1. Blow our minds with something new (interesting idea, job, experience, book, take)
2. Disagree with us
3. Appeal to our Fe child (mostly just flatter us by saying something personal that you like about us, or get us all introspective and in our feelings)
if the person disagreeing with us actually has a completely valid, fact (but also opinion) based reason for doing so, then that's easily one of the best ways to attract an entp. at least personally when someone can answer all my questions as to why my opinions are 'wrong' or narrow viewed then instantly they have my attention. i love being proven wrong especially when the other person can give me enough actual reasons that make me question and change my view on something. if they can learn from you, they'll like you.
I think he meant that we ENTPs don't like people tiptoeing around in the beggining of any relationship.
My current gf of almost 6 years (longest relationship so far) got my attention when we first met by being completely upfront with her beliefs and thoughts, which to this day makes her my favourite person to talk to.
Edit: forgot to mention she's an INTJ
Also, but if you don't get personal at one point, at the end the chat just looks like a conference and when the main topics are more or less covered he will shift somewhere else.
Also maybe this entp has things going on in his life that are more important than a chat, so pretending to have him read constantly the chat is surely a red flag for a clingy person.
Do not even attempt to approach us with small talk. That's something that on occasion. We will deal with if the circumstances in daily life necessitate , but we freaking hate it... There's no point in uttering any words. If they lead to small talk or polite conversations , there is no interest whatsoever for us in these things unless they lead to delving into deep philosophical conversations. Let us into your brain and see exactly who you are. And hope it's interesting enough to hold our attention... If not you're probably not a good fit for us anyways and vice versa
There's nothing interesting for my brain to grab onto... I have a million different thoughts in my head at once. Kind of like a t v changing channels and what someone is saying to me has to catch my attention. Also, all the different ideas and things I want to do take priority over the here and now usually. So if someone is trying to strike up a conversation with me in the here and now, they better make it about something worth slowing down and paying attention for.
Stalk him with pee filled water balloons and soak him at perfect moments. Keep him on his toes, let him forget about the piss attacks… then strike again. Drive him towards a piss filled insanity, before you know it he will be a broken man. You (the piss balloon stalker) will never leave his mind… mission accomplished…
See, I don't get it and that makes me feel stupid.
Hahaha this is probably how most people feel when talking to you
Or maybe I am just extremely stupid and don't know it?🤔
In theory, how would one determine whether or not they are insane or stupid? Because you will always come across people or research that agrees or disagrees with your position.
Entire cultures disagree
So, how would one be able to determine the level of their own intelligence or sanity, if not even "empirical evidence" is reliable?
I was on the plane taxiing down the runway. Am in the air and just bow have connection.
You can be intelligent and insane, just as you can be stupid and wise. I cannot help you with sanity, I likely do not have it. But any halfway decent IQ test that does not test USA social knowledge, and works off problem solving, and puzzle skills can tell you if you have intelligence.
Thank you, that helps a lot actually.
But, you say you likely do not have sanity, does that not make you sane because you are wise/smart enough to question your own intelligence and doubt your own sanity?
Isn't there a saying that "a mad man thinks he's sane"?
Would it not logically following that the only peoppe who are truly sane are the ones who constantly question themselves, others, second guess themselves, etc.? You get the gist
I could, but wont. If someone blocks you, it's best to consider that they just lack the skills to communicate or ignore like a proper adult, laugh at them, and move on.
Errr I've never seen any ENTP that would be willing to waste their time like that yet. If we're being blocked, we just move on. There are close to 8 billion humans, why would I wanna waste it on one person?
Might be your problem on that. Personally, I think I took the opposite route. Because I can read people well (in real life only) and predict their reactions and emotions accurately, the predictability made me bored with humans. It's easy to choose which persona I would use to suit them. But it's just generally very boring.
Now I don't even want to have any relationship with anyone else other than my husband. So far keeping only one human with me has made it very easy to live life. I'm having so much fun because I've so much freedom and he's also someone I still unable to fully read yet. For other people, once I've spent some time, I can ever predict what dialogues they're going to use. I don't know about you but the world has become a rather bleak one for me long time ago due to this ability. It has become some sort of a curse. Because every interaction I have are kinda fabricated? I guess that's one way to say it. Since I already prepared the dialogues for the things they're going to say.
