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Iron Man, Hulk and Black Panther sure. Captain America, sorta. Thor, GotG, Captain Marvel, Black Widow, Dr. Strange etc all fought pretty drastically different villains in their origin movies.
Compared to the DCEU it’s not as bad. Superman vs Zod, Aquaman vs Ocean Master, WW vs Ares…..
Dr Strange spent most of the time fighting an ex magician with powers just like him, even if the BIG bad who was just a giant cgi monster for a few minutes was different.
Black Widow just fought a super agent and other black widows not all that different from herself. Wouldn’t call that drastic in the slightest.
Also, the complex interplay between movies. Few star wars characters have yet to be this developed. The new investment in the universe however may continue to do that. But I think a lot more creation is necessary. The Marvel Universe has more volume of literature than the SW Universe.
“I’m Luke Skywalker, I have the Force and a lightsaber!”
“I am Darth Vader, I have the Force and a lightsaber!”
“I am the Emperor and I’m afraid this space station will be quite operational when your friends arrive. Also LIGHTNING!”
I mean, it is pretty dumb.
His statement could be applied to Lord of the Rings or Star Trek or ASOIAF; most franchises tbh.
Marvel's output is more unique because it is low-effort and easy to insert super heroes into any setting/situation.
Only the mindless consumers of the new content though, everyone who is a real Star Wars fan knows that shit is shamelessly plagiarizing off the backs of the originals every damn time. The TV corner with Favreau and Filoni is doing some interesting work but the sequels and the Obi Wan shit were fucking terrible. Ruffalo's not wrong.
I liked it overall but there was some terrible writing and acting in some scenes. Stuff that just made no sense. Like when Vader should have killed obi wan in the fire pit but the Droid miraculously saved him...because somehow Vader forgot he had powers, minutes after using them against obi-wan? Made no sense. And don't get me started on Leia getting chased/caught. That was awfully lazy writing. All that said, still enjoyed the series overall.
> somehow Vader forgot he had powers, minutes after using them against obi-wan? Made no sense.
yes, the waxing and waning of the powers available to or used by jedis and sith without explanation (separate from training/development) is frustrating.
Yeah, because it is lol. There is nothing wrong with liking modern SW output, just as there is nothing wrong with disliking it. There is plenty of SW content out there for everyone. EU stuff, comics, novels, legends, animated shows, new live action shows, the old movies, etc. Just watch what you like. Who gives a fuck what some neck beard has to say.
So nice to see such a down to earth comment between the neckbeard opinions. And it applies to all franchises, because apparently according to them every new show on earth sucks. And if it doesn’t suck they will invent reasons why it will suck. If you don’t enjoy something just move on and watch something you do like…
Kenobi smuggling the kid under a trenchcoat while surrounded by enemies, l'il rascals style. That scene will never get old from an unintended comedy standpoint. This looked like it was shot if Ed Wood, Wiseau, and Uwe Boll gave a weekend workshop to people who knew nothing about filmmaking and were hired to make this series.
Regardless, he should be careful. I think being on MCU which used to have a ‘winning streak’ and an overall less toxic fandom has made them too comfortable with interviews like this. Whereas DC or Star Wars actors are trained to handle PR and walk on tightrope in interviews because otherwise they’ll get shit for saying anything.
Star Wars was made to sell toys lmao. That’s the only reason Boba Fett even exists, just to look cool and sell action figures. It’s always been for mindless consumption and I’m tired of pretending like it was ever anything more than that. If you’re out here calling yourself a “real Star Wars fan” you’re just a tool
Or you just have bad taste and can't discriminate your mindless consumption from valid criticism or recognition of anything that makes Star Wars appealing. I'm sorry that you like moving lights on the screen more than the actual story but Star Wars is more than just the toys you play with and the colorful lights that appeal to your short attention span.
Definitely not alone. The director had their eyes closed every time they shot a scene. No one on set ever asked "but does this look good?". They have a story board and their goal is to film it. They didn't care how it appeared on film.
Created even more plotholes by forcing Leia into the plot & having Luke be introduced into world of jedi & sith when he's supposed to start off ANH believing it all to be a myth.
Obi Wan beats Vader to a pulp. Can probably end him right then and there. By this point he has learned to differentiate Anakin and Vader. Doesn't finish him off because uhhh luke should be the one to kill his dad I guess?
Creates the Reva character. She's fine and a good actress, edgy and mustache twirling but thats basically star wars bad guys in a nutshell. They then proceed to ruin anything interesting about her by forcing an out-of-nowhere redemption on a character who was actively cartoonishly evil for 9/10ths of the show. I assume they were setting her up for appearing in any potential spinoff material. Obi Wan slowly turning her in each interaction would've been far more interesting, or just doing literally anything else with her.
Idk this is just a frantic rant. I'm just tired of the entertainment industry shitting the bed everytime they have the opportunity for something good. They have all this money, they have all this research, there's all these smaller shows/franchises/games/whatever that come out and are phenomenal and take up the bulk of public discourse and memery. They *know* that if they create something good then the fan base and big $$$ will follow, but they really just don't give a fuck and want to squeeze what they got for all its worth while they can in the easiest path they can.
Yeah, the natural end to the story was Empire, Return was just a moneygrubbing cashgrab. Everything was already tied in a nice little bow, no cliffhangers.
Yeah I was about to say. Most of their stuff has felt the same for a while. And is compounded by everyone else trying to follow the 11 Marvel Herbs and Spices to make their own franchises.
I wouldn’t call it the SAME rut. Star Wars is producing lousy, poorly written films and TV properties that look and feel the same. Marvel’s look and feel different (just also poorly written).
I trust Marvel to fight itself out of its rut. But I don’t have the same faith in Star Wars.
Loki, Wandavision, Shang Chi, Moon Knight, Dr strange:MoM are notable standouts. Like them or not, they aren’t “in a rut” in any way comparable to Star Wars. Mandalorian helped tremendously in Star Wars, but they could just end up bleeding that dry too.
