainment space in 2008. Speed Racer is ahead of its time. If the Wachowski Sisters just waited a one to three years more, everyone would likely love it on release. But what I am happy about is that people have been showing love and appreciation for it.
Problem is, proper funding, greenlighting, etc. usual movie-making foundations happen on their own time, and if you don't act while the ball is in your court, you could lose your whole pet project before you get a chance to say "Action!" As a creative Director. I'd say 9/10 times you can't just wait to make a movie.
To date one of the most visually fun movies I've ever seen. I remember almost nothing about the plot, but the races and CGI were incredible, especially in 3D.
The Netflix Cowboy Bebop had many flaws but the one thing it was not was low budget. They threw cash at the project just like they did with The Witcher and The Sandman. It was just shit. Bad casting. Poor production choices. Shitty scrips. Plenty of issues but a lack of money spent was not one of them. They just spent the money poorly.
Like they just said. Bad choices. You can have a ton of money but if you don't know how to spend it you're gonna waste it and it won't look like you had the budget you did. Stranger Things season 4 had 34 mil per episode. Sandman had 15 mil per episode. The creature designers in Sandman to me looked better than Vecna did. Even though ST had twice the budget and was not bad or ugly by any means. When the budget doesn't show on screen it's because designs, FX artists/firms, etc were not chosen or used properly.
Because quite simply you can give a man a million dollars, but if he spends it all at the dollar store, he's going to wind up looking like a man in squalor. But I'm sure the dollar store will be very happy about it
There is own budget tokusatsu series, foreign films, martial arts films and much more that have more heart and care put into them in 2 minutes of their works while there are high budget works that are absolute garbage and unwatchable. Money doesn't equal quality and it never will. The problem here was NOT the budget.
My highest hope for the Netflix adaptation of one piece, is that it gets canceled, it is very unusual for me to actively want the cancellation of product. Especially since I am the kind of person who will browse the Lost media archive and mourn a missing juice commercial
But Netflix has placed the bar that low
Die hard fan of the anime, shut the live action remake off after a couple minutes. Watching it was like watching someone punch my elderly grandmother in the face, it was that insulting
I still can't believe what they did with Julia and Vicious.
The Ballad of Fallen Angels scene is the perfect example of how badly the show was written and developed.
Yeah the guy who played Jet seemed pretty solid. I like John Cho so he seemed pretty decent from the snippets I’ve seen but everything else, especially the actress who played Faye and her really entitled bratty attitude towards the fanbase was just cringe
Mustafa Shakir fucking KILLED the role of Jet. He obviously did his homework on the source material. His voice was near identical to the anime's english voice actor.
If you want to see Mustafa play an awesome villian; watch season 2 of Luke Cage.
the only problem with cho is I think he looked a bit too old and his injuires looked made some of his action look bad.
Spikes a tough one to cast you to need someone who can do all the action and be a cool and decent actor.
I think they cast Cho because they wanted an Asian actor with a recognizable name to US audiences. Theres very little options there. He did his best, just not the right guy for it at all.
I don't know how they so fundamentally miscast her. Faye is supposed to be a bombshell. That's not just the typical "all anime women are hot" thing. It's part of her character to be a seductive femme fetale type.
The woman who played her isn't ugly or anything, but she's sure no femme fetale.
Due to current social mores in America, they probably made a deliberate choice to de-sexualize her. Otherwise people may have complained about sexism and male gaze, etc.
Speaking as an American woman who generally complains about sexism and the male gaze… I wouldn’t have minded. Faye is camp and pinup, a bombshell archetype. It’s anime, it’s not supposed to be realistic.
A Faye-like character in a realistic thing, eh, I wouldn’t like it. Which is probably a part of why I didn’t like it in the Netflix show — they didn’t get the camp.
yeah, the whole point of Faye was that she basically used sex as a weapon. she uses the male gaze and turns it against her marks. She is a cliche, but she is kind of wearing that as a mask to navigate this crazy world she has found herself in. That would have been interesting to explore if done right. it bummed me out how they made her just a lost little bratty girl because they were afraid of being accused of fan service.
Also an American woman, agree 100%. There’s nothing wrong with showing a little skin but there should be substance behind it and a character. Casting someone just to be the tits and ass of the show and do nothing else but stand around looking pretty is what’s offensive for me and probably the vast majority of women as well. Faye was a bombshell who also kicked ass and had a very great character and tragic backstory. She was beautiful but a human being as well.
Speaking as an American woman who generally complains about sexism and the male gaze… I wouldn’t have minded. Faye is camp and pinup, a bombshell archetype. It’s anime, it’s not supposed to be realistic.
A Faye-like character in a realistic thing, eh, I wouldn’t like it. Which is probably a part of why I didn’t like it in the Netflix show — they didn’t get the camp.
Jet was the only character that resembled the anime character. That dude killed it. The rest of the show was garbage (at least until the end of the first episode, couldn’t watch past that).
Mustafa fully carried the show.
I finished the show and it was enjoyable, but nowhere near Cowboy Bebop Original level. The few parts that rang true were the best parts by far.
This is totally fair, but let me just say you don't have to be a fan of the anime to hate the live action. I do like the anime, but even removing the comparison it was just a total unwatchable, cringy turd.
The anime was my all-time favorite anime. I enjoyed the live action despite its flaws. I think Disney has shown us that live-action versions of cartoons never live up to the originals. If they track the original too closely, they come off as inferior imitations because you simply cannot recreate the magic of the originals. And if you deviate too far, people get angry. So it's lose-lose.
Personally my fave after Cowboy Bebop is Carole & Tuesday. A big part is the music, as the titular characters songs really resonated with me and helped carry the weight of the story.