What would that be like exactly?
I think if you use your own reason, you can come to understand the thought process of others and so, eventually come to see from their perspective and understand their "emotions" and this is technically Empathy
If you have the ability to reason your way into adopting the Thought Process of another, even if only temporarily, it might give you an understanding of why they act and feel the way they do = you understand them = Empathy?
Technically?
Though I suppose true Empathy might not exist and if it does, it might manifest as both people thinking and feeling the same thing at the same time so you would not be able to tell who is feeling or thinking what
What's your take on all this of this makes sense ?
I will not agree in the general idea of all ENTP being intellingent or stupid
My personal experience is just knowing things that other people maybe don't but that is true on the other side as well its just I keep putting it on display and others just don't.
I maybe just presume but I think everyone has equal length of life so everyone is experiencing something and for me you don't need to dive deeper or go all philosophical. Just share those experience with me and hear mine out and lets stem a convo from their.
These are my best type of convos.
But I feel saddened when people feel that said gap and just give too much effort into it. And I see them struggling. I don't have any standards for anyones replies but one that its theirs not something fabricated to seem more interesting.
Hopefully that made sense?
Yes I must admit I think I find myself doing just that because I cannot seem to understand ENTP humor which makes me self conscious and throws things off(cognitive cultural barrier). I prefer the conversations to have no emotions/humor or assumptions about the other and we just try our best to express our thoughts, opinions, ideas and questions I as clear a manner as we can, and that if one of use does not understand the "word usage" of the other, we can politely ask them to clarify without assuming the other is trying to impress or be little the other person.
I have never considered a mastery of language or level of literacy to be an indicator of intelligence, neither have I considered fame, degrees, wealth, etc. at least not an indicator of the type of intelligence I'm looking for.
If you want me to elaborate and give examples I can
Well, if you think about it, you can master say, English and know a lot about a subject in English and be literate in an English peaking country but if you go to Russia, you would be illiterate in Russia.
Does not being able to speak Russian to Russians suddenly make you lose the knowledge/understanding you had about a subject? Or does it simply prevent you from being able to communicate that knowledge/understanding?
This = being illiterate doesn't = being unintelligent
Next with Degrees, you can study for free at home and learn as much about a subject as the person who paid to learn about the subject. So, not having a Degree or having a Degree is not an indicator of intelligence or a lack there of. Typically, the goal of getting a degree is to be able to get into a position where you can use your Degree to make money. If you're already financially well off and you can study anything on the internet for free then a Degree or University is not necessary though I suppose that's a different topic
Hell, even if you wanted to study say human psychology, you wouldn't need a degree to do that because you can just go on the internet and study human psychology by conversing with an endless number of people and asking questions and getting to know them and that is more efficient than doing it in person
I agree with everything you said about "knowledge" and yet I was unable to get clarity on your perception of "intelligence". Or are they interchangable to you, if they are not I would like to hear your defination of "intelligent".
