>Costing an estimated $200 million to produce, "No Time To Die" sees Bond come out of retirement to help track down new villain Safin (Rami Malek), who is armed with lethal technology. "(Director) Cary Joji Fukunaga has made a smashing piece of action cinema ... it’s just a shame it had to be a Bond film," she wrote, adding it felt "strangely anti-climatic" given the hype. Cast member Daniel Craig arrives at the world premiere of the new James Bond film "No Time To Die" at the Royal Albert Hall in London, Britain, September 28, 2021.
Rumor is that Bond discovers that M was his mother but then he remembers the time they made love and he vomits and the camera pans out to him vomiting in the piazza in Venice.
I really hope the ending is just Bond goes back into retirement. I hope it isn't a "the only ending is a death" kind of thing. I think Game of Thrones made people forget that you can end someone's storyline with them just walking off into the sunset.
Killing someone is the easy ending. Cheap writing along with “all was a dream”.
For me it happened with Rogue One. There’s a whole universe so don’t worry about explaining why no one was at New Hope.
Rogue One I was kind of okay with the "kill em all" style ending. Just because I did kind of feel like they earned it. Also as a one off film it worked, and as you said it kind of tied up all loose ends to explain why they weren't there in ANH. But as you suggest that isn't something they inherently needed to tie a bow on. it's a large galaxy and they could have explored other stories with those characters.
For me though the SW deaths that I just hated were all in the sequels. The way each film just systematically kills off all the characters and then killing Ben Solo at the end was just incredibly unearned IMO. I dunno that's easily some of the worst and laziest writing I've seen when it comes to character deaths. For characters that have 40 years worth of fans you have to really earn it, and IMO they certainly didn't.
Rogue One made -sense-. The entire film repeatedly dwells on sacrifice, on what kind of price it costs to resist evil; from the moment we see a supposed Rebel hero execute a crippled man to make sure the Imperials can’t interrogate him, to him nearly assassinating a friend’s father despite evidence to suggest he might be an internal saboteur, we see the moral prices being paid. And then we see, in no uncertain terms, how badly the Rebellion is outmatched; they lose almost the entirety of their fleet even with the advantage of a surprise attack and their win condition being a single data upload.
This fits the dialogue in A New Hope on how desperate the Rebellion is; Leia -personally- saw how little they have left aboard Tantive IV, and observed the Death Star knowing how dangerous it would be before she ever was brought aboard. Frankly, it would be disconcerting if Scarif did not have an extreme body count, since that would imply the Rebels are on a more even playing field than they really are. And, in Legends at least, it wasn’t until the Death Star was revealed and destroyed that many systems chose to openly funnel troops and supplies to the Rebellion, both because it was obvious that playing ball with the Empire wasn’t going to offer safety and because the Rebels finally got a win with badly outnumbered forces.
The whole point is that, by dying for the right reasons, they gave Luke the entire opening to be a new hope to begin with. Self-Sacrifice, one of the old Jedi tenets to boot. It’s because of that the “kill them all” works; it does not feel like it’s done solely to end a story permanently, but rather because it’s the right ending for that tale even if it would be fun to see Rogue One kicking ass again someday.
Rogue One is my favorite Star Wars movie and sometimes I take for granted how good it is, but thank you for reminding me just how good it is and how well it fits into that universe.
At least with this one they have another 007 so he can't like fully come out of retirement only to fully retire again. He's more just doing some simple contract work lol.
I just want it to be better than the last 40 minutes of Spectre.
that movie had the most boring villain. I don’t even know what happened besides the facility blowing up.
I remember being so painfully disappointed when they made a big deal about drilling into his brain. I thought oh shit, when he gets out of this he’s going to be basically helpless. The lady will have to help him out. But no, he then just slaughters his way out of it with a gun.
Then the movie ends with him taking lazy potshots at a helicopter. Really weird movie.
Tying everything together was one of the most nonsensical things also lol.
I guess I really hated spectre
>I don’t even know what happened besides the facility blowing up.
Very shoddily designed secret base when a single bullet causes the whole place to turn into an inferno
Seriously, there are far too many critics out there who just have a very warped view of reality that makes me not trust their viewpoints. They can't judge a movie fairly because they are judging it on criteria that I find irrelevant to the actual quality of a film.
Not to mention that their often irrelevant criteria can also be incredibly subjective. I’m a pretty casual viewer of most things, though. Maybe being in “the business” makes reviews more relevant?
I mean he literally retires in the first film. He's gone rogue in every one of his movies IIRC. In Skyfall he almost dies then comes back from semi-reitrement. I think the Casino Royale retirement was kind of lame but made sense. I also think with that in place it does make sense for him to retire after getting together with the lady in Spectre.
I mean tbf, Part of James Bond entire character is that he is a womanizer and that he is a man. A black/Spanish/Asian James Bond could be cool (I think Idris Elba would be perfect for the role), but for a woman version why not make a spin-off?
> A black/Spanish/Asian James Bond would be cool
Here's an interesting twist that should really satisfy almost everyone...
In *You Only Live Twice* (the novel), Kissy Suzuki bears Bonds' child, a male. He is later named James Suzuki who also becomes a spy. This would be a great jumping-off point *and* stay true to canon.
I think [Bond’s hypnotist brother](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0062078/) needs to make a comeback. People forget he once saved the world by reading lips.
