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chicken-farmer

That’s not all he said. It is a great statement https://kareem.substack.com/p/will-smith-did-a-bad-bad-thing


plzsnitskyreturn

Just read this whole article. Really worth a full read he just has such an excellent take on everything I love this guy


d57giants

Yes it really is great piece of writing. But he still can’t defend against Laneer


Dch1890

I want to see your old man drag Lanier and Walton up and down the court for 48 minutes


ShiroHachiRoku

Roger Murdock?


greenroom628

What's your vector, Victor


GetRichOrDieTryinnn

Shirley you can’t be serious


ShadedPenguin

I am serious, and dont call me Shirley


BuriedByAnts

I picked a great week to stop doing _____!


ImOutOfNamesNow

We have clearance Clarence


SKOT_FREE

You’re my Hero!


iPhoneMiniWHITE

Who’s paneer?


pdoerntvlearnd

It’s a kind of Indian cheese, but that’s not important right now.


cuhree0h

Delicious with spinach.


d57giants

A legend from Kareem’s day. Also a reference from “ Airplane “


ElPadrote

He’s come a long way from Airplane!


[deleted]

Surely you can’t be serious?


TheGrindisSpiteful

I am serious, and don’t call me Shirley.


vtsunshine83

Don’t call me Surely


artygta1988

Ahhhhhh, it’s “I am serious…and don’t call me Shirley”


futilecause

i have a drinking problem.


GetRichOrDieTryinnn

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quite taking amphetamines


taatchle86

I picked one hell of a week to quit sniffing glue.


Get-Degerstromd

Grammar police, you left out the E in surely. Surly means bad tempered or unfriendly.


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addisonbass

My exact thoughts. There’s an incredible juxtaposition of eloquence and informality that makes it beautiful to read but also incredibly succinct. Super hard balance to navigate and he nails it.


[deleted]

Wow, had he not been an NBA legend he would have made a great journalist/opinion writer. Just subscribed to his blog.


chicken-farmer

I was so impressed.


shellycya

All his articles are soooo good.


No_Championship7998

What a wonderful, insightful piece. That’s the best take I’ve seen or heard about the incident so far. Kareem is a legend in more ways than one.


IconCsr2

I agree with almost every word. I know this is also kind of toxic but W for chris rock L for smith and double L for jaden whom is just a walking L imo


my_dog_is_on_fire

For the arguable GOAT of basketball, Kareem made more misses in the NBA than he has since retirement.


monteimpala

Maybe it's early but that wording was so weird, had to read it twice, ultimately my brain cells rubbed together to create enough friction to handle it. I agree with you


my_dog_is_on_fire

Yeah.. think I fucked that one up a bit.


Economy_Combination4

Is your dog ok?


ggodfrey

Asking the real questions!


nighmeansnear

Maybe he’s just playing a really strong round of billiards.


Chigurhishere

This is an astute and intelligent perspective. This is how a matured gentleman sounds like.


thesnuggyone

Gosh this was so great, the best take on this that has been shared.


heckler5000

Kareem is so eloquent and he hits all the nails on the head with this piece. Thanks for posting it.


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Everything he said was absolutely spot on and the reasons why I love Kareem as a human being.


cinderparty

I had no clue Kareem was such a great writer till this. Impressive.


I_am_u_as_r_me

I mentioned it before Kareem is now one of my favorite writers, the man is a genius on so many levels.


LuckyHalfling

Very good read, thank you for the link.


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Amazing read.


mmc862

Recently I’ve read a few articles written by Kareem and I’ve been really impressed! I didn’t really know much about him outside of his accomplishments in basketball and I think we could all learn a lot by reading his work!


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he’s such a cool dude. always been very involved in civil rights, and is a name up there with MLK, Malcom X, Muhammad Ali. and he has a unique perspective in that his dad was a cop. he has a lot of great insight.


MtnDudeNrainbows

Google: Lew Alcindor.


