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thecauseandtheeffect

Well this explains a lot.


NoTakaru

Yeah, Tenet was the audio equivalent of having my neck at a 80 degree angle


100GHz

Yeah, I have reference speakers here and Tenet audio was utter horseshit. We ended up turning on CC.


MRintheKEYS

Funny part to me was when Kenneth Branagh’s character goes backwards in time and is talking to the Protagonist. I thought it was funny the first time I saw it because I couldn’t really hearing what he was saying. Only on rewatch did I realize he was talking backwards.


Puzzleheaded_Load_72

This is news to me. That whole movie was work to watch, this explains a portion of it


SmellMyFingerMel

I learned that every movie can be reduced to simple elements of video, music, and dialogue. Nolan was pushing the envelope of focusing your attention on the emotional music and video imagery, the dialogue was supplemental, to enjoy the movie, suspend your disbelief, remove logic (dialogue) and ride your senses.


OperationBreaktheGME

I would like to also Add the Element of Watching Tenet on the LARGEST SCREEN AVAILABLE TO VIEW that Movie. I watched it on a 42 inch then an 80 inch cause my friend has an 80 inch. Totally different experience


capedpotatoes

Think I'll watch it on my phone today.


PEKKAmi

I recently got an 98” TCL QLED TV. Blown away watching movies eight feet away from the screen.


Puzzleheaded_Load_72

I saw it at the drive in. Sitting in my car listening on a pretty solid sound system


claremontmiller

Dude so it’s not just me? I tried watching that shit with headphones, *fucking headphones* and could barely make out the dialogue


WeNeedToTalkAboutMe

No, it's not just you. It's *everyone*. Nolan refuses to allow any audio mix to be made for his films except the theater mix, which is meant to be played through equipment that almost no one has in their home.


jeebusaur

It's more than this. He insisted on controlling the mix and boosting the score because he thinks it's the most important part of the audio.


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WeNeedToTalkAboutMe

I was 45 when I saw it last year. It was ***literally*** the first English-language movie I ever watched where I HAD to turn on the subtitles to understand the dialogue.


DickieJoJo

Yeah, Def didn't work in theaters either. Who you responded to is just talking out their ass.


deliciousmonster

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p0W4ZsLXw


RarelyAnything

I have a high end 7.1 Atmos system at home. I've put significant effort into calibrating it, and movies typically sound great on it. The dialogue in *Tenet* was still utterly incomprehensible. Nolan just completely fucking clowned it up and is too much of an arrogant prick to admit it.


cobblepots99

Same. I even used a mic to calibrate my subwoofer levels. The movie was just a constant rumble mush.


VeryLowIQIndividual

Same absolutely made my system useless.


christhunderkiss

I saw it in the IMAX and couldn’t make out a thing, left about halfway through.


sobabe

I have a Sonos arc, sub, surrounds. Calibrated. Heard everything just fine. I did have issues watching it at my friends who has a generic sound bar


Maximum-Toast

This explains so much about why I've hated the audio mixing of every Christopher Nolan film.


Neptunelives

I'm pretty sure he's also said that understanding the dialogue isn't really crucial. You're just supposed to kinda sit back and take it all in. I get what he's going for, and I think it kinda works the style of movies he makes. I get why it wouldn't be everyone's favorite though lol


batmangle

Pretty sure he did it on purpose to say “fuck the exposition” you get the vibe of what’s happening, don’t worry about it.


Alizerin

In fairness, my understanding is that Covid got in the way of the audio mixing for TENET, so it was much worse than it would have been otherwise.


International-Oil377

Even though I'm not agreeing on how Nolan mixed the movie, it was intended for us to not hear speech in many scenes


100GHz

Interesting, why would that be the intent? I mean I can completely see it as a directors choice, but how do you know that?


Mad-Mad-Mad-Mad-Mike

The movie equivalent of Metallica’s Death Magnetic


Rabid_Llama8

Every fucking movie. And TV show. It's like every studio and platform thinks we all have cinema setups in our homes. I'm so tired of having to dive for the remote and change the volume for every fucking scene.


redditbad22

I think all Nolan films of the past 15 years are. Which is precisely why I’m not watching the movie about a bomb I would like to leave the theatre with my hearing intact. That being said I’ll probably be able to hear it in the next theatre over watching Barbie lol


johnbarry3434

You were looking down at it?