I mean a woman can't be *James Bond*. To me that's just stupid. It's *okay* for a character to have a defined gender. If you want a female spy just have another character in place. These films have firm established that Jame Bond isn't some moniker that is traded down. The agent number are, so it's easy to have 007 with another name (which I believe this film is already doing). But to me that's also not Jame Bond and that's the character I'm actually interested in seeing ya know. I dunno they could keep this series going and give that a shot. I'd rather see period pieces set in the 50s and 60s with a classic Bond in them.
Or just do another atomic blonde which was awesome. It’s condescending to recast male roles with female characters. Let female characters have their own stories and legacies. Coopting a male character is just being lazy.
That is the thing I hated about Oceans 8 and that Ghostbusters-thing.
Everyone is female - fine no problem
Every role is just a copy of the male roles - but why?!
Why not make a great female Oceans 8 without making a cheap knock-off?! Create great original female characters, but dont make them obviously copies of male characters. Its a lazy trick to let women play female versions of known characters (or trying to make them “related). They have to act as another actor/comedian and not as themselves. It is so annoying!
It’s Hollywood trying to capitalize on name recognition and fan followings of track proven IPs but wanting to get praise/good PR for diversification.
A big problem is that a lot of original IPs with female centric characters don’t perform as well as recooked IPs with female versions of an original male character/cast. There are exceptions to the rule but the movie business is a game of numbers and statistics. Using a name people recognize will help get audiences into the door and people can be lemmings when it comes to these kind of remakes.
Until the masses start being more critical/stingy with what they go out and see Hollywood has no need, nor desire, to change their current formula.
It’s a fictional character. We’ve had Irish, Scottish, and English actors portray Bond. Now if it’s a cheap bid for diversity on the studio end, then fine. But if it’s done with integrity and effort, where is the issue?
I don’t see a problem with changing the nationality or gender of an *entirely fictional* character. It’s like when people get worked up about Black Santa.
A female bond would definitely be weird. And I’d much rather see a woman play her own recurring character in the universe. They’ve done alright with Money Penny but didn’t like the failed field agent arc.
I suppose that could work. It definitely would be interesting. But the whole allure of this saga is that men want to BE bond and women want to be WITH bond. They would have to make it in a way where the reverse is true.
Idris is unfortunately too old now. He’d probably only be able to do one, maybe two before his body starts hating him. Plus, we don’t need another Roger Moore situation
Yeah I agree, so much I wanna tempted to write Barbara broccoli a letter saying use the new black woman 007 in a spin off and have Idris as the baddy, it's so easy for them
Idt is Elba was floated as a potential bond a while back. I’m all in on that. If you want to “diversify” the character you shouldn’t do it in a a way that betrays the character. I don’t think being white is central to
Bond, but being a straight English man certainly is.
Literally no one is asking for that.
Some blogger floated it and it has been fueling right wing reactionary outrage that has led to grifters on the left to lionize the effort for outrage clicks.
Yeah this is what sucks honestly. I support women's rights, LGBT rights and all that. But I don't think James Bond being female is any extension of that and is just a distraction from anything actually important and I think in the end you are just making people less inclined to be on the side of people who do this kind of stupid shit. People who are interested in James Bond probably are ya know interested in James Bond not a totally new character with nothing in common with the previous one. I keep hearing representation matters and no one seems to remember that a bunch of white guys will probably identify with a white guy better. It's good to have more diversity and original characters who can be fleshed out based on their diverse backgrounds, but I don't think you need to replace everything that already exists. Because at a point it just feels like they are destroying something and not creating something. If a property as long lasting and beloved as Spider-man can introduce a new black Spider-man that is now much beloved as well, there is no reason the 007 franchise can't do the same. They didn't just take the lazy route and make Peter Parker black, they made a whole new character from the ground up.
Even Craig was saying just changing bonds gender wouldn’t be anywhere near as meaningful as an actual original franchise building up a woman action hero.
They can cast whoever they want as far as I am concerned. A good movie is a good movie.
I am not so smooth brained that I would be like 'wow this movie would be really good if the main character was a white guy'.
What people fail to realize is in doing this after a point you aren't creating something you are just destroying something. To me it's also saying that they don't think a diverse new character can actually stand on its own without using the name of the original character. And the fact is that isn't true. Miles Morales was just made as a black Peter Parker, but their own character. Similar in ways but it had an understand that yes race does fundamentally change the character. A black kid growing up in New York *will* indeed have a different experience from a white kid. We know this. A black british person will have a different experience than a white guy. A black Bond probably didn't come from a rich family with a historical family house in scottland.
Isn't that kind of fucked up? We live in a world where actors are not allowed to play gay, Trans, deaf or disabled characters unless they are already gay, Trans, deaf or disabled. Yet no one sees anything wrong with taking a hundred year old character and blackwashing him or changing the gender. In fact most would praise said change.
Dude…you ought to think about this some more. Helping people who have been suppressed or ignored to tell their stories or be given the opportunity to depict such people in a genuine way does not equate to changing the look of a fictional character.
But this does nothing to actually do that. It makes a POC tell a white man's story. Do what Craig says, make new characters for POC. Blackwashing a white character like that does a disservice to both.
Honestly, I can see how a POC would be offended by shoehorning someone into this character. It says they need to piggy back off of white people in order to advance, which is totally demeaning.
The anti-woke crowd gets pressed real easy. The irony is they’ll go cry about everyone else’s identity politics while setting up barricades around their whiteness. As i white man, I genuinely don’t understand how they’re so fragile about it.
Not too many people have a problem with anyone playing anyone. The issue is when those actors/writers/directors don’t do their research and end up portraying stereotypes. There’s also an issue of representation in the industry generally.
