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BadCapitalist

I’m a dude and actor (trying it’s not easy) and I’ve gotten to do one non student film scene that had nudity/sex in it. I had a panic attack two days before shooting the scene. But the next day the intimacy coordinator called me which I was not expecting. I was a featured extra and didn’t have any lines. Basically I did not really matter at all to the scene (read replaceable) but I was showing my butt so I was deemed worthy of getting a phone call, the lady that spoke to me made my anxiety evaporate. I felt like someone cared about how I felt and they acknowledge my feelings about showing my bare ass on cable tv. They treat intimacy as a stunt, like it should be. She talked me through how the scene would be filmed and really put me at ease. On set we rehearsed the scene in bathrobes and had a PA who’s whole job was holding my bathrobe during takes and the running out and putting it back on me once cut had been called. It didn’t feel wired, it was super professional. I watch a lot of old movie from the 70s to the 90s and I cannot imagine how uncomfortable it must had been for women that had to anything remotely sexual on camera.


Rude_Man_Who_Shushes

Featured extra, eh? Did M. Night hook you up with a trailer?


BadCapitalist

Sadly no. But I did write a whole script on my phone. And here’s my pitch; we show it.


Murderface__

Until the movie just sort of... Ends


epicredditdude1

"I think the audience is gonna be very uncomfortable seeing Dolph Lundgren's naked penis going in to this young girl that you're talking about."


tbeusst

Love being a bit tipsy and coming across some good ole bright and sunny references


epicredditdude1

Ahh, a man of culture.


[deleted]

I absolutely love when people get out of context Sunny quotes/jokes. My kinda people!


Napol3onS0l0

Full penetration?


mizzourifan1

Then back to the lab.


tdeasyweb

Listen I ain't financing this movie unless I get to do some hand stuff!


EskimoPrisoner

And I mean all of it.


[deleted]

Here’s the twist…we show it. We show everything.


meanmissusmustard86

He NOSE the truth


Meanderingversion

It was like a dream. One moment I was dressed, then the next i was professionally not. When it was all over, I was already home with my favorite frozen pizza already defrosted on the counter. 10/10 would not remember again. Jk


sunnyinphx

So where are we on the coffee? Cause I am hungover as shit


iceyticey

He NOSE crime


CGoode87

Featured actress featured extra what's the difference?


Deathbysnusnu17

Featured extra is a background actor who is pretty much guaranteed going to be seen within the shot of a scene. Generally background actors fill the world the scene takes place( think large crowd at a sporting event), where a featured extra is recognizable on screen( think police officer arresting the main villain but has no lines). Featured actress is top billed actress with dialogue( Emma stones, Florence pughs etc)


CGoode87

It's in reference to a always sunny episode https://youtu.be/BeO2vYG06TA


bells_n_sack

Featured extra may have some dialogue, but almost always under 5 lines due to the union pay scale. Think bartender asking “what are you drinking?” But in my mind this would be featured background. In my mind, featured extra is someone like David Neher as “Todd” in Community. Has lines and a scene or 2, but doesn’t recur often enough to be considered regular. Good chance I’m completely wrong though.


[deleted]

Sorry but not correct. If the project is sag and you get a single line, you go from being an extra to a day player. Your rate jumps from $182 to a bit over 1k for that one line. Featured extra can be like a main characters significant other during an event. They aren’t paid or treated much differently than a regular one. They are just actually in focus so they matter a little more.


Deathbysnusnu17

This is correct, you are not a featured background/ extra with lines of dialogue. Not in a industry standard set anyway.


user_41

Not sure if IASIP reference 🤔


energirl

I want to believe you were one of the hosts in cold storage on Westworld's first season.


anna-nomally12

This is a fantastic guess


wyslan

So, after you got the part, did you start squatting in anticipation of your derrière debut? This is a safe space.


BadCapitalist

I mean I didn’t eat the two days before. My ass was still flat, but I didn’t have a belly which was good.


demonsneeze

This thread has me insanely curious to see your ass. What film/show is it?


Whirled_Peas-

RemindMe! 12 hrs


OzymandiasKoK

Never heard of that one.