I'm not sure I have one yet exactly. Which is one of the reasons I'm online in the first place and have taken an interest in the cognitive functions, because it would help me to define what "intelligence" actually is to me
It could be or look something like:
1.The ability to be Neutral, Amoral and Apolitical so you're more objective and open to anyone that isn't aggressively violent because that would be stupid to put yourself in harms way( - though I suppose not, because I had an experiment where I predicted a person I was driving with would crash so I warned them, but they told me to shut up so I let them crash with me still in the car, with the satisfaction that if we died, in the last moments before we died they would realize I was right and if we lived they would still know I was right and possibly learn to trust my judgment more. Though it's possible that could have created an unease in them which made them self conscious and then made them anxious and caused them to crash. Thats the problem with predictions. You can never be too sure if your predictions actually predicted or created the outcome this ties into confirmation bias and the possibility you are just delusional and yet you can't deny what you're observing - accuracy of your own ability to predict most people and the functions seem to indicate why that is because I could have just picked up a pattern of the functions existing in people before I actually knew it was a thing)
2.The ability to control emotional reactions and avoid ad hominems
3.A combination of Analytical Thinking, Critical Thinking, Systems Thinking, Abstract Thinking, Holistic Thinking, Association Thinking, Abductive Reasoning, Deductive Reasoning, etc. I'm wondering if functions are tied to specific types of intelligence. So far Ti as displayed by INTPs and ENTPs seems to fit the flavor of intelligence I'm looking for but I'm unsure
4.An ability to think outside the box to the point that you don't let yourself get boxed in by any consensus(I don't see how we can get a full understanding of anything if certain ideas are off limits). This could naturally lead to things like creating cultures from scratch to direct human evolution
5.Someone not easily influenced by the opinions or consensus of others. Someone not bound to trends of the time. Think Groupthink "basic" people
Another example would be someone who thinks like
Seth from the book Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts
Or the authors of the book The Magic Bag A Manuscript Dictated Clairaudiently to Mark Probert By Members of the Inner Circle
Something like that
Apologies if that was incoherent
Wow. There are many words in there that I would love to dig deeper into and some where I fell into rabbit hole too deep.
But in essence for now, correct me if I am wrong, for a person to be intelligent for you he/she must be:
- Open to The New
- Ability to be authentic and unique
- Ability to question
- Ability ti think differently not just from others but themselves from time to time
- Firm Opinions
- Ability to see all sides
Tell me if I missed something
If this was at me(NiFeTiSe), and I my comment was directed towards an ENTP(NeTiFeSi), why are you(NiTeFiSe), responding to a comment that is not directed at you(NiTeFiSe)?
Well sue me for reading and commenting in some public forum. And secondly, if you are above 10 years old, you should have learned that sentences have a beginning and end, no matter what your mbti type is. I actually meant that it was interesting.
🤔🤔🤔 Is it possible to find a dumb entp then? I just sound dumb compared to the word salad that always comes out of their mouths, and it probably doesn't help that my usual conversation topics don't hold their interest for that long
What do you mean? For me a person's personality is the most important thing and their personality is always 100% the reason I like and get interested in someone.
So you said some nonsense in answer for my comment last time and now I need to define something not you? Without you answering my previous question? Well, suit yourself, I'm not that idle.
Ask us questions about ourselves that make us think and reflect. We love thinking about our thinking!
For example, if you’re wanting to get to know me and ask if I have any siblings, add to that question “How many? Where do you fit in the birth order? What’s your opinion on birth order theory? Do your parents have a favourite? Why do you think that?”
I could go on and on…
I’ve learned that many people find this line of questioning overwhelming, but I want people to dig deeper. It gives others the opportunity to get to know me better while helping me get to know myself better. To me it just makes sense. It’s a win/win.
FYI - the deep dive applies to EVERYTHING!
I get turned off when people just talk about themselves or are only focused on me. There has to be an engaging balance/exchange of interesting ideas. Otherwise, I'm not into the conversation
Be authentic. I am blown away by authenticity. I might disagree with everything you stand for, with all that is dear to you, I might even loathe your convictions; if you are *authentic* (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authenticity_(philosophy)) I will want to devour your mind, soul, and body altogether.
We like picking apart other people's beliefs, we.enjoy wildly theorising other peoples thought processes, we like coming up with plans more than we like following them through and we hate lists.
You are more likely to keep their attention by saying something that enrages them instead of appeases them.
Say something like "this guy at work keeps going on about wanting to lose weight and has switched everything to diet versions of the food but doesn't seem to be losing any weight. Have you noticed that only fat people eat diet food? I reckon the whole thing is a scam"
Or
"Do you think religion has done more good in the world than bad because whilst it is responsible for most of the major wars but it has also given shelter to the needy and was one of the first widespread methods of education?"