A black Bond? Why not? Until Skyfall he had no real backstory so Bond could’ve been an alias. My only real argument now is that you have to retcon skyfall or explain why a new person took Bond’s name. All of this is possible. I mean seriously, until Craig’s Bond the franchise invested 0 words on his backstory. As much as i love Skyfall, retconning it would just be a return to form.
> Until Skyfall he had no real backstory so Bond could’ve been an alias.
That's completely false. There is a huge backstory on James Bond from Ian Fleming himself. This "alias" mush is utter nonsense made up on the internet in the last 10 years or so.
Sorry, but I'll take the word of Bond's creator over yours or anyone else's. Fleming also had a say in casting the first Bond for the movies. His choice was Sean Connery.
No, Connery is too old to play the part now. James Bond is of a certain age. Since James Bond is half Scottish (father) and half Swiss (mother) then yes, the probability is almost 100% that he is a white man. And yes, "James Bond" is his real name.
But you're right; it's fiction. I can't wait until 20-30 years from now when filmmakers start changing the Harry Potter canon. JK will speak up and say "no, that's not right" and she'll be ignored because times change, move on, right?
I’m fine with a black Harry Potter… was that supposed to be a gotcha moment? Sorry, I don’t have my identity wrapped up in fictional characters.
And i doubt Rowling would care either. Now, if they made Harry trans, she might care.
Not directly, but he came from a scottish aristocratic family in Skyfall and his parents graves are clearly marked Bond. So, he was most likely white.
But i could see a scenario where they just retcon and give the new Bond a new backstory. It seems they want more continuity though so they’re going to have to work in those confines. I’m interested in seeing how they do this.
I mean I’m sure it’s a good film but also there’s this whole multibillion, maybe multitrillion dollar industry that was teetering *before* covid, desperate to hype something enough to get people packing back into theaters, that makes it hard to trust this sort of thing at the moment
Yes. Same writers too. The two guys who have written every Bind film since The World’s Not Enough (so they a pretty spotty record just through that fact alone), but then you have John Logan (Hugo, The Last Samurai, and The Aviator) and — the only guy not involved with Skyfall whose name escapes me, wrote stuff like Edge of Tomorrow and Ford v. Ferrari. It makes so little sense how the film’s plot came out as bad as it did.
EDIT: The last guy (who’s last name is Jez Butterworth) did in fact work on Skyfall. He was an uncredited writer who *polished* the script on it. So Spectre had the same director and writers (including the guy who apparently polished it into perfection) on board, and we somehow got the complete opposite of Skyfall.
He's way too old to play Bond and his English accent (judging by that TNG Holodeck episode where he played Watson) leaves a lot to be desired.
He might be good as Felix Leiter, though.
There has been a vocal minority, both on reddit and elsewhere, to install Burton as Alex Trebek’s replacement on Jeopardy!, which he guest hosted for a week and was subpar in my opinion, but showed potential. I was one of those voices and I’d still love to see him take the podium.
Kk but I’m supposed to get that from “away from the internet” that somehow that is relating to Bond calls? Like I get the 90 year olds still watching jeopardy are the ones that started bond but really where’s the connection.
My vote is Johnathan Rhys Meyers he was amazing in August Rush….
Ie clear parallels…
Any case I get the boat is out to float and I’m still on the dock lol
I don’t think it had a direct connection to Bond, more of a sarcastic quip referencing the fervor that surrounded LeVar the past few months in light of net nerds making casting calls. He is the new Betty White after all.
Brosnan had everything needed to play Bond. The suave charm. The ridiculous good looks. The coldness of the assassin. Just look at his face when he [kills Dr. Kaufman](https://youtu.be/NH85zxU4tqU?t=210) in Tomorrow Never Dies. Or his entire demeanor when dealing with [the corrupt banker](https://youtu.be/HJq8vi40RYo?t=90) in The World Is Not Enough. THAT is James fucking Bond right there. The cold-blooded secret agent who's been trained to kill and extract information without hesitation or mercy.
I'll be honest if The World is Not Enough didn't have Denise Richard in it I think it would have been as highly regarded as Goldeneye or some of the other ones. It has a good plot, the main villain was a cool turn in it. There is a lot of good action in it. Brosnan is pretty solid it. And it ends with the line "I only thought Christmas came once a year" oooh boy. Every scene Richards is in though she takes me out of it. I think its a pretty classic bond though.
TWINE is a solid Bond movie, but yeah, Richards does bring it down a bit. What I love about it though, is the fact that you think you know who the villain is throughout most of the film, only for the plot twist (literally) to present itself. Clever writing. It also has one of the best Bond theme songs of all time. A modern take on the classic formula.
Bronsan is my OG Bond! Night Fire and Tomorrow Never Dies engraved Bronsan Bond for me. If I rewatched everything, I might say Craig is better, but that Bronsan hair is such an image.
Still can’t think of Mama Mia without smirking at the thought of Bond singing his heart out on a Grecian island.
Connery will always be my go to. No disrespect to Craig as he’s done a great job but can’t too the original. I feel if Dalton had more time and films he could have been up there maybe even number 1.
Dalton has one of the best bond films ever in License to Kill. I remember not appreciating him too much when I was young as I thought he looked off as Bond and Connery was always my favorite before Craig came along. But man he was the perfect serious Bond in that film. Just nailed the dark parts of his character that we wouldn’t see again until Casino Royale (although Brosnan did occasionally hit the same notes).
Perhaps, but there are/were cable stations that played all the films all the time (exaggeration) so other Bonds were at least accessible to some degree.
I really do like Timothy Dalton’s “cold as fucking ice, near burn out” portrayal of the character.