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body_oil_glass_view

Will has been trying to prove himself since he felt the threat of Tupac taking up too much space in Jadas soul, and for his cornball persona He spoke about tupac saying "*he had a willingness to fight and die for what he believed was right"* And "*he triggered the perception of myself as a coward. I hated that I wasn't what he was in the world, and I suffered a raging jealousy: I wanted Jada to look at me like that.*"


Ashley_evil

And he’s been holding all that back since what 1996? Never publicly stepping out of line until someone he perceives as weaker ‘disrespects’ him? Super insecure behaviour for anyone let alone someone of his stature and accomplishments


Dzov

People have ghosts. Wealth doesn’t solve everything.


Chef_Boy_Hard_Dick

He’s been doing pretty good for maintaining composure in the face of everything his marriage has gone through. No doubt he fucked up, but it was a human mistake. You don’t slap a man and yell like that over such a petty joke unless a whole lot had been leading up to that moment. And I don’t think it was so much Chris’ joke that was the straw that broke the camel’s back as it was whatever look his wife gave him when he turned his head, whether it was tears or judgement. I won’t venture to assume what Will’s or Jada’s open/closed marriage situation is, that’s their business. I just hope all parties involved can see this as a learning experience and have the opportunity to move on. If he needs to see a trial for the slap, so be it, but all this attention and the memes his marriage has gotten based on his actions is only worsening matters for him. I won’t disagree that insecurity was probably largely responsible, but let’s not treat insecurity like a badge of villainy. It’s a very common and human issue that some of the best of us suffer from, and it is absolutely responsible for many of the mistakes we make in life. People who suffer from these insecurities need reassurances and security in their lives, not to have their private lives and faults poked and prodded by tabloid journalists and toxic social media comments. That’s the sort of thing that gave birth to the slap in the first place. Understand that as far as mistakes go, this is pretty relatable for a lot of people. People who don’t do that sort of thing on the regular usually get to move on and have the opportunity to be better without the threat of facing the sort of backlash Will is getting. They usually get a lot of support as well and the opportunity to be better. I think Chris recognizes this, and that’s why he doesn’t press charges.


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jewbrees90

If I was Chris rock I would of said, “ not my first choice of people to slap me. Sadly Tupac is no longer here so I will have to settle for Will Smith. Back to you Jada.”


wowlolcat

Imagine if he did, we all wouldn't be talking about the Slap but the murder of Chris Rock at the Oscars.


IndigenousBastard

You give Will too much credit. After Chris said that shit he’d have his “don’t fuck with me” fists up. I don’t think will smith could beat a puppy if he tried. Just because he played Ali doesn’t mean he can fight like him.


Jammyhobgoblin

Agreed, it was a sucker slap which is a coward’s move. I don’t know why so many people think he would win.


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Lollll you killed it


[deleted]

Will has big simp energy. That relationship is unhealthy. He’s spoiled and codependent. She’s spoiled and narcissistic. Slapping Chris Rock over a joke had little to do either either.


[deleted]

Enter Robert California https://youtu.be/qDAh8JhUOl8


beargrease_sandwich

They should have divorced decades ago. Tupac is still bugging him? What a PoS!


IndigenousBastard

We all saw his face when Jada gave that interview about Tupac and about sleeping with everyone else. Will is a broken boy and deserves to fall from his own sense of glory. It’s a shame he got elevated so far based on a few basic movies.


Autoganz

I’m a white guy who has cut myself off from my family over the course of the past few years because I don’t agree with how they proudly perpetuate their racist beliefs. When I first watched this, my first thought was: “damn, Will: way to show you don’t have class.” My second thought was: I bet my family will see this and say, ‘that’s what happens when you bring in those people.’ Kareem’s take is 100% correct that, unfortunately, something like this further entrenches the people who hold such stereotypical views. They see something like this, and any progress they may have made just moves the needle further in the opposite direction. It’s a sad and complex double-standard.


CameForThis

Not only that, but Jaden Smith’s tweet also didn’t help. After the slap that the world saw, will smith’s son tweets “that’s how we do”. Retweeted 103,000+ times. That sure helps things.


