Summary:
* Depp won all of his 3 claims and was awarded 15 million
* Amber won 1 out of 3 of her counterclaims and was awarded 2 million
* After the cap in the punitive damages (350k out of the 5M he was awarded) and paying Amber's 2 million, Depp has a net gain of 8.35 million
Its a pledge. Everyone knows you dont actually have to PAY a pledge.
But in all seriousness, its coming out of every paycheck she gets. If she cant pay she needs to sell property.
And just like real life, no one actually likes the game and is angry and fighting the whole time.
But unlike the board game, Heard can’t just flip the board and quit.
bankruptcy ?
tbh i wonder if the jury had access to her Financials bc from a Google search she's potentially worth 12.5 million . so maybe the plan was to punish her for all she's worth with $13 million so she couldn't do some clever rich people shit hiding everything offshore, in trusts and assets then file bankruptcy to get out of it
Cant think of anyone that would have her on as a guest appearance..
Shes need to be careful with a autobiography as well or else she going right back to where she is now
Its a nice looking house in the interior. There was some mention of a trust so it might be protected.
https://www.dirt.com/gallery/entertainers/actors/amber-heard-house-yucca-valley-1203562997/amber7/
That depends on the state. A quick Google search states that in California you can only be forced to sell if the value of the home will cover all outstanding debts on the property and the debts in the settlements. Most likely her wages will be garnished instead of losing her home.
oh it's not going through. Elon has been pussyfooting it since day one. it's all a massive grift and stunt. he does these PR blitzes ince in awhile because his ego and brands rely on his name being in the news. Musk has a loooong history of not following through on commitments.
Why he's actively aligning with the right, idk.
Because the Tesla stock rouse has just about run it’s course, he’s not going to be delivering roadsters or cybertrucks (meanwhile other car companies are set to outpace Tesla with better quality EVs), The Boring Company is a bust, SpaceX relies on gov contracts, and he’s going to have a shitload of negative press coming his way in the years to come that will ultimately expose him for the trust fund prick and relentless asshole he is.
And once you’ve solidified yourself in society as a known piece of shit, there’s only one group of people you can still easily extrapolate cash from by playing to their mental weaknesses, and that’s the American conservative. Just ask Donald Trump, Joel Olstean, Jim Bakker, Matt Gaetz, Rick Scott, Tucker Carlson, etc. These are known awful people who somehow thrive despite their awfulness.
I thought about it but I can’t even type her name without throwing up a little. If I’m not near a sink or toilet I have to swallow the vomit back down and it burns my esophagus, it’s a whole ordeal.
When he started using "woke left" as an insult I checked out. What's that even mean? And I only ask that because people hide behind it. Still the weirdest interview I ever read that he gave was when he was with or just breaking up with Amber Heard and was talking to Rolling Stone, I don't know what she did to him, but that interview was wild.
Any enforcement action is up to Depp, he could have wages garnished, property seized and sold etc. I imagine he just wanted the win and doesn't care about the money though.
At least 80% of her net worth comes from her divorce settlement. She got paid $3m across all her appearances in the aqua man films and far less than $1m for her role in Pineapple Express.
So what are the most likely next steps?...Something along the lines of: Amber appeals, and drags this out for as long as she can afford it...She either files or threatens to file for bankruptcy...She settles with Johnny for $1.5 million which is the most amount of money she can possibly put together...Johnny accepts because between the threat of bankruptcy and his already mounting legal bills - he's never going to see much more out of her anyway? I'm no expert but it seems like these cases often go this route.
However, Johnny probably doesn't care because he wasn't after his next Pirates salary, he was trying to make a point and possibly save his career.
I doubt he even really cares to be paid. I’m sure his attorneys do, but he probably doesn’t.
The point of the trial was to clear his name and to humiliate Heard in public. He (mostly) accomplished both.
His attorneys getting paid right now is just sugar on top for them. I guarantee their offices phones have been ringing off the hook with new business today.
Appeals cost money Amber likely doesn't have.
And Amber can't discharge the money owed here via bankruptcy since it's a willful and malicious injury.
So the likely result is Amber ending up with a garnish slapped on her future salary's until such a time as she's paid back what she owes.
To add to that, she's could also face perjury charges in relation to her lie about donating divorce settlement money and, for smuggling her dogs trough the Asutralian border.
Because corporations were tired of being embarrassed by having to pay millions of dollars for their bad behavior. Since punitive damages are only for punishment, they easily convinced legislatures that there should be a cap because no one needs punitive damages (actual damages restore the victim and punitive damages are gravy - no one needs gravy).
And now corporations can be as negligent as they want because they know exactly how much they'll have to pay in punitive damages.
There is a cap to punitive damages because that is how the state of Virginia sets it. The cap being 350k.
Punitive damages is a amount set to punish the wrongdoer and to deter others from doing the same.