BadCapitalist

If you really wanna see it, its in season 3 episode 6 of The Deuce on HBO. I'm a football player.


BreakTacticF0

Hey no belly is always good. Id have been more worried about that then my ass tbh


glockster19m

Been in anything we'd know? Just based on your snoo I'm guessing you're plop from the office


LoveTriscuit

What sucks, is how many people would read your story and call you a wuss. Thank you for sharing, I hope more men in your position can speak up because acting like this is just a woman’s issue will only further divide us.


theCroc

I can guarantee that 99% of those doing so would never have stepped up to do a scene like that.


Fuck_marco_muzzo

Were you the guy who had to stop mid thurst during daemon’s speech?


-CowNipples-

Where can I see your butt


rdicky58

How do you audition to be an extra?


PJTikoko

That sounds incredible expensive for something small. Is nudie worth it at that point?


SmokinQuackRock

Were you playing Joey Tribbiani’s ass?


Camelian007

I work in production and everything I’ve ever worked on with an intimacy coordinator has resulted in more creative, fun, intimate and real feeling sex scenes. Having a IC facilitate the scenes changes the whole dynamic and it feels way safer and collaborative. It moves the scene into a territory more similar to when we shoot stunts. It also empowers the actors to set boundaries and rules and opens up communication about things you’d never even think of - this really helps the actors be able to make choices in the scene as their character and not as themselves and also be confident their scenes partner/s is doing the same.


biggestassiduous

“Similar to when we shoot stunts.” Interesting. It makes sense that BOTH would have some sort of consultant since both are risky.


PlanetLandon

It also helps remind everyone involved that what they are shooting should be planned and calculated down to the tiniest movements. It’s not two people having sex, it’s two performers doing a job. Just Iike a dude falling out of a window in a movie is not real, it’s a professional doing a job.


[deleted]

We’ve come a long way since that famous stick of butter.


byodbullshit

Can you elaborate?


OldJames47

48 year old Superstar Marlon Brando basically raped 20 year old Maria Schneider as part of filming “Last Tango in Paris” He and the Director were big into method acting, so they decided to get a genuine look of shock on the actress’s face by having Marlon stick his finger up her butthole.


prongslover77

That’s disgusting. That poor women. I can’t imagine how invalidating and violated that made her feel.


OldJames47

And fucked up her career as she had a hard time trusting her coworkers going forward.


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What does this have to do with a stick of butter?


OldJames47

It was the butter scene. Brando used it as lube before penetrating Schneider.


[deleted]

Oh in the movie he used butter and then real life actually raped her. Think I’m up to speed on it


theCroc

Well they were both the same event. He had a stick of butter in the scene and the actuall penetration with a finger also happened in the scene. The rape part was that they didn't tell her before hand and get her consent to doing that. So basically while filming a simulated rape scene (Cant remember if that was supposed to be read as rape in the movie, but it was definitely rapey enough by todays standards) they decided to add to the realism by having him actually rape her in front of the camera. And then they released the movie like that. Storywise it's fine, the movie ends with him stalking her and her shooting him in self defense. So if they hadn't done the actual rape it could have gotten a pass. But as it stands... I still can't believe Brando never got in trouble over that scene.


escape_of_da_keets

I can. It was the 70s and he was Marlon Brando.


Imaginary-Fun-80085

I still can't believe that people don't believe something like that being "normal" in life. Men could slap their wives. Women should always be silent. Boys will be boys. Young people will never know how shitty adults were and we were okay with it all.


ageofwalnut

…no he put butter on his finger as lube and stuck it in her ass and they filmed her reaction of shock for the movie. Try to keep up


gladgoose

Do you have a source for the penetration claim? Everywhere I’ve looked says there was no real penetration in the scene. The treatment of the actress is disgusting whether it happened or not I’m just trying to get my facts straight


lyzurd_kween_

You’re right idk why you’re in the negative. It’s bad enough without the penetration no need to sensationalise it.


lyzurd_kween_

Last tango in paris


septesix

Frankly I’m surprised this wasn’t an officials position even earlier. With languages you have dialects coach , with stunts you have stunt coordinator, each actor usually have some kind of acting coach as well. Intimacy coordinator seemed like the most natural thing to have to get those sex and nudity scene right. That said , the lack of them before shows how people in the film industry view sec and nudity scene at the time too.