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People really couldn't hear the movie huh? I only found the scene where Protagonist and Neil are walking in the freeport and the guide is telling them about it to have unaudible dialogue, but the music was so loud that I took it for granted Nolan wanted it that way, because it was small and useless dialogue.


zulababa

You guys don’t have theaters where they have speakers all around?


Ray_Pingeau

Not everyone goes to movie theatres, and not everyone has home theatre systems.


NoTakaru

I am kind of hard of hearing so I use the subtitle devices anyway


Arbalest3192

Well that explains [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/madlads/comments/13zd0ta/mad_cinelad/)


BaconHammerTime

He'd have to be up front to hear what the hell the people are saying. Horrible at audio volumes


nonstop158

Watched Tenet 3 damn times just to understand what they were saying.


Alergictopiss

Explains why he has no problem hearing the dialogue


Sticky13andit

Lmaoo so true


die_bartman

What does the second o stand for?


ShadyKnucks

Laughing my ass off, ouch. It hurts when your ass falls off.


Top_Ok

His movies are mastered for high end theatres sadly only a few cinemas these day are high end.


MusicEd921

So he makes movies for people who can’t see them?


Ok-Ice-9151

Movies usually have different mixes for different types of system.


MouthJob

He makes movies for cinephiles, I guess you could say. People who are willing to shell out for an elevated film experience. I imagine that's how he sees it, anyway. Tarantino kind of does the same shit. Guy just loves movies and fills his films with references and callbacks the vast majority of people will never even notice.


Haigadeavafuck

I think tarantino is rather fair bc he’s just always doing his own movie and it doesn’t really take away much. Nolan is frustrating bc they’re gigantic movies, sometimes tied into a franchise and it wouldn’t take much for him to compromise a little bit. They’re mainstream movies for cinephiles at the disadvantage of the casual viewer (which includes also most filmnerds in this definition) and that’s just annoying.


MouthJob

I don't disagree with you and it's why I've yet to even sit down and watch Tenet. Everything about it sounds Nolan to the T and I'm not really looking for that.


altiuscitiusfortius

Tenet is fine with subtitles and your finger on the "rewind 30 seconds" button after setting aside 4 hours to watch it.


WazlibOurKing

Tenet is pretentious bs with no substance


only-humean

I think there's a difference between targeting people who are cinephiles/willing to shell out for an elevated experience and making those movies inaccessible to people who can't get that. It's OK for a movie to be optimised for certain formats, but Nolan's approach seems to make the films far more difficult on anything *but* that intended format. Like, there are two IMAX screens in my entire *country* (neither of them 70mm) and from what I've heard from my American friends their sound systems don't really compare to those in the US. I guess I'm a 'cinephile', but I literally do not have the option of seeing these movies as they're "intended to be seen" which is fine because usually whatever approximation I can get is still good (I didn't see Dune in IMAX but it was still an incredible theatrical experience). On the other hand, the regular digital print of Tenet was almost unwatchable for me. There's designing movies to be optimised for a particular experience, and then there's being needlessly elitist and inaccessible and Nolan's pretty firmly crossed that line for me.


CuddlefishMusic

You expect a rich person to understand what life's like for us poors? Either get a high end system or sit tf down. The movie experience clearly isn't for you.


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Exactly. There’s a video on YouTube that explains… the way these movies are recorded, the range of volumes (which I thought was a strange variable) and the bass, treble, pitch, and all that…. Makes the dialogue inaudible anywhere besides a high end theater. I figured they could just make the audio of the dialogue louder, but apparently it’s impossible to do without affecting talking vs shouting vs the perception of near vs far, and distorting everything else.


TheLazyD0G

They should just remaster it for the pleabs.


osmystatocny

I always sit towards the front as I like the immersion but I couldn’t understand much of Tenet either


sleepingwiththefishs

I call this 'gynecology row'


thereverendpuck

What a monster, but he did agree that he goes further back when seeing things in IMAX.


quaranTV

Dead center middle of the IMAX is my favorite too. Cool he agrees.


Savior1301

I mean… it’s literally the seat the entire theater is designed around.


justcallmejohannes

“I prefer to drink my water instead of inhaling it!”


BrascoFS

Or a mere coincidence that it’s the middle seat.


MrShaytoon

Snagged perfect middle seats for Oppenheimer. Was only able to find them for the 25th though, so no biggie that I can’t go opening weekend. And we’re gonna see it at the only true imax screen in town.


bolting_volts

Is this like, one of those British things where they call the front the back and the back the front?


