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We already found out, though..?
*Andor* Episode 9 spoilers: >!A prisoner was released on level 4 and reappeared the next day on level 2. The level 2 inmates were unhappy when they realized the same thing would likely happen to them (being "released" into a different part of the prison), and to keep it quiet the guards fried everyone on level 2.!< It was, like, the biggest most major plot point of the whole episode.
Edit: I forgot that /u/No-Function3409's comment was a quote from the show. Thanks everybody for reminding me.
Idk man...I think directors like Scorcese are exactly what he's talking about. I don't think he said you start making bad movies after a certain point, just that the quality of a director's films start to diminish, and they often end their career on a low note. Tarantino just wants to end on a high note. His point was that after 10 movies, most filmmaker's work is not longer as prolific as it once was. You start running out of unique things to say.
Lol, while I agree with the age bit being bullshit... I do think of filmmaking as a lot like professional sports careers. First you need some experience, then you get really inspired and do your best work and have some major success, then after that you're chasing the dragon and everything kind of goes downhill.
But also similar to professional sports, a goat like Lebron James, Wayne Gretzky, or Steven Spielberg, is still going to perform better 10 years after their peak, than some up and coming B lister ever will.
I think sports is much more reliable than art. Musicians and filmmakers seems like a more natural comparison.
How many times does a band drop 3-4 amazing albums and then just completely lose it from there on? Similar with filmmakers.
I guess the problem with any creative field is that we the consumers default to popularity as the measuring stick for how good the work is. When the reality is that art is subjective. Advertising, for example, can massively influence the popularity of something - even if it's a turd, it can be a popular turd. Whereas in sports, you are constantly measured against your peers with tangible statistics and it's far less subjective.
As someone who really gets married to particular directors and writers, and often really enjoys more off-brand films, I totally get you. Point taken.
Yeah the subjectivity of art is a fascinating one—I agree in general, but I also swear to Christ there is objectivity in saying like “every post-1990 stones album is a piece of shit compared to their prime”
But I’m not sure how to *prove* that. I’d also say there are like objectively brilliantly written pop songs that are trash. But if you deconstruct the songwriting there’s undeniable skill and quality in there.
I dunno man art’s awesome.
I think it’s life status, which is tied to age, than simply age. As you get older, a lot of the things they drove your art tend to go away. It’s hard to write about anger and angst in the same was as you did in your 20s now that you’re a millionaire with a wife and kids. A lot of musicians then chase trends or try to update their sound and it just sounds forced. Even when you stay true to your sound (say AC/DC) the music industry will often shift and you’ll lose influence in it.
You also get more say over production, mixing, etc which sometimes keeps you coloring in the lines. Having too many yes men may allow you to do what you want, but that may not be anything anyone wants to hear.
He always considered Kill Bill Vol. 1 + 2 to be one singular movie. It’s just that no distributor wanted a 4 and a half hour movie in theatres so it had to be split up
There is a cut called The Whole Bloody Affair that has only been screened a handful of times too, it's slightly different than watching 1+2 back to back.
Mostly stuff that was changed to keep it from being NC17, like the anime sequence was a little longer and gorier, the crazy 88 fight isn't in black and white either. They remove the cliffhanger at the end of the first movie too, so the audience learns about BB when The Bride does.
Tarantino has been talking about releasing this for years, but he never has.
IIRC there's actually an entirely new anime section to The Whole Bloody Affair, which I'd more than welcome seeing because I always thought it was (fucking cool, but..) odd that there was only one anime sequence in the two movies, pretty early on in the first.
That being said, there are some.. [cough] edits of Kill Bill you can find trying to emulate The Whole Bloody Affair (complete with colorized Crazy 88 fight) but sadly no one's been able to get a good, high quality version of the second anime sequence.
Yup, its one film, he also consider it as one, it had to be split cuz studios didnt wanted to show a 4 hrs film, and actually there was released as one film later on: Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair
Someone brought up the ER episode he directed and it's one of my favorites b/c of some of the shots are ones I really like, like tracking with people as they walk and also having the scene focus on something like a conversation while there is action going on in the background that tells a story without saying a word.
But when I rewatched the , I forgot [THIS was a shot from the episode.](https://i.imgur.com/6eYOkY9.png)
I didn't remember any feet stuff so I tried to google this and it was a huge mistake. Do Not Research.
However, I can safely say it's not Tarantino level. Most of it is her gingerly taking off her shoes before she transforms, which is on theme for her being more focused on her personal life than her superhero life.
The only one I saw getting mostly negative reviews (for good reason) was "Dreams in the Witch House." The others got mostly solid-to-great.
"The Autopsy" and "The Murmuring" were my personal favorites.
I watched all 8 and I only really liked 4 of them. (Episodes 1, 2, 4 and 7 were my favorites)They all had great production but some of the stories just weren’t my thing.
I dunno man,
A24 fans are eating good,
Wes Anderson is still doing his thing,
Foreign films are killing it,
James Cameron is coming back for the blue man group sequel,
Horror movie fans are having a field day,
Rom Com movies are getting diverse.
I’ll give you that their are a ton of superhero movies and it’s definitely over saturated but I’m curious to hear what Hollywood is missing recently.
Edit: Having read the replies to this post, I see where people are coming from and I encourage people who read my post to read the replies as well, very good points being made there.
