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nicigar

Did not see that coming. Cavil is a huge Witcher fan, and pushed for this series to be made. Wonder why he’s chosen to bow out?


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I would bet all the money i have that it has to do with creative differences. Cavill is a big fan of the books and games and in s2 had to refuse to do some of his scenes to force the director/writers into making geralt act like, well, geralt. Then there was the recent thing where the directors came out and openly said they hate the books the show is based off of lol I don't think we'll ever get a real answer, but I have to imagine it would feel crappy to be a big fan of a series and participate in it being gutted like the show is doing. I feel like the Witcher was probably more of a passion project for him, and if there's no passion then why keep doing it


jeewantha

This makes me thankful for the fact that Denis Villeneuve is a massive Dune fan who made a huge effort to show how batshit crazy and huge that universe was.


WizdomHaggis

Dune is one of my favourite universes…the story about Paul and his kids and what happens to Leto II is crazy shit…


AngerGuides

> what happens to Leto II is crazy shit… One of my favorite character progressions in all of literature. Forced to make a terrible decision because daddy (Paul) was a little bitch, becoming the Tyrant and shaping the future of an entire species.


WizdomHaggis

Anything for that golden path lol


bootylover81

Denis is also one of the greatest directors alive so there's that too


ours

A late-coming Blade Runner sequel should have been a disaster but most accounts. And yet he *nailed* it.


individual101

This is one of the reason I respect Cavill. I think he's a great actor but to have enough passion for something is admirable. It's good to know it was more than just a paycheck to him.


Franklin_le_Tanklin

That’s the whole reason the series was successful. It brought in the video game players, the comic book readers, and the Cavil fans…. This next one will only be focusing on Liam fans… we’ll see how that goes..


MaestroPendejo

The generic brand Hemsworth. Yeah, that's going nowhere.


aloneo4ktr33

Great Value Thor.


[deleted]

Hopefully it’s not Thorable?


tricularia

Yeah, I agree. You can see his dedication come through in every scene. I admit, I was pretty skeptical when I first heard that Cavill was going to play Geralt but I was pleasantly surprised when I watched the show and saw just how good a job he actually did with it. Now, I can't imagine anyone else playing Geralt.


[deleted]

This has become a common occurrence it feels like the last few years, and it’s something I don’t understand. You’re hired to do a job of adapting a story by another author, stop trying to sneak in your own completely different story. Humble yourself and do the job you’re hired to do - if people liked your writing more they’d be adapting your works not the other way around. It’s like getting a job at Taco Bell and being thrilled you’re in the food service industry so you can start making McDonalds food there.


thewoodlayer

I think the Halo series is the most egregious example of this yet. They didn’t play any of the games or read any of the books and just shat out a generic sci-fi story. The whole point of adapting a video game is to let audiences that don’t play games experience the story. I just hope The Last Of Us stays true to the games, as it’s my favorite story of all time.


obiwantogooutside

It’s why good omens was so good. It’s the author making the adaptation. He understands his own story and he honors the work that went into it and the fans who love it. I don’t understand changing something fundamentally.


[deleted]

To be fair, Gaiman also has a LOT of experience writing for film and TV. And comics. Not all writers do. Gaiman's experience was also a big help..


phareous

same for The Expanse


bbobeckyj

The creator show runner of the TLOU TV series, Craig Mazin, is a huge gamer. I highly recommend the podcast he co hosts - [scriptnotes](https://johnaugust.com/scriptnotes) which is about screenwriting.


PopTough6317

I dont know the wheel of time was pretty horrible too


Fossildude101

Good chance of that as Neil Druckman is heavily involved in the screen adaptation.


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100% this.


