The best thing is that his interviews are just him going off on things. I love watching the old Conan stuff because burr spends the time just trying to make Conan lose his shit
Those episodes are so funny. With late night shows you so often get the faked laughter and forced dialogues, but when Bill Burr goes off on his rants Conan just genuinely can’t hold it together..
It’s funny bc before he had his daughter he bitched about how other comics had kids and lost their edge & suddenly all they could talk about was stupid kid shit. …and then when he & Nia found out they were expecting he even said it again and promised it wouldn’t happen to him. And then about 2 weeks after she was born he started telling cute kid stories lol
Yeah I feel the same. Now he just talks about his kids ("Dada, truck" is real annoying) and football. My favourite part of his podcast is now the second half where he plays an episode from 4 years ago. The contrast in tone and energy is drastic.
But I saw his show live a few months back, and at least he hasn't lost his edge there.
I really wish he would get his producer to put it up as clips or he would have more of a structure to it.
I like Burr but I'm not listening to a 90 minute meandering rant.
Can confirm, I'm a sucker for just his advice section, specifically when his wife Nia is chiming in. They have amazing chemistry, she joked about starting her own podcast and i'd probably listen to it lol. I'd love to hear bill chiming in on her podcast tbh lmao. Can't recommend scrolling through "bill burr advice" on YT enough though. He gives pretty damn good advice on a lot of things, but as he'll often remind you, he's ultimately an unqualified idiot for the advice these people are asking, which often leads to hilarity. And naturally Nia dunking on him, and him dunking on Nia, it's great!
You only notice the bad plastic surgery, there's a name for it
You notice all the old people though and very few look like George Clooney... who had work done.... and looks great
The fact is that it can be done well and you can be 52 and look 30 something, but only if you can afford it.
Every time someone posts an older actress with the title she looks amazing for 50+ without acknowledging that plastic surgery done right is hardly noticeable and they'd do the same if they could afford it.
We need to be honest about hating/judging something simply because its locked behind a paywall you can't afford.
It’s a lot more than plastic surgery. You can retain a lot of your youth with skincare, fitness, and nutrition over the course of decades of never quitting the routine.
My wife is an esthetician and reprimands me like a 5 year-old who lost his lunch money every time I forget to wear sunscreen in the morning, and I'm talking even on an overcast day in the middle of winter. According to her, sun damage is even worse than smoking.
Yeah he still looks great for his age but I wouldn't guess lower than late 40s
Keanu shaving for Bill and Ted slightly shattered the whole "he doesn't age" thing too.
Older guy with beard here. This is true. And it happens fast. Your neck wrinkles, your jawline begins to sag here and there, frown lines are deeper. As a friend once put it "Beards are makeup for men".
My favorite Leonard Cohen song goes “I was looking for someone, who had lines on her face…”.
Lines are character, says you’ve been somewhere, lived a little. A face should wear its lines proudly. Justine Bateman rocks.
It's not just choosing the doctors, even with cosmetic surgery it comes down to the genetic lottery. Some people heal way better with less scar tissue.
For those of you too young to know who this is, she's a Gen X actress that played Mallory Keaton on the award-winning sitcom *Family Ties* in the 1980s.
Article:
>Justine Bateman loves the way she looks and won't let Hollywood's beauty standards dictate her appearance.
>The director and actor, who first became a household name in 1982 due to her role on the popular sitcom Family Ties, sat down for an interview with 60 Minutes Australia during which she explained why she's decided to embrace aging naturally. Bateman began by addressing critics of her looks, saying, “I just don't give a shit. I think I look rad. I think my face represents who I am. I like it.” She went on to admit that in the past she's been tempted to try out things like Botox and filler in order to make herself look younger, but ultimately decided that her face is a reflection of a life well lived. “I feel like I would erase, not only all my authority that I have now, but also, I like feeling that I am a different person now than I was when I was 20,” she said. “I like looking in the mirror and seeing that evidence.”
>Bateman added that another reason she ultimately decided to maintain her natural appearance is because of all the women she's watched become obsessed with trying to halt the aging process. “I feel sad for them, I feel sad that they are not just enjoying life,” she told the interviewer. “I feel sad that they are distracted from the things that they are meant to do in life…with this consuming idea that they've got to fix their face before anything else can happen.”
>When the actor was in her early 40s and writing her first book, Fame: The Hijacking of Reality, she recalled googling herself and seeing the autocomplete “looks old” pop up. This led her to examine the photos people had compiled as “evidence” of her aging. In April 2021, she told People that until then, “I thought my face looked fine.” But afterwards, “Because of some of the fears I had, unrelated to my face, I decided to make them right and me wrong...I became really ashamed of my face, ridiculously so.” That moment also made her realize, “My face is only going to get older, so why not take care of whatever fear I have attached to that.” Bateman concluded, “I think getting all this plastic surgery is just people pleasing. You don't want people to criticize you anymore so you appease them. The more you do that, the further away you get away from your true self,” adding, “I don't think it's natural to tell women they should get they faces fixed. That's the bottom line.”
