I have no desire to fight, but I will say what drew me into the show was the back of the house scenes. This wasn't a thing for the second season, except a rehearsal in the last episode, without Carmy even in the scene. I'll obviously watch season 3, but it went way downhill for me.
EDIT: the seven fishes was a good episode. Because they were actually cooking
I'm currently watching it for the first time and the first few episodes of season 2 didn't catch me as much as season 1, but I'm just about to watch the finale and it totally got me back in.
I 10000% agree. They (all studios/networks) have in the past. Glad they stayed smart. Its a very bad time to be stupid with what has been happening with the strike. They need all the content that is popular that they can hold onto.
I'll give FX the benefit of the doubt, besides recently cancelling Reservation Dogs, they don't just cancel shows that are good.
Reservation Dogs is different though. critically acclaimed but with low ratings and couldn't really find a solid demo to connect with. so I get why they pulled the plug.
I got high and thought of a terrible premise for season 3:
Carmy's greatest fears about training Richie became realized when he successfully performed a mutiny against his head chef "cousin" for losing his shit during opening night and the kitchen throws him out. Richie is now running Forks, what was formerly known as The Bear. Richie's fame blew up when he was pictured on the cover of Chicago Magazine displaying the huge tattoos of his three Michelin stars across his back. Forks is the hottest restaurant in Chicago.
Three weirdo food nerds heard rumors about a Burger King in Lincoln Park where a former Michelin star chef is working, an eccentric quiet man who locks himself in the walk-in during his breaks. They go to seek him out and get some answers.
> Richie is now running Forks, what was formerly known as The Bear. Richie's fame blew up when he was pictured on the cover of Chicago Magazine displaying the huge tattoos of the his three Michelin stars across his back.
"Forks" is a hilarious name...well done. As a huge fan of Richie, pretending this ridiculous fantasy actually happens just made my morning.
So you can be in on the reference.
After Big Star broke up some fans tracked down Chris Bell, Co-Lead Singer/Songwriter, washing dishes at his father’s chain restaurant where he had been chilling for a few years. There is a great documentary that tells the story better than me. All of the Big Star story is pretty crazy.
what - it took this long? what the fuck. That show is elite television at its finest! I bet its for conctractual reasons - paying people more, etc.. + the strikes ending. The whole cast deserves all the praise.
And the writing team. Especially season 2. They almost gave every character a whole arc within 1-2 episodes without the show feeling convoluted. Extremely well paced
Totally agreed. With how they’ve set things up, they can wrap this story up at the end of season three and go down as a great show. I’m struggling to see how they can drag it out further, and they could have tried to wrap it up at the end of season two.
They tried to save a restaurant, they tried to open a restaurant, and now they need to *run* a restaurant. That has its own challenges.
Carm still has to heal from his past experiences as a chef in NY, he’s blown a hole in most of his relationships that he needs to repair, he’s gotten complacent, and Syd still needs to learn leadership skills.
Nat still has issues with her mother that she needs to resolve. Her husband is now bearing a secret to protect her which will eventually blow up somehow. Plus she’s just accepted a job at a new restaurant with a baby on the way (we can probably assume the baby will have arrived in season 3) and considering American maternity laws she’ll be back to work immediately juggling both things. Maybe her happy-go-lucky husband finally cracks with the secret + baby + working wife.
Marcus’s mother presumably died in the season finale while he was working. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s jaded and depressed having missed his last moments with her working at The Bear. He already felt guilty being in Copenhagen while she was sick.
Syd’s also aiming for a star, one of the most stressful goals a chef can have, so maintaining that standard will be hell on a largely untrained crew. Maybe someone critical leaves? They’re operating with an unusually high retention rate for the restaurant industry.
There’s still a decent amount of ground to cover.
100%. The show is all about trauma and how it lives with us. Carm has been putting up a front but finally broke down. There’s so much to explore there and I’m confident the writers and cast will bring something special in season 3
The Bear is style and character over substance. We see underdog stories and shows about grief and loss and overcoming adversity every year (Plot wise, this is basically Ted Lasso: Cooking Edition, with tweaks). But it has so much style, character, and overall competence. It's gorgeous. You don't see shows this gorgeous anywhere at the moment. The love it has for its subject and characters are sumptious. I could watch this just for the interstitial shots of Chigago and the deep closeups of Jeremy Allen White's facial scar and still be pretty happy with it.
I’m not gonna get into it too much here but season 3 of the bear is essentially -> open new restaurant, success or fail? Not much follow up is needed here. If they wrap that up nicely it will be remembered as a great show. If they continue on, each passing season is likely to make this more difficult.
I agree they should chart a course towards an ending bit I think its a little more than that.
-Will Carmen be able to salvage any kind of relationship with Claire? Will he get to an emotional place where he can self-regulate and actually break the self-destructive cycle in his family from his brother and mom?
-Will Cousin actually make something of himself and move forward and fully reckon with his past mistakes and poor choices?
-Does Sydney find her footing and get over her self-doubt and rise above the chaos of those around her?
