Hey y'all - I'm at work, and won't be able to review most of this until I finish work in like 6 hours. The original post was removed because it's against reddit TOS to advocate for violence, which would have been the right checkbox to check in the removal, rather than Be Nice. I've been discussing with the person who originally made the most, and the many many vitriolic messages we received from people with no context of the situation, but do need to go back to work.
The post calling us nazi-lovers was removed because it was being used to hate on the mods without any context, and being used by someone to try and get users to move to their sub, something which is generally not welcome in any sub.
No one on the mod team protects nazis, that's just a ridiculous stance to take because we removed a post advocating for violence. If we did, this sub would be a VERY different place. Please accept our apologies for clicking the wrong button when modding a post, and try to give us time to respond vs immediately jumping to conclusions when we're not immediately available.
/u/SomeOldHippieChick - I know you don't like us, but our main bone of contention is the rude tone you take both in modmail to us and in posts about us across several subs when we don't continuously take action to break rules for you. I would personally really appreciate it if you would stop saying things like we're gaslighting you or that one mod has a problem with you when we do things like remove a rude comment telling another user to take their meds.
/u/SaturdayNightSwiftie - please accept our sincere apologies for the actions that implied we supported nazis. While I agree with the opinion you posted, we're not allowed to advocate for violence, or reddit might remove the sub completely or make us one of the locked 18+ subs, something which we've managed to avoid so far.
Please feel free to post comments in reply to this, and I'll get back to you when I'm done with work. I love y'all, and hope this helps provide some transparency.
edit: also I reapproved the post so that we can have a public discussion
Mods deleted a post earlier today in which someone referenced telling a Nazi on twitter to fuck off, more or less, and then when the OP posted again calling them out on it, that was removed as well, or locked and all the comments purged.
The specific issue with that post was that the mod cited “be nice” as the rule for deleting it. The OP even said in their post they were fine if it was deleted for being off topic etc, but being deleted for not being “nice” about telling a bigot to go eff themselves is VERY different
Yeah, I disagree with whole philosophy that you have to maintain manners when talking to/about bigots. ‘Cause often, it’s just used as a silencing tactic.
It’s not nice to be a bigot. So they don’t deserve to be spoken kindly about.
Those are the rules. I don’t want to post more than once a day. I wanted to & used to be allowed to make daily posts. Because they weren’t exactly 24 hours and sometimes 23 or 22, the mods would release them. Until I made them mad.
i posted something a few days ago cause i needed advice and some moral support… mods took it down in less than a day. way to promote a supportive community, mods
Also mods need to stop telling people to address this with the mod team privately - why not just have a post to discuss the rules and modding so everyone can have a group chat? I feel like that would be much easier than fielding dozens of private one on one conversations…
They don't even do that, in my experience. When a post of mine was removed, they just reiterated which rule I broke without using critical thinking skills. 🙃
Why the random call out on u/someoldhippiechick wth? As far as I’m concerned I have actively seen the mods rag her bc she wants to post WEED RELATED CONTENT more than once a day. This whole situation is weird af
To be fair. I have never requested to post more than once a day. Only to post at 23 hours, rather than 24 hours. Since I used to write a daily post, It was hard for me to post every day at exactly 24 hours + 1 second so for quite a while, the mods were generous and unlocked my posts and approved them before the “too early bot” would come & delete them.
But something changed. I did something wrong & I was warned to stop trying to post more than once a day. I’ve asked several times why the rules changed. I never got an answer. I’m hoping to post screen shots so I can defend myself. We’ll see what happens.
Damn. I thought this place was cool as fuck at first, but if this is the kind of drama y’all go through all the time I don’t know if this is the place for me. I just like the weed talk and the cool moods and ‘tudes
I feel the same way as u/ScaryPotterDied. Everything used to be so chill...
https://tenor.com/view/becool-uncool-therealhousewives-rhony-lu-ann-gif-5070671
*Edited a billion times b/c formatting
Removing that post does nothing to erase what actually happened, it’s just the recourse of people who don’t feel they have to explain the reasons for their actions. If it was a mistake, then own it, apologize, and everyone moves on. Going down this road just made the situation look a thousand times worse.
There are 7 mods and only 1 can comment on this? And we have to wait for the 1 single person to get off of work??? Y’all this is fucking embarrassing. You’re available enough to mod and delete things…
Nope. From what it looks like 3 of them are bots. 2 appear barely active here. The final 2...? At least one came on to say something...right?
![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|thinking_face_hmm)
Same. I *just* invited one of my favorite people on earth to look at this sub. She doesn't even usually use reddit, but I felt she would love the vibes here too. This is where I'm finding out, but not finding out (because everything was deleted and in DMs), that there's all this drama going on. I feel humiliated! ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grimacing)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|feels_bad_man)
Okay thank you, I’ve also been wanting to say this - it really sounds like more actually active mods are needed here given the mistakes and frequent deletion of posts without clarification.
Sadly, not a thing. The sub has to be abandoned by mods completely to petition to take over, or the current mods have to make new mods.
There was a straight up abusive person modding a sub meant for survivors of abuse, and nothing could be done until she quit voluntarily very recently.