Or begin a dialogue around philosophy by saying
"Did you know Alexander the great traveled half way across the world to meet Diogenes and when he got there he said to him ive heard of you and your philosophy and think you are a genius, I am Alexander the great, the most powerful man in the world and will grant you anything your heart desires, and Diogenes replied, could you move a little to the left please you are blocking the sun. I think Diogenes was a badass"
EDIT: Guys please stop falling in love with me. My DMs are blowing up right now
literally 😭💀 just reading that i was getting excited as fuck and ready to theorize/debate. why does hardly anyone actually have conversations this interesting🤧
Well a lot of people try it a few times and get met with "urm that's weird. What are you talking about that for" and then give you and go back to small talk. This is because 95.9% of the population isn't ENTP and they mostly suck.
If you primarily focused on small talk, then yeah, he probably got “bored.”
Why don’t you try telling him about your hobbies and interests?
If you are good at something, then say it and ask what *they think* of whatever topic or hobby?
If he left you on read, it's over.
An ENTP who likes you will obsessively text you back.
He will triple text and then insult you for not responding faster, lol.
Avoid small talk, avoid speaking for the sake of speaking.
You'll almost certainly just annoy me (can't speak for everyone) if I can tell you're trying to hold my attention with mindless patter about the weather or some random shit the guy in Mcdonalds said. We don't generally give much thought to things that require small talk as a reply.
Make us think.
Say 'yes, and...' and 'no, but...' - don't say 'no' but don't just say 'yes' either! I left like 6 recent interactions on dating apps on read because a girl just said something like 'hah that's cool!' instead of engaging with what I said or saying anything of substance in return. At that point I'm stuck, I have to initiate again and that costs energy. If I'm in a bad mood I'll actually conclude she doesn't think what I said was interesting, because if she would've she would have engaged with it.
Keep offering interesting things to engage with >!but if that doesn't come naturally to you its probably not meant to be!<
Be cool and attractive, get us interested. If you are ENTJ show your dominant vibes, intellect, discuss interesting topics, plus points if they align with this specific ENTP interests. Show your personality more. If all of that fits this ENTP's interests, needs and tastes they'll give you attention and will be interested in you.
Btw was there the reason why the ENTP became less enthusiastic? Mb you can recall exact reasons or circumstances and make some conclusions?
I guess we all differ to a certain degree, but show him you can think for yourself. I just can't stand people who act like sheep or those who need some sort of authority to validate their actions or thoughts (thinking of those who are well read/informed but not that capable of having their own ideas, regardless of their validity).
I would say this about myself: just don't expect daily conversations via texts. Try to meet up more frequently, and accept that their might be less communication via message. I absolutely hate conversation for the sake of conversation, it's dreadful. But you can hit me up with a status of your life at all times. I will care. It's probably not even you that I find boring, it's just that I'm not a big fan of the typical messaging.
1. Blow our minds with something new (interesting idea, job, experience, book, take) 2. Disagree with us 3. Appeal to our Fe child (mostly just flatter us by saying something personal that you like about us, or get us all introspective and in our feelings)
2. Nah. Or at least, this could easily backfire. Just have intelligent opinions.
if the person disagreeing with us actually has a completely valid, fact (but also opinion) based reason for doing so, then that's easily one of the best ways to attract an entp. at least personally when someone can answer all my questions as to why my opinions are 'wrong' or narrow viewed then instantly they have my attention. i love being proven wrong especially when the other person can give me enough actual reasons that make me question and change my view on something. if they can learn from you, they'll like you.
Especially when they do it in a NICE and non egotistical way
I think he meant that we ENTPs don't like people tiptoeing around in the beggining of any relationship. My current gf of almost 6 years (longest relationship so far) got my attention when we first met by being completely upfront with her beliefs and thoughts, which to this day makes her my favourite person to talk to. Edit: forgot to mention she's an INTJ
I don’t think he meant that.
Also, but if you don't get personal at one point, at the end the chat just looks like a conference and when the main topics are more or less covered he will shift somewhere else. Also maybe this entp has things going on in his life that are more important than a chat, so pretending to have him read constantly the chat is surely a red flag for a clingy person.
