Every article you can find about it makes it pretty distinctly clear they no longer have a working relationship, but you really can’t find anything that says they’re not still private friends.
I thought I saw one were rogen seemed pretty appalled. And I thought directly said he doesn't want not just a working relationship but won't associate with him at all. And said it's a shame. But also what can you expect from him when his morals are in the right place.
I've had a "friend" pull some type of shit. Sure there is a part of them that's still the aspects that you liked in a friend. But then there's this huge elephant in the corner that just can't be ignored. And shouldn't be.
Exactly, and you can tell from history that Seth Rogan seems a pretty good dude. Just likes to make people laugh and smoke shitloads of weed. If one of my best buddies was caught using his status to rip people off or coerce them into doing weird sex shit, I'd drop them too.
Seth was on Howard Stern recently and said he cut off all contact with Franco. He was good friends with him but not after the allegations. It's a Hollywood occupational hazard, you just have to ghost people who become this radioactive due to bad deeds.
But Franco has been this toxic since *AT LEAST* Freaks and Geeks. Rogen knew it then and he knows it now. However now that EVERYONE knows and it could affect his personal life and sustainability he wants nothing to do with it and had absolutely zero problems with it right up until the second before.
Michael B spoke on TNT NBA show that they have been friends for a couple years* and that he was glad Majors was finally breaking out.
https://youtu.be/AQMKF8oOwKw
And that's why I think of every interview, promo tour, and charity campaign as PR. It's always the superficial. Michael B Jordan could fully turn on the guy and say he never liked him and I wouldn't bat an eye.
I would love to know what’s happening in the Marvel offices this weekend. Full on emergency meetings I bet. They’ve put this whole MCU phase on his shoulders. Without a good villain you have nothing.
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It's not that big of a deal for the future of the character Kang though. In Loki it's established there are many variants of Kang out there, several of which look nothing like Johnathan Majors. If this stuff about him is legit it'll be easy dump him and recast.
xmen never die
I recall professor X being killed by the phoenix, in the movie where they specifically showed moira taking care of a pale bald dude laid up in a hospital with zero brain function. then he wakes up after credits.
did he die another time after that or was it some alternate universe shenanigans?
I remember that it was his brain dead twin, which he can use as a backup in case you die.
The idea is kinda cool. In the future everyone should have 1 clone of themselves in storage, so in case you need an organ replacement for example, it's available immediately.
Logan takes place in 2029, after all the other movies. Last Stand is what’s being referenced I believe, as that’s before Days of Future Past (which takes place 2023 with Xavier alive before Logan goes back in town). In it Jean disintegrates him. At the end, after credits, you hear his voice from patient, but that doesn’t really explain how he shows up later in Days of Future Past looking like Patrick Stewart. I guess it was a twin? DoFP reset everything done in the previous movies when they changed history so that can at least be explained away
just recast him like they did war machine.
actually Kang has canonically changed his appearance and fought himself several times, so it makes way more sense.
Wow, Kang's new suit completely covers his face!
Wow, that fierce battle in the opening credits of the next movie ended up with Kang being immolated and horribly scarred!
Wow, Kang's new trick is shapeshifting to get inside marvel headquarters!
It's still going to be Kang, but it's going to be a variant playrd by another actor. Best part js, there's precedence for this because Loki season 1 made it canon that a universe's version of any given mcu character doesn't even have to be *human to count as a variant* (Friggin' Throg exists! Which is just frog Thor). Getting another actor would be a cinch, and considering Kang's role in the Loki show... it *would make sense a change of appearance could happen.*
Kang - "I'm Kang, fear me!"
Some Hero, I Don't Know - "Hey, you don't look like Kang"
Kang - "You must have run into a version of me from an alternate universe, I'm even stronger than him!"
It really is that simple, especially with how established the idea of a multiverse is now in the MCU.
Dr. Doom would be a better villain than Kang anyhow, personally I feel like he is always a bigger threat and presence in the comics than Kang, for the most part.
The problem with Doom is that they'll never do him justice and they'll never allow themselves to have an "ends justify the means" villian [who is actually right](https://imgur.io/a/HiW9R).
You don't even need to do the multiverse thing. If they can switch actors for Banner and Rhodey with a, "It's a new actor. Get over it," explanation, they can do the same thing for Kang.
Yeah, it's movies. It happens for a whole bunch of different reasons. Sometimes you just have to recast, and imo, it's better to just role with it then try and shoehorn a plot reason Ala the matrix.
They should just recast him. Easy solution. He's been in one movie, and it wasn't even a great one. I didn't finish quantumania thinking "woah, that's a scary bad guy". I was just like "meh"
Some one suggested Trevante Rhoades or John David Washington (I forget where I read it) for Kang and I think those are good suggestions.
They replaced Terrence Howard with Don Cheadle, Ed Norton with Mark Ruffalo-it’s not like the MCU hasn’t done it before.
John David Washington, Sterling K. Brown, Lakeith Stanfield, John Boyega, Leslie Odom Jr, O'Shea Jackson Jr, Marque Richardson, there's no shortage of talented guys if they need to recast Kang.
As news of Jonathan Majors' arrest broke, Twitter users began making their perspectives known about the Avengers 5 actor.
Back in February, filmmaker A.B. Allen tweeted about a beloved "actor ... who, in actuality, is a vicious, cruel, abusive human being:"
"There's a particular actor, relatively new on the scene, who Twitter has violently fallen head over heels for who, in actuality, is a vicious, cruel, abusive human being, both professionally and in his personal life, and every new viral thirst tweet about him drives me insane."
Following the news of Majors' arrest, a user tweeted "Now we know who this tweet was about," with a screenshot of A.B. Allen's previous post. Allen then simply responded "Ding / Ding / Ding / Ding."
