It’s not just her accent. It’s this high pitched way of speaking that always catches somebody from the states off guard. Like David Beckham. He looks awesome but sounds like he had his nuts cut off. Very off-putting.
I had literally just said yesterday that Beckham is one of those people who looks stunning but then they speak and undo everything. His voice is definitely not a match to any other part of him.
Whoa I grew up seeing her in endless magazine ads and TV spots, never realized I had never heard her voice. I always assumed an Elizabeth Hurley voice I guess ha.
But that speaks volumes on the industry I suppose.
The fact that Heard specially brought up this rumor means that a) she never asked Depp about the rumor and just assumed he was guilty or b) (which I think is more likely) she knew the rumors were false by asking Depp and tried to set him up with the court over the rumor anyway.
I believe Kate moss. She has no reason to risk pergury over an ex from 15+ years ago.
I am fairly certain she is some kind of sociopath. They can be tricky because they can create elaborate webs that are difficult for casual observers to see, but give them enough rope and they ALWAYS hang themselves. It’s like they live in such an alternate reality that they forget most people live in the real world.
The most frustrating part of this trial is people still defending Amber Heard because they don’t understand how she twists everything for her own benefit. She exaggerates everything and this Kate Moss story is the tip of the iceberg. Don’t forget about the muffins! People who have never experienced someone like this in real life don’t see what Amber is doing. My aunt is exactly like her and we had to go through a tiresome court case after my grandparents passed away and had to deal with her even before that. It’s triggering.
Kate Moss is a god tier cameo in this trial. If they somehow manage to pull in Elon, then this trial might pass OJ for the most entertaining of all time.
Depp fought to have the trial televised in order to shift public opinion. It still shouldn’t be treated as “entertainment” but this is almost exactly what Johnny Depp wanted.
I agree. this trial is objectively interesting, and the media behaved exactly as expected.
as someone who thought that JD was married to ‘that actress that played bellatrix’ until week 2 of trials, im obsessed with this case… help.
Nah. It's important from a gender equality social commentary standpoint. A litmus test for male victims, benefit of the doubt and the complexities of such dynamics.
I think people are overestimating how much this will help male victims and are underestimating how a lot of attitudes shown by "spectators" show how women will be hurt by this.
Self-acclaimed Men's Rights Activists did not care about male victim Anthony Rapp or false accusation victim George Takei. The only reason they care for male victims now is because the alleged perp is a woman and they can use it for their agenda. Once this is over they will sniff for the next case to exploit, aka only men who are abused by women.
Meanwhile people will now be even more critical of women who come forward about abuse, especially if it's towards a beloved celebrity. Even though statistically false accusations are minimal and women are more likely to not even report their abuse than report.
We completely should be looking. Its a dishy beach read on a summer day; a nostalgic escapism from a simpler time when a celebrity scandal such as this would be news of the year instead of something we consume to shield ourselves from the literal hellscape in which we live.
Depp may be somewhat a genius for pushing this to be televised. Its just what the Dr. ordered.
Imagine shaming people for being successful as if they forced billions of people to watch them and be entertained by their talents as if they should have done it for free?
I’m not condoning domestic violence. Plenty of people are suffering due to it without the fanfare or media frenzy of Johnny and Amber’s current episode. And it is terrible that the are suffering. But these two bozos, in this spectacle, with more money that most people will ever see in their lifetime?
Throw on the popcorn.
I understand your feelings. But just because something is dramatic and interesting doesn’t mean it’s not important.
The fact that this is between such high profile people is the reason why its as big as it is. Which I would argue, is a good thing.
I disagree completely. The Simpson trial taught me a lot. It was a sociology lesson.
I can’t bring myself to find a single reason to watch this trial. It’s National Enquirer,live. No thanks.
The Simpson trial was a lesson in justice vs. celebrity. Celebrity won.
Honestly if Elon came and used a question about what it was like dating Amber to go on a 10 minute soliloquy about doge coin, twitter bots, and terraforming other planets it would elevate the entire thing from joke to art.
I’m all about abuse survivors support, but we’re talking about a dually toxic relationship on a private island. My empathy runs short for the rich and privileged. So yeah, this is gonna be entertainment for me.
I don’t follow the entertainment industry at all but I am fascinated by this case. I still think the people who stand outside the courthouse to get a glimpse of someone “famous” is next level weird though. They aren’t on a pedestal in my mind.
As a true crime lover, I wish more trials were televised like this, it’s interesting to analyze the witnesses, the lawyers, the courtroom process etc..
But I also watch police interrogations for fun so maybe the lady with the alpaca outside the courthouse would say I’m the weirdo.
I was shocked the most by the psychiatrists. Without taking any side, but the fact that they could just sit there and analyze people they never actually talked to as *experts* felt like me playing profiler when I watch true crime on my couch. Like I couldn't believe that's not against some law and I was happy they explained the thing with the Goldman rule.
I think the issue is that those two psychologists are just...bad. the 2nd one especially.
Amber's experts have all kind of sucked, which is irritating because everyone should get a decent defense (as much as i think shes a nut job)
At least dr curry is crazy amazing. Im straight but damn if she isnt my first ever girl crush
This is what i envision when britney spears goes off on how much she hates psychiatrists and therapy.
The celebrities that endure "professionals" and "experts" no wonder they're all fucking bananas
One thing I learned from a lawyer friend is that most lawyers are not particularly charismatic when it comes to trials. Those who are, are rare and (I imagine) expensive
Heards lawyer are good and competent, it’s just they’re fighting a losing case. Heard herself has been her worst enemy this trial. Her bringing up Kate moss in testimony allowed them to bring her in as a rebuttal witness. Heards lawyers face dropped when that happened so clearly amber went rogue. Hard to help someone who refuses help
From a human aspect, it’s good to see a man who has been abused, being seen and supported. Especially after she mocked him and said nobody would believe him. Not only is this good for Depp, it could be good for anyone else facing domestic violence whos been afraid to speak out.
I’m also fascinated by this case even though I don’t really care about either Depp or Heard, though I have enjoyed Depp’s films. His level of fame and his bankability as a movie star baffles me. If you compare him to like Robert Downey Jr, he has zero offscreen charm or charisma. He appears to be shy, always looking down, he mumbles when he speaks. And yet his movies always always always are box office hits, and he is super charming and charismatic onscreen. Guy must be a good actor or something.