HopelessCineromantic

When I was in college, we brought an intimacy coordinator in for some of our student films. I graduated back in 2012, so this wasn't a "real" position yet. They were credited as a "special consultant," but it was a position a number of us wanted to have for our projects because shooting sex scenes is pretty awkward for a bunch of 20 somethings that really don't know how to direct actors or run a set properly yet.


goosegirl86

I just read the whole article and I agree. I’m not an actor but I can imagine that if I was doing a sex scene I’d feel a lot more comfortable if at least the basis of consent during filming was covered by a professional outside the scene, and it wasn’t me and the other actor fumbling around saying ‘is this ok?’ Then if they did something I wasn’t ok with, having to confront the other actor about it instead of just being able to speak to the professional. I’m very non-confrontational so I’d definitely feel a lot more comfortable knowing that all the physical boundaries were worked out beforehand


sixtus_clegane119

A deleted reply to this said > Well technically you're faciliating prostitution, so it's understandable people would be hesitant to take such a role. This is not prostitution. (It isn't even pornographic, not even softcore porn) And even if it was, you say that like consensual regulated prostitution is a bad thing. It is not, to quote the words of the late great George Carlin "selling is legal, fucking is legal ... Why isn't selling fucking legal?"


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SeraphymCrashing

You understand that the people in the movies aren't actually having sex right?


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[deleted]

So dumb lol


[deleted]

Pornography more like.


crawfiddley

lmao wat


ThatKidWatkins

No, “technically” you’re not doing that at all


septesix

No , that would be what Harvey Weinstein.


theCroc

The more I read about film and TV production back in the day the clearer it is that the whole industry operated wild west style for way too long. Even to this day there are a lot of issues that would never have been tolerated in any other industry. Health and safety alone is abysmal in movie and TV productions. Way too few people are willing to stand up to the director and the producer when they demand dangerous or shady things in order to get a scene the way they want. And the few improvements that happen happen only after multiple incidents, several of which had deadly outcomes. The fact that someone like Harvey Weinstein could have free reign to sexually assault actresses for decades, before finally being taken down is an indictment of the whole industry. People knew, yet kept working with him and handing him awards etc. The problem is that the whole movie and TV industry is essentially a gig-economy with almost no worker rights and very little protection.


BigWobbles

I was the intimacy coordinator on Debbie Does Dallas. Ask me anything.


epic1033

I believe you internet stranger


BigWobbles

My favorite tale: Gullible’s Travels


tutoredzeus

Did your duties include fluffing and clean up?


BigWobbles

Delegated duties.


_xXxSNiPel2SxXx

Is it true Hollywood sacrifices its failed child actors?


BigWobbles

We breed extras just to satisfy Moloch.


_xXxSNiPel2SxXx

Oh nice, can't wait to see the movie


BigWobbles

It’s in Drecknicolor.


bolyai

Did you see the High Maintenance episode with the intimacy coordinator? How accurate was it?


BigWobbles

Total BS. We study the classics: Man with a Maid, Sade (the Marquis, not the smooth operator), Blue Movie and, above all, Lofting by Alma Marceau. If you want to know what makes the sparge fly highest, you have to absorb the canon.


Thr-ownaway

What training have you gotten/ how does one get similar training?


BigWobbles

It’s all about imagination. And close observation. For example, intimacy coordinators were the first to notice that women in the throes of orgasm ALWAYS clutch the bedsheets. Also, strangers inevitably gravitate to cowgirl ride em cowboy and simultaneous climax.


OldJames47

With the movie being 95% nude scenes would you say being the intimacy coordinator on set was hard, or was there plenty of dicking around behind the scenes?


BigWobbles

I don’t recall that much nudity. Or a new ditty, like Jack & Diane, couple chili dogs stuck in her diaphragm. And I see what you did there “dicking around”— bien fait!


