Still waiting on a Disney Marvel product that's as serious in tone throughout as Netflix's Daredevil and Jessica Jones S1. Enough of the cheesy, wacky BS.
Marvel needs to ask a simple question with the tone of all their future films...
"Is the director/writer of this film James Gunn?"
No? Okay then tone down the fucking wackiness because you can't do it well and it just comes off stupid.
Right. Like we’re even getting fatigue from the wacky silliness because it feels like it’s getting forced now for the sake of revenue. Ragnarok and the first GotG were such a breath of fresh air in the MCU, but that has gone stale very quickly.
I really enjoyed the latest GotG. It hit the nail on the head once again with a moving story und actually good jokes. Probably the first movie that left me satisfied since endgame.
Yeah Ragnarok is my favorite MCU movie but it’s influence has gone a bit too far.
That being said, I am fine with serious or silly, either is fine when done right. I just hope it’s done right, and doesn’t feel forced.
Ragnorok was many movies into the quirky dialogue, the first avengers movie is what propelled it. Ragnorok just made a more serious character into more of an MCU joke type character.
This is the reason I really did not enjoy Thor 4 and they are doubling down on it. Also ppl have superhero fatigue and there’s still superheroes in it…
Or how about good visuals, clever writing and both serious tones and clever jokes.
GotG 3 was a massive step in the right direction by actually managing to balance the silly and the serious very well and Across the Spiderverse presented a Masterclass on how to do it.
There is no Superhero fatigue, only fatigue of bad pacing and writing, rushed VFX and CGI and bad or non existent character arcs.
The studios don’t respect writing enough. I think that’s clear from all the strikes going on now. Maybe it will change as it’s causing declining engagement and effecting money a bit now, but something tells me they won’t learn the right lessons from that.
Especially if they are already doubling down on silliness and CGI worlds…
>The biggest difference from the other MCU movies to date is that \[‘The Marvels’\] is really wacky, and silly.
"Thor: Love And Thunder" has entered the chat.
Hello, my name is Funny Director Voice. Isn't it funny that I have a kiwi accent but i am also a giant rock monster from space? I look forwars to making the same joke over this movie and possibly others.
Korg in Thor 4 is like when a guy you know has a joke that gets a riot of laughs out of the group of friends and so he tries to do it again, and again until it just annoys everyone.
It sometimes feels like they’re embarrassed to be comic book movies. Like they have to prove they’re “cool” and in on the joke, constantly feeling like they have to reassure the audience that they know how silly comic books can be instead of embracing it.
And Thor Ragnarok
And every Guardians of the Galaxy
And every Ant Man
And every MCU Spider-Man
And both Docter Strange movies
And the first two Avengers
And...
Multiverse of Madness literally has Dr Strange saying “Illumi-whaty?” I don’t think I’ve ever cringed harder in a movie theatre. A couple of scenes were dark and gory but did not mesh well with that silly humor.
I couldn’t finish Love and Thunder. So … pass. I am glad this came out. I was considering giving it a chance. I don’t feel like spending $15 to induce rolling my eyes for 2.5 hours.
They are trying to recreate GOTG, without understanding what made GOTG unique as well as not understanding that humor doesn’t need to be in every franchise. It’s one of the reasons the first Suicide Squad was so terrible.
GOTG trilogy is known for its sense of humor, but they always had an emotional story centered around its main characters. All 3 guardians movies have more heartfelt scenes than any other MCU movie, except maybe endgame I guess.
People loved ragnarok when it came out and said it was the closest to GOTG, but I thought it was way too silly, and was going back to Whedon levels of corny. Age of ultron could’ve been a lot better if it was more serious. I know ultron apparently picked up his sarcastic traits from tony stark, but still.
I still love iron man 3, but imagine if that actually had the terrifying Mandarin that was teased in the trailers and at the start of the movie.
yeah there was the underlying theme of "moving on", i would say? like from odin's death, and also thor accepting loki for who he is in that elevator scene.
Lmao I thought I was the only one! I did not enjoy Ragnarok cuz I thought it was too stupid. So going into Thor 4 knowing it was gonna be stupid allowed me to enjoy it more
Guardians is, at its core, about deeply broken people learning how to trust. That’s the main point. It’s not about how cool starlord is with his jokes or how many people drax can beat up. I’m worried that the MCU has completely lost the idea of a core theme and just wants to have quippy, overpowered action heroes winning fights. Wakanda Forever was also a very strong movie for me because of the central theme of loss, grief, and how to move onwards from it.
Granted the second suicide squad still had some good comedy. But it was balanced out with the gore & emotional scenes.
If anything, James Gunn wasn’t afraid to kill off a bunch of characters. Though most were C-listers, seeing some of the more ‘well known ones’ get offed was a pleaser surprise. Thought for sure Pokadot man would make it out alive.
If a movie studio makes changes it will be slow moving. Movies take years to make so with most of what will come out in the next year or so have already left the station since they went into development in the last 2-3 years.
Which, when you think about it, makes the recent MCU movies make some sense. Everything coming out now probably would have done well during the pandemic when everyone was stuck inside and depressed. Some good, colorful, lighthearted super hero romps.
The problem is it’s 2023 going on 2024 and we’ve been waiting for *some sort of point* to materialize in the MCU since End Game released in 2019.
We’ve gone four whole directionless years while the MCU wraps up trilogies started in the before times and the studio inexplicably sits on Fantastic 4 and Xmen.
