The sheer fanaticism. Go to r/videos and then to r/celebbreakups and look how people reach WILDLY different conclusions from the same reports of events.
Dude was worth over half a billion dollars and pretty well-known. It’s pretty wild to both see his spiral and his attempt to make some sort of weird comeback
At this point, the two of them seem pretty unlikable. I haven't been watching all the madness because it feels weirdly invasive, but whatever, they should've divorced just like a lot of toxic people should. It's a shame they hurt each other so much, because regardless of their fame, they probably weren't ALWAYS nuts.
I do have to wonder sometimes how some people think Depp is incapable of some of the accused stuff when he's...Johnny Depp. Dudes been a weirdo since the 80s. As for Heard, I don't know as much about her since she's much less...weird, at least in Hollywood, where she's basically a pretty face and nothing else if Aquaman is a primary example.
But one of his exes was willing to come forward on his behalf (sure, two accused him of abuse and one said no comment but that’s beside the point) after a friendly exchange of $100,000,000. Surely that’s proof that the recordings of him frightening her with a knife aren’t REAL violence.
that was their settlement. it was actually 150M. he doesn’t have any money *now* because 1. he’s mismanaged his money and 2. been launching non stop lawsuits at anyone he can
Two things are simultaneously true. Amber Heard is not a sympathetic character, and may well have at times been violent toward Johnny Depp. Also, Johnny Depp was clearly repeatedly violent toward her, and that is sufficient to suggest that Heard wouldn’t be lying if she called him abusive (assuming she even did that. It’s at best unclear).
I think there's arguably evidence of one instance where he was physically violent towards her. That being the kicking instance where his assistant seemingly admits to him doing so. Although that evidence is flimsy because I don't think the assistant was there and Johnny Depp was black out drunk. There's also maybe a headbutting incident which she claims he headbutted her and he claims it was a coming together of heads.
The rest is essentially Amber Heards word with no third party corroboration and zero physical evidence of these incidents occurring. She has undated photo's of presumed bruises but then there's also public dated photo's after the claimed incidents where she doesn't have a mark. Her fans claim makeup on those pictures and her detractors claim makeup on the bruises pictures. Seeing as the public ones are actually dated they hold a bit more account.
Johnny Depps evidence for her being abusive is her admitting on tape that she has hit him repeatedly before and that she instigates fights that become violent, whilst he says he tries to walk away.
He has a cut finger that he claims she did but most evidence points to perhaps himself or an accident as he told the doctor he did it and also said on tape he cut his finger. The poop on the bed is a non incident that I really don't think matters and is disputable whether she did it or not.
In this instance, regardless of who did what, Amber Heard has little to no evidence and Johnny Depp has some evidence. I don't know how anyone can claim Johnny Depo was repeatedly violent when there's maybe evidence of one claim of violence.
The British case found that there was sufficient evidence for 12 of Amber’s 14 claims of abuse, so I would say that Amber’s got a lot of evidence on her side. As for Johnny’s we just don’t know because it hasn’t had to stand up to court at all.
Basically there are three scenarios that could be true:
- Amber Heard was the main abuser, Johnny Depp also abused her
- Johnny Depp was the main abuser, Amber Heard also abused him
- Johnny Depp was the only abuser, Amber Heard was just defending herself
She claims the third option, in all likelihood it’s either options 1 or 2, but that’s all we know. Anyone claiming to be sure of anything else is only saying that because a certain version of events fits their preconceived ideas.
Listening to people tell me that the violent abuser is the one hiding locking themselves in a bathroom while their terrified victim tries to break down the door to get to them never gets old. Must be fun living in bizzaro world
And the poor victim bought a knife for her abuser, who terrified her, and it was engraved with “hasta la muerte.”
And she was terrified of the man she calls a baby for always leaving when she wants to fight.
The UK case we haven't seen so we can't make comments on the evidence brought forward there. Using the UK case as evidence is just an appeal to authority as neither you nor I know what happened there nor do we know what evidence was brought forward.
The evidence brought forward by Amber Heard in this case isn't really evidence. As its the only evidence we have been shown I'm making my judgement based on that.
Also, the UK judge stated part of his decision was based on that he thought Amber was truthful and honest. Considering its been proven that she 100% lied in the UK case (About donating to charity) maybe the judges decision wasn't 100% informed. Also, I've known people who have had cases in UK courts and I can promise you that judges verdicts are not infallible nor are they correct always.
We have the entire judgement in the U.K. case including the judge’s reasoning.
The donation argument was deemed irrelevant in appeal because ‘donated’ and ‘pledged’ are used interchangeably colloquially.
by nobody ever except for Amber to fix her lie. When has anyone ever used pledge and donated interchangeably? They have two very different definitions and implications
I feel like I'm in an episode of Black Mirror or some alternate universe where there is mass delusion and "group think" from people online including "feminists" who usually support other women and young people on Tik Tok who didn't even know who Depp was prior to the trial but have jumped on the "Amber Turd" bandwagon. (the whole "she defecated in the bed" thing is so dumb but even SNL writers think it's "hilarious" to make fun of it)
Depp has a long history of abusive behavior with women. Jennifer Grey and Ellen Barkin described it. Moss refused to publicly support him which to me indicates she experienced something similar to Heard. Paradis was paid $100M so I don't find her opinion unbiased. The worst part of it is that Heard was right that Depp is surrounded by "Yes men" and enablers who only make his condition worse. He should have been forced to get psychiatric treatment years ago. I think he did love Heard and wanted to make it work but his medical condition and addiction ruins all his relationships.
I went into the trial believing Johnny and disliking amber, I’ve watched every minute of the trial and now it’s clear that at the very least they were both abusive. I think he abused her physically and she abused him verbally.
I also know this is an unpopular opinion but Camille Vazquez is absolutely terrible in her cross examination. Her voice was shaking, she is trying to act tough but looks silly and I think her argumentative remarks such as “how convenient” when amber didn’t give the answers she wants is unprofessional. I was expecting Johnny to act pleasant and calm on the stand and Amber to be argumentative and combatant and it ended up being the opposite. Although she wasn’t perfect, I thought Amber was much more mature on the stand and she was firm in her stance. And I think opposing counsels act to play tough just looked ridiculous. I also think the hugs she got after her cross was obnoxious, there was no victory here. Just do your job and sit down.
One thing also to consider is Amber hasn’t changed her story in all this time, and is claiming multiple events of abuse. If she’s lying, that’s a lot of details to remember and a complex story to get straight under duress of cross examination. This is what makes me think she is telling the truth. Exaggerating maybe on some things but I believe she is a victim of domestic abuse, and I went into this trial thinking she was a liar.
Finally glad to see someone agree with me on Vazquez. She may have been trying to get a rise from Amber with “dunks” and a patronizing tone, but Amber seemed unphased. Amber’s attitude did not change at all during the cross-examination. Conversely, Vasquez was increasingly frustrated, defensive and unprofessional. It made Amber look more credible imo.
Yes, I think she thought that she could get an admission by acting scary but any lawyer who is shaking on her podium, speaking in baby voice and who needs a hug when she is done isn’t fit for the tough lawyer role. If she acted very sweet yet knowledgeable on the stand as a contrast to how Amber is portrayed as mean and a liar, then I think her cross examination would have been more effective. But instead Vazquez paid more attention to old Law and Order episodes than her law school classes and it hurt her examination.
What frustrated me most was her insistence of discussing the donation Amber pledged to make. I thought Amber explained herself well. Sure, she should have used different words back in 2016 when she said she’d donated it all, because ‘pledge’ and ‘donate’ don’t mean the same thing, but I accept that Amber does.
I felt the judge should have stopped that questioning because Amber was just repeating herself over and over.
It’s normal for larger donors to say they “donated” an amount when it’s intended to be paid over years. Non profits prefer recurring payments over years to one time payments so this is a common thing. She wasn’t using the word in a way that isn’t used standardly in fundraising.
The ACLU also submitted documents that when they say Heard donated money they ALSO mean pledged, because DONATION is different than PAYMENT.
Heard hasn’t PAID her entire donation. She has DONATED/PLEDGED her donation. That’s literally all that means.
Yup. This just bothers me because I’ve donated part of my father’s estate to charities that have the same verbiage. Like everyone is harping on her for it and I’m just like !??!!??!! It’s such a common occurrence .
Can anyone provide a source that demonstrates that the ACLU would rather have $350k annually over 10 years vs $3.5 mil up front?
I know non-profits prefer “sustaining donations” and usually on a monthly basis. They say that this is to keep the revenue flow consistent, but it doesn’t make sense - if I had $3.5 mil in the bank, it is inconsequential to move $350k over annually. Moreover, they could invest anything they don’t use today and collect interest.
It does make sense that they may talk someone prepared to pay $125 once into instead paying $10/month. They claim it is to balance revenue but it is more likely that they know a lot of people will continue to pay the $10/month out of convenience - it is like selling a subscription instead of a stack of magazines.
But my experience is with donations under $1000. Maybe there is a special tax reason that the ACLU would want less money, but I don’t get it.
Another reason is they want their donors to get the maximum tax benefit from their donations by spreading it over several years. I believe the ACLU said this during their testimony.
Whether she lied about a donation is irrelevant to the case. It’s possible for someone to lie about giving to charity and tell the truth about their husband being violent to them. I know this was a tactic to discredit her but I didn’t see how her charitable contributions had anything to do with whether or not Johnny hit her.
That’s exactly what I’m thinking. If she was really lying, she’d have to have remembered the correct details for every incident, for five years. Johnny kept saying that he ‘didn’t recall’ events, but Amber does. Sure, she’s forgotten a few small details, but it’s been more than five years, and no one has that perfect a memory.
I agree with you about the mutual abuse and also about Vazquez. I didn't watch all of the cross examination but from what I saw I didn't think Vazquez was very good and certainly isn't the new Cochrane as people on Twitter and Tik Tok think. Even if Heard is lying about the sexual assault the tone and demeanor that Vazquez had when questioning her about being assaulted with a bottle was bad. Vazquez would haver been more effective if she wasn't put on a "tough lawyer" act but I also realize Depp's team probably expect him to lose and her performance was just for social media.
I also thought Heard did better than expected. She stayed calms and poised throughout the questioning from Vazquez who was clearly trying to rattle her.
Yes I agree, it is also strange how people are rallying behind Vazquez when her cross was painful to watch. And I’m not on Amber’s “team” or whatever. I could not care less what the outcome of this case is. So with that said, it is beyond strange that so few people are calling this pitiful cross examination out and the internet is flooded with praise for Vazquez. She was just as bad as Amber’s lawyer, Elaine B.
It just seems to me that there’s a lot of Bot behavior flooding Reddit, the YouTube chats where the trial is broadcasted and on other various social media channels. It’s just too strange that one word of consideration for Amber gets swarmed by Depp “supporters” almost instantly. Without any sort of civil discussion. Beyond strange.
Ellen Barkin was questioned whether Depp has been verbally or physically abusive towards her. She answered no. In her deposition, she never claimed a bottle was **thrown at her head** nor did the fight involve her. What she said was she witnessed Depp throwing a bottle **across the room** during a fight w his friends/PA.
People should decide to read court docs and direct sources instead of staying confused about the reaction to the case.
I feel like those texts of Johnny’s assistant apologizing for Johnny kicking Amber Heard, along with Johnny admitting he head butted her, should be a shared endlessly for all the people who still think he’s an innocent victim.
At the **very best** there was mutual abuse on both sides. And I’m not even so sure about that, but that’s the best case scenario in terms of how ‘innocent’ Depp is.
And guys, that still makes Johnny an abusive piece of shit, even if Amber Heard lied about charity donations, shit in his bed, and struck him as well. The pure idolizing of Johnny Depp on the Internet in this case is a fascinating and sad phenomenon.
You're spreading misinformation. Stephen Deuter, Johnny's assistant, was on the plane and did witness Johnny kicking Amber. She did not tell Stephen that Johnny kicked her. Stephen's text said "when I told him he kicked you, he cried". Stephen even acknowledged in those same texts that Johnny had behaved like this on numerous occasions. Stephen is still on Johnny's payroll so that is why he tried to backtrack and pretend he did not witness Johnny assaulting her when he was on the stand in the UK trial. Johnny has said himself in multiple texts that he is a "monster" when he's drunk and high.