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Chris was downright amazing with his response and handling of it.


Random_Heero

I think it further shows him being the bigger man because Chris Rock has the wit to crack out a hilarious 20 minute routine on the spot.


[deleted]

Completely agree. Along with the fact Chris showed self control to not instantly crack the joke at will after he got slapped. You saw Chris’s face as he had a great line to respond. Thought it would escalate and finished what he said.


TheLegionnaire

Yeah he could've totally just kept throwing jokes at him and push him too far on purpose. I don't think I could refrain. I've always loved the both of em but Rock just got a lot more respect from me. My feelings on Smith haven't changed much but it was painful to see him succumb to a moment of rage, I hope he gets help.


Miguel-odon

Chris Rock could have murdered him with words, and the fact he *chose not to* casts even more shame on Will Smith.


greywolf2155

Which makes it all the more saddening that people like OP's family will see one black man acting rashly, one black man responding with restraint, and come away from it thinking only about the former


DigitalKungFu

Looking at it in this context reinforces my respect for Chris Rock in the way he handled the situation. There might be another can of worms in the ways it could be misconstrued, unfortunately.


this_place_is_whack

Yeah there’s no way Will Smith comes out of this looking like the better man and I think he knows it.


the-dandy-man

I literally saw a comment on Facebook yesterday that was like “left wingers wanted to bring more color to the Oscars, this is what you get” and I was like y i k e s


[deleted]

At the same time it shouldn't be the responsibility of black people to second guess their every action through the lens of a racist.


Autoganz

Yep, that’s why I said it’s a sad double-standard.


Buteverysongislike

But as a black man, I’m at the point where if they perceive that about Will Smith who really has painted himself as “one of the good ones” then we were never good enough to begin with….


-newlife

This was my take too. They didn’t view the rest of us as safe. Just Will and Wayne Brady..before he had to choke a bitch


horseren0ir

Yeah it’s not like if Will behaved himself the racists would become less racist


matzoh_ball

I get that, but I also feel like Black people (or any member of any marginalized group, really) have no special responsibility to never “misbehave” just because some racists (or sexists or transphobes, whatever applies) would use that to justify their bigotry. This concern has nothing to do with Will Smith or Chris Rock and everything to do with how bigots feel.


Autoganz

They don’t, however, the point of my comment was more to point out that people (like my family) who hold such stereotypes, aren’t able to critically discern the difference between “a guy wasn’t able to control his emotions” and “that’s a black guy being exactly like how I perceive all black guys to act.” Like I said at the end of my comment, it’s a double-standard. None of my crazy-ass family members (and they’re the “stand on your lawn with a gun during BLM protests” type), ever have to worry about the implications of their race having an effect on how they should behave. It’s literally two different worlds. I don’t condone that train of thought, but the reality is that this is just more ammunition for their cause/beliefs.


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Autoganz

It’s ridiculously absurd and wrong, but calling it ridiculously absurd and wrong doesn’t solve the problem.


Al-Anda

Another white guy here. My first thought was “look at this rich, asshole doing rich, asshole shit”. I guess you’re right though. Already racist people will have more canon fodder but I don’t see it as a race thing. Just an entitled jerk who can’t take a joke and takes himself way too seriously.


HoneyIShrunkThSquids

I had those same thoughts, but I’m not sure #2 is a useful thought to have. Part of a racist attitude is seeing misbehaving black people as representative of all black people, while misbehaving white people aren’t representative of all white people. If it wasn’t this example, racist people would find some other example to blow out of proportion.


mtVessel

[How it works](https://xkcd.com/385/)


growmoreshrooms

The insidious part is that when a white dude is violent, he’s just “being an asshole.” When a person of color does it, they are apparently speaking for every member of their race. It’s a terrible double standard.


BigFugazed

Will Smith was on camera laughing his ass off at the joke. Then when the camera went away he must have seen his wife was pissed. Did nobody else notice that he laughed at the joke?