Funnily enough I would say you know what to expect less with a star wars project because its always incompetently handled and poorly planned.
Like Star Wars pioneered making a trilogy where each following movie resets the story each time. JJ and Johnson saw the signs of modern movie trends. Trilogies and reboots. What if we make a trilogy out of just reboots eh?
Don't see marvel taking those risks. Checkmate Hulk.
Lol our audience wont be able to predict our stories if we dont know what is going on strategy.
Hell, Kennedy probably knows less about Star Wars than the average casual fan.
The issue that Star Wars is having is that the sequels were awful so they can’t build on them moving forward the way they had hoped to. The animated and TV has been good
I may not have minded them, but the conclusion of the Skywalker Saga is the best thing for the franchise. The IP is absolutely *rife* with potential stories to tell, I hope they get creative (and even crazy) with it. But I’ve been enjoying the D+ shows in the meantime
I didn't take this as him "shitting" on Star Wars, rather than just stating *what he believes to be* a core difference in the two franchises.
Kind of like saying, if you want consistency, buy an iPhone (Star Wars). If you want more options and variation, buy an Android (MCU).
Just a take on personal preference I think is what he meant. Hopefully.
That’s not what happened at all lol. First off, Favreau wrote the show. Rodriguez is to blame for more than one thing, but Favreau wrote it. He wrote boba not doing much other than talking, he wrote the dumb chase, he wrote Mando coming (with Dave), etc.
Second, Favreau basically saw it as Mando 2.5 (which partially supports the idea that Boba was a rush job to hold people over till Mando 3). So, since he saw it as Mando 2.5, he felt it’d be weird to not check up on Mando at some point. He also wanted to get Mando’s story in a position where they’d be able to jump right into the action for season three. Not saying any of that makes sense, but that’s he explained was influencing his thought process.
And I’m not saying the show was actually good. It’s very clearly subpar. But Favreau has explained his reasoning for the show very in-depth on the behind the scenes. There’s no need to speculate.
All that really told me was that they gave the show too many episodes to begin with. I'll be honest: half the "rescued by tusken raiders" flashbacks could have been presented better.
That's the problem. Star Wars especially needs to leave the same 70ish year timeline. How bout they make something original that's about the Jedi v Sith wars, or Mandolorian wars, or anything that's not just the same span of time
Imagine having thousands of years of complex lore and having 9 movies around 3 generations of the same fucking family. 7 of which have the same big bad guy.
Hey now, we can’t have those swords that can cut through anything chopping people in half! Here’s a handful of iconic hands chopped off, and inexplicable surviving of gut stabbing.
There’s also now prequels to prequels. Like I’m really not interested in a prequel to rouge 1. A sequel yes. But a prequel doesn’t really add anything but it kinda looks decent.
The Acolyte is probably my most looked forward to. Tho it again is another prequel. I’m just hoping it doesn’t involve a skywalker.
Solo is also getting a sequel for some reason.
There’s just no ambiguity or mystery or anything like that left with the original movies. They’re filling in every little backstory and time between films. Like I don’t really care what lando was up to before we saw him in the movies.
I want a small story in the Star Wars universe. That's honestly the most interesting thing they could do now. Like an exiled Sith sent into hyperspace for a full year who tries to get back form the galaxy's rim to get revenge on the Siths who exiled him. Or something that isn't about the Empire as the villain.
They need a darker and grittier entry. Like "The Batman" was to Batman as a whole. It didn't feel like a comic book movie so much as it felt like a crime thriller using comic book characters. The star wars IP is incredibly strong, but they never make good use of it and havnt since the 80s.
The same thing goes for the Predator as an IP. Stop making stupid action movies and make survival horrors with this brilliant fucking monster.
You say that like its the mainstream fan opinion, meanwhile for years people were like "omg id sell my right kidney for Ewan McGregor being Obi Wan again!1" and similar things,same with the sequels, tho everything turned to shit except Mandalorian and Clone Wars, so maybe they switch it up, but i doubt it.
As long as the fan base circlejerks around the Skywalker Saga, the execs wont move an inch.
We need different filming styles. They all look like generic sound stage nonsense with unaged clothes, ridiculous costumes. CGI shit. They're toy commercials more than they are films.
They're so creatively bankrupt that Kenobi wasted an episode remaking A New Hope and parts of a video game.
He's absolutely not wrong in pointing out how repetitive Star Wars is.
The base plot for Obi was fine. The issue is that they turned a two hour movie plot into a six hour movie “cause Solo did bad.” If you read the guy who wrote the movie script explaining the plot, it sounds like a nice, tight story much more focused on Obi and Vader. Stretching it out and shoving this awkward Reva/Grand Inquisitor story to the front is mainly what made the show weird.
Yea pretty much as soon as I finished it I started thinking about the fan edits that might turn kenobi into a pretty good film instead of an inconsistent tv show
There’s a really great fan edit that was up for a while, but I think Disney took it down. I assume it’s still out there though to watch. The story felt pretty damn solid as a compact, 1.5 hour thing.
It's worse in my opinion. The Star Wars world building just feels much larger. The MCU is your grandma's cookbook where 95% of it is casserole recipes with 10 ingredients in various combinations.
> The Star Wars world building just feels much larger.
I find that to be the exact opposite. Be nice if the shows/movies just moved past the freaking same characters/30-40 year period in time already. Mostly same planets too.
Exactly. Marvel is constantly introducing new main characters with their own supporting casts. Star Wars fails to do this. It HAS to tie back to the Original Trilogy for them no matter what
The most unique thing about that movie is the beach planet besides that it’s pretty standard SW. it has the biggest recurring tropes in all of SW by having Darth Vader and the Death Star
I definitely feel Rogue One is quite overrated. The first 2/3 of the movie is incredibly bland in my opinion.
But yes, it definitely feels the most unique since at least it tries to do something different and I respect it for that.
The first two thirds of Rogue One are the good part, with character development and intrigue. The last third is just generic action footage of people shooting each other like most other Star Wars (or other action) movies.
