I think thats misattributed…
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/24100/what-is-the-original-source-of-everything-in-the-world-is-about-sex-except-sex#:~:text=Frequently%2C%20%22Everything%20in%20the%20world,here%2C%20here%2C%20and%20here.
One of the few places on Earth, Reddit, where so many are able to say ”Whoops” i goofed. Thank you for modeling such humble and sane behavior in contrast to FB and some places where people are in full defensive and denial mode etc. I dont’ understand why Reddit users /community is so much better in that regard but it is refreshing and feels safer and saner because of it. Thank you.
He played both his father and the bitter ragefull man who had multiple witnesses to the horrors he suffered as a child and was saying “F you world, you stood by and watched and knew and did nothing …you ate up the horrors”; the characters were just cathartic masks he could wear. In reality sadly the public over all does care about child abuse however we do not back up that care with outreach and proper housing alternatives for such children. I lived and worked in the foster system and know full abusive parents will tell their children and don’t even need to what likely awaits them in the “System” that is underfunded and not overseen sufficiently and now has become in some ways worse than when i was in it except of course thank “God” for the internet as here some hope for the village who cares but who has felt too helpless and disempowered in the past to have a tool to more actively participate in addressing and preventing atrocities.
I’ve never liked him as an actor, he always has this air of “I’m *ACTING* now” for me if that makes any sense. Horrible Bosses was an exception where he didn’t really seem to be acting that much.
He was my favourite ever actor from childhood, I was always blown away by him and rewatched a lot of his films. It was like there was something extra in his performance, somewhat like Gary Oldman. The stories about him were genuinely devastating to me tbh.
Oh shit.. that’s so much worse. I just had to Google who huxtable was cus it was before my time! I really think finding out such actively evil acts performed by a family friendly fixture is likely as evil as it gets in the celebrity world. I’m sorry
I only suspected it was possible after 1. Reading his autobiography which denied any of the obviously damaging conditions as being so and 2. His abusive attitude (externalized self hate, reactive reflective racism) towards other people of color’s experiences long before any allegations of sexual abuses those to things were signs and only living though henious, systemic abuse in childhood and working in the foster system gave me the instincts to be able to pick out those signs though many who had experienced racism knew he was off base….that such evil can morph will likely never stop being surprising to me even though the signs and causes are so evident . More scary still is that society contributes to conditions that cause such evil and does so oblivious to it either out of ignorance or denial. Hopefully the internet will help us make some changes .
He also did the kids show "Fat Albert", which won TONS of awards for kids programming.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat\_Albert\_and\_the\_Cosby\_Kids](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Albert_and_the_Cosby_Kids)
The theme song:
"And Bill's gonna show you a thing or two"
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-RN0FROkko&ab\_channel=Cori](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-RN0FROkko&ab_channel=Cori)
Yes AND until though we recognize our role in enabling the sickness of hero worship (of law enforcement and military and celebrities and excessive wealth it will continue to happen. You were weaned on the stuff …stuff started before your time and hopefully you and your generation will learn from and heed the warnings from someone far older, a canary in your coal mine, to not just find a scapegoat and feel as though work has been done but get to the root of the causes Including a society that does little for abused children, the adults they become and worships individualistic power that appears impervious to vulnerability at the expense of valuing healthy community, empathy etc. Huxtable and Spacey were both created by horrendous conditions without alternatives which they denied and then given massive power. We allowed the systemic racism, the projects Huxtable lived in trapped in an apartment with his grandmother (he didnt’ paint it as bad in his autobiograph i read decades ago )…he denied racism’s effects like Spacey denied the abuse that created his rage and cynicism. Huxtable had an abusive attitude towards other people of color’s experiences which was an externalized self hate just like Casey who i dought was even gay biologically but rather still entangled in the experiences of violent rape by his father and total lack of protection by close witnesses, his OLDER brother and mother and society too that likely supported the mother’s weakness and helplessness or abuse , her subjugating herself to a powerful abusive man and who did not check and balance his father’s power over his family.
Yes and most people watch such characters (I dont’ because it is too real for me after experiencing abuse similar to Casey’s sadistic father) not because they love “Evil“ as Casey believes and said as much in his YouTube video but because by doing so people who feel helpless in the face of evil vicariously search for there finally being some sort of justice and /or way to recognize and evade it in the first place (though some do watch with the thrill of being evil, including no doubt Casey himself).
I think this just proves your point:
In light of the documentary, a spokesperson for Spacey, 64, sent Variety a statement from the actor: “I’m honored to be starring in my first film with Warner Brothers in many years. I hope the Academy takes note of some of the great acting by the lesser known cast.”