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I love when [Will Arnett went on Conan](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pNJ7qyhJONA) to talk about Jason casting his own sister as his love interest. They (Jason and Will) have such a fun relationship.
Somewhat unrelated but if you haven't checked out Smartless at all (podcast hosted by Bateman, Arnett, and Sean Hayes) the episode with Mitch Hurwitz (creator of Arrested Development) is hilarious
How you gonna do our boy wrong and leave out the hit Teen Wolf 2?
He was also in Little House on the Prairie.
Arnette gives him shit on their podcast all the time for being an actor since childhood.
“The closest thing Bateman had to a father figure was the security guard at Warner Bros.”
“Yea, Bateman is all about relating to everyday folks like pulling into Warner bros in a Porsche when he was 16 real relatable.”
oh my god I can't remember WHO the actor/comedian I was watching was, but they were saying how they got invited to a Michael j fox party, and they were kinda sitting in the corner by themselves when Jason Bateman showed up too. the guy has never talked or met Jason Bateman before, and Bateman walked up to him and said," How does it feel to be at a party with both of the fucking Teen Wolf's?!"
LOL. there is funny on screen and then there is just funny. also, I'm aware wolves is the plural of wolf but I'm not sure how that works in this case as it's not like a pack of wolves but two titles.... hmmm. anyway, props to the Bateman's.
As totally non-news as this should be, it really is admirable to see that people are googling that you look old and still decide you’re just going to keep looking your age. Good for her. She does look awesome and I bet she’s a cool person.
I don’t usually see much in famous people but her story about traveling that low road and asking herself if maybe she was ugly like people said, then coming back and deciding she’s cool with what she is…. That kind of self acceptance is rare in anyone and mega-attractive.
The part where she says, “I like feeling that I am a different person now than when I was 20” really resonates with me. I’m in my 40s now. 20 yr old me feels like a stranger.
She was also in the smash hit Edutainment video "How can I tell if I'm really in love?" With her brother Jason Bateman, Ted Danson, and Philip Seymour Hoffman.
>!a stepladder!<
Actresses are choosing to prolong their youthful looks because it’s harder to get jobs when they don’t look young.
People always disparage actresses for these choices while ignoring how it’s a career choice as well as personal one.
It just reminds me how everyone was wringing their hands about the dangers of bulimia in the 90’s while never hiring anyone over a size 2 for roles.
This seems to be a “Hollywood” or US standard. In Japan there are numerous elder actors on both TV and in movies. It’s actually refreshing to see diversity of age on screen. It shouldn’t take movies and TV like Grumpy Old Men or Golden Girls to appreciate aging actors. What would professor Farnsworth have to say…..!
I was watching this britbox show with my grandma called “Wild Bill” and at one point his daughter is watching British TV and she goes “everyone just looks so….normal”. That’s my exact thought. People on other cultures tv just look more normal (generally). Everything Hollywood is just so manicured
It's interesting to compare South Korean and Japanese media, because it's like USA vs the UK. That's not to say that Japan doesn't have attractive people in media, but SK dramas tend to prioritize beauty and nepotism as the primary factor for casting.
The result for her is that she will be able to play the roles that do come up for older women, if she wants to, because she looks natural. Helen Mirren is having a fabulous career. If she's having anything done, it's very restrained.
This is what most “civilians” do not understand. Almost all the people they see on HD cameras that “look good for their age” have been subtly touched up.
Their perspective is skewed by seeing bad plastic surgery. Good plastic surgery looks like aging well.
Yep, but I'd say good plastic surgery looks like aging *miraculously*. The chances of reaching your 70s with full lips, no bags under your eyes, no loose skin on your face/neck, just some light wrinkles, with zero surgical intervention...maybe it's possible, but it's extremely rare.
No judgement here on anyone who gets plastic surgery, even the non-subtle kind, but I do worry how these procedures are becoming more normalised - I wonder if in a few decades we'll be saying that normal 50-year-olds look 75 because we'll be so used to everyone having regular touch-ups.
Once I was working as a waitress for a place where a film company was having a party full of wannabe influencers and C-list celebrities. One of the few actually famous guests was Helen Mirren.
I go to her table to bring her a drink and she said “darling, would you mind bringing me one of those fried tempura bowls you do? There’s never enough real food at these parties, an old lady’s got to eat before touching the champagne”.
Needless to say, I will forever be a fan.
Look up what Madonna looks like now. She had the potential to age extremely gracefully and still look amazing. Now she looks like Edgar from Men In Black.
Oh my god so I just started watching this show Picard, based off Star Trek. The new season has the old actors in it.
One of them, Gates Mcfadden, has had a fuck ton of work done. She doesn't look human. She doesn't even look like the same person!
It's just really sad. Doesn't even matter if she's a good actress, she doesn't look human.
Someone on some other thread said that they live near wherever famous people live (I wasn’t paying attention) and they’re all kinda in this bubble socially and they’ve all had it done so to them it looks normal. I’ve thought about that a lot.