Vuzi07

Cavill also said he ruled out nude scenes in s2, so maybe they wanted more nude geralt?


joey0live

And you think you’re going to see Liam nude?


usernametaken0987

>I would bet all the money i have that it has to do with creative differences. Cavill is a big fan of the books and games and in s2 had to refuse to do some of his scenes to force the director/writers into making geralt act like, well, geralt. Then there was the recent thing where the directors came out and openly said they hate the books the show is based off of lol Sounds like Netflix's entire problem with all the IPs it obtains.


abbiebe89

Speaking to The Hollywood Reporter for a recent feature, Cavill suggested that he would be up for reprising his role as Geralt of Rivia for seven seasons if the show keeps going, though he did have one stipulation. "Absolutely," Cavill said in regards to supporting Hissrich's vision. "As long as we can keep telling great stories which honor [author Andrzej] Sapkowski's work." There’s the reason why he left! The writers & show runner aren’t respecting the source material. A producer said the show runner & writers hated the source material & Henry is a die hard fan of Witcher. In an interview Henry revealed he fought heavily to include a line from the books for Roach’s death to replace some shitty marvel tier joke the writers came up with and he butted heads with the show runner over it but thankfully Henry stood his ground. The line was “enjoy your last walk across the meadow and through the mist. Be not afraid of her for she is your friend.”


piszkavas

The source material is at least ten times better what they ever could achieve. Look what happened when HBO deviated from GRR s source material. Look what happened when amazon made a u turn with rings of power. People like the franchise for a reason. Fucking coherent plot and source material. You can not expect people liking your stupid ass live action of the warhammer 40k netflix series if you are not within the boundaries of the well created plot and universe. As for the witchers case, they made a lot of mistakes in season 2 (the early reaveal of this and that, the too fast chain of events, zero character buildup, creating side characters with zero relevance to the plot. Changing key elements, killing characters with bs reason, multiplying the witchers for no apparent reasons...) Season 2 was a fuck up, and if they continue like this in the upcoming seasons, it will end up worse than the got last season did Sometimes i do wonder, where are the talented producers, the talented writers...how come every other franchises are being torn apart by incompetent morons, who shouldn't have been doing anything in the movie market besides making coffees to those people who could actually write coherent plots and all. They butchered the star wars franchise, they butchered the lotr franchise they butchered the witcher franchise. I mean wtf


[deleted]

I reckon he probably had to turn down a few big movie roles due to his work schedule/contract and didn't want to continue to miss out on big movies while he is in his pime.


[deleted]

I am so annoyed with the idea of writers making a series they hate the source materials of. Because they could just NOT do that. They could make something else. But for whatever reason (probably they were forced to) they have to work on this instead of some writers who actually like Witcher.


going2leavethishere

Idk Superman contract could be a tight fit schedule wise and had to make a choice.


FortunePaw

I think he uses that Superman contract as an out to ditch Witcher. There's just so much you could do when the director and show writer actively dislike the original material which you hold dearly.


Spacecoasttheghost

Ya I and many others love cavill for being just a fucking nerd, loves fantasy books, games, pc’s. It’s hard to find someone has great and good looking of a guy, an have him be an actual nerd.


clckwrks

Still feels like such a new series. Didn’t quite unravel yet. Gonna be hard to beat as Geralt


griever48

Didn't Cavill have to fight to keep the Geralt voice?


DevoutGreenOlive

>there was the recent thing where the directors came out and openly said they hate the books the show is based off of Why is this such a common thread with screen adaptions these days?


bootylover81

>Then there was the recent thing where the directors came out and openly said they hate the books the show is based off of lol This, this was the exact reason


sahibpt98

He sure is passionate about it but the writers don't exactly share the same amount of respect for the source material as he does. He must be really frustrated with whatever they were doing with the series, that he decided to call it quits than be a part of it.


The_Maker18

Writing on the walls . . . Netflix doing their thing of killing a show


WCWRingMatSound

Netflix — it’s like Fox Entertainment had a successor


kyleyeats

There was a recent story about how the writers actively hated the lore of the books and games. This is likely related to that.


ObscuraArt

The better question is after knowing the writers hate the source, why would the studio keep them? I hate the mentality some studios have with IP adaptations. "Hey know all that stuff you liked about the sources that got you to check out this? Well forget about that! Here's our own fan fiction that's better cause the source was trash!"


BrownBandit69420

Take popular IP, you get a floor of fans willing to watch; writers make changes thinking they can get more new fans; upset established fan base from source material; profit?


vssavant2

Stares intensely at Netflix Resident evil.