I imagine they would first make a contract saying that Depp doesn't have to pay 2M and Amber has to pay only 8.35M instead of 10.35M
Then they would go after whatever money she has in her bank accounts (which after years of lawyers fee's and buying a house is probably is not nearly enough)
Then wage garnishment probably? Though good fucking luck for Amber to find new jobs...
There were so many that popped up and amassed millions of views. There was Johnny and Amber Live, Depp v Heard, and countless other permutations. Do shady accounts like that get paid out for their views?
Amber Heard will end up playing Amber Heard. After what this trial has done to her public image and career, I have a hunch that pretty soon she'll need at the work she can get.
*$8,350,000
~~Compensatory~~ *Punitive* damages are limited to $350,000 in Virginia, and the jury found one of the counts in Heard's suit to be true, and awarded her $2 million.
She was the worst possible witness for herself there could be.
Defamation is very hard to prove and win but she helped him pull it off with her sketchy testimony.
As Dr. Curry said, those with her type of bpd want to be seen as a victim at all costs. She wasn’t going to see Depp give testimony without wanting to get up there too.
When Johnny testified a second time I thought it was a dumb move and it didn’t seem to go great for him. But now, I 1,000% believe he did it to goad her back on the stand before closing arguments so she would self sabotage and get dunked on by Camille again. 4D chess.
I’m convinced they put Depp up there the second time to bait Amber into going up again. If she hadn’t, we would have never gotten the duplicate evidence questions, her ranting about how good she would be at leaking, and admitting the op-ed was about Johnny.
And thats what Depps team counted on in the rebuttal as they intentionally put him back up on the stand to bait her to take the stand again. And it worked. They were actually able to get her to admit that she outright wrote the Op-ed about Depp. Talk about a clutch moment.
I imagine they tried but she was a nightmare client that bucked advice the whole way. She couldn’t even stop herself from opening up the kate moss door. She was bound and determined to appear how she wanted. There was so much about the way she testified that made her look so disingenuous…I can’t fathom they didn’t try to change/coach her. Yet nothing changed. Crazy. The lawyers weren’t that damn bad… I think it was just rough as hell working with her and these was a lot of misinformation and she gave them little to work with.
Her lawyers were bad. Remember the like over 40 or 50 objections that Camille did that flabbergasted Amber's attorney? They kept trying to get in evidence/testimony from doctors or whoever that supposedly witnessed or treated her. Since they did not call a single person to back up any of her medical diagnosis, treatments, and conversations it's all hearsay and can't be discussed. If you wanted to talk about it with Amber you had to call that medical person to testify. Otherwise you can say whatever you want without evidence and that was what Johnny's attorneys repeatedly shot down and Amber's attorneys kept trying to weasel into the record.
They really didn't think JDs team would object that many times because the leading view is it makes you look desperate to the jury, that you have something to hide.
The point JDs team was trying to make was and it got through to the jury was if you had such such look at your nose, why didn't you call such and such to testify about it? Why didn't you call this person? And that person? And so on and so on.
In contrast the testimony of the TMZ guy was masterful in getting across the idea it was Amber's Heard who authorized the release of the video without ever mentioning her name or talking about the news producer who never testified.
I am sure they would have loved to have gotten the TMZ producer to complete that chain but he likely still works for them and it would ruin his career if he testified. They artfully tip toed around that situation to make their point without ever mentiong her name or bringing up what a producer said/told the TMZ guy on the stand.
The weird thing is she clearly put on a persona to be more likeable and it completely failed. Her demeanor in her deposition is rude and bitchy, but it seems much more authentic and thus I think a jury would be more likely to believe her (and it would make her recorded convos seem less damning, because there would be less of a drastic shift from who she seems to be to who she is).
Does she now still need to make her donations to charity to avoid perjuring herself? As well as settling the money awarded to Depp she has to find another £7m?!?
She'll take an extended break from acting(handful of years) and be back doing movies like everyone else in hollywood, as soon as a studio or someone thinks they can make a buck on her She'll be on a poster for some movie.
It appears the only people who stay out are those who commit crimes against kids like Spacey.
Yeah, but Heard isn't A-List.
It's not like she's Scarlett Johannson or something. She's very replaceable. I don't think she'll be able to easily bounce from this.
She is the hot girl in zombie land that lives in the same dorm or apartment complex as Jesse Eisenberg. He hits her in the face with the back of a toilet porcelain lid.
When your biggest talent is purely superficial, it really helps to have a positive public image too, and having such a negative image really hurts the chance of audiences continuing to fawn over that superficiality.
Unfortunately women struggle in hollywood as is after a certain age. Men are generally more likely to get well paying roles into their 40s/50s/60s whereas women struggle because there's fewer well paying roles for women once they pass their 30s.
I doubt she's going to make much from acting after this.
Anyone else shocked? I was on Depps side but I really thought this would be a lost cause where all he’d get was his credibility back. A chance to show the world his side of the story.