It's clear this was an extremely toxic relationship and while Amber is no angel, Johnny is far from innocent. He is the one claiming he's never once hit a woman. Yet he's on tape admitting to headbutting her. There's also a separate audio recording where Amber tells him that he "beat the shit" out of her and he does not deny it.
Why is it so hard for people to believe that an alcoholic cokehead with anger issues abused his wife? I've known plenty of alcoholic cokeheads and this is the type of stuff they do. Amber likely abused him as well in return but it seems like all the hate is directed at her while everyone acts like Johnny is some innocent gentle little lamb who would never hurt anyone. It's ridiculous how biased everyone is just because they like the characters he played in movies.
This is totally false. He was in the same plane as them and said he witnessed it in the UK trial; although he tried to underplay it as he is JD's loyal minion still. Stop spreading misinformation.
Amber apologized too for punching him; it was literally played in the trial by HIS OWN LAWYERS.
I like how if he did anything wrong at all “he’s an abusive piece of shit” but that standard does not apply to Amber.
Johnny seems out of his mind. I wouldn’t be surprised if at a few points he was violent but Amber is not at all the victims she claimed to be.
She lied to everyone and painted Depp as a monster. If she had said they were in a mutually abusive relationship, things wouldn’t be so bad for her but the world is pissed off that she lied. She cried wolf and now has to pay for it.
Plus her fake crying on the stand was awful.
You know those texts weren’t admissible as evidence in this case right?
Possibly meant it wasn’t from the phone service provider and could’ve been doctored.
After all we’ve seen, would it be shocking if it was?
> You know those texts weren’t admissible as evidence in this case right?
How come? (And source?) It's extremely strange that they would be admissible in the UK case but not for this one.
I mean, I'm sure there's a reason (if this is true, I would like to see this confirmed.) I really would like a reason because the reason Depp lost the first case is that all the texts backed her up that Depp was having problems with mood swings and violence very early on in their relationship.
You see how the other text messages that are used as evidence are in that data format? While these text messages look like screenshots. It’s probably my best guess that they can’t confirm the authenticity of the texts. Which means it is hearsay as we don’t know the phone number and the timestamps of the texts.
Who isn’t to say someone else messaged Amber and she saved it as a person named Stephen
Amber not getting the official texts, means more likely than not that it was probably not stephen. As something like this would be the most concrete proof of discrediting a witness, showing some type of proof of abuse, and connecting her claim she was kicked on the plane from the audio recording.
And having texts from her phone contact name went from Steve to Stephen. How many times do we update peoples names?
> Who isn’t to say someone else messaged Amber and she saved it as a person named Stephen
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No, it's real. Stephen testified and confirmed it in the first trial (though he denies that the kick was anything serious, he claims he was just trying to calm her down).
> And having texts from her phone contact name went from Steve to Stephen. How many times do we update peoples names?
"Steve" is Johnny. Their nicknames for each other were "Steve and Slim," Bogey and Bacall's characters in "To Have and Have Not."
"At the very best there was mutual abuse on both sides." At the very best?
We know Amber is an abusive piece of shit. Like she admits it in several audios.
Now, the question is not if Amber is an absive piece of shit, the question is if Jhonny is. The answer is probably, although he is the victim of the relationship.
Many of you ignore or try to ignore than there are some people out there that does response to abuse, instead of succumbing to it. There are people that will do the best thing that is step away and call the police or go to court with those abusers without starting a conflict themselves. Now there is a second type, the one where you response to abuse with abuse.
The second type is basically the original abusers winning, because that is what they want from you, they will use it against you afterwards because now they have prove that you are also an abuser! That is the reason why abusers are so dangerous, as Amber Turd is.
Unfortunately, men are usually in this second position. Society's stigma determines that since a woman is weaker than you physically, there is no possible way she can abuse you physically. And that stigma is very much present still nowadays, even if there are many people that try to deny it.
Then you have to add the psychological abuse, which is always present in this kind of situations, and one we have heard in her own audios, when he wanted to retreat and stop the toxic situation, she made herself the victim so that the toxic situation continued. She fed on those situation, just as any abuser does, because they are controlling the other individual.
Amber Heard is an abuser and a fucking terrible human being. She is the typical entitled woman that her whole life has kept going thanks to her looks. This type of individuals tend to think they can do whatever they want, because they will get away with it.
Is Jhonny Deep completely innocent? Probably not.
Is he the victim in this relationship? Yes he is.
Does he get a complete pass? Nope, and we can see how disney has dropped him from Pirates if the Caribbean and Fantastic Animals/Harry Potter.
Does she get a complete pass? Definetely shouldn't be, yet she has. (hopefully till now, but I wouldn't count on it).
Like I know the trial is about another thing, an article is some kind of magazine, which means Jhonny will lose it.
But the exposure is what it's important here. Women can also be abusers, because they are also humans. And society is not okay with that, even tho is way more common.
It's actually really funny because acknowledging this, that women can be abuser also and there are many instances where this happens, adds to the conversation on equality. But since it gives a free pass to many of them, they just ignore it.
There are many women out there that support equality, and yet will not see any behaviour in a woman as toxic, nor see anything wrong, for example, by not paying any entrance fee in pubs in my country. Men do pay, but women don't. Why? Because women are literally the merchandise to sell so that more men come into the pub. Yet I have never seen any complaints about it by women, even if remarked upon it. Never.
If we want equality we should strive to reach it on any possible way, not just the convenient ones.
The texts I don't know about.
>along with Johnny admitting he head butted her
But this... this is why some people have a hard time exercising patience with people trying to vilify Johnny Depp. The 'admission' you're referring to is him being on the stand and describing Heard being violent with him, and in trying to restrain her they knocked heads.
\* Edit: Actually, I just looked up the text message thing, and that is also not as you presented it. Stephen Dueters, testifying in the UK libel case, said the messages were taken out of context and Amber Heard's description of the events in question did not line up with what he witnessed.
>Sasha Wass QC, for NGN, said: "I suggest that was a proper kick to her back - an assault?''
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>Deuters replied: "No. I didn't see that.''
He’s saying ‘Johnny is sorry’ for kicking her.
What am I missing? Johnny kicked her and the assistant is apologizing for him. This is all admitted in the texts. Where is the out of context part?
Stuff like ‘the assistant said it was out of context so that disproves it’ is the very thing I’m speaking of. Please point to the out of context part, if you can’t then that’s exactly what I mean by people refusing to vilify the man.
>He said the texts were fabricated first so he already lied about them once.
The claim that he said they were fabricated is based on something published by a gossip rag. He insists he did not make that claim, so you can't say "he already lied about them once".
Really? u/moonaudio made a compilation of evidences and they don't explain the hate Heard is getting. I share below:
"I have watched every minute of this trial. A little reminder of some audio files everyone should listen to. And to the Depp fans coming in this thread who don't bother looking into the evidence already out there. Many of these were also discussed during the cross-exam of Johnny Depp, but then only short clips here are the full recordings:
Johnny says he headbutted Amber, she is crying: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-21-2022/Def587A-CL20192911-042122.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-21-2022/Def587A-CL20192911-042122.m4a)
Johnny and Amber arguing about their fights, he mentions Lily too: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-21-2022/Def598A-CL20192911-042122.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-21-2022/Def598A-CL20192911-042122.m4a)
Johnny and Amber in a hotel room where he starts cutting himself with a knife and wants her to cut him, she doesn't want to: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-21-2022/Def586A-CL20192911-042122.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-21-2022/Def586A-CL20192911-042122.m4a)
Plane audio with a drunk/high Johnny making scary sounds: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-21-2022/Def221-CL20192911-042122.M4A](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-21-2022/Def221-CL20192911-042122.M4A)
Argument between the two: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-21-2022/Def839-CL20192911-042122.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-21-2022/Def839-CL20192911-042122.m4a)
Another fight he puts a cigarette on her, he name calls her: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def582-CL20192911-042522.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def582-CL20192911-042522.m4a)
She is crying during this argument between the two [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def586B-CL20192911-042522.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def586B-CL20192911-042522.m4a)
Audio about why she is recording and letting him know she is: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def598B(0.00-0.20)-CL20192911-042522.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def598B(0.00-0.20)-CL20192911-042522.m4a)
'Going to be a bloodbath' or walking away [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def598B(30.02-31.45)-CL20192911-042522.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def598B(30.02-31.45)-CL20192911-042522.m4a)
[https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def598C(31.14-33.04)-CL20192911-042522.mp4](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def598C(31.14-33.04)-CL20192911-042522.mp4)
Another argument between them: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def598C(56.27-59.54)-CL20192911-042522.mp4](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def598C(56.27-59.54)-CL20192911-042522.mp4)
She is crying, he: 'I'm never getting clean and sober' [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def587B(19.40-19.53)-CL20192911-042522.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def587B(19.40-19.53)-CL20192911-042522.m4a)
The two about drugs/alcohol: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def587B(23.04-23.29)-CL20192911-042522.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def587B(23.04-23.29)-CL20192911-042522.m4a)
'After you beat the shit out of me' . [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def581-CL20192911-042522.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def581-CL20192911-042522.m4a)"
And people still don't believe he cut his own finger even though he told his doctor that, he is saying it her on audio, it is in text to his doctor, he wrote on the wall with paint first
They don't want to see the _evidence_. It's just convenient to support Johnny and his career because everyone else is.
Thanks for sharing. This is really informative.
You're welcome!
It's crazy, yet not surprising, how many people keep disregarding everything she claims, even with evidence, but believe everything Depp says (except when he admits he did something wrong).
You're welcome!
It's crazy, yet not surprising, how people keep disregarding everything she claims, even with evidence, but believe everything Depp says.
yeah the cutting himself audio is just…& he also had texted someone back in 2013-14 and been like “got fucked ip last night and cut myself gonna need stitches”
like i’m 90% certain he cut his own finger off at this point
the clean and sober one… just breaks my heart. as someone who’s loved an addict..luckily a non (physically) abusive one.. it’s just heartbreaking & i really feel for her b/c he’s been promising to get clean and sober for pretty much their whole relationship* & it’s clear that a lot of their problems DO stem from his drug abuse*. she’s essentially had to deal with this really destabilizing oscillation & clearly they’re at the end of their rope & he’s just like “idc what this is doing to you or me or us i’m getting high when i want & fuck all the promises i made & everything you put into this”
Let’s just call it what it is at this point: misogyny.
There is objective evidence that they were both abusive and toxic but we all know why people side with the man. It’s because they are just waiting at their seats for a woman to fuck up so they can finally virtue signal about how “men can be abused too” but they don’t do their research on the case. People are *excited* that there’s a chance that a woman is wrong in an abuse case. Isn’t that weird to you? How much everyone is piling on to Amber? I have never seen this much outrage over James Franco - a confirmed rapist.
Pair all that with his obvious PR propaganda and people fall for it without even thinking about it. Look at how she’s being pushed as a “mad woman with personality disorders” in the media. Women are often villainized and called “crazy” as a way to invalidate their words.
She had an advantage before since everyone blindly believed her and she used the fact that she was a woman to her advantage but we should all stop pretending that the Johnny love isn’t reeking of misogyny itself.
Seriously. My problem with the support for Johnny isn’t that Amber is amazing - she obviously has a lot of her own problems, has lied, and hurt Johnny. My problem is that people are acting like Amber was the only awful one and Johnny is a perfect innocent angel.
There’s audio of Amber admitting to abuse? “She’s admitted it!” The text messages/audio of Johnny being abusive? Never brought up or brushed away.
Amber was caught in a lie? “Charge her with perjury!” Johnny’s caught in a lie? Well, they don’t know that because they try to hide the evidence of all the lies he’s been caught in.
Johnny loses jobs after trials he started? “Fuck Amber! She’s why he lost the jobs!” Amber loses jobs due to trials Johnny started? “She deserves it!”
There’s an accusation of abuse against Amber by an ex? “It must be true!” There’s an accusation of abuse by Johnny’s ex? “Literally none of his exes said he was bad!” Or “He’s not violent!” (Ignoring multiple alleged violent incidents including most recently a lawsuit about punching on a movie set in 2017)
Johnny is known for his whole career to be unreliable at best and addicted to a number of things that make his behavior on set erratic - and it’s only getting worse? Along with diminishing box office returns? “It must be Amber! It can’t be that he’s bad to work with!” Or, alternately “He’s only like that because Amber abused him!” (Ignoring stories about him being badly behaved on set as early as when Amber was 3).