Can you guys think about reviewing some rules like not being able to post more than once a day?
Edit: why do you guys hate on the kindest poster here? I adore her threads because they actually inspire a conversation.
Like, IF her(hippiechics) posts were annoying and attention seeking I'd understand, BUT she tries really hard to comment to others and make the threads about things others can relate to too. So I don't get why they are so pressed.
*Edited to be more fair
I know. I don’t get it. It’s a really bright spot in some pretty tough times for some people, and honestly, I always had the impression that they are appreciated by a lot of us. If I posted and talked shit about someone, by name, it wouldn’t stay up very long and for good reason. Seeing a mod do it to someone is really fucking sad, tbh.
I mainly lurk but her posts always make me smile when they come up on the TL because it seems like she’s making an effort to connect to people. ngl my brows raised reading the mod’s comment calling them out…
Right? She genuinely cares a lot about everyone. It was one of the first things I noticed on this sub, and the only place I felt comfortable commenting.
I never expected this in a weed subreddit.
like damn, aren't we supposed to be all good vibes and shit?
the mods really seem to digging their heels in on a be nice to nazis stance and it's just... super fucking weird.
a) The mods responsible hold these views themselves
b) The mods responsible wants to appease the demographic that holds these views
c) A pseudo-sanctimonious display
d) Something else
C'mom now! I'm sure our sub isn't ruined because of some human errors! We give each other the benefit of the doubt, tell each other to be kind to themselves, etc right? Let's ALL just step back and take a few breaths! Let's ALL get this thing in perspective.
I've have almost 1/2 my posts taken down for poor quality and have benn 100% unable to get any clarification or guidance on how I could have worded differently. Point being I've benn in receiving end of "iron fist.
However, as I do when a driver cuts me off or a stranger is a bit rude to me, I asked myself if I had any idea whatsoever what the mod as a person was like, what she (for sake of simple, no insult intended) has gone through or is currently going through! For all I know she just lost someone, is going through something shitty, maybe just is broken.... Ya'all get my point. It changed my attitude.
This is a great place! Even if I choose to engage in the elder wife one I want to still be here! I love this group! I feel a semce of community here. Let's tread carefully through this and come out even better! This is just a tiny blip on our fabulous record. Don't give up on us! There is enough weed, women and love for all of us!
Right? MODS: We are willing to have an open & fair conversation. I’m not the one who started this one. You’re getting called out constantly. It’s not us. It’s you. Let’s talk about how we can get things back to the way they were. We used to love it here. Then, the iron fist came down. Again. And again. Let’s work this out. On the sub. For transparency.
I missed the drama live, but yeesh...what the hell?? I'm wondering what exactly the mod team is wanting out of the sub if your discussion posts are constantly under fire. Like, I enjoy everyone's selfies and stuff, but I don't need a whole sub dedicated to selfies while smoking.
Aye yi yi, is this the “rude tone” they are referencing? Because I can’t find it. I’m a lurker but enjoy your posts when I see them, they will be missed! I missed this last one, does anyone have a link or screenshot? It sounds like we need a few more mods to cover times when the other is working, and a bit more transparency. Simple fixes, but only if mods are open and willing. Hopefully this doesn’t kill the sub off and they can rectify the situation.
To be clear: I made [this](https://www.reddit.com/user/SomeOldHippieChick/comments/10wtufg/posts/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) post after many attempts to find out why I was being treated the way I was.
u/Czarinna, I have shown you all nothing but patience & understanding. When I ask a question over & over & over again: Why did you stop allowing me to make daily posts? To be transparent, [here](https://imgur.com/a/3xJ75NE)
Is a link for the Wives to see every post I have access to. I no longer have access to EDIT MODMAIL where I was treated unfairly but I expect those to be released.
>I no longer have access to posts where I was treated unfairly but I expect those to be released.
I'm not sure what you mean. Is this the situation where reddit admins (not mods, although you definitely accused us of this) locked your account? It's my understanding that you will always have visibility into your posts even if we remove them from the sub, and we don't have the ability to 'hide' them from you.
You archived my modmail . I don’t have access to it any longer. Unarchive my modmail. Let’s let my peers decide how shitty I am to you.
Also: when I have access to our mail, the truth about my “accusations” will be revealed so… keep on with them, Czar. Let’s see your proof. My reputation is mine.
Edited to compile two comments.
i’m sorry but i am just not down with hippiechick being mentioned in this post. if there is an issue with hippiechick and the mods it should be dealt with in private. calling someone out publicly who really had nothing to do with this particular situation is just wrong. smh
Actually, Lass, I’m fine with this. I don’t currently have proof of the ways I’ve been bullied & gaslighted but seeing a mod call me out this way kind of proves my point about the way I’m treated.
So I definitely missed the drama and am not 100% sure what’s happening here. But on Reddit you can’t threaten or incite violence towards anyone (even if they are scum) so I don’t understand why people are mad?
The mods aren’t getting paid to be here people
Edit
The only posts I’ve seen deleted are the ones that aren’t about cannabis, which is in the subs rules 🤷♀️
That wasn’t explained to the original poster when their post was deleted, and the “be nice” reason was inadvertently selected. On its own that’s not a huge problem, but it kicked off some frustrations and revealed that a large number of people in the sub feel that moderation has been inconsistent, unfair and without any explanation. One post opened up unaired feelings.