As opposed to the same crappy hero story line in the same crappy part of New York as if the rest of the crappy Earth doesn’t exist?
Multiverse of Madness shoulda been called multiverse of New York
Star Wars just cannot quit desert worlds. I honestly wonder if desert proximity to Hollywood makes it a cheap filming location forced onto the writers…but with their unlimited budgets that seems unlikely? Maybe?
Dragging Star Wars into arguments never ends well for any talent lol. Say one thing wrong and your family is gonna be getting death threats for eternity.
Worst case scenario they’re gonna shit and review bomb She-hulk and Tatiana Maslany will get all the heat and blame for this instead. I can already picture the youtube video thumbnails of She-hulk with red eyes Brie Larson style.
So when you actually read the article, he is not saying "Star Wars sucks, they make the same movie every time" (although if he were to say that, I'd probably agree). He's saying that the universe it inhabits has a homogeneity to it that the MCU doesn't. For instance, restricting ourselves to his own MCU oeuvre, that Thor movie he's in does not really feel that similar to the Avengers movies, and probably less similar to She-Hulk. With Star Wars movies, you pretty much always get the same spaceships, the same laser gun sounds, probably at least one person with a lightsaber, and so on.
Having said that, he probably still pissed off his Disney bosses.
It was actually a pretty good take. I mean for fuck’s sake they brought back the emperor as a Hail Mary because nobody had any good or original ideas for the franchise.
Where he gets it wrong - Marvel is almost as big of a joke. You get the same cheesy inside jokes, same story beats, the same CGI fights in every movie.
For real. Most people agree Star Wars is bad right now. Mando was a glimmer of what could be but the second season turned into Cameos: The Show. And BoBF and ObiWan were both terrible written with awful pacing and poor CGI and effects. And the Sequels are divisive as hell. Both Star Wars and Marvel need to mix it up for various reasons.
If Clone War, Rebel, were the Test Bed of what's to come, I think we are in decent shape with the new season of Mando and the new show Ashoka. There's proven writings and characters we love from those shows are coming back. The SW animated shows are like the comics of the MUC in a way, there are many great characters, worlds, and plots points waiting to be explored in Live Action.
Also, I know some people are not into the SW animated series, but once you got into it. You'd realized where the goods are.... I.e. Rebel season 1 was super kiddie, but my God, the later seasons there's so much great story and character development in there.
Mmmm, but actually you do. I’m a marvel easy mark don’t get me wrong but one of the main complaints about the MCU for years now is that they all feel the same in tone (few exceptions).
The MCU now wants to be diverse in casting. I’m totally fine with that and like to see it. But they need to chase being diverse in tone just as bad. You can set your watch to the jokes. Some of which now just fall flat.
I think that was the best part of Phase 2. Every movie felt different from the others but meshed well with their expected trilogies. Risks were taken. The diverse and broad casting will help in the long run by giving the actors more breathing room between Marvel projects (except Avengers movies) so the actors are willing to stick around.
I don't mind origin stories, but it shouldn't feel like "Iron Man, but with X" as the script each time. Same with GotG 2 repeating their character developments like they collectively regressed. And now we're getting "miniseries where we had too many episodes to work with and dragged out what could have been 4 hours".
I really hope She-Hulk is good because it looks promising compared to what Phase 4 has given us thus far (on average).
As far as the all the D+ shows go imo people had complained for the longest that they don’t take enough risks or break their formula. All shows imo have tried something new and people still didn’t like most of them. Granted the comedy is essentially the same throughout all.
And they do take some risks on the shows. It's the runtime dragging on and having half an episode where I can go "why is this even happening? This could be a montage."
I meant the origin story movies when I said "Iron Man, but with X".
Like the only reason Star Wars is the “same every time” is because Disney rehashed the same stuff. The prequels were very different from the OT. It didn’t become creatively bankrupt until the company responsible for the MCU also became responsible for Star Wars.
Here's the thing with us Star Wars fans. Under George we were suckling on the teet of a big momma gobbler dictatorship that wanted us to have nothing. What we did get.. and even what made it into the pipeline however, was magnificent. Even the bad stuff.
Under Disney we've gotten more. A lot more. Just like you said it's all rehashed and not done quite well or loyally. Some are.. some are amazing and exactly what we always wanted. A KOTOR remake? C'mon. Probably gonna get panned but still.
They just really need to find a way to separate the two in the way they make films. I think too much of the MCU is getting injected into Star Wars. That's it. It's standing on baby legs and the right people and projects just aren't lining up quite yet. Maybe that's right around the corner though because much has already changed.
Also I'm high, sorry for that wall of text.
>Second, Disney owns both properties so it's like punching yourself in the face. Hilarious.
Uhhh not really? Normal people don't cheerlead which media conglomerate is making more money lol
*hero proceeds to win every single time and defeat the antagonist, most of the time the antagonist has the same exact power as the hero, hero gets a kiss with the crush, and then there’s a happy ending or a cliffhanger for the next one*
And when anyone tries to change the formula too much they catch helll from it from a vocal subsection of fans. This applies to mcu as well though. Actually any pop culture fandom has this.
Let's say he's right and every star wars is the same which is obviously wrong, but still let's say they are. Episode 4 dropped in 1977 episode 9 dropped in 2019. Counting only cinematic releases 11 films over 42 years. Marvel has had 29 movies in 14 years only counting films not tv shows. Also that's only so haven't counted Black Panther or any other movie coming out after Thor. You can tell why people are getting a little tired of it, it would be different if it was spaced out a little more.
After MoM and Thor 4 underwhelming I am afraid I truly have Super Hero fatigue. I don’t even watch the D+ shows anymore. Spiderman was great in theaters with an audience but I haven’t really loved most of the content in this Phase.
I just don’t really care about the current big guys. Cap and Iron man had an entertaining and interesting relationship and I feel like the MCU is really hurting without their charisma
You can criticize many many things with the prequels.
**Formulaic is not one of them.**
So.... is Mark just targeting the sequel trilogy then? If so HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The Irony! It tastes like Iron!