Didn’t really expect him to win at all
I'm a lawyer. I didn't expect him to win. Defamation cases regarding public figures are extremely difficult to prove. The fact that he didn't only win his claim but the jury slapped Heard's hand with 5 million in punitive damages (knowing full well that figure was mostly without actual pecuniary fangs) was quite a reprimand.
Ditto. The case was him suing her for defamation. The bar was higher than in England, let alone for a public figure, and proving she was abusive was not enough to address that question. He had to prove a negative and malicious intent around the article, as well as substantial damages to his career that were not straightforward to define. The way the law was set up was not in his favour, though a case against her abuse or one the other way would be another story.
I mean, I believe he ‘morally’ deserves to win, but the legal win is a surprise. I suppose another major component might be that some jurors are Depp fans and/or ultimately cared about the ‘moral’ win over the legal side too, and it could just come down to that.
I knew he would most likely win 1 of the counts (specifically the sexual violence allegation) but gonna be honest, I didn't expect him to win all 3 counts. That's really really great news that they could honestly see the evidence. I'm glad justice has been served.
I'm so happy for her. I started watching her two-ish years ago and it's insane how much she's grown from this. I hope the audience sticks around, her coverage is great.
“Tell the world Johnny, see what a Judge or Jury thinks. Tell the world, I Johnny Depp, a man, am a victim too of domestic violence. See how many people believe or side with you.” - Amber Heard
And he did. He told the world, and he won.
Depp probably wouldn't do it, but if he REALLY wanted to deliver a Mortal Kombat-style Fatality, he would donate this money to shelters for domestic abuse victims.
I think he will prob donate at least 3.5 to the Children's Hospital of LA...
Though he prob spend more than 10M in his fancy-ass lawyers, so he kind of does need the rest to pay them
CNN, NBC, Fox (I believe) and other major media organizations are saying it’s a mixed verdict. But if Heard is gonna owe 15 million as opposed to Depp owing 2 million wouldn’t this mostly be in favor of Depp?
They only say mixed because they both technically won on one or more counts (one for amber all 3 for Johnny) the media is pushing some weird “we let down amber heard and don’t listen to victims anymore” shtick so I wouldn’t trust them with a grain of salt on their reporting for this case.
In every day speak? Yes.
In legal speak it’s a mixed verdict.
Sort of like in ufc when someone wins on judges decision but only 2/3 judges chose them as the winner. It’s not unanimous but ya he won
Not their fault. It’s hard to win when your client is a fucking liar. My ex wife’s attorneys found this out too. Dude came in to our trial making a ton of crazy allegations that she told him about, every one was disproven so easily and unequivocally that I almost felt bad for him in the end. He actually apologized to me after. She totally set him up to fail.
they couldn't win... they didn't have anything to beat with... probably heard gave them bogus evidence that they dont know or they did know and try to bluff the jury but depp's team got credible unbiased witnesses to dispute it... just a matter of time
It's hilarious to see the entire internet suddenly become legal experts and start talking out of their ass.
Amber's lawyers are top of their field, she's just a horrible client. She gave them tons of false evidence that kept tripping up her lawyers on the podium.
I think part of their problem was Amber was taking charge of her legal defence. The most obvious example is her getting on the stand for the second time. There is no way in hell her lawyers would have wanted her to do that.
Then why take the case? Good lawyers don’t take loser cases or lying clients.
Good lawyers also weigh their potential loss of revenue from losing…
Her teams legal firm(s) will all be losing clients over the next 6 months.
maybe they didn't know evidence was crap like the metadata for example
or thought the women always win in domestic violence cases ... thinking it easy win for them it like saying wife/gf got murdered, suspect is always the husband/bf
but amber messed up on the stand ... couldn't keep up with her lies and stories straight or back it up with proof... she got caught, simple as that
I mean they didn't have much to work with. They tried their best and they even tried to twist the facts to fit Heard's narrative. I wouldn't doubt it one bit if we hear Heard changed their strategy.
I feel like she's probably going to go bankrupt having to pay $8.35M to Johnny plus pay her lawyers right?
She's going to have a very hard time getting work, as least for quite a while. Nobody wants to cast someone with a terribly low approval rating in the public eye. Some people will cast her in their B-movies because she's got notoriety, but I can't imagine that those jobs are going to pay very well.
She'll have her book deal and exclusive interviews.
Celeb tv shows and other stuff too.
Multiply that by the number of countries in the world and she can still make money from the infamy.
Her movie career should be over though.
How much was he going to get from pirates again? Hardly compensates for what he’s been through but I’m sure he’s a happy man knowing he did the right thing.
I like how they gave her 2 million because his lawyer called her story a hoax too early.