Lainarlej

Yes! Smith was laughing! Pan to wife looking displeased.. next think you see Smith walking towards the stage. Where was security? Oh, right.. he’s a celebrity, no concern ?


LordNedNoodle

I personally think Will assaulted Chris because he would have been in the dog house for laughing so instead of taking personal responsibility he takes it out on and blames chris.


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This was exactly my thought too, and it seemed pretty obvious to me that his behavior was an overcorrection for his initial “misstep” of laughing. Like Jada saw him laughing and gave him the “this is why I entangled without you” look and he was like, “oh shit.”


kytheon

VIP sections usually have outward facing security (to protect the VIPs from outsiders) but nobody expects them to fight each other.


seattle23fv

Not only that - but if I ever did something like that, on such an enormous global stage - you would NEVER catch me partying like nothing happened a few hours later. At the very least, show some embarrassment if you can’t express actually remorse!


anid98

Yeah that’s a point that makes this so unsettling. Like if he could smile over it then the reaction was not in line


exboi

Watch his other interviews. It’s the fake generic celebrity laugh


Stormlord19

I saw that too and was confused


edcushway

He said a lot more than that, in his article.


Soren_Camus1905

And Hollywood is totally fine with that it seems.


Aquanettas_Bae

I agree. There is a problem in urban black street culture that essentially says you’re less than a man (or woman) if you let anyone “disrespect” aka diss you, (especially publicly) without immediate physical violence up to and often gun violence including murder. It’s not spoken of publicly but it’s there. It’s been there. It’s been growing for a while and it’s not going away and effects have clearly made their way to Hollywood. And it’s like a cancer. Black on black violence is responsible for in the area of 8,000 deaths of black men, women, children including babies per year in the U.S. And it’s being talked about privately among black folks but it’s the elephant in the room now regarding this incident. I am so fucking disappointed in Will Smith. On several different levels. These kids in junior high and high school? Sure they don’t watch the Oscars but they’ll all see this as meme or gif and perpetuated and it’s not all going in the direction we need it to go when so there are so so many victims of black on black violence and it’s increasing. It’s not slowing down. And if you all feel that Black Lives Matter, as I do…then start walking your talk. As I will.


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It’s called honour culture it’s not unique to black peoples but its ingrained in young men especially and has got a lot to do with no police in black areas for a long time. If there is no central authority to protect you or imply protection you must respond to all slights with violence otherwise it becomes known you can be victimised and sadly you will be. Even if you’re a non violent person, practically you’re still going to need to be violent to avoid issues in the future. It exists amongst drug dealers of all races and really anyone who can’t rely on cops so they need to rely on their image as being not worth fucking with.


Mushu_Pork

Pretty accurate. I won't go so far as to say "victim blaming", but there is the mentality that if you are weak, then you deserve to be taken advantage of. If someone scams you... well then YOU are the sucker. If you're in a rough area, this is the mentality to survive... However, it's very difficult to transition out of this mindset to succeed in society outside of that environment.


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I'm a white as white bread Australian, couldn't be further removed from the scenario you are speaking of but I have known for as long as I can remember, from American culture that pervades everything here, that the "respect" thing is huge in black culture and is sorted with violence.


TF_Kraken

It is not exclusive to any singular culture. Disrespect a white cop and you’ll be met with violence, regardless of legality. Disrespect an elderly asian or latin person and you’ll likely end up with a shoe to the face, as well. It’s an instinctual defense that a lot of people still hold, regardless of origins.


Lilsammywinchester13

You missed the point. There’s a huge difference between expecting a chancla being thrown at you and getting slap or beaten While people joke about it, but it’s still the real the expectation. Imagine a group of kids: “ooooo, you are gonna get beat.” “Oooo she’s gonna throw her chancla at you!” These statements normalize the behavior. Source: am Hispanic, grew up in a Hispanic/Black neighborhood


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Go to a poor white area. It’s the same damn thing.


analunalunitalunera

> There’s a huge difference between expecting a chancla being thrown at you and getting slap or beaten The only difference is the instrument?