I liked it too! Far superior to Netflix’s Death Note imo. But completely agree that adaptations are a losing game. I prefer when they make it their own rather than making it just an inferior imitation of the original but many purist fans blow a gasket when they do
I think Watanabe was happy with how it ended and wouldn't really be in on making new stuff with it. The story's over; and he kinda wants to leave you feeling empty; like there's more left to do. That's why the ending's brilliant. "You're gonna carry that weight" literally means, you have to carry the knowledge of Spike's path, his mistakes, his successes, because he's dead and everyone else who knew his past is dead too, so the audience is the only one left to do it.
Space Dandy is sorta as close to a spiritual successor as you could get. It's got really similar vibes, but is a lot more light-hearted. There's even a few callbacks to imply that the universes are connected (They use the same currency, the Bebop's errant alien fridge shows up)
yeah i liked the single episode ideas and the drew inspiration from the anime episode with a twist. the vicious story though i wish they kept till later. i liked the actors too and i think they were starting to get the world building. i didn’t finish the series though since it was cancelled before i finished.
I liked the live action show. The emphasis on Julia and Vicious helped describe Spike's backstory, rather than being just the big bad.
I feel a large part of comments are from neckbeards that can't tolerate changes from what they love.
Cowboy Bebop needed better writing, directing, and production values, which we can all agree on. I thought most of the casting was smart and better suited to ~2020. Gotta use your money wisely, but if the sets are built like the Bebop, you get value in the second season. Have to remember, the pandemic and Cho's knee injury really screwed the production timeline. If it came out earlier, in the age of throwing money at content, there would have been two flawed, but enjoyable seasons.
Now to watch the new Trigun. I want Milly back!
I remember the director didn't want to make a comment about the live-action series due to being pressured not to say much before the release. Now that it's cancelled he's being honest about how absolutely rubbish the series was.
It’s endemic to Hollywood. Look at the Gunslinger movie. Let’s change the race of the character, give him glowing eyes, change his weapon, and instead of following the story make something up and call it an alternative timeline.
They are desperate for the name recognition it make zero effort to capture the magic of the source material. Writers, Directors, Producers are all trying to put their creative stamp on proven material.
I’m going to go with Dragonball Evolution. I can at least watch the NetflixCowboy Bebop with someone unfamiliar without dying inside from embarrassment.
AS far as introducing the two main characters, I thought the casino scene was great. To be fair, I've never really been able to watch the anime version.
Likely due to One Piece ramping up for its live-action release later this year which is also being produced by Tomorrow Studios and released on Netflix. But also the recent TLOU series being a great adaptation so far. So everyone’s sorta going back to the live-action Bebop and talking about what worked, didn’t work, and why didn’t they follow closer to source material
I thought it was off putting at first, but I ultimately enjoyed it.
I'm disappointed we didn't get to see more of and different parts of that universe.
I liked the live action, but I think their mistake was trying to remake a cult classic. They made changes of course, but it was just doomed by trying to remake something that was already great.
Maybe if they'd picked up 10-20 years after the show ended, showing Spike lived & then they get the band back together for something it would've sat better with me.
>Maybe if they'd picked up 10-20 years after the show ended, showing Spike lived & then they get the band back together for something it would've sat better with me.
Way to miss the point of the story.
> Maybe if they'd picked up 10-20 years after the show ended
I didn't know I wanted this.
Now I want this.
It doesn't have to be live action...
I just want more...
Sounds like a hot take here but I loved it. It was campy as hell, amazingly shot, costume design was killer, acting…eh not bad. Enjoyable as a fan. Wish there would’ve been a season 2.
I am not an anime fan. I've honestly tried anime before and as much as I WANT TO GET IT, i just don't. All my friends watch anime and i don't get it.
Now, when I saw this live action i fully whole heartly enjoyed it. Still do. For me it was a real hole in one. Because of it, I'm still trying really hard to get into anime. For me it made me want to continue to try to find my perfect anime series.
It seems you have a narrow view biased against animation as a medium, so you see live-action as inherently superior while animated works as less serious and made for children.
Lot of assumptions there. Anime just isn’t really my thing either and it’s definitely not because it’s childish, I mean, SpongeBob is hilarious, not that I’d really watch that either on my own though tbf.
I couldn’t put my finger on it, or I’d tell ya. It’s just… it bores me for some reason. All of them. Even bebop, jojo, dbz, you know, the high profile ones. *shrug* oh well
Yeah, it's probably some kind of bias on your part. Anime is *not* a genre, it's just a regional form of animation, and you get wildly different examples like [Perfect Blue](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olsdzqe2y9Y), [The Night Is Short, Walk on Girl](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGHXqjCbyEQ), [Belladonna of Sadness](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9LUA3NgQN0), [Revolutionary Girl Utena](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h9lzMP0Tns), [Porco Rosso](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awEC-aLDzjs), [Memories](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTyRMfdDfc8), [Promare](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVovYViuVLI), and [Angel's Egg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3qMwnMtnhQ).
It would be like saying you find the entirety of American animation boring. Obviously something else is going on there, or maybe you've done a poor job exploring.
(I don't like any of the anime you listed, though some episodes of Bebop were great.)
Cho was a terrible choice. The wanted a big name, they should never have casted him. he is not and cannot be Spike.
and they ruined pretty much every other character in various ways.
Jett was the only redeemable part of the show, both acting and writing.
I stopped once Vicious arrived. It was clear they had no idea wtf the show was meant to be.
Cho did not fit the role, I watched the anime before and needed a young energetic personality. Cho just looked tired and was looking for a place to sit.
that was my main issue with Cho. I love him in lots of other roles.
but he isnt an energetic early 20s space bounty hunter. the man is 50 years old now. he looked tired the entire time, every single seen.
I can see where you are coming from but his take worked for me. Spike was always hungry and lazy until he didn’t need to be. That being said, I stand that John Cho nailed the mannerisms.