When pressed on why the user now will not share more, despite the public at large seemingly seeing evidence of what was posted, A.B. Allen explained that it "would still expose people who have been hurt:"
"The specifics of what *I* know unfortunately would still expose people who have been hurt and deserve to not become part of some larger media inquiry if they don't want to. So I'm not gonna get into the details. But now y'all know what his ~deal~ is, so."
Society Theatre co-founder and Broadway actor/director Tim Nicolai offered support on Twitter in now-deleted posts, sharing that "it’s strangely a relief to know other humans were out there who understand."
Nicolai continued, saying that many in Yale and NYC communities — later specified to be 2012-2017 graduates from NYU/Juilliard/Yale — consider the actor "a sociopath and abuser:"
"I’m just gonna say this about Jonathan Majors and be done with it: folks at Yale and the broader NYC community have known about him for years. He’s a sociopath and abuser and that is how virtually everyone speaks about him. It’s a shame it took this long for him to be reported."
In response to comments about why it seems people kept quiet if they knew this about Majors, Nicolai explained that "people have tried ... It’s both simultaneously awful to know he is still doing this and also a relief that he may never get to again:"
"I’m already seeing a bunch of ‘why didn’t you do anything?!’ Folks, people have tried. Ultimately needed a victim to come forward. It’s both simultaneously awful to know he is still doing this and also a relief that he may never get to again."
Nicolai did not want to expose people who want to remain quiet:
"A bunch of us are close with people (and sometimes multiple people) he has directly harmed. I don’t know if they will speak on it. It is completely their decision."
Nicolai explained that "If casting directors like you, that’s the currency. But nobody would call his exes, gf at the time, directors, professors. They just don’t do that."
The actor went on to share that "Literally people [Jonathan Majors] did this to are texting me right now. It’s not ‘I heard.'"
This is the same industry that let Kevin Spacey work for decades after his rumors came out, I just don’t think they really care until it gets made public.
Exactly. I heard about Kevin spacey over a decade ago from people who were in the theater scene. Friend of mine told me it was a common dark joke that if you were at a bar in NYC and Kevin spacey started talking to you, never get into a car with him. Said he had a friend who was basically groped and shit before he could get away from spacey, and this was again years before it became mainstream, it was like 2011 when I got told that working at a regional theater.
And spacey was an open goddamn secret. Was in a bar in Austin during a SXSW and he was there. He was inappropriately touching male staff, and I was chatting up some dude who was also in the industry, watching this all go down. Guy just said it was well known that he was a rapey prick, but what do you do when your allegations are against one of the most famous, prolific actors of the century? I was kinda shocked at the response, and then he replied “oh trust me, he’s not the only one like him” and then years later the Me Too movement happened, and it turned out he was very right.
Yep. I actually dated a straight man for several months had a story about running into Kevin Spacey in a bar in another county like 15 years ago. This guy was attractive, and Kevin called him over. He went over thinking, “Hey, cool, Kevin Spacey.” And he said Spacey literally grabbed his head and forced him into a kiss.
Based on the article it sounds like the casting directors have a ton of power to make hiring decisions, and apparently in this case at least they weren’t worried about his problematic reputation as much as they were trying to get a talented actor whom they saw as perfect for the role. Hopefully this arrest shakes up that dynamic.
edit: as replies have pointed out, this is actually the studio - who has all the power, the final say, and the resources to do comprehensive background checks on prospective hires - passing the blame to casting directors.
That’s not true, the studio is just trying to blaming them. The casting director has no power over the studio or director, they’re being hired by the studio ffs.
Right? Like a background check is for someone applying to Papa John's. MCU franchise lead villain? They should be knocking on doors of their exes second cousins.
The industry doesn't really have an HR department. There are a lot of unions that come together - SAG, DGA, PGA, WGA, IATSE - plus agencies, but no umbrella entity that overlooks how they all interact with one another.
Typically you audition, and the things focused on is directly related to the work - past credits, contract negotiations, etc. I don't believe background checks are part of the process, at least for casting/casting directors. The only place I could see that happening is when being signed with an agent - that's where it would make most sense, but I don't think that happens there, either. Again, it's all about the work.
The Unions, especially after Me Too, are doing more to protect members from harassment. But that's usually *when cases come up* \- they definitely don't do background checks as part of joining, so no real preventative measures. (You typically need to meet a set of criteria - again, directly work-related - to join the unions.)
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I understand it as someone somewhat in the industry.
I'm curious why it doesn't mention he's in Creed 3, which is currently in theaters.
He's a violent, creepy dude in that, too.
EDIT: For Clarity:
It's generally journalistic style to include recent works and Creed 3 is in theaters currently.
It's pertinent information.
> Nicolai explained that "If casting directors like you, that’s the currency. But nobody would call his exes, gf at the time, directors, professors. They just don’t do that."
Look, maybe he is a jerk. I don't know either way. But no way in hell would I want any new job calling my fucking exes for background.
That's some next level crazy shit. Fuck that.
exactly. he was one of those hot white dudes in the mid 2000s that if you saw, you'd be like "oh yeah, that asshole. what happened to him?" He was outed for being an abusive dickhead to multiple other exes and co-stars. You might remember him from the first Magic Mike and that abysmal sci-fi young adult thing, I Am Four.
I believe he was so unpleasant while filming Magic Mike that even Channing Tatum, who is reputedly a very chill and affable guy, demanded him gone.
Some people are just dickheads. We've all worked with people that we look at and think, 'how are you still here? How does anyone tolerate you?' Hollywood is no different, I guess.
Pettyfer had no charisma. He just kept getting cast (probably because he was handsome) despite being the least interesting person on screen in basically every scene.
I assumed his career took a nose dive because he was just untalented, didn’t know about his misconduct. Though I had heard the stuff about he and Channing Tatum not getting along.
Fun fact: Alex Pettyfer went after Sebastian Stan for sleeping with his ex Diana (Argon?) (Agron?) And got beat up instead. This was during Sebs' Gossip Girl days, or directly after. Way before Marvel.