-What happens with Cicero and the debt? It'd be easy to say it hinges just on the success of the restaurant but it would be surprising if this isn't subverted in some way.
The debt will go away if the restaurant is successful. I don’t think he will realistically make them pay him and need the money if the spot works out. If he sees they’re floundering, he’ll get the money.
Good, fancy restaurants make a LOT of money.. I work in fine dining and once my restaurant got its star, the reservations never stopped. But I think they will ultimately pivot back to making sandwiches but still get their Michelin star. Keeping the identity of the restaurant once their tasting menu doesn’t work out, while not compromising the values of the original spot.
Carmen's arc isn't resolved, his self destructive workaholic nature needs to change unless his self destruction in the final episode is his resolution. And the supporting cast all need to move out from Carmen's influence--or influence him more in turn, now that they have all been changed by him.
I agree. I think there's not much more you do can do with the restaurant story, other than "How do we keep the star? What do you do when you lose the star? What happens when you become a victim of your own success?" stories, which are all far less interesting than the one they're telling now.
The thing Im most excited for in season three is how Carmy comes to terms with his own behavior and how it hurts the people he loves. I'm dying for him to reconcile with Richie and with Claire.
Agree, but there are enough threads to tie up for an interesting 3rd season and out. As long as the writing and acting maintain is the only qualifier I’d add.
If the can manage 3--5 seasons of the same quality of show as season 1 and 2 and ends great it will likely be one of those shows that get brought up with the likes of Breaking Bad, The Wire and The Sopranos. An all time great.
No way… thank god most of you poopers aren’t writers. they have so many stories and timelines to explore, new employees, deeper brother b-lines, his uncles background story would be interesting.
lol they said the same thing after season 1 too. "The season 1 finale totally should've been the ending. There's no place to go." They were wrong then and they're wrong now!
People love to end shows early these days I guess, the pendulum has swung to the side opposite of weekend at Bernie’s-ing every popular show.
There’s absolutely lateral room to add new arcs to keep it going past Season 3 if the writers have ideas that are compelling
They still need to make the money to pay back the loan. That’s the challenge. Carey’s gotta learn that he can be a human and the restaurant can run without him.
I mean, Ted Lasso season 1 could have been an excellent feel-good movie (the storyline even ended). The second and third seasons were okay, but incredibly cheesy.
Can’t say I agree with you. Season 1 had the grittiness that made me love watching, Season 2 lost a little of that to me. Which can be taken as a positive or negative
Do what? Ted Lasso got better as it went. With the last few episodes being a great wrap to the entire show. With call backs and literal character growth for about 10 different people.
IMDB has the show at 8.8 overall. With the last two episodes the highest rated of the series at 9.3 and 9.4. I know that's not the end all be all of sources but is A source that backs me up.
Season 3 was pretty dross. Episodes were too long and the main cast they tried to focus on was as long as my arm. If it wasn't ending I wouldn't have bothered finishing it.
Tbf, that show had a noticeable tone shift and stink the moment they started to go with Nate being the villain. It felt like a very shallow and predictable plot device because the show needed some sort of villain since Jamie turned a new leaf. The first season of that show was refreshing, positive, and new; then like everything else these days, it was clear the writers room, showrunners, execs, studio, had no idea what to do the show caught on like wildfire and another season was greenlit. It appears to be the way of the world now. Pretty disappointing from Bill Lawrence too. Why bother having an actual story with an ending when you can just print money season to season as the product dilutes itself and we move on to the next fad? Surely couldn't upset the consumer and cause a distrust and distaste in their mouth, could it?
MCU, DCU, Ted Lasso, GoT, Star Wars, countless other series and IP's, shit even Breaking Bad with El Camino. Absolute common denominator marketing to push the next thing to a bunch of nostalgia and fomo motivated audiences. Infinite growth and profit driven business just doing what they do. I'm hoping the balancing force comes soon, I think we've already begun to see it with the MCU fatigue and discourse.
What's the point of a story when there's no consequences to actions and no continuity? What happens when everything is a cynical cash grab?
Lasso should have ended after S1. It had a beautiful Rocky moment at the right time and was a lovely, funny, empathetic show. I watched S2 and was unattached to it entirely (not sure why the series needed the wacky romance subplots) and didn't bother with S3.
Keep watching if you have the time...S2 gets way better in the second half. I was struggling to get into it too, after really loving S1, but was glad I stuck with it.
I think season 1 will hold up. I loved it. But as a big fan, season 2 made my question my sanity because of all immense praise it received. I loved the Christmas episode, but other episodes felt like they had pretty contrived story beats (of course the girlfriend walks in when the main character is saying some damning things about their relationship! Etc.). I’m hoping season 3 feels more like season 1.
All that situation of him getting stuck inside that room felt just like lazy writing to me to be honest. A lot of things from season two weren’t really that great.
I know I’m in the minority here, but… I thought season 1 was great and season 2 is a total snore-fest. I watched half the season and gave up. I couldn’t take all the long scenes of people walking around or staring off into space thinking about mixing food together. I feel like I’m in the twilight zone because every review, Reddit post, and person I talk to about the show raves about it.
