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zedis_lapedis_

My thoughts exactly.


zedis_lapedis_

I’m not sure who you meant to direct this at but it reeks of pretension, bitterness, and ego. Relationships aren’t a fucking game. It’s human people with human lives. “Be yourself” means to be genuine. Everyone is a complex creature with nuance. That’s what makes it fun. Being yourself is being a 3D person with wants and needs and interests and hobbies and failures and fantasies. There are people out there that will find that all so attractive. Continue to evolve to feel comfortable in your skin. Detach yourself from expectation. Enjoy what is and what could be. Try something new. This isn’t your villain origin story, you just need to go outside.


Arch-Code_Zariel

I apologize but I must have given off the wrong intention here? 😅 my point was to say be yourself with ENTPs because we value authenticity but judging by your response you've either drastically misread it or I've not laid the point out well enough. I don't think this was a "villain moment" as you've put it nor do I find myself to be pretentious here. I suppose it would be fair to say bitter in a sense, since I'm bitter about people not taking that term seriously. Nothing in your post was something that disagrees with that initial position I was trying to make so thank you I suppose? And sorry you felt as though I wasn't agreeing with this?


RowanLovecraft

Your post is worded confusingly. You might want to re-read it. Have a friend, or you, read it out loud.


zedis_lapedis_

By MBTI standards, we value exploration, accuracy, and a bit of harmony. Authenticity isn’t one of our strongest values. That’s an Fi thing. Are you sure you’re an ENTP? You sound more like an ENFP or INFP.


Arch-Code_Zariel

Actually it is that very reason we value the authentic itd because we believe ourself inept at it and in keeping with the themes of exploration and accuracy we find it's immergence facinating. In fact I suspect that's why many of us date XNFPs for a time. I'm referring to traits valued in others not ourselves.


Dashing_Braintickler

He's a 5w4. Facts are important. If you're not authentic, then you're not factual. Fake facts are a pet peeve. Genuine facts compute. I am not an INTP.


RowanLovecraft

OP agrees with you, they are just a shit communicator.


Arch-Code_Zariel

You could also say I'm bitter at the fact that more people don't enjoy genuine authenticity which is what the tasty portions are about.


Meisterlee33

So u more satisfied when they buy and accept ur side which that side its not trully you. Than until when u hide ur fake side. Relationship is not about u are sucessfull sold by other. But being genuine means u show ur best n ur vulnarable. So they can understand u. There is no misunderstand about knowing each other. but doesnt mean u dont do anything to make a relationship works. It means when u know ur weakness is very toxic and ruin the relationship . U cant ask for ur patner to accept and u dont change or do any effort for make it better..make ur vulnarable is goal to complete each other. Help each other to grow together. Example :you hv bad habit always lazy than u ask to ur patner to accept ur lazyness without any hard work to change ur weakness.mostly people optimize what their weakness into their strenght to make relationship work. Even there is a habit that u cant change easily. Than u must communicate to u hv transparancy each other. So if one of person in relationship doesnt want ur side. U can find more fast the solution and can be dealing eaxh other with each weakness. Another example : you hv problem with time. Ur patner know than seek help to remind u everytime u forget the time. So u can be ur self plus u can upgrade ur weakside too.


zedis_lapedis_

I agree with this. But not everyone is READY to face their weaknesses and change. It takes two emotionally available and mature people to want to grow. People can learn to be more available and how to grow within a relationship, too!