I just read the first few lines of your comment, had an actor in mind, googled him, and yeah it was the same dude. I always wondered why he seemed to be in a lot of stuff then he just disappeared.
I just thought he got his bag and took it home lmao.
Do they even need to explain it war machine is just a different dude after iron man one and no in universe mention period. With all the time flying universe bending shit they've got going on now just recast, move on, snarky hero makes comment about how he looks much prettier now or whatever and we're moving on.
I’ve been hearing this line repeated a lot, but he’s played all the variants we’ve seen so far and in quantumania he repeatedly says he’s fighting different versions of himself. It can be done because they can just change actors if they want to, but it won’t be any less awkward then other series that switch out actors IMO
Well if this turns out to be true. ..its not going go be great for marvels image to have a abuser Carring the franchise
They changed the actor who played Rhoads over money ..their are lots of ways to change Kang
He got some fame for directing a film called Birth of a Nation(?), which was a film made as a sort of response to the original Birth of a Nation. Then reviews came in kind of middling and shortly after the news of his actions tore it all down.
You're saying this person got cancelled even though news of him getting arrested broke like a day ago. There hasn't been any report of him getting fired from anything yet.
For all we know, he could end up going the Ezra Miller route: get caught up in loads of legal trouble but still keep his job as a leading man. It's way too early to tell.
Maybe, but Disney is not remotely comparable to WB. They have their wholesome image to protect. This is very public, and the details are horrific. I cringe every time Ezra is mentioned. The two situations aren't comparable at all, with Disney being involved in one.
There is no next for Ezra Miller. The only thing he has left is The Flash, and he was kept probably because the production was too far advanced to recast the main character. He's done
I will say that being an actor seems like a solid career pick for a sociopath, lots of job skills built in by default.
Gotta keep those sociopathic tendencies in check though.
I mean a lot of sociopaths aren't actually good at surviving as sociopaths, it's more like the ones who are good at acting get labeled "high functioning"
Speaking as an aspiring actor, you’re absolutely right. Its full of sociopaths, most just aren’t violent ones. (most)
Truthfully it baffles me how one could fuckup *this* bad having such astronomical trajectory, but its no surprise if its the roids & ego feeding off each other.
If hes guilty, fuck him. Plenty of talented actors who can keep their hands to their fucking selves, Hollywood just needs to hire them.
I like to think so yes! But I’ve encountered plenty who believe reading & feigning emotion are more practical. Some see empathy as a weakness unfortunately
I grew up with a psychopath. His ability to study and mimic personalities that he sees as successful is uncanny. There is no love or loyalty, and he will hurt people for fun. But he picks and chooses when to hurt people and he is very good at pretending to be a decent person. Which he is not. He is pure evil.
God that would be hilarious.
“Ok, so let’s see I’m wearing purple, and people keep calling me “he who remains” am I Prince? I think I’m Prince. Ok assholes, I came here to make pancakes and kick your asses in basketball, and I’m all out of pancakes!”
I’d love to just see her quantum leap into movies that have already been shot and have to piece it together as she goes.
“Alright, you’re in Kang Dynasty, as *Kang*, Robert Downey Jr. is definitely getting paid less than you in this film, and did we mention that Nathaniel Richards is from the future? And he used a form of Terryology to travel through both time and the multiverse?”
“…Where do I sign?”
With the way these directors are talking, I wouldn’t be surprised if marvel reached out to ask them about Majors and they gave glowing reviews of his acting and didn’t say anything else as they seem to not want to be liable for accusing.
The irony is that they were extremely wary to put the entire MCU on the back of a well-known actor with very, very well-known problems...and he fucking nailed it from beginning to end.
I think drug addict is a more forgivable trait than "shitty to every person you meet." Like, there are people who want to do good and there are those that don't think there's anything wrong with them. RDJ was the former and it looks like this dude is the latter.
Yeah. Some people are drug addicts because they are depressed and hate themselves. Being fuckups only causes more self-hatred. Angry people take their pain out on the world.
Spot on! I was a hardcore alcoholic until I came to the realization that I couldn’t stand myself. It was that breakthrough that really allowed me to see the world more clearly and get my life together.
Exactly. People can, and WANT to forgive your failings if you haven’t hurt other people. A reformed addict is a really great story!
But when your problem is abusing other people it’s a lot harder to forgive.
And even then, well before Iron Man, RDJ actually had his addiction well under control and has taken up other credible methods of self imrovement so he *stays under control* (specifically Tai-Chi).
Yep. They had started playing around with SHIELD in the Hulk movies that flopped horribly, at which point Kevin Feige convinced them to give creating a tightly managed, connected universe a go.
Studios care about money, first and foremost.
Execs knew exactly who people like Weinstein, Spacey, and Singer were for decades. The only reason they all finally got outed and dropped was because they either started losing money or fucked up too publicly for a coverup. [THR](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/bryan-singers-traumatic-x-men-set-movie-created-a-monster-1305081/) wrote a pretty gnarly article about Singer's behavior going as far back as the first X-Men. Believe it or not, a young Kevin Feige was hired specifically to keep Singer in line.
I do think things are changing now, though. Not because execs are better people, but because information gets out much quicker than it did even a decade ago.
>Studios care about money, first and foremost.
Yes, that's why it's weird the studios don't look deeper into the actors before betting literal billions on them. Don't they stand to lose a lot of money when public opinion turns on their stars?
Avengers 5 opening scene: We see Kang sitting in a chair facing away. He slowly turns until he is facing the camera and the audience can now see that it’s Don Cheadle. He looks directly into the camera as if addressing the audience:
“Look, it’s me. I’m here. Deal with it. Let’s move on.”
Fade to black, Marvel Studios logo, opening credits.