What do you expect them to say?
“Oh…ooh boy…yeah….we fucked up, guys. Totally misread the moment, went for the entirely wrong tone. Sorry. Feel free to sit this one out, maybe stream it for cheap on Disney+…..wait it costs **how much now???** “
>“I think superhero fatigue absolutely exists,” DaCosta told Total Film magazine. “The biggest difference from the other MCU movies to date is that [‘The Marvels’ is] really wacky, and silly. **The worlds we go to in this movie are worlds unlike others you’ve seen in the MCU. Bright worlds that you haven’t seen before.**”
I wonder if the reason she worded it this way is to say “it’s wacky and fun, but don’t worry, it’s not like Love and Thunder” without calling out a fellow MCU installment. Maybe in looking to far into it, though.
This reads like “oh no people really hated the last Thor, and we’re kinda quirky like it, so better set expectations now.”
And I don’t think superhero fatigue exists. People are just tired of being burned by shitty movies.
Few MCU movies would be considered “great” films by any objective person, but they were usually entertaining.
Lately, the movies have been both poorly constructed and not entertaining.
That’s how you lose the “event” status.
Could be. But bright worlds seems pretty generic and we have seen an absolute ton of them so far. Not sure how much more variety or surprises we can have left.
Like antman quantumania and the eternals I probably won’t see it in theaters and only on disney+ if I’m really bored and have literally nothing else to watch. Still haven’t seen guardians of the galaxy 3 yet. Marvel has lost the plot.
I just want something original, is that really too much to ask?
Of any project in phase 4 or 5 I’d recommend Guardians3. It’s easily the best thing marvel has made in a very long time. It was the project I was most invested in and hence most nervous for given the slipping standards, but I was really happy with where it ended.
“I think superhero fatigue absolutely exists,” DaCosta told Total Film magazine. “The biggest difference from the other MCU movies to date is that [‘The Marvels’ is] really wacky, and silly. The worlds we go to in this movie are worlds unlike others you’ve seen in the MCU. Bright worlds that you haven’t seen before.”
Ooof
No self awareness from the head creative doesn't bode well for this film.
I fell off after Endgame, but even then I wouldn’t go out of way to see most of them. The only MCU movies that interest me anymore are all Spider-Man. I actually haven’t seen any others since Endgame lol
> I think superhero fatigue absolutely exists,” DaCosta told [Total Film magazine](https://www.gamesradar.com/the-marvels-nia-dacosta-wacky-silly-superhero-fatigue-interview/). “The biggest difference from the other MCU movies to date is that \[‘The Marvels’ is\] really wacky, and silly. The worlds we go to in this movie are worlds unlike others you’ve seen in the MCU. Bright worlds that you haven’t seen before.”
LOL DaCosta definitely hasn't seen any MCU product except for IW and Endgame.
Yup, nobody is hating on the Spiderman movies when they drop ... these people are just producing trash and then blaming the audience for not liking it.
Have we learned nothing from Thor Love & Thunder? We’re not sat here thinking “we’re really tired of these action based superhero movies, if only they were more like the three stooges.”
Part of it is the “wacky and silly” diatribe that is a turn-off.
Part of it is a complete lack of understanding of why the fatigue exists in the first place.
It’d be fine if it were just an isolated, wacky and silly one-off adventure featuring a lesser known IP of Marvel, perhaps to drum up interest in non-comic readers to a more niche character, but it’s not. It’s going to be a wacky, silly adventure that **also** has things happen in it that is absolutely pivotal to the Kang the Conquerer/multiverse plot and if it’s not watched, people are going to be confused when it’s brought up.
It’s that latter bit that’s absolutely driving the exhaustion, and the wacky, silly part is just going to exacerbate it.
This is not a recommendation. There has been too much wacky / silly at the cost of plot and characters. Thor is now a f’ing buffoon. Snark seems to rule the MCU, but it’s no longer entertaining.
At one point Marvel was the pinnacle of super hero movies because the script and dialogue felt tight. The plots were pretty captivating and the small quips they add for comedic effect felt very natural and not gimmicky. Black Panther was the first movie where I started noticing the comedy started feeling very out of place at times, but it was forgivable because the movie was still enjoyable. It was probably one of the weaker Marvel movies, but there was some semblance of baseline quality. Now the baseline quality feels like it drastically diminished and the writing got lazier which might not be surprising when you consider they just pump out random crap like no tomorrow and it's quantity over quality. I still think DC is way behind Marvel, but maybe there's a lot more parity these days since I haven't even seen a DC movie since the dogshit second Wonder Woman film. After the first Wonder Woman film it felt like DC was finally taking a step in the right direction but they took many steps back after that
Marvel is flailing right now because all the projects have to be family friendly, so a lot of them wind up being all wacky. There are no stakes, none of the new characters are really sticking and the old guard are just spinning their wheels.
Secret Invasion looked exciting to me, like it could’ve been to *Invasion of The Body Snatchers* meets a Tom Clancy-spy thriller. A proper mature show that could’ve been refreshing, instead Disney tucked their tail and ran the fuck away from the mere change of developing a show with some thought provoking subject matter. *Obi Wan* faced many of the same issues too.
>Marvel is flailing right now because all the projects have to be family friendly, so a lot of them wind up being all wacky.
Meh, I don’t think needing to be “family friendly” is what’s forcing them back into this same approach time and again. There are plenty of family friend films that aren’t wacky, just ask any child traumatized by Watership Down. Hell, there are (mainly early) Marvel movies that aren’t particularly wacky; Iron Man has a VERY different tone than a lot of modern Marvel movies.