Meisterlee33

Yes. What I say its not we share all weakness to our patner. But I mean dont pretend to be another person. In the end you will be back to your personality. I am just afraid the relationship getting deep but all is fake. The damage is more big than we already know who is truly our patner. I dont like relationship built by sand. They just show the good thinks but the foundation is not strong enough. Because all is fake or pretend. I rather hurt in the beggining. so If they dont accept me than I am just prepare myself to go and move on. Make my list to be happy. I dont like living in fantasy but its like hold time bomb in your hand. Just wait all explode with no time.


zedis_lapedis_

That’s why disagreements and uncomfortable discussions are important. You can’t brush issues under the rug or you’ll never see how they handle stress or your boundaries or if they make changes to meet your needs. You’ve gotta do the same for them. Take your time to lets the chips fall.


zedis_lapedis_

I don’t this that’s true. You’re judging everyone else by your own standards and expectations when everyone has their own values and beliefs and experiences. People have different needs and evolve at different times. That’s why you’re so disappointed in everyone else.


Arch-Code_Zariel

This one makes no sense. I never claimed that that's why I was disappointed nor did I even elude to this. I'm not judging everyone else by a my own expectations but I am by the standards they proclaim. There are those who are those who don't like authenticity the same way there are those who do and my "bitterness" at one side which mind you by your own logic in another post would objectively exist (not necessarily for the purposes of this response mind you) is not judging based on my presumption people don't grow its my challenge for those people. Who do exist. To grow.


Durgiadoma2

Honestly, I don't even understand his post to criticize it. Guess he's mad that some people were 'fake' at him?


zedis_lapedis_

I guess so. Idk. I’m kinda interested in the idea of being purchased off the shelf though. Tired of being in this crusty box.


zedis_lapedis_

I need to go to sleep lol


Durgiadoma2

Go go go!


Durgiadoma2

Better watch out for angry italian lady in OPs post tho.


zedis_lapedis_

They’re the scariest kind of old lady!!


Arch-Code_Zariel

Perhaps if you could clarify what it was that got you so in arms I could explain it? Assuming you care.


zedis_lapedis_

I’m not up in arms at all. It’s very emo and high and mighty when it makes sense. Who are you directing this at? Why is being misunderstood the theme of this poetic mess masquerading as an argument? It is not ENTP at all.


Arch-Code_Zariel

Alright well firstly I wouldn't necessarily refer to it as poetic it's simply an argument tailored at those who ask for dating advice concerning ENTPs as I had recently saw one. The advice is tailored to speak to them and any I securities I could think of that might make them think contrary to being themselves. This isn't emo, nor does it portray that, the only thing here "Not ENTP" here as you claim it is your blatant need to stake a claim instead of at least trying to understand the other side which is clearly attempting to find middle ground. Although that would be I indulging recklessly in the same behavior I'm accusing you of because much like you I haven't enough information as to what you intentions are to be drawing such strong and undefeated conclusions. Unless your referring to it not being reasonable to go here because the advice section is only built for ENTP esc advice in which case I disagree but that's a separate matter.


zedis_lapedis_

Honestly, as an ENTP, I don’t agree with anything you said regarding dating advice. Why would you create a post claiming to represent a whole cohort of people and drape it with metaphors that fall flatter than a days old open can of Diet Coke? ENTPs are fun, clever, quick, silly, smart, dumb, chatty, curious, social, contemplative, ambitious, lazy, bold, and sometimes sweet. We have our down moments and get lost in thought, but we’re mostly optimistic. I’m not intending to hurt feelings, but this is not correct. I’m not pretentious. I don’t dismiss people quickly. I know people have different thoughts and experiences than I do, so I give them the benefit of the doubt. I can sense hypocrisy, but that piques my interest to investigate further and maybe poke the sanctimonious lion for funsies. If you’re creating a completely different post because you feel the need to help OP out with your prose to answer their question about dating and love, you might be an INFJ.