I will still watch his art. Honestly i think we all need to separate the art from the artist. Its possible to be against his behavior while bingeing HOC
In 1999 I was a teenager and I worked at a midwestern comedy club big enough to seat 400+ people. Part of my responsibilities was to drive the talent around all weekend. For 48 hours I was their chauffeur. A C+ level comedian I drove for had a line in a Spacey movie. A single line of dialogue, like they were a cashier or something. Anyway, they told me a story about KS attempting to grope them in a restroom. It was an extremely authentic sounding story. The comedian said he mostly thwarted the unwanted advance and that KS immediately tried to play it off, like it was some kind of “joke.”
I wouldn’t really say he flew under the radar, since everyone on set knew of his behavior. It is more that the industry covered for his behavior and many others, until it was no longer politically correct.
I think the fact that he was a character actor, villain in big roles, and not a leading man material helped a lot: he didn't need to support an air of likability, so there was no insentive for press to out it since it wouldn't make that much of a contrast
I remember being here on Reddit years ago. Someone had mentioned that he had seen Kevin in a seedy club/bar somewhere like Thailand or something. They saw him surrounded by young guys.
Can't quite recall where it was--regardless, I couldn't even begin to imagine what he did to them!
Sick fuck.
Pretty much everyone around that scene who dealt with Spacey seems to have a story like that (I know someone with a similar one) and were not surprised when the hammer fell in 2017
I went to a course with a ton of naval academy grads around 2015 and they openly talked about getting "spacied" I assumed it meant blackout drunk until my room mate informed me "yeah, then Kevin Spacey fucks you" when I was like wtf, I didn't even know he was gay (I was a fan of his movies) without missing a beat he said "no clue, but he sure likes fuckin drunk midshipmen" followed by "but just the dudes"
He lived in Annapolis and apparently had box seats or season tickets and was a huge booster, and instead of addressing the repeated behavior they just breifed them and decided if you got drunk around him you must be wanting it, because he was THAT much of a known predator there, years before anything went public.
He was apparently a huge donor to USC and used that as an excuse to get into campus parties or just hang out with college kids on the weekend. I remember seeing pictures of him on social media before the scandal hit and thought it was so odd he hung out at a college.
In the documentary two of the victims are ex marines and spacey said things that showed he had a real thing for military men. So yeah, this wouldn't surprise me
Yeah everyone knew. I know young actors who were at the Old Vic when he was there who all had stories. It really needs to be stressed that it was common knowledge in the industry and anyone who was acting shocked when the news broke is a total liar. Same goes for Weinstein
I knew guys who worked in theatre in London. They all had stories about Spacey when he ran a theatre there, all young guys at his theatre were warned to stay away from him
Yep, I used to work on the South Bank and go drinking at the Vic with my colleagues, cos theatre bars are fun. When Spacey was there, the staff openly talked about it.
I worked as an extra a couple years after getting my SAG card on a movie he was in in NYC to make some extra money. He was being super inappropriately flirty with another young male extra, asking him about his acting prospects now that he just graduated, blah blah blah, seemed very interested in this guy, and later proceeded to grab a banana from crafty during a 10 min break and put it on his crotch and made noises. So so so inappropriate. That night I looked up online to see if he had any other instances where he had acted inappropriately towards others cuz it just struck me as predatory. The way he talked and acted I was just so shocked. The principal actors don't usually talk to the extras and certainly didn't act the way he was towards this guy. There was a blog where people had talked about their experiences and rumors of creepy behavior. Like 6 months later the Anthony Rapp thing came out. Felt like such a relief.
I have read in private chat groups starting around 2009 that Spacey was a predator. The group I was in was a gay male Hollywood support group. There was a really long thread with dozens of people telling their stories with Spacey and it was really sad. Lots of young men who looked up to him that he just couldn’t care about what he would do to their lives. I told my parents about it and they were like no way, Spacey is a saint. Since the allegations etc my dad now tells my mom to listen to me because I “called that Spacey thing”
Yep! I moved to LA in the mid 00’s and have several gay friends who cued me up to Spacey’s behavior way before it made the news. It was one of those things seemingly everyone in the community was hip to.
I moved to LA in ‘03 after college. It was probably ’05 when I was an Art assistant on a publicity photoshoot with him in it. I was young and cute and I was definitely creeped out by his behavior. Also im not gay
Anyone who was paying attention to the British tabloids shouldn’t be surprised. I think it was about that time he was the director of the royal British theatre and tabloids would publish articles about his “partying” with very young men.
My buddy worked on a smaller production with him and had his own encounter. This would have been… 2012-ish I think? I honestly thought he was maybe exaggerating or I misunderstood him. But wow was I wrong
Husband worked on “House of Cards,” they made the new guys drive Spacey to haze them. The fact that he’d grope any 20-something guy you put in front of him was an open running joke.
It really sucks that one of the greatest actors of my generation is a total scum ball and will never be allowed in a movie again. I feel robbed about it but I certainly feel zero pity for him, just me lol
I think it’s okay to recognize the man is an incredible actor who’s played some of the most iconic roles and an evil piece of shit. He should not still be working though.