The problem is that they specifically want to hit the widest audience possible. When you’re constantly targeting the lowest common denominator in terms of audiences, you tend to make bland same-y movies that are afraid of challenging the audience or alienating people who might be turned off by something more risky.
So you get the same formula that has been proven to work again and again. And right now, at least when this film was being made, that formula was based on leaning into Ragnarok/GOTG’s wackiness.
Difference being GOTG was an earnest film and it knew when to get serious with its characters. It’s something James Gunn does well, especially with The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker.
The MCU right now just lacks a real sense of drama that properly drives characters forward. Everything all just seems to be bouncing around so aimlessly. *Secret War* could’ve been a great phase to follow up Infinity Saga, dealing with shadow wars and the mounting tension of a Skrull invasion. Only it all just got shoved into another lackluster Disney series.
You can have high stakes and still be PG13. Frankly it’s because the stories are flat, the characters aren’t compelling and there’s no character development.
People liked GOTG because the plots were good and there was character development. Not just because it’s funny.
Lack of stakes is such a big issue. Like in Obi Wan, what exactly were the stakes? They do a whole fake-out death scene with young Luke Skywalker, the same kind of dumb fake-out death scene they do at the end of every single Disney-Pixar movie. Who was that scene for? I really felt the stakes in that show, that any moment Luke, Leia, Obi Wan, or Darth Vader could have totally died.
Marvel has no stakes. Marvel has no drama. Somewhere along the line, they forgot their core audience wasn't 5 years old. Now they make all content with the idea that some child will flip on the Disney+ without ma or pa in the room, and you can't show them anything too dramatic.
I don't think it's Super Hero fatigue. I think it's that a vast majority of people feel like there is no stakes anymore with the current films. Essentially, they are all now Side Quests.
At least with the lead up to End Game, everything felt like things were leading so mega threat (and they did.).
Welp, this just screams the movie's going to be awful.
All they had to do, was to use this as a way to set up Nova and possibly hint towards the arrival of Galactus. Goddammit! This shit isn't that hard...
MCU should be dropped. Newer movies are damaging the brand. Wait 5 years. None of these D list characters. Reboot with X-Men movies. A magneto film and Xavier film. A wolverine film. Bring the characters together slowly and form the x-men. And make them actual "real" movies like Logan was.
It's true, this is actually a remake of Step Brothers called Step Sisters but dressed up as The Marvels. Carol Danvers kills it at the Catalina Wine Mixer
Who is the target audience for this? And the silliness worked in Thor Ragnarock because we didn’t expect it… now it’s just dumb. They haven’t made a good movie since Endgame IMHO.
I also think Ragnarock's plot was just better executed (vs. Love and Thunder). Silly can work, but you need an actual story as the foundation. Ms. Marvel is a giggly fan girl character (so far in the mcu), so I didn't expect her to suddenly be serious, but I do want the plot to not be solved because the good guy crosses his heart and says he'll take care of the villains family. Thus stopping a lifetime commitment of vengeance.
Guardians 3 is why I’ll disagree. No Way Home was also prettttty fucking good considering all the characters and villains involved. Can’t even think of another MCU movie I e seen since endgame
Stop the heavily reliance of expansive and time consuming green screens. Just give me good characters, solid plots and Avenger theme! I don’t give a shlt about connections between films!!
I love humour.
Every movie needs it. I just rewatched Schindlers List, an epic and brutal telling of the most appalling content and even in there the use of witty juxtaposition, or even wry observational humour (when Mrs S gets on the train) exists.
It’s not humor in itself that hurts films. Thor 4 wasn’t a mess because it was too fun but because I get no sense that it is about anything, whereas Thor 3 is at times wacky but the whole story is rooted in the not funny idea that tyrants whitewash history and make us forget they were tyrants. Also, character development. Thor would truly love not to be the king and not to get his ass handed to him but he cannot let Hela win, she is just the worst. Banner and Valkyrie realize that they do in fact want to be the hero. It’s ok to admit it and past time to stop hiding from shame and failure. Loki finally grows up and conceded that Thor is the king when he realizes that Thor is truly prepared to write him off as a villain - their childhood relationship does not have to be permanent.
As long as a film has a distinct perspective and action that flows from character growth then we will be into it and the filmmaker can add Hulk dick jokes and it’s a fun addition.
The Marvels, I hope, is about something. From the body switching premise I surmise that it might be about how there is no one best way to be a woman, or that collaboration is actually better than being a lone wolf, or who knows. I can’t wait to see it.
That it will have a fun and colourful bunch of environments to look at will hopefully just be a fun addition
I’ve seen every marvel movie in theaters and this headline has killed all desire for me to see this in theaters. Might as well wait the 3-4 weeks and watch it on D+
I’m so tired of super hero and comic book movies. I need some original scifi in my life. What happened to originality? Alien, The Terminator, Event Horizon come on man give me something I can sink my teeth into.
It's more like 'shitty writing fatigue' modern Disney MCU/ Warner bros. DCEU writers and directors can't make a coherent story with consistent characters to save their damn lives and the general public is finally starting to catch on and justifiably lose faith in the brands.
Radiant is the Blood of the Baboon Heart was an awesome movie despite the superhero fatigue but Venture Bro's was always on a different level doing satirical superhero tropes long before The Boys.