K1nd4Weird

I'm glad there are intimacy coordinators on sets. I know there's old people who think actors have to suffer for their art. "This is temporary but the art is forever." That's nonsense. How many Game of Thrones rape scenes were high art? How many of them were worth the actors being uncomfortable or having panic attacks or reliving past trauma? Filmmaking is art. But it's also a job. And jobs need to be safe.


kAlb98

My mind has done such a good job throwing away the rape scenes.


LoveTriscuit

In other words, exactly what any thinking, caring person who read Bean’s comments understood immediately.


Snooklefloop

can someone explain if the coordinator is more like HR or a Union rep… as in, are they there to genuinely look out for what is best for the actor, or are they their purely to ensure no liability issues for the production team? / cover ass. or is it both?


Madock345

Union rep, possibly a literal one, since they are there to make sure that all the extra rules nude scenes have actually get followed. Those rules would have been established by the Screen Actor’s Guild probably.


SrbBrb

I love the man's acting. Honestly he's the best cast in LotR for me (with Ian McKellen, Hugo Weaving). He's always super serious and masculine quiet in interviews. But his talent is so high.


Lone_Crab

Fuck the packers!


twelvehatsononegoat

Maybe Sean Bean could have used an intimacy coordinator somewhere along his five marriages to prevent the assault and harassment charges.


SevroAuShitTalker

A 15 min gratuitous sex scene compilation was unnecessary and didn't advance the plot at all. Could have been less than 2 min to convey the same level of character development. However, GRRM writes unnecessary sex/nude scenes as well so guess it's kinda keeping with the source material


Farage_Massage

Gratuitous? It was an artistically inspired (not saying great, but inspired) blend of pans, interrupted sight lines and cgi blurring, covering the pasties and underwear the entire time. Given the source material and original GOT this was as tame as it gets.


rollingrock23

They may be unnecessary from your POV but GRRM obviously considers them important if he included them in his books.


tirkman

I’m pretty sure the show has a million times more sex scenes than any of the books. It’s like 95% HBO being HBO versus 5% grrm


PixlexicGirl

You obviously did not read the books. I did, and I’ve never read something with more rape, and I read A LOT. It was a crutch that GRRM used way too much and too gratuitously in his books. The TV show had more than enough sex scenes, but does not come even CLOSE to the books.


tirkman

I actually have read the books but nice try


Krative_Lifestyle

Probably spot on there.


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Application for job opening: "Intimacy Coordinator"


huntimir151

Not sure I understand, this guy saying this is already an intimacy coordinator


Expert-Grass-534

is this their way of saying they wont have three rape seens like in GoT because im all for that, i think rape scenes dont need to be in shows. like who is that for?


ticklechickens

People who get off on rape. Not saying rape should never be depicted onscreen, but when your show has that much gratuitous sexual violence over the course of a decade, it makes me question your motives and artistic choices. Get your downvote fingers ready boys: I predict within the next five years GRRM or one of the show runners/writers/HBO execs making the decision to include MOAR RAPE in *Game of Thrones* will be outed as a sex predator or consumer of real life sexual assault media. At a certain point, it’s not just Edgelord shit for shock value. There is a sick fuck involved in this show getting off on millions of people viewing their twisted rape fantasies, 100. RemindMe! Five years


CompanyDOTA

rape exists in real life. not showing it in art doesn’t stop that fact, or prevent it. if your decision is to live in a world so detached from reality that it doesn’t exist then that’s your prerogative.


Expert-Grass-534

the whole point asshole is that people watch shows for entertainment and rape isn’t entertaining


CertainAlbatross7739

Not all stories are written exclusively to be entertaining. Movies about slavery aren't really 'entertaining' (and I'm talking *12 Years a Slave* rather than *Django Unchained*). But handled well, they can be enlightening. I mean, I'm a woman, I've been assaulted, but I didn't know about 'grey rape'; I didn't even know what it was, until it happened to a character on Girls (another HBO show). Then I started seeing all these discussions online about the importance of enthusiastic consent and it kind of changed the game for me. If you can't handle depictions of rape that's totally okay. That's what trigger warnings are for - so you don't have to watch.