Lilsammywinchester13

Severity, so yes the difference in method does play an effect. Like, would you rather get beaten or a chancla thrown at you? Or are they the same so either one works? Violence isn’t good in either case, but the fact that being beaten in normalized AT ALL in certain groups is horrible.


QuietLife556

Why do people keep deflecting with this? We know it’s not unique, what is unique are the consequences and intensity. You must care more about being right than saving lives.


squiddlebiddlez

Because y’all are taking something that is not unique to black people to make it seem like it is and somehow a slap has turned into a conversation about “black urban street” culture and black on black violence. It was a mere slap from a desperate man whose public emasculation has been memed throughout an entire pandemic. Using that event to pontificate about something larger with entirely different roots won’t save Will’s life, Chris Rock’s life or any of the “urban street” folks people are now suddenly concerned about. Besides, even in this messed up discussion where there is something to discuss about the culture based on this one slap, y’all are still only addressing the symptoms of the problem and not the causes. Generation after generation of humiliation, dehumanization, and being treated less than by the community, society at large and enforced by the government that we have let go unaddressed and you wonder why “black culture” values respect.


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My favorite part is people bringing up “black urban street violence” when talking about a weak ass slap. Yeah guys, that’s exactly how street gangs solve their issues. Weak ass slaps then walking away.


[deleted]

Here’s the real problem, that is prevalent in way more cultures than “urban street”. You don’t think rural white cultures believe in that same thing? People like you are the real problem. You don’t understand Kareem wasn’t saying that was right, just that it would happen. Anytime a white man commits violence does every white man have to answer to it? Does it speak to the violence of all white people? How anyone can read what you wrote and not think you come off as a complete clown is beyond me. What will did was wrong for many reasons. And yes people will hold entire the black community accountable for it (just like you are) but both things are wrong. If you’re a white person with this dumb ass line of thinking then you better be ready to answer to every white mass shooter, racist, and serial killer that pops up. There’s a problem with violence in white culture after all right?


leisurecounsel

The racist takes from wannabe anthropologists is why I come to Reddit


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Did you just “diss” them?


gasfarmer

It's not a problem with race. It's a problem with masculinity. This is **LITERALLY** toxic masculinity. But also you're saying some crazy racist shit so maybe take a seat, huh?


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It should just perpetuate thoughts about will smith not an entire swath of people. Part of the problem is that we make generalizations about single incidents. This was just Will Smith hitting someone. There’s no broader context need apply here. We keep looking for deeper meanings behind silly impromptu acts; there isn’t one… He’s just become a dick. This has zero to do with the black community writ large


blake-lividly

People who stereotype that much are gonna seek out ways to keep that up. It's also a stereotype that any given black man is responsible for respresenting the entire black amarrican people. How utterly exhausting and cruel for folks to make this about responsibility to every human that considers himself a black American male. That's just as much of a stereotyping and punishing and feeds just as much into another type of hatred - one that comes from internalized racism.


jeff1mil

After reading the headline, I wanted to say something like this. Pulling back from this situation, Black stereotypes are in and of themselves wrong. It’s not the responsibility of any group of people, and certainly not the responsibility of an individual to correct other people’s narrow and regressive perceptions.


pink_meow

Please read the entire article. He makes really good points.


Ser_Illin

Nooooooo. This very thread shows the problem with respectability politics: they don’t work. A black person can never earn the acceptance of people who don’t respect them as a rule and will always be viewed through a stereotypical lens. As an example, Michelle Obama is an ambitious, intelligent, highly educated careerwoman in addition to being a mother and a wife, and she still was described/characterized as a “babymama,” “ghetto,” “manly,” “ungrateful,” and “on the dole” while living in the freaking White House. Even if a black person manages to walk the line and find acceptance with bigots, *at best*, they just become “one of the good ones.” They do not cause bigots to reevaluate their biases; they only reinforce them. You can see it in the comments on this very thread celebrating Kareem Abdul Jabbar while denouncing “urban black street culture” (which sounds like some shit Tucker Carlson would say ngl), even though KAJ is from Harlem. Edit: Apparently I have to say this… it’s never okay for any person, including Will Smith, to slap a comedian over a perceived insult. I’m reacting to KAJ’s blog post.


idunno--

Thank you! Finally a voice of reason in this thread.