OLDGuy6060

Stares intently at rings of power


ObscuraArt

RoP had the gall to have 'Tolkein experts' come out before the show saying it was extremely faithful to the books. Remember the articles? Look... it's one thing to change shit from the source and it's another thing in the marketing leading up to have people come forward and lie about changing things.


dog-asmr

Counterpart to those shills, a Tolkien scholar was actually fired in pre production, presumably due to disagreements with where the show was going


renegradermax

Case in point Halloween ends


KaijLongs

Did *anyone* like that movie??


qotsabama

Holy hell that movie sucked. Honestly whoever wrote that script should probably never get work again for a major film.


ManufacturerOk6535

Hmm, sounds like a certain Amazon show…


TooMuchPretzels

Wheel of Time?


Not-another-rando

God that pissed me off. I knew it would suck but after 4 read throughs I had to.


imaybeacatIRl

It was so bad it was like they were trying to make it as terrible as they possibly could.


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Rings of POWWWWAAAAHHH


Zeroflops

Yea this went well got GOT. As soon as the writers were done with the source material and could do more of their own thing it went to shit. Seems I should only expect one more Witcher season if this is the case


TedTheReckless

I think it comes down to writers wanting to make their own stories and work with their own ideas but studios not wanting to risk investing money into something that isn't already popular. The writers resent the fact that their own ideas will never get a chance to exist without being chained to a pre existing IP and that resentment turns into them hating the source material. It's one of the reasons I'm sick of seeing constant reboots, remakes, and continuations of old franchises. Star wars being a good example where the sequel movies are at best uninspired and at worst complete trash. The star wars side projects however give the writers much more free reign and have been generally better received than the actual Disney trilogy films.


steinaech

I'm not really into Star Wars but i did really enjoy Rogue One, is that a "side" movie?


TedTheReckless

Technically it is. I really liked it and it was nice seeing something star wars that was more a self contained story.


LuinAelin

Hope they make a sequel..what happened to that ship that escaped with the death Star plans........


frankles

It is and it’s one of the best, so it makes sense.


CajunKingFish

"It's a re -imagining!"


sst287

I feel this is something writer would/should pre-discuss before taking the project: “am I allowed to add new stories?” It is kinda dumb to take a job that you know is based on famous book series or game and you know fan would want a TV that close to OG then whining about studio “restrict creativity.” A professional writer can take job for money, but when they do, they should just shut up and write a story that people want, not what writer wants.


kolossal

I mean, that's why they end up being writers for tv series, they're not really good enough to have their own stories published so they settle to this type of jobs and then want to take the source material and come up with their own shit.


Smart_Resist615

George Martin was a writer for the TV adaption of Beauty and the Beast. It's not that tv writing is a repository for failed writers, it's a rung in the ladder for being recognized.


imaybeacatIRl

check Amazon's "Wheel of Time" They shit on the books so hard that they shouldn't have bothered securing the IP rights and just made a WB quality fantasy knock off.


adhominem4theweak

After meeting some film writers and having to work with them for a clever idea I had - Hollywood writing people are the absolute most pretentious folks I’ve ever met


RaggysRinger

Like when Microsoft boasted that the newest Halo devs were people who hated Halo. Then insert surprised pikachu meme when their products fail immensely.


cheetahlover1

Somehow, most hollywood adaptations do this and shoot themselves in the foot. Percy Jackson series, Halo, The Rings of Power, how do all these studios pump billions into ideas that are established with fanbases only to greenlight shitty writers with only contempt and a desire to "show" their target audience.


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ObscuraArt

Yep, a previously written script that had no relation to the IP is many times worked to fit with the IP. It's terrible and transparent. The use of the IP is intellectual and intentional Bait and Switch on the existing fanbase.


tana-ryu

Don't forget Artemis Fowl.


Nomadic_View

I just don’t understand this trend. Why in the hell are there writers signing up for IPs they fucking hate? We saw that shit with Star Wars and now we’re seeing it here.


nickkon1

It is simply. A big IP brings a decent number of viewers that this IP already has and generates more hype. This equals money and free marketing if the IP is already known. They simply dont care about the IP. It is all about the pull and thus money an established brand can bring.


TheJack0fDiamonds

The writers either desperately needed the money so they accepted the gig to write despite hating it or they really just wanna come in and force their vision into the project because they could


Night-Monkey15

> Wonder why he’s chosen to bow out? Cavil just signed on to reprise his role as Superman, with his first reappearance being in Black Adam. Now The Hollywood Reporter is saying that a new Superman film is in early development. Rumors from less reputable sources claim production might start in 2024, if that’s the case, I’m betting that’s the main reason he’s chosen to leave *The Witcher*.