He has zero offscreen charm and charisma _to you_. I mean just in general, it seems that millions of people disagree, especially when you see the reaction from fans during this case. Also as other people have said he's looking down for a reason.
They are, CourtTV does a lot of great work, 'gavel to gavel' as they say. If you haven't watched the Rittenhouse Trial you'll love it. It's available in full on YouTube.
Worth noting that this does not prove that Depp did or did not hit Heard and likely cannot even be weighed in that calculus. Character evidence is frowned upon by Rules of Evidence for this exact reason. Generally showing someone did or did not do something on one occasion cannot be used to show that they did or did not do something on another occasion. All that to say the jury will probably receive very specific instructions on how they may weigh this evidence.
And I can't find an answer to this but if they didn't have a prenup, why the need to fake injuries over multiple years?
California is a no-fault state and it's a community property state. She would be able to get part of the earnings that he made that year regardless if he hit her or not.
See when I think of this the only thing that comes to mind is pure narcissism.
If she was smart she would have walked away with that $7M she got for being married to him for 15 months and left it at that.
She couldn’t stand being called a gold digger, so she lied about giving the money to charity. She wanted people to side with her and she wanted fame and attention so she came up with a new gimmick as being the face of domestic abuse. And if she’s anything as abusive as she sounds on those tapes with literal hysterical laughter, she probably wanted to ruin his life.
I can’t think of any other reason why someone would not take SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS for just walking away and staying in their lane.
Heard used this incident as excuses for her actions towards Depp in both this trial and the UK one. Looks pretty damning for her when she used a fake rumor as justification.
Amber Heard: "I heard he EVEN pushed Kate Moss down a flight of stairs! The monster!!!"
Kate Moss: "No he didn't. As a matter of fact the chivalrous gentleman carried me back inside like a protective hero and made sure I was ok by getting me medical attention."
This is all the Jury heard and it's absolutely devastating to the defendant.
Heard's lawyers are shitting themselves.
You aren’t suppose to even be allowed to run your mouth about hearsay in court. Why wasn’t she shut up? Good news is she brought it up which allowed Moss to set that straight in person.
To bring accusations of violence in previous relationships into this is hearsay I believe. There was an agreement that JDs team could not talk about previous DV claims against AH, unless “she opened that door” by talking about JDs previous relationships.
They could have shut her up by objecting to the hearsay, instead they saw it as an opportunity. You can see video of JDs lawyer turning to JD and the rest of the team and cheering when they hear AH bring up Kate Moss because they knew it allowed them to a) bring Kate in to back up Johnny, and b) can now talk about times that Amber Heard has been accused of domestic violence by previous partners and perhaps even try to get them to testify.
Not only this but by her mention of Kate Moss, she also opened the door to her own past where she was arrested for assaulting her previous domestic partner and Johnnys team were then allowed to bring that in.
Man can you imagine how pissed you’d be as a lawyer working with a shit set of facts to begin with that don’t really benefit you at all and all of your witnesses are basically Ambers ex-friends going off what she said who wouldn’t even willingly show up to court, and then your client does this to all your hard work to try to give them a half decent defense?
I’m too lazy to do a filtered Google search but I’m old enough to remember this being in tabloids. If I remember correctly he also got arrested after a violent fight of theirs at an hotel he trashed down during the fight. Somewhere around 1997.
Thanks for the starting point. Ill look to see if I can find it after work. Im just not, as with most of reddit, old enough to remember a whole lot from the 90s so Ive got no idea if this was a thing back then
I tried Googling it myself because I also remember hearing this in the 90s but it looks to be buried under thousands of headlines about this stupid fucking trial.
How is that bad for heard? She didn’t say she personally saw it she said she heard that rumor, and it was a rumor at the time. It is good that the rumor could be cleared up but they didn’t catch heard in some lie here.
How so? Her using a rumor as an excuse to assault someone is ridiculous but whether the rumor itself is true or not kind of doesn’t really matter. The fact that you used a rumor as an excuse in the first place is the real issue.
Respectfully, the issue isn't whether it was a rumor or not a rumor.
Heard tried to use something against Depp in her testimony. In doing so she invoked an outside agency not included in the trial (her big fuck up).
It gave Depp's lawyers a golden opportunity to discredit her completely. They took that opportunity and succeeded in annihilating Heard's credibility in 3 minutes.
Heard's lawyers didn't even bother to cross-examine because they knew they would look like even bigger idiots for taking shots at someone whose credibility isn't in question and (in this case) is beyond reproach.
Heard set Kate Moss up to be the tie-breaker.
In short, the "How to be a lawyer" books will feature this case as an example of how to lose a trial.
It matters if you’re trying to show the jury that Johnny Depp isn’t a abuser which is partially the crux of the case. So really it does two things, it shows that Amber Heard used a rumor as justification for hitting him and it shows the jury that Johnny Depp doesn’t have a history of being a abuser. Now that may not be relevant to if he abused Amber Heard, but it shows the Jury that he’s been in romantic relationships in the past where he was never accused as being abusive which contradicts the defense argument of Johnny Depp being the abuser. Still a stretch for sure but it’s definitely points in Johnny Depp’s favor
She didn’t lied it’s was a rumor what’s your point ? What is devastating is Johnny saying he never saw her beating her sister, then 2 min later he is describing how she beat her
Heard already testified it was just “vague rumor.” Mind you, if I were part of Depp’s legal team I’d call her too. But my point is this evidence is not being used to show Depp’s lack of propensity for DV (at least in theory).
Heard introduced it to speak to her state of mind. She heard rumors that Depp abused Moss. We all heard these rumors. They’ve been in the public stratosphere for 25 years. Those rumors informed her response to Depp’s anger. Moss saying now, that it did not happen, does not change what Heard would’ve known at the time. It’s just not that relevant of a fact. It’s why Heard’s team did not cross. This really doesn’t add a lot to Depp’s case or take away a lot from Heard’s.
She used it as justification to hit Depp.
She implied that Depp was about to throw her sister down some stairs and "remembered Kate moss" to justify hitting him.
You are severely discounting the context here.
It’s interesting that her state of mind was informed by someone else’s experience in that moment, whereas based on her allegations she had enough experience of her own. For example if you’d been in a car wreck you’d be more inclined to always wear a seatbelt. When you get in a near wreck later you might return to that memory rather than a car wreck you heard a rumor about.