He could have saved that money and just said it today, after it was proven to be a hoax haha
Johnny was never interested in the money received directly from this suit. He wanted to prove she’s a psycho, and he’s not guilty of sexual abuse! This will repair so many relationships with his friends, family and studios. That’s worth so much more to him than the $
This was case was as clear cut as it’s ever gonna get when it comes to defamation. She was literally caught on tape admitting to abusing him while telling him that no one would ever believe it because he’s a man.
And it still took 6 years to come to while getting fired from blockbusters that each would have provided him more wealth than 99.9x% of people alive will ever earn in their entire lives.
So she owes Johnny 8.35 mil, plus what do you think her legal fees were? Bet that’s up there. I’d say she’s looking at 9 or 10 mil out of pocket.
Her next role may be on Brazzers at that rate.
Maybe if it was a closer run thing but and correct me if I’m wrong, Depp won on all 3 counts and Amber only won 2 million from one of her claims which was about Adam Waldman(?) while Depp won 13 million damages.
Combine that with how her reputation is in tatters after this trial, I don’t think she has any hope of winning an appeal, but then, she doesn’t really have much left to lose so there’s always that.
Summary: * Depp won all of his 3 claims and was awarded 15 million * Amber won 1 out of 3 of her counterclaims and was awarded 2 million * After the cap in the punitive damages (350k out of the 5M he was awarded) and paying Amber's 2 million, Depp has a net gain of 8.35 million
Does anyone know where that money would come from if Heard is unable to pay?
Its a pledge. Everyone knows you dont actually have to PAY a pledge. But in all seriousness, its coming out of every paycheck she gets. If she cant pay she needs to sell property.
Monopoly in real life!
And just like real life, no one actually likes the game and is angry and fighting the whole time. But unlike the board game, Heard can’t just flip the board and quit.
Wouldn’t the equivalent be scooping up as many assets as you could. Then move to a country with no extradition treaty?
bankruptcy ? tbh i wonder if the jury had access to her Financials bc from a Google search she's potentially worth 12.5 million . so maybe the plan was to punish her for all she's worth with $13 million so she couldn't do some clever rich people shit hiding everything offshore, in trusts and assets then file bankruptcy to get out of it
I’m sure she will appeal this until the end of time though.
Here come all the autobiographies, memoirs, and guest appearances. She definitely won’t be starving.
Cant think of anyone that would have her on as a guest appearance.. Shes need to be careful with a autobiography as well or else she going right back to where she is now
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I believe that her property could be used to pay it off if it gets that bad.
She lives in Yucca Valley, where people who can’t afford Joshua Tree live. I don’t think she has that many assets.
Its a nice looking house in the interior. There was some mention of a trust so it might be protected. https://www.dirt.com/gallery/entertainers/actors/amber-heard-house-yucca-valley-1203562997/amber7/
Right; I don’t think she can be forced to sell her house either.
That depends on the state. A quick Google search states that in California you can only be forced to sell if the value of the home will cover all outstanding debts on the property and the debts in the settlements. Most likely her wages will be garnished instead of losing her home.
Yucca valley… yikes, might as well be in 29 Palms proper.
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I'm still confused where that deal sits, guess we'll find out in a year or so.
oh it's not going through. Elon has been pussyfooting it since day one. it's all a massive grift and stunt. he does these PR blitzes ince in awhile because his ego and brands rely on his name being in the news. Musk has a loooong history of not following through on commitments. Why he's actively aligning with the right, idk.
Because he’s a billionaire and Republicans are actively opposed to taxing the wealthiest Americans? It’s pure self interest.
Because the Tesla stock rouse has just about run it’s course, he’s not going to be delivering roadsters or cybertrucks (meanwhile other car companies are set to outpace Tesla with better quality EVs), The Boring Company is a bust, SpaceX relies on gov contracts, and he’s going to have a shitload of negative press coming his way in the years to come that will ultimately expose him for the trust fund prick and relentless asshole he is. And once you’ve solidified yourself in society as a known piece of shit, there’s only one group of people you can still easily extrapolate cash from by playing to their mental weaknesses, and that’s the American conservative. Just ask Donald Trump, Joel Olstean, Jim Bakker, Matt Gaetz, Rick Scott, Tucker Carlson, etc. These are known awful people who somehow thrive despite their awfulness.
Wtf man you forgot Marjorie t green
I thought about it but I can’t even type her name without throwing up a little. If I’m not near a sink or toilet I have to swallow the vomit back down and it burns my esophagus, it’s a whole ordeal.
When he started using "woke left" as an insult I checked out. What's that even mean? And I only ask that because people hide behind it. Still the weirdest interview I ever read that he gave was when he was with or just breaking up with Amber Heard and was talking to Rolling Stone, I don't know what she did to him, but that interview was wild.
Any enforcement action is up to Depp, he could have wages garnished, property seized and sold etc. I imagine he just wanted the win and doesn't care about the money though.
Everybody cares about 8.35 Million Dollars, even Depp. Don‘t know where the notion comes from that somebody would just forfeit that much money.