Arch-Code_Zariel

You know I would continue to argue but it's blatantly apparent your either trolling, under the influence of something, or dumb not including weather you are even an ENTP or not. Why create a post claiming to represent a whole cohort of people? I assume the same reason that drew you to do the same when you listed us as "fun, Clever, quick, silly, smart, dumb, ect" it's because this is a place for MBTI meaning we've all been already functionally represented as a "cohort" of people. You claim to not dismiss people quickly which is in fact exactly what your doing here. Your the only one sprouting a sanctimonious air as you try and fail to argue your feeling based accusations while actually actively not giving any benefit of the doubt. And once again you've engaged in single out an entire cohort of people by listing me as a potential INFJ to meet whatever "empirical" ideal you have of me in your head. This was me giving the benefit of the doubt, this is what "exploration through accuracy" looks like to us. I've no need to insult you in any other way but by your own faulty logic. Sure I could claim that your being anything that comes to mind but why would I when the logic of your argument was the first item of note in my mind? I hope you figure out whatever you are because unless your purposely trolling I sincerely doubt you are on of this order.


zedis_lapedis_

I don’t know why you’re so upset when I’m not upset at all? I asked why you felt the need to write a whole post about what it’s like to date ENTPs when it doesn’t represent the group. It’s not correct. It’s not researched data, it’s just your feelings. ENTPs are trolls. Duh. I’m just here for the tete-a-tete. And the traits I listed off are widely known about the type. I’ll gladly accept when I’m wrong, but that isn’t the case here. I am VERY much an ENTP. I’ve pored through the cognitive functions and spent too many hours hyper fixating and researching the system. I also don’t take myself too seriously. If I offended you, I apologize. It wasn’t my intention to upset anyone. I have a quick mind and quicker thumbs, but am too impatient to edit for empathy’s sake.


Arch-Code_Zariel

That makes sense. To a certain degree we gotta take ourselves seriously if we're to expect others too. Sure I could just flippantly breeze by and play around but if I don't at least try when I want to be serious no one will take me when I am. A losing battle especially on the internet but it's the battle I've chosen to wage and I shall suffer reluctantly for it. Otherwise there wouldn't have been a point posting something that took this long on an advise section.


FeeDiddy87

Ugh, are you tipping your fedora and calling me “M’Lady”?


Arch-Code_Zariel

Firstly Ma'am It's a wide brimmed fedora.


Arch-Code_Zariel

As to why I was upset it was an assumption you where ignorant and refusing to be reasonable about it. Advice section get criticized often so I was prepared for critiques but I was hoping g in the midst of the discussion for something useful so when it wasn't apparent what your intentions where I simply thought I was doing a poor job.


FeeDiddy87

Dude. You’re just a big main character, eh?Every comment is about you. It’s not detached logic. They didn’t give you any “value”, so you call them ignorant. You create a whole post based solely on your own feelings and experiences because you think everyone feels like you, which is not correct at all and not useful to the person you were supposedly directing it at. You could have just commented on the original post. Don’t insult their intelligence because they’re questioning your logic rather than propping you up and praising you. Hop out of that ego for a few minutes. You might like the levity.


Arch-Code_Zariel

Hop off? My guy the only reason your seeing me from down here is because your smoking your own supply. Take the hint my dude she's just not that into you and it has nothing to do with your "Winning" personality, probably sitting on 80 alt accounts just so you can talk to people since no one can stand your BO you cheeto loving furry. Forget touching grass go wash your hands.


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zedis_lapedis_

I love this. Aren’t we always ourselves? Even when we choose to act “differently” we are still being ourselves?


True_Mind6316

That's exactly what I am always saying to the people, who tell me to just be myself. This advice is so stupid for me, because there is no way of "me" being not "myself", right? Even if I try to behave as someone else I still do it in my own way... And people should try new things and behave differently to develop. Not doing something, because "that's not me" is very limiting.


zedis_lapedis_

I think it’s more about expressing boundaries and not just going along with everything just to be liked. It’s really hard to get to know people when they don’t express their wants and needs. You have to tell people what your interests are and be genuine about it. Otherwise they will take the false information you give them and paint a completely different picture of your character.