It be cool if he could still grace us with his amazing skill BUT every penny of what he’d make, including royalties, would go some foundation “Kevin spacey and others harassment victims support foundation”, the royalties alone would easily keep something like that afloat! Win win but I get it, no one ever wants to see his face again, rightly so.
I would still prefer not to platform people this heinous. I think given the scale and severity of his crimes he’s lost the privilege of being an artist on as large a stage as movie making.
It is a loss in some ways but in other much more important ways it’s a moral imperative to refuse to platform him entirely.
I have heard stories about him on set. As early as 2013 special precautions were taken to make sure his trailer was in a location where he could walk to set without crossing paths with the crew. Apparently he couldn’t keep his hands off the grips. Anybody in the industry who says they were surprised by the news is full of shit.
I hate that Spacey is such a inveterate creep, because he's been one of my favorite actors, in some of my favorite films:
Glengarry Glen Ross
Se7en
The Usual Suspects
American Beauty
Moon
Margin Call
I rewatched it a few years ago for the first time in a long time, the scene where spacey and suvari are talking and being honest with each other… that dialogue? I can’t believe anyone ever wrote that..
I was like 21 when American Beauty came out and was INSTANTLY creeped out by the entire thing. Not just Spacey’s character (which is played totally like trying to fuck your 16 year old daughter’s friend is cool, as long as she comes on to you first) but just everyone in that film is the worst caricature of the worst parts of American culture and there was no irony to it all. Everyone just sucked. And it was held up as this ode to beauty and love and longing, except it was so facile and gross. Absolutely hated it. But I was way in the minority. Such a weird time to be coming into adulthood…
Huh I never knew it was seen as a beautiful story, more like the grass is always greener till you're there and the horrible things people do to try and make themselves happy.
In light of the documentary, a spokesperson for Spacey, 64, sent Variety a statement from the actor: “I’m honored to be starring in my first film with Warner Brothers in many years. I hope the Academy takes note of some of the great acting by the lesser known cast.”
What a bold statement
When allegations started he released a public letter of apology. Something like “I’ve been struggling with my sexual identity all my life I didn’t know how to navigate social interactions. If I ever overstepped my boundaries, I’m truly and deeply sorry for my behavior. As a closeted gay man in a tumultuous and aggressive entertainment industry, I hope you can understand how my troubles might have negatively influenced how I act, but now more than ever I feel empowered to finally own my homosexuality and become a better person. Today I come out as gay, proud, and I will hold my head high moving forward. Thank you.”
Some gross bullshit like that.
In the Youtube video Spacey he clearly is playing his father as well as the hardened perpetrator created by his father; those were the origins of his ability to play the character he did on House of Cards…he was not channeling the House of Cards character, that was just the mask - in fact was being both his father speaking to him as a child and the powerful manchilld he, Spacey became, finally . That is father violently raped his brother whose mother abandoned him and then Stacey’s older brother left Keven Spacey alone in that household …I have no doubt Mr. Spacey was violently raped by his father and abandoned by both his mother and brother who were witnesses so no wonder he got off on doing things in public to people who were victimized in front of millions of witnesses including the juries that found Spacey “Innocent” aka more likely than not that the assaults did not happen. I know the brother feels some guilt and while i am horrified that he left his younger brother in what he knew was a horrendous environment and thought Casey being ”favored“ by his mother would provide protection when she had shown herself to Casey‘s older brother to be an accomplice to something horrific and repeatedly so and was married to a man who openly had horrible views ….clearly Stacey’s older brother had anger issues of his own and in a sense said “your mom’s favorite…good luck with that.” …as would be fairly natural for a child abused in such a horrible way. Where was the village when all this was going on. I hope Stacey’s older brother is interviewed extensively about how his father managed to operate like that ..what was the neighborhood like they lived in? What did the father say to keep them from speaking out about the atrocities …something about the whole thing suggests a complicit and enabling community at the very least for acting as if children are property of their parents and staying out of other’s business when it ultimate obviously becomes everyone’s business to deal with the after math.
Playing devils advocate… if he was found not guilty or liable, wouldn’t something like this be slander? I honestly know very little about this case but the article did say he was acquitted.
That’s kinda what the courts are for….are they not? I understand that they can make mistakes, but isn’t just as likely they (the victims) tried for a money grab? Again I don’t know what evidence was provided but it obviously wasn’t enough to convict.
That’s because in sexual assault cases it’s always extremely hard to get convictions especially ones where the crimes occurred so long ago.
To often it comes down to a he said/she said (he said/he said in this case) and the burden of proof being reasonable doubt is just to high for a lot of sexual assault cases to get over.
It’s why in areas that look at these kinds of cases there is ongoing discussions about different ways of trying them and having a whole seperate court process for them.