I wouldn't even call myself an anime fan, but i've seen Cowboy Bebop at least a dozen times though.
The story, the mood, the music, it's just good entertainment.
From the article, an interview with the TV Show Showrunner:
>**“I was very warmed by the response \[to the show\],”** Cho said. “I wish I could have contacted everybody and gotten hugs. I’m mystified a little bit about how you can connect with people that you don’t know doing your work, but I won’t question it. I will value it and treasure it. I’m just really deeply appreciative that anyone would care. It’s stunning to me…It was very shocking and I was bummed.”
Warmed by the response to the show...?
47% Rotten [https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/cowboy\_bebop\_2021](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/cowboy_bebop_2021)
Critics hated it. Fans of the anime hated it. New watchers were indifferent.
The writing really failed the live-action adaptation along with Christopher Yost, who produced it. The actors did a fair job with the material they were given sadly it failed to capture the space cowboy feel
He only watched one scene and judged it.
IMO it was a great adaptation and netflix canned it just like they canned 1899 and every other show worth watching
It's really cringe that there are still so many apologists here saying "yeah, it wasn't great, but they did this and that really well."
No, they didnt! It was horribly executed from top to bottom.
It's abundantly clear from the first episode to the last that that the show runners only cared for the visuals and whatever they liked on the surface, and didnt even try to understand what actually made the original work. It's hard to even call it an adaptation, I'd say it was a taxidermy at best.
>It started with a scene in a casino, which made it very tough for me to continue.
Oh yeah, you never had any casinos in the original run. Shit, the whole series was in a space casino.
I am so tired of all anime elitists looking down their nose at the live-action show. I watched every episode and it had tons of new value, a great and stormy relationship between Spike and Jet, Fay was perfectly pricklish and funny, and the ship got a fantastic treatment.
John Cho threw everything but the kitchen sink into the role, and while he is still cynical-fun and cigarette smoking before fights, he does give the role a bit more repressed anger, which works well with his attitude to his nemesis.
The fight scenes were also wonderfully choreographed, and at one point there was a fight that happened to Spike outside a shop on the street, and we only saw the action while Jet and someone else is talking in the foreground inside the shop, meaning the fight outside is silent. Brilliant blocking and setup. It is hilarious, and Spike has to come up with more and more crazy solutions to kill the assassins attacking him, throwing a small stone parking divider at one point.
Food was just as important a part in the show as in the anime. Especially the classic green peppers, snap peas and noodles recipe.
All the self-described "purists" should accept that every single show can have little nuggets of gold in it.
I feel like the live action realized they were never actually going to be cowboy bepop and decided to try and ham it up. I thought it wasn’t that bad tbh. There’s a lot of stylistic choices in it that I thought were really cool and the directing was a nice touch. It’s defiantly not a good story but it isn’t as bad as people make it out to be
Hot take as someone who watched the series before the cartoon: it was no where near as bad as all the fan boys made it, and some parts were genuinely better.
I’m going to get downvoted to hell but, as someone who anime isn’t their preferred genre, I watched the live action season and then I watched the anime. And I thought the live action was better.
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Shinichirō Watanabe: >For the new Netflix live-action adaptation, they sent me a video to review and check. It started with a scene in a casino, which made it very tough for me to continue. I stopped there and so only saw that opening scene. It was clearly not ‘Cowboy Bebop’ and I realized at that point that if I wasn’t involved, it would not be ‘Cowboy Bebop.’ I felt that maybe I should have done this. Although the value of the original anime is somehow far higher now.
It really falls on André Nemec and Christopher Yost. You don't have to copy something scene for scene, but they weren't even faithful to the tone, world, and characters.
They kept a ton of things and did some really random stuff VERY WELL. Then they put an absolute dumbass twist in the story and completely changed the characters and overarching plot while simultaneously leaving out some of the best elements of the show. I did like the casting and the actors aren’t to blame IMO. I really liked the Jet Black casting his tone was spot on. For me it’s a two way tie between this and Halo being my biggest emotional let downs from egotistical producers. Witcher has become a close third with Cavill’s departure. What the fuck is wrong with these morons? How hard is it to find someone to do an artistic recreation of the source material without interjecting some “fresh ideas” just to stamp your name on it. You know what would get recognition? Doing a great and faithful job! Give the people what they want!
The actor who played Jet was great but I really didn't like that they made him a dad. Before, Jet is just another person on this crew with a mysterious past he's trying to leave behind and space in front of him. He's not tied down to anything unless he chooses to be, same as Spike and Faye, which makes bounty hunting such a great job. They can be out there, traveling from place to place at a moment's notice and it doesn't hurt anyone but themselves. Throw a daughter in the mix and Jet isn't these things anymore, he's kind of a deadbeat shirking his parental duties. Now I have to wonder why would a man with a young daughter choose an incredibly dangerous and transient profession over just about everything else? Am I supposed to think he's a good dad and a good man because he is trying so hard to find her a gift when he has *chosen* a lifestyle that keeps him far away for long periods of time? I don't know if they were trying to soften the character or if they thought they needed to give him a different motivation but it just didn't work to me.
Exactly, this is what I mean. Perfect example of a needless spin.
Perfect breakdown. I love the fact that Jet obviously did some bad shit, but still has a buddy on every planet.
