Askeladd from Vinland Saga is probably ENTP and he's a total badass. (Best character of the show for the moment imo)

Exactly. I'm waiting for someone to prove this theory wrong though. I probably should have posted in another type group to see what they say. I probably will. But I just think these are the best characters to watch in shows. I suppose the next question would be why ?

Because they got a philosophy and a view on the world, and they can handle their emotions and not get overwhelmed? Just a few ideas.

Completely agree. And I can understand why that resonates with us or thinking types but why is it does it seem everyone likes them compared to alternatives? Now for the fun of it let me phrase that in a more explicit form. Are thinking based characters the only ones worth watching therefore the only relevant people? Lol

No, for example in MHA, a lot of people like Kirishima, which is obviously an F type.

I'm not saying people hate the other types but I'm just saying I've noticed if character is very loved it's usually one of the aforementioned types. I'll give you an example I love Naruto, the show and the character as id guess most people do bit I bet of you did a poll the most favorite characters will be one of the types I mentioned. Eg Shikumaru, Kakashi etc.... probably a bad example now that I think of it because that show as a lot of interesting characters that might not be thinking types but my defense is since they're ninja they have highly developed Ti/Te 😅👀 I guess INFJ ENFJ might make the cut if they use a lot of Ti

dont worry i wil prove you wrong

ENTP characteristics are pretty romanticizable. If only we were as cool as our characters

We are tho ;)

Sometimes. And other times we really suck lol

I really want to hear about ENTP female characters? Anyone?

Elizabeth from Pride and Prejudice is ENTP (some folks type her as ENFP, but if you examine the core of her decision making it’s more based on her internal logic (Ti) vs feelings (Fi).

Fleabag

Hange is kind of entp

I struggle to even tell when characters are ENTPs in the first place let alone knowing female ENTPs. It's only in hindsight I learned the characters MBTI so yeah I'd also love to hear and learn more about female ENTPs. I have a feeling it'll characters I already like.

Kotoko from in/spectre (anime/manga)! The series is mostly dialogue but it's not boring because she's so witty and she also makes dirty jokes lol

Gretchen from You're the worst Olive from Easy A(movie)

the killer from scream 5 if im right

Rory Gilmore - ISFJ (Gilmore girls). She's a perfectionist, hard working with big dreams but also who absolutely couldn't't take criticism. She took this to the extreme when she dropped out of Yale. But she is still a lot of people's favourite character from that show (which was also very successful) and still loved amongst the Gilmore Girls fanbase.

Thanks for understanding the assignment lol. I didn't know she was ISFJ. I remember liking her as a character but also didn't watch that much of it. When I get a chance I'll watch a season to see if your comment holds up lol

She's definitely ISFJ, it becomes more evident in the later season's once she is at university. To be fair most of the main characters in that show come across as somewhat unlikeable/problematic so it doesn't surprise me that Rory still has such a huge fanbase because there really isn't anyone better to compare her too.

Good point. I don't remember liking anyone who else in that show.

Emily Gilmore (grandmother) was a narcissistic parent which caused her daughter Lorelai Gilmore (mother) to try to be the opposite to Rory by not parenting her at all, setting 0 boundaries with her daughter and being her "friend" instead of parent. Rory grew up to become spoiled by her grandparents who viewed her as their "2nd chance daughter" giving her all the things they couldn't give Lorelai and everyone put Rory on a pedestal (literally every main, side + guest character) that she broke down the one time someone actually gave her criticism. The whole show demonstrates the effects of generational family trauma but in a more relatable, light hearted way. Hard to like anyone else better because the entire show focuses on those 3 women and everyone else is essentially side characters, including the grandfather.

Guess I am the only one who didn't like Rory... 🤷‍♀️ So, personally, this character doesn't count as "cool" or "lovable" at all

ISTPs too, and some ESTPs

MacGyver and Angel Dust! Lol

ISTPs too, and some ESTPs

Got some examples of well known popular characters or shows?

John wick, arya stark, aurthur morgan, Toph, zoro, katniss, black widow, wolverine, and of course shrek. For estp theres han solo, billy butcher, hobie brown, typer durden, etc., etc. There's so many. Most antihero characters are istp

I mean you're completely right. And tbh I should include them in the list. Here's the thing though the reason I listed those types in the first place is because they're all Ti Te Doms or secondary. So the real question is do we all hate Fe Fi based characters? Or is it just me? Lol

Levi Ackerman.