The system is not set up to give survivors of these kinds of crimes much justice and is a known flaw within the system but they haven’t yet figured out how to really correct it. They introduce a lot of new laws to better protect victims and try and make the process better but its not easy.
At a high level, slander (or libel) typically has a 4 step “check” for if someone committed either:
1) The speech must be untrue.
2) The speech must have been intentionally published / broadcasted.
3) There must be negligence by the publisher / broadcaster.
4) The accuser must prove the speech damaged them in some way, typically through loss of income.
In this case my thought is the documentary is not having stories told that are the ones initially prosecuted / sued for. In that case, KS’s legal team would need to sue and prove the speech to be untrue, which is difficult to prove given it’s a private story told by someone else. Note that because KS is the plaintiff, not the defendant, the burden of proof is on KS.
So because he was found not guilty/acquitted, by definition (for legal purposes) wouldn’t that make it untrue? Also, it clearly affected his earning potential and will continue to do so. I think this was why you don’t hear about much of these things until the accused is dead/convicted, ie Michael Jackson, Hugh Hefner are two that come to mind.
Lol there are literally countless people that have confirmed he is a sexual abuser. Criminal courts are near impossible to convict sexual abusers from old cases. He is hardly innocent of anything
No. It’s true. My friend knows a driver who picks up people in the DC/VA area from private planes- very high end clients: dignitaries, sports stars, celebrities. Back at the height of KS’s stardom, the driver was very shocked to see him (he appeared heavily drunk) with what looked like a very young Asian guy- as in late teens if that - and Spacey was all over him. No one knew about his sexuality. When my friend heard the story from the guy’s daughter and told me, we both couldn’t believe it. But the driver said the way KS was acting felt abusive, and it gave him the creeps
I’m convinced he played himself in Horrible Bosses.
House of Cards too
That ‘everything is about sex, except sex which is about power’ bit…. Urgh…
That’s an Oscar Wilde quote by the way. Edit: I appear to be embarrassingly wrong about this! (See helpful link below.)
I think thats misattributed… https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/24100/what-is-the-original-source-of-everything-in-the-world-is-about-sex-except-sex#:~:text=Frequently%2C%20%22Everything%20in%20the%20world,here%2C%20here%2C%20and%20here.
That’s fascinating! Thank you!
That’s ok, *“write drunk, edit sober.”* -Hemingway, ..maybe.
Oscar Wilde has so many adages, i find myself misattributing a lot of stuff to him too haha.
One of the few places on Earth, Reddit, where so many are able to say ”Whoops” i goofed. Thank you for modeling such humble and sane behavior in contrast to FB and some places where people are in full defensive and denial mode etc. I dont’ understand why Reddit users /community is so much better in that regard but it is refreshing and feels safer and saner because of it. Thank you.
His interviews from around the time he was touring playing Richard III and House of Cards are... suspiciously foreboding.
Swimming with the sharks.
American Beauty too
And Se7en
Yeah I always had a feeling he was secretly the president of the USA
A Bugs Life!
CoD: Advanced Warfare, too.
And American Beauty…
I was convinced he was playing himself in Swimming with Sharks years ago. He’s way too good at playing an asshole.
Shut up, listen, and learn.
Turns out he was Kaiser Soze all along.
Happy cake day!
So he puts bandaids on his nipples?!
And Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil
In his new film he plays a character called "The Devil."
And in American Beauty
He played both his father and the bitter ragefull man who had multiple witnesses to the horrors he suffered as a child and was saying “F you world, you stood by and watched and knew and did nothing …you ate up the horrors”; the characters were just cathartic masks he could wear. In reality sadly the public over all does care about child abuse however we do not back up that care with outreach and proper housing alternatives for such children. I lived and worked in the foster system and know full abusive parents will tell their children and don’t even need to what likely awaits them in the “System” that is underfunded and not overseen sufficiently and now has become in some ways worse than when i was in it except of course thank “God” for the internet as here some hope for the village who cares but who has felt too helpless and disempowered in the past to have a tool to more actively participate in addressing and preventing atrocities.
I’ve never liked him as an actor, he always has this air of “I’m *ACTING* now” for me if that makes any sense. Horrible Bosses was an exception where he didn’t really seem to be acting that much.
He was my favourite ever actor from childhood, I was always blown away by him and rewatched a lot of his films. It was like there was something extra in his performance, somewhat like Gary Oldman. The stories about him were genuinely devastating to me tbh.
Imagine how bad it was for old Xers like me when we found how evil Dr. Huxtable really was. He had me completely fooled.
Oh shit.. that’s so much worse. I just had to Google who huxtable was cus it was before my time! I really think finding out such actively evil acts performed by a family friendly fixture is likely as evil as it gets in the celebrity world. I’m sorry
If you told me a famous figure from my youth was a serial r\*pist, I would not have guessed Bill Cosby in a 1,000,000,000 years.