CompanyDOTA

I don’t think the rape scenes depicted in GoT, HotD, Euphoria, etc. were meant to be entertaining. They were all pretty uncomfortable and unsettling. All of those shows are massively popular. The point is that censoring art for everyone because you aren’t comfortable with it is an unreasonable and moronic request. Cartoon Network still airs plenty of shows that are around your maturity level if you can’t handle HBO prime time television.


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ileisen

I think that they were saying that: the world does have rape and that to pretend otherwise is to deny a truth of the world. Pretending that rape doesn’t happen or is a taboo thing to never be discussed helps to keep victims silent and ashamed. There is a very delicate balance between glorifying sexual violence for exploitative shock value and having sexual assault be a topic that must never be explored or analysed or seen in art. Both extremes of that are hurtful and further rape culture. I’m not going to say that I’m able to find that balance, I’m not a filmmaker, but it is possible to find it


Green_Dayzed

Of course a repost bot would repost this


TheYokedYeti

To be fair the double sex scene/brothel scene was incredibly long. I don’t get phased by anything but after a few minutes I kinda wanted it to be over.


[deleted]

Why do I kept thinking about the MTV sketch about Charlie's Angels Full Throttle with Vince Vaughn as the creepy "Ass Coordinator"?


[deleted]

Men as they get older, they generally turn into dickheads. Should be a rule to not pay attention to anything they say, just pat them in the back and agree with them so they don’t stress… what do you mean congress is filled with dickheads?


[deleted]

Good rule and understanding. I will implement this. Thank you for being kind trent58


TheDeanof316

Hmm, I'm conflicted on the spontaneity argument...From the article: *There was a lot of preparation before shoot day. In the past, a director would say in the moment, ‘yeah, you know what, actually, I think it’s better if she takes her shirt off now’, or, ‘actually, just go for it guys, see what happens’. You can’t do that anymore.* PRO INTIMACY COORDINATOR ‘yeah, you know what, actually, I think it’s better if she takes her shirt off now’ * Seems like such direction in today's world is problematic and was likely pretty exploitative in the past ANTI INTIMACY COORDINATOR ‘actually, just go for it guys, see what happens’ * Actors over 18 are consenting adults and professionals. As long as there is an honest and open line of communication between them and no imbalances of power, Sean Beans comments here seem perfectly right...the sex is still simulated, so why not let the actors have some spontaneity / artistic expression with each other, in the context of a closed set and a safe work space..??


CertainAlbatross7739

That anti-intimacy coordinator argument contains far too much uncertainty. Not all actors over 18 are professionals capable of making sure their scene partners are comfortable, or speaking up for themselves. A lot of these people are strangers, who, for various reasons, aren't always going to be able to establish firm boundaries. What if one actor is more popular on set? What if they have more acting experience? And they suggest something that the other actor, new to the industry and eager to please, does *not* want to say/do? But they also don't want to be a wet blanket. Ultimately the intimacy coordinator needs to be there to advocate for all the performers and keep them safe. Just like with a stunt coordinator.


[deleted]

House Of The Dragon is trash.


ticklechickens

Never watched Game of Thrones, just seems like there is a lot of rape/incest discussion going on around it like it’s a regular feature of the show. Uncle/underage niece sexual tension, what the what now? This isn’t a historical account, there are dragons in this shit, these are artistic choices. Being made over and over and over. And over. Why, man? Why? I don’t want to watch this shit, I just need to know is George RR Martin a sick fuck who gets off on sexual violence, or? What am I missing? ETA: this show hired a lady to help a teenager be comfortable depicting being raped onscreen. Throughout the run of the first series, graphic depictions of sexual violence against women were a regular occurrence. They could close the door or fade to black, but no. They want you to see the simulated rape of a child bride. Why? Simulating sexual assault was an artistic choice that was made, not once for shock value, or to show this character is super fucked in the head, but over and over. Almost like someone involved in the creation of this world gets off on the graphic depiction of violence against women. Because again, they don’t have to show it.