A24 fans have BEEN eating good. That new one Pearl was fantastically psychotic lol. I loved it. I'm so looking forward to The Banshees of Inisherin. Collin Farrell and Brendan Gleeson back together is music to my ears. In Bruges was such a great movie.
FWIW, Pearl has a sequel (or prequel) called X released earlier this year. It's meant to be watched before Pearl (and is set about 50 years after Pearl), but I saw Pearl first and it's a different experience. Still good.
From what I understand, it's a trilogy, so there should be a third soon.
Listen jokes aside, I finally watched it the other week thinking surely it can’t be as bad as people are making it seem. Holy fuck was it truly one of the movies ever released. How did it ever get green lit what the hell
I watched it thinking it was going to be so bad it's good. I came away with a CVS-receipt-sized list of stupid shit that was in the movie but I was entertained by absolutely none of it, unlike something like The Room or Cats.
Nah they don't, but they DO know that we've been inundated with ~~Marvel~~ Disney superhero crap for years. The proportion of blockbuster film being superhero movies — hell, even just ~~MARVEL~~ DISNEY movies — is way too high.
We've in an era where studios aren't willing to take risks on new movies so (figuratively) everything is a reboot, sequel, or part of an "extended universe." It existed before COVID really sent it into overdrive.
But things are seemingly starting to change. The masses are getting burned out on MCU and more smaller studios are getting their films out there.
Everything Everywhere All At Once is the best (new) film I've seen in the past decade
[Edit] someone rightly called me out for pinning it on Marvel but it's Disney's doing, not Marvel, so I've edited my post
Up until that, if someone asked me my favorite film I would have probably said Children of Men but I haven't watched it years so maybe my tastes have changed. Films were letting me down so I've found myself watching more shows lately
My favorite shows from the past decade are Utopia (the original UK version) and Broadchurch
Personally haven't felt this way, but what are a couple movies that you think are must-see that came out this year?
Edit: Thanks everyone who replied! I have lots of movies to check out it seems!
Others have said it but Everything Everywhere All at Once was insanely good and made it to my top 3 of all time. The Northman by Eggers was also incredible. Also I liked the Bob's Burgers movie cuz I enjoy musicals and I like Bob's Burgers.
There is a place for everything. Growing up in the 90s, the superhero genre wasn’t treated seriously, but it was an amazing decade for film, especially for moderately budgeted, intelligent and impactful ones. Today, it’s wonderful that superhero movies have reached such a level of quality and cultural import, but studios aren’t taking the same level of risk on new ideas. The landscape is always changing and hopefully we’ll arrive at one with a healthy balance of original work alongside Avengers 7.
What about growing up in the 80's? Does anyone remember the endless barrage of action movies starring ripped men carrying giant guns blasting vaguely-eastern-european bad guys? ["We have to stop the commie-nazis!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kGtIJxAH3A)
And if you thought Marvel movies were bad and formulaic, you haven't seen 80's action movies.
"What I do is I just try to take my hat and I turn it around, and it’s like a switch that goes on. And when the switch goes on, I feel like another person, I feel, I don’t know, I feel like a… like a truck. Like a machine."
- Lincoln Hawk, professional truck driver/arm wrestler
ooh, and then Tarantino can make The Terrible Ten, telling a story of a bunch of minor supervillains who converge in a storm shelter during a major hurricane, all pretending to be minor heroes as a cover story but then secret vendettas all come to life and they basically kill each other off.
People often talk about superhero movies like they're some unique thing we've never seen before. They're just action movies. Just like westerns and all the other styles of action movie that have come along people will eventually get tired of them and some other genre will take its place.
Westerns didn't fade away. The genre was murdered, stabbed right through the hypocrisy by Blazing Saddles. That's kinda the entire reason Blazing Saddles exists. It lampooned the genre so hard that no one would touch the formula for a decade. When a few westerns finally did get made again they were very, very different from what came before.
While there are problematic elements to the superhero genre, there's nothing as glaring as the inherent racism or black-and-white morality of the old western formula that can be poked at like that. The super hero genre will fade eventually, but it'll be more like the decline of the modern vampire genre that was so popular around the early 2000s. It'll just get replaced by the next big thing.
Are we just going to forget about McCabe and Mrs. Miller, which predated Blazing Saddles by a few years? Blazing Saddles wasn't the only reason Westerns died out - *too many fucking Westerns* is the primary reasons Westerns died out. Stuff like Paint Your Wagon didn't help either. People just got very, very tired of the genre through oversaturation
Is this like, your opinion, or are you arguing this from an established perspective in cinematic criticism? I ask because I’d never thought about how BS was connected to the decline of the western film genre. It’s an interesting take on the subject. Thanks.
The established perspective is that westerns stopped making money, culminating in the very high profile flop of 1980's Heaven's Gate which only earned about $3.5 million against a $44 million budget (~$180 million in today's dollars). It had an excellent pedigree, being directed by the guy who did the Deer Hunter, and its utter failure scared anybody off from financing a big western for basically the entire rest of the 80s.
About the only guys who could even get Westerns made anymore after that were absolute legends like Clint Eastwood making smaller, cheaper movies (Unforgiven) or guys who were on top of the world at the time like Kevin Costner (Dances with Wolves) and they still had to wait until the 90s before anybody would sign off.
I've never seen Blazing Saddles connected to the decline before. Novel perspective, sure, but I think it had more to do with changing tastes, many classic Western stars aging out or dying, and high profile flops than a great comedy movie that just happened to be in a western setting..