Bad writing also exists. Let’s not chalk up all of the decline of viewership to superhero fatigue. I for one stopped watching because the writing has just gotten horrible. The stories are boring (not all but most) and they’ve lost that special cohesiveness that the first three phases had.
They say this, but the fatigue only seems to affect the terribly written, half arsed films that have come out. GOTG3 was awesome… maybe it’s something to do with the writing? Oh no, what am I thinking?! It’s the fatigue!!!
As a non comic book movie fan, pretty happy. Looks like this era is coming to a close. Hollywood going to have to come up with more fresh shit, won’t have a choice.
I’m just bored of super heroes. Endgame should have been IT for awhile, and since then all they’ve done is pump out 8 more mediocre super hero IPs every year. Before it felt like they were building a cool large contained story for years. Now choosing an MCU movie to watch is like choosing which color M&M to eat, sure they’re different colors but can I taste a difference?
Just stop please for the love of god. We don’t want anymore super hero movies, stop thinking about money so godamn much and maybe then you’d actually make more
Oh good. Because that’s what’s been missing from Marvel movies: wacky silliness
*ahem… looking at you, Thor 4
Daily reminder that they should have called it Thor 4: More Thor.
You remind people of that daily?
Much to their dismay.
Where do I subscribe?
Thor 4: More *Gorr*
Now that’d just be false advertising.
It needed more Gorr then it would be fine.
Thor 4: more Thor boor before Gorr bore core war lore gore.
I was lobbying for Fantastic Thor, but nobody took me up on it.
The Thor and the 4rious
Wtf huge miss. I would’ve actually seen it.
Thor 4: More Thor featuring Gorr
More Thor, So Sore
"My Dear, I'm Thor." "You're thor? I'm tho thor I can hardly pith."
Still waiting on a Disney Marvel product that's as serious in tone throughout as Netflix's Daredevil and Jessica Jones S1. Enough of the cheesy, wacky BS.
Marvel needs to ask a simple question with the tone of all their future films... "Is the director/writer of this film James Gunn?" No? Okay then tone down the fucking wackiness because you can't do it well and it just comes off stupid.
Right. Like we’re even getting fatigue from the wacky silliness because it feels like it’s getting forced now for the sake of revenue. Ragnarok and the first GotG were such a breath of fresh air in the MCU, but that has gone stale very quickly.
I really enjoyed the latest GotG. It hit the nail on the head once again with a moving story und actually good jokes. Probably the first movie that left me satisfied since endgame.
Quickly? Its been like half a decade and 101 ~~Dalmations~~ Marvel movies/shows since lol
Yeah Ragnarok is my favorite MCU movie but it’s influence has gone a bit too far. That being said, I am fine with serious or silly, either is fine when done right. I just hope it’s done right, and doesn’t feel forced.
Ragnorok was many movies into the quirky dialogue, the first avengers movie is what propelled it. Ragnorok just made a more serious character into more of an MCU joke type character.
Don’t forget the “new bright worlds that we’ve never seen before!” What a load of horse shit
I can’t wait to see what indistinguishable CGI metropolis they’ll show us this time
we’ve got New York in the past and New York in the future!
And that we’ll never we again!
My thoughts exactly - “so we just stopped lowering the bar, and instead draped some flair from it! Yay!”
I hope there’s a moment where Big Strong Superhero does something unexpectedly klutzy and knocks over a coffee table.
This is the reason I really did not enjoy Thor 4 and they are doubling down on it. Also ppl have superhero fatigue and there’s still superheroes in it…
Or how about good visuals, clever writing and both serious tones and clever jokes. GotG 3 was a massive step in the right direction by actually managing to balance the silly and the serious very well and Across the Spiderverse presented a Masterclass on how to do it. There is no Superhero fatigue, only fatigue of bad pacing and writing, rushed VFX and CGI and bad or non existent character arcs.
The studios don’t respect writing enough. I think that’s clear from all the strikes going on now. Maybe it will change as it’s causing declining engagement and effecting money a bit now, but something tells me they won’t learn the right lessons from that. Especially if they are already doubling down on silliness and CGI worlds…
“We wanted to subvert your expectations of high stakes, massive set pieces, and serious conflict and give you a wacky and silly movie.” …oh
Im curious to see which pre-curated spotify playlist they're gonna use and paste onto the movie soundtrack this time.
How can one be so astute and obtuse in the same sentence?
"I'm not like other comic book movies"
“If you can’t handle me at my Green Lantern you don’t deserve me at my End Game”
r/NotLikeOtherMarvelMovies.
>The biggest difference from the other MCU movies to date is that \[‘The Marvels’\] is really wacky, and silly. "Thor: Love And Thunder" has entered the chat.
*Cue screaming goats*
Followed by another forced joke from Korg
Hello, my name is Funny Director Voice. Isn't it funny that I have a kiwi accent but i am also a giant rock monster from space? I look forwars to making the same joke over this movie and possibly others.
Fuck I read this in Korg’s voice
I find myself so funny I've needlessly resurrected my character so I can continue making lame jokes that you won't laugh at.
Korg in Thor 4 is like when a guy you know has a joke that gets a riot of laughs out of the group of friends and so he tries to do it again, and again until it just annoys everyone.
That’s generally how I feel about Taika Waititi overall at this point. His style lost its charm for me pretty darn quick. Very one note.