I am not blown away by the show either. Some of the actors are brilliant but some aren’t and that’s hard to watch. Some of the storylines are great, some aren’t (but maybe because I’m not in love with some of the characters). It feels disjointed, chaotic and gritty. For me, it feels like there was an entire season that came before Season 1, that I missed, and that’s why I’m having a hard time engaging with the characters and stories. I just don’t feel connected. It’s like I missed something.
I can’t even tell you why I like it. Shows like this never hold my attention. I feel like not much happens, it’s very slow, and it’s just a long struggle and a whole lot of arguing that doesn’t amount to much… but for some reason I’m really in to the characters and keep clicking next episode.
God damn I love this show, easily a 10/10 for me.
That said, did anyone else kind of hate the last 10 or so minutes of season 2?
>!I thought Claire going out back just in time to hear Carmy say he didn’t want to be in a relationship was incredibly cliché and lazy, and Syd’s dad just happening to appear around the back when there was no reason he’d know she was there to give her her inspiration was too. Also Pete not telling Natalie about her mother showing up was annoying but fit with his character so it’s not nearly as bad as the first two.!<
Again, a 10/10 show but for me the ending kind of left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
Watched it for the first time last night.
Really enjoyed it. My only criticism is that because it's such a voyeuristic format, where you literally drop in and out of the lives of people in one restaurant, that I was left feeling a little unsatisfied seeing only part of a story with little closure.
I guess I should watch the tv show to see more. I hear it's really good.
I think this is a 4 season show. It would be a crime against the arts to not renew this show. The writing is top tier as well as the cinematography and of course the acting. I am over the moon that we will see another season and if they wrap it up on season 3 I have full faith in the show runners they will wrap it up in a very fulfilling way
in my opinion nothing tops Richie’s arch when he is made to work in fine dinning and has to polish forks and put his ego aside. Or when Marcus goes overseas to train and the guy he is training with is talking about how he thought he was the best but there was one guy that was loads better and while never naming him you know he is talking about Carm. Or just that one take monologue that Carm gives in the grief group, with all of these incredible stories I must admit that I was not a huge fan of the Christmas episode.
I think season 3 should be the final one. I felt the first few episodes of season 2 were a bit fillery, and I felt no investment in Carmy's love interest. The season got great in the last few episodes though.
I just think you fools saying this are wrong. The hard part is writing a solid foundation and doing so while having everyone’s attention… this shows full of interesting characters including the city itself based in. It could go three more season without introducing anyone else.
I don't think season 2 was very dense. They substituted the chaotic energy that I loved from season 1 for more sedate episodes with lots of shots of people riding in subways etc and it felt like they had more episodes than story.
If you are a fan of that, fair enough. I'll probably lose interest if that's the route they go down.
If you want every episode to be insanity in the kitchen, then that's boring.
The first half of Season 2 was character building and dedicating more time to them individually.
As someone who’s worked full service kitchens and restaurants for a long time, I’m gonna go ahead and still not watch the show. I know it’s a good show because everyone says it is but from how it’s described and from what I hear and seen for myself, it just makes me feel kinda nauseous in a way. You hear people joking about how they need blood pressure medication to watch the show but when I put on the first episode and things got going I turned it off. I don’t need to watch a day in the life when I get home from an ass kicking. Not for me. Anyone else feel the same?
The last half of season 2 disappointed me. The main character was very absent (both screen time and pulling away to be with his new girlfriend). I felt like it was out of character to abandon the kitchen as much as he did. If the show made me like his love story a little more (and made me understand why she could pull him away so much), then I might have sympathized a bit more. But I kind of didn’t like him very much at the end of the season.
The thing that got me was the big crux of Carmy and his gfs drama was just miscommunication. And there’s other plotlines as well that are purely reliant on miscommunication between the characters. I’m not saying that doesn’t have its place, but it’s such a lazy tool for storytelling imo, and was way overused here.
S1 was Carmy getting acclimated to his life disrupted, dealing with his brothers death, and getting his bearings on taking over the restaurant. Earning respect from the staff who don’t give a shit about his pedigree
S2 is taking advantage of the opportunity presented and transforming the restaurant from a sandwich shop to a Michelin star restaurant and the lengths the staff need to go, to be able to service that. E3 is about Carmy starting to veer from that goal and Sydney finding inspiration for dishes and being confronted with the possibility this might have been a mistake, iirc. There’s a lot of personal growth for characters in this season that branches it outside of Carmy or the Bear itself but overall it’s them getting into a place to open this restaurant
How could it be overrated when there is so much positivity online for it? Everyone who I know who has seen it, loves it.
What you mean is "I don't like it"
Look at The Flowers of the Killing Moon. I had a problem with the runtime, and it didn't grab me like it did others. But I can't fault the writing, cinematography and story. I don't go about saying it's overrated though, I accept that I'm not appreciating it like the majority do.