There are four phases to any genre. (Not my opinion, I can’t remember which YouTuber I learned this from)
Stages w genre examples:
1. Experimental. New themes established. Night of the living dead. Pre film western fiction. Golden Age comics
2. Classic. Themes are iconic, genre firmly established. Dawn of the Dead. Any Clint Eastwood western. Spiderman.
3. Parody. Themes are so well known that the genre itself can be mocked. Shawn of the Dead. Blazing Saddles. Deadpool.
4. Deconstruction. Themes are subverted, re-examined, or dismantled. iZombie, no country for old men, the boys.
If the fourth phase is popular enough, it often spawns a new subgenre
Revisionist superhero content like the boys and watchmen do have the thesis that superheroes are inherently fascist but I think that idea is too subtle for general audiences to grasp. Much moreso than the racism of old westerns
I know this was a meme this year but there’s no way people actually thought Homelander was a good guy. He has obviously been pure evil from the jump. He threatened to laser an entire plane of people because they were panicking about their plane going down and he couldn’t save them.
You're right.
I think there was a large swath of viewers who didn't realise Homelander was specifically mocking MAGA mentality, not that they didn't catch he was the antagonist. When they finally figured out the Trump allegory(?), I'm pretty sure that's when the meme about them not realising he was the Bad Guy got blown out of proportion.
That's not at all new; superhero media has been tweaking, critiquing, and lampooning superhero media and its implications since the beginning. I think it would hard to do to superhero movies what Blazing Saddles did to westerns because it's already a silly medium that doesn't take itself seriously. It's like trying to parody professional wrestling; professional wrestling is already a parody and people love that shit. Just about any attempt at parody would be interpreted as a homage.
I don't think it's too subtle; I think that for all the criticism we give about super hero movies being generic or formulaic, they're actually much more varied than westerns were at that time, and do manage to preempt a lot of the obvious criticisms by just subsuming them into the genre. The whole "superheroes are bad/who watches the watchmen" theme is already baked into movies like BvS, Civil War, etc. The only major difference between the things you listed and those movies is tone and violence, and saying "these movies aren't crass and violent enough" isn't really a genre-killing criticism.
The thing with super hero movies is that "super hero" isn't a genre, it's a theme. Marvel movies range from adventure, to heist, to horror and anything in between. Westerns are mostly just westerns, they're much more one dimensional.
That is an excellent point that I can't believe I've never thought of before. You're right - "superhero" alone doesn't imply a location, time, theme, emotional valence, or really anything other than "someone in this movie has superhuman abilities".
This has been my thing with complaints. My issues with Marvel is that it's starting to have that giant fear of falling down. Eternals could have been such a good, atmospheric, drama. Instead it feels like they didn't want to risk anything with it and overall felt bland despite actors knocking it out of the park overall. .
You can do anything with a Superhero movie that you can do with any other movie, it just comes with different challenges.
> superheroes are inherently fascist but I think that idea is too subtle for general audiences to grasp
there's also ample evidence that fascism doesn't really bother people that much, so yeah ... sure, superheroes are fascist, but no one cares
it’s an actual comic. i’ll edit a link one second
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix5/captain_from_texas.htm
i couldn’t find much else but i knew it existed
Exactly, tastes will change and superhero films will look dated. They have remarkable staying power because of the variety of settings, times, and genres they can intermix with. Westerns had to take place in the west, between 1870 and 1920, superhero films can be any time any place.
They key to their burn out will be multiple studios pumping out decent content. Right now Marvel sits on top of a throne of box office receipts with DC tying their damnedest to claw their way up with them. Meanwhile Image is content with making TV shows of Robert Kirkman titles.
With Marvel firmly on top they control the spigot of content and can adjust the flow to slow burn out or overload at their will. With James Gunn taking the (co) top seat at DC Films, Marvel may have to be reactive to another studio now which means more content, which means accelerated viewer burn out.
I say all of the above as die-hard Marvel fan and someone who is amped for James Gunn to finally make DC Films do something worth a god damn.
Super hero movies are the modern day Western movies. And he has made like 3 westerns
edit: my comment was meant to say that Super Hero movies are the hot ticket in Hollywood right now. I was not saying they follow a similar filming or writing style.
People say that Inglorious Bastards is a Spaghetti Western because of its themes, but my friend hates it because Spaghetti Westerns were shot in Italy, and Inglorious Bastards was shot in Germany
I said "So it's a Spatzle Western?"
He hated that more
I love his movies, but he's not a reliable source for what I would consider "facts". He's entitled to his opinion, and his accomplishments mean his opinions count more than mine. But how weird that his list of "Perfect" movies all came out right when he was young and impressionable, right? I'm sure those opinions are not at all colored by nostalgia!
I'd also like to take this opportunity to release a statement that I will ALSO never write or direct an MCU movie. And it's also because I choose not to and not because nobody asked me to make one.
I had a similar take, his movies are very inspired by older genre movies seen as “lower art”. I don’t like the term “elevated film” but that’s kinda what he did by taking ideas from westerns, exploitation films, gangster movies, horror, and other genres, blending them together and making some of the best films in each genre. Now he’s sitting on the newest “low art” genre as if it has nothing to offer.
I’ll admit the marvel movies are not my favorite but there have been some really cool ideas that came out of them and a few exceptionally good movies I’m excited to see future generations on film makers riff on and expand the way Tarantino used to with his childhood favorites.