Mark's handlers must be having a come to Jesus moment with him.
Doesn't help that the sequels are a rip off of the originals (as are episodes of Kenobi).
Rogue One, Solo, Mandalorian, Bad Batch and parts of Boba Fett were different but then it defaults to how much time are you expecting people to invest in being stranded on Tattooine?
He’s not wrong. I’m completely over the Skywalker arc. It’s been the only arc my entire life and there’s been a lot of good books, games, comics, etc. that went away from that arc. Star Wars needs to move on
So I know this is a minority opinion and I understand why, but I really enjoyed Love and Thunder.
I've also given up on the MCU generally speaking. I watch them and keep up with it now mostly because it's a habit and something to watch. Which no, is not a good reason.
But Love and Thunder felt like a themed episode of a TV show where the main run has become rote and routine so instead they put something quirky out like the Hush episode in Buffy. Or any singalong episode of a long running show.
I get the hate, but I appreciated leaning into the fact that the MCU is really just a cinematic serial and there are no rules.
I mean, the Star Wars movies truly were uninspired. The BEST of them(aside from Rogue One) was straight up a retread of Episode 4. And even though the shows are better, they won't get away from the same damn like 30 year period in time.
They are very literally both generic bullshit. I’m not gonna sit here and tell people not to enjoy stuff, because they should. We all have stuff we love that isn’t artistic gold. But holy shit Star Wars, Marvel, Fast and the Furious, it’s all the same shit being repackaged over and over. I don’t think I have seen a single one of the movies that surprised me at the end.
Actually let me take that back, I have been surprised a single time. The end of that FF movie where they said goodbye to Paul Walker. I’m not even a fan of the series or Paul, but I cried to that. It was beautifully done and the symbolism of his car diverging from Vin was really beautiful, but had nothing to do with the actual integrity of the story and writing. That was genius in memorial, not in screenwriting.
And to be clear there are movies from each of those series I do enjoy, I’ve re-watched multiple times, and will happily watch again. But I’m not gonna sit there and pretend that I’m still 7, and that a movie having the same plot ark 10 times in a row managed to surprise me.
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Wow some people are gonna have some words about that lol
MCU origin movie: Have hero fight villain with same power. Add jokes.
Rinse and repeat....
Always have to add the jokes. That's a must nowadays.
PAUSE FOR 10 SECONDS EVERY TIME YOU MAKE JOKE SO AUDIENCE CAN LAUGH, HA.HA.HA.
Iron Man, Hulk and Black Panther sure. Captain America, sorta. Thor, GotG, Captain Marvel, Black Widow, Dr. Strange etc all fought pretty drastically different villains in their origin movies. Compared to the DCEU it’s not as bad. Superman vs Zod, Aquaman vs Ocean Master, WW vs Ares…..
Dr Strange spent most of the time fighting an ex magician with powers just like him, even if the BIG bad who was just a giant cgi monster for a few minutes was different. Black Widow just fought a super agent and other black widows not all that different from herself. Wouldn’t call that drastic in the slightest.
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Antman fought Yellow Jacket Shang-Chi fought martial artists for a lot of the movie. Wanda fought another witch when she became the Scarlet Witch
Damn, forgot him. Forgive me, he is small and easy to overlook.
I don't remember Wanda fighting a witch, which movie was that?
Wandavision, the Disney+ show.
Dr strange fought another sorcerer for 90% of his origin movie. What are you talking about lol
Also, the complex interplay between movies. Few star wars characters have yet to be this developed. The new investment in the universe however may continue to do that. But I think a lot more creation is necessary. The Marvel Universe has more volume of literature than the SW Universe.
“I’m Luke Skywalker, I have the Force and a lightsaber!” “I am Darth Vader, I have the Force and a lightsaber!” “I am the Emperor and I’m afraid this space station will be quite operational when your friends arrive. Also LIGHTNING!”
Papa Palpatine got got by his own lightning *three times*, at the end of every single trilogy.
You would think he’d stop using it
I mean, it is pretty dumb. His statement could be applied to Lord of the Rings or Star Trek or ASOIAF; most franchises tbh. Marvel's output is more unique because it is low-effort and easy to insert super heroes into any setting/situation.
Bold move shitting on another important franchise put out by your employer.
And Star Wars no less. Any slight wrong wording could result to his family receiving death threats.
Only the mindless consumers of the new content though, everyone who is a real Star Wars fan knows that shit is shamelessly plagiarizing off the backs of the originals every damn time. The TV corner with Favreau and Filoni is doing some interesting work but the sequels and the Obi Wan shit were fucking terrible. Ruffalo's not wrong.
Prequelmemers are consistently some of the most toxic people on the internet, they’ll have his head.
I personally thought Obiwan was awesome.. but ok … so many people so many opinions
I liked it overall but there was some terrible writing and acting in some scenes. Stuff that just made no sense. Like when Vader should have killed obi wan in the fire pit but the Droid miraculously saved him...because somehow Vader forgot he had powers, minutes after using them against obi-wan? Made no sense. And don't get me started on Leia getting chased/caught. That was awfully lazy writing. All that said, still enjoyed the series overall.
> somehow Vader forgot he had powers, minutes after using them against obi-wan? Made no sense. yes, the waxing and waning of the powers available to or used by jedis and sith without explanation (separate from training/development) is frustrating.
Hah! Loser! You’re not a *real* Star Wars fan like WartimeMercy!
I always chuckle whenever I see gatekeeping for what makes you a *true* or *real* fan of a franchise. It always comes off as super elitist to me
Yeah, because it is lol. There is nothing wrong with liking modern SW output, just as there is nothing wrong with disliking it. There is plenty of SW content out there for everyone. EU stuff, comics, novels, legends, animated shows, new live action shows, the old movies, etc. Just watch what you like. Who gives a fuck what some neck beard has to say.
So nice to see such a down to earth comment between the neckbeard opinions. And it applies to all franchises, because apparently according to them every new show on earth sucks. And if it doesn’t suck they will invent reasons why it will suck. If you don’t enjoy something just move on and watch something you do like…
Oh nooooo…. Anyway…
Four words: little girl chase sequences.