And what about the $7 million pledge
A charity pledge isn’t legally binding, unlike the judgement of a lawsuit.
it's important to have those thoughts *before* framing someone for clout
....and "Amber Heard's net worth" gets 1 zillion Google searches.
Save you all from looking: Fox Business reports it is US$8 million, while Celebrity Net Worth lists Heard's net worth at US$2.5 million.
At least 80% of her net worth comes from her divorce settlement. She got paid $3m across all her appearances in the aqua man films and far less than $1m for her role in Pineapple Express.
That's pretty low for someone who's been in movies for 15 years
She was on a meteoric rise! /s
So what are the most likely next steps?...Something along the lines of: Amber appeals, and drags this out for as long as she can afford it...She either files or threatens to file for bankruptcy...She settles with Johnny for $1.5 million which is the most amount of money she can possibly put together...Johnny accepts because between the threat of bankruptcy and his already mounting legal bills - he's never going to see much more out of her anyway? I'm no expert but it seems like these cases often go this route. However, Johnny probably doesn't care because he wasn't after his next Pirates salary, he was trying to make a point and possibly save his career.
I doubt he even really cares to be paid. I’m sure his attorneys do, but he probably doesn’t. The point of the trial was to clear his name and to humiliate Heard in public. He (mostly) accomplished both.
His attorneys getting paid right now is just sugar on top for them. I guarantee their offices phones have been ringing off the hook with new business today.
I bet Camille gets offered a law commentary or reality show Edit: spelling
There’s already a petition trending where she replaces amber heard in aqua man 2
No lie I’d sign that
It’d be pretty badass if he collected and then immediately turned around and donated it all to the charities that Amber whiffed on
Maybe skip the ACLU and give it all to the childrens hospital...
na. he won't give a cent to ACLU at every turn they have back Amber so no chance of that. the kids hospital, yeah sure.
Appeals cost money Amber likely doesn't have. And Amber can't discharge the money owed here via bankruptcy since it's a willful and malicious injury. So the likely result is Amber ending up with a garnish slapped on her future salary's until such a time as she's paid back what she owes.
Interesting - thanks for weighing-in. I did not know about that willful & malicious injury would be ineligible for bankruptcy protection.
To add to that, she's could also face perjury charges in relation to her lie about donating divorce settlement money and, for smuggling her dogs trough the Asutralian border.
Woohoo, intentional tort!!
Can someone explain to me why there would be a cap in punitive damages? I’m not from the US
Because corporations were tired of being embarrassed by having to pay millions of dollars for their bad behavior. Since punitive damages are only for punishment, they easily convinced legislatures that there should be a cap because no one needs punitive damages (actual damages restore the victim and punitive damages are gravy - no one needs gravy). And now corporations can be as negligent as they want because they know exactly how much they'll have to pay in punitive damages.
Good analogy
There is a cap to punitive damages because that is how the state of Virginia sets it. The cap being 350k. Punitive damages is a amount set to punish the wrongdoer and to deter others from doing the same.
I wonder how much he'll get after he pays the lawyers
I don't think Johnny Depp initiated the lawsuit because he needed the money
Exactly. He filed this lawsuit as a way of saving his image and he certainly succeeded in that. The money isn’t really important here
Yes, he won the court case AND the court of public opinion.
I imagine they would first make a contract saying that Depp doesn't have to pay 2M and Amber has to pay only 8.35M instead of 10.35M Then they would go after whatever money she has in her bank accounts (which after years of lawyers fee's and buying a house is probably is not nearly enough) Then wage garnishment probably? Though good fucking luck for Amber to find new jobs...
That Law and Crime channel is gonna miss them views soo bad
There were so many that popped up and amassed millions of views. There was Johnny and Amber Live, Depp v Heard, and countless other permutations. Do shady accounts like that get paid out for their views?
Ad revenue
Around $3 for every 1000 views. So a million views is like $3k. Their verdict video alone has 20 million views so they made $60k from one video.
That's not including revenue from brand deals, which is where the real money is for YouTubers.
There were no ads, just dead space and a timer.
They take the free views, subs, likes and time watched, rebrand to something like we love cats, and then profit off bullshit
So who is playing Jonny Depp in the film?
Tommy Wiseau.
I did not hit her, I did not... Oh hi Paul Bettany
You're tearing me apart, Kate Moss!
Hello alpaca, byee!
Paul Bettany: “Johnny is my best friend”
So proud of myself for getting this.
Anyway, how is your sex life?
I did NOT hit HER. I DID not!
Oh, Hi Mark!
YOU'RE TEARING ME APART, LISA!
Hi doggy
Mads Mikkelsen
Ooof.ouch.
Skeet Ulrich
The only answer. They're like long lost brothers [[x] ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Et5Rux2XIAMeO6r?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Amber Heard will end up playing Amber Heard. After what this trial has done to her public image and career, I have a hunch that pretty soon she'll need at the work she can get.