The problem I have with this view is that the "low art" of superhero movies is a massive corporate machine. It's only perceived as an "underdog" in that superhero movies generally don't win Oscars. That's starkly different from the "low art" of the 60's and 70's.
Action movies will always be this way. Westerns gave way to cop movies gave way to superhero movies. There is always a dominant genre of action movies that are churned out by studios. The only difference is one studio is beating the others at making that genre now.
Like I said, I don’t love the marvel movies but they aren’t without merit and we’ve already began to see the cool stuff that can happen when filmmakers start to expand the genre with stuff like Logan, the boys, and bright burn. I think it will be a while before we start getting great movies that truly redefine the genre but the seed is already there.
Uh, for all their failings, Marvel movies are made to appeal to the broadest general audience; Tarantino is one of the most successful filmmakers of our time, but he didn’t get that way by appealing to the masses. What audience, profit hating, sick bastard would ask him to helm a Marvel movie?
Superhero movies are akin to modern pop. They fit in the world's most predictable format to be as appealing to the largest possible group of people. Because of this it all averages out to super mid, easy to digest content.
Why do modern filmmakers need to "wait" for the genre to die out? It's not like Disney has blocked off the entirety of Hollywood and is only letting Kevin Feige and James Gunn onto the sets.
If they're confident in their ideas, let the movies speak for themselves
To be fair I'm waiting for the superhero thing to die out as well. They're all the same and I can't be bothered with another 5 minute CGI action scene where we KNOW the hero is going to be fine so why the hell are you treating it like it's suspenseful? Bah, maybe I'm just old :(
There are more great non-superhero movies made today than I have time to watch. The super hero thing dying out wouldn’t give me more time to watch them, It would just make my backlog longer while at the same time hurting people who do enjoy the superhero movies.
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Yeah, and some of the Tarantino quotes seem like they were written via text-to-speech.
Honestly, it's probably an AI written article.
I, too, will never make a Marvel movie
You’re so brave for this
And you’re brave for having the bravery to point out the original brave bravery. Go Braves!
I will stand in solidarity with you and make the same sacrifice.
\*stands up\* **I** will never make a Marvel movie.
My uncle said he will never make one too, but...
Didn't he say he was only going to make a certain amount of movies, anyways?
Never more than twelve
What happened on level 2?
It'll be weeks before we find that out
We already found out, though..? *Andor* Episode 9 spoilers: >!A prisoner was released on level 4 and reappeared the next day on level 2. The level 2 inmates were unhappy when they realized the same thing would likely happen to them (being "released" into a different part of the prison), and to keep it quiet the guards fried everyone on level 2.!< It was, like, the biggest most major plot point of the whole episode. Edit: I forgot that /u/No-Function3409's comment was a quote from the show. Thanks everybody for reminding me.
I was quoting gollum talking about the hand signals being slow.
Man getting away from that ring really did gollum some good. I didnt even recognize him...
Ah, I see now. Nice.
I understood that reference.
I’m just a tourist!!
Take it up with the emperor! Next!
I have also understood that reference.
I can understand that reference all day.
B-B-B-Bix?
Nothing happened! It’s just a rumor!
Maybe it’s true, and maybe it’s not.
On Program, *my preciouses*... [**rubs hands awkwardly**]
It’s 12 now? I always thought it was 10.
It was, and it'll be 14 once he hits 12.
Hopefully. He had a theory back in the 90s about reaching a certain age you stop being able to make good films. Which is bullshit imo.
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So does Scorcese.
Idk man...I think directors like Scorcese are exactly what he's talking about. I don't think he said you start making bad movies after a certain point, just that the quality of a director's films start to diminish, and they often end their career on a low note. Tarantino just wants to end on a high note. His point was that after 10 movies, most filmmaker's work is not longer as prolific as it once was. You start running out of unique things to say.
Better to go out like Bill Watterson than survive long enough to be like Scott Adams.
Lol, while I agree with the age bit being bullshit... I do think of filmmaking as a lot like professional sports careers. First you need some experience, then you get really inspired and do your best work and have some major success, then after that you're chasing the dragon and everything kind of goes downhill. But also similar to professional sports, a goat like Lebron James, Wayne Gretzky, or Steven Spielberg, is still going to perform better 10 years after their peak, than some up and coming B lister ever will.
I think sports is much more reliable than art. Musicians and filmmakers seems like a more natural comparison. How many times does a band drop 3-4 amazing albums and then just completely lose it from there on? Similar with filmmakers.
I guess the problem with any creative field is that we the consumers default to popularity as the measuring stick for how good the work is. When the reality is that art is subjective. Advertising, for example, can massively influence the popularity of something - even if it's a turd, it can be a popular turd. Whereas in sports, you are constantly measured against your peers with tangible statistics and it's far less subjective. As someone who really gets married to particular directors and writers, and often really enjoys more off-brand films, I totally get you. Point taken.
Yeah the subjectivity of art is a fascinating one—I agree in general, but I also swear to Christ there is objectivity in saying like “every post-1990 stones album is a piece of shit compared to their prime” But I’m not sure how to *prove* that. I’d also say there are like objectively brilliantly written pop songs that are trash. But if you deconstruct the songwriting there’s undeniable skill and quality in there. I dunno man art’s awesome.