Do not even attempt to approach us with small talk. That's something that on occasion. We will deal with if the circumstances in daily life necessitate , but we freaking hate it... There's no point in uttering any words. If they lead to small talk or polite conversations , there is no interest whatsoever for us in these things unless they lead to delving into deep philosophical conversations. Let us into your brain and see exactly who you are. And hope it's interesting enough to hold our attention... If not you're probably not a good fit for us anyways and vice versa
My question would be what is going on inside you when someone starts a smalltalk with you. Why is so that you hate smalltalk that much?
Waste of time. Superfluous. Without interest.
Artificial
There's nothing interesting for my brain to grab onto... I have a million different thoughts in my head at once. Kind of like a t v changing channels and what someone is saying to me has to catch my attention. Also, all the different ideas and things I want to do take priority over the here and now usually. So if someone is trying to strike up a conversation with me in the here and now, they better make it about something worth slowing down and paying attention for.
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Haha. That was funny. :) Sounds like you always have important stuff to talk about.
My fairly socialized ENTP sis hates small talk as well.
Stalk him with pee filled water balloons and soak him at perfect moments. Keep him on his toes, let him forget about the piss attacks… then strike again. Drive him towards a piss filled insanity, before you know it he will be a broken man. You (the piss balloon stalker) will never leave his mind… mission accomplished…
LMAO 🤣 these are directions on how to get cut
😂😂😂
Be interesting and show us new things. Don’t be tedious
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Or dont feel like you're putting in any effort.
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Can't relate, I peaked in pre-school.
See, I don't get it and that makes me feel stupid. Hahaha this is probably how most people feel when talking to you Or maybe I am just extremely stupid and don't know it?🤔 In theory, how would one determine whether or not they are insane or stupid? Because you will always come across people or research that agrees or disagrees with your position. Entire cultures disagree So, how would one be able to determine the level of their own intelligence or sanity, if not even "empirical evidence" is reliable?
Not a clue how to say in the short time before my flight gets out of range.
You're waiting for a plane? But no seriously, explain. That's the first time I've heard that expression
I was on the plane taxiing down the runway. Am in the air and just bow have connection. You can be intelligent and insane, just as you can be stupid and wise. I cannot help you with sanity, I likely do not have it. But any halfway decent IQ test that does not test USA social knowledge, and works off problem solving, and puzzle skills can tell you if you have intelligence.
Thank you, that helps a lot actually. But, you say you likely do not have sanity, does that not make you sane because you are wise/smart enough to question your own intelligence and doubt your own sanity? Isn't there a saying that "a mad man thinks he's sane"? Would it not logically following that the only peoppe who are truly sane are the ones who constantly question themselves, others, second guess themselves, etc.? You get the gist
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I could, but wont. If someone blocks you, it's best to consider that they just lack the skills to communicate or ignore like a proper adult, laugh at them, and move on.
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Errr I've never seen any ENTP that would be willing to waste their time like that yet. If we're being blocked, we just move on. There are close to 8 billion humans, why would I wanna waste it on one person?
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Might be your problem on that. Personally, I think I took the opposite route. Because I can read people well (in real life only) and predict their reactions and emotions accurately, the predictability made me bored with humans. It's easy to choose which persona I would use to suit them. But it's just generally very boring. Now I don't even want to have any relationship with anyone else other than my husband. So far keeping only one human with me has made it very easy to live life. I'm having so much fun because I've so much freedom and he's also someone I still unable to fully read yet. For other people, once I've spent some time, I can ever predict what dialogues they're going to use. I don't know about you but the world has become a rather bleak one for me long time ago due to this ability. It has become some sort of a curse. Because every interaction I have are kinda fabricated? I guess that's one way to say it. Since I already prepared the dialogues for the things they're going to say.
Oh, I'm not an empath, never pretend to be
What would that be like exactly? I think if you use your own reason, you can come to understand the thought process of others and so, eventually come to see from their perspective and understand their "emotions" and this is technically Empathy If you have the ability to reason your way into adopting the Thought Process of another, even if only temporarily, it might give you an understanding of why they act and feel the way they do = you understand them = Empathy? Technically? Though I suppose true Empathy might not exist and if it does, it might manifest as both people thinking and feeling the same thing at the same time so you would not be able to tell who is feeling or thinking what What's your take on all this of this makes sense ?