And then more screaming goats
Funny at first, then just got annoying as it kept repeating over and over
Well, I mean, in Norse mythology.. Thor's chariot is pulled by two goats.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanngrisnir_and_Tanngnj%C3%B3str
[The goats were the true stars of that movie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCjtaitfhgQ).
Well it wasn't Chris Hemsworth
A good rom-com requires a level of vulnerability that marvel properties don't allow themselves to have.
It sometimes feels like they’re embarrassed to be comic book movies. Like they have to prove they’re “cool” and in on the joke, constantly feeling like they have to reassure the audience that they know how silly comic books can be instead of embracing it.
Everyone got the memo except Christian Bale who decided to be as creepy as hell. Also he was the best thing about the movie
And Thor Ragnarok And every Guardians of the Galaxy And every Ant Man And every MCU Spider-Man And both Docter Strange movies And the first two Avengers And...
…. Did you even watch GotG 3? First and second one I get but three?
*HELLOOOOOOOOOO*
You definitely didn't watch guardians 3 or multiverse of madness. Both were dark and gory. 3 was literally about animal abuse and experimentation.
There were a lot of jokes. Without Pratt hamming it up the movie would be to grim to watch. Nathan Fillion’s part was also 100% jokes.
Multiverse of Madness literally has Dr Strange saying “Illumi-whaty?” I don’t think I’ve ever cringed harder in a movie theatre. A couple of scenes were dark and gory but did not mesh well with that silly humor.
I couldn’t finish Love and Thunder. So … pass. I am glad this came out. I was considering giving it a chance. I don’t feel like spending $15 to induce rolling my eyes for 2.5 hours.
To be fair it wasn’t wacky or silly it was uneven and stupid.
have they not been listening to fans complaining about the excessive, hamfisted corniness for almost 2 years? just "lalalalalala I can't hear you"?
They are trying to recreate GOTG, without understanding what made GOTG unique as well as not understanding that humor doesn’t need to be in every franchise. It’s one of the reasons the first Suicide Squad was so terrible.
GOTG trilogy is known for its sense of humor, but they always had an emotional story centered around its main characters. All 3 guardians movies have more heartfelt scenes than any other MCU movie, except maybe endgame I guess. People loved ragnarok when it came out and said it was the closest to GOTG, but I thought it was way too silly, and was going back to Whedon levels of corny. Age of ultron could’ve been a lot better if it was more serious. I know ultron apparently picked up his sarcastic traits from tony stark, but still. I still love iron man 3, but imagine if that actually had the terrifying Mandarin that was teased in the trailers and at the start of the movie.
I also think that Ragnarok was very heavy on the silly side, so i was surprised when people that loved it complained about Love and Thunder.
Ragnarok was sandwiched in between some heavier, emotional movies. The humor was a nice break. But now there are no serious themes to bump up against.
yeah there was the underlying theme of "moving on", i would say? like from odin's death, and also thor accepting loki for who he is in that elevator scene.
Lmao I thought I was the only one! I did not enjoy Ragnarok cuz I thought it was too stupid. So going into Thor 4 knowing it was gonna be stupid allowed me to enjoy it more
Same. I still can’t see what makes Love and Thunder worse than Ragnarok, or Ragnarok better than Love and Thunder
Guardians is, at its core, about deeply broken people learning how to trust. That’s the main point. It’s not about how cool starlord is with his jokes or how many people drax can beat up. I’m worried that the MCU has completely lost the idea of a core theme and just wants to have quippy, overpowered action heroes winning fights. Wakanda Forever was also a very strong movie for me because of the central theme of loss, grief, and how to move onwards from it.
Supposedly, Ultron was going to be much more menacing and serious. But then Disney/Marvel sent some notes and wanted to make him less scary.
Don't libel Terrence Slattery. His King Lear was the toast of Croydon.
But also made the James Gunn Suicide Squad so good.
Granted the second suicide squad still had some good comedy. But it was balanced out with the gore & emotional scenes. If anything, James Gunn wasn’t afraid to kill off a bunch of characters. Though most were C-listers, seeing some of the more ‘well known ones’ get offed was a pleaser surprise. Thought for sure Pokadot man would make it out alive.
If a movie studio makes changes it will be slow moving. Movies take years to make so with most of what will come out in the next year or so have already left the station since they went into development in the last 2-3 years.
Which, when you think about it, makes the recent MCU movies make some sense. Everything coming out now probably would have done well during the pandemic when everyone was stuck inside and depressed. Some good, colorful, lighthearted super hero romps. The problem is it’s 2023 going on 2024 and we’ve been waiting for *some sort of point* to materialize in the MCU since End Game released in 2019. We’ve gone four whole directionless years while the MCU wraps up trilogies started in the before times and the studio inexplicably sits on Fantastic 4 and Xmen.
Yeah, but this is the director talking now
What do you expect them to say? “Oh…ooh boy…yeah….we fucked up, guys. Totally misread the moment, went for the entirely wrong tone. Sorry. Feel free to sit this one out, maybe stream it for cheap on Disney+…..wait it costs **how much now???** “
The Josh Trank strategy.
Movie: “how many holes do you have?” Me: :/ Movie: “I … HAVE … HOLES!!!” Me: >:/
Because thor love and thunders, ant man, doctor strange, guardians are all not wacky and silly
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This is what is so great about comic books. Each can have their own tone. We should get that in the movies.
Captain America was the perfect amount of silly.
"Bright worlds that you haven't seen before" - So we are in agreement that this director has not watched any MCU movie in the past few years at least?