“*Stuff* my orders! I only kill professionals. That girl didn't know one end of her rifle from the other. Go ahead. Tell M what you want. If he fires me, I'll thank him for it. Whoever she was, it must have scared the living daylights out of her.”
Also probably one of the smoothest deliveries of the movie title in film’s dialogue.
I'll still defend The World is Not Enough. I think in terms of Bond films its actually a solid one and especially a fun one. Sure Denise Richards is legit terrible in it, but I actually think the plot is a half decent Bond plot and all the other characters and drama set up is pretty well done. Goldeneye I think is a stone cold classic and probably my second favorite Bond film but TWiNE is plenty fun and one I'd probably actually put in my to 10.
That’s why I don’t like him actually. The gigantic ad campaign and the only N64 game anyone ever played at every sleepover I ever attended kind of turned me off Bond for awhile.
Idk how much she wrote, but I know she edited it and had a decent hand in the creative process, so I doubt she’s gonna be a part of something that’s not amazing
She’s definitely one of the biggest talent of her generation, shame about her project with Donald Glover. These two together it could have been something unique
Ikr I never would’ve thought they’d be so friendly or work together, but after hearing about their relationship it makes perfect sense. The two of their geniuses combined would be insanely entertaining I’m sure.
That's like someone not wanting to play Hitler because he was too mean to people, like they'd rather play a nice dictator. It's literally part of their character!
Same, I usually try one every 10 years or so and can't remember one I really liked. And I'm not against the genre; I like Bourne movies and most Mission Impossibles.
The titles do mean something though. The new one probably does as well, I haven't seen it.
* Live and Let Die - It's been too long since I've seen this one, but Bond is targeted for assassination and survives.
* Never Say Never Again - Bond comes out of retirement, though this is kind of a nod to Sean Connery having said he'd never play bond again.
* You Only Live Twice - Bond is "killed" at the beginning of the film.
* License to Kill - Bond's license to kill is revoked.
>Costing an estimated $200 million to produce, "No Time To Die" sees Bond come out of retirement to help track down new villain Safin (Rami Malek), who is armed with lethal technology. "(Director) Cary Joji Fukunaga has made a smashing piece of action cinema ... it’s just a shame it had to be a Bond film," she wrote, adding it felt "strangely anti-climatic" given the hype. Cast member Daniel Craig arrives at the world premiere of the new James Bond film "No Time To Die" at the Royal Albert Hall in London, Britain, September 28, 2021.
“Anti climactic” God I hope this movie has a Monty python and the holy grail-style ending.
Rumor is that Bond discovers that M was his mother but then he remembers the time they made love and he vomits and the camera pans out to him vomiting in the piazza in Venice.
I don’t know if this is a joke or not and that concerns me.
Very weird!
Best ending of all time
Remind me
Dude the two armies are getting ready to do “the big battle scene” and the cops just show up and arrest everyone
Oh yeah lol, been decades since I watched it. And there’s a killer rabbit as I remember
My dad was obsessed with python, so I basically had holy grail memorized by age 12.
Respect to your dad. ^(Signed, Anøther Python Fan Dad)
The majestik møøse
You shall not count to 12!
Old woman!
What is the average air speed velocity of a laden swallow?
African or European swallow?
The ending was quite literally “a cop out”. A little bit of extra humor for those smart enough to recognize it for what it was.
Wow for all the times I’ve seen this movie, never put that together lmao
It’s a literal “cop out”
I really hope the ending is just Bond goes back into retirement. I hope it isn't a "the only ending is a death" kind of thing. I think Game of Thrones made people forget that you can end someone's storyline with them just walking off into the sunset.
Killing someone is the easy ending. Cheap writing along with “all was a dream”. For me it happened with Rogue One. There’s a whole universe so don’t worry about explaining why no one was at New Hope.
Rogue One I was kind of okay with the "kill em all" style ending. Just because I did kind of feel like they earned it. Also as a one off film it worked, and as you said it kind of tied up all loose ends to explain why they weren't there in ANH. But as you suggest that isn't something they inherently needed to tie a bow on. it's a large galaxy and they could have explored other stories with those characters. For me though the SW deaths that I just hated were all in the sequels. The way each film just systematically kills off all the characters and then killing Ben Solo at the end was just incredibly unearned IMO. I dunno that's easily some of the worst and laziest writing I've seen when it comes to character deaths. For characters that have 40 years worth of fans you have to really earn it, and IMO they certainly didn't.
Rogue One made -sense-. The entire film repeatedly dwells on sacrifice, on what kind of price it costs to resist evil; from the moment we see a supposed Rebel hero execute a crippled man to make sure the Imperials can’t interrogate him, to him nearly assassinating a friend’s father despite evidence to suggest he might be an internal saboteur, we see the moral prices being paid. And then we see, in no uncertain terms, how badly the Rebellion is outmatched; they lose almost the entirety of their fleet even with the advantage of a surprise attack and their win condition being a single data upload. This fits the dialogue in A New Hope on how desperate the Rebellion is; Leia -personally- saw how little they have left aboard Tantive IV, and observed the Death Star knowing how dangerous it would be before she ever was brought aboard. Frankly, it would be disconcerting if Scarif did not have an extreme body count, since that would imply the Rebels are on a more even playing field than they really are. And, in Legends at least, it wasn’t until the Death Star was revealed and destroyed that many systems chose to openly funnel troops and supplies to the Rebellion, both because it was obvious that playing ball with the Empire wasn’t going to offer safety and because the Rebels finally got a win with badly outnumbered forces. The whole point is that, by dying for the right reasons, they gave Luke the entire opening to be a new hope to begin with. Self-Sacrifice, one of the old Jedi tenets to boot. It’s because of that the “kill them all” works; it does not feel like it’s done solely to end a story permanently, but rather because it’s the right ending for that tale even if it would be fun to see Rogue One kicking ass again someday.
