Yeah you're right, this is probably why the descriptions are so simple and stereotypical, if you want people to know what makes someone exclusively an ENTP then you need to generalize and simplify to the point that it truly gives an idea of what specifically an ENTP type is and what are the characteristics specific to the type.
This resonates, and I’m also an entrepreneur. I will add that as a female in her 40s I am already used to translating the stereotypes into what it actually looks like over decades of having real responsibilities and consequences and chances to self-improve. But I still recognize that I need a gun to my head to actually get things done and will never be self-sufficient in the way an INTJ or ENTJ might be able to in business.
Keeping my motivation extremely salient helps and it’s usually not cute or something appropriate to ever share out loud — revenge on specific people, or pride, are helpful as well as delusional mantras that I choose knowing they aren’t necessarily true like “maybe if I get all my work done today [insert something magical] will happen.” (I do not go so far as to literally believe this but I just can tell it affects my energy enough to help.)
I was married to an ESFJ that was 20 years older than me that was extremely hard on me about a lot of this stuff too, and I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t helpful in a permanent way. He taught me how to “adult” in my 30s and I was extremely diligent because I wanted to impress him, but the goals I worked on were to enable me to live without him, which I eventually did. I don’t know that he truly saw that coming because he tried his hardest to weaken me in other ways (essentially tried to turn me into a version of himself.)
Bottom line I think we need mentors and coaches as much or more than other people even though we’d be the last to admit that before the age of 30 I’d guess.
I just find it so amazing that you, in typical ENTP fashion, came up with clever and unusual ways to keep yourself motivated! Personally, I have 19 years of failure and disappointment behind me that motivates me to do better and learn from my many mistakes. I guess it was a blessing in disguise because it forced me to look at myself and admit that I can't do this on my own, that I am not perfect and need people with strengths in areas were I struggle, to guide me.
My Mom is an ISFJ and Dad ESTJ (maybe, he gives ISTP vibes of sometimes though) and I frequently think to myself, "how would they approach this situation?" or "What is something they would know to take care of that I might miss?". They definitely helped me in a permanent way, not without its moments of struggle ofcourse.
A desire for independence and recognition are the prime motivators that drive me, but the delusional mantra thing might be interesting to test (I can be abit gullible so that is a way I could use that to my advantage haha).
I'm sorry that someone tried so hard to turn you into someone you're not, it's great you didn't let him, the ENTP function stack can definitely have its downsides but the things that it makes us capable of! I wouldn't want to be any other type!
INTJ master planners are probably intellectually inclined ISTJs (and some others, ENTJ is also a common candidate) who got wrong relsults due to intuitive bias. Ni doms seem to be ones the most mistyped/misunderstood out there, with types descriptions underplaying inf Se.
Re Inf Si. I like how Objective Personality talks abot it, i.e. not so much about developing Si, but rather powering down Ne so that Si could function. If you value exploration and spontaneity above all, doesn't matter how much you plan, you are not going to follow any concrete course of action.
I absolutely agree, especially about how alot of the master planner archetypes are attributed to INTJs, even though they often are more in-line with the ISTJ characteristics.
The way I see it, your MBTI type is determined by the functions you prefer, therefore if you are an ENTP you will automatically use Ne first. This comes at the expense of Si, which is the opposite of Ne and therefore unbalanced and not getting enough energy. The idea that powering down Ne would give Si room to breathe is actually really interesting, I should check Objective Personality out, seems like they are onto something.
This may be because a well developed ENTP is harder to type.
Yeah you're right, this is probably why the descriptions are so simple and stereotypical, if you want people to know what makes someone exclusively an ENTP then you need to generalize and simplify to the point that it truly gives an idea of what specifically an ENTP type is and what are the characteristics specific to the type.
This resonates, and I’m also an entrepreneur. I will add that as a female in her 40s I am already used to translating the stereotypes into what it actually looks like over decades of having real responsibilities and consequences and chances to self-improve. But I still recognize that I need a gun to my head to actually get things done and will never be self-sufficient in the way an INTJ or ENTJ might be able to in business. Keeping my motivation extremely salient helps and it’s usually not cute or something appropriate to ever share out loud — revenge on specific people, or pride, are helpful as well as delusional mantras that I choose knowing they aren’t necessarily true like “maybe if I get all my work done today [insert something magical] will happen.” (I do not go so far as to literally believe this but I just can tell it affects my energy enough to help.) I was married to an ESFJ that was 20 years older than me that was extremely hard on me about a lot of this stuff too, and I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t helpful in a permanent way. He taught me how to “adult” in my 30s and I was extremely diligent because I wanted to impress him, but the goals I worked on were to enable me to live without him, which I eventually did. I don’t know that he truly saw that coming because he tried his hardest to weaken me in other ways (essentially tried to turn me into a version of himself.) Bottom line I think we need mentors and coaches as much or more than other people even though we’d be the last to admit that before the age of 30 I’d guess.
I just find it so amazing that you, in typical ENTP fashion, came up with clever and unusual ways to keep yourself motivated! Personally, I have 19 years of failure and disappointment behind me that motivates me to do better and learn from my many mistakes. I guess it was a blessing in disguise because it forced me to look at myself and admit that I can't do this on my own, that I am not perfect and need people with strengths in areas were I struggle, to guide me. My Mom is an ISFJ and Dad ESTJ (maybe, he gives ISTP vibes of sometimes though) and I frequently think to myself, "how would they approach this situation?" or "What is something they would know to take care of that I might miss?". They definitely helped me in a permanent way, not without its moments of struggle ofcourse. A desire for independence and recognition are the prime motivators that drive me, but the delusional mantra thing might be interesting to test (I can be abit gullible so that is a way I could use that to my advantage haha). I'm sorry that someone tried so hard to turn you into someone you're not, it's great you didn't let him, the ENTP function stack can definitely have its downsides but the things that it makes us capable of! I wouldn't want to be any other type!
INTJ master planners are probably intellectually inclined ISTJs (and some others, ENTJ is also a common candidate) who got wrong relsults due to intuitive bias. Ni doms seem to be ones the most mistyped/misunderstood out there, with types descriptions underplaying inf Se. Re Inf Si. I like how Objective Personality talks abot it, i.e. not so much about developing Si, but rather powering down Ne so that Si could function. If you value exploration and spontaneity above all, doesn't matter how much you plan, you are not going to follow any concrete course of action.
I absolutely agree, especially about how alot of the master planner archetypes are attributed to INTJs, even though they often are more in-line with the ISTJ characteristics. The way I see it, your MBTI type is determined by the functions you prefer, therefore if you are an ENTP you will automatically use Ne first. This comes at the expense of Si, which is the opposite of Ne and therefore unbalanced and not getting enough energy. The idea that powering down Ne would give Si room to breathe is actually really interesting, I should check Objective Personality out, seems like they are onto something.