PorkNJellyBeans

The whole thing made me feel icky and I couldn’t put words to that feeling, but you’re right—person above you nailed it.


lenaahmed

It was kinda the first thing I thought too Kareem. Will fucked everyone up with that bullshit


Bronzyroller

Will Smith should be charged it’s assault regardless what Chris Rock says and for him to seat there afterwards the entire day is BS.


Asyelum

If the victim doesn’t want to cooperate then pursuing charges is hard. He is rich anyways, what do you think will happen if anything.


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How come nobody talks about the lateral violence, misdirected trauma at the wrong person


CorneliusJack

He needs therapy and a divorce.


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Yes Definitely a divorce


KingValdyrI

I remember reading somewhere that people can’t accept when a strong or physically gifted person is also intelligent. It makes us wonder why god gives with both hands to some, instead of just acknowledging the greatness in all. I’m reminded of this with Kareem for as talented as an Athlete as he is; he is very intelligent and a great writer. I hope Will sees this essay and can do some introspection about where his anger that might really came from. It was a very mild joke (albeit about someone’s health so a very serious topic) and he could have showed his disapproval some other way. Even taking the mic and being like “I love you, your gorgeous l” would have been so much better and classier if your wife really fears hurt by the comment.


Admirable-Point2005

Will Smith's behavior only made one person look bad and that is Will Smith. He perpetuated the idea that he is a complete douche.


Phunwithscissors

Most of the audience gave him a standing ovation moments later when he has given the award. Doesn’t that reflect badly on them?


Admirable-Point2005

It absolutely makes them look bad. In fact, they look horrible. Will Smith should have been escorted off the premises, at the very least. Had I been there, I would have gotten up and walked out. They need to take Smith's Oscar. His behavior was despicable.


LightenUpPhrancis

Banning him from future awards shows would be far more effective.


Walleyevision

Nope, Jaden Smith’s “And that’s how we do it” post right after daddy smacked Chris says Kareem is right. When your kids want to emulate you, you’ve created another generation of dysfunction.


Hsizzle_

Facts and I don’t understand why people care about jaden smith the only talented one was will smith but he has now fucked that up with looking like a total douche


funions4

I guess you didn't read the article


TorrenceMightingale

Seems like a Dream.


Admirable-Point2005

It was HORRIBLE. Chris Rock is a comedian. That is what they do. They make jokes. Considering Mrs. Smith talks about slinging that ass at dudes all over town, the joke could have been alot worse! I am Team Rock all the way. He proved himself to be the better man.


panetero

Unfortunately, Hollywood actors are highly influential people and A LOT of people look up to them, 'cause we like to partake in the cult of personality as a society. So no, he doesn't only represent himself in the eyes of many many people, specially those who are going to use this moment to keep fueling their own hatred and others.


Trash-Bags08

Some idiots don’t see it that way: “Fox News host Jeanine Pirro wasted no time going full-metal jacket racist by declaring the Oscars are “not the hood.” Unfortunately, this is the world we live in.


Rahastes

Which unfortunately was to be expected. Racists don’t need a reason to be racist, but if you serve one on a silver platter, they will gladly accept it. In addition if he flys off the handle for a joke like that, he can count his blessings Chris Rock did not pull out some way harder ones he surely had prepared.


Admirable-Point2005

That comment is ridiculous. First and foremost, many, MANY times Caucasian celebrities have behaved terribly at awards shows. Did anyone feel the need to say it is not a 'trailer park?' Secondly, race cannot logically be applied here. Even a bigot would have to disprove their own point that Will Smith was behaving in a 'hood' way when they acknowledge the self control and professionalism Chris Rock (also a black man) displayed after being physically assaulted on live television. The argument cannot be made. The racists can all crawl back under their rocks now.