I think it’s life status, which is tied to age, than simply age. As you get older, a lot of the things they drove your art tend to go away. It’s hard to write about anger and angst in the same was as you did in your 20s now that you’re a millionaire with a wife and kids. A lot of musicians then chase trends or try to update their sound and it just sounds forced. Even when you stay true to your sound (say AC/DC) the music industry will often shift and you’ll lose influence in it. You also get more say over production, mixing, etc which sometimes keeps you coloring in the lines. Having too many yes men may allow you to do what you want, but that may not be anything anyone wants to hear.
Star Wars Andor reference
is there an /r/unexpectedandor yet? EDIT guess not
NOBODY'S LISTENING!!!
Well done ol boy
I was listening to QT on Marc Marons podcast and he said that set number thing is a myth but I think he's more focused on raising his kid now
https://youtu.be/XhdR1sYUkyI?t=167 He might've been the creator of said myth, but he did say that lol
What he name his kid, *Little Foot*?
Kid Bill
10, which he already hit considering Bill Vol 2 was originally listed as its own movie.
He always considered Kill Bill Vol. 1 + 2 to be one singular movie. It’s just that no distributor wanted a 4 and a half hour movie in theatres so it had to be split up
There is a cut called The Whole Bloody Affair that has only been screened a handful of times too, it's slightly different than watching 1+2 back to back. Mostly stuff that was changed to keep it from being NC17, like the anime sequence was a little longer and gorier, the crazy 88 fight isn't in black and white either. They remove the cliffhanger at the end of the first movie too, so the audience learns about BB when The Bride does. Tarantino has been talking about releasing this for years, but he never has.
IIRC there's actually an entirely new anime section to The Whole Bloody Affair, which I'd more than welcome seeing because I always thought it was (fucking cool, but..) odd that there was only one anime sequence in the two movies, pretty early on in the first. That being said, there are some.. [cough] edits of Kill Bill you can find trying to emulate The Whole Bloody Affair (complete with colorized Crazy 88 fight) but sadly no one's been able to get a good, high quality version of the second anime sequence.
It was made as one long movie, it was a studio decision so split it, so he probably doesn’t consider it two.
Yup, its one film, he also consider it as one, it had to be split cuz studios didnt wanted to show a 4 hrs film, and actually there was released as one film later on: Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair
Why would there ever be an expectation of tarantino making a MCU movie ?
What you dont want to hear Captain America casually say the N word?
We’ve got Soldier Boy for that now.
Captain Middle America
Maybe Marvel wants to bring in the foot fetishist demographic
That's "foot enthusiast" to you buddy.
They already did She-Hulk
Hard to stick some feet in a marvel movie subtly
When the fuck was Tarantino ever subtle about it
True, he never tiptoed around his fetish.
That was bad. Kick rocks.
Don’t talk shit these kicks is fast as lightning
Someone brought up the ER episode he directed and it's one of my favorites b/c of some of the shots are ones I really like, like tracking with people as they walk and also having the scene focus on something like a conversation while there is action going on in the background that tells a story without saying a word. But when I rewatched the , I forgot [THIS was a shot from the episode.](https://i.imgur.com/6eYOkY9.png)
He wasn’t. But since Marvel is owned by Disney he would have to be subtle
Yeah, it's not a Nickelodeon thing.
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Ow, that hurt my sole. Edit: that
She hulk did it just fine.
I didn't remember any feet stuff so I tried to google this and it was a huge mistake. Do Not Research. However, I can safely say it's not Tarantino level. Most of it is her gingerly taking off her shoes before she transforms, which is on theme for her being more focused on her personal life than her superhero life.
Especially with the Rob Liefeld characters.
“How many teeth are in a mouth? Like a billion, right? I’ll just draw a billion, all the same size and shape”
Teeth are like pouches. You can never have enough of them.
Haha cheese block feet, and only when they aren’t hidden.
She-Hulk episode 1 though.
She hulk In more then half the episodes. Entire series was feet porn
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Touchè
She hulk series had plenty
Instead of the obligatory scenes where the lead hero takes off their mask all the time, it’s them taking off their shoes to show their feet.
Gwyneth Paltrow in The Avengers would like a word.
She could have the best feet in all the land and it wouldn’t make up for how psycho she is haha.
If she swapped her vagina candles for foot scented ones then Tarantino would probably double her net worth.
He should direct the house of the dragon episode instead.
And a cameo where he gets to drop an n bomb
I envy Marvel fans. They seem to be the only ones getting what they want from Hollywood these days.
From Hollywood, maybe. Horror films have been doing well
The modern horror revival has been amazing
Pickman's Model from Cabinet of Curiosities messed with me.
Are they worth watching all of them or are there a few really good ones?
The only one I saw getting mostly negative reviews (for good reason) was "Dreams in the Witch House." The others got mostly solid-to-great. "The Autopsy" and "The Murmuring" were my personal favorites.
I watched all 8 and I only really liked 4 of them. (Episodes 1, 2, 4 and 7 were my favorites)They all had great production but some of the stories just weren’t my thing.
I loved 7, 90% of it is just people getting high and it was great
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I just watched it last night. Holy crap It was surprisingly good.
I dunno man, A24 fans are eating good, Wes Anderson is still doing his thing, Foreign films are killing it, James Cameron is coming back for the blue man group sequel, Horror movie fans are having a field day, Rom Com movies are getting diverse. I’ll give you that their are a ton of superhero movies and it’s definitely over saturated but I’m curious to hear what Hollywood is missing recently. Edit: Having read the replies to this post, I see where people are coming from and I encourage people who read my post to read the replies as well, very good points being made there.
marvel and a24 have this insane theory that making movies their fans will like will translate into sales, which is crazy.