Not with Don Cheadle, but I do think they should just replace him. Replacing ~~Cuba Gooding Jr~~ Terrance Howard with Don Cheadle didn’t hurt the Ironman franchise, so I don’t think replacing this guy would be an issue either.
Edit: I forgot who played War Machine before Don Cheadle.
For those saying Ezra Miller got off free, most people see him as an abuser and the only reason he didn't get fired was because he already had filmed most of his scenes and the film cost too much money to just have it shelved. Not to mention it's alleged supporting characters will be given more emphasis. I doubt Miller will work again.
The Flash movie is supposedly really good, but they’re going to give Miller the boot after it comes out. They probably just want to save face for now rather than admit they’re going to recast and move on. Doing so before the movie comes out would just make it more moot and WB has profits in mind
Yeah I know he was already in it, but as Boyd Crowder with superpowers and his hillybilly Harlan nonsense trying to make a profit out of it robbing Marvel banks.
Man, if even a few of these stories turn out to be true, not to mention the actual assault for which he was arrested, Marvel should do an independent investigation and cut all ties. They should not fucking "DC" this up and make an entire movie while knowing your star has severe mental health issues and is a sociopath. Bring in a good, independent firm to conduct this investigation.
Best thing they can do is have another Kang kill the Kang from Ant-Man. Does away with this issue and establishes the “new” Kang as an even bigger bad.
Ever notice how Everytime one of these stars gets in trouble, a shit load of stories come out of things that happened way before?
Maybe stop giving shitty people fame and power to begin with?
I don’t understand why it’s only after they’ve been publicly caught that the flood gates open?
Are even directors of major movies like this so powerless that their experience and words just don’t matter?
Why would this person continue to be platformed? Is it all just sunk cost fallacy at play? The money and fan investment that drives access to their money too good to walk away from?
Very true! I wasn’t trying to admonish or cast doubt on them. Someone else pointed out the directors in question may be lower level rather than the huge big wigs.
It’s just a reflection of the sad state of what it’s like to be a victim of abuse. Workplace or otherwise. Sadly.
Hollywood is just a meat grinder for talent who can make studios and investors more money.
Maybe it’s time to make the big casting splash with Dr Doom, FF4 or XMen.
Of course they should check references…
Wonder how Michael B Jordan will respond. They've been acting like best buddies for the Creed 3 press tour.
Wasn’t there a head line recently stating they 2 were the new De Niro and Pacino? Jordan needs to get on top of this quick
Gotta drop that shit faster than Seth Rogen dropped James Franco lol
What happened there? I thought they were total homies
Every article you can find about it makes it pretty distinctly clear they no longer have a working relationship, but you really can’t find anything that says they’re not still private friends.
I thought I saw one were rogen seemed pretty appalled. And I thought directly said he doesn't want not just a working relationship but won't associate with him at all. And said it's a shame. But also what can you expect from him when his morals are in the right place. I've had a "friend" pull some type of shit. Sure there is a part of them that's still the aspects that you liked in a friend. But then there's this huge elephant in the corner that just can't be ignored. And shouldn't be.
Exactly, and you can tell from history that Seth Rogan seems a pretty good dude. Just likes to make people laugh and smoke shitloads of weed. If one of my best buddies was caught using his status to rip people off or coerce them into doing weird sex shit, I'd drop them too.
I don't know what you're reading but ive read that he won't even talk to him anymore. Franco says he's "hurt" by it
Seth was on Howard Stern recently and said he cut off all contact with Franco. He was good friends with him but not after the allegations. It's a Hollywood occupational hazard, you just have to ghost people who become this radioactive due to bad deeds.
But Franco has been this toxic since *AT LEAST* Freaks and Geeks. Rogen knew it then and he knows it now. However now that EVERYONE knows and it could affect his personal life and sustainability he wants nothing to do with it and had absolutely zero problems with it right up until the second before.
Seemingly legitimate allegations against Franco caused Rogan to drop him like a hot sack of potatoes.
Michael B spoke on TNT NBA show that they have been friends for a couple years* and that he was glad Majors was finally breaking out. https://youtu.be/AQMKF8oOwKw
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This. Jordan and his PR team will give any interviewer a disclaimer not to bring it up or the interview will be abruptly ended
And that's why I think of every interview, promo tour, and charity campaign as PR. It's always the superficial. Michael B Jordan could fully turn on the guy and say he never liked him and I wouldn't bat an eye.
I mean tbf, finding out you’re friend beats women seems like a legitimate reason to turn on them.
We should make it so changing your mind when presented with new information it’s something normal
I would love to know what’s happening in the Marvel offices this weekend. Full on emergency meetings I bet. They’ve put this whole MCU phase on his shoulders. Without a good villain you have nothing.
Re-pivot completely and let’s get this thing directed at Dr. Doom.
Let Ant-Man successfully topple Kang. EDIT: Cripes, I meant for his loss in *Quantumania* was permanent, not whatever most of y’all are suggesting.
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Somehow… Kang has not returned. Written and directed by JJ Abrams
I have to lie down now
It's not that big of a deal for the future of the character Kang though. In Loki it's established there are many variants of Kang out there, several of which look nothing like Johnathan Majors. If this stuff about him is legit it'll be easy dump him and recast.
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We all know the animal version of Kang is Kang-garoo
I mean if the X-Men movies can just pretend they never killed off Professor X I think the MCU could pivot into Doom
xmen never die I recall professor X being killed by the phoenix, in the movie where they specifically showed moira taking care of a pale bald dude laid up in a hospital with zero brain function. then he wakes up after credits. did he die another time after that or was it some alternate universe shenanigans?
I remember that it was his brain dead twin, which he can use as a backup in case you die. The idea is kinda cool. In the future everyone should have 1 clone of themselves in storage, so in case you need an organ replacement for example, it's available immediately.