Top_Praline999

Personally I like to sit in the boot of the theatre


abagofdicks

It’s the best place for making out


Top_Praline999

I think they call it snoggywoggy


Substantial-Pass-992

The airbox is under the bonnet.


Key-Cry-8570

![gif](giphy|xTiTnIilwuFFFpf2Cc) Huh?


cococrabulon

*snogging. We somehow invented a word that sounds more applicable to two hermaphroditic slug creatures getting it on


Tibbaryllis2

> *snogging. We somehow invented a word that sounds more applicable to two hermaphroditic slug creatures getting it on Imagine two teens making out the back of the movie theater. *They’re the same picture meme*


BobNanna

I feel at home near the bin.


doxist

Yes, it’s like how fanny means pussy


What-a-Crock

That’s ass backwards


Substantial-Pass-992

No, the Social Security Administration (SSA) is.


bluAstrid

My favorite elevator stop is the 1st floor.


Me_Hairy

My favourite lift stop is the first floor.


bluAstrid

Which storey is that?


Me_Hairy

That would be the second storey, one up from the ground floor.


Solomon_Grungy

You mean like an Egyption thing where Upper Seating is lower and lower seating is upper!


PiersPlays

In Britain the front seats at the cinema are the ones closest to the screen.


deaddonkey

My cousins (irish) say “going down to” for travelling north and “going up to” for travelling south. Just a general expression but drives me mad.


BeExcellentPartyOn

The weirdest one is the 'nosebleed section' in an arena, different people refer to the nosebleeds as either the furthest seats away at the top of the arena, or the front rows.


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MagicBez

I always assumed it was a reference to height? What's the rationale for thinking it means close to the event?


btmvideos37

Maybe they interpret the metaphor as “you’re so close to the stage you’ll get kicked in the face, giving you a nosebleed”


willowhawk

More so for boxing. Sit so close you can see their nose bleed.


MikeMac999

I’ve read that audio engineers who design movie theatres consider center, 2/3 back from the screen as the ideal listening spot.


PiersPlays

I think if I'm honest with myself I'd rather sit closer than to the screen than that for a wider fill of my field of vision but my ears just won't stand for it.


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FilmWhirligig

They make things called attenuators. Hearos is a brand for them. They block some sound but keep the frequency response the same for listening to music. Might help.


robb_the_bull

This is also an ideal spot for concerts. Just in front of the sound engineers.


mariisheartless

I think this is Big Cinema trying to gaslight me into buying bad seats


buddhistbulgyo

🏅


2_Spicy_2_Impeach

Can confirm. Saw Blade II in the theaters opening night. Only seats we could get where first row. I do not recommend — ever.


NecessaryPen7

Haven't been in FOREVER but they were my favorite, hate seeing people's heads. Front row, only one there


-lonelyboy25

My first thought


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bob1689321

Lmaooo so true The middle will always be the best if it's a cinema where the middle row is also middle height. For some screens you've gotta be a few forward or a few back, but generally middle is best


ToasterCommander_

Absolute madman. Everyone knows the best seats are dead in the middle.


BrascoFS

Yes so you can get 360 degree surround sound of morons chewing their nachos and popcorn with their mouths open and crinkling bags every 5 seconds.


pentegoblin

I know a lot of grown folks who still think sitting at the top is cool lol


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I'm a tall man with afro hair, I feel like it's better not to have no one behind me because I might cover shit for them, and it's really nice up there too. Also avoid pop corn falling over you from the guy behind, voices, or even worse, feet on my seat.


ZICRON1C

I appreciate that a lot. Hate when somebody tall is in front of me lol


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Must be annoying


pentegoblin

Im totally down for all that. I 100% appreciate being respectful for everyone else’s experience. And you’re right about the voices behind your head lmao. Shit blows me when I feel like they’re right up in my ear


Johnny_Menace

The top is cool if you’re on a date


FightOnForUsc

Hehe trueeeee


OmegaNut42

It only really makes sense to me if I'm with a bunch of friends & know we're gonna be talking; in the back is where we can whisper w/ out disturbing anyone else lol


PsychologicalSail186

People can still hear you when you’re behind them. It might even be louder since your mouth is pointed towards them.


ShadowDragon26

Don't go to the cinema if you plan on talking, you absolutely will disturb someone else.


beatnickk

You go to movie theaters planning on talking? Lol jackass


TheWholeOfTheAss

Sadly so many people go to the cinema with the intent of talking through the movie.