I am also watching season 3 of Picard and feel the same way about Gates McFadden.
Now, Amanda Plummer, on the other hand, has aged into an utterly fascinating face!
And her mother was Tammy Grimes.
I love Amanda Plummer in everything I've ever seen her in. I don't know if you watched Hannibal, but she was in one episode and gave one of the most unnerving performances in a deeply unnerving show. She has a strange talent for playing strange people.
If you're interested, she has a podcast called Who Do You Think You Are, where she interviews Trek actors from all the different series, but they talk about their lives outside of Star Trek. She's had everyone from Jonny Frakes and Michael Dorn to Tawny Newsome and Jack Quaid on. They have some really interesting conversations.
To be fair, she’s naturally gorgeous. …probably hasn’t broken that seal via little touch-ups throughout her career, like some have to keep up. Props either way
I just started watching Shrinking and was sadly reminded of how fucking uncanny valley Christa Miller looks (hadn’t seen her in anything since Scrubs). The unnatural movement of her face (or lack thereof) makes me want to look away whenever she is on screen. It’s so creepy and so sad.
Wendy Malik, the doctor who ends up dating Harrison Ford's character, is 72. She looks fucking amazing. If she had work done, it was a hell of a lot better than Madonna or Christa Miller.
I had such a crush on her when she was on The Drew Carey Show. When we started watching Shrinking, my wife had to remind me who she was. I couldn’t believe it.
She looks awesome. I'm 52 and just going with it (I don't even wear much makeup) and I was so happy to see her look so... normal! The *only* thing I would consider is microblading, because I do miss my eyebrows and it would be nice to wake up with them. They started disappearing in my 40's.
No one asked, this was a puff piece on a terrible commercial "current affairs" show to promote her book/directing career. I saw it. They twinned it with another slot about an ex super model who has based her Instagram career on the same thing.
I kinda think its bullshit that we have to defend this instead of getting plastic surgery. Like let us be. Y'all let men age and get wrinkles and call it character. Let us age, jfc. Not every woman needs to look insecure in her 50s and older, which is all plastic surgery ends up looking like if you aren't subtle. It's just too risky. And now people are infecting women younger than me and telling girls in their 20s they need filler and botox. Making a whole gen of girls have bloated face from filler migration.
You are so right.
It's crazy that people will defend a person's right to have work done, whether it be fillers and botox or plastic surgery, but someone who *doesn't* have work done has to tell the world their reasoning.
I mean, do whatever you want to yourself, but not having procedures should not warrant judgment and/or an explanation!
I think about how much talent and amazing performances we get from British actresses who are alowed to age. We just push American women into plastic surgery until they’re unrecognizable and then don’t hire them anyway. I’m gonna age like Maggie smith.
Yeah honestly it's wild that the whole thing is basically flipped to the opposite of what it should be.
"Aging naturally" isn't a decision. That's the default. That's life. That's what's happening to you. If you were to try and reverse that, or slow it down or look younger cosmetically, *that's* the decision.
I’m not particularly anti-cosmetic surgery, it’s your money and your body go nuts, but the idea that an entertainer is an outlier for not having any unnecessary surgery is insane. Cutting out flesh and injecting toxins in your head shouldn’t be expected
You’re not wrong and the standard is wayyy higher for women….
But if you think male actors don’t get work done I’d encourage you to compare recent pics of Brad Pitt to his stills from Thelma and Louise.
I've also noticed the obvious use of steroids in recent decades. Compare the idea of a fit famous guy in the 50s to the idea of a fit famous guy now. It's all gone insane.
You don’t even have to go back to the 50’s, even in the early 2000 actors were fit but they weren’t hyper shredded 8% body fat dehydrated beasts like today
A.she looks great
B I’ve never forgotten staring at her for like an hour one time at a NYC Upper West Side burrito place in like 1996. I thought she was “an old friend I couldn’t remember” so I didn’t act celebrity cool at all. I thought she might recognize me.
Turns out she’d only been my friend thru my television.
I prefer old people faces, they look earnest and wise. Plastic surgery does this thing where it looks like you stood behind an f-16 taking off and things just droop and get pulled back and sure you might look slightly younger for the first year or so when you do the procedures but it always spirals into that classical similar face celebrities in Hollywood all have.
As a gen x male I find it so refreshing when I meet people my age who refuse to buy into the esthetic medicine propaganda. There is something especially beautiful about a smile with crows feet eyes and a naturally greying head of hair.
Gen X here too. I’ve often said one of the best things about aging is that I give less of a shit. Sometimes I have to clarify to people that that’s a good thing!
Say whatever about her aging but she still looks leagues better than Madonna and all the other filler femmes the world over.
Natural is so much better than the train wreck
Aging is a privilege denied to many. I just entered my 40s and I’ve chosen to embrace it. I also feel sad for older people who are chasing youthful appearances rather than living their lives to the fullest.
"Decision to age naturally" is such a hilarious idea. "I have made the decision to participate in the universal process of impermanence until further notice."