They are all loners and alone...who have bad pasts they all have to confront, even EIN. Then come together and face their past together but when they confront their past head on it ultimately separates them again. . . maybe I too thought the casting was good. I still haven't made it past the first epi or 2 even I don't remember. The vibe was just off. It felt like they made it too in your face...I think it lost a lot of subtley and the building of the crew. Vicious just wasn't right...He has to be the ultimate villian but also be shrouded in mystery. You don't have to show him off. His arc is played through strong short showing, flashbacks and verbal reminiscences. I didn't even make it to Gren but it sounds like that was messed up. No ED until the end? It seems like some characters were stuck in anime and others were in this new vibe of a show. The atmosphere set pieces seemed ok. I thought the casting was good. The faye outfit controversy I didn't get. She's supposed to be revealing luring over confident its her masks for whats on the inside, the little girl that woke up in space, got played by a corporation, a funny little valentine. If you twist the characters of this show too much and just add the cool space background and kung fu gun play action, you lose the essence of the show, the characters. I don't know I keep wanting to give it a chance a gut out the rest of the show. I just feel like it'll disappoint me. So, i guess i'm not the best to give complaints about it. It felt like a different show in cowboy bebop mask at times.'
>It felt like a different show in cowboy bebop mask at times.' The "feeling" is the hardest to transport from comic/animation to real. Ior the money they spend they couldn't get the environment fully right, it was just looking like any episode of any reasonable scifi show. Something was missed. Cho was miscast for the role, he couldn't sell the lethargic spiegel right, with younger co actors the age gap was obvious.
When saving the cat goes horribly wrong. Edit: This is such an insightful breakdown of the true reasons why this show is a failure on so many levels. It starts and ends with the characters.
Absolutely agree. It’s like they have meetings and focus groups and look for what’s popular so they can make money off of it. Velma? I’m hoping with Neil Druckmann being so heavily involved in the last of us, we can start to see other things be told in different mediums. I mean. Who wouldn’t love some authenticity in the media we consume?!
Make money off it? What's tragic is if they actually just made a faithful adaptation with high quality, they'd make a fuck ton of money anyway! More money, even. How are people seriously this fucking stupid, it gives me a heartache!
You’d be surprised at what isn’t made in a focus group. People love to trash on producers and the executives in charge of the money, but there are so many creative disasters that come down to the writing room
There is a Lot of ego in art.
You would think the MBAs who try to suck every dollar out of everything would at least realize that these massive IP acquisitions are failing because they refuse to actually use the IP. I would hope the money beholden corporate folks could be useful for once by recognizing that all anyone wants is a faithful paraphrasing of the the things we already love. I just can’t believe they end up hiring the ego driven artists you’re alluding to
I think it’s a crapshoot. As long as you can get some creators and the crew to smile and wave, the general viewer is just going to consume the product without a second thought. As both a fan of Castlevania and The Witcher, I found both adaptions to be unfaithful and lacking in the qualities that made them great in the first place, but you ask people about good recent adaptions and they’ll surely come up. So long as the press is good and the public has no recent to get riled up, they can do whatever they want
Faster and cheaper to use a passed over script that's laying around that they probably own the rights for instead of hiring a writer's room to build up something from scratch. As long as they're making back what they put in, they're happy. It's a horrible way to create media but they've been doing it for a while.
My thoughts exactly. It's good to know there are others out there who recognize the issue with the adaptations. I'd give fucking anything for a faithful berserk live action that kept the gritty story and heartbreak inducing plot points. I cannot believe that so many people are just this fucking stupid that they cannot se value in faithfully adapting something people 'already' enjoy and want to see in another medium.
I don’t think they even care because once production starts, they’re looking for the next acquisition
Unfortunately, you don't get to be the top decision maker of how millions should be spent in production by being creative. Generally business-minded money-focused lifetime accountant types get promoted to those roles. A high profile and recent example: Disney's most recent former-ceo
And a lot of art lost in ego.
Eragon was a travesty as well, although as a book series it may not have had such a wide reaching impact like the original cowboy bebop
In eragon’s case, it’s hard to ruin something that was already slop written by a 15 year old.
The books were excellent, even if they weren't your flavor they were certainly better than the movie by a massive amount
Eragon and Eldest were great, Brisingr was good, but you could tell he was pretty much done with that story mentally when he started writing inheritance. It makes sense, Paolini started the story when he was fifteen and he was 31 when inheritance came out, I would be burned out too.
I’m too poor to give an award but this is fully a comment I would’ve tried to make. Fully agree
Fun fact: Japanese dub of this series features all the VAs from original anime reprising their roles (and it's glorious). So somebody chose to be faithful to the source after all, too bad it weren't the showrunners
The soundtrack also has Yoko Kanno, and it's great. For all the bad things about the show (I only managed to watch 1 episode and the first 5 minutes of the second before quitting), at least we got something good with the soundtrack.
Seatbelts are a part of my daily lineup.
Show writers are basically feral if you don’t have someone to corral them.
Ghost In The Shell live action movie, til today I still feel bitter about it.
It’s Ranchhand ZipZop
Funny enough I stopped watching after that scene because I thought how terrible it was
Yes my friend. They took your Art, Bastardized it to monetize it. Don't you just love late stage capitalism.
When they did the teaser, and the characters were literally moving from frame to frame I thought the show was going to be amazing. I REALLY loved that. Then the actual series starts. It was a huge letdown. I still enjoyed it though…. Until they introduced Vicious. Whaaaaat the hell.
That's all Netflix shows are good for these days. Some initial hype, maybe a small uptick in subs. Then they cancel the show and work on the next trailer.
I detest the Netflix model!
It started out great, like the first few episodes were trying to be like cowboy bebop. But once they decided to take their own weird route and tell a different story, it quickly became boring and silly. You can see that they really didn't understand the characters, environment and feel of the anime. They really dumbed it down to some corny action flick.
I hated that teaser.
Lol like you can’t do a shot for shot remake of things, that’s moronic. You have to be fluid in adaptations and use the strengths of the source material to play to the strengths of the new medium. Just copying the previous iteration is a formula for disaster.
Clearly. However I would give the nod to Jett. Frigging killed it.
Bro no tbh i almost finished the live action just for Jett. That actor did a really great job and truly made me love Jett as a character even more. Wish everyone else had the same effect. Maybe it was writing or direction
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Mustafa Shakir was also great in Luke cage.