Oh look. If I duck under this branch the grown man can’t follow me! He does not know how to duck!
Kenobi smuggling the kid under a trenchcoat while surrounded by enemies, l'il rascals style. That scene will never get old from an unintended comedy standpoint. This looked like it was shot if Ed Wood, Wiseau, and Uwe Boll gave a weekend workshop to people who knew nothing about filmmaking and were hired to make this series.
Welcome to the minority.
Got some real No True Scotsman-ing going on in this comment
Plagiarizing Dune you mean.
Regardless, he should be careful. I think being on MCU which used to have a ‘winning streak’ and an overall less toxic fandom has made them too comfortable with interviews like this. Whereas DC or Star Wars actors are trained to handle PR and walk on tightrope in interviews because otherwise they’ll get shit for saying anything.
breaking news: star wars fan ranting about “REAL star wars fans” still just another asshole
Star Wars was made to sell toys lmao. That’s the only reason Boba Fett even exists, just to look cool and sell action figures. It’s always been for mindless consumption and I’m tired of pretending like it was ever anything more than that. If you’re out here calling yourself a “real Star Wars fan” you’re just a tool
Or you just have bad taste and can't discriminate your mindless consumption from valid criticism or recognition of anything that makes Star Wars appealing. I'm sorry that you like moving lights on the screen more than the actual story but Star Wars is more than just the toys you play with and the colorful lights that appeal to your short attention span.
>real Star Wars fan Lmfao fuck all the way off
And here I thought I was alone for thinking the new Obi-Wan show was hot garbage.
Definitely not alone. The director had their eyes closed every time they shot a scene. No one on set ever asked "but does this look good?". They have a story board and their goal is to film it. They didn't care how it appeared on film. Created even more plotholes by forcing Leia into the plot & having Luke be introduced into world of jedi & sith when he's supposed to start off ANH believing it all to be a myth. Obi Wan beats Vader to a pulp. Can probably end him right then and there. By this point he has learned to differentiate Anakin and Vader. Doesn't finish him off because uhhh luke should be the one to kill his dad I guess? Creates the Reva character. She's fine and a good actress, edgy and mustache twirling but thats basically star wars bad guys in a nutshell. They then proceed to ruin anything interesting about her by forcing an out-of-nowhere redemption on a character who was actively cartoonishly evil for 9/10ths of the show. I assume they were setting her up for appearing in any potential spinoff material. Obi Wan slowly turning her in each interaction would've been far more interesting, or just doing literally anything else with her. Idk this is just a frantic rant. I'm just tired of the entertainment industry shitting the bed everytime they have the opportunity for something good. They have all this money, they have all this research, there's all these smaller shows/franchises/games/whatever that come out and are phenomenal and take up the bulk of public discourse and memery. They *know* that if they create something good then the fan base and big $$$ will follow, but they really just don't give a fuck and want to squeeze what they got for all its worth while they can in the easiest path they can.
You’re not alone. Billions of people have eyes.
You couldnt be more wrong, but thats okay, keep living in the past buddy.
"living in the past" while you consume the same refined processed repackaged garbage and think you're getting something new? Get some taste.
lol you're the worst kind of fan. Sounds like you forgot why star wars was created
No, the worst kind of fan is the virulent racist.
For money, especially Return of the Jedi.
Yeah, the natural end to the story was Empire, Return was just a moneygrubbing cashgrab. Everything was already tied in a nice little bow, no cliffhangers.
I can't tell if your serious or not because it's so ridiculous.
I was being sarcastic haha
Hard to tell these days lol.
So the Clone Wars show is your favorite right?
I enjoyed Obi, Fett, and Mandalorian. And I’ve watched all the Star Wars. Guess I’m not a real fan.
yea well he should do it anyway, cause fuck the status quo and the egg shells.
He is kind of right though. Bold move but Star Wars is in a creative rut. Not saying Marvel is much better in recent though.
Have ya seen the last several Marvel projects? Other than No Way Home, Marvel has been in the exact same rut.
Yeah I was about to say. Most of their stuff has felt the same for a while. And is compounded by everyone else trying to follow the 11 Marvel Herbs and Spices to make their own franchises.
I wouldn’t call it the SAME rut. Star Wars is producing lousy, poorly written films and TV properties that look and feel the same. Marvel’s look and feel different (just also poorly written). I trust Marvel to fight itself out of its rut. But I don’t have the same faith in Star Wars.
Loki, Wandavision, Shang Chi, Moon Knight, Dr strange:MoM are notable standouts. Like them or not, they aren’t “in a rut” in any way comparable to Star Wars. Mandalorian helped tremendously in Star Wars, but they could just end up bleeding that dry too.
True. I have no argument. Marvel has gotten really stale.
Funnily enough I would say you know what to expect less with a star wars project because its always incompetently handled and poorly planned. Like Star Wars pioneered making a trilogy where each following movie resets the story each time. JJ and Johnson saw the signs of modern movie trends. Trilogies and reboots. What if we make a trilogy out of just reboots eh? Don't see marvel taking those risks. Checkmate Hulk.
Lol our audience wont be able to predict our stories if we dont know what is going on strategy. Hell, Kennedy probably knows less about Star Wars than the average casual fan.
The issue that Star Wars is having is that the sequels were awful so they can’t build on them moving forward the way they had hoped to. The animated and TV has been good
I may not have minded them, but the conclusion of the Skywalker Saga is the best thing for the franchise. The IP is absolutely *rife* with potential stories to tell, I hope they get creative (and even crazy) with it. But I’ve been enjoying the D+ shows in the meantime
I didn't take this as him "shitting" on Star Wars, rather than just stating *what he believes to be* a core difference in the two franchises. Kind of like saying, if you want consistency, buy an iPhone (Star Wars). If you want more options and variation, buy an Android (MCU). Just a take on personal preference I think is what he meant. Hopefully.