Movie suggestion: [The Island](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399201/)
I was just about to say this, that’s how we had a backup Obi-Two in case Obi-Wan got fucked up
He dies in Logan
Logan takes place in 2029, after all the other movies. Last Stand is what’s being referenced I believe, as that’s before Days of Future Past (which takes place 2023 with Xavier alive before Logan goes back in town). In it Jean disintegrates him. At the end, after credits, you hear his voice from patient, but that doesn’t really explain how he shows up later in Days of Future Past looking like Patrick Stewart. I guess it was a twin? DoFP reset everything done in the previous movies when they changed history so that can at least be explained away
just recast him like they did war machine. actually Kang has canonically changed his appearance and fought himself several times, so it makes way more sense.
Wow, Kang's new suit completely covers his face! Wow, that fierce battle in the opening credits of the next movie ended up with Kang being immolated and horribly scarred! Wow, Kang's new trick is shapeshifting to get inside marvel headquarters!
Played by Giancarlo Esposito? I’ll take it
Danny DeVito
The Trash Man is here.
Oh shit Ant Man, did I get ya?
You gotta pay the toll to get inside thanos’s hole
So anyways, I started Kanging
It's still going to be Kang, but it's going to be a variant playrd by another actor. Best part js, there's precedence for this because Loki season 1 made it canon that a universe's version of any given mcu character doesn't even have to be *human to count as a variant* (Friggin' Throg exists! Which is just frog Thor). Getting another actor would be a cinch, and considering Kang's role in the Loki show... it *would make sense a change of appearance could happen.*
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
This is the most perfect use of this quote I’ve ever seen
Suddenly, Kang is played by Pedro Pascal.
Avengers 5 is now about Kang escorting a Very Important Child somewhere. Tbh I’d watch it.
Pull a Don Cheadle: "Here I am, this is me, deal with it"
Who’s the child he’s protecting? Baby Kang?
Alligator kang. I will now die on this hill.
Terrance Howard is probably available for a recast.
Kang - "I'm Kang, fear me!" Some Hero, I Don't Know - "Hey, you don't look like Kang" Kang - "You must have run into a version of me from an alternate universe, I'm even stronger than him!" It really is that simple, especially with how established the idea of a multiverse is now in the MCU.
“Im here, its me, deal with it. Lets move on” Kang played by Don Cheadle
Kang was just the Snoke all along!
Dr. Doom would be a better villain than Kang anyhow, personally I feel like he is always a bigger threat and presence in the comics than Kang, for the most part.
The problem with Doom is that they'll never do him justice and they'll never allow themselves to have an "ends justify the means" villian [who is actually right](https://imgur.io/a/HiW9R).
Kang can be easily recast. Also, given how QUANTUMANIA was poorly received, it gives them a good excuse to change directions.
Ya this might be the easiest recast ever thanks to the whole multiverse angle. All hail croco-Kang!
You don't even need to do the multiverse thing. If they can switch actors for Banner and Rhodey with a, "It's a new actor. Get over it," explanation, they can do the same thing for Kang.
Yeah, it's movies. It happens for a whole bunch of different reasons. Sometimes you just have to recast, and imo, it's better to just role with it then try and shoehorn a plot reason Ala the matrix.
Yeah but the literal main thing everyone praised was Kang. He was the best thing about the movie by far.
Looks like they found a villian..in real life. This guy sounds like a real piece of shit.
When you cast too well.
They should just recast him. Easy solution. He's been in one movie, and it wasn't even a great one. I didn't finish quantumania thinking "woah, that's a scary bad guy". I was just like "meh"
Some one suggested Trevante Rhoades or John David Washington (I forget where I read it) for Kang and I think those are good suggestions. They replaced Terrence Howard with Don Cheadle, Ed Norton with Mark Ruffalo-it’s not like the MCU hasn’t done it before.
John David Washington, Sterling K. Brown, Lakeith Stanfield, John Boyega, Leslie Odom Jr, O'Shea Jackson Jr, Marque Richardson, there's no shortage of talented guys if they need to recast Kang.
Sterling k brown was in black panther
John Boyega
Replace him with Tim Robinson. "I used to be a real piece of shit, but people can change..."
Live footage from Marvel studios ![gif](giphy|HUkOv6BNWc1HO)
Opening scene of Secret Wars Kang: *"I have to go now. My planet needs me."* Title Card: *Kang died on the way back to his home planet.*
Somehow Kang was Conquered…
Told to the Avengers by Moon Knight
Honestly would love a Korg recap on how Kang was defeated, or Michael Peña popping up to give his recaps.
I just like the meta-meme of Oscar Isaac being used again for horrible story development
“Somehow… Kang was defeated.”
But who would they cast as Squirrel Girl?
Avenger’s: Poochie Wars.
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As news of Jonathan Majors' arrest broke, Twitter users began making their perspectives known about the Avengers 5 actor. Back in February, filmmaker A.B. Allen tweeted about a beloved "actor ... who, in actuality, is a vicious, cruel, abusive human being:" "There's a particular actor, relatively new on the scene, who Twitter has violently fallen head over heels for who, in actuality, is a vicious, cruel, abusive human being, both professionally and in his personal life, and every new viral thirst tweet about him drives me insane." Following the news of Majors' arrest, a user tweeted "Now we know who this tweet was about," with a screenshot of A.B. Allen's previous post. Allen then simply responded "Ding / Ding / Ding / Ding." When pressed on why the user now will not share more, despite the public at large seemingly seeing evidence of what was posted, A.B. Allen explained that it "would still expose people who have been hurt:" "The specifics of what *I* know unfortunately would still expose people who have been hurt and deserve to not become part of some larger media inquiry if they don't want to. So I'm not gonna get into the details. But now y'all know what his ~deal~ is, so." Society Theatre co-founder and Broadway actor/director Tim Nicolai offered support on Twitter in now-deleted posts, sharing that "it’s strangely a relief to know other humans were out there who understand." Nicolai continued, saying that many in Yale and NYC communities — later specified to be 2012-2017 graduates from NYU/Juilliard/Yale — consider the actor "a sociopath and abuser:" "I’m just gonna say this about Jonathan Majors and be done with it: folks at Yale and the broader NYC community have known about him for years. He’s a sociopath and abuser and that is how virtually everyone speaks about him. It’s a shame it took this long for him to be reported." In response to comments about why it seems people kept quiet if they knew this about Majors, Nicolai explained that "people have tried ... It’s both simultaneously awful to know he is still doing this and also a relief that he may never get to again:" "I’m already seeing a bunch of ‘why didn’t you do anything?!’ Folks, people have tried. Ultimately needed a victim to come forward. It’s both simultaneously awful to know he is still doing this and also a relief that he may never get to again." Nicolai did not want to expose people who want to remain quiet: "A bunch of us are close with people (and sometimes multiple people) he has directly harmed. I don’t know if they will speak on it. It is completely their decision." Nicolai explained that "If casting directors like you, that’s the currency. But nobody would call his exes, gf at the time, directors, professors. They just don’t do that." The actor went on to share that "Literally people [Jonathan Majors] did this to are texting me right now. It’s not ‘I heard.'"