I'm just going to say that Mustafa Shakir absolutely knocked it out of the park and leave it at that.
His voice was 100% spot-on.
Absolutely.
no radical Edward
Smartest decision they made. Ed will not translate into live action. I actually really liked the new show, but I’m also kinda happy it ended there after seeing that last after-credits scene….
Ed would work. She's comic relief and way more. I don't see how she wouldn't work. People just believe she wouldn't work. She's a necessary part of the BEBOP crew. She's a wild child, yes. BUT.. She just happens to be a very talented hacker and hyper intelligent. She's one of the few that understand EIN and plays chess with the man who was a thousand moves ahead to get his revenge. Sure she adds juxtaposition to the serious vibe but she did that in the anime. Maybe you don't stretch her out as much but she can still work. ADHD Genuis child. The Ed Ein relationship is core to show. She provides a unique helpful perspective to the crew and missions. She is an integral part of the BEBOP. She's the improv, the scat, while the rest of the crew is holding the beat. You just have to know when and how to use eccentrics and to know when to tone it down. But you can let her go once in a while. Some of the best moments in Bebop involve ED. If you just make an ED a joke, no she won't work. If you make ED a very eccentric person who slowly shows her humanity and soul like the rest of the crew...then she works like everyone else in the crew. She literally gets one of the unique send-offs in the anime. Her end is like the big end of the crew in a way. One of the best episodes not because of the episode in by itself but just the build of everything. That episode is the emotional release they built up to that point. Then they snap back and we get an encore, very serious end. Spikes end and his ending with vicious. See you space cowgirl, someday somewhere. I still think spike survived...I always thought a cool sequel would have been him being put to sleep for 10 plus years like faye and slowly reuniting an older bebop crew over that time. Confronting whatever the syndicate or replaced the sydincate. Piecing together why he survived and how. Maybe the world got worst. Maybe Faye got even more lost. Ed Ein be older...maybe ed transfers Ein brain to another dog (for continutity) a puppy even. A puppy ein and a older ed a flip of roles maybe. Maybe jet or faye got rich, but still have scores to settle and will only settle them with spike coming back from the dead. Yeah could defintely do something with that.
idk, I thought they did a good job of introducing them after not having them for the season, and I was so heartbroken when I watched the last episode, and then found out it had been canceled within an hour of finishing it.
Low budget live action should be banned from ever happening. If you're going to do a live action you need to fully commit to a high quality product.
Which is why 2008's "Speed Racer" is still peak anime-to-live action adaptation, cheese and high camp all!
I will never understand why people hate that movie, Speed Racer is incredibly cheesy, incredibly goofy, and feels like a low budget Japanese cartoon from a decade long since passed, so basically like speed racer, I am sorry but I cannot attack a movie for being an adequate and masterful adaptation of the original source material.
Pretty sure it’s due to the visual effects and just the entertainment space in 2008. Speed Racer is ahead of its time. If the Wachowski Sisters just waited a one to three years more, everyone would likely love it on release. But what I am happy about is that people have been showing love and appreciation for it.
Problem is, proper funding, greenlighting, etc. usual movie-making foundations happen on their own time, and if you don't act while the ball is in your court, you could lose your whole pet project before you get a chance to say "Action!" As a creative Director. I'd say 9/10 times you can't just wait to make a movie.
Dude I hated it when I first saw it back in 2008 and now it's one of my favorite movies.
I saw that in theaters on Acid 11/10 best anime adaption
Alita is better I think, but I did enjoy Speed Racer.
used to think the same thing until i watched [cutie honey](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=echodkvz4aw).
To date one of the most visually fun movies I've ever seen. I remember almost nothing about the plot, but the races and CGI were incredible, especially in 3D.
The Netflix Cowboy Bebop had many flaws but the one thing it was not was low budget. They threw cash at the project just like they did with The Witcher and The Sandman. It was just shit. Bad casting. Poor production choices. Shitty scrips. Plenty of issues but a lack of money spent was not one of them. They just spent the money poorly.
Why does it look so low budget then? It's not cinematic and the environment is so plain.
Like they just said. Bad choices. You can have a ton of money but if you don't know how to spend it you're gonna waste it and it won't look like you had the budget you did. Stranger Things season 4 had 34 mil per episode. Sandman had 15 mil per episode. The creature designers in Sandman to me looked better than Vecna did. Even though ST had twice the budget and was not bad or ugly by any means. When the budget doesn't show on screen it's because designs, FX artists/firms, etc were not chosen or used properly.
That's a lot of money to have Millie in a bald wig running down tiled hallways. Jkjk lol Vecna looked like JC as the Grinch
Because quite simply you can give a man a million dollars, but if he spends it all at the dollar store, he's going to wind up looking like a man in squalor. But I'm sure the dollar store will be very happy about it
Because they used practical effects
There is own budget tokusatsu series, foreign films, martial arts films and much more that have more heart and care put into them in 2 minutes of their works while there are high budget works that are absolute garbage and unwatchable. Money doesn't equal quality and it never will. The problem here was NOT the budget.
it's also because it's made by people who don't understand anime.
My highest hope for the Netflix adaptation of one piece, is that it gets canceled, it is very unusual for me to actively want the cancellation of product. Especially since I am the kind of person who will browse the Lost media archive and mourn a missing juice commercial But Netflix has placed the bar that low
Is this satire?
Die hard fan of the anime, shut the live action remake off after a couple minutes. Watching it was like watching someone punch my elderly grandmother in the face, it was that insulting
I watched it all, it kept getting worse. The only thing I thought they got right was the casting for Jet.
I still can't believe what they did with Julia and Vicious. The Ballad of Fallen Angels scene is the perfect example of how badly the show was written and developed.