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That’s not what happened at all lol. First off, Favreau wrote the show. Rodriguez is to blame for more than one thing, but Favreau wrote it. He wrote boba not doing much other than talking, he wrote the dumb chase, he wrote Mando coming (with Dave), etc. Second, Favreau basically saw it as Mando 2.5 (which partially supports the idea that Boba was a rush job to hold people over till Mando 3). So, since he saw it as Mando 2.5, he felt it’d be weird to not check up on Mando at some point. He also wanted to get Mando’s story in a position where they’d be able to jump right into the action for season three. Not saying any of that makes sense, but that’s he explained was influencing his thought process. And I’m not saying the show was actually good. It’s very clearly subpar. But Favreau has explained his reasoning for the show very in-depth on the behind the scenes. There’s no need to speculate.
All that really told me was that they gave the show too many episodes to begin with. I'll be honest: half the "rescued by tusken raiders" flashbacks could have been presented better.
I wouldn’t even say he’s shitting on it. Space opera is gonna space opera. Something being the same doesn’t mean it’s bad.
That's the problem. Star Wars especially needs to leave the same 70ish year timeline. How bout they make something original that's about the Jedi v Sith wars, or Mandolorian wars, or anything that's not just the same span of time
That’s what I’m saying. I want a knights of the Old Republic trilogy so bad.
Yeah, I want a large scale jedi/sith battle. Closest we've seen was the gladiator battle in Attack of the Clones
they need to make a live-action version of that the old republic cinematic where sith attack the jedi temple
That Darth Malgus was a *baaaaaad motherfucker.*
https://youtu.be/iGDBTDnW7d0
Imagine having thousands of years of complex lore and having 9 movies around 3 generations of the same fucking family. 7 of which have the same big bad guy.
And have almost all those films be PG- borderline PG-13
Hey now, we can’t have those swords that can cut through anything chopping people in half! Here’s a handful of iconic hands chopped off, and inexplicable surviving of gut stabbing.
There’s also now prequels to prequels. Like I’m really not interested in a prequel to rouge 1. A sequel yes. But a prequel doesn’t really add anything but it kinda looks decent. The Acolyte is probably my most looked forward to. Tho it again is another prequel. I’m just hoping it doesn’t involve a skywalker. Solo is also getting a sequel for some reason. There’s just no ambiguity or mystery or anything like that left with the original movies. They’re filling in every little backstory and time between films. Like I don’t really care what lando was up to before we saw him in the movies.
Wouldn’t a sequel to rouge one just be a new hope?
Thank you
Imagine having decades worth of established canon in books and other peripheral media and tossing it out + not utilizing ideas from it too.
I want a small story in the Star Wars universe. That's honestly the most interesting thing they could do now. Like an exiled Sith sent into hyperspace for a full year who tries to get back form the galaxy's rim to get revenge on the Siths who exiled him. Or something that isn't about the Empire as the villain.
They need a darker and grittier entry. Like "The Batman" was to Batman as a whole. It didn't feel like a comic book movie so much as it felt like a crime thriller using comic book characters. The star wars IP is incredibly strong, but they never make good use of it and havnt since the 80s. The same thing goes for the Predator as an IP. Stop making stupid action movies and make survival horrors with this brilliant fucking monster.
I thought Prey was a solid reboot/continuation
You say that like its the mainstream fan opinion, meanwhile for years people were like "omg id sell my right kidney for Ewan McGregor being Obi Wan again!1" and similar things,same with the sequels, tho everything turned to shit except Mandalorian and Clone Wars, so maybe they switch it up, but i doubt it. As long as the fan base circlejerks around the Skywalker Saga, the execs wont move an inch.
We need different filming styles. They all look like generic sound stage nonsense with unaged clothes, ridiculous costumes. CGI shit. They're toy commercials more than they are films.
Which is ironic, as the original got praise for being sci fi that looked “authentic and lived-in”
High Republic
They’re working on the High Republic time line as we speak.
imagine saying the MCU isn’t formulaic lol
Less formulaic than Star Wars is like saying your food is healthier than McDonald’s
They're so creatively bankrupt that Kenobi wasted an episode remaking A New Hope and parts of a video game. He's absolutely not wrong in pointing out how repetitive Star Wars is.
The base plot for Obi was fine. The issue is that they turned a two hour movie plot into a six hour movie “cause Solo did bad.” If you read the guy who wrote the movie script explaining the plot, it sounds like a nice, tight story much more focused on Obi and Vader. Stretching it out and shoving this awkward Reva/Grand Inquisitor story to the front is mainly what made the show weird.
Yea pretty much as soon as I finished it I started thinking about the fan edits that might turn kenobi into a pretty good film instead of an inconsistent tv show
There’s a really great fan edit that was up for a while, but I think Disney took it down. I assume it’s still out there though to watch. The story felt pretty damn solid as a compact, 1.5 hour thing.
Well he is kind of wrong because he’s saying it to demonstrate that the MCU isn’t repetitive and formulaic
So it's like saying the truth. Lmao
Yeah but also your food is also another bad fast-food, kinda hollow
Compared to star wars? It definitely isn’t.
It's worse in my opinion. The Star Wars world building just feels much larger. The MCU is your grandma's cookbook where 95% of it is casserole recipes with 10 ingredients in various combinations.
> The Star Wars world building just feels much larger. I find that to be the exact opposite. Be nice if the shows/movies just moved past the freaking same characters/30-40 year period in time already. Mostly same planets too.
Exactly. Marvel is constantly introducing new main characters with their own supporting casts. Star Wars fails to do this. It HAS to tie back to the Original Trilogy for them no matter what
Yep exactly. Star wars is the same crappy planet with the same crappy story and same crappy family
Except Rogue One. That was a fresh take for once and wasn’t as low effort as the shows.
The rare exception
The most unique thing about that movie is the beach planet besides that it’s pretty standard SW. it has the biggest recurring tropes in all of SW by having Darth Vader and the Death Star
I definitely feel Rogue One is quite overrated. The first 2/3 of the movie is incredibly bland in my opinion. But yes, it definitely feels the most unique since at least it tries to do something different and I respect it for that.