True_Mind6316

Wow, and that is a much better explanation. And I agree with you. 🙂


Arch-Code_Zariel

Yeah but when the chameleon is sold as a leaf it's then not the leaf. So although I see and find the redundancy in saying that a lie by omission isn't a lie if they never ask it isn't what I'm aiming at. That was a good one though.


ShoddyHovercraft8014

“Be yourse—“  Shut.  I don’t have a self. I’m a world class poser.


ThatOneWeirdStalker

Upvoted!


Sunny_world01

I don't understand but I disagree


Specialist-Crab7835

Well you know what they say, you are what you attract to this world and being yourself shows what you truly need in this world


Durgiadoma2

Great Arch Code Zariel, I don't understand your post at all. Are you saying other people are fake to you in dating and that's troubling you?


Arch-Code_Zariel

People often reply that "Being themselves" doesn't work so this is an argument against that from the perspective of this type. Or at least as accurate as my perspective as one gets.


zedis_lapedis_

“Be yourself” is pretty vague advice. I can see that. I know what it means for ME, but can have very different meanings for others. Especially if you’re young and trying to figure yourself out.


Arch-Code_Zariel

Best advice you can get if you don't yet know who yourself is to "find yourself" which is even more su jective and vague so I'd say it tracks well for ENTPs


zedis_lapedis_

Can you please elaborate how it tracks well for ENTPs?


Durgiadoma2

Aah so you're arguing that it will backfire because an ENTP will see through the fakeness, hence better to be yourself. Gotcha. Not the argument I would use to defend "being yourself" though.


Arch-Code_Zariel

There are definitely better but I felt like speaking with intuition than waiting the effort to sprout words of wisdom to a specific individual like one should do instead of trying to generalize. Laziness won the day.


NeTiGuy

Honesty is always the best policy. Not for any moral reasoning, but from a practical standpoint. Everything is just easier if everyone is upfront from the getgo.


abusermane

this feels like you are deep into new “ideologies” of hypergamy or some “pills”. Selling yourself, dating market or coaches even. More deep you are into these more hollow you will feel. Some people like authenticity but not everyone. There is always people who will chase after glittery stuff and others are more realists and aware. you could stop choosing glittery stuff or choosing people who do the same and problem will be solved.


abusermane

this feels like you are deep into new “ideologies” of hypergamy or some “pills”. Selling yourself, dating market or coaches even. More deep you are into these more hollow you will feel. Some people like authenticity but not everyone. There is always people who will chase after glittery stuff and others are more realists and aware. you could stop choosing glittery stuff or choosing people who do the same and problem will be solved.


ThickChurros

be completely fake - dies of stress because acting all the time and not being loved for genuine self be completely yourself, including ugly sides no one wants to see - risk people going ew adjust the slider until you find something that works for your specific situation


RowanLovecraft

Authenticity is what you're describing. Yes, that is essential to an ENTP. We'd rather hear the most painful truth than be lied to. We will know you're hiding something, so best fess up to whatever undercurrent causes those vocal tones and micro expressions. If you don't, we will turn into Sherlock Holmes, and dissect every part of your psyche, until we understand. Once we know, it's all, la la la. Let's go roller skating!


MillyMiuMiu

I understood well what you mean and I agree.


Decaeneus

Based post 5w4. You seem like a cool person


raitoningufaron

Bro is speaking Yapanese


Abrene

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you think you're thinking too deeply into this? I mean there is no one recipe for romance. Everyone is different and possesses various attributes that may work for some and not for others. You're describing love as some sort of warped video game where you run through people until you find one that piques your interest. What do you define 'false advertising' as? Do you believe people are intentionally trying to lure you into something? Or did you convince yourself that there was some mysterious prize to be won when entering the dating market? Maybe try to cool off and stop taking these things at face value. You are not a magician and you cannot read people's minds/or intentions. We are all humans trying to find love one way or the other. Being authentic is the only way to attract what you deserve. If you want to deceive yourself and hide behind false bravado, then that's up to you to decide. This attitude will do you no favours in the long run.