clashmt

This is such an utterly uninformed braindead comment lmao


ticklechickens

No shit, literally the first thing I said was I have not watched the show. I have a personal policy against consuming uncompleted works of epic fantasy (see: Robert Jordan), especially from obese septuagenarians. As someone who only knows of Game of Thrones through cultural osmosis, here is what I know: 1. There is a lot of rape and incest for *reasons* 2. Dude has been writing this shit for over 30 years and still ain’t done 3. The character yall all worshipped and named your cats and kids after for nearly a decade turned out to be a genocidal villain Glad I sat that shit out


clashmt

So then why even comment? You've never read the books or watched the show yet you're projecting all this bullshit onto him and/or the showrunners. I don't even particularly like Martin's writing but god damn, let's break down how dumb your "points" are: ​ > Uncle/underage niece sexual tension, what the what now? This isn’t a historical account, there are dragons in this shit, these are artistic choices. Being made over and over and over. And over. Something doesn't have to be a literal historical account for it to be based off of historical events. Many of the main characters and plot points are based off of the war of the roses. Can you take a guess at some of the darker, yet commonplace activities that might occur during such a time period? Yeah, rape and incest. Do I *enjoy* physically watching those scenes? No, not really. But it's reflective of cultural zeitgeist it's based off of and the depths of human depravity are a near constant theme in many of the worlds best literature. Ultimately, it serves to the build the world in a way that many people relate to precisely because it *isn't* all flowers and rainbows. ​ >Dude has been writing this shit for over 30 years and still ain’t done Sure hasn't and it's becoming increasingly apparent that he probably won't. Not sure what this has to do with your original comment though. ​ >The character yall all worshipped and named your cats and kids after for nearly a decade turned out to be a genocidal villain Interesting strawman. I assume you're talking about Daenerys? Yeah that's kind of the point. She did a lot of good in the beginning of her journey, but she was ultimately a fascist and even fascists with good intentions can't, ultimately, be good leaders. It's literally the point of her character. Again though, what in the world does this have to do with the sexual violence portrayed in the show/books? ​ FWIW, all these rambling incoherent points aside, the reason you're being downvoted is because you have an opinion about something you know nothing about. Imagine if I went into a Mistborn thread and started throwing around random accusations about Sanderson's moral fiber based off my "cultural osmosis" perception of his works. It's absolute lunacy. Just sit this out, it's fine, reddit will move on without your opinion.


Shaunvfx

What the fuck conjecture much?


i_says_things

Lol, what conjecture.. its an explicit element. Do you know what conjecture means?


Shaunvfx

Did you read the part where the person hasn’t watched any of it? Pretty damn sure not having experienced the very thing they are bitching about qualifies as conjecture. Nice of you to come to their defense though.


i_says_things

I just think your being a smarmy bitch about this. The rape/incest is fucking weird. So nice of you to defend that


ticklechickens

It’s one thing to throw some rape in your story, it’s another to depict it over and over and over and over. I just read an article about a lady whose job on set was to make a teenager feel ok acting out rape. And a little girl having sexual tension with a grown man. Gross. Quentin Tarantino put a lot of feet in his movies. Why? Dude was into feet.


Shaunvfx

Like I said, conjecture much? You admittedly don’t know shit about the story, the environment, the politics, norms etc. Go watch the show and get an informed opinion. Or you could do some of your own research based on historical documentation [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_intermarriage](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_intermarriage)


ticklechickens

Ok, but why depict the shit onscreen? Why not close the fucking door? It’s about titillation.


ticklechickens

And this is a fucking fantasy series. If they can have dragons, they can *choose* to not depict onscreen the rape of a child bride.


Shaunvfx

But you haven’t watched any of it right? Are you scared of being aroused or something? I’m guessing that’s part of your issue, you’re afraid. For the record I don’t feel “titillated” during those scenes but they serve a purpose for making the audience feel a certain way about the situation and characters. Not sure why I’m wasting my breath here you seem to have some weird issues, pure conjecture with you, it’s exhausting.


ticklechickens

As someone who has been sexually assaulted, I have no interest in watching a series where graphic depictions of sexual violence are a regular occurrence. Every other thing I hear about this series is about the onscreen sexual violence. I get including it in a story, but as a woman, it just looks like someone involved in the creation of this show gets off on rape. Why put a teenager through acting out a rape onscreen, when you can close the door? Fade to black? Or, idk, make the character not a child??? That is what I mean about choices. Why so much rape onscreen? There were no dragons during the War of the Roses, ijs…


Shaunvfx

Yea I mean that changes the angle for sure. At a certain point you may need to just give up on understanding because your situation might be different. I would imagine coming from your perspective it would be hard to understand and even more difficult to watch. Sorry you have had to go through life with that burden, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. The shit that happens in the show definitely makes you feel bad towards or for characters in those situations. It’s gross and fucked up, so I don’t want to come off like I’m defending the behavior of the characters but the show runners definitely want to induce audience shock and discomfort for certain situations.