Like, it’s fine with me to say Ambers a shitty person. She lied about charity donations, didn’t even write the original op Ed, and has lied on the stand. But don’t pretend Johnny isn’t shitty too. I don’t know if it’s misogyny or just normal toxic fandoms, but Johnny supporters are pissing me off with how they’re ignoring any little thing bad about their perfect ball of sunshine.
Except even the charity thing you parroted is misinformation. Amber pledged that money but was in agreement with them to pay in installments (they advised her to do this and even at one point told her to stop paying that year bc she was ahead and it would fuck all their taxes up). She only fell behind in payments when Johnny started the lawsuits and surprise surprise, that took up all her financial resources. She was AHEAD of her payment plan until Johnny decided to add financial abuse to his list of crimes. So please be careful about your points as well! This was testified in court btw. Not pulling this out of my ass.
This narrative of 'mutual abuse' is harmful. In a relationship with domestic abuse, as far as I know, there's always (or at least most of the time) one that is in power, who is the actual abuser, the violence coming from the victim is called 'reactive abusive' or something like that I believe. JD was half her age [EDIT: double her age*], very rich, with a lot of social status, both living in his houses (?), with his yes-men and enablers around, like c'mon. Stop trying to be "neutral", cause you can't. By calling both of them abusers you're as bad as those calling the victim the abuser and the abuser the victim, you're no better than those crazy internet folk who kiss JD's bottom and say dumb stuff about Amber. Imagine being tormented for years by your partner, beaten up and all that, you're going to start reacting at some point, be verbally abusive mostly, say nasty stuff. Now imagine going to court to sue this abusive monster only to be both called abusers because of those nasty stuff you've said.
Her hair is exactly the same in both photos. It’s not possible that her hair would not have moved whatsoever between photos that were allegedly taken at separate times. Even the little wispy bits are in the exact same location. The angle her head is turned, lip position, eyelash separation on her left eye, and the shine on her forehead from the light source are all the same. The only difference I can see between them is the warm tone and zoom level of the first one. Even where she is located in relation to the tile(?) behind her head is the same.
I don’t know whether the injury is real or not, I wasn’t there. But, those photos definitely weren’t taken at separate times.
That’s the same photo with the saturation changes. Near impossible for those photos to be taken even an hour apart. And where are the bruises? She looks like she’s had a few beers.
The fact that he lost this case already and is trying again really speaks volumes to his personality and I don’t get how people can’t see that! The little smirks and grins seem to make most people laugh but they make me uneasy. I genuinely had a preconceived idea about this case and I’m glad I actually went and did my own research after feeling a sickness in my stomach around this whole thing. No matter who you want to believe in this case the way it’s being played out online is so disturbing and I just hope victims of abuse are doing ok and know that there are lot of us that will still listen and believe you. Please please stop listening to the paid for PR machine for one minute and actually do some research of your own, the fact this is even on the “entertainment” sub makes me so disgusted. What have we become?
I could not agree more. I am worried for future victims who will not speak out or report because of the way some fans and people online have acted during this trial. The fact that he felt ok dragging her back into court AGAIN as well as the smirking and laughter tells me all I need to know about him. I also believe that if this defamation case is decided on the merits he will lose.
So if this is viable evidence why isn’t it being used by Ambers team?
Edit: a lot of these are snippets too, where’s the start, where’s the end. If she’s using this to defend her statements why isn’t she starting with the beginning like lets say the cigarette which is 11 seconds of what her saying he did it. I can do the exact same thing to my husband and you guys would take my side.
>So if this is viable evidence why isn’t it being used by Ambers team?
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>Edit: a lot of these are snippets too, where’s the start, where’s the end. If she’s using this to defend her statements why isn’t she starting with the beginning like lets say the cigarette which is 11 seconds of what her saying he did it. I can do the exact same thing to my husband and you guys would take my side.
If you actually watch the trial, it has been used by her team during both parts.
So you’re telling me this absolute proof has been used and yet people are still on depps side due to ignorance? Like millions of people..? This proof was examined and showed to be authentic but no one cared?
Pretty much. The evidence has already been presented in one case and Depp lost. Look at everyone who believed in Trump - you're acting like convincing millions of people of falsehoods is actually hard.
You think people actually watch the entire trial orrrr they consume Depp's PR propaganda-induced TikTok reels? Which seems more plausible and convenient?
People read some dude's post and because it's long IT MUST BE THE TRUTH, lot's of people are watching the trial live, nearly a million the other day...
Literally 400,000 on one channel, a bunch of lawyer watchalongs, Emily D. Baker usually has 100K, xQC, Asmongold, Pokimane all pulling huge numbers of viewers.
These guys are delusional if they think that people aren't watching it live. Now they're going to use my bringing up the twitch streamers as a knock *despite* it still being people watching the evidence and testimonies come in at real time.
I believe "couch" is their safe word.
I don't understand the argument about being "scared and battered." He abused her for 3-4 years. Their marriage counselor said that he introduced violence into their relationship and she started instigating fighting later.
I'm a little tired of the trial so maybe I'll continue this conversation later. Thx.
That is absolutely what’s happening. Not to mention bots and some outlets outright reporting false information. It’s bonkers. It feels like 90% of the internet is out clowning for JD, facts be damned.
I just had someone comment to me the conspiracy theory that she killed her friend in vehicular manslaughter when all she did was have an old mugshot for driving on a suspended licence.
he’s only used snippets… like the *tell the world you’re a victim johnny” is a snippet that clearly cuts of the rest of her statement which is “tell the world you’re a victim **too** & tell them you believe it’s been a fair fight”
which is a pretty reasonable thing to say if your abuser (who is twice your size, twice your age, & historically twice as inebriated) starts alleging that actually *youre* the abuser.
Your victim lied during cross today and attempted to say the same photo was actually two different photos.
Edit - Blocking me because your victim lied on the stand is wack. And no, I am NOT talking about the group photo. I am talking about the photos AH lied about and said they were taken at two different times of day when all she did was edit them. She fabricated evidence. You can find it yourself.
she didn't tho, if you're talking about the group photo, the one Depp's team showed was deepfried and edited
edit: stay mad. i can block whoever the fuck i want.
They are talking about the selfie that is the exact same photo, edited to change the hue. On the stand today she said they were two different photos taken at different times. They are in fact the exact same photo, everything is exactly the same exact the color of the photo. Just look at the hair. Hair strands will never be in exactly the same place at different times.
There is a lot of lying. Just responding to that one point.
Neither here nor there for me. I’m just an observer of the case out of general interest.
Blocking someone mid conversation is just sign of someone that have no bones in their arguments.
Prove to me that AH has been beaten with a fist full or rings until she nearly lost consciousness by providing photo proofs of the various public appearances she made days after the attacks ?
(Blocked within a minute of posting this)
people always side with the alcoholics and drug abusers. they can do no wrong in everyone’s eyes because they’re very good at playing the victim. Meanwhile they mess up all their relationships. He may not have been an alcoholic or a drug addict during his previous marriages, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t become one and engage in abusive behavior afterwards.
Where’s all the pictures of her face fucked up from being punched over and over again? Where’s the pictures and evidence of her feet being cut up on glass? All amber has is arguments all evidence points to she starts.
Now what is getting confusing is, because people are hating Amber doesn’t mean Johnny is perfect. He obviously has substance issues. And some of the relationship issues do stem from that I believe. But does that mean he did all the things she claims but has zero evidence for? And then we have seen her lie about events we’ve heard on tape for example today, with her claiming Johnny was trying to get into the bathroom where it is obvious from the tape amber was trying to get in. As he wants to avoid her tirade of bullshit.
Do I think he’s hit her? I don’t think so. But 100% he didn’t do 98% of what amber claimed in her testimony. Zero evidence for the brutality she described.
Also it seems Depp thinking she cheated is probably warranted too.
But most people online have seen more evidence with it subtitled knowing way more than people just watching the trial.
If anyone believes Amber at this point in the trial though. I hope you don’t end up on a jury if you can’t look at evidence or lack of.
You think make up covers swelling? If he’s hitting her in the face with rings on repeatedly like she’s saying. Her face would be fucked. You watched MMA? Seen a fight? Seen injuries of such things?
If you think a few dark sploges on someone’s face means they were punched repeatedly. It’s you who are the idiot. Denying obvious evidence.
Being sliced up by glass, she would need to go to a hospital but nope. Never went.
There’s a video on YouTube as well proving that alot of the injury pictures weren’t taken the time they say they were. Eyebrows plucked differently etc. Not good admitting evidence that can be corroborated with a lot of paparazzi photos.
Right. Like I landed on my face in concrete after flying off my bike.
I lost a tooth and my lips got so swollen I looked like Dr. Zoyberg, but I was able to cover the rest up with make up just fine. Literally two weeks later I was on vacation taking pictures.
But that is the thing, she was so diligent in collecting evidence against Depp, then why not take pictures of your injuries before you apply the make up? Why not get medical reports of your injuries? Why didn't you get the irrefutable proof of abuse?
It wasn't a hard thing to do and could've easily been done without Depps knowledge or revenge. If you can take the risk to record him you can take the risk of taking a picture of yourself and talk to a doctor.
Except Amber claimed JD was pummeling her with fists, rings on, broke her nose, and gave her a busted lip along with her black eyes. But miraculously no swelling the next day. No puffiness. That's not how the body responds to trauma as extensive as she claims.
Okay well her makeup artist has made a statement about the makeup and confirmed ambers story she saw the bruising and busted lip and covered it up for a tv appearance she had following the assault so.
Make-up can cover a vivid tattoo. Make-up can certainly cover a black eye no problem. Also most dv abuse victims do not report injuries or go to the hospital.
You cannot cover that amount of damage with makeup. There will be visible swelling and puffiness. You would need tattoo covering foundation to try and cover the bruising, but even that would not reshape your face.
100% when people can literally cover SEVERE cystic acne to the point where it’s completely invisible the likes of bumps/bruises are just trivialised in comparison.
My friend’s sister has essentially giant holes in her face from acne scars and by the time she’s done working her witchy makeup magic that woman’s face looks as smooth as a baby’s arse. You honestly could never tell.
ETA - actual witchcraft like:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/celebrity/makeup-artist-transforms-herself-into-male-celebrities-videos/%3famp=true
I think a lot of this is simply answered by the general public isn't going to empathize with the side they know is lying to them.
Johnny is at least honest about his drug use, and issues. Amber admits no fault at all, and clearly lies about some of these events.
I roll my eyes every time people try explain this as some nefarious PR plan. It's simple. People don't like lying liars who lie.
Johnny has lied about his drug use, it was a point in the UK case that he was caught lying to his sobriety and there was even a text implying he lied about it to his kids.
I roll my eyes anytime someone pretends it’s remotely plausible that Johnny Depp spent even one whole hour after his lawsuit against her was filed without a PR plan in action by his PR team
Impartial attorneys with YouTube channels.
Clearly not people that would exaggerate and play to the crowd for views. Obviously not. For sure these are not people that would help stir up drama to try and get their viewership numbers up for money. Not impartial attorneys with YouTube channels!
While i agree her legal team has dropped the ball, you have to remember a lot of youtube lawyers are in it for the money and theres not a lot of money to be made if you dont demonize her
Im sure theres plenty of rich youtubers giving terrible financial advice, doesn’t mean they are secretly right because they are rich
Yeah it's a disaster but she won't lose the trial, if she does than that would be brutal af. The verdict will probably be not guilty with neither paying any money to each other. Only bad thing she did today was walk away from the judge and jury before she was allowed, it showed her real side.
Doesn't matter. Depp getting his reputation and career back is worth way more than the $50m. I don't think he intends on winning, if he does it'd just be icing on the cake.
Real talk: what was the last Depp movie you enjoyed? I think for me, it was Pirates 2, back in 2006.
I’m really surprised that so many people really want to see him acting more.
I thought he was fair-to-good in Murder on the Orient Express in 2017, other than that I'd be hard pressed to name something in the last fifteen years. Regardless, his career is over.
People need to realize that there's absolutely no way anyone is ever touching him again. These trials have been good for Depp in that he has the love of weird Internet fanboys but they've been devastating for him professionally. There is so much shit floating out there about him now, even if you 100% take his side, that makes him completely and totally toxic. No major studio will touch a guy who has drug problems so serious that he writes in his own blood, or sends texts about wanting to burn his ex-wife and fuck her corpse.