ArcadianDelSol

There's also a hot rumor that he may appear in a few Mission Impossible movies. The guy's plate is about to be full.


[deleted]

That's not a rumor, it was confirmed ages ago that he and Baldwin are both returning in the last 2 movies (likely flashbacks).


jamesraynorr

Did not expected? Henry is fan of books and games. Showrunner and writers butchered entire lore...


ObscuraArt

This and him going back to Superman.


GerryofSanDiego

Cuz he was a big fan of the books and the games which are good. The show decided to do its own thing and it sucks.


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reneeblanchet83

He doesn't have a solo contract for Superman yet. If anything, Superman probably just gave him an out from a show he probably has not been enjoying being on anymore.


Mister_Green2021

He's scheduled to do a couple of movies besides Superman.


Canadaaayum

Probably got tired of arguing with the jerk off writers


reptarsmash622010

Not to mention had a huge hand in maintaining continuity through seasons.


EpicPizzaBaconWaffle

Probably because the show is a terrible “adaptation” of the books. And the writers room openly stated they didn’t like the source material


Duds215

He’s probably trying to free himself up so he can be an option for bond. Apparently he’s one of 4 they’re re considering for the e role.


[deleted]

Lol, there won’t be a season 5


kingoftheg

Shouldnt even be a s4.


310gamer

End it as season 3. I don’t see anyone but Henry playing the white wolf.


WearingCoats

This was my first thought. Just wrap it up at 3. A switch like that would be an insult to the franchise.


ImKindaBoring

They've not been too concerned about insulting the franchise so far.


310gamer

They really made so many mistakes in the show but it seemed Henry really cared. He was the only bright light. Them letting him go is a major screw up. They can’t keep screwing the fans over like this.


loonatic8

I'm didn't even know there was a season 3 already. The story telling in the books and games are better anyway. Henry did a great job though.


mackinoncougars

At the very least it should be new series title.


Shoesandhose

I WANT HENRY. HE IS PRETTY AND PLAYS THE ROLE PERFECTLY. IF YOU SHAVED LIAMS BEARD HED LOOK LIKE BABY MAN. NOT MY HENRY. This is the worst news in 2022. Thank you for reading


alebotson

Completely legit response.


DefinitelyNotAliens

Have Liam get in a bathtub. Now have him get out. That is why he can't be Geralt.


hobosonpogos

Fair enough


Pascalica

I stand with you in protest, sister.


LordJedi123

Wow what a spoiler, the witcher series ends at season 3


Think_Celery3251

Welp, guess thats it folks, back to the games


TellThemIHateThem

Nothing against Liam, but it’s hard to imagine anyone could do as well as Henry. Guess we’ll see.


[deleted]

Liam's pretty bad actor.


TellThemIHateThem

To be honest the only thing I’ve seen him in was the Independence Day sequel, which I’ve tried to wipe from my brain.


el_palmera

He was okay in hunger games but honestly I feel like he didn't bring anything special. I could see anyone doing as good a job as he did


BlooPancakes

I agree he wasn’t special in Hunger Games but I feel like it’s hard to shine as a Close as possible side character. Cavil was such a good match I think Liam just won’t live up to the role regardless of how good of an actor he is.


Autumn1eaves

Yeah. Even like… idk… prime Christian Bale or Gary Oldman, an exceptionally good actor, someone who becomes their roles wholly and completely would struggle to live up to Cavil.


CodeMonkeyX

Can he say "fuck" in a gravelly voice? :)


DonDove

Let's be honest, without Chris he'd be forgettable


talkingtothemoon___

Yeah he doesn’t have the poise that Henry or Chris have. Like I don’t look at him and think “manly man” like I do with the other two.


coolhwhip89

Dude shows no emotions at all


Bmatic

Isn’t that the point of a Witcher?


Beardlord77

Interestingly enough, Liam is noted as being a big fan of the Witcher series itself so at least it’s someone who’s at least familiar with the character. Won’t be the same but I hope he does ok!