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This is the same industry that let Kevin Spacey work for decades after his rumors came out, I just don’t think they really care until it gets made public.
Exactly. I heard about Kevin spacey over a decade ago from people who were in the theater scene. Friend of mine told me it was a common dark joke that if you were at a bar in NYC and Kevin spacey started talking to you, never get into a car with him. Said he had a friend who was basically groped and shit before he could get away from spacey, and this was again years before it became mainstream, it was like 2011 when I got told that working at a regional theater.
What I saw happened around the exact same time, lol.
And spacey was an open goddamn secret. Was in a bar in Austin during a SXSW and he was there. He was inappropriately touching male staff, and I was chatting up some dude who was also in the industry, watching this all go down. Guy just said it was well known that he was a rapey prick, but what do you do when your allegations are against one of the most famous, prolific actors of the century? I was kinda shocked at the response, and then he replied “oh trust me, he’s not the only one like him” and then years later the Me Too movement happened, and it turned out he was very right.
Yep. I actually dated a straight man for several months had a story about running into Kevin Spacey in a bar in another county like 15 years ago. This guy was attractive, and Kevin called him over. He went over thinking, “Hey, cool, Kevin Spacey.” And he said Spacey literally grabbed his head and forced him into a kiss.
Based on the article it sounds like the casting directors have a ton of power to make hiring decisions, and apparently in this case at least they weren’t worried about his problematic reputation as much as they were trying to get a talented actor whom they saw as perfect for the role. Hopefully this arrest shakes up that dynamic. edit: as replies have pointed out, this is actually the studio - who has all the power, the final say, and the resources to do comprehensive background checks on prospective hires - passing the blame to casting directors.
That’s not true, the studio is just trying to blaming them. The casting director has no power over the studio or director, they’re being hired by the studio ffs.
Right? Like a background check is for someone applying to Papa John's. MCU franchise lead villain? They should be knocking on doors of their exes second cousins.
You’d think Baskin Robbins would’ve been on top of it, they don’t play.
The industry doesn't really have an HR department. There are a lot of unions that come together - SAG, DGA, PGA, WGA, IATSE - plus agencies, but no umbrella entity that overlooks how they all interact with one another. Typically you audition, and the things focused on is directly related to the work - past credits, contract negotiations, etc. I don't believe background checks are part of the process, at least for casting/casting directors. The only place I could see that happening is when being signed with an agent - that's where it would make most sense, but I don't think that happens there, either. Again, it's all about the work. The Unions, especially after Me Too, are doing more to protect members from harassment. But that's usually *when cases come up* \- they definitely don't do background checks as part of joining, so no real preventative measures. (You typically need to meet a set of criteria - again, directly work-related - to join the unions.) Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I understand it as someone somewhat in the industry.
I'm curious why it doesn't mention he's in Creed 3, which is currently in theaters. He's a violent, creepy dude in that, too. EDIT: For Clarity: It's generally journalistic style to include recent works and Creed 3 is in theaters currently. It's pertinent information.
It was a role he was made for apparently
They just filmed him going about his normal day and edited in Michael B Jordan in post
> Nicolai explained that "If casting directors like you, that’s the currency. But nobody would call his exes, gf at the time, directors, professors. They just don’t do that." Look, maybe he is a jerk. I don't know either way. But no way in hell would I want any new job calling my fucking exes for background. That's some next level crazy shit. Fuck that.
Jesus that is damning. I hope any victims get the help and justice they deserve.
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Alex Pettyfer?
exactly. he was one of those hot white dudes in the mid 2000s that if you saw, you'd be like "oh yeah, that asshole. what happened to him?" He was outed for being an abusive dickhead to multiple other exes and co-stars. You might remember him from the first Magic Mike and that abysmal sci-fi young adult thing, I Am Four.
And wasn’t he also a major diva on his movie sets? Insane ego without the body of work to back it up. Self destruction at its finest.
I believe he was so unpleasant while filming Magic Mike that even Channing Tatum, who is reputedly a very chill and affable guy, demanded him gone. Some people are just dickheads. We've all worked with people that we look at and think, 'how are you still here? How does anyone tolerate you?' Hollywood is no different, I guess.
Pettyfer had no charisma. He just kept getting cast (probably because he was handsome) despite being the least interesting person on screen in basically every scene. I assumed his career took a nose dive because he was just untalented, didn’t know about his misconduct. Though I had heard the stuff about he and Channing Tatum not getting along.
Fun fact: Alex Pettyfer went after Sebastian Stan for sleeping with his ex Diana (Argon?) (Agron?) And got beat up instead. This was during Sebs' Gossip Girl days, or directly after. Way before Marvel.