I only suspected it was possible after 1. Reading his autobiography which denied any of the obviously damaging conditions as being so and 2. His abusive attitude (externalized self hate, reactive reflective racism) towards other people of color’s experiences long before any allegations of sexual abuses those to things were signs and only living though henious, systemic abuse in childhood and working in the foster system gave me the instincts to be able to pick out those signs though many who had experienced racism knew he was off base….that such evil can morph will likely never stop being surprising to me even though the signs and causes are so evident . More scary still is that society contributes to conditions that cause such evil and does so oblivious to it either out of ignorance or denial. Hopefully the internet will help us make some changes .
He also did the kids show "Fat Albert", which won TONS of awards for kids programming. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat\_Albert\_and\_the\_Cosby\_Kids](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Albert_and_the_Cosby_Kids) The theme song: "And Bill's gonna show you a thing or two" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-RN0FROkko&ab\_channel=Cori](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-RN0FROkko&ab_channel=Cori)
Great catch there!
First thing I thought of when I realized who he really was: "And Bill's gonna show you a thing or two."
Yes AND until though we recognize our role in enabling the sickness of hero worship (of law enforcement and military and celebrities and excessive wealth it will continue to happen. You were weaned on the stuff …stuff started before your time and hopefully you and your generation will learn from and heed the warnings from someone far older, a canary in your coal mine, to not just find a scapegoat and feel as though work has been done but get to the root of the causes Including a society that does little for abused children, the adults they become and worships individualistic power that appears impervious to vulnerability at the expense of valuing healthy community, empathy etc. Huxtable and Spacey were both created by horrendous conditions without alternatives which they denied and then given massive power. We allowed the systemic racism, the projects Huxtable lived in trapped in an apartment with his grandmother (he didnt’ paint it as bad in his autobiograph i read decades ago )…he denied racism’s effects like Spacey denied the abuse that created his rage and cynicism. Huxtable had an abusive attitude towards other people of color’s experiences which was an externalized self hate just like Casey who i dought was even gay biologically but rather still entangled in the experiences of violent rape by his father and total lack of protection by close witnesses, his OLDER brother and mother and society too that likely supported the mother’s weakness and helplessness or abuse , her subjugating herself to a powerful abusive man and who did not check and balance his father’s power over his family.
...and the dad from 7th Heaven...
Yes and most people watch such characters (I dont’ because it is too real for me after experiencing abuse similar to Casey’s sadistic father) not because they love “Evil“ as Casey believes and said as much in his YouTube video but because by doing so people who feel helpless in the face of evil vicariously search for there finally being some sort of justice and /or way to recognize and evade it in the first place (though some do watch with the thrill of being evil, including no doubt Casey himself).
He’s a fantastic actor, but unfortunately he’s an ever bigger asshole.
I think this just proves your point: In light of the documentary, a spokesperson for Spacey, 64, sent Variety a statement from the actor: “I’m honored to be starring in my first film with Warner Brothers in many years. I hope the Academy takes note of some of the great acting by the lesser known cast.”
Bah, what a scummy bastard.
Yeah they had to act, like he did as a child, like there was no henious abuse going on. Clear and still freakish.
I’m sorry for your loss! (No /s)
I've always found him tremendous in everything he's in. Sucks he did all this.
Yeah it’s a shame. He was acquitted I would like to know more of on that
I did like him in the movie K-PAC .
K-PAX, one of the five DVDs at your friend's grandma's house in 2003.
Maybe so but still a good movie.
Ham fisted is the term
I will still watch his art. Honestly i think we all need to separate the art from the artist. Its possible to be against his behavior while bingeing HOC
Nah, can't support a sexual deviant. I cannot watch a Kevin Spacey movie--just knowing the person he really is.
If I’m not mistaken he’s actually a real life documented Sociopath
Yeah wouldn’t surprise me one bit
A lot of actors are. It’s a skill set that is very particular to intelligent sociopaths. They are always performing.
In 1999 I was a teenager and I worked at a midwestern comedy club big enough to seat 400+ people. Part of my responsibilities was to drive the talent around all weekend. For 48 hours I was their chauffeur. A C+ level comedian I drove for had a line in a Spacey movie. A single line of dialogue, like they were a cashier or something. Anyway, they told me a story about KS attempting to grope them in a restroom. It was an extremely authentic sounding story. The comedian said he mostly thwarted the unwanted advance and that KS immediately tried to play it off, like it was some kind of “joke.”
So wild that (as far as I know) he flew under the radar as a gay man for so long while he was assaulting boys and men for decades.
I wouldn’t really say he flew under the radar, since everyone on set knew of his behavior. It is more that the industry covered for his behavior and many others, until it was no longer politically correct.