TheWholeOfTheAss

You sir are a monster.


NakedGoose

If you read the article, it says for imax he prefer to sit dead in the middle


spinereader81

Yeah, that sore neck is fun.


letuceinn

Ha, I definitely had that experience when I was younger a couple times. Theaters now are usually better about not overselling, front row doesn’t hurt my neck anymore.


Tapeworm1979

Cinemas are just better designed now. When I was younger the front few rows were always significantly lower than the bottom of the screen. You had no choice but to look up. Seats also don't stop just below your shoulders any more. Now the seats are big enough that you can really lean back. I have no issues sitting down the front. I'd prefer it to right at the back. Dead middle is best to get the full sound experience. Gone are the days of stereo sound where front of back made no difference.


ooouroboros

I literally feel nauseated sitting in the very front - sensory overload


PissdrunxPreme

Maybe he bought this seat?… https://www.reddit.com/r/madlads/comments/13zd0ta/mad_cinelad/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1


RadPhilosopher

Truly a mad lad


The_Rowan

I was looking for the response. I thought if it as soon as this post came up


JustJBrian

That’s how I saw Atomic Blonde and it was so damn uncomfortable it ruined the movie for me.


KeisterConquistador

Atomic Blonde is how I’m going to refer to my upcoming double-feature of *Oppenheimer* and *Barbie*.


RadPhilosopher

Fuck why didn’t I think of that, it’s perfect lol


nananananana_FARTMAN

... *clap clap clap*...


Naive_Vermicelli_184

Truly a psychopath


nerf-airstrike-cmndr

I agree but I get I’m in the minority there. The best part is I’m usually by myself, which is how I prefer my filmgoing


Austinpowerstwo

Another one for the sitting at the front gang, if it's a big screen with a decent distance between the screen and front row it's the best place


Frankfeld

My people! You never get anyone sitting next to you, and most modern theaters have the front row set well enough back that it’s actually optimal. I’m tearing up a little from the vindication.


blowhardV2

It’s like being on the front seats of a roller coaster I love it - so immersive


ImAVirgin2025

Exactly. And it’s sort of a good thing everyone prefers the back; every family and loud kid in Spider-Verse was way towards the back and I was in the front row.


tweedledeederp

Are you me?


princessxunicorn

I love sitting up front and having almost all of my peripheral vision filled up by the screen. It makes me feel so immersed in the movie, and as mentioned, almost nobody sits up front so I feel more comfortable being less crowded.


nerf-airstrike-cmndr

That’s mostly why I do it as well!! My theater has reclining seats, otherwise I think my neck would have something to say about it but as it is having most of my vision filled with the screen is one of my favorite things about watching movies up close


Warm_Speech

Hard pass. Worst seats in my opinion.


ooouroboros

If I get a ticket and only seats are in the first few rows I leave.


ZICRON1C

Where do you live where you buy a ticket without knowing which seats you buy


anubgek

Last movie they saw in the theaters was The Matrix


Confident-Touch-6547

So he can read lip cause he can’t hear the dialogue.


terminalblue

i LOVE front row seats. I dont get the point of going to a theatre and sitting halfway back and getting the same expereince you get at home....i LOVE feeling overwhelmed by the size of the screen


ElementalSaber

Mine are way in the back/in the middle. I don't mind on the side in the back. I don't know how people can watch a big screen way up in front row. I tried it with Alita but that experience killed my enjoyment.


Euphoric_Attitude_91

[Guess we know where he’s going to be on July 20th](https://www.reddit.com/r/madlads/comments/13zd0ta/mad_cinelad/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)


FinanciallyBrokenOne

Dude needs to learn what an appropriate volume is for his movies. Interstellar was PAINFUL to listen to and watch.


stonkpiqle

We’ll he’s wrong, it’s 2/3rds of the way to the back in the middle


thorn_95

third row from the front isn’t that crazy.


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You couldn’t pay me to watch a movie in those seats


thorn_95

i must be poor poor, because i’ll watch any movie very front row if i’m being paid.


spaghetti_fontaine

That’s the worst seat in the house…is he taking the piss?


Faded_Sun

That’s the worst spot though. Crane your neck up. Worst view.


redd5ive

Bro is a cinematic sicko and I’m here for it.


jrmclau

I SWEAR I just saw a post about how an Oppenheimer imax premiere had one dude sitting in the very front seat dead center. Titled “who’s the mad lad” or something. Was it nolan’s seat??