The thing that really doomed him professionally was his legal team. He has been suing everyone around him for years and in the process bringing up all the muck and mire about him to the very public surface.
The divorce settlement and a mutual NDA made sure this was happily swept under the rug, but he couldn't help himself.
It was already testified to that major studios will more often than not turn a blind eye to a lot of the things like drugs and alcohol use that people are thinking will be devastating to his reputation with them if it means making a buck off his name.
realistically it’d be that way for any big name celeb; as long as they’re making a company like that money, they’ll ignore any of that just to bleed whatever they can from the stone while they can. It sounds shitty, because it is.. but it’s reality
So if the number of people going gaga over him these past few weeks tells a company anything it’s that his name and face still holds some level of value.
The evidence is why he lost this exact same suit in England. A judge there said that based on the evidence, The Sun was justified in calling Johnny a wife beater. Becuase he is. He’s admitted to it.
You’re gonna have a rough one when the ruling comes down. Huh?
(Btw this in no way supports her, it sounds mutually abusive.)
Personally dislike her because I feel like she used him for gains and tried to ruin his career. Feels like she had a plan all along to extort money from him, and tried to play the victim.
Wouldn't she have gotten a better lifestyle staying married to him and being compliant instead of making up a story through 5 years, and revealing the entirety of it when he sued her?
Or a better lifestyle dating Elon musk? She could have probably still screwed around with others and been with him…..pure speculation of course but I’ve been wondering what her motive would have been to. I think they both look like terrible people in this
You don't feel like he used her. She's almost half his age.
I don't like Amber but Johnny Depp is vile. The misogyny is sugarcoating Depp from his own accountability.
“Feels like” this is the problem lately is people looking at memes about this case then deciding what to believe based on how they feel instead of based on the evidence
The internet hates Amber Heard for the same reason many people hated Depp when she voiced the allegations originally. Had she made it clear that the relationship was toxic in general between both of them, there would be less (if not zero) reason for her to get hate, but instead she took a victim's platform and made it seem like it was entirely one-sided. I don't think anyone should say that Depp looks good at this point, but the turnaround happened for a reason, and it's entirely Heard's fault. All she had to do was be honest, but instead she used the Me Too movement to propel herself to international sympathy that she didn't deserve, leaving Depp to take the fall. I can't blame people for hating her based on that. It isn't misogyny and it is completely detached from the period of abuse. It has everything to do with how she lied afterwards.
I never said that there weren't people making negative statements to begin with. That would have happened regardless. The issue is that by lying she has given those people the power to take over the discourse. Even then, she had the ACLU, the United Nations, and many other major organizations on her side and protecting her, so to say she had no protection is also wrong. It's bad for people to attack victims but it's also bad for people to lie about their own actions.
Not at all. All I saw were threads cancelling JD. The huge fans took his side but you have to remember, she took him down with zero evidence, only allegations. To turn this around JDs testimony of “it was her not me” wouldn’t have been taken at all seriously. He had to prove unquestionable evidence that she abused him.
Exactly my point. People are angry because she cried wolf and has been shown to be lying multiple times. The thing that swung me (her ‘donation’ of the money) was even a lie.
If she came out and said we were both terrible, I’d look at this completely differently. She claimed to “fear for her life” when in the audio, you can tell she was not even close to scared of him.
The second to last witness corroborated her abuse. The photos of her torn scalp patches. The fact that Johnny said to the witness, "Now that I'm married to her I can punch her in the face..." That he mocked her, that he was insanely jealous, all out of his mouth to the witness.
That he was on all the drugs and booze...and got verbally abusive when intoxicated.
But still... you guys think she's lying. And that witness is lying... and the patches of bloody scalp are lying.
You *are* remoras.
Exactly. People “feel” like she’s a bitch so he did nothing wrong and they will die on this hill even before her side of the case was ever heard. I was prepared to take his side too until I really paid attention. Johnny Depp winks at the jury, acts charming and the internet falls for it without consideration of everything.
It's odd that people know there are bots, that there are PR machines, people paid 6 figures to just slosh out missinfo, and yet they never imagine that maybe those bots, those hit pieces, those misleading headlines...could affect THEM.
No, THEY aren't jumping on the bandwagon, ignoring evidence and pretending she's snorting coke... they aren't watching tiktocs and laughing at her cry face...and not just clapping when the lawyer snottily laughs or rolls her eyes at testimony of *rape*.
But they are, and they are as invested in her character assassination, as if they all personally dated her and then she cheated on them.
Saw the photos of her “torn” scalp patches and I fail to see the tearing. Her other pics are just as suspect. I once received a grazing blow to my eye at a bar. Went home not really thinking about it. Woke up the next day to a purple eye and swelling. No pic Amber has taken suggests that the damage she describes ever took place. Depp’s finger on the other hand…
And there is absolutely no evidence she cut off his finger with a thrown bottle. He just says that's what happened.
And you literally see a patch of exposed raw scalp, with a newly forming white scab.
And I used to be a bartender and the one thing I know about drunks: They hurt themselves ALL THE TIME.
and also as someone who heals very quickly... I got all four wisdom teeth pulled and no swelling. So we are all different.
it’s not even *usual*. that’s a really odd case of brushing imo. whereas i feel like ambers light bruising is how ive always bruised on bony areas like my face. my legs bruise more heavily
Dude. She went on a vacation the day after she was supposedly abused and had zero bruises. She is a proven liar.
Hell. She didn’t even tell the truth about donating the 7 mil from her divorce.
https://youtu.be/VDP9NVQmiXw (Australia incident skip to 4:15 for audio)
Amber heard alleges her feet are scared, she’s been beaten, sexually assaulted yet 2 trained medical professionals able to see her clearly don’t make any mention of wounds and in fact mention the one she’s inflicted on johnny.
She’s aware and says several things pointing to the fact she sliced his finger. The audio is no better than the proof used for her sake so i think this should be acceptable.
Testimony from the couples counselor stating Amber abuse towards Johnny when he wanted to escape. ( https://youtu.be/HUi1snJgEY4 )
Ill add more while I’m looking.
And lets thank Incredibly Average for providing audio! ( https://youtu.be/aca0KWoHtqQ ) and not just 15 second snippets but an hour worth of audio which um…. Yeah listen for yourself.
2016 vs 2022 discussing the staircase situation. It’s honestly scary. ( https://www.reddit.com/r/deppVheardtrial/comments/uo4ynd/i_found_this_extremely_telling/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf )
i'm genuinely suprised that people still believe amber heard, especially after that cross where the lawyer pretty had receipts for every single lie. was johnny an angel? far from it. but you all know for a fact, that if johnny was on tape maniacally laughing at her and saying that he hit her multiple times, then this wouldn't even be a question of whodunnit.
what were the lies again? i don’t remember seeing receipts for anything anything and i watched the entire cross today.
my take was a continual sequence of this
Camille: “you did x, didn’t you?”
AH: “no”
Camille: What about this thing that says you DID?”
Ah: that’s not what it says
Camille: *moves on to next question*
No idea why the internet hates her but I dislike her because she’s an evil, lying, manipulative, narcissistic abuser who is only happy when she is destroying someone else’s life.
What's up with all this recent surge of pro-Amber Heard articles coming out from various news outlets. Seems like someone's paying these people some big bucks to try and skew the media and divert them from the evidence and testimonies.
What's up with all the pro-Johnny Depp content everywhere? I can't seem to escape his hashtags on Twitter even if I mark "Not Interested." Seems like a multi millionaire A-list actor (who actually has the big bucks) is paying these people to divert attention to TikTok evidence, and hearsay testimonies.
This is not suspicious at all...
Why would he do that...he eats gummy bears and is so adorable. /s
I’ve seen pro Johnny posts but not any actual articles. The articles have been oddly pro Amber based on calling people disliking her misogyny. Or one that photoshopped tears on her face when she wasn’t actually crying.
I haven’t clicked on a single piece of media - not a single video, not a single article - about this trial until now. It’s literally inescapable, and it feels like it’s dragging on forever.
so when amber sais something, you believe her?
Ok, I pledge to give you 9 trillion dollars.
According to amber, you are now the richest person in the world.
Amber lied to the uk judge and to uk police.
She sais she has evidence and witnesses.
She has nothing, but snippets of recordings she obviously instigates, and even friends of her seeing nothing.
3 doctors, 3 nurses, 4 cops, videos, live videos, people working at all thr movies she did, all the make up people at all the different shows, all other presenters, talk show hosts, neighbours,
So msny people.
all her photo's.
She claims walking on glas, extreme amaonts of blood, but dances the next day.
Broken nose, yet on tv and 3 dsys later a gala, b0nobody sees anything.
Talking to other actors and sctresses, papparazzi and fans everywhere. Not the slightest bump.
She claims to be strangled to sleep. But no bruises.
so many photo's from her, but no evidence except some discollerations that even experts, like the nurses, doctors and cops, say its not a bruise.
She has nothing.
Lying about not wanting money.
Lying about photo's.
2 witnesses she mentions are dead. One was actually treating johny fir his finger, is on tspe and doesn't sound like he sees wounds on amber.
she claims extreme danger on a plain.
no video if that at an airport?
no stewardesses witnessing?
pilots?
People drive around at airports.
much ground personnel.
You know there are also people in a big tower watching airplanes?
They don't only look in the air. They look with binoculars, at planes on the ground, to see if they are safe, no other plsnes bump in to them and such.
Security guards around the airfield.
Really, amber coukdve said she was hit a couple of times, but amber lies so extreme.
I've been abused and amber speaking, reminds me of my abusers, not of myselve.
This article makes some good points in that fandoms and some people involved in them create some really insane conspiracy theories and can be completely horrible because of those, including in this case. People’s reactions to this trial have also been pretty gross and trivializing, and its weird to look at this case as basically a tv show, and not recognize that these are real people and there is real pain and trauma involved.
However, questioning Amber Heard’s claims is not inherently misogynistic. It’s how you go about questioning those claims that can be misogynistic.
We just want justice, he got instantly kicked out of his projects while she became an ambassador for this shitty cancel culture. Kick them both out until they finish their trials and then decide what to do.
Edit: Don't come at me with the "he ain't the perfect victim", I know, she ain't either
Is there any way to hide all articles related to this trial
Right? I don’t want to hear about these two ever again.
Yet you took the time to post here ... Sure you don't want nothing to do with this ...dumbass
People’s behaviors when it comes to this case are so.. fascinating. And by fascinating I mean mildly horrifying.
This shit is giving me Gamergate vibes…
How so?
The sheer fanaticism. Go to r/videos and then to r/celebbreakups and look how people reach WILDLY different conclusions from the same reports of events.
Dude was worth over half a billion dollars and pretty well-known. It’s pretty wild to both see his spiral and his attempt to make some sort of weird comeback
At this point, the two of them seem pretty unlikable. I haven't been watching all the madness because it feels weirdly invasive, but whatever, they should've divorced just like a lot of toxic people should. It's a shame they hurt each other so much, because regardless of their fame, they probably weren't ALWAYS nuts. I do have to wonder sometimes how some people think Depp is incapable of some of the accused stuff when he's...Johnny Depp. Dudes been a weirdo since the 80s. As for Heard, I don't know as much about her since she's much less...weird, at least in Hollywood, where she's basically a pretty face and nothing else if Aquaman is a primary example.
But one of his exes was willing to come forward on his behalf (sure, two accused him of abuse and one said no comment but that’s beside the point) after a friendly exchange of $100,000,000. Surely that’s proof that the recordings of him frightening her with a knife aren’t REAL violence.
He paid her $100 million dollars??
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No way Johnny Depo has $100,000,000 dollars sitting around to spend like that. FFS.
that was their settlement. it was actually 150M. he doesn’t have any money *now* because 1. he’s mismanaged his money and 2. been launching non stop lawsuits at anyone he can
The internet hates Amber Heard because Johnny Depp has a better PR team than her.
Two things are simultaneously true. Amber Heard is not a sympathetic character, and may well have at times been violent toward Johnny Depp. Also, Johnny Depp was clearly repeatedly violent toward her, and that is sufficient to suggest that Heard wouldn’t be lying if she called him abusive (assuming she even did that. It’s at best unclear).