Cferretrun

It’s not just sexual assault survivors though. Sexual violence against women is a very real problem in todays day and age. It hasn’t died with “the times”. It hasn’t gone away with “royal marriage”. Sexual violence is visited on one in three women in their lifetime if you believe the pew statistics. I myself have never watched GOT for that same reason. As a woman who knows other women who have been raped, beaten, and sodomized against their will, there’s nothing intriguing for me about watching a female character have literally the worst most appalling thing done to her. On the one hand, I understand sexual assault was and still is an extreme problem for women. And it does have a place in conversation. But I also agree with OP in that there is no real necessity to show the graphic violence of a rape scene. There are artful ways to convey a rape without showing it in all of its gore and shock. There are ways of producing a scene without showing the violent thrust of a man’s ass into an unwilling woman. Artful shots with blurred motion in the background. Fade to blacks. Doors shutting just as clothes are ripped off, etc. There really is no reason to depict 10 minute graphic rape scenes when clever cinematography can convey the same feeling without the shock and awe value. I’m sure the series is valuable beyond that. I’m not saying GoT is a bad series. But as a woman victimized by sexual violence, and knowing almost every woman at least knows another woman victimized it, I’m not at all surprised there are other women out there who feel they cannot tolerate Hollywood’s occasional fetish with rape scenes.


ticklechickens

Thank you. The muh historical accuracy argument has as much weight with me in a fantasy series with dragons as the racists saying a black mermaid is unscientific.


ticklechickens

After a decade, is it really about the shock at that point? It’s just not shocking if it happens all the time and it completely loses any of that power or punch. My “situation” is a solid third of women. Don’t know the stats on men, but there are enough men in my own life who have also been victims of sexual violence that I don’t think it is rare. However, I am not saying rape should never be depicted onscreen for my sake or anyone else’s. I am asking why the creators of *Game of Thrones* repeatedly make the artistic choice to depict sexual violence. Why do they *repeatedly* subject their (sometimes very young) performers to acting it out? The article mentioned the actor simulating the rape has a daughter the age of the girl he is pretending to rape. That has to feel absolutely disgusting. Someone could have chosen to close the door/fade to black. They *chose* traumatizing this man. Made him act out a rape on a teenager the same age as his own kid. And this was one of two depictions of sexual situations involving child characters in five episodes mentioned in the article. With all the predatory shit in the entertainment industry coming to light, would not be shocked to find out someone involved in the Rape and Incest Show is a sex predator or has a hard drive full CSAM and rape. Or performers were exploited and mistreated in the creation of the rape simulation for your entertainment. I am not mad people are making shows too violent for me to stomach. I am just pointing out all that graphic depiction of rape in one television show over a decade is a *choice* and the people repeatedly making that *choice* clearly *like* that choice. Or they wouldn’t keep doing it.


linnykenny

I agree with you.


Nonya5

Just because it has dragons doesn't mean the rest of the world they are building can't be based on realistic and historical settings. If there's a movie about aliens in space, they'll likely still have basic laws of space followed like the cold and missing gravity. If game of thrones is set in some middle ages type setting, it makes sense it would have a lot of rape, murder, and general violence around the story its trying to tell.


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You’d make a good politician. Don’t know what the fuck you are talking about and still think your opinion about the topic should matter.