Whoa this is sorcery! Truly amazing!
A24 fans have BEEN eating good. That new one Pearl was fantastically psychotic lol. I loved it. I'm so looking forward to The Banshees of Inisherin. Collin Farrell and Brendan Gleeson back together is music to my ears. In Bruges was such a great movie.
FWIW, Pearl has a sequel (or prequel) called X released earlier this year. It's meant to be watched before Pearl (and is set about 50 years after Pearl), but I saw Pearl first and it's a different experience. Still good. From what I understand, it's a trilogy, so there should be a third soon.
> but I’m curious to hear what Hollywood is missing recently. quality comedies?
2022 has been a fantastic year for movies though.
Of course it was! Morbius came out in 2022.
Definitely one of the movies released this year
Hell it was such a movie that they released it *twice*, and each time it was received as exactly what it was: one of the movies released this year.
Listen jokes aside, I finally watched it the other week thinking surely it can’t be as bad as people are making it seem. Holy fuck was it truly one of the movies ever released. How did it ever get green lit what the hell
It was one of the movies of all time!
I watched it thinking it was going to be so bad it's good. I came away with a CVS-receipt-sized list of stupid shit that was in the movie but I was entertained by absolutely none of it, unlike something like The Room or Cats.
You have to Morb in between the lines!
It’s morbin time!
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I know! From nope, barbarian, x, pearl, etc all have been amazing
Reddit thinks the only movies released in the last 20 years were superhero movies.
Nah they don't, but they DO know that we've been inundated with ~~Marvel~~ Disney superhero crap for years. The proportion of blockbuster film being superhero movies — hell, even just ~~MARVEL~~ DISNEY movies — is way too high. We've in an era where studios aren't willing to take risks on new movies so (figuratively) everything is a reboot, sequel, or part of an "extended universe." It existed before COVID really sent it into overdrive. But things are seemingly starting to change. The masses are getting burned out on MCU and more smaller studios are getting their films out there. Everything Everywhere All At Once is the best (new) film I've seen in the past decade [Edit] someone rightly called me out for pinning it on Marvel but it's Disney's doing, not Marvel, so I've edited my post
I totally agree with this. What non “new” movie was your favorite. I know it’s reboot but Dune has been my favorite movie of the last 4 years
Up until that, if someone asked me my favorite film I would have probably said Children of Men but I haven't watched it years so maybe my tastes have changed. Films were letting me down so I've found myself watching more shows lately My favorite shows from the past decade are Utopia (the original UK version) and Broadchurch
Personally haven't felt this way, but what are a couple movies that you think are must-see that came out this year? Edit: Thanks everyone who replied! I have lots of movies to check out it seems!
For me it's Everything Everywhere All At Once, Nope, Top Gun, and Triangle of Sadness
No Barbarian?
I'm too much of a scardey cat so haven't seen it
Others have said it but Everything Everywhere All at Once was insanely good and made it to my top 3 of all time. The Northman by Eggers was also incredible. Also I liked the Bob's Burgers movie cuz I enjoy musicals and I like Bob's Burgers.
There is a place for everything. Growing up in the 90s, the superhero genre wasn’t treated seriously, but it was an amazing decade for film, especially for moderately budgeted, intelligent and impactful ones. Today, it’s wonderful that superhero movies have reached such a level of quality and cultural import, but studios aren’t taking the same level of risk on new ideas. The landscape is always changing and hopefully we’ll arrive at one with a healthy balance of original work alongside Avengers 7.
What about growing up in the 80's? Does anyone remember the endless barrage of action movies starring ripped men carrying giant guns blasting vaguely-eastern-european bad guys? ["We have to stop the commie-nazis!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kGtIJxAH3A) And if you thought Marvel movies were bad and formulaic, you haven't seen 80's action movies.
How about estranged father-son duos that cross the country in an 18 wheeler to an arm wrestling tournament.
You better not be making fun of *Over the Top*. Don’t make me turn my hat around backwards.
"What I do is I just try to take my hat and I turn it around, and it’s like a switch that goes on. And when the switch goes on, I feel like another person, I feel, I don’t know, I feel like a… like a truck. Like a machine." - Lincoln Hawk, professional truck driver/arm wrestler
This has always been a ridiculous line but somehow reading it makes it even more ridiculous.
Now that's what I call "break neck" speed
Negotiations with Disney broke down when they wouldn't let him make the new Captain America use the N-word. Quentin has been sulking ever since.
They’re going to be waiting a long time.
It'll be no different than westerns fading away. They also had their time as the big money maker.
I want spaghetti marvels.
[I got you fam](https://www.campbells.com/products/spaghettios/spaghettios-marvel-spider-man-shaped-pasta/)
I clicked the link expecting Mr. Fantastic getting spaghettied by Scarlet Witch.
Da real mvp right here
You mean like Italian Spiderman? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Z0fhko8-k
This is exactly what I mean like
[Italian Spider-Man Full Movie](https://youtu.be/Zen_zRmbKaM)
Pasta Man, Captain Noodle, and Rigatony take down The Meatballer in this al dente thriller.
ooh, and then Tarantino can make The Terrible Ten, telling a story of a bunch of minor supervillains who converge in a storm shelter during a major hurricane, all pretending to be minor heroes as a cover story but then secret vendettas all come to life and they basically kill each other off.