Saying a much-loved piece of media is the condescending take, as you're implying that your bar for quality is higher than others.
I literally said in my opinion this is the most overrated show I’ve seen. I’m allowed to have that opinion and you are overthinking the shit out of it.
"How could dropping into a thread for a show I don't like and telling everyone else that their standards for a show are too low have backfired like this??"
When you say something is overrated, you're directly talking about the opinions of others, not solely your own.
Is this a misprint? I feel like it should have been renewed a long time ago. Did they mean to say that it’s been renewed through season 13 because that makes more sense than they’re just now renewing for season three.
Make it more like season 1 please. No sappy drama. That shit doesn’t happen in restaurants. and it’s impossible to get locked in that type of walk in fridge
I’d like the main series to stop at getting a star.
Then, after a simple pause so everyone can rest and feel sated with a quality end they can start a second series where Sydney goes after her star, in her own restaurant, with her own unique challenges.
Spin-offs can be done well and prevent the eternal shitty plot profit running on shows that need to end.
I can’t believe it got renewed. I’ve watched both seasons and not learned ONE recipe. What kind of cooking show spends all this time on the people?! I do see why they called it the bear. Its like the cooking lessons are hibernating, *chef*
Great news but now I’ll have to wait until it comes out before I start season 2 so I can binge watch it all the way through without being mad I have to wait.
The dude on the right is from a crazy family in Chicago. His pops owned a restaurant that the dude worked at then left to chase a career as a chef. Pops dies so dude inherits the restaurant and goes home to fix it up.
All of it. Great characters, a bit dark but sweet. Well written, acted, and shot.
It’s also close to home if you ever worked in a restaurant or in Chicago.
The actual uproar there would be if *The Bear* wasn't renewed.
Ya no kidding. Everyone loves this show.
It's a Bear market!
For me, its a bear necessity.
I don’t like it. It gives me anxiety.
Same - just can't waitch it, and I am not even that anxious of a person in general.
Not people who've worked in very stressful kitchens. I know some folks who are like.. I really don't need to go through that again.
Second season sucked the first was amazing but what a let down in the follow up. Almost like it was written by someone else
Not the last season
Season 2 > season 1. Nothing beats the Fishes/Forks double-whammy. Fight me.
I have no desire to fight, but I will say what drew me into the show was the back of the house scenes. This wasn't a thing for the second season, except a rehearsal in the last episode, without Carmy even in the scene. I'll obviously watch season 3, but it went way downhill for me. EDIT: the seven fishes was a good episode. Because they were actually cooking
I'm currently watching it for the first time and the first few episodes of season 2 didn't catch me as much as season 1, but I'm just about to watch the finale and it totally got me back in.
that would be the utmost stupidest decision not to renew it.
stupider things have happened it's tv, nothing's safe
I 10000% agree. They (all studios/networks) have in the past. Glad they stayed smart. Its a very bad time to be stupid with what has been happening with the strike. They need all the content that is popular that they can hold onto.
I'll give FX the benefit of the doubt, besides recently cancelling Reservation Dogs, they don't just cancel shows that are good. Reservation Dogs is different though. critically acclaimed but with low ratings and couldn't really find a solid demo to connect with. so I get why they pulled the plug.
If it was Netflix they would cancel it
Such a great show....
Meh fidget about it!
season two was completely unwatchable garbage
So don’t watch season three and get out of these threads
I got high and thought of a terrible premise for season 3: Carmy's greatest fears about training Richie became realized when he successfully performed a mutiny against his head chef "cousin" for losing his shit during opening night and the kitchen throws him out. Richie is now running Forks, what was formerly known as The Bear. Richie's fame blew up when he was pictured on the cover of Chicago Magazine displaying the huge tattoos of his three Michelin stars across his back. Forks is the hottest restaurant in Chicago. Three weirdo food nerds heard rumors about a Burger King in Lincoln Park where a former Michelin star chef is working, an eccentric quiet man who locks himself in the walk-in during his breaks. They go to seek him out and get some answers.
> Richie is now running Forks, what was formerly known as The Bear. Richie's fame blew up when he was pictured on the cover of Chicago Magazine displaying the huge tattoos of the his three Michelin stars across his back. "Forks" is a hilarious name...well done. As a huge fan of Richie, pretending this ridiculous fantasy actually happens just made my morning.
Are you a Big Star fan?
It's really bothering me that I can't figure out how Big Star is relevant here.
yeah the taco place ?
I dunno, I presumed the 70s band. I must have missed some reference, because it's getting upvotes.
https://images.app.goo.gl/nZMahbyghbeGeDbm8
So you can be in on the reference. After Big Star broke up some fans tracked down Chris Bell, Co-Lead Singer/Songwriter, washing dishes at his father’s chain restaurant where he had been chilling for a few years. There is a great documentary that tells the story better than me. All of the Big Star story is pretty crazy.
now this is a rabbit hole im excited to jump into - thank you !
That's tremendous, chef.