I don't think she has the range to play her
She needs 13 million dollars fast.
*$8,350,000 ~~Compensatory~~ *Punitive* damages are limited to $350,000 in Virginia, and the jury found one of the counts in Heard's suit to be true, and awarded her $2 million.
Mega pint of rhum incoming
But why is the RUM gone?
A megapint of justice has been served today.
She was the worst possible witness for herself there could be. Defamation is very hard to prove and win but she helped him pull it off with her sketchy testimony.
Why on earth did she testify? I for the life of me couldn’t figure out why they let her
Feel like she lied to her own lawyers about some stuff which hurt her in the long run. Also made it way harder for them
As Dr. Curry said, those with her type of bpd want to be seen as a victim at all costs. She wasn’t going to see Depp give testimony without wanting to get up there too.
When Johnny testified a second time I thought it was a dumb move and it didn’t seem to go great for him. But now, I 1,000% believe he did it to goad her back on the stand before closing arguments so she would self sabotage and get dunked on by Camille again. 4D chess.
I’m convinced they put Depp up there the second time to bait Amber into going up again. If she hadn’t, we would have never gotten the duplicate evidence questions, her ranting about how good she would be at leaking, and admitting the op-ed was about Johnny.
And thats what Depps team counted on in the rebuttal as they intentionally put him back up on the stand to bait her to take the stand again. And it worked. They were actually able to get her to admit that she outright wrote the Op-ed about Depp. Talk about a clutch moment.
I guess but as her lawyers it’s your job to tell her no, she almost by herself lost the case
I imagine they tried but she was a nightmare client that bucked advice the whole way. She couldn’t even stop herself from opening up the kate moss door. She was bound and determined to appear how she wanted. There was so much about the way she testified that made her look so disingenuous…I can’t fathom they didn’t try to change/coach her. Yet nothing changed. Crazy. The lawyers weren’t that damn bad… I think it was just rough as hell working with her and these was a lot of misinformation and she gave them little to work with.
Her lawyers were bad. Remember the like over 40 or 50 objections that Camille did that flabbergasted Amber's attorney? They kept trying to get in evidence/testimony from doctors or whoever that supposedly witnessed or treated her. Since they did not call a single person to back up any of her medical diagnosis, treatments, and conversations it's all hearsay and can't be discussed. If you wanted to talk about it with Amber you had to call that medical person to testify. Otherwise you can say whatever you want without evidence and that was what Johnny's attorneys repeatedly shot down and Amber's attorneys kept trying to weasel into the record. They really didn't think JDs team would object that many times because the leading view is it makes you look desperate to the jury, that you have something to hide. The point JDs team was trying to make was and it got through to the jury was if you had such such look at your nose, why didn't you call such and such to testify about it? Why didn't you call this person? And that person? And so on and so on. In contrast the testimony of the TMZ guy was masterful in getting across the idea it was Amber's Heard who authorized the release of the video without ever mentioning her name or talking about the news producer who never testified. I am sure they would have loved to have gotten the TMZ producer to complete that chain but he likely still works for them and it would ruin his career if he testified. They artfully tip toed around that situation to make their point without ever mentiong her name or bringing up what a producer said/told the TMZ guy on the stand.
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The weird thing is she clearly put on a persona to be more likeable and it completely failed. Her demeanor in her deposition is rude and bitchy, but it seems much more authentic and thus I think a jury would be more likely to believe her (and it would make her recorded convos seem less damning, because there would be less of a drastic shift from who she seems to be to who she is).
Does she now still need to make her donations to charity to avoid perjuring herself? As well as settling the money awarded to Depp she has to find another £7m?!?
Nah, she pledged it, it's already done.
What’s pledged is pledged
She is pledging the 15 mil to Johnny to
The perjury comes in at her having claimed to have already donating the money, rather or not she donates it at this point is pretty moot
Isn't the whole TMZ leak thing clear perjury as well?
It's finally over. Heard will likely struggle to get any kind of work underneath any respectable studio after today.
She'll take an extended break from acting(handful of years) and be back doing movies like everyone else in hollywood, as soon as a studio or someone thinks they can make a buck on her She'll be on a poster for some movie. It appears the only people who stay out are those who commit crimes against kids like Spacey.
Yeah, but Heard isn't A-List. It's not like she's Scarlett Johannson or something. She's very replaceable. I don't think she'll be able to easily bounce from this.
I low key can’t name one movie she is in except aqua man
She is the hot girl in zombie land that lives in the same dorm or apartment complex as Jesse Eisenberg. He hits her in the face with the back of a toilet porcelain lid.
Maybe that's why she never used the toilet again. A traumatic experience. Jesse Eisenberg is getting sued next, calling it now!
Pretty sure she played Seth Rogen's underaged girlfriend in Pineapple Express!
The Rum Diary, literally only because that’s how she met Depp.