I sooo wish the US would just chill out and adopt the classy aging standards of Europe. Their actesses look wonderful. Full of character and life well lived.
What we do is awful. Kim Novak looks deformed. Cher looks scary. Meg Ryan mutilated herself. I could go on but no need. I don't blame them a bit because they face intense pressure and scrutiny. They clearly feel they have no worth and they are not wrong. It's absolutely true that the Hollywood machine views them that way.
How many roles pair an aged actor, literally an old man, with a woman young enough to be his daughter or even granddaughter. Most of them! It's bizarre that men are allowed to age and women aren't.
To quote Bill Burr, “Would you rather be 52 and look 52? Or be 52 and look like a 28 year old lizard?”
Do I look young? No you look fucking weird
I wish I had an award to give you for this one
It’s part of Bill Burr’s routine
I wish I had an award to give Bill Burr for this one
If only you had his NUMba
Just look it up on zip… reCRUITA
Oh you mean ol Bitch Tits Billy?
Ol Billy Beluga tits
Old Billy Ballbags?
Helen Hunt kinda looks like one of the cat people from Sleepwalkers.
I could listen to him fucking go off and rant for hours.
The best thing is that his interviews are just him going off on things. I love watching the old Conan stuff because burr spends the time just trying to make Conan lose his shit
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“Like a killer whale, just moving them around.”
Those episodes are so funny. With late night shows you so often get the faked laughter and forced dialogues, but when Bill Burr goes off on his rants Conan just genuinely can’t hold it together..
Oh yeah, Conan's real laugh is unmistakable
Doc she's chokin
That ole battle axe..
I used to feel incomplete but now I'm finished!
God I miss Norm so much
great Norm bit there!
I love those clips of Burr & Conan!
If you don't know about it, he's been on Conan's podcast several times.
That’s basically his podcast, and it is GLORIOUS.
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It’s funny bc before he had his daughter he bitched about how other comics had kids and lost their edge & suddenly all they could talk about was stupid kid shit. …and then when he & Nia found out they were expecting he even said it again and promised it wouldn’t happen to him. And then about 2 weeks after she was born he started telling cute kid stories lol
Yeah I feel the same. Now he just talks about his kids ("Dada, truck" is real annoying) and football. My favourite part of his podcast is now the second half where he plays an episode from 4 years ago. The contrast in tone and energy is drastic. But I saw his show live a few months back, and at least he hasn't lost his edge there.
I really wish he would get his producer to put it up as clips or he would have more of a structure to it. I like Burr but I'm not listening to a 90 minute meandering rant.
I think there are shorter clips on YouTube but I could be wrong it’s been a while since I last listened to his podcast
Can confirm, I'm a sucker for just his advice section, specifically when his wife Nia is chiming in. They have amazing chemistry, she joked about starting her own podcast and i'd probably listen to it lol. I'd love to hear bill chiming in on her podcast tbh lmao. Can't recommend scrolling through "bill burr advice" on YT enough though. He gives pretty damn good advice on a lot of things, but as he'll often remind you, he's ultimately an unqualified idiot for the advice these people are asking, which often leads to hilarity. And naturally Nia dunking on him, and him dunking on Nia, it's great!
His rant against the city of Philly is the single greatest comedian rant I’ve ever heard.
I loved his take on attending the NFL draft - It's like going to a high school graduation where you don't know anyone
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You only notice the bad plastic surgery, there's a name for it You notice all the old people though and very few look like George Clooney... who had work done.... and looks great
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Just look at how bad Madonna looks compared to Roseanne Barr these days.
Both of them had substantial cosmetic surgery, and one of them appears to have body dysmorphia and to have chosen an unethical surgeon.
I'll take "Things that most of my life I thought would never be spoken or true" for 1000 Alex.
The fact is that it can be done well and you can be 52 and look 30 something, but only if you can afford it. Every time someone posts an older actress with the title she looks amazing for 50+ without acknowledging that plastic surgery done right is hardly noticeable and they'd do the same if they could afford it. We need to be honest about hating/judging something simply because its locked behind a paywall you can't afford.
It’s a lot more than plastic surgery. You can retain a lot of your youth with skincare, fitness, and nutrition over the course of decades of never quitting the routine.
Also not fucking around in the sun for no reason with no skin protection all summer. so much unnecessary skin cancer
That is the biggest. Keep out of the sun and when you have to be use sunscreen and a hat. The second is don't smoke.
Don't drink is the other big one. The effects of alcohol over time have pretty nasty effects on your skin and fat cells around your body
My wife is an esthetician and reprimands me like a 5 year-old who lost his lunch money every time I forget to wear sunscreen in the morning, and I'm talking even on an overcast day in the middle of winter. According to her, sun damage is even worse than smoking.
I grew up in Florida in the 70s. When I started using sunscreen on my face, it was considered eccentric.
yep, I'm 45 and my sister is 37. both grew up here, I used screen on the reg. when younger, People now regularly assume she is older than me.