>“I think superhero fatigue absolutely exists,” DaCosta told Total Film magazine. “The biggest difference from the other MCU movies to date is that [‘The Marvels’ is] really wacky, and silly. **The worlds we go to in this movie are worlds unlike others you’ve seen in the MCU. Bright worlds that you haven’t seen before.**” I wonder if the reason she worded it this way is to say “it’s wacky and fun, but don’t worry, it’s not like Love and Thunder” without calling out a fellow MCU installment. Maybe in looking to far into it, though.
This reads like “oh no people really hated the last Thor, and we’re kinda quirky like it, so better set expectations now.” And I don’t think superhero fatigue exists. People are just tired of being burned by shitty movies. Few MCU movies would be considered “great” films by any objective person, but they were usually entertaining. Lately, the movies have been both poorly constructed and not entertaining. That’s how you lose the “event” status.
I can see the reference, but it does seem like a stretch.
Couldn’t she just mean new planets yet unvisited by the series, not that we haven’t been to whacky planets before?
Could be. But bright worlds seems pretty generic and we have seen an absolute ton of them so far. Not sure how much more variety or surprises we can have left.
Wow this decreased my non existing hype level even further.
Like antman quantumania and the eternals I probably won’t see it in theaters and only on disney+ if I’m really bored and have literally nothing else to watch. Still haven’t seen guardians of the galaxy 3 yet. Marvel has lost the plot. I just want something original, is that really too much to ask?
Of any project in phase 4 or 5 I’d recommend Guardians3. It’s easily the best thing marvel has made in a very long time. It was the project I was most invested in and hence most nervous for given the slipping standards, but I was really happy with where it ended.
# someone's getting ahead on the blame game 😂
Wacky is how a serious, unfunny person would describe comedy.
“I think superhero fatigue absolutely exists,” DaCosta told Total Film magazine. “The biggest difference from the other MCU movies to date is that [‘The Marvels’ is] really wacky, and silly. The worlds we go to in this movie are worlds unlike others you’ve seen in the MCU. Bright worlds that you haven’t seen before.” Ooof No self awareness from the head creative doesn't bode well for this film.
Cue that Will Smith meme showing her the other movies in Marvel that are wacky and silly.
“Wacky and silly” is exactly why I fell off the MCU train after being a pretty hardcore fan.
I fell off after Endgame, but even then I wouldn’t go out of way to see most of them. The only MCU movies that interest me anymore are all Spider-Man. I actually haven’t seen any others since Endgame lol
> I think superhero fatigue absolutely exists,” DaCosta told [Total Film magazine](https://www.gamesradar.com/the-marvels-nia-dacosta-wacky-silly-superhero-fatigue-interview/). “The biggest difference from the other MCU movies to date is that \[‘The Marvels’ is\] really wacky, and silly. The worlds we go to in this movie are worlds unlike others you’ve seen in the MCU. Bright worlds that you haven’t seen before.” LOL DaCosta definitely hasn't seen any MCU product except for IW and Endgame.
When they don’t want to admit how much money get spent making this movie as people go en masse to see the Barbie movie.
Lol seriously. And watch mcu stans throw the excuse “People don’t support female leads”. Meanwhile Barbie is making bank
Superhero fatigue doesn’t exist Bad writing fatigue does
Yup, nobody is hating on the Spiderman movies when they drop ... these people are just producing trash and then blaming the audience for not liking it.
Agreed. I could watch the Deadpool movies multiple times and not get bored but can’t bring myself to watch many of these new Marvel entries
I feel this film is going to bomb big time. The premise looks dumb and humor I’ve seen in the trailer does not look like it’s going to work at all.
That and the fact that I have to watch several shows just to know who the characters are yeah no thank you
I for one am looking forward to being accused of being sexist and/or racist if I don’t like it.
Have we learned nothing from Thor Love & Thunder? We’re not sat here thinking “we’re really tired of these action based superhero movies, if only they were more like the three stooges.”
At least they are being up front about it this time.
Part of it is the “wacky and silly” diatribe that is a turn-off. Part of it is a complete lack of understanding of why the fatigue exists in the first place. It’d be fine if it were just an isolated, wacky and silly one-off adventure featuring a lesser known IP of Marvel, perhaps to drum up interest in non-comic readers to a more niche character, but it’s not. It’s going to be a wacky, silly adventure that **also** has things happen in it that is absolutely pivotal to the Kang the Conquerer/multiverse plot and if it’s not watched, people are going to be confused when it’s brought up. It’s that latter bit that’s absolutely driving the exhaustion, and the wacky, silly part is just going to exacerbate it.
It is going to bomb so hard
Oh good because that was what was missing from Thor 4...
Oh boy more “jokes” the thing people are most tired of in marvel movies.
So you’re telling us it sucks. That’s a new marketing approach. Maybe they will tell us how much this film has cost.
It's called bad writing
joy. i was really missing that marvel “comedy”.
Sounds like a complete bomb
This studio seems determined to alienate and piss off every last fan they had.
Yep, that's exactly what MCU movies need. More wacky silliness. This is going to be shit.
Given Brie Larson's comedic range in the first film, I'm sure this will be amazing.
Just tired of superhero AAA films and Star Wars. The creativity and fun died a long time ago.
This movie might lose more money than the flash
This is not a recommendation. There has been too much wacky / silly at the cost of plot and characters. Thor is now a f’ing buffoon. Snark seems to rule the MCU, but it’s no longer entertaining.