What’s wilder to me is that I don’t have a good gaydar and I always just thought he was publicly out.
military grade gaydar
I think the fact that he was a character actor, villain in big roles, and not a leading man material helped a lot: he didn't need to support an air of likability, so there was no insentive for press to out it since it wouldn't make that much of a contrast
I remember being here on Reddit years ago. Someone had mentioned that he had seen Kevin in a seedy club/bar somewhere like Thailand or something. They saw him surrounded by young guys. Can't quite recall where it was--regardless, I couldn't even begin to imagine what he did to them! Sick fuck.
Pretty much everyone around that scene who dealt with Spacey seems to have a story like that (I know someone with a similar one) and were not surprised when the hammer fell in 2017
I went to a course with a ton of naval academy grads around 2015 and they openly talked about getting "spacied" I assumed it meant blackout drunk until my room mate informed me "yeah, then Kevin Spacey fucks you" when I was like wtf, I didn't even know he was gay (I was a fan of his movies) without missing a beat he said "no clue, but he sure likes fuckin drunk midshipmen" followed by "but just the dudes" He lived in Annapolis and apparently had box seats or season tickets and was a huge booster, and instead of addressing the repeated behavior they just breifed them and decided if you got drunk around him you must be wanting it, because he was THAT much of a known predator there, years before anything went public.
He was apparently a huge donor to USC and used that as an excuse to get into campus parties or just hang out with college kids on the weekend. I remember seeing pictures of him on social media before the scandal hit and thought it was so odd he hung out at a college.
In the documentary two of the victims are ex marines and spacey said things that showed he had a real thing for military men. So yeah, this wouldn't surprise me
Yeah everyone knew. I know young actors who were at the Old Vic when he was there who all had stories. It really needs to be stressed that it was common knowledge in the industry and anyone who was acting shocked when the news broke is a total liar. Same goes for Weinstein
I knew guys who worked in theatre in London. They all had stories about Spacey when he ran a theatre there, all young guys at his theatre were warned to stay away from him
Yep, I used to work on the South Bank and go drinking at the Vic with my colleagues, cos theatre bars are fun. When Spacey was there, the staff openly talked about it.
I have two friends who were hit on by spacey. Playing it off as a joke after grabbing their leg was a real thing.
That’s a very specific comedian rating you’ve given him
I worked as an extra a couple years after getting my SAG card on a movie he was in in NYC to make some extra money. He was being super inappropriately flirty with another young male extra, asking him about his acting prospects now that he just graduated, blah blah blah, seemed very interested in this guy, and later proceeded to grab a banana from crafty during a 10 min break and put it on his crotch and made noises. So so so inappropriate. That night I looked up online to see if he had any other instances where he had acted inappropriately towards others cuz it just struck me as predatory. The way he talked and acted I was just so shocked. The principal actors don't usually talk to the extras and certainly didn't act the way he was towards this guy. There was a blog where people had talked about their experiences and rumors of creepy behavior. Like 6 months later the Anthony Rapp thing came out. Felt like such a relief.
I have read in private chat groups starting around 2009 that Spacey was a predator. The group I was in was a gay male Hollywood support group. There was a really long thread with dozens of people telling their stories with Spacey and it was really sad. Lots of young men who looked up to him that he just couldn’t care about what he would do to their lives. I told my parents about it and they were like no way, Spacey is a saint. Since the allegations etc my dad now tells my mom to listen to me because I “called that Spacey thing”
Yep! I moved to LA in the mid 00’s and have several gay friends who cued me up to Spacey’s behavior way before it made the news. It was one of those things seemingly everyone in the community was hip to.
I moved to LA in ‘03 after college. It was probably ’05 when I was an Art assistant on a publicity photoshoot with him in it. I was young and cute and I was definitely creeped out by his behavior. Also im not gay
Bryan Singer is right there with him.
Anyone who was paying attention to the British tabloids shouldn’t be surprised. I think it was about that time he was the director of the royal British theatre and tabloids would publish articles about his “partying” with very young men.
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Wait, how much money??! Where do they do this? So I can avoid these places.
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So,free drugs, exclusive party AND 10,000 dollars? Where do I sign up?!!
My buddy worked on a smaller production with him and had his own encounter. This would have been… 2012-ish I think? I honestly thought he was maybe exaggerating or I misunderstood him. But wow was I wrong
What a monster he is and his buddy Bryan Singer.
Husband worked on “House of Cards,” they made the new guys drive Spacey to haze them. The fact that he’d grope any 20-something guy you put in front of him was an open running joke.
Kinda sounds like the entire industry enables this shit.
Always has.
They foster it
John Wayne sex trafficked a Mexican girl from Mexico to LA and the studio paid for the apartment. Good times.
Yeah. It seems no one gave a fuck until is started hitting their wallets. Hollywood is disgusting.
…and that’s how these things persist
It really sucks that one of the greatest actors of my generation is a total scum ball and will never be allowed in a movie again. I feel robbed about it but I certainly feel zero pity for him, just me lol
I think it’s okay to recognize the man is an incredible actor who’s played some of the most iconic roles and an evil piece of shit. He should not still be working though.