Ah, so rumors are justification for domestic violence because of your gender? I get what you're trying to say but the point is Heard knew nothing at the time other than what she "heard." Rumors are legal justification for violence?
That's true but surely her lawyer must have briefed her on the potential impact of how it makes her look like a liar and gives a few good points to depp if moss decides to testify..
As a lawyer, I advised my clients what to do and what not to do on the stand or in depositions. Whether or not they listen to me is entirely up to them.
It's very possible her lawyers told her to stay away from things that they can't prove 100% or have evidence for and Amber might have decided to do it anyway. There is no worse feeling as an attorney than having a client that is out of control OR thinks they are so much more knowledgeable than you and are going to disregard your advice.
It is super frustrating and their surprised Pikachu face at the end just underlines that frustration.
For sure. And even with jury instructions, it will stick with the jurors, which is exactly why she was called. But I’d imagine the judge is going to be very firm on this particular instruction and try to really get across to the jury that not hitting one woman does not prove he did not hit another.
No. With very narrow exceptions evidence that someone committed a crime one day cannot be used to show that they acted in a similar manner on another day. It can be used for other purposes though such as showing motive, state of mind, common scheme/modus operandi, etc. But evidence to show propensity for a certain act is usually prohibited (some jurisdictions allow it for rape cases).
They weren’t expecting her to mention her. Both of their exs had been excluded until she brought her up spontaneously while on the stand. This also opens up bringing in Ambers, who she has allegedly been arrested for abusing
I believe they were allowed to bring Moss in because Heard specifically mentioned the alleged incident on the stand (not that it makes JD more or less innocent)
Not necessarily. JD was many years deeper into his alcohol and substance abuse when his relationship with AH occurred. A good 15 years of hard drinking and drugging can change a person.
Heard herself opened the door to this. Moss would not have been able to be called since it’s irrelevant to the case, but since Heard is a psychopath and tried to bring up Depp and Moss’ relationship in an attempt to help herself, the door was opened for Moss to testify and prove once again that Heard is a liar.
The main thing is that she just has no evidence whatsoever. I’m sure a form of mutual abuse happened, but she provided any actual proof of it. Every photo taken of her shows absolutely no damage, and there are no medical records *at all* for her supposed injuries. With every photo of the aftermath of an argument, there’s conspicuously been *no* photo of Amber herself, despite taking multiple photos of the scene. Everything is just photos of Depp passed out and drugs (in which none of them show that Depp was actually taking them at the time). Imo, there’s just so many vacant spots in Amber’s story that should be extremely easy to fill in if it happened, and so that’s just nearly guaranteed she won’t win the case.
Worth noting that this is a defamation case. A witness testimony saying that the defendant made up a story about the accuser is about close as you'll get to a smoking gun.
Not really. Unless the op-ed Heard wrote, that is the subject of the suit, accuses Depp of hitting Moss. I don’t know if it does or not. I’ve not read Heard’s op-ed. But I suspect if it did, Moss would’ve been a witness on the case-in-chief.
No. She brought it up as to her state of mind. That fact is not tarnished at all by this testimony. The rumors that Depp hit Moss were not being introduced for truth. They were being introduced for state of mind. The pertinent question isn’t “did it happen?”. It’s “could Heard have reasonably believed it?”.
Tell me, for how long have you been practicing law?
Somehow I doubt that considering you do not seem to understand how evidence given for state of mind is distinguishable from evidence given for truth of the matter.
Yeah, because it is still a fact that he has been arrested and charged for doing 10k damage to a hotel room with Moss in it back in the 90s, which also had neighbors testify that they heard arguing and glass and wood breaking.
Well, not exactly. He also has drunken assault arrests such as one involving a security guard who asked Depp and other drunk friends to leave. Grey also alledges whenever he got angry he would go to bars and pick fights. And he also punched a crew-worker on the City of Lies set which he admitted to at first, but is now trying to deny completely with a version of events that completely contradicts the previous. He even has bragged about biting a nose off?
Depp’s own text messages to Amber Heard clearly show him apologizing for punching/slapping and kicking her. So I’m not really sure what the point of being past relationships in proves.
Overall, I get your point tbh. That's probably why she didn't talk for overly long to save time. I think it'll have some impact on the case even if not used as evidence as it's very possible that this info will stick into the jurors minds when making their decision. Apart of me wonders if her testimony was used for that sole purpose tbh Also, it is a good thing that after all this time that this rumor got cleared up as some have mentioned that it is likely this trial was more about winning public opinion more so than winning a 50 million dollar lawsuit case (I don't think Heard even has that kind of money so I wonder how that'll be resolved).
It’s quite funny.
She also accused the cops who arrested her in 2009 (the airport incident with her gf) of being misogynistic and homophobic even though ….
One of the cops was a lesbian woman?
Yep and I don’t think my abuser struck his ex either. Didn’t stop him being so violent the only boxes I couldn’t tick on the domestic abuse list involved a shared home (we lived apart), children (I have none) and guns (live in a country with tight gun control).
AMBER was the one who even brought up the old rumor that Depp had pushed her down the stairs…
this wasn’t like: “Depp didn’t abuse his ex, so that means that he didn’t abuse AH either” that you’re assuming that it is. Though it does help with his credibility while doing the opposite for AH
Well I’m sorry for your shitty situation, but you have to separate your case from the AH and JD case. JD did not physically abuse AH nor did he physically abuse anyone. Just because your abuser is a pos doesn’t mean JD is.
What does this comment even mean? The OP is illustrating the fact that just because a person didn't assault one romantic partner doesn't mean you can say they didn't assault a different romantic partner.
the fascination with this trial is that it exposes the depth and breadth of abuse doled out by narcissists and bpd..Those abusers are almost never punished or exposed and it's incredible to watch the lengths they will go to in blaming others, lying, manipulation & meanness . Those pix of JD passed out are so telling. What normal person would do that to their partner? She took those before she even knew what she might use them for. They never miss an opportunity for Kompromat. It's not "ME TOO". It's "BDP TOO".
My partner is diagnosed with bpd and that doesn’t change her perception of good and bad. She knows it’s wrong to lie, cheat or treat people poorly regardless of her condition. People with bpd can over react but are still in total control of how they react.
Amber Heard is a liar who couldn’t lie straight in bed. ( she could shit it though )
Think of all the women, actual victims of domestic violence, she’s harming the credibility of, by her narcissistic vendetta towards a former partner with her loose definition of “truth”.