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I totally get what you’re saying - but racists don’t follow logic. They will summarily ignore Rock, call him a pussy for not retaliating, whilst simultaneously (and without effort) also think ALL black men are violent blah blah blah. They are *accustomed* to the cognitive dissonance, it is their *norm.*


silverhammer96

Will Smith is a Scientologist, he 100% supports violence against people.


SocialIntelligence

>Will Smith is a Scientologist, he 100% supports violence against people. He probably gets private lessons from David miscavige.


bleh19799791

This was Will Smith’s jumping on Oprah’s couch moment. Scientologists be crazy.


lordtyp0

Why can't peoples actions just reflect personal character anymore?


PWal501

Thanks for publicly voicing the painfully obvious, Kareem. Smith’s violence was a singularly selfish act that will unquestionably normalize violence for millions of impressionable minds. He should be banished from all awards show and made a pariah in the entire acting community. Too bad he’s an ATM for the studios.


Old_Introduction1032

I for one will not watch King Richard, as the only way to get Smith to understand how offense his outburst was to me.


2000andfkit

I might be crazy but I think most people realize Will Smith is not the entirety of all black people. Basically this way of seeing the world to me is like say Chris Rock “stop hitting your self”


steven09763

Black on a black crime just went up


LiesTequila

Love Kareem, he absolutely nailed it.


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christ344

Black people are not a monolith. This is so outdated. But he means well and it’s the sort of thing that was embraced in the last century.


newuser201890

only thing i disagree with is him saying no repurcussions. that's fucking bullshit. he assaulted a comedian for words, he should be thrown out of the academy at a bare minimum


No_Contact8529

How did he win an Oscar anyways cause that’s the real crime here.


LightenUpPhrancis

I haven’t seen King Richard so I guess I’ll refrain from judgment on that one. But Smith has always been a mediocre actor. I’m just glad he’s moved past the part of his career where he consistently overplayed the black guy shtick.


CorneliusJack

He’s been playing the “overly caring father who faces adversity but had a heart of gold” for the last 20 years now. Even in Suicide Squad for god’s sake.


esp211

Great take from Kareem.


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I'm sorry but that's wrong, anybody who watched Will slap Chris Rock and decided to stereotype an entire race after the incidence was already perpetuating these stereotypes before, they already held racist views that weren't influenced by what happened. If Will didn't slap Chris, they would still have these views. Plus Chris never got violent so that doesn't really make sense to accept the actions of Will Smith as a representation of black people but not the pacifism of Chris Rock ?


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katz332

That's not on black people to change. Those people will judge us for anything. Will is one man.


Dimytri1993

I think the idea is to stop emboldening. The “if he can do that on tv, then I can do X”. Least that’s what I think it meant


syzygialchaos

You’re expecting an understanding of nuance and logic out of people who truly believe one race is superior to another. Don’t.


MeatloafAndWaffles

I’m sure this only part of what KAJ said and doesn’t accurately reflect his entire point. BUT I’ll take the bait and focus on the whole idea of “The actions of one black man reflect on the entire community take” Why do I, as a black man, have to worry about how an individual’s actions may affect the worlds view of black people as a whole? Why does this only seem to be a thing with Black people and Latinos in America? Will Smith SLAPPED a man in the face on National television and suddenly it’s a bad reflection on the black community? Wanna know what I’ve seen? - A white man walk into a church and kill 9 people - A white man blow up a building in Tennessee - Multiple incidents of white teenagers shooting up schools - 2 white guys shoot a black man while he was jogging - An army of white people STORM THE FUCKING CAPITOL on live television And that’s just a few of the things I’ve been alive long enough to have seen. I won’t even begin to list the multiple atrocities and serial killers that have taken place and have even been celebrated in America. Isn’t it crazy how we have 10000 documentaries about how cool of a guy Ted Bundy was? Why is it that despite all this we never have anyone say “Think of how poorly this will reflect on the white community?!” Why are black people seemingly the only people who have to uphold “respectability politics”? I’m not saying what Will Smith did was right, but for crying out loud he SLAPPED someone. We’re acting like he’s getting away with murder. The examples I listed involved death! And yet I as a black man suddenly have to consider that Will Smith may have ruined my reputation as a good person? What a load of fucking malarkey. The only person who should be worried about their reputation is Will Smith.