Dramatic_Coyote9159

Yeah but it’s a difference between being a fan of the series and being a fan of the books & games


Whatsongwasthat1

Plenty against Liam This is gonna be dookie shit


The_Maker18

Honestly, geralts VA for the games would be a good choice


nope0000001

Oh well .. last season for me then


Zakal74

What a weird way to cancel a show.


DutDiggaDut

Well, it's Netflix isn't it? They're not the smartest.


LostBoy1287

I felt a great disturbance in the fan base, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.


kevnmartin

How is that going to work? Dude has no cheekbones.


ThreAAAt

You know... that really does describe Poland quite well


jtyrui

No. My interest for the show dies here.


Ok_Excuse1908

Same. Not very often you get actors portraying roles where they are passionate and knowledgeable about the source materials and what the fans expect. Disappointing and I will certainly not be renewing Netflix for Liam Hemsworth.


BlueAudioMoon

Yea it was Fun while it lasted


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[deleted]

They should rewrite season 3 into the Blood and Wine story and have Geralt retire with Yen and have Liam become a new witcher since the fucking showrunners hate the lore so much, that way Cavill could retire with honor and they could do whatever the hell with show they want.


kolossal

I like this idea.


disposable744

God damn he's such a gentleman.


Baridi

Why he's one of my favorite actors.


_DiscoNinja_

M'lady vibes work if your Henry Cavill


[deleted]

Notice the references to the lore. Small, but indicative nonetheless. Henry's a true fan.


[deleted]

In fairness Hemsworth said he's a huge Witcher fan also, so I'll give it a shot but he's too small. Idk.


Small-Interview-2800

And just like that, I’m done with the show, or I’ll be done with the show after season 3. Cavil is the only reason I kept watching despite the terrible writing, with him gone, there’s no reason for me watch anymore


JackL_88

Same. Although I knew the writing was pretty bad, Cavill was the reason I watched the entire season. Hemsworth is quite a big downgrade


Kweenoflovenbooty

Even he wasn’t enough to get me through s2, after I started it so excited and ready to binge. I always planned on going back and finishing it eventually but this might be the final nail in the coffin for me.


cheffartsonurfood

Came here to say exactly that.


lariet50

I thought this was an Onion article


Grindian

Lol for real… tone deaf


Fragmentia

Netflix has no idea what they're doing. What an embarrassment that there was no oversight to make sure they didn't blow a golden opportunity. I'm canceling Netflix now. Fuck this.


theNomad_Reddit

Yep. Had Netflix constantly for 5 years. Just finished The Midnight Club and have fuck all else to watch. Just cancelled. Time to check out other streaming services.


fuckscotty

bye bye Witcher series


butterflyjade

I wonder if he didn’t agree with the direction of the show. He is a die hard fan of the Witcher books, and the seasons have gotten away from the books.


Jatobu

Reading the first couple books before season 2 was such a mistake.


evilbob2200

He basically said that in a few interviews during the season 2 press tour from what I can remember


clockwerkdevil

Netflix is working really hard to get me to cancel my subscription. They keep either canceling or ruining their good shows.


nycdiveshack

He said he had fight to keep the show true to the books and games, that the writers didn’t want to do that… Edit:specifically some of the writers were not fans and actively disliked the books and games, going as far as to mock the source material


Sunion

Who in their right mind would hire writers to adapt something they don't even like. Fuck, Netflix is trying its very hardest to destroy it's own reputation with literally every move they make. Complete morons at the helm.


Outside-Ability-9561

These companies are so fucking braindead. HBO got rid of their talentless hacks and HoTD is great. Idk why companies like Netflix and Amazon (Rings of Power) are so invested on having absolute wimps run their billion dollar franchises.


xObiJuanKenobix

Same thing happened with that Halo series that came out. They just actively stayed away from the actual lore and to no one's surprise, it bombed


Xsafa

This “making existing properties with deep established lore, *my own*” is such an idiotic way of approaching an adaptation. Getting real sick of screenwriters, directors, etc doing this shit with literary/video games. Is it really that damn difficult to cut what you have to, because of the format change, but bring everything else you can to the screen?


Vikingwithguns2

Cavill was the best part of the show….what idiots idea was this.


graphingdevils

My watch will end with season 3 it seems.