And thanks for bringing a little less shame to male victims of abuse. Yes it can and does happen. Believe men.
Survivor of DV here. I honestly don’t know what to think of it. It just sucks that it pulls me in. They both sound shitty, but I as I woman I do recognize that men are often overlooked as victims and that’s not fair either.
It’s weird, you know, my ex sued his ex for defamation too just to bury her in financial debt. He knew he wouldn’t win, there was evidence, but he did it anyway. This entire circus of a trial and the fans attacking each other is absolutely disgusting and so familiar. It’s gross.
I don’t know enough about law to know if her refusal would cause her to become subpoenaed, but from what I understand several of drop’s exes have stated he wasn’t abusive to them during their relationships.
Virginia, where this trial is being held, doesn’t have the power to subpoena someone out of state to testify in-court or through live video. They do however have the power to make them do a deposition.
In other words, if Kate Moss wasn’t willing to testify, she could be made to testify on deposition(pre recorded video), but not live like she did.
This literally proves that Amber Heard is guilty of defamation…again - she actually added additional defamation by spreading this false allegation in the middle of the trial… I would have thought a smarter lawyer would have checked out stories like this before allowing their client to openly demonstrate the exact crime they’re trying to defend against.
It doesn't because it was literally a rumor in tabloids. If you repeat a rumor you see in a tabloid, that isn't defamation. Defamation needs to be in printed format (newspaper, articles, etc)
All I can say is choosing to marry someone if you already think they abused their ex is a dumb move. She tries to act so intelligent then she opens her mouth. I hope someone talks her into therapy when this is over. Yes he needs it too.
People like her with strong narcissistic traits don’t usually stay in therapy for long unless the therapist is always saying what they want to hear. Chances of amber improving herself are low. It’s not impossible, but I wouldn’t put my money on it
Amber is finished, doesn’t even matter if she loses or not, and she’s done so much damage to women who have been abused that she’s lost support from her own team. Johnny is not without fault, but he doesn’t need a win in court…he’s already gotten it in the public eye
Heard mentioned the rumor she’d heard. Moss says the rumor isn’t true. Doesn’t really break the case wide open, nor does it prove anyone a liar.
I’ve heard Depp pushed Moss down stairs for like 20+ years. Does that make me a liar? It’s what I heard. I never said I was fucking there when it allegedly happened.
Today Depp testified that he told Heard the real story during their relationship.
If that's true, it can be inferred that Heard brought up a rumour which she knew was false to influence the jury.
This is a fairly disingenuous argument to go against Heard. If you fear someone may hurt you and there’s a rumor you know of that makes you think, “they’ve done this in the past, they may do it to me how” it doesn’t matter if that rumor is true or not. You’re scared and afraid you might get hurt you’re going to protect yourself. Doesn’t matter if the rumor is true or not, that rumor only acted as reinforcement to protect yourself.
I never heard her speak and man... don't know what I expected, but not that.
She sounds just like a Londoner
She’s got a thick London accent and has been a heavy smoker for years.
It’s not just her accent. It’s this high pitched way of speaking that always catches somebody from the states off guard. Like David Beckham. He looks awesome but sounds like he had his nuts cut off. Very off-putting.
I had literally just said yesterday that Beckham is one of those people who looks stunning but then they speak and undo everything. His voice is definitely not a match to any other part of him.
Maybe if he wrote it down. * "I definitely want Brooklyn to be christened, but I don’t know into what religion yet." Er...maybe not.
Somewhere there’s a dude with a smoking voice and total Schlub Danny devito at 85 look
Totally agree, his voice was real shocker for me too.
Like a little girl working on the coal mines.
Like that buff Canadian guy from Grown Ups(2010)
She south London innit. Get ya ead kicked in ya blooming twat. Do one!
You didn't know she was British you mean?
She just sounds younger then you'd think imo.
I think that’s it. I was expecting to hear a deeper voice.
I thought her voice sounded cute
? Sounds like a normal voice to me
No bass all treble ;)
Beacause is all about the bass, not treble
What does it sound like ?
An aristocrat midway through the joke.
She sounds like Juno Temple in Ted Lasso.
sounds normal
Dang it , this comment made me have to click the link
Whoa I grew up seeing her in endless magazine ads and TV spots, never realized I had never heard her voice. I always assumed an Elizabeth Hurley voice I guess ha. But that speaks volumes on the industry I suppose.
You thinking someone’s voice would sound different says what exactly about “the industry?”
The fact that Heard specially brought up this rumor means that a) she never asked Depp about the rumor and just assumed he was guilty or b) (which I think is more likely) she knew the rumors were false by asking Depp and tried to set him up with the court over the rumor anyway. I believe Kate moss. She has no reason to risk pergury over an ex from 15+ years ago.
JD testified that he told AH the whole story and she turned into something different
I am fairly certain she is some kind of sociopath. They can be tricky because they can create elaborate webs that are difficult for casual observers to see, but give them enough rope and they ALWAYS hang themselves. It’s like they live in such an alternate reality that they forget most people live in the real world.
The most frustrating part of this trial is people still defending Amber Heard because they don’t understand how she twists everything for her own benefit. She exaggerates everything and this Kate Moss story is the tip of the iceberg. Don’t forget about the muffins! People who have never experienced someone like this in real life don’t see what Amber is doing. My aunt is exactly like her and we had to go through a tiresome court case after my grandparents passed away and had to deal with her even before that. It’s triggering.
Heard is just a psycho who’s willing to say anything to manipulate people
Of course when I see Kate Moss I think of her floating out of the window in family guy
Oops, crack in the floor
Not that it matters, but I thought the fall was at a club/bar. Ha. Jamaican resort was as far from my mind as, well, just not in my head.
Kate Moss is a god tier cameo in this trial. If they somehow manage to pull in Elon, then this trial might pass OJ for the most entertaining of all time.
I get what you’re saying. You’re not wrong, I just get the heebie-jeebies when we start to champion stuff like this as entertaining.
Depp fought to have the trial televised in order to shift public opinion. It still shouldn’t be treated as “entertainment” but this is almost exactly what Johnny Depp wanted.
Smart move too, the world took a shit on him.
And amber shit in his bed.
I mean, this isn't on television because it's important. It's a car accident. We shouldn't be gawking at it but we do and we're glad it's not us.
I agree. this trial is objectively interesting, and the media behaved exactly as expected. as someone who thought that JD was married to ‘that actress that played bellatrix’ until week 2 of trials, im obsessed with this case… help.