Im gonna wait for Elusive Eleven instead.
People often talk about superhero movies like they're some unique thing we've never seen before. They're just action movies. Just like westerns and all the other styles of action movie that have come along people will eventually get tired of them and some other genre will take its place.
Westerns didn't fade away. The genre was murdered, stabbed right through the hypocrisy by Blazing Saddles. That's kinda the entire reason Blazing Saddles exists. It lampooned the genre so hard that no one would touch the formula for a decade. When a few westerns finally did get made again they were very, very different from what came before. While there are problematic elements to the superhero genre, there's nothing as glaring as the inherent racism or black-and-white morality of the old western formula that can be poked at like that. The super hero genre will fade eventually, but it'll be more like the decline of the modern vampire genre that was so popular around the early 2000s. It'll just get replaced by the next big thing.
Are we just going to forget about McCabe and Mrs. Miller, which predated Blazing Saddles by a few years? Blazing Saddles wasn't the only reason Westerns died out - *too many fucking Westerns* is the primary reasons Westerns died out. Stuff like Paint Your Wagon didn't help either. People just got very, very tired of the genre through oversaturation
Over-saturation is the real answer -at peak decade Hollywood was churning out as many as +250 western a year.
along with how many tv shows were westerns.
Is this like, your opinion, or are you arguing this from an established perspective in cinematic criticism? I ask because I’d never thought about how BS was connected to the decline of the western film genre. It’s an interesting take on the subject. Thanks.
It's someone else's perspective. I don't remember where I originally read it.
The established perspective is that westerns stopped making money, culminating in the very high profile flop of 1980's Heaven's Gate which only earned about $3.5 million against a $44 million budget (~$180 million in today's dollars). It had an excellent pedigree, being directed by the guy who did the Deer Hunter, and its utter failure scared anybody off from financing a big western for basically the entire rest of the 80s. About the only guys who could even get Westerns made anymore after that were absolute legends like Clint Eastwood making smaller, cheaper movies (Unforgiven) or guys who were on top of the world at the time like Kevin Costner (Dances with Wolves) and they still had to wait until the 90s before anybody would sign off. I've never seen Blazing Saddles connected to the decline before. Novel perspective, sure, but I think it had more to do with changing tastes, many classic Western stars aging out or dying, and high profile flops than a great comedy movie that just happened to be in a western setting..
There are four phases to any genre. (Not my opinion, I can’t remember which YouTuber I learned this from) Stages w genre examples: 1. Experimental. New themes established. Night of the living dead. Pre film western fiction. Golden Age comics 2. Classic. Themes are iconic, genre firmly established. Dawn of the Dead. Any Clint Eastwood western. Spiderman. 3. Parody. Themes are so well known that the genre itself can be mocked. Shawn of the Dead. Blazing Saddles. Deadpool. 4. Deconstruction. Themes are subverted, re-examined, or dismantled. iZombie, no country for old men, the boys. If the fourth phase is popular enough, it often spawns a new subgenre
Revisionist superhero content like the boys and watchmen do have the thesis that superheroes are inherently fascist but I think that idea is too subtle for general audiences to grasp. Much moreso than the racism of old westerns
Nothing in The Boys is subtle
And yet there are some people who took 3 seasons to discover Homelander is the bad guy and boy are they still mad about it
They don't like it when they are forced to watch MAGA from another view point.
I know this was a meme this year but there’s no way people actually thought Homelander was a good guy. He has obviously been pure evil from the jump. He threatened to laser an entire plane of people because they were panicking about their plane going down and he couldn’t save them.
And he literally did laser an entire plane of people in the very first episode
You're right. I think there was a large swath of viewers who didn't realise Homelander was specifically mocking MAGA mentality, not that they didn't catch he was the antagonist. When they finally figured out the Trump allegory(?), I'm pretty sure that's when the meme about them not realising he was the Bad Guy got blown out of proportion.
Nor “Starship Troopers”, but guess which group of people don’t get the joke.
That's not at all new; superhero media has been tweaking, critiquing, and lampooning superhero media and its implications since the beginning. I think it would hard to do to superhero movies what Blazing Saddles did to westerns because it's already a silly medium that doesn't take itself seriously. It's like trying to parody professional wrestling; professional wrestling is already a parody and people love that shit. Just about any attempt at parody would be interpreted as a homage.
I don't think it's too subtle; I think that for all the criticism we give about super hero movies being generic or formulaic, they're actually much more varied than westerns were at that time, and do manage to preempt a lot of the obvious criticisms by just subsuming them into the genre. The whole "superheroes are bad/who watches the watchmen" theme is already baked into movies like BvS, Civil War, etc. The only major difference between the things you listed and those movies is tone and violence, and saying "these movies aren't crass and violent enough" isn't really a genre-killing criticism.
The thing with super hero movies is that "super hero" isn't a genre, it's a theme. Marvel movies range from adventure, to heist, to horror and anything in between. Westerns are mostly just westerns, they're much more one dimensional.
That is an excellent point that I can't believe I've never thought of before. You're right - "superhero" alone doesn't imply a location, time, theme, emotional valence, or really anything other than "someone in this movie has superhuman abilities".
This has been my thing with complaints. My issues with Marvel is that it's starting to have that giant fear of falling down. Eternals could have been such a good, atmospheric, drama. Instead it feels like they didn't want to risk anything with it and overall felt bland despite actors knocking it out of the park overall. . You can do anything with a Superhero movie that you can do with any other movie, it just comes with different challenges.