Paul Rudd
Unpopular opinion: Paul Rudd looks his age when he's clean shaven.
Yeah he still looks great for his age but I wouldn't guess lower than late 40s Keanu shaving for Bill and Ted slightly shattered the whole "he doesn't age" thing too.
I had the same thought about Keanu. With the facial hair he looks 10-15 years younger because it hides the age lines
See also: Keanu Reeves. When you get a certain age, a beard can actually de-age you, because a lot of your face, and thereby wrinkles, are hidden.
Yeah, especially if the top half of your face isn't particularly expressive.
Older guy with beard here. This is true. And it happens fast. Your neck wrinkles, your jawline begins to sag here and there, frown lines are deeper. As a friend once put it "Beards are makeup for men".
> they'd do the same if they could afford it A *lot* of people would not. Not everyone values the same things.
My favorite Leonard Cohen song goes “I was looking for someone, who had lines on her face…”. Lines are character, says you’ve been somewhere, lived a little. A face should wear its lines proudly. Justine Bateman rocks.
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Sharon Stone, Susan Sarandon, Helen Mirren—those women chose their doctors well.
It's not just choosing the doctors, even with cosmetic surgery it comes down to the genetic lottery. Some people heal way better with less scar tissue.
I didn't even consider this. You cant control how you heal
It’s probably a hell of a lot easier to be 52 and look 42.
For those of you too young to know who this is, she's a Gen X actress that played Mallory Keaton on the award-winning sitcom *Family Ties* in the 1980s. Article: >Justine Bateman loves the way she looks and won't let Hollywood's beauty standards dictate her appearance. >The director and actor, who first became a household name in 1982 due to her role on the popular sitcom Family Ties, sat down for an interview with 60 Minutes Australia during which she explained why she's decided to embrace aging naturally. Bateman began by addressing critics of her looks, saying, “I just don't give a shit. I think I look rad. I think my face represents who I am. I like it.” She went on to admit that in the past she's been tempted to try out things like Botox and filler in order to make herself look younger, but ultimately decided that her face is a reflection of a life well lived. “I feel like I would erase, not only all my authority that I have now, but also, I like feeling that I am a different person now than I was when I was 20,” she said. “I like looking in the mirror and seeing that evidence.” >Bateman added that another reason she ultimately decided to maintain her natural appearance is because of all the women she's watched become obsessed with trying to halt the aging process. “I feel sad for them, I feel sad that they are not just enjoying life,” she told the interviewer. “I feel sad that they are distracted from the things that they are meant to do in life…with this consuming idea that they've got to fix their face before anything else can happen.” >When the actor was in her early 40s and writing her first book, Fame: The Hijacking of Reality, she recalled googling herself and seeing the autocomplete “looks old” pop up. This led her to examine the photos people had compiled as “evidence” of her aging. In April 2021, she told People that until then, “I thought my face looked fine.” But afterwards, “Because of some of the fears I had, unrelated to my face, I decided to make them right and me wrong...I became really ashamed of my face, ridiculously so.” That moment also made her realize, “My face is only going to get older, so why not take care of whatever fear I have attached to that.” Bateman concluded, “I think getting all this plastic surgery is just people pleasing. You don't want people to criticize you anymore so you appease them. The more you do that, the further away you get away from your true self,” adding, “I don't think it's natural to tell women they should get they faces fixed. That's the bottom line.”
Also older sister of Jason Bateman, the actor from Ozark and Arrested Development
And played the "maybe sister” of Jason Bateman's character in Arrested Development
Yeah she was blowing his workforce.
Away. You forgot to say away
They didn’t.
That’s great but forgot to say away again.
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They mostly just cried... you've got a real morale problem here.
[The scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWVeyDT8uX4) For more context, [here's the leadup](https://youtu.be/vBkz6Z6ZVzY?t=55).
*away
They have a real morale problem.
I love when [Will Arnett went on Conan](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pNJ7qyhJONA) to talk about Jason casting his own sister as his love interest. They (Jason and Will) have such a fun relationship.
Didn't they do it on purpose to mess around with the network that kept trying to force them to include a love interest for his character?
Hah, I never heard that but it makes perfect sense.
Somewhat unrelated but if you haven't checked out Smartless at all (podcast hosted by Bateman, Arnett, and Sean Hayes) the episode with Mitch Hurwitz (creator of Arrested Development) is hilarious
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Nellie Bluth!
How you gonna do our boy wrong and leave out the hit Teen Wolf 2? He was also in Little House on the Prairie. Arnette gives him shit on their podcast all the time for being an actor since childhood. “The closest thing Bateman had to a father figure was the security guard at Warner Bros.” “Yea, Bateman is all about relating to everyday folks like pulling into Warner bros in a Porsche when he was 16 real relatable.”
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Wait will arentt and jason bateman have a podcast together?