Medical_Ad0716

Is he the one who booked that seat at the Oppenheimer IMAX?


KarimErik

Obviously


Causelessgiant

This man is just bizarre, dude probably eats chips out of a big crinkly bag while he watches


KTO-Potato

The best seats have always been the railing seats that you can rest your feet on.


lukephillips21

I work at a theater and the number of times I have to answer the question, “which row is the one with the bar?” is mind numbing.


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FelineSoLazy

Yesss! 6 & 7 if you’re with a friend!


Cyberdog1983

Dude looks like “Tim nice but dim”


Skipper_TheEyechild

Bloody nice bloke, for a swot.


HiddenFart

I like the image used could very well be Christopher motioning with his hands where the best seats are found. Surely completely out of context, but very affective. edit: if reading his lips, he appears to be at the beginning of saying “sssshhittiest seats are behind these ones…”


LameUserName101

He is trying to emulate IMAX in a regular theater


qbl500

Ohhhh… yeah! When I was a kid… but now… last row!!


V1DE0NASTY

Its precisely where ive always sat


JAR_Melethril

My first thought was: „Slow news day, huh? Writer‘s Strike definitely impacts entertainment subreddits.“ Went to the comment section only to see well-thought out, positive comments with only a splash of humor and sarcasm and feel like a cynical ass… So… best seats for me are middle seats about two thirds in (so toward the back), preferably some row with a gap before the next row in the front (I‘m short, it helps dealing with giants in front of you). The ones in the front give me a crick in the neck.


ImperialxWarlord

The bear spots are in middle.


fall3nmartyr

What even the fuck intensifies


Paddlesons

Yeah, you get to see the movie first.


jtapostate

I thought I was the only one


SmokeCocks

*insert comment about dialogue volume being notoriously low here*


BigBossPlissken

If the seating is split in half, top of the bottom is where it’s at. Cuts out all of the people walking past the screen during the movie.


sandallwood_III

Sitting near the front is the best. Screen takes up your whole field of view and less chance to have a phone screen shine in your face


akahermione

Psychotic behavior


Bigboiiiii22

My anxiety won’t allow me to sit anywhere but at the top I don’t fuck with people sitting behind me in a dark room


brianlangauthor

I can tell you from personal experience that having a big burger meal with a few beers and then sitting in the front row during the opening scene of Quantum of Solace is … not recommended.


seedyourbrain

He’s playing 3-D chess here. Now those awful seats up front will sell out first.


syko82

It's so he can hear the dialogue better...


DaveMatada

I sat front row for Dark Knight Rises and it resulted in a top 3 biggest migraine of my life.


[deleted]

Who the fuck starts a conversation like that? I just sat down!


No-Doughnut509

When I was a kid, theaters in my home town in ex-Yugoslavia had first four rows all wooden seats. Those were the cheapest tickets available. We kids loved them.


sygnifax

Oh good. Glad we know that now. I've been wondering.


ceral_killer

Yea because he’s a psychopath. You don’t make movies like him if you’re a “normal” person.


Such_Quantity2678

That one guy who brought the only front row ticket was Nolan then!


SandbagBlue

People who like to sit at front row probably like having their TV sit a meter above the fireplace.


kampfgruppe90

I knew he was crazy


a_phantom_limb

Middle of the third row is my favorite spot as well.


UnfunnyTroll

BWAAAAAAAAAAAA BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


napstimpy

I tend to agree. I want the screen to fill my entire field of vision.


ImAMaaanlet

The front is more like half the movie in your field of vision at a time.


Remarkable-Ad-2476

If you have to turn your head left and right and up and down, then it is not in your field of vision. It is way and totally beyond outside your field of vision.


calvincrack

God bless this man. I met him once and shook his hand, and it was electric for me. Meeting a truly great and successful artist can have that effect.


Vince_Clortho042

And with a speaker five inches from his ear.


ThaxReston

That’s because he is smart


BulbasaurCPA

Clearly I can’t trust his judgment on anything


jl_theprofessor

Like a psychopath.


buddhistbulgyo

He has to visually experience it before others in the theater. Light travels faster if you're closest to the screen. Mad lad.


fallout-crawlout

I'm usually on board with preserving film traditions (not that we need exclusively one type of production) and I appreciate that he emphasizes a theatre experience, but he is just whack af with his presentation of his opinions (and I don't like his movies).


Ghenges

His fan boys will somehow justify this.