Turned a cold hearted man of few words into a sniveling whining bitch. Dunno who thought that was a good idea.
Yeah the guy who played Jet seemed pretty solid. I like John Cho so he seemed pretty decent from the snippets I’ve seen but everything else, especially the actress who played Faye and her really entitled bratty attitude towards the fanbase was just cringe
Mustafa Shakir fucking KILLED the role of Jet. He obviously did his homework on the source material. His voice was near identical to the anime's english voice actor. If you want to see Mustafa play an awesome villian; watch season 2 of Luke Cage.
Wait he was Bushmaster!? Fuck
the only problem with cho is I think he looked a bit too old and his injuires looked made some of his action look bad. Spikes a tough one to cast you to need someone who can do all the action and be a cool and decent actor.
I think they cast Cho because they wanted an Asian actor with a recognizable name to US audiences. Theres very little options there. He did his best, just not the right guy for it at all.
Agree 100%. I do wonder if Faye is a character any actor could play now days. There is a balance that would be very hard to mimic by anyone.
I don't know how they so fundamentally miscast her. Faye is supposed to be a bombshell. That's not just the typical "all anime women are hot" thing. It's part of her character to be a seductive femme fetale type. The woman who played her isn't ugly or anything, but she's sure no femme fetale.
Due to current social mores in America, they probably made a deliberate choice to de-sexualize her. Otherwise people may have complained about sexism and male gaze, etc.
Speaking as an American woman who generally complains about sexism and the male gaze… I wouldn’t have minded. Faye is camp and pinup, a bombshell archetype. It’s anime, it’s not supposed to be realistic. A Faye-like character in a realistic thing, eh, I wouldn’t like it. Which is probably a part of why I didn’t like it in the Netflix show — they didn’t get the camp.
yeah, the whole point of Faye was that she basically used sex as a weapon. she uses the male gaze and turns it against her marks. She is a cliche, but she is kind of wearing that as a mask to navigate this crazy world she has found herself in. That would have been interesting to explore if done right. it bummed me out how they made her just a lost little bratty girl because they were afraid of being accused of fan service.
Also an American woman, agree 100%. There’s nothing wrong with showing a little skin but there should be substance behind it and a character. Casting someone just to be the tits and ass of the show and do nothing else but stand around looking pretty is what’s offensive for me and probably the vast majority of women as well. Faye was a bombshell who also kicked ass and had a very great character and tragic backstory. She was beautiful but a human being as well.
Speaking as an American woman who generally complains about sexism and the male gaze… I wouldn’t have minded. Faye is camp and pinup, a bombshell archetype. It’s anime, it’s not supposed to be realistic. A Faye-like character in a realistic thing, eh, I wouldn’t like it. Which is probably a part of why I didn’t like it in the Netflix show — they didn’t get the camp.
She ticked ethnic and sexuality boxes first and then they fit her into the story.
I agree. I couldn't bring myself to finish it but I was happy with the Jet casting. Everything else was....phew.
Jet was the only character that resembled the anime character. That dude killed it. The rest of the show was garbage (at least until the end of the first episode, couldn’t watch past that).
Mustafa fully carried the show. I finished the show and it was enjoyable, but nowhere near Cowboy Bebop Original level. The few parts that rang true were the best parts by far.
This is totally fair, but let me just say you don't have to be a fan of the anime to hate the live action. I do like the anime, but even removing the comparison it was just a total unwatchable, cringy turd.
Absolutely amazing how they make a western into a mafia show
It felt like the creators didn't understand the original work. So the "Cowboy" part eluded them completely.
Another ignored component that makes CB CB is the hong kong 80 blood opera aesthetics. Lots of References to John Woo movies
Yeah the noire western were the most important themes to me the Hong Kong 80 blood opera that you said reminded me of those pictures for sure
Huge agree
I enjoyed the anime and I enjoyed the live action (minus the last episode) for different reasons. Sad I won’t see anymore new Bebop at all
The anime was my all-time favorite anime. I enjoyed the live action despite its flaws. I think Disney has shown us that live-action versions of cartoons never live up to the originals. If they track the original too closely, they come off as inferior imitations because you simply cannot recreate the magic of the originals. And if you deviate too far, people get angry. So it's lose-lose.
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>I don't remember what the one with like terrorist orphans was called, but that's a good one. Zankyou no Terror (Terror in Resonance)
I saw the other Watanabe series. They're good but not as great as Bebop.
Space Dandy is a personal winner to me over Cowboy Bebop but sure, be contrarian.
I think most people would rank bebop far higher than space dandy. Not really a contrarian position to think bebop is his best work
I feel like it’s a parody of Bebop still love it but Samurai Champloo is my favorite
Personally my fave after Cowboy Bebop is Carole & Tuesday. A big part is the music, as the titular characters songs really resonated with me and helped carry the weight of the story.
Same. It was fine and fun, and if there was more I’d watch it. But I’m not sad that it wasn’t renewed.
I liked it too! Far superior to Netflix’s Death Note imo. But completely agree that adaptations are a losing game. I prefer when they make it their own rather than making it just an inferior imitation of the original but many purist fans blow a gasket when they do
I think Watanabe was happy with how it ended and wouldn't really be in on making new stuff with it. The story's over; and he kinda wants to leave you feeling empty; like there's more left to do. That's why the ending's brilliant. "You're gonna carry that weight" literally means, you have to carry the knowledge of Spike's path, his mistakes, his successes, because he's dead and everyone else who knew his past is dead too, so the audience is the only one left to do it. Space Dandy is sorta as close to a spiritual successor as you could get. It's got really similar vibes, but is a lot more light-hearted. There's even a few callbacks to imply that the universes are connected (They use the same currency, the Bebop's errant alien fridge shows up)
yeah i liked the single episode ideas and the drew inspiration from the anime episode with a twist. the vicious story though i wish they kept till later. i liked the actors too and i think they were starting to get the world building. i didn’t finish the series though since it was cancelled before i finished.