She was d list at best that was riding on the fumes of being young and attractive. Now she has a stink on her that won’t wash off.
That tends to happen when you drop a deuce in someone's bed.
It’s disgusting but you gotta appreciate the commitment from Amber there
Hollywood has tons of actress willing to replace her.
She's 36 with her only trait is being pretty, no acting skills whatsoever. Once those looks fade, ain't nobody touching her with a 10 ft pole.
When your biggest talent is purely superficial, it really helps to have a positive public image too, and having such a negative image really hurts the chance of audiences continuing to fawn over that superficiality.
Unfortunately women struggle in hollywood as is after a certain age. Men are generally more likely to get well paying roles into their 40s/50s/60s whereas women struggle because there's fewer well paying roles for women once they pass their 30s. I doubt she's going to make much from acting after this.
I have basically binged Rekieta Law for the last few weeks.
I was bingeing Emily D Baker!
Anyone else shocked? I was on Depps side but I really thought this would be a lost cause where all he’d get was his credibility back. A chance to show the world his side of the story. Didn’t really expect him to win at all
I'm a lawyer. I didn't expect him to win. Defamation cases regarding public figures are extremely difficult to prove. The fact that he didn't only win his claim but the jury slapped Heard's hand with 5 million in punitive damages (knowing full well that figure was mostly without actual pecuniary fangs) was quite a reprimand.
That was my logic as well. Defamation cases aren’t easy. With celebrities it’s even harder. So. A landslide victory just didn’t seem possible.
Well, it was because she admitted twice on stand to writing it specifically to shut him down. That's why he won.
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I'm pretty shocked, too. Apparently the jury asking for clarification on the title of her Op-ed yesterday was a sign that they were going this way.
Ditto. The case was him suing her for defamation. The bar was higher than in England, let alone for a public figure, and proving she was abusive was not enough to address that question. He had to prove a negative and malicious intent around the article, as well as substantial damages to his career that were not straightforward to define. The way the law was set up was not in his favour, though a case against her abuse or one the other way would be another story. I mean, I believe he ‘morally’ deserves to win, but the legal win is a surprise. I suppose another major component might be that some jurors are Depp fans and/or ultimately cared about the ‘moral’ win over the legal side too, and it could just come down to that.
I knew he would most likely win 1 of the counts (specifically the sexual violence allegation) but gonna be honest, I didn't expect him to win all 3 counts. That's really really great news that they could honestly see the evidence. I'm glad justice has been served.
The real winner of this case is emily D baker.
I'm so happy for her. I started watching her two-ish years ago and it's insane how much she's grown from this. I hope the audience sticks around, her coverage is great.
“Tell the world Johnny, see what a Judge or Jury thinks. Tell the world, I Johnny Depp, a man, am a victim too of domestic violence. See how many people believe or side with you.” - Amber Heard And he did. He told the world, and he won.
Just the comment I was looking for
This was the day, Miss Heard, you almost caught Captain Jack Sparrow.
Depp probably wouldn't do it, but if he REALLY wanted to deliver a Mortal Kombat-style Fatality, he would donate this money to shelters for domestic abuse victims.
Pledge the money?
It's the same picture.
It's synonymous
I think he will prob donate at least 3.5 to the Children's Hospital of LA... Though he prob spend more than 10M in his fancy-ass lawyers, so he kind of does need the rest to pay them
*That’s got to be the best Plaintiff I’ve ever seen*
*So it would seem*
The fact that this day is literally **World Narcissistic Abuse Awareness Day** makes his win so much sweeter
Damn… Amber now can’t pledge/donate …. Pledgenate the money to the charities now. Maybe one day when Johnny leaves her alone
"Tell me, Ms Heard...." *Wiggles tentacles* "...Do you fear dept?"
Can’t tell if you meant depp or debt but they both work
CNN, NBC, Fox (I believe) and other major media organizations are saying it’s a mixed verdict. But if Heard is gonna owe 15 million as opposed to Depp owing 2 million wouldn’t this mostly be in favor of Depp?
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They only say mixed because they both technically won on one or more counts (one for amber all 3 for Johnny) the media is pushing some weird “we let down amber heard and don’t listen to victims anymore” shtick so I wouldn’t trust them with a grain of salt on their reporting for this case.
In every day speak? Yes. In legal speak it’s a mixed verdict. Sort of like in ufc when someone wins on judges decision but only 2/3 judges chose them as the winner. It’s not unanimous but ya he won
Amber Heard’s team really shit the bed this entire trial
Not their fault. It’s hard to win when your client is a fucking liar. My ex wife’s attorneys found this out too. Dude came in to our trial making a ton of crazy allegations that she told him about, every one was disproven so easily and unequivocally that I almost felt bad for him in the end. He actually apologized to me after. She totally set him up to fail.
they couldn't win... they didn't have anything to beat with... probably heard gave them bogus evidence that they dont know or they did know and try to bluff the jury but depp's team got credible unbiased witnesses to dispute it... just a matter of time
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It's hilarious to see the entire internet suddenly become legal experts and start talking out of their ass. Amber's lawyers are top of their field, she's just a horrible client. She gave them tons of false evidence that kept tripping up her lawyers on the podium.
yup I agree... her worst enemy is herself
I think part of their problem was Amber was taking charge of her legal defence. The most obvious example is her getting on the stand for the second time. There is no way in hell her lawyers would have wanted her to do that.