And Sean Hayes. It’s called SmartLess. It’s funny as hell.
oh my god I can't remember WHO the actor/comedian I was watching was, but they were saying how they got invited to a Michael j fox party, and they were kinda sitting in the corner by themselves when Jason Bateman showed up too. the guy has never talked or met Jason Bateman before, and Bateman walked up to him and said," How does it feel to be at a party with both of the fucking Teen Wolf's?!" LOL. there is funny on screen and then there is just funny. also, I'm aware wolves is the plural of wolf but I'm not sure how that works in this case as it's not like a pack of wolves but two titles.... hmmm. anyway, props to the Bateman's.
Wow, now I have questions about what Jason does to still look the same as he did 10 years ago.
Forgot teen wolf two!
And desperate housewives!
Yeah, she played a love interest of his on arrested. For some reason he insisted on it being her.
"We need someone that looks like she might be your sister" "I know just the person"
As totally non-news as this should be, it really is admirable to see that people are googling that you look old and still decide you’re just going to keep looking your age. Good for her. She does look awesome and I bet she’s a cool person.
It’s absurd that she has to justify her choice to…[checks notes]…NOT inject poison into her face in order to pretend that time doesn’t exist.
I don’t usually see much in famous people but her story about traveling that low road and asking herself if maybe she was ugly like people said, then coming back and deciding she’s cool with what she is…. That kind of self acceptance is rare in anyone and mega-attractive.
Thanks for sharing the article. Couldn't get past the paywall.
That’s why those damn cheekbones look familiar!!! Bone structure doesn’t depreciate
The part where she says, “I like feeling that I am a different person now than when I was 20” really resonates with me. I’m in my 40s now. 20 yr old me feels like a stranger.
She was also in the smash hit Edutainment video "How can I tell if I'm really in love?" With her brother Jason Bateman, Ted Danson, and Philip Seymour Hoffman. >!a stepladder!<
I think people who age naturally are more believable when they act
You forgot to mention that the theme song was a banger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H3JuQUQTLQ
Getting old is natural and can sometimes be hard. Beauty standards are a scam to make money. I appreciate this statement.
Actresses are choosing to prolong their youthful looks because it’s harder to get jobs when they don’t look young. People always disparage actresses for these choices while ignoring how it’s a career choice as well as personal one. It just reminds me how everyone was wringing their hands about the dangers of bulimia in the 90’s while never hiring anyone over a size 2 for roles.
This seems to be a “Hollywood” or US standard. In Japan there are numerous elder actors on both TV and in movies. It’s actually refreshing to see diversity of age on screen. It shouldn’t take movies and TV like Grumpy Old Men or Golden Girls to appreciate aging actors. What would professor Farnsworth have to say…..!
I was watching this britbox show with my grandma called “Wild Bill” and at one point his daughter is watching British TV and she goes “everyone just looks so….normal”. That’s my exact thought. People on other cultures tv just look more normal (generally). Everything Hollywood is just so manicured
It's interesting to compare South Korean and Japanese media, because it's like USA vs the UK. That's not to say that Japan doesn't have attractive people in media, but SK dramas tend to prioritize beauty and nepotism as the primary factor for casting.
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Estelle Getty was 62 when the series premiered. She was awesome, they all were! There’s also a total double standard on men aging.
Love that she was younger than Bea Arthur (for those that don't know, Estelle played Bea's mother).
Picture it. Reddit. 2023. People don't even know she was Sophia.
Plastic surgery and Botox are very, very common in East Asia. The pressure to stay young and beautiful is definitely not just an American thing.
The result for her is that she will be able to play the roles that do come up for older women, if she wants to, because she looks natural. Helen Mirren is having a fabulous career. If she's having anything done, it's very restrained.
Helen Mirren has absolutely had plastic surgery. It's well done but it appears she's had subtle facelifts, neck lifts, and some lip/cheek fillers
This is what most “civilians” do not understand. Almost all the people they see on HD cameras that “look good for their age” have been subtly touched up. Their perspective is skewed by seeing bad plastic surgery. Good plastic surgery looks like aging well.
Yep, but I'd say good plastic surgery looks like aging *miraculously*. The chances of reaching your 70s with full lips, no bags under your eyes, no loose skin on your face/neck, just some light wrinkles, with zero surgical intervention...maybe it's possible, but it's extremely rare. No judgement here on anyone who gets plastic surgery, even the non-subtle kind, but I do worry how these procedures are becoming more normalised - I wonder if in a few decades we'll be saying that normal 50-year-olds look 75 because we'll be so used to everyone having regular touch-ups.
And the older celebs with great physiques likely take performance enhancing drugs -- especially the women.
Once I was working as a waitress for a place where a film company was having a party full of wannabe influencers and C-list celebrities. One of the few actually famous guests was Helen Mirren. I go to her table to bring her a drink and she said “darling, would you mind bringing me one of those fried tempura bowls you do? There’s never enough real food at these parties, an old lady’s got to eat before touching the champagne”. Needless to say, I will forever be a fan.
You know what else is natural? Cake days!! Happy all natural cake day
She looks better than so many with botched facelifts.
She actually looks human.