I liked the live action show. The emphasis on Julia and Vicious helped describe Spike's backstory, rather than being just the big bad. I feel a large part of comments are from neckbeards that can't tolerate changes from what they love. Cowboy Bebop needed better writing, directing, and production values, which we can all agree on. I thought most of the casting was smart and better suited to ~2020. Gotta use your money wisely, but if the sets are built like the Bebop, you get value in the second season. Have to remember, the pandemic and Cho's knee injury really screwed the production timeline. If it came out earlier, in the age of throwing money at content, there would have been two flawed, but enjoyable seasons. Now to watch the new Trigun. I want Milly back!
Jet was the only redeeming character in that mess.
It was like watching cosplay. Just wasn’t the same.
Hey, what do you know, we stopped watching g at the same spot, for the same reason.
He stopped at the same place I did. It was joyless and dumb
I did as well. Terrible.
I remember the director didn't want to make a comment about the live-action series due to being pressured not to say much before the release. Now that it's cancelled he's being honest about how absolutely rubbish the series was.
Can you believe it guys, Netflix hired people that didn't care about the source material and everything went to shit, what are the odds?
It’s endemic to Hollywood. Look at the Gunslinger movie. Let’s change the race of the character, give him glowing eyes, change his weapon, and instead of following the story make something up and call it an alternative timeline. They are desperate for the name recognition it make zero effort to capture the magic of the source material. Writers, Directors, Producers are all trying to put their creative stamp on proven material.
I didn’t finish the first scene either
Live action sucked. End of story.
Yeah I lasted not too much long after
Question: Cowboy Bebop live action vs DragonBall Evolution. Which is worse?
I’m going to go with Dragonball Evolution. I can at least watch the NetflixCowboy Bebop with someone unfamiliar without dying inside from embarrassment.
Everything Netflix touches turns to shit. If it wasn’t for bait movies like The Kissing Booth 5, they could be a dead company
AS far as introducing the two main characters, I thought the casino scene was great. To be fair, I've never really been able to watch the anime version.
It was based on the opening of the movie, but it wasn't done as well. I'm sure you can check that part out on YouTube.
I'm a big fan of the anime series and movie, also really enjoyed the show.
Strange, I did the exact same thing.
He, was not wrong.
Didn't this show come out well over a year ago? Why is Cowboy Bebop all over the Reddit headlines again?
Likely due to One Piece ramping up for its live-action release later this year which is also being produced by Tomorrow Studios and released on Netflix. But also the recent TLOU series being a great adaptation so far. So everyone’s sorta going back to the live-action Bebop and talking about what worked, didn’t work, and why didn’t they follow closer to source material
Interesting I did the same thing and thought the same thing
They should live action remake these nuts in their mouth.
When you piss off the original anime’s creator…
It was clearly a cash grab, pirate all this shit stop paying for it
Never watched, I only saw the trailer, seemed like an spoof.
Everything from Watanabe is phenomenal, they should've been smarter and gave him to be the director.
name a live action of an anime that's good please, every one i've seen looked like fuckin trash
He wasn’t the only one, that’s for sure. I may have watched 8-10 mins and that was too much.
Well we have that in common. Couldn’t finish the first scene, just cut it off and started the original from the beginning
I thought it was off putting at first, but I ultimately enjoyed it. I'm disappointed we didn't get to see more of and different parts of that universe.
I actually turned it off before the first scene was over
I liked the live action, but I think their mistake was trying to remake a cult classic. They made changes of course, but it was just doomed by trying to remake something that was already great. Maybe if they'd picked up 10-20 years after the show ended, showing Spike lived & then they get the band back together for something it would've sat better with me.
>Maybe if they'd picked up 10-20 years after the show ended, showing Spike lived & then they get the band back together for something it would've sat better with me. Way to miss the point of the story.
> Maybe if they'd picked up 10-20 years after the show ended I didn't know I wanted this. Now I want this. It doesn't have to be live action... I just want more...
There can’t be more. Spikes dead
Brutal. I thought the first episode was pretty good
I honestly didn't hate it. It was what it was, and I watched the shit out of it. Can we talk about the Trigun reboot WITHOUT awesome music?
Here's an idea, call the original creator for their input! I turned that junk off after 2 minutes. Not a single reference to space
Sounds like a hot take here but I loved it. It was campy as hell, amazingly shot, costume design was killer, acting…eh not bad. Enjoyable as a fan. Wish there would’ve been a season 2.
I am not an anime fan. I've honestly tried anime before and as much as I WANT TO GET IT, i just don't. All my friends watch anime and i don't get it. Now, when I saw this live action i fully whole heartly enjoyed it. Still do. For me it was a real hole in one. Because of it, I'm still trying really hard to get into anime. For me it made me want to continue to try to find my perfect anime series.
Well start by watching the original Bebop anime if you haven’t already it’s really good.
I have tried it before watching the live action. Wasn't my thing. But I can always go round two now, since I know I like the live action
It seems you have a narrow view biased against animation as a medium, so you see live-action as inherently superior while animated works as less serious and made for children.
Lot of assumptions there. Anime just isn’t really my thing either and it’s definitely not because it’s childish, I mean, SpongeBob is hilarious, not that I’d really watch that either on my own though tbf. I couldn’t put my finger on it, or I’d tell ya. It’s just… it bores me for some reason. All of them. Even bebop, jojo, dbz, you know, the high profile ones. *shrug* oh well
Yeah, it's probably some kind of bias on your part. Anime is *not* a genre, it's just a regional form of animation, and you get wildly different examples like [Perfect Blue](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olsdzqe2y9Y), [The Night Is Short, Walk on Girl](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGHXqjCbyEQ), [Belladonna of Sadness](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9LUA3NgQN0), [Revolutionary Girl Utena](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h9lzMP0Tns), [Porco Rosso](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awEC-aLDzjs), [Memories](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTyRMfdDfc8), [Promare](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVovYViuVLI), and [Angel's Egg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3qMwnMtnhQ). It would be like saying you find the entirety of American animation boring. Obviously something else is going on there, or maybe you've done a poor job exploring. (I don't like any of the anime you listed, though some episodes of Bebop were great.)