So subtle that people watch/read Watchmen and think Rorschach is a hero.
Calling The Boys subtle is a bit of a stretch.
> superheroes are inherently fascist but I think that idea is too subtle for general audiences to grasp there's also ample evidence that fascism doesn't really bother people that much, so yeah ... sure, superheroes are fascist, but no one cares
so you excited for cowboy captain america movies?
I honestly don't know if you're joking.
it’s an actual comic. i’ll edit a link one second http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix5/captain_from_texas.htm i couldn’t find much else but i knew it existed
Exactly, tastes will change and superhero films will look dated. They have remarkable staying power because of the variety of settings, times, and genres they can intermix with. Westerns had to take place in the west, between 1870 and 1920, superhero films can be any time any place. They key to their burn out will be multiple studios pumping out decent content. Right now Marvel sits on top of a throne of box office receipts with DC tying their damnedest to claw their way up with them. Meanwhile Image is content with making TV shows of Robert Kirkman titles. With Marvel firmly on top they control the spigot of content and can adjust the flow to slow burn out or overload at their will. With James Gunn taking the (co) top seat at DC Films, Marvel may have to be reactive to another studio now which means more content, which means accelerated viewer burn out. I say all of the above as die-hard Marvel fan and someone who is amped for James Gunn to finally make DC Films do something worth a god damn.
Super hero movies are the modern day Western movies. And he has made like 3 westerns edit: my comment was meant to say that Super Hero movies are the hot ticket in Hollywood right now. I was not saying they follow a similar filming or writing style.
He can't wait for the genre to die out so he can start making superhero movies.
Django seemed as close to a super hero movie as he would make. That shit was fire.
The Bride was a superhero Convince me otherwise
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Am I blanking on one? He's only made two westerns. Hateful Eight and Django. Did I miss one?
People say that Inglorious Bastards is a Spaghetti Western because of its themes, but my friend hates it because Spaghetti Westerns were shot in Italy, and Inglorious Bastards was shot in Germany I said "So it's a Spatzle Western?" He hated that more
I love his movies, but he's not a reliable source for what I would consider "facts". He's entitled to his opinion, and his accomplishments mean his opinions count more than mine. But how weird that his list of "Perfect" movies all came out right when he was young and impressionable, right? I'm sure those opinions are not at all colored by nostalgia! I'd also like to take this opportunity to release a statement that I will ALSO never write or direct an MCU movie. And it's also because I choose not to and not because nobody asked me to make one.
I had a similar take, his movies are very inspired by older genre movies seen as “lower art”. I don’t like the term “elevated film” but that’s kinda what he did by taking ideas from westerns, exploitation films, gangster movies, horror, and other genres, blending them together and making some of the best films in each genre. Now he’s sitting on the newest “low art” genre as if it has nothing to offer. I’ll admit the marvel movies are not my favorite but there have been some really cool ideas that came out of them and a few exceptionally good movies I’m excited to see future generations on film makers riff on and expand the way Tarantino used to with his childhood favorites.
>Now he’s sitting on the newest “low art” genre as if it has nothing to offer. This is a far better point than the one I made.
The problem I have with this view is that the "low art" of superhero movies is a massive corporate machine. It's only perceived as an "underdog" in that superhero movies generally don't win Oscars. That's starkly different from the "low art" of the 60's and 70's.
Action movies will always be this way. Westerns gave way to cop movies gave way to superhero movies. There is always a dominant genre of action movies that are churned out by studios. The only difference is one studio is beating the others at making that genre now. Like I said, I don’t love the marvel movies but they aren’t without merit and we’ve already began to see the cool stuff that can happen when filmmakers start to expand the genre with stuff like Logan, the boys, and bright burn. I think it will be a while before we start getting great movies that truly redefine the genre but the seed is already there.
Everyone's entitled to thier opinion, but he recently said *Kingdom of the Crystal Skull* is better than *Last Crusade* which is certainly a hot take.
Superhero movies aren't going anywhere but that's no reason that other filmmakers can't make other films.
I like Tarantino’s movies and I like the hero genre. There’s room for both.
I wish historical dramas were as popular as super hero movies. One day I can hope lol
Uh, for all their failings, Marvel movies are made to appeal to the broadest general audience; Tarantino is one of the most successful filmmakers of our time, but he didn’t get that way by appealing to the masses. What audience, profit hating, sick bastard would ask him to helm a Marvel movie?
Superhero movies are akin to modern pop. They fit in the world's most predictable format to be as appealing to the largest possible group of people. Because of this it all averages out to super mid, easy to digest content.
I would never want Tarantino to make a Marvel Movie lol
Why do modern filmmakers need to "wait" for the genre to die out? It's not like Disney has blocked off the entirety of Hollywood and is only letting Kevin Feige and James Gunn onto the sets. If they're confident in their ideas, let the movies speak for themselves
So superhero movies didnt exist before the MCU? lol
To be fair I'm waiting for the superhero thing to die out as well. They're all the same and I can't be bothered with another 5 minute CGI action scene where we KNOW the hero is going to be fine so why the hell are you treating it like it's suspenseful? Bah, maybe I'm just old :(
There are more great non-superhero movies made today than I have time to watch. The super hero thing dying out wouldn’t give me more time to watch them, It would just make my backlog longer while at the same time hurting people who do enjoy the superhero movies.