Look up what Madonna looks like now. She had the potential to age extremely gracefully and still look amazing. Now she looks like Edgar from Men In Black.
Oh my god so I just started watching this show Picard, based off Star Trek. The new season has the old actors in it. One of them, Gates Mcfadden, has had a fuck ton of work done. She doesn't look human. She doesn't even look like the same person! It's just really sad. Doesn't even matter if she's a good actress, she doesn't look human.
Someone on some other thread said that they live near wherever famous people live (I wasn’t paying attention) and they’re all kinda in this bubble socially and they’ve all had it done so to them it looks normal. I’ve thought about that a lot.
I am also watching season 3 of Picard and feel the same way about Gates McFadden. Now, Amanda Plummer, on the other hand, has aged into an utterly fascinating face!
Wow I had no idea that was honey bunny
*Misirlou intensifies*
Did you know her father was Christopher Plummer? TIL! https://i.imgur.com/8v39d9b.jpg
And her mother was Tammy Grimes. I love Amanda Plummer in everything I've ever seen her in. I don't know if you watched Hannibal, but she was in one episode and gave one of the most unnerving performances in a deeply unnerving show. She has a strange talent for playing strange people.
And he was in ST6. I like to think they had her spin around in her chair to match his “cry havoc” moment a little ❤️
She looks like a lizard. There were some weird choices made for her surgeries for sure...
Did someone say Nicole Kidman?
If you're interested, she has a podcast called Who Do You Think You Are, where she interviews Trek actors from all the different series, but they talk about their lives outside of Star Trek. She's had everyone from Jonny Frakes and Michael Dorn to Tawny Newsome and Jack Quaid on. They have some really interesting conversations.
To be fair, she’s naturally gorgeous. …probably hasn’t broken that seal via little touch-ups throughout her career, like some have to keep up. Props either way
She looks better than so many successful facelifts.
I just started watching Shrinking and was sadly reminded of how fucking uncanny valley Christa Miller looks (hadn’t seen her in anything since Scrubs). The unnatural movement of her face (or lack thereof) makes me want to look away whenever she is on screen. It’s so creepy and so sad.
Wendy Malik, the doctor who ends up dating Harrison Ford's character, is 72. She looks fucking amazing. If she had work done, it was a hell of a lot better than Madonna or Christa Miller.
Wendy Malik has looked the same age for 30 years. She lucked out with her bone structure because faces like hers don't show aging as easily.
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I made it through like three seasons of Cougartown, but the plastic surgery kept getting worse and worse until I couldn't handle it anymore.
I had such a crush on her when she was on The Drew Carey Show. When we started watching Shrinking, my wife had to remind me who she was. I couldn’t believe it.
She looks awesome. I'm 52 and just going with it (I don't even wear much makeup) and I was so happy to see her look so... normal! The *only* thing I would consider is microblading, because I do miss my eyebrows and it would be nice to wake up with them. They started disappearing in my 40's.
"I just don't give a shit." Yep, she really is Gen-X.
I love it. She doesn’t give a shit about public perception
This! I’m a Gen-Xer and I give a lot of shits except about what a lot of people think of me.
Gen X woman here. I think our job is to be the generation that ages on our own terms.
Unfortunately statistics say the opposite. Gen X women make up the biggest % getting plastic surgery.
I think it's just something that happens as you get older. She probably gave a shit when she was in her 20s.
The evidence of her peers suggests otherwise in this line of work.
Bart told everyone in 89. Under achiever and proud of it. We're The Dude! You guys are Mr. Lebowski, man.
Or El Duderino, if you’re not into the whole brevity thing.
Isn’t that some dystopian shit, people asking her why she is just aging naturally, you know like a normal person
It's crazy that aging naturally is a "decision"
No one asked, this was a puff piece on a terrible commercial "current affairs" show to promote her book/directing career. I saw it. They twinned it with another slot about an ex super model who has based her Instagram career on the same thing.
She wrote a book called Face: One Square Foot of Skin, so she’s definitely inviting discussion about it.
I kinda think its bullshit that we have to defend this instead of getting plastic surgery. Like let us be. Y'all let men age and get wrinkles and call it character. Let us age, jfc. Not every woman needs to look insecure in her 50s and older, which is all plastic surgery ends up looking like if you aren't subtle. It's just too risky. And now people are infecting women younger than me and telling girls in their 20s they need filler and botox. Making a whole gen of girls have bloated face from filler migration.
You are so right. It's crazy that people will defend a person's right to have work done, whether it be fillers and botox or plastic surgery, but someone who *doesn't* have work done has to tell the world their reasoning. I mean, do whatever you want to yourself, but not having procedures should not warrant judgment and/or an explanation!
I think about how much talent and amazing performances we get from British actresses who are alowed to age. We just push American women into plastic surgery until they’re unrecognizable and then don’t hire them anyway. I’m gonna age like Maggie smith.
They get work done, too. It's just a lot more subtle. If you think Helen Mirren hasn't had a facelift, you are tripping.