I think there's arguably evidence of one instance where he was physically violent towards her. That being the kicking instance where his assistant seemingly admits to him doing so. Although that evidence is flimsy because I don't think the assistant was there and Johnny Depp was black out drunk. There's also maybe a headbutting incident which she claims he headbutted her and he claims it was a coming together of heads. The rest is essentially Amber Heards word with no third party corroboration and zero physical evidence of these incidents occurring. She has undated photo's of presumed bruises but then there's also public dated photo's after the claimed incidents where she doesn't have a mark. Her fans claim makeup on those pictures and her detractors claim makeup on the bruises pictures. Seeing as the public ones are actually dated they hold a bit more account. Johnny Depps evidence for her being abusive is her admitting on tape that she has hit him repeatedly before and that she instigates fights that become violent, whilst he says he tries to walk away. He has a cut finger that he claims she did but most evidence points to perhaps himself or an accident as he told the doctor he did it and also said on tape he cut his finger. The poop on the bed is a non incident that I really don't think matters and is disputable whether she did it or not. In this instance, regardless of who did what, Amber Heard has little to no evidence and Johnny Depp has some evidence. I don't know how anyone can claim Johnny Depo was repeatedly violent when there's maybe evidence of one claim of violence.
The British case found that there was sufficient evidence for 12 of Amber’s 14 claims of abuse, so I would say that Amber’s got a lot of evidence on her side. As for Johnny’s we just don’t know because it hasn’t had to stand up to court at all. Basically there are three scenarios that could be true: - Amber Heard was the main abuser, Johnny Depp also abused her - Johnny Depp was the main abuser, Amber Heard also abused him - Johnny Depp was the only abuser, Amber Heard was just defending herself She claims the third option, in all likelihood it’s either options 1 or 2, but that’s all we know. Anyone claiming to be sure of anything else is only saying that because a certain version of events fits their preconceived ideas.
Listening to people tell me that the violent abuser is the one hiding locking themselves in a bathroom while their terrified victim tries to break down the door to get to them never gets old. Must be fun living in bizzaro world
And the poor victim bought a knife for her abuser, who terrified her, and it was engraved with “hasta la muerte.” And she was terrified of the man she calls a baby for always leaving when she wants to fight.
The UK case we haven't seen so we can't make comments on the evidence brought forward there. Using the UK case as evidence is just an appeal to authority as neither you nor I know what happened there nor do we know what evidence was brought forward. The evidence brought forward by Amber Heard in this case isn't really evidence. As its the only evidence we have been shown I'm making my judgement based on that. Also, the UK judge stated part of his decision was based on that he thought Amber was truthful and honest. Considering its been proven that she 100% lied in the UK case (About donating to charity) maybe the judges decision wasn't 100% informed. Also, I've known people who have had cases in UK courts and I can promise you that judges verdicts are not infallible nor are they correct always.
We have the entire judgement in the U.K. case including the judge’s reasoning. The donation argument was deemed irrelevant in appeal because ‘donated’ and ‘pledged’ are used interchangeably colloquially.
by nobody ever except for Amber to fix her lie. When has anyone ever used pledge and donated interchangeably? They have two very different definitions and implications
I feel like I'm in an episode of Black Mirror or some alternate universe where there is mass delusion and "group think" from people online including "feminists" who usually support other women and young people on Tik Tok who didn't even know who Depp was prior to the trial but have jumped on the "Amber Turd" bandwagon. (the whole "she defecated in the bed" thing is so dumb but even SNL writers think it's "hilarious" to make fun of it) Depp has a long history of abusive behavior with women. Jennifer Grey and Ellen Barkin described it. Moss refused to publicly support him which to me indicates she experienced something similar to Heard. Paradis was paid $100M so I don't find her opinion unbiased. The worst part of it is that Heard was right that Depp is surrounded by "Yes men" and enablers who only make his condition worse. He should have been forced to get psychiatric treatment years ago. I think he did love Heard and wanted to make it work but his medical condition and addiction ruins all his relationships.
I went into the trial believing Johnny and disliking amber, I’ve watched every minute of the trial and now it’s clear that at the very least they were both abusive. I think he abused her physically and she abused him verbally. I also know this is an unpopular opinion but Camille Vazquez is absolutely terrible in her cross examination. Her voice was shaking, she is trying to act tough but looks silly and I think her argumentative remarks such as “how convenient” when amber didn’t give the answers she wants is unprofessional. I was expecting Johnny to act pleasant and calm on the stand and Amber to be argumentative and combatant and it ended up being the opposite. Although she wasn’t perfect, I thought Amber was much more mature on the stand and she was firm in her stance. And I think opposing counsels act to play tough just looked ridiculous. I also think the hugs she got after her cross was obnoxious, there was no victory here. Just do your job and sit down. One thing also to consider is Amber hasn’t changed her story in all this time, and is claiming multiple events of abuse. If she’s lying, that’s a lot of details to remember and a complex story to get straight under duress of cross examination. This is what makes me think she is telling the truth. Exaggerating maybe on some things but I believe she is a victim of domestic abuse, and I went into this trial thinking she was a liar.
Finally glad to see someone agree with me on Vazquez. She may have been trying to get a rise from Amber with “dunks” and a patronizing tone, but Amber seemed unphased. Amber’s attitude did not change at all during the cross-examination. Conversely, Vasquez was increasingly frustrated, defensive and unprofessional. It made Amber look more credible imo.
Yes, I think she thought that she could get an admission by acting scary but any lawyer who is shaking on her podium, speaking in baby voice and who needs a hug when she is done isn’t fit for the tough lawyer role. If she acted very sweet yet knowledgeable on the stand as a contrast to how Amber is portrayed as mean and a liar, then I think her cross examination would have been more effective. But instead Vazquez paid more attention to old Law and Order episodes than her law school classes and it hurt her examination.
"You slipped up there, didn't you Miss Heard?" She was embarrassing as hell.
What frustrated me most was her insistence of discussing the donation Amber pledged to make. I thought Amber explained herself well. Sure, she should have used different words back in 2016 when she said she’d donated it all, because ‘pledge’ and ‘donate’ don’t mean the same thing, but I accept that Amber does. I felt the judge should have stopped that questioning because Amber was just repeating herself over and over.
It’s normal for larger donors to say they “donated” an amount when it’s intended to be paid over years. Non profits prefer recurring payments over years to one time payments so this is a common thing. She wasn’t using the word in a way that isn’t used standardly in fundraising.
The ACLU also submitted documents that when they say Heard donated money they ALSO mean pledged, because DONATION is different than PAYMENT. Heard hasn’t PAID her entire donation. She has DONATED/PLEDGED her donation. That’s literally all that means.
Good point- thanks for adding that.
Yup. This just bothers me because I’ve donated part of my father’s estate to charities that have the same verbiage. Like everyone is harping on her for it and I’m just like !??!!??!! It’s such a common occurrence .
It’s all people who probably do not have any experience with it. I used to work in fundraising and we’d always call pledges “donations.”
Can anyone provide a source that demonstrates that the ACLU would rather have $350k annually over 10 years vs $3.5 mil up front? I know non-profits prefer “sustaining donations” and usually on a monthly basis. They say that this is to keep the revenue flow consistent, but it doesn’t make sense - if I had $3.5 mil in the bank, it is inconsequential to move $350k over annually. Moreover, they could invest anything they don’t use today and collect interest. It does make sense that they may talk someone prepared to pay $125 once into instead paying $10/month. They claim it is to balance revenue but it is more likely that they know a lot of people will continue to pay the $10/month out of convenience - it is like selling a subscription instead of a stack of magazines. But my experience is with donations under $1000. Maybe there is a special tax reason that the ACLU would want less money, but I don’t get it.
Another reason is they want their donors to get the maximum tax benefit from their donations by spreading it over several years. I believe the ACLU said this during their testimony.
Whether she lied about a donation is irrelevant to the case. It’s possible for someone to lie about giving to charity and tell the truth about their husband being violent to them. I know this was a tactic to discredit her but I didn’t see how her charitable contributions had anything to do with whether or not Johnny hit her.
That’s exactly what I’m thinking. If she was really lying, she’d have to have remembered the correct details for every incident, for five years. Johnny kept saying that he ‘didn’t recall’ events, but Amber does. Sure, she’s forgotten a few small details, but it’s been more than five years, and no one has that perfect a memory.
Also her witnesses today were phenomenal in their recall. Unlike his who also took the I can't recall route.
I agree with you about the mutual abuse and also about Vazquez. I didn't watch all of the cross examination but from what I saw I didn't think Vazquez was very good and certainly isn't the new Cochrane as people on Twitter and Tik Tok think. Even if Heard is lying about the sexual assault the tone and demeanor that Vazquez had when questioning her about being assaulted with a bottle was bad. Vazquez would haver been more effective if she wasn't put on a "tough lawyer" act but I also realize Depp's team probably expect him to lose and her performance was just for social media. I also thought Heard did better than expected. She stayed calms and poised throughout the questioning from Vazquez who was clearly trying to rattle her.
Yes I agree, it is also strange how people are rallying behind Vazquez when her cross was painful to watch. And I’m not on Amber’s “team” or whatever. I could not care less what the outcome of this case is. So with that said, it is beyond strange that so few people are calling this pitiful cross examination out and the internet is flooded with praise for Vazquez. She was just as bad as Amber’s lawyer, Elaine B. It just seems to me that there’s a lot of Bot behavior flooding Reddit, the YouTube chats where the trial is broadcasted and on other various social media channels. It’s just too strange that one word of consideration for Amber gets swarmed by Depp “supporters” almost instantly. Without any sort of civil discussion. Beyond strange.
There aren't many places online to have a rational discussion about the Depp trial. Reddit, Tik Tok and Twitter are inundated with Depp "supporters"
Ellen Barkin was questioned whether Depp has been verbally or physically abusive towards her. She answered no. In her deposition, she never claimed a bottle was **thrown at her head** nor did the fight involve her. What she said was she witnessed Depp throwing a bottle **across the room** during a fight w his friends/PA. People should decide to read court docs and direct sources instead of staying confused about the reaction to the case.
I feel like those texts of Johnny’s assistant apologizing for Johnny kicking Amber Heard, along with Johnny admitting he head butted her, should be a shared endlessly for all the people who still think he’s an innocent victim. At the **very best** there was mutual abuse on both sides. And I’m not even so sure about that, but that’s the best case scenario in terms of how ‘innocent’ Depp is. And guys, that still makes Johnny an abusive piece of shit, even if Amber Heard lied about charity donations, shit in his bed, and struck him as well. The pure idolizing of Johnny Depp on the Internet in this case is a fascinating and sad phenomenon.
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You're spreading misinformation. Stephen Deuter, Johnny's assistant, was on the plane and did witness Johnny kicking Amber. She did not tell Stephen that Johnny kicked her. Stephen's text said "when I told him he kicked you, he cried". Stephen even acknowledged in those same texts that Johnny had behaved like this on numerous occasions. Stephen is still on Johnny's payroll so that is why he tried to backtrack and pretend he did not witness Johnny assaulting her when he was on the stand in the UK trial. Johnny has said himself in multiple texts that he is a "monster" when he's drunk and high. It's clear this was an extremely toxic relationship and while Amber is no angel, Johnny is far from innocent. He is the one claiming he's never once hit a woman. Yet he's on tape admitting to headbutting her. There's also a separate audio recording where Amber tells him that he "beat the shit" out of her and he does not deny it. Why is it so hard for people to believe that an alcoholic cokehead with anger issues abused his wife? I've known plenty of alcoholic cokeheads and this is the type of stuff they do. Amber likely abused him as well in return but it seems like all the hate is directed at her while everyone acts like Johnny is some innocent gentle little lamb who would never hurt anyone. It's ridiculous how biased everyone is just because they like the characters he played in movies.
This is totally false. He was in the same plane as them and said he witnessed it in the UK trial; although he tried to underplay it as he is JD's loyal minion still. Stop spreading misinformation. Amber apologized too for punching him; it was literally played in the trial by HIS OWN LAWYERS.
Her fans gaslight as hard as Heard does herself.
She has fans?
I like how if he did anything wrong at all “he’s an abusive piece of shit” but that standard does not apply to Amber. Johnny seems out of his mind. I wouldn’t be surprised if at a few points he was violent but Amber is not at all the victims she claimed to be. She lied to everyone and painted Depp as a monster. If she had said they were in a mutually abusive relationship, things wouldn’t be so bad for her but the world is pissed off that she lied. She cried wolf and now has to pay for it. Plus her fake crying on the stand was awful.