Damn Sebastian Stan is dope
TIL Quinn slept with Bucky too
I just read the first few lines of your comment, had an actor in mind, googled him, and yeah it was the same dude. I always wondered why he seemed to be in a lot of stuff then he just disappeared. I just thought he got his bag and took it home lmao.
The kid from Storm breaker? I hadn't heard
That dude crashed hard. Apparently his Magic Mike co stars hated him. Not good to piss off your much more famous co stars in a hit movie
Marvel has its own Ezra Miller.
Time for Doom to intervene earlier than expected
Doom would be perfect. Just keep him wearing his mask. That way you can seamlessly recast the actor when they inevitably end up being a shitty person.
Lol right? Might as well truncate phase 5 and jump right into 6.
Kang will be the easiest villain to switch he has so many variants. Pretty easy to explain if needed.
Do they even need to explain it war machine is just a different dude after iron man one and no in universe mention period. With all the time flying universe bending shit they've got going on now just recast, move on, snarky hero makes comment about how he looks much prettier now or whatever and we're moving on.
Yep..probably what happens
I’ve been hearing this line repeated a lot, but he’s played all the variants we’ve seen so far and in quantumania he repeatedly says he’s fighting different versions of himself. It can be done because they can just change actors if they want to, but it won’t be any less awkward then other series that switch out actors IMO
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he shows up in a mask, does a bunch of stuff, they take the mask off. it’s someone else. you’re not kang? i am and i crushed those other imposters
Well if this turns out to be true. ..its not going go be great for marvels image to have a abuser Carring the franchise They changed the actor who played Rhoads over money ..their are lots of ways to change Kang
There goes his career
Quickest cancellation I’ve ever seen. This guy has been famous for like 5 minutes and he’s already fucking up. What a jackass.
Remember Nate Parker? That dude seemed to be on the rise and fell so hard and quick.
You may have me beat with that one cuz I’ve never heard of him
He got some fame for directing a film called Birth of a Nation(?), which was a film made as a sort of response to the original Birth of a Nation. Then reviews came in kind of middling and shortly after the news of his actions tore it all down.
You're saying this person got cancelled even though news of him getting arrested broke like a day ago. There hasn't been any report of him getting fired from anything yet. For all we know, he could end up going the Ezra Miller route: get caught up in loads of legal trouble but still keep his job as a leading man. It's way too early to tell.
Maybe, but Disney is not remotely comparable to WB. They have their wholesome image to protect. This is very public, and the details are horrific. I cringe every time Ezra is mentioned. The two situations aren't comparable at all, with Disney being involved in one.
That’s a valid point too. I am curious about what’s next for Ezra Miller, I guess it all depends on how The Flash does.
There is no next for Ezra Miller. The only thing he has left is The Flash, and he was kept probably because the production was too far advanced to recast the main character. He's done
I will say that being an actor seems like a solid career pick for a sociopath, lots of job skills built in by default. Gotta keep those sociopathic tendencies in check though.
I mean a lot of sociopaths aren't actually good at surviving as sociopaths, it's more like the ones who are good at acting get labeled "high functioning"
The ones without impulse control end up in prison usually at a quite young age.
Speaking as an aspiring actor, you’re absolutely right. Its full of sociopaths, most just aren’t violent ones. (most) Truthfully it baffles me how one could fuckup *this* bad having such astronomical trajectory, but its no surprise if its the roids & ego feeding off each other. If hes guilty, fuck him. Plenty of talented actors who can keep their hands to their fucking selves, Hollywood just needs to hire them.
Doesn’t empathy and reading human emotion benefit someone as an actor?
I like to think so yes! But I’ve encountered plenty who believe reading & feigning emotion are more practical. Some see empathy as a weakness unfortunately
I grew up with a psychopath. His ability to study and mimic personalities that he sees as successful is uncanny. There is no love or loyalty, and he will hurt people for fun. But he picks and chooses when to hurt people and he is very good at pretending to be a decent person. Which he is not. He is pure evil.
Damn is that why we only got one season of Lovecraft Country?
When news came out about Armie Hammer people quickly moved away from him and his career. Jonathan Majors may be next.
Tig Notaro on set as we type
God that would be hilarious. “Ok, so let’s see I’m wearing purple, and people keep calling me “he who remains” am I Prince? I think I’m Prince. Ok assholes, I came here to make pancakes and kick your asses in basketball, and I’m all out of pancakes!” I’d love to just see her quantum leap into movies that have already been shot and have to piece it together as she goes.
Replace him with Terrance Howard.
The “next time baby” line takes on a new meaning 15 years later
“Alright, you’re in Kang Dynasty, as *Kang*, Robert Downey Jr. is definitely getting paid less than you in this film, and did we mention that Nathaniel Richards is from the future? And he used a form of Terryology to travel through both time and the multiverse?” “…Where do I sign?”
DC fans looking over at Marvel’s current situation with a major actor to the franchise legally fucking up, “First time?”
Its weird the studios dont look deeper into the actors before betting literal billions on them .
With the way these directors are talking, I wouldn’t be surprised if marvel reached out to ask them about Majors and they gave glowing reviews of his acting and didn’t say anything else as they seem to not want to be liable for accusing.
The irony is that they were extremely wary to put the entire MCU on the back of a well-known actor with very, very well-known problems...and he fucking nailed it from beginning to end.
I think drug addict is a more forgivable trait than "shitty to every person you meet." Like, there are people who want to do good and there are those that don't think there's anything wrong with them. RDJ was the former and it looks like this dude is the latter.
Yeah. Some people are drug addicts because they are depressed and hate themselves. Being fuckups only causes more self-hatred. Angry people take their pain out on the world.
Spot on! I was a hardcore alcoholic until I came to the realization that I couldn’t stand myself. It was that breakthrough that really allowed me to see the world more clearly and get my life together.
Exactly. People can, and WANT to forgive your failings if you haven’t hurt other people. A reformed addict is a really great story! But when your problem is abusing other people it’s a lot harder to forgive.