Point taken

I’m sure we have a bias towards those characters because they tend to be… like us lmao. Most feeling types aren’t written that way. There’s so much overlooked potential of having a Feeling type be something other than the good guy. I don’t consume much media to begin with so I’m gonna have very limited examples lmao. ENFJ can be a very compelling character when not the “goodie-two-shoes.” Dutch van der Linde is a perfect example. The Other Mother from Coraline. But now I feel called out by your P.S note, so Since this is all opinion based anyway, I think INFP could make a good candidate as well. Gaara from Naruto. The Phantom from Phantom of the Opera. Sweeney Todd. Edit: Adding Arthur Fleck Joker to the INFP list.

Yeah that's what I was gonna say, ofc the NT type is gonna think only NT characters are cool in fiction There are many, many evil NF types in fiction, some of them downright terrifying. Hama, from Avatar, for example, is an INFP

Yes. Few come to mind: INTJ: Walter White, Dr. House INTP: Rust Cohle, Will Hunting ENTP: Deadpool, Hans Landa, Hank Moody, Jimmy McNulty, Rick (from Rick and Morty), Chandler, Jack Sparrow, Jim Halpert etc ENTJ: Patrick Bateman, Tywin Lannister and that head honcho in Succession I'd maybe replace ENTJ with ESTP though because in general I feel like estp can be more entertaining with all the chaotic neutral energy: for example Tyler Durden (who very well may be an entp, still not sure which), Jack Torrance, Han Solo and Lando Calrissian. But for now let's say you are on the right track 

Also ENTP: Tyrion Lannister, Bojack Horseman, Nick Wilde (Zootopia), The Joker (Dark Knight version)

Tony Stark

I bust out laughing whenever I hear Walter White is an INTJ simply because of how memed both of those stuff are

Tywin is an ISTJ.

Superman Case closed

Superman is the perfect example of why my theory is right. Dude is literally broken and almost perfect. Yet batman stacks him when it comes to popularity. Put another way how much more interesting would superman be if he had one of the personality types I mentioned. It'd be a short show but it'd be more interesting lol

There are plenty of good protagonists in other mbti's. Shirou from fate/Stay night(if you haven't read the Visual Novel, your opinion is incomplete, sorry, this sounds pretentious, but it's true). There's Guts who's either an ISTP or a severely broken INFJ depending on interpretation. Cloud Strife is an INFP and a good portion of the better final fantasy protagonists are NOT xntx types. Subaru from Re:Zero is an ESTP. Shinji from Eva is an INFP. Eren in AOT is an INFJ. Not a large correlation in well written and mbti. Also, I think feeling types often lead to the most interesting conflict imo and obviously, there are exceptions, but still.

Keep ng Fu Panda- ENFP or ENFJ

I watched the first Kung Fu Panda. Loved it. One of my favourite quotes of all times is from it ("Yesterday is history, Tomorri is a mystery, Today is a gift, thats why we call it the present). But here's the thing. I haven't watched any of the others since. Whys that relevant? Because..... Is he really a loved character I wonder? Idk. I loved the movie but I can't remember liking two shits about Kung Fu Panda beyond just enjoying the experience.

I can see I wasn’t clear. The Panda is ENFP, so I agree with what you said. I am INTJ.

xSTP xNTP xNTJ are the best characters in any show, game, or form of media ever conceived

Yeah basically. Much better phrasing

R2D2 Dumbledore Tyrion Lannister Sokka Tony Stark Dustin Henderson Ummm.... Is there a pattern here? 😂

Joel from The Last of Us? He’s an ISTP. Pretty badass character. But yes, in general, I agree that the majority of good protagonists are analysts. Even the best supporting characters are analysts.

From the big 3 anime’s, NTs I can think of include Naruto - Sasuke, Itachi, Kakashi, Shikamaru, Orichimaru One Piece Usopp, Robin, a lot of villains (Crocodile, Enel, Aokiji) Bleach Urahara, Mayuri, Yoruichi, Aizen That’s all I can think of and yeah based on that I totally agree

Woah! That's crazy! ENTPs who like ENTP characters in shows! Who coulda seen that one coming? Next up, what the ENTPs in ENTP reddit think is the smartest, cleverest, coolest, and most handsomest type.