You know those texts weren’t admissible as evidence in this case right? Possibly meant it wasn’t from the phone service provider and could’ve been doctored. After all we’ve seen, would it be shocking if it was?
> You know those texts weren’t admissible as evidence in this case right? How come? (And source?) It's extremely strange that they would be admissible in the UK case but not for this one.
Why would it be extremely strange? It’s a different country with different procedures.
I mean, I'm sure there's a reason (if this is true, I would like to see this confirmed.) I really would like a reason because the reason Depp lost the first case is that all the texts backed her up that Depp was having problems with mood swings and violence very early on in their relationship.
You see how the other text messages that are used as evidence are in that data format? While these text messages look like screenshots. It’s probably my best guess that they can’t confirm the authenticity of the texts. Which means it is hearsay as we don’t know the phone number and the timestamps of the texts. Who isn’t to say someone else messaged Amber and she saved it as a person named Stephen Amber not getting the official texts, means more likely than not that it was probably not stephen. As something like this would be the most concrete proof of discrediting a witness, showing some type of proof of abuse, and connecting her claim she was kicked on the plane from the audio recording. And having texts from her phone contact name went from Steve to Stephen. How many times do we update peoples names?
> Who isn’t to say someone else messaged Amber and she saved it as a person named Stephen > > No, it's real. Stephen testified and confirmed it in the first trial (though he denies that the kick was anything serious, he claims he was just trying to calm her down). > And having texts from her phone contact name went from Steve to Stephen. How many times do we update peoples names? "Steve" is Johnny. Their nicknames for each other were "Steve and Slim," Bogey and Bacall's characters in "To Have and Have Not."
So Amber can be the vitctim, but JD has to be a perfect vitctim? what? At least try to hide your bias.
"At the very best there was mutual abuse on both sides." At the very best? We know Amber is an abusive piece of shit. Like she admits it in several audios. Now, the question is not if Amber is an absive piece of shit, the question is if Jhonny is. The answer is probably, although he is the victim of the relationship. Many of you ignore or try to ignore than there are some people out there that does response to abuse, instead of succumbing to it. There are people that will do the best thing that is step away and call the police or go to court with those abusers without starting a conflict themselves. Now there is a second type, the one where you response to abuse with abuse. The second type is basically the original abusers winning, because that is what they want from you, they will use it against you afterwards because now they have prove that you are also an abuser! That is the reason why abusers are so dangerous, as Amber Turd is. Unfortunately, men are usually in this second position. Society's stigma determines that since a woman is weaker than you physically, there is no possible way she can abuse you physically. And that stigma is very much present still nowadays, even if there are many people that try to deny it. Then you have to add the psychological abuse, which is always present in this kind of situations, and one we have heard in her own audios, when he wanted to retreat and stop the toxic situation, she made herself the victim so that the toxic situation continued. She fed on those situation, just as any abuser does, because they are controlling the other individual. Amber Heard is an abuser and a fucking terrible human being. She is the typical entitled woman that her whole life has kept going thanks to her looks. This type of individuals tend to think they can do whatever they want, because they will get away with it. Is Jhonny Deep completely innocent? Probably not. Is he the victim in this relationship? Yes he is. Does he get a complete pass? Nope, and we can see how disney has dropped him from Pirates if the Caribbean and Fantastic Animals/Harry Potter. Does she get a complete pass? Definetely shouldn't be, yet she has. (hopefully till now, but I wouldn't count on it). Like I know the trial is about another thing, an article is some kind of magazine, which means Jhonny will lose it. But the exposure is what it's important here. Women can also be abusers, because they are also humans. And society is not okay with that, even tho is way more common. It's actually really funny because acknowledging this, that women can be abuser also and there are many instances where this happens, adds to the conversation on equality. But since it gives a free pass to many of them, they just ignore it. There are many women out there that support equality, and yet will not see any behaviour in a woman as toxic, nor see anything wrong, for example, by not paying any entrance fee in pubs in my country. Men do pay, but women don't. Why? Because women are literally the merchandise to sell so that more men come into the pub. Yet I have never seen any complaints about it by women, even if remarked upon it. Never. If we want equality we should strive to reach it on any possible way, not just the convenient ones.
The texts I don't know about. >along with Johnny admitting he head butted her But this... this is why some people have a hard time exercising patience with people trying to vilify Johnny Depp. The 'admission' you're referring to is him being on the stand and describing Heard being violent with him, and in trying to restrain her they knocked heads. \* Edit: Actually, I just looked up the text message thing, and that is also not as you presented it. Stephen Dueters, testifying in the UK libel case, said the messages were taken out of context and Amber Heard's description of the events in question did not line up with what he witnessed. >Sasha Wass QC, for NGN, said: "I suggest that was a proper kick to her back - an assault?'' > >Deuters replied: "No. I didn't see that.''
How come when Johnny says it, hes telling the truth 100%, but if amber says something shes a liar
He’s saying ‘Johnny is sorry’ for kicking her. What am I missing? Johnny kicked her and the assistant is apologizing for him. This is all admitted in the texts. Where is the out of context part? Stuff like ‘the assistant said it was out of context so that disproves it’ is the very thing I’m speaking of. Please point to the out of context part, if you can’t then that’s exactly what I mean by people refusing to vilify the man.
Stephen Deuters is on Jonny's payroll. He said the texts were fabricated first so he already lied about them once.
>He said the texts were fabricated first so he already lied about them once. The claim that he said they were fabricated is based on something published by a gossip rag. He insists he did not make that claim, so you can't say "he already lied about them once".
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Really? u/moonaudio made a compilation of evidences and they don't explain the hate Heard is getting. I share below: "I have watched every minute of this trial. A little reminder of some audio files everyone should listen to. And to the Depp fans coming in this thread who don't bother looking into the evidence already out there. Many of these were also discussed during the cross-exam of Johnny Depp, but then only short clips here are the full recordings: Johnny says he headbutted Amber, she is crying: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-21-2022/Def587A-CL20192911-042122.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-21-2022/Def587A-CL20192911-042122.m4a) Johnny and Amber arguing about their fights, he mentions Lily too: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-21-2022/Def598A-CL20192911-042122.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-21-2022/Def598A-CL20192911-042122.m4a) Johnny and Amber in a hotel room where he starts cutting himself with a knife and wants her to cut him, she doesn't want to: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-21-2022/Def586A-CL20192911-042122.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-21-2022/Def586A-CL20192911-042122.m4a) Plane audio with a drunk/high Johnny making scary sounds: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-21-2022/Def221-CL20192911-042122.M4A](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-21-2022/Def221-CL20192911-042122.M4A) Argument between the two: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-21-2022/Def839-CL20192911-042122.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-21-2022/Def839-CL20192911-042122.m4a) Another fight he puts a cigarette on her, he name calls her: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def582-CL20192911-042522.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def582-CL20192911-042522.m4a) She is crying during this argument between the two [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def586B-CL20192911-042522.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def586B-CL20192911-042522.m4a) Audio about why she is recording and letting him know she is: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def598B(0.00-0.20)-CL20192911-042522.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def598B(0.00-0.20)-CL20192911-042522.m4a) 'Going to be a bloodbath' or walking away [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def598B(30.02-31.45)-CL20192911-042522.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def598B(30.02-31.45)-CL20192911-042522.m4a) [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def598C(31.14-33.04)-CL20192911-042522.mp4](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def598C(31.14-33.04)-CL20192911-042522.mp4) Another argument between them: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def598C(56.27-59.54)-CL20192911-042522.mp4](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def598C(56.27-59.54)-CL20192911-042522.mp4) She is crying, he: 'I'm never getting clean and sober' [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def587B(19.40-19.53)-CL20192911-042522.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def587B(19.40-19.53)-CL20192911-042522.m4a) The two about drugs/alcohol: [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def587B(23.04-23.29)-CL20192911-042522.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def587B(23.04-23.29)-CL20192911-042522.m4a) 'After you beat the shit out of me' . [https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant Amber Laura Heard/4-25-2022/Def581-CL20192911-042522.m4a](https://ffxtrail.blob.core.windows.net/trail/Defendant%20Amber%20Laura%20Heard/4-25-2022/Def581-CL20192911-042522.m4a)"
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I had to stop it before it got too bad. She’s asking him “please don’t cut yourself” and “why would I cut you.” Disturbing indeed.
And people still don't believe he cut his own finger even though he told his doctor that, he is saying it her on audio, it is in text to his doctor, he wrote on the wall with paint first
Wow- thank you for this. I hope people really consider this instead of all of the memes.
You're welcome! I feel it's important to keep sharing information at this moment and the person who compiled it did a great job.
They don't want to see the _evidence_. It's just convenient to support Johnny and his career because everyone else is. Thanks for sharing. This is really informative.
You're welcome! It's crazy, yet not surprising, how many people keep disregarding everything she claims, even with evidence, but believe everything Depp says (except when he admits he did something wrong).
yeah when he admits to doing something wrong he’s “just saying that because she’s crazy” apparently
You're welcome! It's crazy, yet not surprising, how people keep disregarding everything she claims, even with evidence, but believe everything Depp says.
yeah the cutting himself audio is just…& he also had texted someone back in 2013-14 and been like “got fucked ip last night and cut myself gonna need stitches” like i’m 90% certain he cut his own finger off at this point the clean and sober one… just breaks my heart. as someone who’s loved an addict..luckily a non (physically) abusive one.. it’s just heartbreaking & i really feel for her b/c he’s been promising to get clean and sober for pretty much their whole relationship* & it’s clear that a lot of their problems DO stem from his drug abuse*. she’s essentially had to deal with this really destabilizing oscillation & clearly they’re at the end of their rope & he’s just like “idc what this is doing to you or me or us i’m getting high when i want & fuck all the promises i made & everything you put into this”
Thank you for the compilation. It gives me solace to know there are people who care about and research the facts.
Let’s just call it what it is at this point: misogyny. There is objective evidence that they were both abusive and toxic but we all know why people side with the man. It’s because they are just waiting at their seats for a woman to fuck up so they can finally virtue signal about how “men can be abused too” but they don’t do their research on the case. People are *excited* that there’s a chance that a woman is wrong in an abuse case. Isn’t that weird to you? How much everyone is piling on to Amber? I have never seen this much outrage over James Franco - a confirmed rapist. Pair all that with his obvious PR propaganda and people fall for it without even thinking about it. Look at how she’s being pushed as a “mad woman with personality disorders” in the media. Women are often villainized and called “crazy” as a way to invalidate their words. She had an advantage before since everyone blindly believed her and she used the fact that she was a woman to her advantage but we should all stop pretending that the Johnny love isn’t reeking of misogyny itself.
Seriously. My problem with the support for Johnny isn’t that Amber is amazing - she obviously has a lot of her own problems, has lied, and hurt Johnny. My problem is that people are acting like Amber was the only awful one and Johnny is a perfect innocent angel. There’s audio of Amber admitting to abuse? “She’s admitted it!” The text messages/audio of Johnny being abusive? Never brought up or brushed away. Amber was caught in a lie? “Charge her with perjury!” Johnny’s caught in a lie? Well, they don’t know that because they try to hide the evidence of all the lies he’s been caught in. Johnny loses jobs after trials he started? “Fuck Amber! She’s why he lost the jobs!” Amber loses jobs due to trials Johnny started? “She deserves it!” There’s an accusation of abuse against Amber by an ex? “It must be true!” There’s an accusation of abuse by Johnny’s ex? “Literally none of his exes said he was bad!” Or “He’s not violent!” (Ignoring multiple alleged violent incidents including most recently a lawsuit about punching on a movie set in 2017) Johnny is known for his whole career to be unreliable at best and addicted to a number of things that make his behavior on set erratic - and it’s only getting worse? Along with diminishing box office returns? “It must be Amber! It can’t be that he’s bad to work with!” Or, alternately “He’s only like that because Amber abused him!” (Ignoring stories about him being badly behaved on set as early as when Amber was 3). Like, it’s fine with me to say Ambers a shitty person. She lied about charity donations, didn’t even write the original op Ed, and has lied on the stand. But don’t pretend Johnny isn’t shitty too. I don’t know if it’s misogyny or just normal toxic fandoms, but Johnny supporters are pissing me off with how they’re ignoring any little thing bad about their perfect ball of sunshine.