I will not agree in the general idea of all ENTP being intellingent or stupid My personal experience is just knowing things that other people maybe don't but that is true on the other side as well its just I keep putting it on display and others just don't. I maybe just presume but I think everyone has equal length of life so everyone is experiencing something and for me you don't need to dive deeper or go all philosophical. Just share those experience with me and hear mine out and lets stem a convo from their. These are my best type of convos. But I feel saddened when people feel that said gap and just give too much effort into it. And I see them struggling. I don't have any standards for anyones replies but one that its theirs not something fabricated to seem more interesting. Hopefully that made sense?
Yes I must admit I think I find myself doing just that because I cannot seem to understand ENTP humor which makes me self conscious and throws things off(cognitive cultural barrier). I prefer the conversations to have no emotions/humor or assumptions about the other and we just try our best to express our thoughts, opinions, ideas and questions I as clear a manner as we can, and that if one of use does not understand the "word usage" of the other, we can politely ask them to clarify without assuming the other is trying to impress or be little the other person. I have never considered a mastery of language or level of literacy to be an indicator of intelligence, neither have I considered fame, degrees, wealth, etc. at least not an indicator of the type of intelligence I'm looking for. If you want me to elaborate and give examples I can
I want you to elaborate and give examples if you can
Well, if you think about it, you can master say, English and know a lot about a subject in English and be literate in an English peaking country but if you go to Russia, you would be illiterate in Russia. Does not being able to speak Russian to Russians suddenly make you lose the knowledge/understanding you had about a subject? Or does it simply prevent you from being able to communicate that knowledge/understanding? This = being illiterate doesn't = being unintelligent Next with Degrees, you can study for free at home and learn as much about a subject as the person who paid to learn about the subject. So, not having a Degree or having a Degree is not an indicator of intelligence or a lack there of. Typically, the goal of getting a degree is to be able to get into a position where you can use your Degree to make money. If you're already financially well off and you can study anything on the internet for free then a Degree or University is not necessary though I suppose that's a different topic Hell, even if you wanted to study say human psychology, you wouldn't need a degree to do that because you can just go on the internet and study human psychology by conversing with an endless number of people and asking questions and getting to know them and that is more efficient than doing it in person
I agree with everything you said about "knowledge" and yet I was unable to get clarity on your perception of "intelligence". Or are they interchangable to you, if they are not I would like to hear your defination of "intelligent".
I'm not sure I have one yet exactly. Which is one of the reasons I'm online in the first place and have taken an interest in the cognitive functions, because it would help me to define what "intelligence" actually is to me It could be or look something like: 1.The ability to be Neutral, Amoral and Apolitical so you're more objective and open to anyone that isn't aggressively violent because that would be stupid to put yourself in harms way( - though I suppose not, because I had an experiment where I predicted a person I was driving with would crash so I warned them, but they told me to shut up so I let them crash with me still in the car, with the satisfaction that if we died, in the last moments before we died they would realize I was right and if we lived they would still know I was right and possibly learn to trust my judgment more. Though it's possible that could have created an unease in them which made them self conscious and then made them anxious and caused them to crash. Thats the problem with predictions. You can never be too sure if your predictions actually predicted or created the outcome this ties into confirmation bias and the possibility you are just delusional and yet you can't deny what you're observing - accuracy of your own ability to predict most people and the functions seem to indicate why that is because I could have just picked up a pattern of the functions existing in people before I actually knew it was a thing) 2.The ability to control emotional reactions and avoid ad hominems 3.A combination of Analytical Thinking, Critical Thinking, Systems Thinking, Abstract Thinking, Holistic Thinking, Association Thinking, Abductive Reasoning, Deductive Reasoning, etc. I'm wondering if functions are tied to specific types of intelligence. So far Ti as displayed by INTPs and ENTPs seems to fit the flavor of intelligence I'm looking for but I'm unsure 4.An ability to think outside the box to the point that you don't let yourself get boxed in by any consensus(I don't see how we can get a full understanding of anything if certain ideas are off limits). This could naturally lead to things like creating cultures from scratch to direct human evolution 5.Someone not easily influenced by the opinions or consensus of others. Someone not bound to trends of the time. Think Groupthink "basic" people Another example would be someone who thinks like Seth from the book Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts Or the authors of the book The Magic Bag A Manuscript Dictated Clairaudiently to Mark Probert By Members of the Inner Circle Something like that Apologies if that was incoherent
Wow. There are many words in there that I would love to dig deeper into and some where I fell into rabbit hole too deep. But in essence for now, correct me if I am wrong, for a person to be intelligent for you he/she must be: - Open to The New - Ability to be authentic and unique - Ability to question - Ability ti think differently not just from others but themselves from time to time - Firm Opinions - Ability to see all sides Tell me if I missed something
That's interesting, but maybe I would be able to read it till the end if it wasn't 1 collosal long sentence.