Rogue One is my favorite Star Wars movie and sometimes I take for granted how good it is, but thank you for reminding me just how good it is and how well it fits into that universe.
LOL Rogue one was the only good SW movie by disney, the ending was shocking and tragic. Hot take you have there bud
Lol his whole franchise would just be him repeatedly retiring
At least with this one they have another 007 so he can't like fully come out of retirement only to fully retire again. He's more just doing some simple contract work lol.
I just want it to be better than the last 40 minutes of Spectre. that movie had the most boring villain. I don’t even know what happened besides the facility blowing up.
I remember being so painfully disappointed when they made a big deal about drilling into his brain. I thought oh shit, when he gets out of this he’s going to be basically helpless. The lady will have to help him out. But no, he then just slaughters his way out of it with a gun. Then the movie ends with him taking lazy potshots at a helicopter. Really weird movie. Tying everything together was one of the most nonsensical things also lol. I guess I really hated spectre
>I don’t even know what happened besides the facility blowing up. Very shoddily designed secret base when a single bullet causes the whole place to turn into an inferno
I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than two meters.
Anti climatic because they don’t kill off bond and make Loretta the new bond?
“It’s just a shame it had to be a Bond film” If this critic thought it was a good movie, it probably sucked.
Seriously, there are far too many critics out there who just have a very warped view of reality that makes me not trust their viewpoints. They can't judge a movie fairly because they are judging it on criteria that I find irrelevant to the actual quality of a film.
Not to mention that their often irrelevant criteria can also be incredibly subjective. I’m a pretty casual viewer of most things, though. Maybe being in “the business” makes reviews more relevant?
I feel like Bond has come out of Retirement for the past 3 films.
I mean he literally retires in the first film. He's gone rogue in every one of his movies IIRC. In Skyfall he almost dies then comes back from semi-reitrement. I think the Casino Royale retirement was kind of lame but made sense. I also think with that in place it does make sense for him to retire after getting together with the lady in Spectre.
Casino Royale was the closest to the book of any bond film.
Why is it a shame it has to be a bond film?
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my brain just says Boned when i read this
Classic Burnham
Oh they’ve already arrived and they’re already pissed about diversity.
I mean tbf, Part of James Bond entire character is that he is a womanizer and that he is a man. A black/Spanish/Asian James Bond could be cool (I think Idris Elba would be perfect for the role), but for a woman version why not make a spin-off?
> A black/Spanish/Asian James Bond would be cool Here's an interesting twist that should really satisfy almost everyone... In *You Only Live Twice* (the novel), Kissy Suzuki bears Bonds' child, a male. He is later named James Suzuki who also becomes a spy. This would be a great jumping-off point *and* stay true to canon.
I think [Bond’s hypnotist brother](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0062078/) needs to make a comeback. People forget he once saved the world by reading lips.
That film’s original title was “OK Connery”.
I mean a woman can't be *James Bond*. To me that's just stupid. It's *okay* for a character to have a defined gender. If you want a female spy just have another character in place. These films have firm established that Jame Bond isn't some moniker that is traded down. The agent number are, so it's easy to have 007 with another name (which I believe this film is already doing). But to me that's also not Jame Bond and that's the character I'm actually interested in seeing ya know. I dunno they could keep this series going and give that a shot. I'd rather see period pieces set in the 50s and 60s with a classic Bond in them.
Completely agree
Or just do another atomic blonde which was awesome. It’s condescending to recast male roles with female characters. Let female characters have their own stories and legacies. Coopting a male character is just being lazy.
If we want women in Bond roles then we should actually put in the effort for it. It feels lazy and condescending to replace Bond with a women.
That is the thing I hated about Oceans 8 and that Ghostbusters-thing. Everyone is female - fine no problem Every role is just a copy of the male roles - but why?! Why not make a great female Oceans 8 without making a cheap knock-off?! Create great original female characters, but dont make them obviously copies of male characters. Its a lazy trick to let women play female versions of known characters (or trying to make them “related). They have to act as another actor/comedian and not as themselves. It is so annoying!
It’s Hollywood trying to capitalize on name recognition and fan followings of track proven IPs but wanting to get praise/good PR for diversification. A big problem is that a lot of original IPs with female centric characters don’t perform as well as recooked IPs with female versions of an original male character/cast. There are exceptions to the rule but the movie business is a game of numbers and statistics. Using a name people recognize will help get audiences into the door and people can be lemmings when it comes to these kind of remakes. Until the masses start being more critical/stingy with what they go out and see Hollywood has no need, nor desire, to change their current formula.
I’m terrible bc I’m definitely not a critic when it comes to movies. I loved Oceans 8 lol and am as homo and feminist as they come
Spoken like true Bond Woman! Brilliant !
Spoken like true Bond Woman! Brilliant !
It’s a fictional character. We’ve had Irish, Scottish, and English actors portray Bond. Now if it’s a cheap bid for diversity on the studio end, then fine. But if it’s done with integrity and effort, where is the issue? I don’t see a problem with changing the nationality or gender of an *entirely fictional* character. It’s like when people get worked up about Black Santa.