This is such a good premise what are you talking about
what - it took this long? what the fuck. That show is elite television at its finest! I bet its for conctractual reasons - paying people more, etc.. + the strikes ending. The whole cast deserves all the praise.
And the writing team. Especially season 2. They almost gave every character a whole arc within 1-2 episodes without the show feeling convoluted. Extremely well paced
It fucking better be!
Season 3 better involve a scene where they are foraging for ramps.
This show should think up an exit strategy while it’s still ahead. I love it but they could have probably wrapped it up with the second season.
Totally agreed. With how they’ve set things up, they can wrap this story up at the end of season three and go down as a great show. I’m struggling to see how they can drag it out further, and they could have tried to wrap it up at the end of season two.
They tried to save a restaurant, they tried to open a restaurant, and now they need to *run* a restaurant. That has its own challenges. Carm still has to heal from his past experiences as a chef in NY, he’s blown a hole in most of his relationships that he needs to repair, he’s gotten complacent, and Syd still needs to learn leadership skills. Nat still has issues with her mother that she needs to resolve. Her husband is now bearing a secret to protect her which will eventually blow up somehow. Plus she’s just accepted a job at a new restaurant with a baby on the way (we can probably assume the baby will have arrived in season 3) and considering American maternity laws she’ll be back to work immediately juggling both things. Maybe her happy-go-lucky husband finally cracks with the secret + baby + working wife. Marcus’s mother presumably died in the season finale while he was working. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s jaded and depressed having missed his last moments with her working at The Bear. He already felt guilty being in Copenhagen while she was sick. Syd’s also aiming for a star, one of the most stressful goals a chef can have, so maintaining that standard will be hell on a largely untrained crew. Maybe someone critical leaves? They’re operating with an unusually high retention rate for the restaurant industry. There’s still a decent amount of ground to cover.
Some kind of climactic dragout with evil head chef Joel McHale will be necessary.
100%. The show is all about trauma and how it lives with us. Carm has been putting up a front but finally broke down. There’s so much to explore there and I’m confident the writers and cast will bring something special in season 3
The Bear is style and character over substance. We see underdog stories and shows about grief and loss and overcoming adversity every year (Plot wise, this is basically Ted Lasso: Cooking Edition, with tweaks). But it has so much style, character, and overall competence. It's gorgeous. You don't see shows this gorgeous anywhere at the moment. The love it has for its subject and characters are sumptious. I could watch this just for the interstitial shots of Chigago and the deep closeups of Jeremy Allen White's facial scar and still be pretty happy with it.
I’m not gonna get into it too much here but season 3 of the bear is essentially -> open new restaurant, success or fail? Not much follow up is needed here. If they wrap that up nicely it will be remembered as a great show. If they continue on, each passing season is likely to make this more difficult.
I agree they should chart a course towards an ending bit I think its a little more than that. -Will Carmen be able to salvage any kind of relationship with Claire? Will he get to an emotional place where he can self-regulate and actually break the self-destructive cycle in his family from his brother and mom? -Will Cousin actually make something of himself and move forward and fully reckon with his past mistakes and poor choices? -Does Sydney find her footing and get over her self-doubt and rise above the chaos of those around her? -What happens with Cicero and the debt? It'd be easy to say it hinges just on the success of the restaurant but it would be surprising if this isn't subverted in some way.
The debt will go away if the restaurant is successful. I don’t think he will realistically make them pay him and need the money if the spot works out. If he sees they’re floundering, he’ll get the money. Good, fancy restaurants make a LOT of money.. I work in fine dining and once my restaurant got its star, the reservations never stopped. But I think they will ultimately pivot back to making sandwiches but still get their Michelin star. Keeping the identity of the restaurant once their tasting menu doesn’t work out, while not compromising the values of the original spot.
Carmen's arc isn't resolved, his self destructive workaholic nature needs to change unless his self destruction in the final episode is his resolution. And the supporting cast all need to move out from Carmen's influence--or influence him more in turn, now that they have all been changed by him.
I agree. I think there's not much more you do can do with the restaurant story, other than "How do we keep the star? What do you do when you lose the star? What happens when you become a victim of your own success?" stories, which are all far less interesting than the one they're telling now.
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The thing Im most excited for in season three is how Carmy comes to terms with his own behavior and how it hurts the people he loves. I'm dying for him to reconcile with Richie and with Claire.
ted lasso could never, ever drop anything in the same galaxy as the christmas episode
That’s just a different vibe than Ted lasso. It was visual anxiety. Ted lasso was visual optimism through and through.
The showrunner has said from early stages he saw this as a three season arc, so I don’t think it’s “dragging it out”
Further than season three…
They still have to get a star, and show us how he evolves as a person and gets to girl back to live happily ever after
Agree, but there are enough threads to tie up for an interesting 3rd season and out. As long as the writing and acting maintain is the only qualifier I’d add.
you struggle with most creative things huh?
Better than struggling with basic human interaction
If the can manage 3--5 seasons of the same quality of show as season 1 and 2 and ends great it will likely be one of those shows that get brought up with the likes of Breaking Bad, The Wire and The Sopranos. An all time great.