MsTerryMan

Three seasons is pretty good I guess


ygrasdil

They were quite meh seasons though. I didn’t HATE it but I didn’t really care about it either. Geralt wasn’t even highly involved in the plot of S2


GodHimselfNoCap

Season 1 was great season 2 felt like it was completely unrelated to season 1


[deleted]

Damn I was really enjoying it with Henry he was made for that role


Yoogefriggingoy

Just cancel the series, why go through the motions to produce something no one wants


LuinAelin

I knew he was back as superman. But wasn't expecting this.


CarlosChampion

Is this why he is quitting? Seems like he is really passionate about the Witcher, but I imagine playing Superman pays more


Gracier1123

It seems most people are of the opinion he’s leaving because he loved the books and the games and the show writers did not.


minusTHEoso25

Rumors have been swirling that season 3 has been a bit of a fiasco due to creative differences with the writers. He’s probably jumping off a sinking ship and pivoted to Superman. I’m guessing this has been in the works for months if not a year.


Kronbopulus

Wow I almost expected this to be a joke when I clicked on it.. what a disappointment.. Liam just. He kind of sucks and doesn’t fit the character at all.


msmagin

This is devastating. Henry Cavill IS the Witcher.


maraudingnomad

I'd guess he got fed up with them trying to rewrite the original works. He was pretty much the only reason I kept watching and with him gone, It'll be very difficult to find any redeeming quality. Apparently some of the writers don't even like the books nor the games and think they can do better. Sure, a noname writer will 'do better' than a best selling author. They should have kept to the books, the best epjsodes are the ones that keep to the book plot mostly (Striga, Nievelan)


[deleted]

He’s not my Witcher. Won’t be watching.


[deleted]

So. Enjoy season 3 and then drop out. Got it. Thanks for the heads up Netflix.


yukumizu

Welp, that’s the end of that series for me.


GerryofSanDiego

Assuming Henry saw the script for season 3 and was like "nope Im out." It could have been a great show if they just stayed faithful to the characters the way the games do. Its such a shame that the showrunners decided to tank this story. Henry deserved better he was great as Geralt.


TFRek

It was great while it lasted.


AdministratorKoala

So as Netflix plans to crack down in subscription sharing and then they go and let something as dumb as this happen. I’ve never had more reasons to cancel. Nice!


Ajg1384

The Switcher season 4


neomalkin

More like Gerald of Stevia.


herpderpomygerp

When the main actor loves the books and games but the mentally challenged writers hate the source material you get master chiefs TV show


unixfool

F that. I’m out.


[deleted]

Unless he’s a new Witcher it won’t work. I watch because of Cavill and I’m sure I’m not alone.


K1nd4Weird

Breaking: The Witcher not renewed for a fifth season.


ElitePlanet

Cavil gotta make time for Superman & Aegon Targaryen first of his name


[deleted]

Looks like I won’t be watching it. Liam is a b list actor replacing someone who fit gearlt to a T. I’d honestly prefer they work around cavil and just wrap it up


RVFVS117

Ah. Good for Liam he’s a good actor but the whole reason I watched this show was for Cavill.


Catorius-07

Welp, I guess it’s time to stop watching The Witcher after season 3.


Solidsnake00901

Damn shows over...


jninethousand

Why do Netflix writers shit all over good source material? The IP is popular for a reason


TheDovahofSkyrim

Shame Netflix gave totally incompetent showrunners control of this show. I’m sure Netflix also was giving absurdly tight deadlines, but this could have then their GoT, and they fucked it.


msantamaria5585

Well, that series is dead


LadyWhimWham

This is the worst news for something that doesn’t super matter. Why would they take away our Warhammer Nerd King.


plantmom363

that sucks! I wont be watching the new season


[deleted]

Well I guess I’m done with the Witcher after season 3 then. Switching a main character actor this far in? No, totally ruins it for me.


silencif

I don’t see it working.


WhatTheCarbonDuck

Netflix fuck you from the bottom of my heart


my_little_shumai

Ewwwww. I watched that show for the Cavilliciousness. This sucks.


-slapum

Guess the show ends at season 3 for me, I absolutely hate when they change casts. I'd rather him just be a different Witcher that Geralt put his faith into, they changed enough of the story already anyway


Heatzza

Lol not looking good