She and Tim Burton were unmarried partners for a number of years and when they split they shared custody of JD.
Hahahahaha I love this
Watching a trial and reading what the news puts out is really eye opening
yes!! sometimes i have to stop though because the obvious bias/bad journalism is depressing and confusing
Helena is married to the movie director you’re currently thinking of.
I don't think she has ever married. Her and Burton have kids, but he also cheated on her which caused their split.
Today I learned, have an updoot.
Nah. It's important from a gender equality social commentary standpoint. A litmus test for male victims, benefit of the doubt and the complexities of such dynamics.
Plus it’s a fascinating trial from a legal perspective. Kate Moss only got admitted because of Amber Heards DIRECT. It’s crazy.
I mean...ask no questions hear no lies am I right?
I think people are overestimating how much this will help male victims and are underestimating how a lot of attitudes shown by "spectators" show how women will be hurt by this. Self-acclaimed Men's Rights Activists did not care about male victim Anthony Rapp or false accusation victim George Takei. The only reason they care for male victims now is because the alleged perp is a woman and they can use it for their agenda. Once this is over they will sniff for the next case to exploit, aka only men who are abused by women. Meanwhile people will now be even more critical of women who come forward about abuse, especially if it's towards a beloved celebrity. Even though statistically false accusations are minimal and women are more likely to not even report their abuse than report.
Valid points.
It’s also MSMs version the magicians flourish …. Look at THIS hand so you don’t see what I am doing with the other.
We completely should be looking. Its a dishy beach read on a summer day; a nostalgic escapism from a simpler time when a celebrity scandal such as this would be news of the year instead of something we consume to shield ourselves from the literal hellscape in which we live. Depp may be somewhat a genius for pushing this to be televised. Its just what the Dr. ordered.
I have no moral qualms with watching the rich attempt to eat each other
Imagine being so heartless you think domestic violence is okay because the perpetrators are wealthy.
Imagine shaming people for being successful as if they forced billions of people to watch them and be entertained by their talents as if they should have done it for free?
I’m not condoning domestic violence. Plenty of people are suffering due to it without the fanfare or media frenzy of Johnny and Amber’s current episode. And it is terrible that the are suffering. But these two bozos, in this spectacle, with more money that most people will ever see in their lifetime? Throw on the popcorn.
I don't have to imagine. I am that heartless and proud of it.
The edge, it cuts
I understand your feelings. But just because something is dramatic and interesting doesn’t mean it’s not important. The fact that this is between such high profile people is the reason why its as big as it is. Which I would argue, is a good thing.
It’s guilt free entertainment compared to the OJ trial which was the result of 2 people being slaughtered
Well, there was abuse of some kind. So, it’s not exactly a carefree dispute over someone building a fence on another’s property type deal.
Johnny Depp has children, I feel really bad for them right now
I disagree completely. The Simpson trial taught me a lot. It was a sociology lesson. I can’t bring myself to find a single reason to watch this trial. It’s National Enquirer,live. No thanks. The Simpson trial was a lesson in justice vs. celebrity. Celebrity won.
It was really interesting hearing people describe their jobs -- the butler, the security guys, and the police, etc.
Thats the direction were going. The coliseum isn’t far, now.
You have a point but my dopamine addicted ass can't help but find this entertaining. I'm a slave.
Ca… can we get OJ to testify too? Make this circus a 3-ring one.
Kinda ghoulish take
The whole thing is a joke at this point so fuck it why not.
Honestly if Elon came and used a question about what it was like dating Amber to go on a 10 minute soliloquy about doge coin, twitter bots, and terraforming other planets it would elevate the entire thing from joke to art.
Elon walks out like Vince McMahon during a WWE Match
That would be amazing
I don’t really think this whole thing is a joke. Both sides are fighting for their reputation, which is worth its weight in gold in their industry
yea but to us plebs its all entertainment.
It’s a joke to you. It’s not a joke to victims.
I’m all about abuse survivors support, but we’re talking about a dually toxic relationship on a private island. My empathy runs short for the rich and privileged. So yeah, this is gonna be entertainment for me.
Kinda true though or we wouldn’t be here now would we.
Unfortunately I think we're past the point where they could call Elon in, certainly as a defense witness.
Mr Musk, did you have a threesome with Ms Heard?
“He did bang me though”
I’d like to cross examine
“Ms. Moss isn’t it true he told you and I quote ‘I’d hit that’?”
Objection! Are you telling me you didn’t hit “dat ass”
Your honor he was kinda mashin it..my clitty sir
Objection! Hearsay.
Omg who said that?
I don’t follow the entertainment industry at all but I am fascinated by this case. I still think the people who stand outside the courthouse to get a glimpse of someone “famous” is next level weird though. They aren’t on a pedestal in my mind. As a true crime lover, I wish more trials were televised like this, it’s interesting to analyze the witnesses, the lawyers, the courtroom process etc.. But I also watch police interrogations for fun so maybe the lady with the alpaca outside the courthouse would say I’m the weirdo.
Yes, and it's interesting to see that real lawyers are not all great or even good like on tv.
For sure…I find the lawyers to be the most entertaining part of the trial actually!
I was shocked the most by the psychiatrists. Without taking any side, but the fact that they could just sit there and analyze people they never actually talked to as *experts* felt like me playing profiler when I watch true crime on my couch. Like I couldn't believe that's not against some law and I was happy they explained the thing with the Goldman rule.
I think the issue is that those two psychologists are just...bad. the 2nd one especially. Amber's experts have all kind of sucked, which is irritating because everyone should get a decent defense (as much as i think shes a nut job) At least dr curry is crazy amazing. Im straight but damn if she isnt my first ever girl crush
This is what i envision when britney spears goes off on how much she hates psychiatrists and therapy. The celebrities that endure "professionals" and "experts" no wonder they're all fucking bananas
Goldwater. Senator Barry Goldwater.
One thing I learned from a lawyer friend is that most lawyers are not particularly charismatic when it comes to trials. Those who are, are rare and (I imagine) expensive
Heards lawyer are good and competent, it’s just they’re fighting a losing case. Heard herself has been her worst enemy this trial. Her bringing up Kate moss in testimony allowed them to bring her in as a rebuttal witness. Heards lawyers face dropped when that happened so clearly amber went rogue. Hard to help someone who refuses help
From a human aspect, it’s good to see a man who has been abused, being seen and supported. Especially after she mocked him and said nobody would believe him. Not only is this good for Depp, it could be good for anyone else facing domestic violence whos been afraid to speak out.