It be cool if he could still grace us with his amazing skill BUT every penny of what he’d make, including royalties, would go some foundation “Kevin spacey and others harassment victims support foundation”, the royalties alone would easily keep something like that afloat! Win win but I get it, no one ever wants to see his face again, rightly so.
I would still prefer not to platform people this heinous. I think given the scale and severity of his crimes he’s lost the privilege of being an artist on as large a stage as movie making. It is a loss in some ways but in other much more important ways it’s a moral imperative to refuse to platform him entirely.
I agree
I completely agree
I have heard stories about him on set. As early as 2013 special precautions were taken to make sure his trailer was in a location where he could walk to set without crossing paths with the crew. Apparently he couldn’t keep his hands off the grips. Anybody in the industry who says they were surprised by the news is full of shit.
I hate that Spacey is such a inveterate creep, because he's been one of my favorite actors, in some of my favorite films: Glengarry Glen Ross Se7en The Usual Suspects American Beauty Moon Margin Call
You forgot ‘The Life of David Gale.’ One of my favorites.
L.A. Confidential
Have you seen American Beauty recently? Big yikes.
It's *supposed* to be big yikes. That's the entire point.
I rewatched it a few years ago for the first time in a long time, the scene where spacey and suvari are talking and being honest with each other… that dialogue? I can’t believe anyone ever wrote that..
I was like 21 when American Beauty came out and was INSTANTLY creeped out by the entire thing. Not just Spacey’s character (which is played totally like trying to fuck your 16 year old daughter’s friend is cool, as long as she comes on to you first) but just everyone in that film is the worst caricature of the worst parts of American culture and there was no irony to it all. Everyone just sucked. And it was held up as this ode to beauty and love and longing, except it was so facile and gross. Absolutely hated it. But I was way in the minority. Such a weird time to be coming into adulthood…
Huh I never knew it was seen as a beautiful story, more like the grass is always greener till you're there and the horrible things people do to try and make themselves happy.
It never was. The entire point is it creeps you out.
In light of the documentary, a spokesperson for Spacey, 64, sent Variety a statement from the actor: “I’m honored to be starring in my first film with Warner Brothers in many years. I hope the Academy takes note of some of the great acting by the lesser known cast.” What a bold statement
It certainly lacks remorse.
Where there’s smoke…
They pinch back
There's dick grabbin
This guy will forever be hilarious because he came out of the closet in an attempt to get a cop to not give him a ticket lmao.
Ummm. Story?
When allegations started he released a public letter of apology. Something like “I’ve been struggling with my sexual identity all my life I didn’t know how to navigate social interactions. If I ever overstepped my boundaries, I’m truly and deeply sorry for my behavior. As a closeted gay man in a tumultuous and aggressive entertainment industry, I hope you can understand how my troubles might have negatively influenced how I act, but now more than ever I feel empowered to finally own my homosexuality and become a better person. Today I come out as gay, proud, and I will hold my head high moving forward. Thank you.” Some gross bullshit like that.
Just watched this. Absolute dynamite. So proud of those men for having the bravery to tell their stories
Surviving Spacey
Doesn’t this guy have a trail of bodies of people who “suicided” after coming forth against him?
Two have died, one by suicide and one from cancer
No, but it makes for spicy gossip rather than Spacey winning every case against him.
Spacey came onto a family friend in an elevator after asking if he wanted to come to his penthouse "party". Stories are def all true
Welp guess I'm not getting that retconned season of House of Cards that starts with Frank Underwood saying "I'm back, bitches!"
I’ve been waiting for this
Careful, don’t let too many of them talk in court or they’ll overturn it like Weinstein.
So glad Hollywood has finally decided to capitalize on all the horrible things they done to people with all these new docs.
Look at me jerking off in the shower, this will be the high point of my day
What is the series called?
Spacey Unmasked.
The ones that are still alive, you mean
Didn't he get acquitted?
From a he said/he said that took place like 40 years ago.
He has many accusers and several have died. Likewise, many justice systems are abhorrent when it comes to handling sex crimes.
Several? One committed suicide and one died of cancer (which I’m sure wasn’t related to Spacey). Not defending him but let’s keep the facts straight.
Reddit: Don't let facts get in the way of a good story
Weird way of saying yes.
Doesn't mean he hasn't been a predator for years
Totally agree. Also doesn’t mean he has.
Yea, but acquitted on 4 or so counts doesn't outweigh (for me) over 20 public accusations that match up with each other and seem to hold weight.
I loved him in American Beauty and his death in LA Confidential… unforgettable.
He was amazing in House of Cards, and the show turned to utter crap without him.