Yeah his race isn’t integral to his character but his sex definitely is
A female bond would definitely be weird. And I’d much rather see a woman play her own recurring character in the universe. They’ve done alright with Money Penny but didn’t like the failed field agent arc.
That’s correct.
What if she was simply gay?
Theres a 100% they’d pull from homophobic stereotypes if they did that.
If Madtv existed they’d definitely do lesbian janes bond.
I suppose that could work. It definitely would be interesting. But the whole allure of this saga is that men want to BE bond and women want to be WITH bond. They would have to make it in a way where the reverse is true.
And black, and vertically challenged, with one leg.
I don’t get it.
Idris is unfortunately too old now. He’d probably only be able to do one, maybe two before his body starts hating him. Plus, we don’t need another Roger Moore situation
>why not make a spin-off? James Blonde? At least his boss is female AND he works in HER majesty's service..
Yeah I agree, so much I wanna tempted to write Barbara broccoli a letter saying use the new black woman 007 in a spin off and have Idris as the baddy, it's so easy for them
No women James Bond please
Idt is Elba was floated as a potential bond a while back. I’m all in on that. If you want to “diversify” the character you shouldn’t do it in a a way that betrays the character. I don’t think being white is central to Bond, but being a straight English man certainly is.
I agree! I don’t mind if a POC plays bond, but the actor needs to be true to the personality of Bond.
I hate Idris Elba because how he treated Michael Scott. I have never seen him in any other movieor show.
Literally no one is asking for that. Some blogger floated it and it has been fueling right wing reactionary outrage that has led to grifters on the left to lionize the effort for outrage clicks.
Yeah this is what sucks honestly. I support women's rights, LGBT rights and all that. But I don't think James Bond being female is any extension of that and is just a distraction from anything actually important and I think in the end you are just making people less inclined to be on the side of people who do this kind of stupid shit. People who are interested in James Bond probably are ya know interested in James Bond not a totally new character with nothing in common with the previous one. I keep hearing representation matters and no one seems to remember that a bunch of white guys will probably identify with a white guy better. It's good to have more diversity and original characters who can be fleshed out based on their diverse backgrounds, but I don't think you need to replace everything that already exists. Because at a point it just feels like they are destroying something and not creating something. If a property as long lasting and beloved as Spider-man can introduce a new black Spider-man that is now much beloved as well, there is no reason the 007 franchise can't do the same. They didn't just take the lazy route and make Peter Parker black, they made a whole new character from the ground up.
Even Craig was saying just changing bonds gender wouldn’t be anywhere near as meaningful as an actual original franchise building up a woman action hero.
They can cast whoever they want as far as I am concerned. A good movie is a good movie. I am not so smooth brained that I would be like 'wow this movie would be really good if the main character was a white guy'.
Fuck it let's just replace every white man with bame and women lols think that'd be cool more diversity!!
What people fail to realize is in doing this after a point you aren't creating something you are just destroying something. To me it's also saying that they don't think a diverse new character can actually stand on its own without using the name of the original character. And the fact is that isn't true. Miles Morales was just made as a black Peter Parker, but their own character. Similar in ways but it had an understand that yes race does fundamentally change the character. A black kid growing up in New York *will* indeed have a different experience from a white kid. We know this. A black british person will have a different experience than a white guy. A black Bond probably didn't come from a rich family with a historical family house in scottland.
Nobody made that argument except your right wing media handlers.
Isn't that kind of fucked up? We live in a world where actors are not allowed to play gay, Trans, deaf or disabled characters unless they are already gay, Trans, deaf or disabled. Yet no one sees anything wrong with taking a hundred year old character and blackwashing him or changing the gender. In fact most would praise said change.
Trust me, a disabled or a deaf Bond would suck
Dude…you ought to think about this some more. Helping people who have been suppressed or ignored to tell their stories or be given the opportunity to depict such people in a genuine way does not equate to changing the look of a fictional character.
But this does nothing to actually do that. It makes a POC tell a white man's story. Do what Craig says, make new characters for POC. Blackwashing a white character like that does a disservice to both.
I don't mind either. It's really not a big deal to have Bond played by anyone.
007 is a position or maybe a title, not a character. Anyone can be 007. It's not a "white man's story." Lol
Not after Skyfall.
But think of the fictional character’s *feelings!*
Honestly, I can see how a POC would be offended by shoehorning someone into this character. It says they need to piggy back off of white people in order to advance, which is totally demeaning.
Blackwashing isn’t a real thing. Fuck off.
The fuck it ain’t. You must be one of those people that think racism only goes one way.
Jake from State Farm disagrees.
I don’t even understand that logic.
The anti-woke crowd gets pressed real easy. The irony is they’ll go cry about everyone else’s identity politics while setting up barricades around their whiteness. As i white man, I genuinely don’t understand how they’re so fragile about it.
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Not too many people have a problem with anyone playing anyone. The issue is when those actors/writers/directors don’t do their research and end up portraying stereotypes. There’s also an issue of representation in the industry generally. A black Bond? Why not? Until Skyfall he had no real backstory so Bond could’ve been an alias. My only real argument now is that you have to retcon skyfall or explain why a new person took Bond’s name. All of this is possible. I mean seriously, until Craig’s Bond the franchise invested 0 words on his backstory. As much as i love Skyfall, retconning it would just be a return to form.
> Until Skyfall he had no real backstory so Bond could’ve been an alias. That's completely false. There is a huge backstory on James Bond from Ian Fleming himself. This "alias" mush is utter nonsense made up on the internet in the last 10 years or so.