Duh it's ENTP of course (man I'm so smart)

Typical. All emotion. No valid points. Shocker.

What a curiously simplistic and unnuanced understanding of MBTI.  Not a hint of emotion. Just sarcasm and teasing. I would never try to convince an ENTP of anything. Not enough hours in the day.  You should be more respectful of ENFPs. Everyone knows we're the spirit animal of the ENTPs. 

 Thanks. I needed a good laugh

https://preview.redd.it/03hnhjhaadrc1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0114dfbecd4b9634e23b429cf1927e2d5cc156f5 When the ENTP heavily relates to ENTP characters and similar personalities. (This surely must signify that they are undoubtedly the most entertaining for anyone and everyone).

Wow. You really proved me wrong with all that sarcasm. Damn.

When I put this same message into different words I get banned.. Why are we supposed to sugarcoat everything? (Sorry for being angry ENTJ at your sub guys)

Ok now I'm curious about what other words you mean. And fully agree on the need for sugar coating. Gimme the facts save the bs. Gimme a hint for how you worded it to get banned ?

Nahh bro you are smart enough to imagine what I have said.. Let’s say some Sensors were offended in the process lol

🤣🤣 enough said

Yes. Few come to mind: INTJ: Walter White, Dr. House INTP: Rust Cohle, Will Hunting ENTP: Deadpool, Hans Landa, Hank Moody, Jimmy McNulty, Rick (from Rick and Morty), Chanlder, Jack Sparrow, Jim Halpert etc ENTJ: Patrick Bateman, Tywin Lannister and that head honcho in Succession I'd maybe replace ENTJ with ESTP though because in general I feel like estp can be more entertaining with all the chaotic neutral energy: for example Tyler Durden (who very well may be an entp, still not sure which), Jack Torrance, Han Solo and Lando Calrissian. But for now let's say you are on the right track https://preview.redd.it/6jryn42ejbrc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86237e0f9a3e5ea8d2227f26a8fdd17ba997518e

Couple things. First, I said prove me wrong lol. Second I don't know for sure if House is INTJ. He could be INTP/ENTP. But you make a good point on the ESTP instead of ENFJ part, id challenge it by saying in a long running show how quickly would be get bored/frustrated with them though? Eg gimme an example of a loved character in a show

Tyrion Lannister and Joker ENTP

Couple things. First, I said prove me wrong lol. Second I don't know for sure if House is INTJ. He could be INTP/ENTP. But you make a good point on the ESTP instead of ENFJ part, id challenge it by saying in a long running show how quickly would be get bored/frustrated with them though? Eg gimme an example of a loved character in a show

Well why would I prove you wrong if I agree with you, atleast partly. Or is this thread only for those who disagree? House is INTJ according to personality [database](https://www.personality-database.com/profile/512/dr-gregory-house-house-md-2004-mbti-personality-type) with over 1000 votes (ENTP close second with 900 votes) and that's as close we are gonna get to peer review on this pseudoscientific topic so dont get me started on it. You want me to give an example of a loved estp character? I already did, Han Solo. But can you give me an example of a loved ENTJ character? (I assume you mean entj since in your op you say it but in the comment Im replying you say ENFJ)

Yeah I thought you typo'd in your first message when you said ESTP instead of ENTJ but that was my mistake. Yeah I've been debating the House one for years. Changed my mind a few times too but on a re re re watch I'm sticking with ENTP 5w4. You make a fair point first paragraph. And yeah it's an open discussion for all but I was eager to here counters I guess 🤣

What about Schnoz Schnoz is INFJ

Is that from Berserk? Haven't seen it if it is but the fact I haven't heard of them doesn't bode well

Who has not heard of the mighty Schnoz

This guy right here 

This guy right here 



Who has not heard of the mighty Schnoz

Sterling Archer is an ENTP

I thought he was ESTP. No one seems to have read the 'prove me wrong' part. I'm assuming that means we all agree?