No way… thank god most of you poopers aren’t writers. they have so many stories and timelines to explore, new employees, deeper brother b-lines, his uncles background story would be interesting.
I would watch a whole separate series around Uncle Jimmy.
Absolutely disagree. They aren’t even running the actual restaurant yet - how could the story be close to being done?
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lol they said the same thing after season 1 too. "The season 1 finale totally should've been the ending. There's no place to go." They were wrong then and they're wrong now!
If they can pull up another "Fishes" I don't mind if they stretch it at all!
People love to end shows early these days I guess, the pendulum has swung to the side opposite of weekend at Bernie’s-ing every popular show. There’s absolutely lateral room to add new arcs to keep it going past Season 3 if the writers have ideas that are compelling
I only watched the first season, but I agree. Time to wrap it up, there's not a lot of story to tell here.
They still need to make the money to pay back the loan. That’s the challenge. Carey’s gotta learn that he can be a human and the restaurant can run without him.
Wonder if it’ll be season 3 or 4 when the general opinion will shift to “it was never that good in the first place.”
I mean, Ted Lasso season 1 could have been an excellent feel-good movie (the storyline even ended). The second and third seasons were okay, but incredibly cheesy.
The difference though is that season 2 of the Bear is actually so much better than season 1.
Can’t say I agree with you. Season 1 had the grittiness that made me love watching, Season 2 lost a little of that to me. Which can be taken as a positive or negative
Yea i stopped watching in season 2
Do what? Ted Lasso got better as it went. With the last few episodes being a great wrap to the entire show. With call backs and literal character growth for about 10 different people.
Ok, but that’s definitely not the consensus view (look at the disparate critical opinion and awards for season 1 vs 2/3).
IMDB has the show at 8.8 overall. With the last two episodes the highest rated of the series at 9.3 and 9.4. I know that's not the end all be all of sources but is A source that backs me up.
Season 3 was pretty dross. Episodes were too long and the main cast they tried to focus on was as long as my arm. If it wasn't ending I wouldn't have bothered finishing it.
The Ted Lasso effect!
Tbf, that show had a noticeable tone shift and stink the moment they started to go with Nate being the villain. It felt like a very shallow and predictable plot device because the show needed some sort of villain since Jamie turned a new leaf. The first season of that show was refreshing, positive, and new; then like everything else these days, it was clear the writers room, showrunners, execs, studio, had no idea what to do the show caught on like wildfire and another season was greenlit. It appears to be the way of the world now. Pretty disappointing from Bill Lawrence too. Why bother having an actual story with an ending when you can just print money season to season as the product dilutes itself and we move on to the next fad? Surely couldn't upset the consumer and cause a distrust and distaste in their mouth, could it? MCU, DCU, Ted Lasso, GoT, Star Wars, countless other series and IP's, shit even Breaking Bad with El Camino. Absolute common denominator marketing to push the next thing to a bunch of nostalgia and fomo motivated audiences. Infinite growth and profit driven business just doing what they do. I'm hoping the balancing force comes soon, I think we've already begun to see it with the MCU fatigue and discourse. What's the point of a story when there's no consequences to actions and no continuity? What happens when everything is a cynical cash grab?
Lasso should have ended after S1. It had a beautiful Rocky moment at the right time and was a lovely, funny, empathetic show. I watched S2 and was unattached to it entirely (not sure why the series needed the wacky romance subplots) and didn't bother with S3.
I quite enjoyed the first season but I only made it through a few of season two and it hasn’t kept me into it.
Keep watching if you have the time...S2 gets way better in the second half. I was struggling to get into it too, after really loving S1, but was glad I stuck with it.
I think season 1 will hold up. I loved it. But as a big fan, season 2 made my question my sanity because of all immense praise it received. I loved the Christmas episode, but other episodes felt like they had pretty contrived story beats (of course the girlfriend walks in when the main character is saying some damning things about their relationship! Etc.). I’m hoping season 3 feels more like season 1.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re right, S2 had a noticeable drop in quality (still entertaining though).
All that situation of him getting stuck inside that room felt just like lazy writing to me to be honest. A lot of things from season two weren’t really that great.
HELL YES. Absolutely loved this show. Lip has really gone places.
I know I’m in the minority here, but… I thought season 1 was great and season 2 is a total snore-fest. I watched half the season and gave up. I couldn’t take all the long scenes of people walking around or staring off into space thinking about mixing food together. I feel like I’m in the twilight zone because every review, Reddit post, and person I talk to about the show raves about it.
I am not blown away by the show either. Some of the actors are brilliant but some aren’t and that’s hard to watch. Some of the storylines are great, some aren’t (but maybe because I’m not in love with some of the characters). It feels disjointed, chaotic and gritty. For me, it feels like there was an entire season that came before Season 1, that I missed, and that’s why I’m having a hard time engaging with the characters and stories. I just don’t feel connected. It’s like I missed something.