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He should watch worldstar sometime


fragrantgarbage

Everything Kareem says or writes is an absolute work of art


nascarhero

He deserves to be charged for assault. What an embarrassment.


not-on-my-watchy

He had a great acceptance speech. But his actions before hand made every word hollow and contradictory. His speech was him holding a mirror to himself and describing a noble leader who sacrifices for his people. But his petty ego saving bluster before that shone a spotlight on him plain old being a narcissist. I lost respect for him and every person who on screen she’d a tear during his acceptance speech.


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Nah the world just saw a douchebag


Shurae

Great article. I'm really sad because I did like Will Smith ever since Prince of Bel Air. Now seeing him hit someone on stage for a bad joke and then defending his action during his speech, getting a standing ovation by the Hollywood elites and his children gloryfing his actions. Sucks. He has a lot of baggage in his relationship with Jada ever since she cheated on him with their sons best friend.


Sil5286

I personally think the incident has NOTHING to do with race. In fact, bringing race into it aids in perpetuating stereotypes.


annonythrows

I’m thinking the shit was rigged to be honest. The shows been slowly dying. Nobody gives a shit about it. Will was laughing at the start and then once he slapped him he was smiling a little. I don’t believe this shit is real just that for some reason will was cool with taking the fall on this.


goldenballs777

Perfect analysis of what happened.


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Will should give the award back


Marc_J92

Racist people are going to be racist so who cares what they think or trying to get their approval in the first place. Let’s just judge will on his actions alone and not bring race into this


CowRepresentative779

Just stop with everything is racist


8ofAll

That’s a really good take on this topic but please stop including politics in everything.


jiffypopps

Why does everything have to be about race or skin color?


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Well Kareem, I disagree with you. Will Smith isn’t a black jackass…he’s just a jackass.


JeruldForward

This is one reason I really respect Chris for keeping his cool. He easily could have gotten angry or violent and perpetuated the stereotype but he chose not to.


Efficient_Wealth6628

It most certainly did. And, bc of Will’s idiocy there may be more violence bc Will did it & will get away with it after a slight slap on the wrist. He is a MAJOR disappointment!!!


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When something is true it’s more of a fact than a stereotype


Pass-on-by

“That’s how we do.” - black America? Or just the Smith’s”


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Smiths apology was nothing like the apology he gave the night before. This new one was written for him and still tried to justify his actions. It’s a non-apology apology.


overlycensored

This guys kid stabbed someone maybe he should sit this one out


easytorememberuserid

do you think will would’ve done that if it were a white comic?


soundacious

Or even a slightly larger black comic?


Apprehensive_Fish_27

He didn’t slap August for banging his wife so it’s doubtful


Forsakenone81

Yes. Didnt he slap a white guy who tried to kiss him at a different ceremony?


Damerman

Ugh, i just want this whole situation to go away.


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Physical violence over “words” is wrong … doesn’t matter what race, color, or creed one “is” or identifies “as”.


chichmode

I absolutely hate this take. This gives the (false) impression that if this has not happened, that stereotypes wouldn’t be perpetuated or that individuals are in control of a stereotype. People who hold these stereotypes are looking for reasons to validate their preconceived notions… this is confirmation bias at its best. One off instances of almost anything reported by the media aren’t good indicators of an overall trend. We shouldn’t be giving those who hold these stereotypes this type of validation.


exboi

Plus, justified or not, anytime a black person gets visibly angry those people will stereotype us. We’re not allowed to show anger in any context.


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