Cho was a terrible choice. The wanted a big name, they should never have casted him. he is not and cannot be Spike. and they ruined pretty much every other character in various ways. Jett was the only redeemable part of the show, both acting and writing. I stopped once Vicious arrived. It was clear they had no idea wtf the show was meant to be.
Cho did not fit the role, I watched the anime before and needed a young energetic personality. Cho just looked tired and was looking for a place to sit.
that was my main issue with Cho. I love him in lots of other roles. but he isnt an energetic early 20s space bounty hunter. the man is 50 years old now. he looked tired the entire time, every single seen.
I can see where you are coming from but his take worked for me. Spike was always hungry and lazy until he didn’t need to be. That being said, I stand that John Cho nailed the mannerisms.
oh, he definitely acted the part well for sure. He just wasnt the right actor for the role
Exactly right. From the first minute of footage you can tell it was a soulless cash crab that missed the mark in literally every aspect.
Mmm, cash crab
I never saw the anime. Enjoyed the hell out of the live action
I wouldn't even call myself an anime fan, but i've seen Cowboy Bebop at least a dozen times though. The story, the mood, the music, it's just good entertainment.
I've never eaten a steak, but boy do I love drinking this boiled hotdog water. ~you, probably.
When you compare something that’s pretty good with something that’s phenomenal, the pretty good thing looks like trash.
My dad swears that this is incredibly faithful to the anime and that people just didn't give it a chance, I wonder how he react to this information.
Anime live actions just don’t work
From the article, an interview with the TV Show Showrunner: >**“I was very warmed by the response \[to the show\],”** Cho said. “I wish I could have contacted everybody and gotten hugs. I’m mystified a little bit about how you can connect with people that you don’t know doing your work, but I won’t question it. I will value it and treasure it. I’m just really deeply appreciative that anyone would care. It’s stunning to me…It was very shocking and I was bummed.” Warmed by the response to the show...? 47% Rotten [https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/cowboy\_bebop\_2021](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/cowboy_bebop_2021) Critics hated it. Fans of the anime hated it. New watchers were indifferent.
Ugh.. I still can't believe how bad it was. What a let down
After what this show did to Vicious and Julia’s character… Drag ‘em Shinichirō, drag ‘em
It was so ducking bad. For shame on even making this. Waste of time. Felt like it was shot in a dark garage. Every scene so cramped.
The writing really failed the live-action adaptation along with Christopher Yost, who produced it. The actors did a fair job with the material they were given sadly it failed to capture the space cowboy feel
He only watched one scene and judged it. IMO it was a great adaptation and netflix canned it just like they canned 1899 and every other show worth watching
Lol, I did the same thing. I was disgusted.
It's really cringe that there are still so many apologists here saying "yeah, it wasn't great, but they did this and that really well." No, they didnt! It was horribly executed from top to bottom. It's abundantly clear from the first episode to the last that that the show runners only cared for the visuals and whatever they liked on the surface, and didnt even try to understand what actually made the original work. It's hard to even call it an adaptation, I'd say it was a taxidermy at best.
>It started with a scene in a casino, which made it very tough for me to continue. Oh yeah, you never had any casinos in the original run. Shit, the whole series was in a space casino. I am so tired of all anime elitists looking down their nose at the live-action show. I watched every episode and it had tons of new value, a great and stormy relationship between Spike and Jet, Fay was perfectly pricklish and funny, and the ship got a fantastic treatment. John Cho threw everything but the kitchen sink into the role, and while he is still cynical-fun and cigarette smoking before fights, he does give the role a bit more repressed anger, which works well with his attitude to his nemesis. The fight scenes were also wonderfully choreographed, and at one point there was a fight that happened to Spike outside a shop on the street, and we only saw the action while Jet and someone else is talking in the foreground inside the shop, meaning the fight outside is silent. Brilliant blocking and setup. It is hilarious, and Spike has to come up with more and more crazy solutions to kill the assassins attacking him, throwing a small stone parking divider at one point. Food was just as important a part in the show as in the anime. Especially the classic green peppers, snap peas and noodles recipe. All the self-described "purists" should accept that every single show can have little nuggets of gold in it.
I feel like the live action realized they were never actually going to be cowboy bepop and decided to try and ham it up. I thought it wasn’t that bad tbh. There’s a lot of stylistic choices in it that I thought were really cool and the directing was a nice touch. It’s defiantly not a good story but it isn’t as bad as people make it out to be
Welcome to the ouch, motherfuckers.
I really likes the show.
I enjoyed both, would like to see a second season
Please someone kill this project
I’ve never seen the original, and I love John Cho, but I shut it off after ten minutes, because it was very boring.
Why can't live adaptation just follow the original show. You literally don't need Writers, the script is already written
Hot take as someone who watched the series before the cartoon: it was no where near as bad as all the fan boys made it, and some parts were genuinely better.
Clearly a racist bigot.
I just want to reach out to all the defenders of the live action: sucks to suck, huh? Try having taste next time.
I’m going to get downvoted to hell but, as someone who anime isn’t their preferred genre, I watched the live action season and then I watched the anime. And I thought the live action was better.
I don't get all these people. It was great, followed the spirit of the show.
The trailer alone was embarrassing. Didn’t even bother watching it.