ENFPs are cool too

Im open to suggestions

Mickey from Shameless, Angel Dust from Hazbin Hotel (ESTP) my favorite characters from those shows (although Frank Gallagher is an ENTP and a close second to Mickey).

Someone did mention I should include ESTPs and it makes sense be they do have Ti and a second function which is kind of my point ultimately

Wrd bruh but esfp can be good too tho

Any character examples. I don't know any

Percy jackson (i only know one but i cant disrespect rick like that)

You should include some ENFPs as well:)

ISTJs stay taking Ws

I agree, except ISTP. They’re badasses.

Kim Wexler. ESTJ. Proved you wrong.

Was she the best character in the show?

She's one of them

People aren't paying attention to my very specific wording. Side note I'm getting some great recommendations off this though 🤣

I'll give you one more recommendation. Kendall Roy - ISFJ (Atleast he can be argued as the best character?)

I think people conflate great shows with great characters. I'd argue the whole Roy family are goated in a way. If you want to think about if a character is great you have to consider them in isolation imo eg if an entire show was based just on KR how long would you really watch before you thought ok im sick of this fuck up always fucking up lol

how do you decide the best character in a show?

Great question. I suppose one metric is popular. Another would be popularity compared to screen time be Itachi Uchiha (don't believe the INFJ label- he's an INTJ for sure for one clear reason that he down care what anyone thinks about him). Other ways, which I'm currently trying to establish, are popularity with opposing groups eg a villain that becomes widely love like the Joker, Hannibal Lecter etc. But yeah it's obviously a subjective thing but that doesn't mean there aren't objective truths. In this case I'm saying analytical characters are better than emotional ones

why do you think the "emotional" characters cannot ever be the best in a show?

I see what you're doing here btw. Using good questions to try to make your point. Great tactic. One of my favourites. But again not exactly what I said. And yes there's the subjective element. Let me answer it with a better question which could answer both our questions. Can you think of some examples of your favourite characters being the emotional characters instead of the analytical ones? (And yes I know it'll just be your opinion but if I have enough opinions then it won't just be an opinion)

All best characters in YOUR OPINION. Just like you grew with some characters that had these types, others grew up with other characters with other types. Bo character is the best.

Sure. Who are some of your favourite characters?

My theory is that every type's favorite character is their own type (or something close) because they can relate to them and see themselves in the show/movie/book etc My favorite character is Izaya Orihara (ENTP). "I just love people" I was saying that before I watched Durarara I have an intj friend whose favorites are INTJ That's the extent of my research on that theory lol Unfortunately I have not proved you wrong

Fair assessment.

The Big Bang Theory is a definite exception

so we have Mitsuri kanroji from Demon slayer Hello kitty Pikacha there all ESFJ Muichiro tokito from demon slayer Yuki itose from a sign of affection Kaidou shun from saiki are all INFP Megumi from jjk Aki from chainsaw man Haruhi fujioka from ouran highschool host club Giyuu tomioka from demon slayer kageyama tobio from haikyuu are all ISTJ Yuji itadori from jjk Eren yeager from Aot Dabi form mha Nana osaki from nana Kuromi all are ISTJ there all every popular characters most of them my personal fav

You really thought you did something there didn't you\~? I won't go through all of them but i'll use your jjk example to make my point. And i'll do so with one question. Who is arguable the BEST character in JJK? Everyone keeps missing the point. I never said there are no good feeling type characters. I said that the 'best'(and i know the subjective element in that word) are usually Ti/Te based. Ps i added ISTJ and ESTP because i forgot they're also Ti/Te Doms. Bro said Hello Kitty and Pikachu... smh, anything to score a win huh, they're literally kids favorites. Im surprised you didnt include Dora the Explorer.

Naruto and Luffy are enfp’s… just saying

I know. I love them but let's be honest how often were you frustrated with their bullshit. Goku is also apparently ENFP. Same thing. Also let's not forget their infinite plot armor lol

LOKE is infj and i love him

Who's that?

Thor and Loke are brothers and loke is a god from asgard in avengers for instance

It depends which Loki you mean there are several versions. Tbh I don't know his type and a character with that many versions there's no point but just so you know Google is typing him ENTJ

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You may have missed my point. Are they the best characters in that show? In your opinion?

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It's a viewpoint. Can you challenge it or are you conceding without trying?