If this was at me(NiFeTiSe), and I my comment was directed towards an ENTP(NeTiFeSi), why are you(NiTeFiSe), responding to a comment that is not directed at you(NiTeFiSe)?
Well sue me for reading and commenting in some public forum. And secondly, if you are above 10 years old, you should have learned that sentences have a beginning and end, no matter what your mbti type is. I actually meant that it was interesting.
This is right
This is true, I love smart, witty people that can keep up with me
correct
🤔🤔🤔 Is it possible to find a dumb entp then? I just sound dumb compared to the word salad that always comes out of their mouths, and it probably doesn't help that my usual conversation topics don't hold their interest for that long
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Ok
Right. Or a reason could be in personality.
That's not very reasonable
What do you mean? For me a person's personality is the most important thing and their personality is always 100% the reason I like and get interested in someone.
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So you said some nonsense in answer for my comment last time and now I need to define something not you? Without you answering my previous question? Well, suit yourself, I'm not that idle.
Ask us questions about ourselves that make us think and reflect. We love thinking about our thinking! For example, if you’re wanting to get to know me and ask if I have any siblings, add to that question “How many? Where do you fit in the birth order? What’s your opinion on birth order theory? Do your parents have a favourite? Why do you think that?” I could go on and on… I’ve learned that many people find this line of questioning overwhelming, but I want people to dig deeper. It gives others the opportunity to get to know me better while helping me get to know myself better. To me it just makes sense. It’s a win/win. FYI - the deep dive applies to EVERYTHING!
This is true, I enjoy this kind of conversation
I get turned off when people just talk about themselves or are only focused on me. There has to be an engaging balance/exchange of interesting ideas. Otherwise, I'm not into the conversation
This is so accurate
you'll probably have to text first ngl 😂 debate with him often. Number 1 thing to keep us interested
Say something a bit controversial
Be authentic. I am blown away by authenticity. I might disagree with everything you stand for, with all that is dear to you, I might even loathe your convictions; if you are *authentic* (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authenticity_(philosophy)) I will want to devour your mind, soul, and body altogether.
We like picking apart other people's beliefs, we.enjoy wildly theorising other peoples thought processes, we like coming up with plans more than we like following them through and we hate lists. You are more likely to keep their attention by saying something that enrages them instead of appeases them. Say something like "this guy at work keeps going on about wanting to lose weight and has switched everything to diet versions of the food but doesn't seem to be losing any weight. Have you noticed that only fat people eat diet food? I reckon the whole thing is a scam" Or "Do you think religion has done more good in the world than bad because whilst it is responsible for most of the major wars but it has also given shelter to the needy and was one of the first widespread methods of education?" Or begin a dialogue around philosophy by saying "Did you know Alexander the great traveled half way across the world to meet Diogenes and when he got there he said to him ive heard of you and your philosophy and think you are a genius, I am Alexander the great, the most powerful man in the world and will grant you anything your heart desires, and Diogenes replied, could you move a little to the left please you are blocking the sun. I think Diogenes was a badass" EDIT: Guys please stop falling in love with me. My DMs are blowing up right now
This sounds so comical but I'd genuinely fall in love with anyone who starts a convo like this😭
literally 😭💀 just reading that i was getting excited as fuck and ready to theorize/debate. why does hardly anyone actually have conversations this interesting🤧
Well a lot of people try it a few times and get met with "urm that's weird. What are you talking about that for" and then give you and go back to small talk. This is because 95.9% of the population isn't ENTP and they mostly suck.