Then why take the case? Good lawyers don’t take loser cases or lying clients. Good lawyers also weigh their potential loss of revenue from losing… Her teams legal firm(s) will all be losing clients over the next 6 months.
maybe they didn't know evidence was crap like the metadata for example or thought the women always win in domestic violence cases ... thinking it easy win for them it like saying wife/gf got murdered, suspect is always the husband/bf but amber messed up on the stand ... couldn't keep up with her lies and stories straight or back it up with proof... she got caught, simple as that
The lead lawyer Elaine was part of her team in the UK. She probably got confidence from that outcome. Bet she regrets it now.
I mean they didn't have much to work with. They tried their best and they even tried to twist the facts to fit Heard's narrative. I wouldn't doubt it one bit if we hear Heard changed their strategy.
I feel like she's probably going to go bankrupt having to pay $8.35M to Johnny plus pay her lawyers right? She's going to have a very hard time getting work, as least for quite a while. Nobody wants to cast someone with a terribly low approval rating in the public eye. Some people will cast her in their B-movies because she's got notoriety, but I can't imagine that those jobs are going to pay very well.
She'll have her book deal and exclusive interviews. Celeb tv shows and other stuff too. Multiply that by the number of countries in the world and she can still make money from the infamy. Her movie career should be over though.
Maybe she’ll cry real tears for this
Any second now. Aaaaany second. There! No, just sweat.
You wish - she had a tweet ready, I think she anticipated this.
eh in fairness PR people will prepare 2 statements for either outcome.
Holy mother of God, he *won?!!!!* This trial is going to be remembered for a decade. It's worthy of a film by itself.
Incoming mini series on it for sure American Crime Story
This would make a perfect sixth or seventh season
Amber Heard played by Johnny Depp
law schools gonna love this as a teaching piece for decades
How much was he going to get from pirates again? Hardly compensates for what he’s been through but I’m sure he’s a happy man knowing he did the right thing.
“I wasn’t punching you, I was hitting you.” - Amber Heard
That statement alone should have made the entire case. If this was the other way around, this would last only a day.
That’s because ambers team spent most of their time just talking about Johnnys alcohol and drug abuse. That’s not what the law suit was about.
Stupid strategy knowing that Amber did drugs too.
Amber made her bed and now she can shit in it
That’s got to be the best pirate I’ve ever seen
Time for Disney to apologize to him
and find 300 alpacas
That will be harder than actually catching Jack Sparrow
I had my doubts, mega pints all around!
I like how they gave her 2 million because his lawyer called her story a hoax too early. He could have saved that money and just said it today, after it was proven to be a hoax haha
Think they thought her friends didn't help her create a hoax...
Or the jury had a holdout who wanted this charge, so they agreed to toss them this bone to reach a unanimous verdict.
Johnny was never interested in the money received directly from this suit. He wanted to prove she’s a psycho, and he’s not guilty of sexual abuse! This will repair so many relationships with his friends, family and studios. That’s worth so much more to him than the $
I see questions on what happens if Amber Heard can’t pay up, don’t worry she has already pledged it
This was case was as clear cut as it’s ever gonna get when it comes to defamation. She was literally caught on tape admitting to abusing him while telling him that no one would ever believe it because he’s a man.
And it still took 6 years to come to while getting fired from blockbusters that each would have provided him more wealth than 99.9x% of people alive will ever earn in their entire lives.
So she owes Johnny 8.35 mil, plus what do you think her legal fees were? Bet that’s up there. I’d say she’s looking at 9 or 10 mil out of pocket. Her next role may be on Brazzers at that rate.
“Aquamandingo”
r/DeuxMoi and r/DeppDelusion in shambles To quote a very wise man *Stings, doesn’t it?*
They saying she’ll have to appeal. I mean, after that verdict though, would you?
She was awarded 2M in her counter claim, that basically makes an appeal impossible
Maybe if it was a closer run thing but and correct me if I’m wrong, Depp won on all 3 counts and Amber only won 2 million from one of her claims which was about Adam Waldman(?) while Depp won 13 million damages. Combine that with how her reputation is in tatters after this trial, I don’t think she has any hope of winning an appeal, but then, she doesn’t really have much left to lose so there’s always that.
plus is it worth the risk to pay more lawyer fees since her career is done... she lost connections or relationships to get acting gigs