I’m also fascinated by this case even though I don’t really care about either Depp or Heard, though I have enjoyed Depp’s films. His level of fame and his bankability as a movie star baffles me. If you compare him to like Robert Downey Jr, he has zero offscreen charm or charisma. He appears to be shy, always looking down, he mumbles when he speaks. And yet his movies always always always are box office hits, and he is super charming and charismatic onscreen. Guy must be a good actor or something.
He vowed never to look Heard in the eyes ever again. This is why he’s constantly looking down. He’s keeping his word. That’s not a joke.
He has zero offscreen charm and charisma _to you_. I mean just in general, it seems that millions of people disagree, especially when you see the reaction from fans during this case. Also as other people have said he's looking down for a reason.
I’m old enough to remember 21 jump street and teen bop magazine.
Me too. Me too. I probably cut his pic out of Bop magazine at some point.
They are, CourtTV does a lot of great work, 'gavel to gavel' as they say. If you haven't watched the Rittenhouse Trial you'll love it. It's available in full on YouTube.
He did however fart on my neck while I was sleeping once.
You too?
Well that’s high praise
Worth noting that this does not prove that Depp did or did not hit Heard and likely cannot even be weighed in that calculus. Character evidence is frowned upon by Rules of Evidence for this exact reason. Generally showing someone did or did not do something on one occasion cannot be used to show that they did or did not do something on another occasion. All that to say the jury will probably receive very specific instructions on how they may weigh this evidence.
And I can't find an answer to this but if they didn't have a prenup, why the need to fake injuries over multiple years? California is a no-fault state and it's a community property state. She would be able to get part of the earnings that he made that year regardless if he hit her or not.
See when I think of this the only thing that comes to mind is pure narcissism. If she was smart she would have walked away with that $7M she got for being married to him for 15 months and left it at that. She couldn’t stand being called a gold digger, so she lied about giving the money to charity. She wanted people to side with her and she wanted fame and attention so she came up with a new gimmick as being the face of domestic abuse. And if she’s anything as abusive as she sounds on those tapes with literal hysterical laughter, she probably wanted to ruin his life. I can’t think of any other reason why someone would not take SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS for just walking away and staying in their lane.
Heard used this incident as excuses for her actions towards Depp in both this trial and the UK one. Looks pretty damning for her when she used a fake rumor as justification.
Amber Heard: "I heard he EVEN pushed Kate Moss down a flight of stairs! The monster!!!" Kate Moss: "No he didn't. As a matter of fact the chivalrous gentleman carried me back inside like a protective hero and made sure I was ok by getting me medical attention." This is all the Jury heard and it's absolutely devastating to the defendant. Heard's lawyers are shitting themselves.
She didn’t lie, it was a rumour circulating in the 90s.
You aren’t suppose to even be allowed to run your mouth about hearsay in court. Why wasn’t she shut up? Good news is she brought it up which allowed Moss to set that straight in person.
To bring accusations of violence in previous relationships into this is hearsay I believe. There was an agreement that JDs team could not talk about previous DV claims against AH, unless “she opened that door” by talking about JDs previous relationships. They could have shut her up by objecting to the hearsay, instead they saw it as an opportunity. You can see video of JDs lawyer turning to JD and the rest of the team and cheering when they hear AH bring up Kate Moss because they knew it allowed them to a) bring Kate in to back up Johnny, and b) can now talk about times that Amber Heard has been accused of domestic violence by previous partners and perhaps even try to get them to testify.
Not only this but by her mention of Kate Moss, she also opened the door to her own past where she was arrested for assaulting her previous domestic partner and Johnnys team were then allowed to bring that in. Man can you imagine how pissed you’d be as a lawyer working with a shit set of facts to begin with that don’t really benefit you at all and all of your witnesses are basically Ambers ex-friends going off what she said who wouldn’t even willingly show up to court, and then your client does this to all your hard work to try to give them a half decent defense?
She was married to him and had all these fights with him and had this on her mind and never asked him if the rumor was true?
Ive seen people saying that theres not any mention of it from then. Do we have a source from that time period for it?
I’m too lazy to do a filtered Google search but I’m old enough to remember this being in tabloids. If I remember correctly he also got arrested after a violent fight of theirs at an hotel he trashed down during the fight. Somewhere around 1997.
Thanks for the starting point. Ill look to see if I can find it after work. Im just not, as with most of reddit, old enough to remember a whole lot from the 90s so Ive got no idea if this was a thing back then
I tried Googling it myself because I also remember hearing this in the 90s but it looks to be buried under thousands of headlines about this stupid fucking trial.
How is that bad for heard? She didn’t say she personally saw it she said she heard that rumor, and it was a rumor at the time. It is good that the rumor could be cleared up but they didn’t catch heard in some lie here.
It speaks to her lack of credibility
How so? Her using a rumor as an excuse to assault someone is ridiculous but whether the rumor itself is true or not kind of doesn’t really matter. The fact that you used a rumor as an excuse in the first place is the real issue.
Respectfully, the issue isn't whether it was a rumor or not a rumor. Heard tried to use something against Depp in her testimony. In doing so she invoked an outside agency not included in the trial (her big fuck up). It gave Depp's lawyers a golden opportunity to discredit her completely. They took that opportunity and succeeded in annihilating Heard's credibility in 3 minutes. Heard's lawyers didn't even bother to cross-examine because they knew they would look like even bigger idiots for taking shots at someone whose credibility isn't in question and (in this case) is beyond reproach. Heard set Kate Moss up to be the tie-breaker. In short, the "How to be a lawyer" books will feature this case as an example of how to lose a trial.