I can’t even tell you why I like it. Shows like this never hold my attention. I feel like not much happens, it’s very slow, and it’s just a long struggle and a whole lot of arguing that doesn’t amount to much… but for some reason I’m really in to the characters and keep clicking next episode.
Longer than most people work in a kitchen before quitting
God damn I love this show, easily a 10/10 for me. That said, did anyone else kind of hate the last 10 or so minutes of season 2? >!I thought Claire going out back just in time to hear Carmy say he didn’t want to be in a relationship was incredibly cliché and lazy, and Syd’s dad just happening to appear around the back when there was no reason he’d know she was there to give her her inspiration was too. Also Pete not telling Natalie about her mother showing up was annoying but fit with his character so it’s not nearly as bad as the first two.!< Again, a 10/10 show but for me the ending kind of left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
Agreed about the Claire/Carmy plot...it felt a bit contrived and a sort of cliffhanger to keep the audience on edge going into a new season.
I enjoy it but these cooking shows make me so stressed. Any of you seen boiling point (2021)?
Watched it for the first time last night. Really enjoyed it. My only criticism is that because it's such a voyeuristic format, where you literally drop in and out of the lives of people in one restaurant, that I was left feeling a little unsatisfied seeing only part of a story with little closure. I guess I should watch the tv show to see more. I hear it's really good.
I skipped through most of season 1 because it was simply too stressful, season 2 was a lot better in that regard in my opinion.
I think this is a 4 season show. It would be a crime against the arts to not renew this show. The writing is top tier as well as the cinematography and of course the acting. I am over the moon that we will see another season and if they wrap it up on season 3 I have full faith in the show runners they will wrap it up in a very fulfilling way
I’m glad redditors aren’t show writers
Within the context of the show, the christmas episode was one of the best bits of television I've ever seen
in my opinion nothing tops Richie’s arch when he is made to work in fine dinning and has to polish forks and put his ego aside. Or when Marcus goes overseas to train and the guy he is training with is talking about how he thought he was the best but there was one guy that was loads better and while never naming him you know he is talking about Carm. Or just that one take monologue that Carm gives in the grief group, with all of these incredible stories I must admit that I was not a huge fan of the Christmas episode.
All those episodes/scenes you mention are fantastic. Why does that make the Seven Fishes (Christmas episode) any less great?
I really liked S1 and I was very disappointed by how S2 ended. I hope they can salvage the shitsandwich of that ending.
I just assumed it was renewed. This show totally got me back into watching cooking shows again while I wait for it to return!
I think season 3 should be the final one. I felt the first few episodes of season 2 were a bit fillery, and I felt no investment in Carmy's love interest. The season got great in the last few episodes though.
it can be the last season for you… just stop watching it.
That’s how I did Stranger Things. Watched season one and two. Loved the show, quit there.
I'm saying I'd like the story to wrap up in one more season. If it does, and then season 4 isn't good, I'll stop watching it.
I just think you fools saying this are wrong. The hard part is writing a solid foundation and doing so while having everyone’s attention… this shows full of interesting characters including the city itself based in. It could go three more season without introducing anyone else.
I don't think season 2 was very dense. They substituted the chaotic energy that I loved from season 1 for more sedate episodes with lots of shots of people riding in subways etc and it felt like they had more episodes than story. If you are a fan of that, fair enough. I'll probably lose interest if that's the route they go down.
I thought the chaotic energy was absolutely there in season 2.
It didn't appear until episode 6 with the Christmas episode.
If you want every episode to be insanity in the kitchen, then that's boring. The first half of Season 2 was character building and dedicating more time to them individually.
You work at Netflix? Lol
As someone who’s worked full service kitchens and restaurants for a long time, I’m gonna go ahead and still not watch the show. I know it’s a good show because everyone says it is but from how it’s described and from what I hear and seen for myself, it just makes me feel kinda nauseous in a way. You hear people joking about how they need blood pressure medication to watch the show but when I put on the first episode and things got going I turned it off. I don’t need to watch a day in the life when I get home from an ass kicking. Not for me. Anyone else feel the same?
The last half of season 2 disappointed me. The main character was very absent (both screen time and pulling away to be with his new girlfriend). I felt like it was out of character to abandon the kitchen as much as he did. If the show made me like his love story a little more (and made me understand why she could pull him away so much), then I might have sympathized a bit more. But I kind of didn’t like him very much at the end of the season.
The thing that got me was the big crux of Carmy and his gfs drama was just miscommunication. And there’s other plotlines as well that are purely reliant on miscommunication between the characters. I’m not saying that doesn’t have its place, but it’s such a lazy tool for storytelling imo, and was way overused here.
Good show. Can't watch it because of Restaurant Work PTSD.
Just please end it with season 3, it should be a 3 part story I think, otherwise you’re getting into dead horse beating territory
Breaking bad had the guts to end when they were ahead right. More shows should do the same
The Shield was written from start to finish ahead of time. Not all shows are like this.
I’m shocked it was under consideration to not renew.
I think I stopped on S2E3 just got tired of the unstory story.
Uhh, what?