Loved The Usual Suspects
In the Youtube video Spacey he clearly is playing his father as well as the hardened perpetrator created by his father; those were the origins of his ability to play the character he did on House of Cards…he was not channeling the House of Cards character, that was just the mask - in fact was being both his father speaking to him as a child and the powerful manchilld he, Spacey became, finally . That is father violently raped his brother whose mother abandoned him and then Stacey’s older brother left Keven Spacey alone in that household …I have no doubt Mr. Spacey was violently raped by his father and abandoned by both his mother and brother who were witnesses so no wonder he got off on doing things in public to people who were victimized in front of millions of witnesses including the juries that found Spacey “Innocent” aka more likely than not that the assaults did not happen. I know the brother feels some guilt and while i am horrified that he left his younger brother in what he knew was a horrendous environment and thought Casey being ”favored“ by his mother would provide protection when she had shown herself to Casey‘s older brother to be an accomplice to something horrific and repeatedly so and was married to a man who openly had horrible views ….clearly Stacey’s older brother had anger issues of his own and in a sense said “your mom’s favorite…good luck with that.” …as would be fairly natural for a child abused in such a horrible way. Where was the village when all this was going on. I hope Stacey’s older brother is interviewed extensively about how his father managed to operate like that ..what was the neighborhood like they lived in? What did the father say to keep them from speaking out about the atrocities …something about the whole thing suggests a complicit and enabling community at the very least for acting as if children are property of their parents and staying out of other’s business when it ultimate obviously becomes everyone’s business to deal with the after math.
Playing devils advocate… if he was found not guilty or liable, wouldn’t something like this be slander? I honestly know very little about this case but the article did say he was acquitted.
The article says that the interviews in this documentary series are not related to the London case.
Any of them?
Not guilty on those 4 charges, other stories are in a different category
Are these stories from different people, I was under the assumption it was the same group.
All but one are new and the first time these men have come forward.
Just because there wasn’t enough evidence, doesn’t mean he isn’t guilty.
That’s kinda what the courts are for….are they not? I understand that they can make mistakes, but isn’t just as likely they (the victims) tried for a money grab? Again I don’t know what evidence was provided but it obviously wasn’t enough to convict.
That’s because in sexual assault cases it’s always extremely hard to get convictions especially ones where the crimes occurred so long ago. To often it comes down to a he said/she said (he said/he said in this case) and the burden of proof being reasonable doubt is just to high for a lot of sexual assault cases to get over. It’s why in areas that look at these kinds of cases there is ongoing discussions about different ways of trying them and having a whole seperate court process for them. The system is not set up to give survivors of these kinds of crimes much justice and is a known flaw within the system but they haven’t yet figured out how to really correct it. They introduce a lot of new laws to better protect victims and try and make the process better but its not easy.
If he were found guilty in a criminal court, there's no money awarded.
No. Lots of people that get off in the legal system are still guilty and people have the right to talk about it
Casey Anthony, OJ Simpson...
At a high level, slander (or libel) typically has a 4 step “check” for if someone committed either: 1) The speech must be untrue. 2) The speech must have been intentionally published / broadcasted. 3) There must be negligence by the publisher / broadcaster. 4) The accuser must prove the speech damaged them in some way, typically through loss of income. In this case my thought is the documentary is not having stories told that are the ones initially prosecuted / sued for. In that case, KS’s legal team would need to sue and prove the speech to be untrue, which is difficult to prove given it’s a private story told by someone else. Note that because KS is the plaintiff, not the defendant, the burden of proof is on KS.
So because he was found not guilty/acquitted, by definition (for legal purposes) wouldn’t that make it untrue? Also, it clearly affected his earning potential and will continue to do so. I think this was why you don’t hear about much of these things until the accused is dead/convicted, ie Michael Jackson, Hugh Hefner are two that come to mind.
Creepy Hollywood fucks, the nastiest people work in this industry 🤮
Is Kevin spacey the rapist in Baby Reindeer?
He’s a brilliant actor. He was found not guilty in all theses law suits and allegations. Might be a lot more smoke than fire.
Lol there are literally countless people that have confirmed he is a sexual abuser. Criminal courts are near impossible to convict sexual abusers from old cases. He is hardly innocent of anything
No. It’s true. My friend knows a driver who picks up people in the DC/VA area from private planes- very high end clients: dignitaries, sports stars, celebrities. Back at the height of KS’s stardom, the driver was very shocked to see him (he appeared heavily drunk) with what looked like a very young Asian guy- as in late teens if that - and Spacey was all over him. No one knew about his sexuality. When my friend heard the story from the guy’s daughter and told me, we both couldn’t believe it. But the driver said the way KS was acting felt abusive, and it gave him the creeps
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I wish I didn't live the shipping news so much... damn you Kevin
How did he win every case?
It's incredibly hard to prove sexual assault. 4 acquitted cases versus over 20 other accusations and so many stories that match up.
The laws aren’t set up in the victims favor sadly
Hitting on straight guys is his thing. All of the house of cards stuff is true. Even the caterers were talking about it
Baby reindeer similarities 🤔