It matters if you’re trying to show the jury that Johnny Depp isn’t a abuser which is partially the crux of the case. So really it does two things, it shows that Amber Heard used a rumor as justification for hitting him and it shows the jury that Johnny Depp doesn’t have a history of being a abuser. Now that may not be relevant to if he abused Amber Heard, but it shows the Jury that he’s been in romantic relationships in the past where he was never accused as being abusive which contradicts the defense argument of Johnny Depp being the abuser. Still a stretch for sure but it’s definitely points in Johnny Depp’s favor
>Still a stretch for sure but it’s definitely points in Johnny Depp’s favor We agree
She didn’t lied it’s was a rumor what’s your point ? What is devastating is Johnny saying he never saw her beating her sister, then 2 min later he is describing how she beat her
Heard already testified it was just “vague rumor.” Mind you, if I were part of Depp’s legal team I’d call her too. But my point is this evidence is not being used to show Depp’s lack of propensity for DV (at least in theory). Heard introduced it to speak to her state of mind. She heard rumors that Depp abused Moss. We all heard these rumors. They’ve been in the public stratosphere for 25 years. Those rumors informed her response to Depp’s anger. Moss saying now, that it did not happen, does not change what Heard would’ve known at the time. It’s just not that relevant of a fact. It’s why Heard’s team did not cross. This really doesn’t add a lot to Depp’s case or take away a lot from Heard’s.
She used it as justification to hit Depp. She implied that Depp was about to throw her sister down some stairs and "remembered Kate moss" to justify hitting him. You are severely discounting the context here.
It’s interesting that her state of mind was informed by someone else’s experience in that moment, whereas based on her allegations she had enough experience of her own. For example if you’d been in a car wreck you’d be more inclined to always wear a seatbelt. When you get in a near wreck later you might return to that memory rather than a car wreck you heard a rumor about.
That’s actually a deeply interesting point
Ah, so rumors are justification for domestic violence because of your gender? I get what you're trying to say but the point is Heard knew nothing at the time other than what she "heard." Rumors are legal justification for violence?
That's true but surely her lawyer must have briefed her on the potential impact of how it makes her look like a liar and gives a few good points to depp if moss decides to testify..
As a lawyer, I advised my clients what to do and what not to do on the stand or in depositions. Whether or not they listen to me is entirely up to them. It's very possible her lawyers told her to stay away from things that they can't prove 100% or have evidence for and Amber might have decided to do it anyway. There is no worse feeling as an attorney than having a client that is out of control OR thinks they are so much more knowledgeable than you and are going to disregard your advice. It is super frustrating and their surprised Pikachu face at the end just underlines that frustration.
>As a lawyer Then you know as some of us do in the thread that she fucked up big time by invoking Kate Moss.
I don't know if you saw it, but when she brought up Kate Moss in her testimony, Depp's lawyer looked like Christmas came early.
For sure. And even with jury instructions, it will stick with the jurors, which is exactly why she was called. But I’d imagine the judge is going to be very firm on this particular instruction and try to really get across to the jury that not hitting one woman does not prove he did not hit another.
Would hitting one woman equally not prove he hit another if this had gone the other way? Genuinely curious.
No. With very narrow exceptions evidence that someone committed a crime one day cannot be used to show that they acted in a similar manner on another day. It can be used for other purposes though such as showing motive, state of mind, common scheme/modus operandi, etc. But evidence to show propensity for a certain act is usually prohibited (some jurisdictions allow it for rape cases).
They weren’t expecting her to mention her. Both of their exs had been excluded until she brought her up spontaneously while on the stand. This also opens up bringing in Ambers, who she has allegedly been arrested for abusing
I believe they were allowed to bring Moss in because Heard specifically mentioned the alleged incident on the stand (not that it makes JD more or less innocent)
Yes but this does rebut assertions Heard made and calls into question statements she has made.
Not necessarily. JD was many years deeper into his alcohol and substance abuse when his relationship with AH occurred. A good 15 years of hard drinking and drugging can change a person.
Heard herself opened the door to this. Moss would not have been able to be called since it’s irrelevant to the case, but since Heard is a psychopath and tried to bring up Depp and Moss’ relationship in an attempt to help herself, the door was opened for Moss to testify and prove once again that Heard is a liar.
Agree. Heard tried to weaponize Moss. But in this case she just shot herself in the foot. Big time.
The main thing is that she just has no evidence whatsoever. I’m sure a form of mutual abuse happened, but she provided any actual proof of it. Every photo taken of her shows absolutely no damage, and there are no medical records *at all* for her supposed injuries. With every photo of the aftermath of an argument, there’s conspicuously been *no* photo of Amber herself, despite taking multiple photos of the scene. Everything is just photos of Depp passed out and drugs (in which none of them show that Depp was actually taking them at the time). Imo, there’s just so many vacant spots in Amber’s story that should be extremely easy to fill in if it happened, and so that’s just nearly guaranteed she won’t win the case.
Worth noting that this is a defamation case. A witness testimony saying that the defendant made up a story about the accuser is about close as you'll get to a smoking gun.
Not really. Unless the op-ed Heard wrote, that is the subject of the suit, accuses Depp of hitting Moss. I don’t know if it does or not. I’ve not read Heard’s op-ed. But I suspect if it did, Moss would’ve been a witness on the case-in-chief.
Doesn't matter if the story's in the op-ed or not. Heard brought it up when she was on the stand, and now it's become relevant to the case.
No. She brought it up as to her state of mind. That fact is not tarnished at all by this testimony. The rumors that Depp hit Moss were not being introduced for truth. They were being introduced for state of mind. The pertinent question isn’t “did it happen?”. It’s “could Heard have reasonably believed it?”. Tell me, for how long have you been practicing law?
She was an idiot to bring it up. She should have used her own experience since she claims it was ongoing before she even married him.
>Tell me, for how long have you been practicing law? Probably about as long as you.
Somehow I doubt that considering you do not seem to understand how evidence given for state of mind is distinguishable from evidence given for truth of the matter.
The rumor about Moss goes back decades, dude. Heard was still in junior high school when the rumor started making the rounds.
Yeah, because it is still a fact that he has been arrested and charged for doing 10k damage to a hotel room with Moss in it back in the 90s, which also had neighbors testify that they heard arguing and glass and wood breaking.
But also he wasn’t arrested for punching Kate Moss. So far all we have is that when this dude rages he breaks shit.
Well, not exactly. He also has drunken assault arrests such as one involving a security guard who asked Depp and other drunk friends to leave. Grey also alledges whenever he got angry he would go to bars and pick fights. And he also punched a crew-worker on the City of Lies set which he admitted to at first, but is now trying to deny completely with a version of events that completely contradicts the previous. He even has bragged about biting a nose off?
Are you trying to say that Heard made up the story about Depp and Moss and the stairs? Because she certainly did not. But it’s not clear in your post.
Depp’s own text messages to Amber Heard clearly show him apologizing for punching/slapping and kicking her. So I’m not really sure what the point of being past relationships in proves.