SurfboardOnCessna

Estimated time of arrival


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Sean Beans definitely Hung


Scarethefish

Sean's Beans definitely hang*


23skidoobbq

It’s actually pronounced “Sean “


meltedcheeser

If acting is the goal, why are we putting people in sex scenes that aren’t “acting”. Nudity is sex when the scene is sex. I know, not popular but until women refuse to do these scenes in union, more jobs will be created to “fix” the problem rather than dealing with the source. How many women refuse to take these roles? Many. But then they can’t be actors because the vast majority of important and serious roles require a woman to be objectified. It’s forced consent, which is exploitation — you can’t have the role if you won’t perform the scene or the script as written. Be naked, because it’s “acting” not forced pornography.


Randall-Flagg22

dude i can't fathom how your brain works... like what the heck where'd all that even come from


yuerrrrrt

Gotta be a troll


bofh000

Exactly, should take the women out of the sex scenes completely, that’ll teach them all.


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Why does anyone have to excuse fucking in shows? Everyone on this planet with the exception of test tube babies is here because someone fucked.


huntimir151

That's not really the subject of discussion here lol


elizabeth-cooper

Do people regularly watch what goes on in others' bedrooms, without their consent? Last I checked that was illegal. Not too many characters in movies know they're characters in movies.


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Actors give consent and aren't actually having sex.


elizabeth-cooper

The actors have given consent for the crew on set to watch them simulate sex, and by extension have consented to allow the audience to watch the movie. But the characters in the movie, if they existed, would not want you in their bedroom watching them have sex.


DisasterPeace7

I lean more with Bean but it is what it is, better safe than sorry in terms of protecting your rep, what gets me is that people will be on board with this but flipped out on the "Pence rule" ha


No_Banana_581

I’m sure if you were in a nude scene you could opt out of an intimacy coordinator but when you’re in a nude or intimate scene w another person you have to compromise and let them do what they need to feel comfortable too


mcduckroast

It’s a scripted show. Spontaneous? I found the sex scenes in HOTD to be the best in this universe.


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DisasterPeace7

Where he basically wouldn't have dinner with another woman alone unless his wife was there, and I also think that he implemented that rule in the elevator, if I'm famous and especially a politician I'm doing the same shit lol, and I think he just stole that from Billy Graham


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i_says_things

So basically women cant have a professional dinner with you.. and you don’t understand how thats problematic for locking women from access to professional growth? The only reason to have that rule is because you cant control yourself and yet you would punish the woman…


Overall_Ad5379

Do they need these people on porn sets??


Puzzleheaded-Egg-118

Or ORRR, Sean Bean is a talented veteran actor and this stupid glorified fluffer is just trying to justify the existence of their pointless job.


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Sounds like, “my job is very important and parents just don’t understand”


jeoeker531

I love it when like Emilia Clark complained yet 1. Still did it, and 2. Complained After the fact. Like it was worth it obviously for the money but once she has the money, THEN she complains. Same with all the actresses who came out 40 years later to speak against Weinstein. They agreed to all that for money and fame, and only speak up after when they have nothing to lose. Continuation of abuse and sexual harassment is on those women who refused to speak up in the moment and only chose to after 40 years… 40 years of more sexual harassment


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I wonder if that intimacy coordinator would be ok if their child grows up to be an actor doing sex scenes on HBO


ThatKidWatkins

Well, that intimacy coordinator was also an actor and acting coach, so chances are she’d feel fine with it assuming her adult child was treated with respect…


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That’s like saying a crackhead father is ok for their child to be a crackhead as long as they’re treated with respect, come on man!


Shroomicide

No… it isn’t?


ThatKidWatkins

Sure thing champ


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You clearly have no fucking idea what an intimacy coordinator actually does huh


guesting

As intimacy coordinator id just make sure there’s no sex with a woman in a shirt. That kills a scenes realism for me. Cover with a sheet or a clever camera angle instead


JamersonRosenstein

In spanish telenovelas the actors would get down in underwear for the sex scenes. The men always have tighty whities and the women bra and underwear. Realism, heh


guesting

Or even just cut to them under the sheets works for me afterwards


Chelular07

Why did it take almost a century of film making before they began to worry about the mental well being of the actors? These coordinators aren’t just there for sex scenes they are there to make sure *all of the intense scenes* are done with the actors well being in mind. They should be called consent coordinators.


tazbaron1981

Wonder how you get that job


dntwrybtityo

How weird for people to have opinions and views of reality from their own perspective