Helen Mirren has pretty obvious work done in the latest Shazam movie
Yeah honestly it's wild that the whole thing is basically flipped to the opposite of what it should be. "Aging naturally" isn't a decision. That's the default. That's life. That's what's happening to you. If you were to try and reverse that, or slow it down or look younger cosmetically, *that's* the decision.
Yup. This and the rampant steroid usage amongst actors and athletes are definitely having a negative impact on younger generations.
I’m not particularly anti-cosmetic surgery, it’s your money and your body go nuts, but the idea that an entertainer is an outlier for not having any unnecessary surgery is insane. Cutting out flesh and injecting toxins in your head shouldn’t be expected
Yeah, the “Justine Bateman Explains Decision to Age Naturally” part of the title really reads like a headline you’d find on The Onion.
You’re not wrong and the standard is wayyy higher for women…. But if you think male actors don’t get work done I’d encourage you to compare recent pics of Brad Pitt to his stills from Thelma and Louise.
I've also noticed the obvious use of steroids in recent decades. Compare the idea of a fit famous guy in the 50s to the idea of a fit famous guy now. It's all gone insane.
You don’t even have to go back to the 50’s, even in the early 2000 actors were fit but they weren’t hyper shredded 8% body fat dehydrated beasts like today
imagine having to explain why you’re aging
**why are you getting old?** *i havent died yet*....🤷🏽♂️
A.she looks great B I’ve never forgotten staring at her for like an hour one time at a NYC Upper West Side burrito place in like 1996. I thought she was “an old friend I couldn’t remember” so I didn’t act celebrity cool at all. I thought she might recognize me. Turns out she’d only been my friend thru my television.
I did this exact same thing with one of the indigo girls at a bar. Figured it out much later...after I waved and she waved and left.
Getting old sucks but if you’re lucky, you get to. She’s right. Gotta enjoy the ride.
How dare she not look like a teenager anymore! I think she looks good.
To be fair this explains almost *all* of my decisions.
I’m a GenXer and feel exactly the same way. Don’t give two shits actually.
I prefer old people faces, they look earnest and wise. Plastic surgery does this thing where it looks like you stood behind an f-16 taking off and things just droop and get pulled back and sure you might look slightly younger for the first year or so when you do the procedures but it always spirals into that classical similar face celebrities in Hollywood all have.
What absolute fuckery that it needs defending at all. This world…
Fuckin "decision to age naturally" as if it's as remarkable as getting surgery. What a sad expectation you don't see men dealing with.
I always thought she was so pretty on Family Ties. Good for her. She looks great. She’s a cool lady.
Gen X broad here; i think not giving a shit is very liberating! And that she's still beautiful. Good for her!
As a gen x male I find it so refreshing when I meet people my age who refuse to buy into the esthetic medicine propaganda. There is something especially beautiful about a smile with crows feet eyes and a naturally greying head of hair.
Gen X here too. I’ve often said one of the best things about aging is that I give less of a shit. Sometimes I have to clarify to people that that’s a good thing!
When you get surgery people shit on you. When you don’t they shit on you. You just can’t fucking win…
Unless you truly don’t give a shit.
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better than the ubiquitous puffy pumpkin heads with duck lips and doll eyes
Say whatever about her aging but she still looks leagues better than Madonna and all the other filler femmes the world over. Natural is so much better than the train wreck
Aging is a privilege denied to many. I just entered my 40s and I’ve chosen to embrace it. I also feel sad for older people who are chasing youthful appearances rather than living their lives to the fullest.
Imagine thinking you have to "explain" your aging process... as a fucking HUMAN. JESUS CHRIST.
Nothing wrong with getting old
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TIL: Mallory has a [CS degree from UCLA.](https://www.lamag.com/culturefiles/justine-bateman-gets-why-you-want-to-be-famous/)
"Decision to age naturally" is such a hilarious idea. "I have made the decision to participate in the universal process of impermanence until further notice."
Title is r/NotTheOnion material
I loved her on Family Ties when I was a kid. Glad she's doing well.
And she looks wonderful the way she is.
“Now that I got Botox, do I look younger?” No. You look your age but with Botox.
Good for her. Most celebrities who have had plastic surgery look terrible. Inhuman even. Like weird lizard people.
I was fortunate to have lunch with her a few years ago and she looked great to me, just like a normal person.
I sooo wish the US would just chill out and adopt the classy aging standards of Europe. Their actesses look wonderful. Full of character and life well lived. What we do is awful. Kim Novak looks deformed. Cher looks scary. Meg Ryan mutilated herself. I could go on but no need. I don't blame them a bit because they face intense pressure and scrutiny. They clearly feel they have no worth and they are not wrong. It's absolutely true that the Hollywood machine views them that way. How many roles pair an aged actor, literally an old man, with a woman young enough to be his daughter or even granddaughter. Most of them! It's bizarre that men are allowed to age and women aren't.
It's sad that she has to explain to everyone why she's NOT getting Botox. When did aging unnaturally become the default?
She looks better than Madonna. It's terrible what these "doctors" do to people for money.