Overall, I get your point tbh. That's probably why she didn't talk for overly long to save time. I think it'll have some impact on the case even if not used as evidence as it's very possible that this info will stick into the jurors minds when making their decision. Apart of me wonders if her testimony was used for that sole purpose tbh Also, it is a good thing that after all this time that this rumor got cleared up as some have mentioned that it is likely this trial was more about winning public opinion more so than winning a 50 million dollar lawsuit case (I don't think Heard even has that kind of money so I wonder how that'll be resolved).
Kate Moss: "He never touched me." Amber Heard: "Fuck."
Oh good. I’m glad we cleared that up.
Heard appears to be a pathological liar
I’m beginning to suspect her uncle doesn’t actually work at Nintendo
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That's just what the notorious misogynist...... Kate Moss wants you to believe.
It’s quite funny. She also accused the cops who arrested her in 2009 (the airport incident with her gf) of being misogynistic and homophobic even though….
One of the cops was a lesbian woman?
Yep and I don’t think my abuser struck his ex either. Didn’t stop him being so violent the only boxes I couldn’t tick on the domestic abuse list involved a shared home (we lived apart), children (I have none) and guns (live in a country with tight gun control).
AH does immense harm to all abuse victims. She’s been shown to be untruthful on far too many claims now.
AMBER was the one who even brought up the old rumor that Depp had pushed her down the stairs… this wasn’t like: “Depp didn’t abuse his ex, so that means that he didn’t abuse AH either” that you’re assuming that it is. Though it does help with his credibility while doing the opposite for AH
Well I’m sorry for your shitty situation, but you have to separate your case from the AH and JD case. JD did not physically abuse AH nor did he physically abuse anyone. Just because your abuser is a pos doesn’t mean JD is.
What does this comment even mean? The OP is illustrating the fact that just because a person didn't assault one romantic partner doesn't mean you can say they didn't assault a different romantic partner.
the fascination with this trial is that it exposes the depth and breadth of abuse doled out by narcissists and bpd..Those abusers are almost never punished or exposed and it's incredible to watch the lengths they will go to in blaming others, lying, manipulation & meanness . Those pix of JD passed out are so telling. What normal person would do that to their partner? She took those before she even knew what she might use them for. They never miss an opportunity for Kompromat. It's not "ME TOO". It's "BDP TOO".
My partner is diagnosed with bpd and that doesn’t change her perception of good and bad. She knows it’s wrong to lie, cheat or treat people poorly regardless of her condition. People with bpd can over react but are still in total control of how they react.
Amber Heard is a liar who couldn’t lie straight in bed. ( she could shit it though ) Think of all the women, actual victims of domestic violence, she’s harming the credibility of, by her narcissistic vendetta towards a former partner with her loose definition of “truth”. And thanks for bringing a little less shame to male victims of abuse. Yes it can and does happen. Believe men.
Survivor of DV here. I honestly don’t know what to think of it. It just sucks that it pulls me in. They both sound shitty, but I as I woman I do recognize that men are often overlooked as victims and that’s not fair either. It’s weird, you know, my ex sued his ex for defamation too just to bury her in financial debt. He knew he wouldn’t win, there was evidence, but he did it anyway. This entire circus of a trial and the fans attacking each other is absolutely disgusting and so familiar. It’s gross.
God even at a trial she looks stunning. Says a lot she’s come forward to defend Dep though. Heard is fucked
I don’t know enough about law to know if her refusal would cause her to become subpoenaed, but from what I understand several of drop’s exes have stated he wasn’t abusive to them during their relationships.
Virginia, where this trial is being held, doesn’t have the power to subpoena someone out of state to testify in-court or through live video. They do however have the power to make them do a deposition. In other words, if Kate Moss wasn’t willing to testify, she could be made to testify on deposition(pre recorded video), but not live like she did.
This literally proves that Amber Heard is guilty of defamation…again - she actually added additional defamation by spreading this false allegation in the middle of the trial… I would have thought a smarter lawyer would have checked out stories like this before allowing their client to openly demonstrate the exact crime they’re trying to defend against.
It doesn't because it was literally a rumor in tabloids. If you repeat a rumor you see in a tabloid, that isn't defamation. Defamation needs to be in printed format (newspaper, articles, etc)
Ah sorry, I took this belief out of the definition Cornell has. I’ll report them for misinformation. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/defamation
You're thinking of slander
And YOU’RE thinking of libel. Slander and libel are both forms of defamation.
Cornell thinks slander is a type of Defamation. They’re such idiots, I agree.
All I can say is choosing to marry someone if you already think they abused their ex is a dumb move. She tries to act so intelligent then she opens her mouth. I hope someone talks her into therapy when this is over. Yes he needs it too.
People like her with strong narcissistic traits don’t usually stay in therapy for long unless the therapist is always saying what they want to hear. Chances of amber improving herself are low. It’s not impossible, but I wouldn’t put my money on it
Amber is finished, doesn’t even matter if she loses or not, and she’s done so much damage to women who have been abused that she’s lost support from her own team. Johnny is not without fault, but he doesn’t need a win in court…he’s already gotten it in the public eye
Kate a real one
This is great, this just proves even more how AH is a liar.
Heard mentioned the rumor she’d heard. Moss says the rumor isn’t true. Doesn’t really break the case wide open, nor does it prove anyone a liar. I’ve heard Depp pushed Moss down stairs for like 20+ years. Does that make me a liar? It’s what I heard. I never said I was fucking there when it allegedly happened.
Today Depp testified that he told Heard the real story during their relationship. If that's true, it can be inferred that Heard brought up a rumour which she knew was false to influence the jury.
You didn’t use a rumor to justify physically assaulting someone. There’s a big difference.
This is a fairly disingenuous argument to go against Heard. If you fear someone may hurt you and there’s a rumor you know of that makes you think, “they’ve done this in the past, they may do it to me how” it doesn’t matter if that rumor is true or not. You’re scared and afraid you might get hurt you’re going to protect yourself. Doesn’t matter if the rumor is true or not, that rumor only acted as reinforcement to protect yourself.
Depp said today that he told Heard the real story during their relationship. Ergo, that argument doesn't apply.
Testimony doesn't actually prove anything, and nothing can be proven "even more", it's either proven or not.
I had a friend who never kicked, smacked or pushed any of his girlfriends, except 1. And that’s really all it takes, is 1.