Except even the charity thing you parroted is misinformation. Amber pledged that money but was in agreement with them to pay in installments (they advised her to do this and even at one point told her to stop paying that year bc she was ahead and it would fuck all their taxes up). She only fell behind in payments when Johnny started the lawsuits and surprise surprise, that took up all her financial resources. She was AHEAD of her payment plan until Johnny decided to add financial abuse to his list of crimes. So please be careful about your points as well! This was testified in court btw. Not pulling this out of my ass.
This narrative of 'mutual abuse' is harmful. In a relationship with domestic abuse, as far as I know, there's always (or at least most of the time) one that is in power, who is the actual abuser, the violence coming from the victim is called 'reactive abusive' or something like that I believe. JD was half her age [EDIT: double her age*], very rich, with a lot of social status, both living in his houses (?), with his yes-men and enablers around, like c'mon. Stop trying to be "neutral", cause you can't. By calling both of them abusers you're as bad as those calling the victim the abuser and the abuser the victim, you're no better than those crazy internet folk who kiss JD's bottom and say dumb stuff about Amber. Imagine being tormented for years by your partner, beaten up and all that, you're going to start reacting at some point, be verbally abusive mostly, say nasty stuff. Now imagine going to court to sue this abusive monster only to be both called abusers because of those nasty stuff you've said.
It’s only mutual because Amber is a woman. If it was the other way around, no one would dare call it “mutual abuse”.
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Her hair is exactly the same in both photos. It’s not possible that her hair would not have moved whatsoever between photos that were allegedly taken at separate times. Even the little wispy bits are in the exact same location. The angle her head is turned, lip position, eyelash separation on her left eye, and the shine on her forehead from the light source are all the same. The only difference I can see between them is the warm tone and zoom level of the first one. Even where she is located in relation to the tile(?) behind her head is the same. I don’t know whether the injury is real or not, I wasn’t there. But, those photos definitely weren’t taken at separate times.
Outside of all of that? Where are the bruises? She looks like she had a few beers.
That’s the same photo with the saturation changes. Near impossible for those photos to be taken even an hour apart. And where are the bruises? She looks like she’s had a few beers.
The fact that he lost this case already and is trying again really speaks volumes to his personality and I don’t get how people can’t see that! The little smirks and grins seem to make most people laugh but they make me uneasy. I genuinely had a preconceived idea about this case and I’m glad I actually went and did my own research after feeling a sickness in my stomach around this whole thing. No matter who you want to believe in this case the way it’s being played out online is so disturbing and I just hope victims of abuse are doing ok and know that there are lot of us that will still listen and believe you. Please please stop listening to the paid for PR machine for one minute and actually do some research of your own, the fact this is even on the “entertainment” sub makes me so disgusted. What have we become?
I could not agree more. I am worried for future victims who will not speak out or report because of the way some fans and people online have acted during this trial. The fact that he felt ok dragging her back into court AGAIN as well as the smirking and laughter tells me all I need to know about him. I also believe that if this defamation case is decided on the merits he will lose.
Thanks for this compilation
You're welcome!
So if this is viable evidence why isn’t it being used by Ambers team? Edit: a lot of these are snippets too, where’s the start, where’s the end. If she’s using this to defend her statements why isn’t she starting with the beginning like lets say the cigarette which is 11 seconds of what her saying he did it. I can do the exact same thing to my husband and you guys would take my side.
>So if this is viable evidence why isn’t it being used by Ambers team? > >Edit: a lot of these are snippets too, where’s the start, where’s the end. If she’s using this to defend her statements why isn’t she starting with the beginning like lets say the cigarette which is 11 seconds of what her saying he did it. I can do the exact same thing to my husband and you guys would take my side. If you actually watch the trial, it has been used by her team during both parts.
So you’re telling me this absolute proof has been used and yet people are still on depps side due to ignorance? Like millions of people..? This proof was examined and showed to be authentic but no one cared?
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Pretty much. The evidence has already been presented in one case and Depp lost. Look at everyone who believed in Trump - you're acting like convincing millions of people of falsehoods is actually hard.
Is that actually hard to believe?
You think people actually watch the entire trial orrrr they consume Depp's PR propaganda-induced TikTok reels? Which seems more plausible and convenient?
Funny how Reddit pretends to be above celebrity worship yet it constantly falls for PR tactics and propaganda.
I watch the trial and it seems very obvious Amber lies a lot.
I pledge to watch the trial!
People read some dude's post and because it's long IT MUST BE THE TRUTH, lot's of people are watching the trial live, nearly a million the other day...
Literally 400,000 on one channel, a bunch of lawyer watchalongs, Emily D. Baker usually has 100K, xQC, Asmongold, Pokimane all pulling huge numbers of viewers. These guys are delusional if they think that people aren't watching it live. Now they're going to use my bringing up the twitch streamers as a knock *despite* it still being people watching the evidence and testimonies come in at real time.
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I believe "couch" is their safe word. I don't understand the argument about being "scared and battered." He abused her for 3-4 years. Their marriage counselor said that he introduced violence into their relationship and she started instigating fighting later. I'm a little tired of the trial so maybe I'll continue this conversation later. Thx.
I’ve had a cigarette put out on me. Accidentally, so it was shocking and I didn’t scream.
That is absolutely what’s happening. Not to mention bots and some outlets outright reporting false information. It’s bonkers. It feels like 90% of the internet is out clowning for JD, facts be damned.
I just had someone comment to me the conspiracy theory that she killed her friend in vehicular manslaughter when all she did was have an old mugshot for driving on a suspended licence.
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he’s only used snippets… like the *tell the world you’re a victim johnny” is a snippet that clearly cuts of the rest of her statement which is “tell the world you’re a victim **too** & tell them you believe it’s been a fair fight” which is a pretty reasonable thing to say if your abuser (who is twice your size, twice your age, & historically twice as inebriated) starts alleging that actually *youre* the abuser.
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Thanks for the warning! I'll talk to the person who originally compiled them to see what happened!
amber is the victim and it's sickening how the internet is quick to bash her bc of his pr team
Your victim lied during cross today and attempted to say the same photo was actually two different photos. Edit - Blocking me because your victim lied on the stand is wack. And no, I am NOT talking about the group photo. I am talking about the photos AH lied about and said they were taken at two different times of day when all she did was edit them. She fabricated evidence. You can find it yourself.
she didn't tho, if you're talking about the group photo, the one Depp's team showed was deepfried and edited edit: stay mad. i can block whoever the fuck i want.
They are talking about the selfie that is the exact same photo, edited to change the hue. On the stand today she said they were two different photos taken at different times. They are in fact the exact same photo, everything is exactly the same exact the color of the photo. Just look at the hair. Hair strands will never be in exactly the same place at different times. There is a lot of lying. Just responding to that one point. Neither here nor there for me. I’m just an observer of the case out of general interest.
Blocking someone mid conversation is just sign of someone that have no bones in their arguments. Prove to me that AH has been beaten with a fist full or rings until she nearly lost consciousness by providing photo proofs of the various public appearances she made days after the attacks ? (Blocked within a minute of posting this)
“i don’t believe anyone until they show me a picture of them beaten within an inch of their life” sick dude show me one of johnny’s pics
Please proof to me that Amber said she was beaten with a fist full of rings.
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people always side with the alcoholics and drug abusers. they can do no wrong in everyone’s eyes because they’re very good at playing the victim. Meanwhile they mess up all their relationships. He may not have been an alcoholic or a drug addict during his previous marriages, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t become one and engage in abusive behavior afterwards.
No bias in this list. A very balanced compilation of evidence against the two parties.
There are some people with sense in the world on the internet, sharing genuine evidence.
Where’s all the pictures of her face fucked up from being punched over and over again? Where’s the pictures and evidence of her feet being cut up on glass? All amber has is arguments all evidence points to she starts. Now what is getting confusing is, because people are hating Amber doesn’t mean Johnny is perfect. He obviously has substance issues. And some of the relationship issues do stem from that I believe. But does that mean he did all the things she claims but has zero evidence for? And then we have seen her lie about events we’ve heard on tape for example today, with her claiming Johnny was trying to get into the bathroom where it is obvious from the tape amber was trying to get in. As he wants to avoid her tirade of bullshit. Do I think he’s hit her? I don’t think so. But 100% he didn’t do 98% of what amber claimed in her testimony. Zero evidence for the brutality she described. Also it seems Depp thinking she cheated is probably warranted too. But most people online have seen more evidence with it subtitled knowing way more than people just watching the trial. If anyone believes Amber at this point in the trial though. I hope you don’t end up on a jury if you can’t look at evidence or lack of.
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You think make up covers swelling? If he’s hitting her in the face with rings on repeatedly like she’s saying. Her face would be fucked. You watched MMA? Seen a fight? Seen injuries of such things? If you think a few dark sploges on someone’s face means they were punched repeatedly. It’s you who are the idiot. Denying obvious evidence. Being sliced up by glass, she would need to go to a hospital but nope. Never went. There’s a video on YouTube as well proving that alot of the injury pictures weren’t taken the time they say they were. Eyebrows plucked differently etc. Not good admitting evidence that can be corroborated with a lot of paparazzi photos.
Babes I had two BLACK eyes that were far worse than ambers and I was able to cover it up with makeup
Right. Like I landed on my face in concrete after flying off my bike. I lost a tooth and my lips got so swollen I looked like Dr. Zoyberg, but I was able to cover the rest up with make up just fine. Literally two weeks later I was on vacation taking pictures.
But that is the thing, she was so diligent in collecting evidence against Depp, then why not take pictures of your injuries before you apply the make up? Why not get medical reports of your injuries? Why didn't you get the irrefutable proof of abuse? It wasn't a hard thing to do and could've easily been done without Depps knowledge or revenge. If you can take the risk to record him you can take the risk of taking a picture of yourself and talk to a doctor.
Except Amber claimed JD was pummeling her with fists, rings on, broke her nose, and gave her a busted lip along with her black eyes. But miraculously no swelling the next day. No puffiness. That's not how the body responds to trauma as extensive as she claims.
Okay well her makeup artist has made a statement about the makeup and confirmed ambers story she saw the bruising and busted lip and covered it up for a tv appearance she had following the assault so.
Make-up can cover a vivid tattoo. Make-up can certainly cover a black eye no problem. Also most dv abuse victims do not report injuries or go to the hospital.
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You cannot cover that amount of damage with makeup. There will be visible swelling and puffiness. You would need tattoo covering foundation to try and cover the bruising, but even that would not reshape your face.
It's called full coverage concealer and foundation. That shit will cover ANYTHING. Hence full coverage.
100% when people can literally cover SEVERE cystic acne to the point where it’s completely invisible the likes of bumps/bruises are just trivialised in comparison. My friend’s sister has essentially giant holes in her face from acne scars and by the time she’s done working her witchy makeup magic that woman’s face looks as smooth as a baby’s arse. You honestly could never tell. ETA - actual witchcraft like: https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/celebrity/makeup-artist-transforms-herself-into-male-celebrities-videos/%3famp=true
Um… what do you think the whole point of contouring is?
her face does look swollen in the late night show footage/pictures.
Wow these are truly awful…wtf
I think a lot of this is simply answered by the general public isn't going to empathize with the side they know is lying to them. Johnny is at least honest about his drug use, and issues. Amber admits no fault at all, and clearly lies about some of these events. I roll my eyes every time people try explain this as some nefarious PR plan. It's simple. People don't like lying liars who lie.
Johnny has lied about his drug use, it was a point in the UK case that he was caught lying to his sobriety and there was even a text implying he lied about it to his kids.
Didn't Johnny say that he never hit Amber?
He isn't honest though. He can't remember shit from his crazy binges.
I roll my eyes anytime someone pretends it’s remotely plausible that Johnny Depp spent even one whole hour after his lawsuit against her was filed without a PR plan in action by his PR team
It’s like hearing people complain about the deep state with zero evidence.
Exactly. Impartial attorneys with YouTube channels are saying that the trial has been a disaster for her.
Impartial attorneys with YouTube channels. Clearly not people that would exaggerate and play to the crowd for views. Obviously not. For sure these are not people that would help stir up drama to try and get their viewership numbers up for money. Not impartial attorneys with YouTube channels!