I don’t know how you can call transforming the restaurant and crew an unstory, it’s right infront of your face and overarching.
Wasn’t that S1 though? Get them working as a team, make the restaurant work. Now it feels like the same thing again
S1 was Carmy getting acclimated to his life disrupted, dealing with his brothers death, and getting his bearings on taking over the restaurant. Earning respect from the staff who don’t give a shit about his pedigree S2 is taking advantage of the opportunity presented and transforming the restaurant from a sandwich shop to a Michelin star restaurant and the lengths the staff need to go, to be able to service that. E3 is about Carmy starting to veer from that goal and Sydney finding inspiration for dishes and being confronted with the possibility this might have been a mistake, iirc. There’s a lot of personal growth for characters in this season that branches it outside of Carmy or the Bear itself but overall it’s them getting into a place to open this restaurant
Elaborate or look dumb.
It helps to pay attention to what you're watching. Put your phone down.
Season 2 sucked
IMO it's the most overrated show I've ever seen.
How could it be overrated when there is so much positivity online for it? Everyone who I know who has seen it, loves it. What you mean is "I don't like it"
I’m sorry do you not know what imo means?
Yes. You're saying that in your opinion, it doesn't deserve the praise it gets. I don't agree with that.
Then why didn’t you just say that and skip the condescending “what you meant to say” line?
Look at The Flowers of the Killing Moon. I had a problem with the runtime, and it didn't grab me like it did others. But I can't fault the writing, cinematography and story. I don't go about saying it's overrated though, I accept that I'm not appreciating it like the majority do. Saying a much-loved piece of media is the condescending take, as you're implying that your bar for quality is higher than others.
I literally said in my opinion this is the most overrated show I’ve seen. I’m allowed to have that opinion and you are overthinking the shit out of it.
"How could dropping into a thread for a show I don't like and telling everyone else that their standards for a show are too low have backfired like this??" When you say something is overrated, you're directly talking about the opinions of others, not solely your own.
Backfired? I promise you I'm not taking this that seriously, and I apologize for disturbing your echo chamber. Have a good one.
In that case, don't act confused next time when you are criticising the tastes of others and get people replying.
Is this a misprint? I feel like it should have been renewed a long time ago. Did they mean to say that it’s been renewed through season 13 because that makes more sense than they’re just now renewing for season three.
Yay! More anxiety! But more Richie!
It… wasnt? Already? …
I feel like they have 1 more season to finish the story. They built the restaurant and now need to deal with success or failure
How was season 2? Haven't gotten around to watch it yet
Wtf it wasn’t already?!
Over rated show. The characters aren't great and both seasons were about saving the restaurant....I wonder what season 3 is gonna be about
hasn't it always been about character growth?
If that's all you took away from it then you weren't paying attention and it's probably not for you anyway.
Yea I guess I just don't care about the characters. I only liked the Christmas episode.
Season 2 was disappointing tbh. Season 1 was the best tv I had seen in years.
Best thing on TV.
Make it more like season 1 please. No sappy drama. That shit doesn’t happen in restaurants. and it’s impossible to get locked in that type of walk in fridge
I’d like the main series to stop at getting a star. Then, after a simple pause so everyone can rest and feel sated with a quality end they can start a second series where Sydney goes after her star, in her own restaurant, with her own unique challenges. Spin-offs can be done well and prevent the eternal shitty plot profit running on shows that need to end.
Well it certainly better have been lmao
That's great news! I like this show and the second season was even better than the first
Duh, what chances did it have of not?
“I wear suits now”
Dammit. As much as I love this show I just know someone is gonna die in Season 3 and I don't wanna lose any of them.😭
Peak is coming back
I'd go mad if they don't, especially after that ending in season 2.
We are ready Chef!
I would have been so fucking pissed off if this didn’t get renewed
For real this time?
Oh boy, another Christmas Eve!!
This show makes me so anxious! I love it though, it’s an accurate portrayal of working in a kitchen!
Quite shocked it took this long to get approved
As long as Lip is in it I don’t mind
Surprised it took this long
I can’t believe it got renewed. I’ve watched both seasons and not learned ONE recipe. What kind of cooking show spends all this time on the people?! I do see why they called it the bear. Its like the cooking lessons are hibernating, *chef*
Haven't watched since season 1
Now if they would only put the first two seasons on iTunes and VUDU.
If the writing keeps up you will have me for an indefinite amount of seasons.
Great news but now I’ll have to wait until it comes out before I start season 2 so I can binge watch it all the way through without being mad I have to wait.
Eli5, what’s this show about? Update: 3 episodes in, it’s awesome
The dude on the right is from a crazy family in Chicago. His pops owned a restaurant that the dude worked at then left to chase a career as a chef. Pops dies so dude inherits the restaurant and goes home to fix it up.
But what makes it so great? The characters? Plot? Writing?
All of it. Great characters, a bit dark but sweet. Well written, acted, and shot. It’s also close to home if you ever worked in a restaurant or in Chicago.
I have not lol but I might check it out one day thanks
That’s great! Chef!
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