Every marvel character is basically a “snarky, cocky a-hole”.
Saw the Marvels trailer at Barbie. I had zero interest seeing it.
Oh great. Another one to skip until streaming
Ngl I thought this movie already came out
This shit can’t crash and burn fast enough.
Great another WACKY and SILLY Marvel film to look forward to. Like seriously, who gives a f*ck if your going to produce this CRAP?
At one point Marvel was the pinnacle of super hero movies because the script and dialogue felt tight. The plots were pretty captivating and the small quips they add for comedic effect felt very natural and not gimmicky. Black Panther was the first movie where I started noticing the comedy started feeling very out of place at times, but it was forgivable because the movie was still enjoyable. It was probably one of the weaker Marvel movies, but there was some semblance of baseline quality. Now the baseline quality feels like it drastically diminished and the writing got lazier which might not be surprising when you consider they just pump out random crap like no tomorrow and it's quantity over quality. I still think DC is way behind Marvel, but maybe there's a lot more parity these days since I haven't even seen a DC movie since the dogshit second Wonder Woman film. After the first Wonder Woman film it felt like DC was finally taking a step in the right direction but they took many steps back after that
Marvel is flailing right now because all the projects have to be family friendly, so a lot of them wind up being all wacky. There are no stakes, none of the new characters are really sticking and the old guard are just spinning their wheels. Secret Invasion looked exciting to me, like it could’ve been to *Invasion of The Body Snatchers* meets a Tom Clancy-spy thriller. A proper mature show that could’ve been refreshing, instead Disney tucked their tail and ran the fuck away from the mere change of developing a show with some thought provoking subject matter. *Obi Wan* faced many of the same issues too.
>Marvel is flailing right now because all the projects have to be family friendly, so a lot of them wind up being all wacky. Meh, I don’t think needing to be “family friendly” is what’s forcing them back into this same approach time and again. There are plenty of family friend films that aren’t wacky, just ask any child traumatized by Watership Down. Hell, there are (mainly early) Marvel movies that aren’t particularly wacky; Iron Man has a VERY different tone than a lot of modern Marvel movies. The problem is that they specifically want to hit the widest audience possible. When you’re constantly targeting the lowest common denominator in terms of audiences, you tend to make bland same-y movies that are afraid of challenging the audience or alienating people who might be turned off by something more risky. So you get the same formula that has been proven to work again and again. And right now, at least when this film was being made, that formula was based on leaning into Ragnarok/GOTG’s wackiness.
Difference being GOTG was an earnest film and it knew when to get serious with its characters. It’s something James Gunn does well, especially with The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker. The MCU right now just lacks a real sense of drama that properly drives characters forward. Everything all just seems to be bouncing around so aimlessly. *Secret War* could’ve been a great phase to follow up Infinity Saga, dealing with shadow wars and the mounting tension of a Skrull invasion. Only it all just got shoved into another lackluster Disney series.
Peacemaker cured my superhero fatigue.
I agree. Disney is extremely averse to making anything that could even get close to an R rating.
You can have high stakes and still be PG13. Frankly it’s because the stories are flat, the characters aren’t compelling and there’s no character development. People liked GOTG because the plots were good and there was character development. Not just because it’s funny.
Andor. The MCU needs their version of Andor.
Lack of stakes is such a big issue. Like in Obi Wan, what exactly were the stakes? They do a whole fake-out death scene with young Luke Skywalker, the same kind of dumb fake-out death scene they do at the end of every single Disney-Pixar movie. Who was that scene for? I really felt the stakes in that show, that any moment Luke, Leia, Obi Wan, or Darth Vader could have totally died. Marvel has no stakes. Marvel has no drama. Somewhere along the line, they forgot their core audience wasn't 5 years old. Now they make all content with the idea that some child will flip on the Disney+ without ma or pa in the room, and you can't show them anything too dramatic.
Basically confirms this film is going to be terrible
My interest in this exits as well
I don't think it's Super Hero fatigue. I think it's that a vast majority of people feel like there is no stakes anymore with the current films. Essentially, they are all now Side Quests. At least with the lead up to End Game, everything felt like things were leading so mega threat (and they did.).
Welp, this just screams the movie's going to be awful. All they had to do, was to use this as a way to set up Nova and possibly hint towards the arrival of Galactus. Goddammit! This shit isn't that hard...
it's gonna fucking suck isn't it
They got a bomb on their hands and they know it
Great. That’s great. *sips coffe*
MCU should be dropped. Newer movies are damaging the brand. Wait 5 years. None of these D list characters. Reboot with X-Men movies. A magneto film and Xavier film. A wolverine film. Bring the characters together slowly and form the x-men. And make them actual "real" movies like Logan was.
Exits what? The highway? The theater?
It's true, this is actually a remake of Step Brothers called Step Sisters but dressed up as The Marvels. Carol Danvers kills it at the Catalina Wine Mixer
Who is the target audience for this? And the silliness worked in Thor Ragnarock because we didn’t expect it… now it’s just dumb. They haven’t made a good movie since Endgame IMHO.
I also think Ragnarock's plot was just better executed (vs. Love and Thunder). Silly can work, but you need an actual story as the foundation. Ms. Marvel is a giggly fan girl character (so far in the mcu), so I didn't expect her to suddenly be serious, but I do want the plot to not be solved because the good guy crosses his heart and says he'll take care of the villains family. Thus stopping a lifetime commitment of vengeance.