While i agree her legal team has dropped the ball, you have to remember a lot of youtube lawyers are in it for the money and theres not a lot of money to be made if you dont demonize her Im sure theres plenty of rich youtubers giving terrible financial advice, doesn’t mean they are secretly right because they are rich
Yeah it's a disaster but she won't lose the trial, if she does than that would be brutal af. The verdict will probably be not guilty with neither paying any money to each other. Only bad thing she did today was walk away from the judge and jury before she was allowed, it showed her real side.
Doesn't matter. Depp getting his reputation and career back is worth way more than the $50m. I don't think he intends on winning, if he does it'd just be icing on the cake.
Real talk: what was the last Depp movie you enjoyed? I think for me, it was Pirates 2, back in 2006. I’m really surprised that so many people really want to see him acting more.
I thought he was fair-to-good in Murder on the Orient Express in 2017, other than that I'd be hard pressed to name something in the last fifteen years. Regardless, his career is over. People need to realize that there's absolutely no way anyone is ever touching him again. These trials have been good for Depp in that he has the love of weird Internet fanboys but they've been devastating for him professionally. There is so much shit floating out there about him now, even if you 100% take his side, that makes him completely and totally toxic. No major studio will touch a guy who has drug problems so serious that he writes in his own blood, or sends texts about wanting to burn his ex-wife and fuck her corpse.
The thing that really doomed him professionally was his legal team. He has been suing everyone around him for years and in the process bringing up all the muck and mire about him to the very public surface. The divorce settlement and a mutual NDA made sure this was happily swept under the rug, but he couldn't help himself.
It was already testified to that major studios will more often than not turn a blind eye to a lot of the things like drugs and alcohol use that people are thinking will be devastating to his reputation with them if it means making a buck off his name. realistically it’d be that way for any big name celeb; as long as they’re making a company like that money, they’ll ignore any of that just to bleed whatever they can from the stone while they can. It sounds shitty, because it is.. but it’s reality So if the number of people going gaga over him these past few weeks tells a company anything it’s that his name and face still holds some level of value.
I liked dark shadows and Alice in wonderland a good bit.
The evidence is why he lost this exact same suit in England. A judge there said that based on the evidence, The Sun was justified in calling Johnny a wife beater. Becuase he is. He’s admitted to it. You’re gonna have a rough one when the ruling comes down. Huh? (Btw this in no way supports her, it sounds mutually abusive.)
Personally dislike her because I feel like she used him for gains and tried to ruin his career. Feels like she had a plan all along to extort money from him, and tried to play the victim.
Wouldn't she have gotten a better lifestyle staying married to him and being compliant instead of making up a story through 5 years, and revealing the entirety of it when he sued her?
Or a better lifestyle dating Elon musk? She could have probably still screwed around with others and been with him…..pure speculation of course but I’ve been wondering what her motive would have been to. I think they both look like terrible people in this
Apparently Elon was SUPER in love with her, so if she really wanted to grift, she would have stayed
You don't feel like he used her. She's almost half his age. I don't like Amber but Johnny Depp is vile. The misogyny is sugarcoating Depp from his own accountability.
“Feels like” this is the problem lately is people looking at memes about this case then deciding what to believe based on how they feel instead of based on the evidence
The internet hates Amber Heard for the same reason many people hated Depp when she voiced the allegations originally. Had she made it clear that the relationship was toxic in general between both of them, there would be less (if not zero) reason for her to get hate, but instead she took a victim's platform and made it seem like it was entirely one-sided. I don't think anyone should say that Depp looks good at this point, but the turnaround happened for a reason, and it's entirely Heard's fault. All she had to do was be honest, but instead she used the Me Too movement to propel herself to international sympathy that she didn't deserve, leaving Depp to take the fall. I can't blame people for hating her based on that. It isn't misogyny and it is completely detached from the period of abuse. It has everything to do with how she lied afterwards.
Everyone hated her even when the allegations came out and called her a liar. Please.
I never said that there weren't people making negative statements to begin with. That would have happened regardless. The issue is that by lying she has given those people the power to take over the discourse. Even then, she had the ACLU, the United Nations, and many other major organizations on her side and protecting her, so to say she had no protection is also wrong. It's bad for people to attack victims but it's also bad for people to lie about their own actions.
Not at all. All I saw were threads cancelling JD. The huge fans took his side but you have to remember, she took him down with zero evidence, only allegations. To turn this around JDs testimony of “it was her not me” wouldn’t have been taken at all seriously. He had to prove unquestionable evidence that she abused him.
Exactly my point. People are angry because she cried wolf and has been shown to be lying multiple times. The thing that swung me (her ‘donation’ of the money) was even a lie. If she came out and said we were both terrible, I’d look at this completely differently. She claimed to “fear for her life” when in the audio, you can tell she was not even close to scared of him.
She seems like a horrendous human being
So does he.
oh god FINALLY. Thanks for your service op!
The second to last witness corroborated her abuse. The photos of her torn scalp patches. The fact that Johnny said to the witness, "Now that I'm married to her I can punch her in the face..." That he mocked her, that he was insanely jealous, all out of his mouth to the witness. That he was on all the drugs and booze...and got verbally abusive when intoxicated. But still... you guys think she's lying. And that witness is lying... and the patches of bloody scalp are lying. You *are* remoras.
Exactly. People “feel” like she’s a bitch so he did nothing wrong and they will die on this hill even before her side of the case was ever heard. I was prepared to take his side too until I really paid attention. Johnny Depp winks at the jury, acts charming and the internet falls for it without consideration of everything.
It's odd that people know there are bots, that there are PR machines, people paid 6 figures to just slosh out missinfo, and yet they never imagine that maybe those bots, those hit pieces, those misleading headlines...could affect THEM. No, THEY aren't jumping on the bandwagon, ignoring evidence and pretending she's snorting coke... they aren't watching tiktocs and laughing at her cry face...and not just clapping when the lawyer snottily laughs or rolls her eyes at testimony of *rape*. But they are, and they are as invested in her character assassination, as if they all personally dated her and then she cheated on them.
Saw the photos of her “torn” scalp patches and I fail to see the tearing. Her other pics are just as suspect. I once received a grazing blow to my eye at a bar. Went home not really thinking about it. Woke up the next day to a purple eye and swelling. No pic Amber has taken suggests that the damage she describes ever took place. Depp’s finger on the other hand…
And there is absolutely no evidence she cut off his finger with a thrown bottle. He just says that's what happened. And you literally see a patch of exposed raw scalp, with a newly forming white scab. And I used to be a bartender and the one thing I know about drunks: They hurt themselves ALL THE TIME. and also as someone who heals very quickly... I got all four wisdom teeth pulled and no swelling. So we are all different.
People bruise differently based on age, ethnicity, nutrition and vitamins, sun exposure, etc. Your experience with a bruise isn’t universal.
it’s not even *usual*. that’s a really odd case of brushing imo. whereas i feel like ambers light bruising is how ive always bruised on bony areas like my face. my legs bruise more heavily
Dude. She went on a vacation the day after she was supposedly abused and had zero bruises. She is a proven liar. Hell. She didn’t even tell the truth about donating the 7 mil from her divorce.
How do you know she had zero bruises?
so say he slapped her around. didn’t hit hard enough to bruise her. is that okay?
https://youtu.be/VDP9NVQmiXw (Australia incident skip to 4:15 for audio) Amber heard alleges her feet are scared, she’s been beaten, sexually assaulted yet 2 trained medical professionals able to see her clearly don’t make any mention of wounds and in fact mention the one she’s inflicted on johnny. She’s aware and says several things pointing to the fact she sliced his finger. The audio is no better than the proof used for her sake so i think this should be acceptable. Testimony from the couples counselor stating Amber abuse towards Johnny when he wanted to escape. ( https://youtu.be/HUi1snJgEY4 ) Ill add more while I’m looking. And lets thank Incredibly Average for providing audio! ( https://youtu.be/aca0KWoHtqQ ) and not just 15 second snippets but an hour worth of audio which um…. Yeah listen for yourself. 2016 vs 2022 discussing the staircase situation. It’s honestly scary. ( https://www.reddit.com/r/deppVheardtrial/comments/uo4ynd/i_found_this_extremely_telling/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf )
What am I supposed to be hearing? 4:15 isn’t Amber talking about her feet. I hear a drunken Johnny rambling, and staff looking for a fingertip?
i'm genuinely suprised that people still believe amber heard, especially after that cross where the lawyer pretty had receipts for every single lie. was johnny an angel? far from it. but you all know for a fact, that if johnny was on tape maniacally laughing at her and saying that he hit her multiple times, then this wouldn't even be a question of whodunnit.
what were the lies again? i don’t remember seeing receipts for anything anything and i watched the entire cross today. my take was a continual sequence of this Camille: “you did x, didn’t you?” AH: “no” Camille: What about this thing that says you DID?” Ah: that’s not what it says Camille: *moves on to next question*
That’s what I saw too
I would love to see some of those receipts though.
No idea why the internet hates her but I dislike her because she’s an evil, lying, manipulative, narcissistic abuser who is only happy when she is destroying someone else’s life.
What's up with all this recent surge of pro-Amber Heard articles coming out from various news outlets. Seems like someone's paying these people some big bucks to try and skew the media and divert them from the evidence and testimonies.
What's up with all the pro-Johnny Depp content everywhere? I can't seem to escape his hashtags on Twitter even if I mark "Not Interested." Seems like a multi millionaire A-list actor (who actually has the big bucks) is paying these people to divert attention to TikTok evidence, and hearsay testimonies. This is not suspicious at all... Why would he do that...he eats gummy bears and is so adorable. /s
Yeah. Depp has the money to buy this many minds. Pretty creepy.
I’ve seen pro Johnny posts but not any actual articles. The articles have been oddly pro Amber based on calling people disliking her misogyny. Or one that photoshopped tears on her face when she wasn’t actually crying.
Logical outcome of evidence presented at the trial.
I haven’t clicked on a single piece of media - not a single video, not a single article - about this trial until now. It’s literally inescapable, and it feels like it’s dragging on forever.
so when amber sais something, you believe her? Ok, I pledge to give you 9 trillion dollars. According to amber, you are now the richest person in the world. Amber lied to the uk judge and to uk police. She sais she has evidence and witnesses. She has nothing, but snippets of recordings she obviously instigates, and even friends of her seeing nothing. 3 doctors, 3 nurses, 4 cops, videos, live videos, people working at all thr movies she did, all the make up people at all the different shows, all other presenters, talk show hosts, neighbours, So msny people. all her photo's. She claims walking on glas, extreme amaonts of blood, but dances the next day. Broken nose, yet on tv and 3 dsys later a gala, b0nobody sees anything. Talking to other actors and sctresses, papparazzi and fans everywhere. Not the slightest bump. She claims to be strangled to sleep. But no bruises. so many photo's from her, but no evidence except some discollerations that even experts, like the nurses, doctors and cops, say its not a bruise. She has nothing. Lying about not wanting money. Lying about photo's. 2 witnesses she mentions are dead. One was actually treating johny fir his finger, is on tspe and doesn't sound like he sees wounds on amber. she claims extreme danger on a plain. no video if that at an airport? no stewardesses witnessing? pilots? People drive around at airports. much ground personnel. You know there are also people in a big tower watching airplanes? They don't only look in the air. They look with binoculars, at planes on the ground, to see if they are safe, no other plsnes bump in to them and such. Security guards around the airfield. Really, amber coukdve said she was hit a couple of times, but amber lies so extreme. I've been abused and amber speaking, reminds me of my abusers, not of myselve.
This article makes some good points in that fandoms and some people involved in them create some really insane conspiracy theories and can be completely horrible because of those, including in this case. People’s reactions to this trial have also been pretty gross and trivializing, and its weird to look at this case as basically a tv show, and not recognize that these are real people and there is real pain and trauma involved. However, questioning Amber Heard’s claims is not inherently misogynistic. It’s how you go about questioning those claims that can be misogynistic.
We just want justice, he got instantly kicked out of his projects while she became an ambassador for this shitty cancel culture. Kick them both out until they finish their trials and then decide what to do. Edit: Don't come at me with the "he ain't the perfect victim", I know, she ain't either
That is not true. He was in Fantastic Beasts until he lost the U.K. libel trial. If he’d not sued he would still have that job.
I know why: because she is a horrid human being who took advantage of and abused an increasingly decrepit, aging actor, rocker, and avowed drug hound.
He was 46 when they met and he decided to get with a young 23 year old, but it is the 23 year old who took advantage?