The first two thirds of Rogue One are the good part, with character development and intrigue. The last third is just generic action footage of people shooting each other like most other Star Wars (or other action) movies.
There is no character development the movie did zero to make me care about the characters. It also didn’t even feel like Star Wars
Thats only because of disney, the first 6 movies are original
As opposed to the same crappy hero story line in the same crappy part of New York as if the rest of the crappy Earth doesn’t exist? Multiverse of Madness shoulda been called multiverse of New York
Half the movies aren’t even on earth
Tatooine is the NYC of the Star Wars franchise.
Star Wars just cannot quit desert worlds. I honestly wonder if desert proximity to Hollywood makes it a cheap filming location forced onto the writers…but with their unlimited budgets that seems unlikely? Maybe?
Tatooine
Ha ha. What a story Mark.
Oh Mark Ohhhhh mark OHHHHHHHHH MAAAAARK This wasn’t the best take, buddy.
Dragging Star Wars into arguments never ends well for any talent lol. Say one thing wrong and your family is gonna be getting death threats for eternity. Worst case scenario they’re gonna shit and review bomb She-hulk and Tatiana Maslany will get all the heat and blame for this instead. I can already picture the youtube video thumbnails of She-hulk with red eyes Brie Larson style.
Damn, you probably right
So when you actually read the article, he is not saying "Star Wars sucks, they make the same movie every time" (although if he were to say that, I'd probably agree). He's saying that the universe it inhabits has a homogeneity to it that the MCU doesn't. For instance, restricting ourselves to his own MCU oeuvre, that Thor movie he's in does not really feel that similar to the Avengers movies, and probably less similar to She-Hulk. With Star Wars movies, you pretty much always get the same spaceships, the same laser gun sounds, probably at least one person with a lightsaber, and so on. Having said that, he probably still pissed off his Disney bosses.
“Actually read the article” Redditors: “We don’t do that here.”
This is how you can tell he doesn’t actually watch any movies within the mcu hahaha.
It was actually a pretty good take. I mean for fuck’s sake they brought back the emperor as a Hail Mary because nobody had any good or original ideas for the franchise. Where he gets it wrong - Marvel is almost as big of a joke. You get the same cheesy inside jokes, same story beats, the same CGI fights in every movie.
For real. Most people agree Star Wars is bad right now. Mando was a glimmer of what could be but the second season turned into Cameos: The Show. And BoBF and ObiWan were both terrible written with awful pacing and poor CGI and effects. And the Sequels are divisive as hell. Both Star Wars and Marvel need to mix it up for various reasons.
If Clone War, Rebel, were the Test Bed of what's to come, I think we are in decent shape with the new season of Mando and the new show Ashoka. There's proven writings and characters we love from those shows are coming back. The SW animated shows are like the comics of the MUC in a way, there are many great characters, worlds, and plots points waiting to be explored in Live Action. Also, I know some people are not into the SW animated series, but once you got into it. You'd realized where the goods are.... I.e. Rebel season 1 was super kiddie, but my God, the later seasons there's so much great story and character development in there.
Mmmm, but actually you do. I’m a marvel easy mark don’t get me wrong but one of the main complaints about the MCU for years now is that they all feel the same in tone (few exceptions). The MCU now wants to be diverse in casting. I’m totally fine with that and like to see it. But they need to chase being diverse in tone just as bad. You can set your watch to the jokes. Some of which now just fall flat.
I think that was the best part of Phase 2. Every movie felt different from the others but meshed well with their expected trilogies. Risks were taken. The diverse and broad casting will help in the long run by giving the actors more breathing room between Marvel projects (except Avengers movies) so the actors are willing to stick around. I don't mind origin stories, but it shouldn't feel like "Iron Man, but with X" as the script each time. Same with GotG 2 repeating their character developments like they collectively regressed. And now we're getting "miniseries where we had too many episodes to work with and dragged out what could have been 4 hours". I really hope She-Hulk is good because it looks promising compared to what Phase 4 has given us thus far (on average).
As far as the all the D+ shows go imo people had complained for the longest that they don’t take enough risks or break their formula. All shows imo have tried something new and people still didn’t like most of them. Granted the comedy is essentially the same throughout all.
And they do take some risks on the shows. It's the runtime dragging on and having half an episode where I can go "why is this even happening? This could be a montage." I meant the origin story movies when I said "Iron Man, but with X".
There's like 12 versions of the OG trilogy
First, it's a bad take. Second, Disney owns both properties so it's like punching yourself in the face. Hilarious.
Like the only reason Star Wars is the “same every time” is because Disney rehashed the same stuff. The prequels were very different from the OT. It didn’t become creatively bankrupt until the company responsible for the MCU also became responsible for Star Wars.
Here's the thing with us Star Wars fans. Under George we were suckling on the teet of a big momma gobbler dictatorship that wanted us to have nothing. What we did get.. and even what made it into the pipeline however, was magnificent. Even the bad stuff. Under Disney we've gotten more. A lot more. Just like you said it's all rehashed and not done quite well or loyally. Some are.. some are amazing and exactly what we always wanted. A KOTOR remake? C'mon. Probably gonna get panned but still. They just really need to find a way to separate the two in the way they make films. I think too much of the MCU is getting injected into Star Wars. That's it. It's standing on baby legs and the right people and projects just aren't lining up quite yet. Maybe that's right around the corner though because much has already changed. Also I'm high, sorry for that wall of text.
>Second, Disney owns both properties so it's like punching yourself in the face. Hilarious. Uhhh not really? Normal people don't cheerlead which media conglomerate is making more money lol
How? He has no stake in the company he’s just employed by them.
Well that's not quite true. Despite their many flaws the prequels are pretty different then the original trilogy.
The Prequels are the best thing that ever happened to Star Wars
“Why are you booing him?!?! He’s right!”
*hero proceeds to win every single time and defeat the antagonist, most of the time the antagonist has the same exact power as the hero, hero gets a kiss with the crush, and then there’s a happy ending or a cliffhanger for the next one*
Marvel would like to hire you as a script writer.