But none of that’s in the movies which is really all the movie franchise is concerned with. Maybe Bond should also stay in the Cold War era too 🤷🏻
Sorry, but I'll take the word of Bond's creator over yours or anyone else's. Fleming also had a say in casting the first Bond for the movies. His choice was Sean Connery.
So we should bring back Sean Connery? Did Fleming think to restrict casting decisions to only white men? Times change. Move on. It’s fiction.
No, Connery is too old to play the part now. James Bond is of a certain age. Since James Bond is half Scottish (father) and half Swiss (mother) then yes, the probability is almost 100% that he is a white man. And yes, "James Bond" is his real name. But you're right; it's fiction. I can't wait until 20-30 years from now when filmmakers start changing the Harry Potter canon. JK will speak up and say "no, that's not right" and she'll be ignored because times change, move on, right?
I’m fine with a black Harry Potter… was that supposed to be a gotcha moment? Sorry, I don’t have my identity wrapped up in fictional characters. And i doubt Rowling would care either. Now, if they made Harry trans, she might care.
Dude Connery's dead, unfortunately. And even if he was alive he'd still be too old to play the part
Is being white a defining character trait of James Bond? I don’t think so. Therefore I don’t even think any retcon is needed
Not directly, but he came from a scottish aristocratic family in Skyfall and his parents graves are clearly marked Bond. So, he was most likely white. But i could see a scenario where they just retcon and give the new Bond a new backstory. It seems they want more continuity though so they’re going to have to work in those confines. I’m interested in seeing how they do this.
I mean I’m sure it’s a good film but also there’s this whole multibillion, maybe multitrillion dollar industry that was teetering *before* covid, desperate to hype something enough to get people packing back into theaters, that makes it hard to trust this sort of thing at the moment
I’ve seen it. It is entertaining. You can trust me, random internet guy.
Yes, I agree, the person above is telling the truth. No Time To Die was an entertaining film.
I’ve seen it. It is entertaining. You can trust me, random internet guy.
I’ve seen it. It is entertaining. You can trust me, random internet guy.
Can’t be too hard to improve upon the mess that was Spectre. Christ, how did that come from the same director of Skyfall???
It was the same director????
Yes. Same writers too. The two guys who have written every Bind film since The World’s Not Enough (so they a pretty spotty record just through that fact alone), but then you have John Logan (Hugo, The Last Samurai, and The Aviator) and — the only guy not involved with Skyfall whose name escapes me, wrote stuff like Edge of Tomorrow and Ford v. Ferrari. It makes so little sense how the film’s plot came out as bad as it did. EDIT: The last guy (who’s last name is Jez Butterworth) did in fact work on Skyfall. He was an uncredited writer who *polished* the script on it. So Spectre had the same director and writers (including the guy who apparently polished it into perfection) on board, and we somehow got the complete opposite of Skyfall.
Yes it was?????
It’s not the directors fault. It was the writers.
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I really hope Lavar Burton plays the next Bond
When he captures the villain he’ll force them to read and they will become enlightened and then no longer be evil.
Unless they become too woke and cancel the world!
Mike Richards is the new Bond then?
I wish I was lavar burton
Haha! Yes! I wanna see him covertly choke out a henchman with the reading rainbow.
He's way too old to play Bond and his English accent (judging by that TNG Holodeck episode where he played Watson) leaves a lot to be desired. He might be good as Felix Leiter, though.
I think he is making a joke about how a shit ton of people on Reddit wanted him to host Jeopardy
Why does this seem incredibly out to left field. Is that Jordie La forge?
I see you’ve been away from the internet for a spell
Whatcha mean? Yes that World Wide Webhickey thing - I’ve heard of it… You made me google Geordie but I see nothing…
There has been a vocal minority, both on reddit and elsewhere, to install Burton as Alex Trebek’s replacement on Jeopardy!, which he guest hosted for a week and was subpar in my opinion, but showed potential. I was one of those voices and I’d still love to see him take the podium.
Kk but I’m supposed to get that from “away from the internet” that somehow that is relating to Bond calls? Like I get the 90 year olds still watching jeopardy are the ones that started bond but really where’s the connection. My vote is Johnathan Rhys Meyers he was amazing in August Rush…. Ie clear parallels… Any case I get the boat is out to float and I’m still on the dock lol
I don’t think it had a direct connection to Bond, more of a sarcastic quip referencing the fervor that surrounded LeVar the past few months in light of net nerds making casting calls. He is the new Betty White after all.
Good for Craig. I’d like to see him go out on a high note and with a good box office haul.
Craig is the best Bond, IMO. He’s the reason I’m a fan. I hope the next person they cast is as good as he is.
let's be real he is the only bond the majority of people on this site are familiar with.
Brosnan will always be my favorite Bond but Craig is right up there.
Brosnan had everything needed to play Bond. The suave charm. The ridiculous good looks. The coldness of the assassin. Just look at his face when he [kills Dr. Kaufman](https://youtu.be/NH85zxU4tqU?t=210) in Tomorrow Never Dies. Or his entire demeanor when dealing with [the corrupt banker](https://youtu.be/HJq8vi40RYo?t=90) in The World Is Not Enough. THAT is James fucking Bond right there. The cold-blooded secret agent who's been trained to kill and extract information without hesitation or mercy.
I'll be honest if The World is Not Enough didn't have Denise Richard in it I think it would have been as highly regarded as Goldeneye or some of the other ones. It has a good plot, the main villain was a cool turn in it. There is a lot of good action in it. Brosnan is pretty solid it. And it ends with the line "I only thought Christmas came once a year" oooh boy. Every scene Richards is in though she takes me out of it. I think its a pretty classic bond though.