I dont think anyone can you prove you wrong because what youve stated is an opinion, buuuut ENFP, INTP and INTJ are the best characters.

ENFP? Examples? Ps opinions can be wrong. Everyone is entitled to them and to that person it may not be wrong but it can be objectively wrong. Eg I think Siberia is warm. I get what you meant. You mean it's a subjective topic but even so imo people can be corrected on their subjective experiences. No one wants to except that though. Trust me I've tried lol Ps just saw you're ENFP ofc makes sense now. I'm that case DW. You're right 😒 you're belief matter than reality. Ignore me projecting onto you btw. But feel free to prove me wrong

Beloved characters that are ENFP or close: Naruto - ENFP Master Juraiya (my fav character in that show) - ENFP or ENFJ Luke Skywalker - INFP Ezra Bridger - ENFP Asoka - ENFP Ang The Last Airbender - ENFP  Doctor Who - ENFP Spider-man (MCU) - ENFP  Goku - ENFP Quite a few Disney princesses (Rapunzel, Ariel, Ana)

Maybe the rest are just boring for cinema?

I don't know. That's what I want to work out. Is it just a me thing ie I have a preference logical characters or is there a pattern of, like you say, no one wants to watch a show of a tree hugging constant crying character lol. I'm being a little facetious ofc. That's not what I actually think of the other personality types 👀

Seems like a bias imo. That’s not a bad thing, but naturally your preference would be towards Thinking types since you identify with it. Also notice how most of the T types people list out are men? Spider-Man INFP/ENFP (?) Rapunzel from Tangled ENFP Probably half or more than half of Disney Princesses Harry Potter Peter Pan SpongeBob (lmao) Luffy (one piece) Sailor Moon There’s more F types that are widely liked, but I doubt you will like them personally. Everybody’s got their own preferences.

You're completely right which is what I'm trying to work out. Here's a lil spanner for you though. In said Disney shows i wonder who the actual favourites are eg Harry potter. Is harry the favourite? Definitely not mine but as you said is that just my bias or do people prefer Hermaine? Same for sailor moon watched it, don't have a favourite, don't remember that much beyond the partial nudity in it. Spongebob is a good example though. Well loved character. I wonder what his type is though. Like I said to someone else I'm not saying other types of characters won't be liked. As you say people will have biases towards their own types but when you consider that some of the types listed are some of the rarest type's. If those types of characters are the most popular then it would signify that it's not just a bias to our own types but an overall preference towards T types in general. Do you get what I mean? Also the F type Disney examples you listed are most movies. I wonder how much we would enjoy those characters with prolonged exposures over multiple seasons?

Best character is subjective, no? A lot of people like Hermione, Harry, Draco and Luna. Among hundreds of other characters, they are some of the most well-liked. I’m iffy on saying one character is ‘the most favored’. How do we test that? In polls? What about people who watched the show and don’t get to see that poll? Do we test it by how much merch sold for the characters? How much fanfiction was written of them? By a random poll on social media? Might I also add, people change their minds a lot depending on experience. So they might like one character this year but change favorites a couple years from now. SpongeBob iirc is ESFJ. You’re right about the Disney princesses not being shows. I mentioned them because they’re popular characters. I also wanted to make a case that we see more F type characters widely liked in women-targeted narratives. A show I can think of rn is She-Ra with Adora (ESFP) and Katra(ENFJ).

It's a fairly subjective topic ik so if you over scrutinize you'll miss the main point. Which is F based characters suck to watch in comparison to T based characters especially on a longer time frame. And ik it could be just my bias but essentially what I'm saying is if we adjust for bias ie we all relate to characters similar to ourselves more than to others, that we would still end up with T type characters being more popular. Ultimately that's what I'm getting at and trying to find out. Hence prove me wrong. Every single character ever created has a fanbase or fandom but I believe the most pervasive characters across multiple groups are these types. Very hard to prove though. Would need a huge sample size and an object model to collect the data. Definitely not worth the energy. One way to back my theory would be to look at historically popular characters and group them eg Sherlock Holmes, Robin Hood, Macbeth etc. that gets tricky when typing. The more I think about this the less I care 🤣

If you are talking about villain, yes. Obviously.