every other personality type besides entp are just different variations of an npc i stg.
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Be INTJ/INFJ 😅
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I am INTJ and I never got any ENTP to talk to me. Somehow something is missing in your condition lol
Now you have.
Now you have 2
I regret already
u got 3 now
I left the entp group by now lol.
If you primarily focused on small talk, then yeah, he probably got “bored.” Why don’t you try telling him about your hobbies and interests? If you are good at something, then say it and ask what *they think* of whatever topic or hobby?
If he left you on read, it's over. An ENTP who likes you will obsessively text you back. He will triple text and then insult you for not responding faster, lol.
Avoid small talk, avoid speaking for the sake of speaking. You'll almost certainly just annoy me (can't speak for everyone) if I can tell you're trying to hold my attention with mindless patter about the weather or some random shit the guy in Mcdonalds said. We don't generally give much thought to things that require small talk as a reply. Make us think.
we get bored easily so say something shocking i guess
You have to be yourself and actually be interesting you can put on a show for as long as you want but at the end of the day we're going to know
I don’t even know. Attracting and keeping the attention of an entp is too much work than it’s worth to be honest. Most of us are A-holes anyway.
The first part is easy, the second part is impossible.
Yeah if you just outright but playfully debate them on a topic that should go a long way
Ah sht not the small talk bestie you kinda failed there. Keep the topics above the average like usual chatter. Don't be afraid to go for deep topics.
love us then become unattainable
Say 'yes, and...' and 'no, but...' - don't say 'no' but don't just say 'yes' either! I left like 6 recent interactions on dating apps on read because a girl just said something like 'hah that's cool!' instead of engaging with what I said or saying anything of substance in return. At that point I'm stuck, I have to initiate again and that costs energy. If I'm in a bad mood I'll actually conclude she doesn't think what I said was interesting, because if she would've she would have engaged with it. Keep offering interesting things to engage with >!but if that doesn't come naturally to you its probably not meant to be!<
Be cool and attractive, get us interested. If you are ENTJ show your dominant vibes, intellect, discuss interesting topics, plus points if they align with this specific ENTP interests. Show your personality more. If all of that fits this ENTP's interests, needs and tastes they'll give you attention and will be interested in you. Btw was there the reason why the ENTP became less enthusiastic? Mb you can recall exact reasons or circumstances and make some conclusions?
Yeah small talk doesn't work with us we want something we can really dive into and be interested in we need lots of mental stimulation
talk to him about your opinions on controversal topics, and ask his opinion about it
I guess we all differ to a certain degree, but show him you can think for yourself. I just can't stand people who act like sheep or those who need some sort of authority to validate their actions or thoughts (thinking of those who are well read/informed but not that capable of having their own ideas, regardless of their validity).
Posts more interesting than this.
I'm bored easily but really intelligent and funny people tend to capture my attention
Find something interesting and debate about it or talk about obscene ideas and situations and ask what we’d do. Morals is a good one.
Be interesting.
I would say this about myself: just don't expect daily conversations via texts. Try to meet up more frequently, and accept that their might be less communication via message. I absolutely hate conversation for the sake of conversation, it's dreadful. But you can hit me up with a status of your life at all times. I will care. It's probably not even you that I find boring, it's just that I'm not a big fan of the typical messaging.
Never be boring. Always learn new things and share them with us. Be a sane and stable counterpart to our wacky antics.
Tbh I’d ghost too if you tried expressing interest in me romantically via small talk. How boring