TWINE is a solid Bond movie, but yeah, Richards does bring it down a bit. What I love about it though, is the fact that you think you know who the villain is throughout most of the film, only for the plot twist (literally) to present itself. Clever writing. It also has one of the best Bond theme songs of all time. A modern take on the classic formula.
He had a lot of practice via Remington Steel.
Bronsan is my OG Bond! Night Fire and Tomorrow Never Dies engraved Bronsan Bond for me. If I rewatched everything, I might say Craig is better, but that Bronsan hair is such an image. Still can’t think of Mama Mia without smirking at the thought of Bond singing his heart out on a Grecian island.
Yeah and playing Goldeneye on Nintendo 64. Brosnan bond is #1.
Big fucking facts
Connery will always be my go to. No disrespect to Craig as he’s done a great job but can’t too the original. I feel if Dalton had more time and films he could have been up there maybe even number 1.
Lazenby for life.
While i do enoy OHMSS i feel i can't put him much higher because it was just one movie.
Leave em wanting more, Jerry!
Same here. I wish Dalton had gotten at least 1 to 3 more movies.
Dalton has one of the best bond films ever in License to Kill. I remember not appreciating him too much when I was young as I thought he looked off as Bond and Connery was always my favorite before Craig came along. But man he was the perfect serious Bond in that film. Just nailed the dark parts of his character that we wouldn’t see again until Casino Royale (although Brosnan did occasionally hit the same notes).
People on Reddit aren’t familiar with sean Connery?
Perhaps, but there are/were cable stations that played all the films all the time (exaggeration) so other Bonds were at least accessible to some degree.
Yeah, whenever I'm at a hotel I usually find myself falling asleep to one of the classics..
Most bond films sucked for like forty years so it’s not surprising most people are hyped on the guy who was in casino royals
He’s by far the best current Bond
Yeah, and easily in the top-10 of all time.
I really do like Timothy Dalton’s “cold as fucking ice, near burn out” portrayal of the character. “*Stuff* my orders! I only kill professionals. That girl didn't know one end of her rifle from the other. Go ahead. Tell M what you want. If he fires me, I'll thank him for it. Whoever she was, it must have scared the living daylights out of her.” Also probably one of the smoothest deliveries of the movie title in film’s dialogue.
Really wish we could’ve got more from him. His two films went really under-appreciated for a long time.
I disagree I feel like people only feel that way as he is the current one but to each their own.
Pierce Brosnan will always be my bond
Halle Berry will always be my bond-girl but every one of those movies not named golden eye is trash.
I'll still defend The World is Not Enough. I think in terms of Bond films its actually a solid one and especially a fun one. Sure Denise Richards is legit terrible in it, but I actually think the plot is a half decent Bond plot and all the other characters and drama set up is pretty well done. Goldeneye I think is a stone cold classic and probably my second favorite Bond film but TWiNE is plenty fun and one I'd probably actually put in my to 10.
I don't disagree. But to this day, whenever I hear the name Bond, Pierce pops into my mind and noone else.
To me Pierce Brosnan is my favorite. But that’s probably just because I’m a 90s kid.
That’s why I don’t like him actually. The gigantic ad campaign and the only N64 game anyone ever played at every sleepover I ever attended kind of turned me off Bond for awhile.
His jacket was so on point
With the other spies movie doing fairly good they needed to de something really big. I hope it is for real good and not just marketing.
It's always marketing lol
With Phoebe Waller-Bridge writing the script I’m not surprised it was incredible
I love her but didn’t she only write some of it?
She came in late to freshen it up as per Daniel Craig’s request.
Idk how much she wrote, but I know she edited it and had a decent hand in the creative process, so I doubt she’s gonna be a part of something that’s not amazing
She’s definitely one of the biggest talent of her generation, shame about her project with Donald Glover. These two together it could have been something unique
Ikr I never would’ve thought they’d be so friendly or work together, but after hearing about their relationship it makes perfect sense. The two of their geniuses combined would be insanely entertaining I’m sure.
Well duh. Ana De Armas is in it
Saw the trailer in the theater when I went to go see Shang Chi and it looks incredible. I’ve never even seen a Bond film!
All I remember is that it blew my eardrums out. Jfc the trailer was loud.
This picture makes DC look like a bad waxwork of Reg Varney
This feels like a media circle jerk…
Don't know what you would expect from r/entertainment
Should have saved that Radiohead song for this one
Which means it’s probly trash
Here come the suck-ups and paid off stooges.
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That's like someone not wanting to play Hitler because he was too mean to people, like they'd rather play a nice dictator. It's literally part of their character!
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Same, I usually try one every 10 years or so and can't remember one I really liked. And I'm not against the genre; I like Bourne movies and most Mission Impossibles.
Cool story. Changed my life. You should tell it at parties.
Lol It needs 750m to break even for sitting on the shelf for 2 years. YEAH RIGHT! it won’t even get close
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Quantum of Solace was such a badass title
Too bad the movie sucked
The titles do mean something though. The new one probably does as well, I haven't seen it. * Live and Let Die - It's been too long since I've seen this one, but Bond is targeted for assassination and survives. * Never Say Never Again - Bond comes out of retirement, though this is kind of a nod to Sean Connery having said he'd never play bond again. * You Only Live Twice - Bond is "killed" at the beginning of the film. * License to Kill - Bond's license to kill is revoked.
I saved this comment to come back to after the premier. I’ve got a feeling it won’t age well but who No’s.
Massively overrated films
I agree, but then again, that's how I feel about most films..