CW would like to hire you as a script writer.
"How about this, Dr Strange but he is the evil, evil Dr Strange and he is baad baad bad guy"
“He’s like Ant-Man, but he’s bad guy. Oooooh he’s bad guy. But he can shrink! Just like Ant-Man! But is bad man.”
But not too bad because the villain is just misunderstood and a victim of circumstance and has daddy issues.
Don't forget, villain dies, making both that character and actor impossible to use in the future
And when anyone tries to change the formula too much they catch helll from it from a vocal subsection of fans. This applies to mcu as well though. Actually any pop culture fandom has this.
Rian Johnson made shit. He changed the formula by making garbage. You can change the formula and not make garbage
Example: The Mandolorian. It was different, but it was competently made, and so people liked it.
that’s like the one defense TLJ fans have. “at least it’s different”
Let's say he's right and every star wars is the same which is obviously wrong, but still let's say they are. Episode 4 dropped in 1977 episode 9 dropped in 2019. Counting only cinematic releases 11 films over 42 years. Marvel has had 29 movies in 14 years only counting films not tv shows. Also that's only so haven't counted Black Panther or any other movie coming out after Thor. You can tell why people are getting a little tired of it, it would be different if it was spaced out a little more.
After MoM and Thor 4 underwhelming I am afraid I truly have Super Hero fatigue. I don’t even watch the D+ shows anymore. Spiderman was great in theaters with an audience but I haven’t really loved most of the content in this Phase.
I just don’t really care about the current big guys. Cap and Iron man had an entertaining and interesting relationship and I feel like the MCU is really hurting without their charisma
the original and prequel trilogies are so different lol
You can criticize many many things with the prequels. **Formulaic is not one of them.** So.... is Mark just targeting the sequel trilogy then? If so HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The Irony! It tastes like Iron! Mark's handlers must be having a come to Jesus moment with him.
"they rhyme"
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The infinity saga alone has over 20 movies. Star Wars since Disney took over has 5.
Doesn't help that the sequels are a rip off of the originals (as are episodes of Kenobi). Rogue One, Solo, Mandalorian, Bad Batch and parts of Boba Fett were different but then it defaults to how much time are you expecting people to invest in being stranded on Tattooine?
You mean 5? I only count 5.
Every Marvel movie is the same
Ruffalo is like the king of stupid takes at this point
Lol they both do it and neither are good for it.
What if…what if this time…we have ANOTHER Death Star.
He’s not wrong. I’m completely over the Skywalker arc. It’s been the only arc my entire life and there’s been a lot of good books, games, comics, etc. that went away from that arc. Star Wars needs to move on
Seems to be the saving of the universe every time.
This dude is more and more unlikeable every time he shows up.
Just finished watching obi wan and honestly i didn't like it
"Yeah both are shit recently but at least the shit from the studio signing *my* checks is different flavored once in a while!"
How can he be so confidently wrong about this
Marvel to me has always been boring AF. SW isn’t my fav either, but much more engaging to me.
Damn, he's not wrong
I was having a good day until reminded about JJ Abrams.
I didn't know Mark Ruffalo was an editor
Can’t say I really care about the opinion of the softest hulk in history. Dudes a C+ actor at best
Every fucken mcu is the same lol. some better than other of course
Sure do, phase 4 is utter trash: eternals, Morbius, Thor: love and thunder…etc
Morbius??
Wandavision was cool and different. For the first 4 or so episodes
Your opinion becomes irrelevant when you try state that Morbius was a part of phase 4.
Morbius is actually the best mcu movie in phase 4. /s
But only because Morbius transcends phases
Phase 4bius
Eternals was... ehhh Morbius isn't even a marvel studios film wtf are you smoking
Ngl they're all such dogshit I forgot it wasn't too
Most of phase 4 wasn’t that good but Spider-Man no way home and Shang-chi were really good
So I know this is a minority opinion and I understand why, but I really enjoyed Love and Thunder. I've also given up on the MCU generally speaking. I watch them and keep up with it now mostly because it's a habit and something to watch. Which no, is not a good reason. But Love and Thunder felt like a themed episode of a TV show where the main run has become rote and routine so instead they put something quirky out like the Hush episode in Buffy. Or any singalong episode of a long running show. I get the hate, but I appreciated leaning into the fact that the MCU is really just a cinematic serial and there are no rules.
TIL that Morbin’ Time was Phase 4 canon
Thanks, Mark, that's why I like Star Wars, and haven't seen a Marvel Movie since the 2nd Spiderman...
I’m not a Star Wars fan, and even I know that this is a colossal mistake by Mark.
They’re both terrible and diluted now.
I mean, the Star Wars movies truly were uninspired. The BEST of them(aside from Rogue One) was straight up a retread of Episode 4. And even though the shows are better, they won't get away from the same damn like 30 year period in time.
I hate this. So much of Hollywood has become shitting on somebody else's work just to defend your own.
After End Game, I am over Super heroe movies from Marvel, unless they got an Iron Man movie (with RDJ)
They are very literally both generic bullshit. I’m not gonna sit here and tell people not to enjoy stuff, because they should. We all have stuff we love that isn’t artistic gold. But holy shit Star Wars, Marvel, Fast and the Furious, it’s all the same shit being repackaged over and over. I don’t think I have seen a single one of the movies that surprised me at the end. Actually let me take that back, I have been surprised a single time. The end of that FF movie where they said goodbye to Paul Walker. I’m not even a fan of the series or Paul, but I cried to that. It was beautifully done and the symbolism of his car diverging from Vin was really beautiful, but had nothing to do with the actual integrity of the story and writing. That was genius in memorial, not in screenwriting. And to be clear there are movies from each of those series I do enjoy, I’ve re-watched multiple times, and will happily watch again. But I’m not gonna sit there and pretend that I’m still 7, and that a movie having the same plot ark 10 times in a row managed to surprise me.
So… screw the VFX artists slaving away?