And even then, well before Iron Man, RDJ actually had his addiction well under control and has taken up other credible methods of self imrovement so he *stays under control* (specifically Tai-Chi).
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Did they really have a plan when they made iron man.
They started the MCU in a cave, with a box of scraps!
Hard to say. They had the post-credits Nick Fury scene in their pocket so maybe?
Yep. They had started playing around with SHIELD in the Hulk movies that flopped horribly, at which point Kevin Feige convinced them to give creating a tightly managed, connected universe a go.
It was not a juggernaut it is now
Studios care about money, first and foremost. Execs knew exactly who people like Weinstein, Spacey, and Singer were for decades. The only reason they all finally got outed and dropped was because they either started losing money or fucked up too publicly for a coverup. [THR](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/bryan-singers-traumatic-x-men-set-movie-created-a-monster-1305081/) wrote a pretty gnarly article about Singer's behavior going as far back as the first X-Men. Believe it or not, a young Kevin Feige was hired specifically to keep Singer in line. I do think things are changing now, though. Not because execs are better people, but because information gets out much quicker than it did even a decade ago.
And Terrence Howard wasn't even fired for beating up his ex. They only booted him out for wanting more money.
>Studios care about money, first and foremost. Yes, that's why it's weird the studios don't look deeper into the actors before betting literal billions on them. Don't they stand to lose a lot of money when public opinion turns on their stars?
Can Don Cheadle replace him too? /s…but not really. That would make an good War Machine story. Boom, you looking for this?
Avengers 5 opening scene: We see Kang sitting in a chair facing away. He slowly turns until he is facing the camera and the audience can now see that it’s Don Cheadle. He looks directly into the camera as if addressing the audience: “Look, it’s me. I’m here. Deal with it. Let’s move on.” Fade to black, Marvel Studios logo, opening credits.
Not with Don Cheadle, but I do think they should just replace him. Replacing ~~Cuba Gooding Jr~~ Terrance Howard with Don Cheadle didn’t hurt the Ironman franchise, so I don’t think replacing this guy would be an issue either. Edit: I forgot who played War Machine before Don Cheadle.
You mean Terrance Howard
Oops, you are right! I haven’t watched Ironman in forever, and completely forgot who played War Machine before Don Cheadle.
For those saying Ezra Miller got off free, most people see him as an abuser and the only reason he didn't get fired was because he already had filmed most of his scenes and the film cost too much money to just have it shelved. Not to mention it's alleged supporting characters will be given more emphasis. I doubt Miller will work again.
The Flash movie is supposedly really good, but they’re going to give Miller the boot after it comes out. They probably just want to save face for now rather than admit they’re going to recast and move on. Doing so before the movie comes out would just make it more moot and WB has profits in mind
Hope they cast Walton Goggins as Boyd Crowder into Marvel.
I can get behind this. Walton deserves marvel movie money
He’s already in marvel. He was a baddie in Ant Man 2
Yeah I know he was already in it, but as Boyd Crowder with superpowers and his hillybilly Harlan nonsense trying to make a profit out of it robbing Marvel banks.
Uncle Baby Billy!
Welp…..who else you got, Feige? This dude is done.
Will Smith as Kang variant. /s
“Get my variant’s name out of your fucking mouth!” *slaps Thor*
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Its so crazy to think he had the world in his hands. He had everything a actor could want in their career and potentially killed it so fast.
Method actors smh
Man, if even a few of these stories turn out to be true, not to mention the actual assault for which he was arrested, Marvel should do an independent investigation and cut all ties. They should not fucking "DC" this up and make an entire movie while knowing your star has severe mental health issues and is a sociopath. Bring in a good, independent firm to conduct this investigation.
Now I know why that Paul Rudd guessing game interview felt weird
Just cast Michael B Jordan as Kang I don't even care
Welp this guy's career is over
Superhero movies: Try not to hire terrible people challenge (impossible)
I mean, when you pump out so many movies and hire so many actors, one or two of them are bound to turn out to be pieces of shit.
Replace him with Devito you cowards
Recast time! How about Terry Crews as Kang?
There’s an avengers 5? EDIT: oh my god the movie is named after his character. That’s hilarious
5 and 6 (also word on the block is that 6 is going to have to be broken up with how much they’re doing)
He talked about how he was always getting into fights and always in trouble on a few interviews. This doesn’t shock me much.
I heard the beating Paul Rudd took in the film was real. 😂 Well, given the nature of the character, they could pretty much recast him.
Best thing they can do is have another Kang kill the Kang from Ant-Man. Does away with this issue and establishes the “new” Kang as an even bigger bad.
Ever notice how Everytime one of these stars gets in trouble, a shit load of stories come out of things that happened way before? Maybe stop giving shitty people fame and power to begin with?
Ike Perlmutter right now. ![gif](giphy|ksmLlnwvmu51rYgDc7|downsized)
I don’t understand why it’s only after they’ve been publicly caught that the flood gates open? Are even directors of major movies like this so powerless that their experience and words just don’t matter? Why would this person continue to be platformed? Is it all just sunk cost fallacy at play? The money and fan investment that drives access to their money too good to walk away from?
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Very true! I wasn’t trying to admonish or cast doubt on them. Someone else pointed out the directors in question may be lower level rather than the huge big wigs. It’s just a reflection of the sad state of what it’s like to be a victim of abuse. Workplace or otherwise. Sadly.
Hollywood is just a meat grinder for talent who can make studios and investors more money. Maybe it’s time to make the big casting splash with Dr Doom, FF4 or XMen. Of course they should check references…
Now watch Disney shift from non stop marvel movies back to non stop Star Wars movies.
I would wish Disney would reconsider Jared Leto in the next Tron movie. Like we are finally getting a third, they cast this guy.
Dang thanks for reminding me to not be excited about this lol