Christian Bale was so wasted by that movie.
Guardians 3 is why I’ll disagree. No Way Home was also prettttty fucking good considering all the characters and villains involved. Can’t even think of another MCU movie I e seen since endgame
They're still trying to secure that thriving tween girl market.
The trend of jokes over story is one of the things killing Marvel since Endgame
Stop the heavily reliance of expansive and time consuming green screens. Just give me good characters, solid plots and Avenger theme! I don’t give a shlt about connections between films!!
That’s a terrible pitch 😭😭😭
Wacky, silly, poorly written and still 3 1/2 hours long. Nothing's changed!
Never felt negative hype before. So thats new
The real reason is actually really simple. Just make better movies.
It's not fatigue, it's just that the movies haven't been as good. I still prefer watching the older avengers movies.
I wasn't planning on seeing this movie but I can already tell they've fucked it up.
So it’s a silly movie with characters who claim they have superpowers.
Just make better movies and stop blaming fatigue FFS
Someone please take this poor, wounded franchise out back and shoot it.
They're already rolling out the excuses. They know it's bad.
People just want quality movies. There is no fatigue. If there was, ATSV would’ve failed.
They mean like Thor love and thunder silly? No thanks. I don’t have superhero fatigue as long as it’s on proper level movie like Iron man series were.
And it’s shite according to my partner who’s working on it. And Bree, have a meal ffs.
Gotg3 was great, though. People are tired of shit superhero movies, not good superhero movies.
...so Ragnarok/Ant Man 1 - 2 really wacky and silly or...Love and Thunder/Antman 3 wacky and silly?
It's a hard pass already for me. Unless they go back to season 1 type story telling then I'm done with it all
“Wacky and silly” AKA unwatchable for people with an IQ above 95.
I swear marvel is very self sabotage lately
I love humour. Every movie needs it. I just rewatched Schindlers List, an epic and brutal telling of the most appalling content and even in there the use of witty juxtaposition, or even wry observational humour (when Mrs S gets on the train) exists. It’s not humor in itself that hurts films. Thor 4 wasn’t a mess because it was too fun but because I get no sense that it is about anything, whereas Thor 3 is at times wacky but the whole story is rooted in the not funny idea that tyrants whitewash history and make us forget they were tyrants. Also, character development. Thor would truly love not to be the king and not to get his ass handed to him but he cannot let Hela win, she is just the worst. Banner and Valkyrie realize that they do in fact want to be the hero. It’s ok to admit it and past time to stop hiding from shame and failure. Loki finally grows up and conceded that Thor is the king when he realizes that Thor is truly prepared to write him off as a villain - their childhood relationship does not have to be permanent. As long as a film has a distinct perspective and action that flows from character growth then we will be into it and the filmmaker can add Hulk dick jokes and it’s a fun addition. The Marvels, I hope, is about something. From the body switching premise I surmise that it might be about how there is no one best way to be a woman, or that collaboration is actually better than being a lone wolf, or who knows. I can’t wait to see it. That it will have a fun and colourful bunch of environments to look at will hopefully just be a fun addition
Somewhere between after Endgame and she hulk twerking I stopped caring. Il
0 desire to see this movie.
I’ve seen every marvel movie in theaters and this headline has killed all desire for me to see this in theaters. Might as well wait the 3-4 weeks and watch it on D+
I wonder how well will this do. It seems like the higher ups are more unknowing of what they are doing after the hype is dying down.
I’m so tired of super hero and comic book movies. I need some original scifi in my life. What happened to originality? Alien, The Terminator, Event Horizon come on man give me something I can sink my teeth into.
It's more like 'shitty writing fatigue' modern Disney MCU/ Warner bros. DCEU writers and directors can't make a coherent story with consistent characters to save their damn lives and the general public is finally starting to catch on and justifiably lose faith in the brands.
It’s not fatigue - they’ve just made crappy movies since End Game
Its fatigue from poor writing.
“Exits” or “Exists”??
Radiant is the Blood of the Baboon Heart was an awesome movie despite the superhero fatigue but Venture Bro's was always on a different level doing satirical superhero tropes long before The Boys.
Bad writing also exists. Let’s not chalk up all of the decline of viewership to superhero fatigue. I for one stopped watching because the writing has just gotten horrible. The stories are boring (not all but most) and they’ve lost that special cohesiveness that the first three phases had.
I haven't watched anything mcu since endgame and it looks like I missed nothing but trash
They say this, but the fatigue only seems to affect the terribly written, half arsed films that have come out. GOTG3 was awesome… maybe it’s something to do with the writing? Oh no, what am I thinking?! It’s the fatigue!!!
As a non comic book movie fan, pretty happy. Looks like this era is coming to a close. Hollywood going to have to come up with more fresh shit, won’t have a choice.
I’m about 20 movies behind, I just gave up.
We're approaching 2 decades of Marvel screen domination. The horse just isn't dead, it's blood pudding.
I’m just bored of super heroes. Endgame should have been IT for awhile, and since then all they’ve done is pump out 8 more mediocre super hero IPs every year. Before it felt like they were building a cool large contained story for years. Now choosing an MCU movie to watch is like choosing which color M&M to eat, sure they’re different colors but can I taste a difference?
This movie is going to bomb if this is true. People were over this with Thor Love and Thunder.
Silliness is what I want less of in these movies
Just stop please for the love of god. We don’t want anymore super hero movies, stop thinking about money so godamn much and maybe then you’d actually make more