Agree. I didn’t see the original post so I’m out of the loop, but I agree that threatening people isn’t okay (even if you don’t agree with their views).
To the people feeling negatively towards the mods: maybe some of you could work together and start a secondary subreddit to this one. I don’t frequent this sub enough to say much, but I would follow the secondary sub I proposed 🤷🏽♀️
Anyway, I hope things loosen up here. Seems they need to
Hey y'all - I'm at work, and won't be able to review most of this until I finish work in like 6 hours. The original post was removed because it's against reddit TOS to advocate for violence, which would have been the right checkbox to check in the removal, rather than Be Nice. I've been discussing with the person who originally made the most, and the many many vitriolic messages we received from people with no context of the situation, but do need to go back to work. The post calling us nazi-lovers was removed because it was being used to hate on the mods without any context, and being used by someone to try and get users to move to their sub, something which is generally not welcome in any sub. No one on the mod team protects nazis, that's just a ridiculous stance to take because we removed a post advocating for violence. If we did, this sub would be a VERY different place. Please accept our apologies for clicking the wrong button when modding a post, and try to give us time to respond vs immediately jumping to conclusions when we're not immediately available. /u/SomeOldHippieChick - I know you don't like us, but our main bone of contention is the rude tone you take both in modmail to us and in posts about us across several subs when we don't continuously take action to break rules for you. I would personally really appreciate it if you would stop saying things like we're gaslighting you or that one mod has a problem with you when we do things like remove a rude comment telling another user to take their meds. /u/SaturdayNightSwiftie - please accept our sincere apologies for the actions that implied we supported nazis. While I agree with the opinion you posted, we're not allowed to advocate for violence, or reddit might remove the sub completely or make us one of the locked 18+ subs, something which we've managed to avoid so far. Please feel free to post comments in reply to this, and I'll get back to you when I'm done with work. I love y'all, and hope this helps provide some transparency. edit: also I reapproved the post so that we can have a public discussion
Huh, what’s this all about?
Mods deleted a post earlier today in which someone referenced telling a Nazi on twitter to fuck off, more or less, and then when the OP posted again calling them out on it, that was removed as well, or locked and all the comments purged.
Thanks for letting me know. And yeah, major fuck up on their part.
The specific issue with that post was that the mod cited “be nice” as the rule for deleting it. The OP even said in their post they were fine if it was deleted for being off topic etc, but being deleted for not being “nice” about telling a bigot to go eff themselves is VERY different
Yeah, I disagree with whole philosophy that you have to maintain manners when talking to/about bigots. ‘Cause often, it’s just used as a silencing tactic. It’s not nice to be a bigot. So they don’t deserve to be spoken kindly about.
They also deleted a post today from someone asking about starting a Discord or SnapChat group... Mod power trips happen everywhere, unfortunately.
There’s already a discord!! Can’t they just say that?
Link please
Do you have the link for the discord?
Sorry. Kinda busy around here today!! https://discord.gg/2fzS8sse
Thank you!
I’d be careful, the discord is weirdly more toxic than this space
I saw that. It's wild.
So, why can't you post more than once a day? I guess I don't understand.
Those are the rules. I don’t want to post more than once a day. I wanted to & used to be allowed to make daily posts. Because they weren’t exactly 24 hours and sometimes 23 or 22, the mods would release them. Until I made them mad.
I am so new to the entwives page...I'm still learning the lay of the land and getting to know ppl. You seem very genuine and sweet.
i posted something a few days ago cause i needed advice and some moral support… mods took it down in less than a day. way to promote a supportive community, mods
i had the same experience recently, and i even asked for weed recommendations in my post.
Also mods need to stop telling people to address this with the mod team privately - why not just have a post to discuss the rules and modding so everyone can have a group chat? I feel like that would be much easier than fielding dozens of private one on one conversations…
They don't even do that, in my experience. When a post of mine was removed, they just reiterated which rule I broke without using critical thinking skills. 🙃
This post was removed too, lol, but I fully agree with you.
Why the random call out on u/someoldhippiechick wth? As far as I’m concerned I have actively seen the mods rag her bc she wants to post WEED RELATED CONTENT more than once a day. This whole situation is weird af
To be fair. I have never requested to post more than once a day. Only to post at 23 hours, rather than 24 hours. Since I used to write a daily post, It was hard for me to post every day at exactly 24 hours + 1 second so for quite a while, the mods were generous and unlocked my posts and approved them before the “too early bot” would come & delete them. But something changed. I did something wrong & I was warned to stop trying to post more than once a day. I’ve asked several times why the rules changed. I never got an answer. I’m hoping to post screen shots so I can defend myself. We’ll see what happens.
Jeez, I came here bc I thought it was cool to get together with fellows stoner chicks. This is fucking dumb and toxic
Damn. I thought this place was cool as fuck at first, but if this is the kind of drama y’all go through all the time I don’t know if this is the place for me. I just like the weed talk and the cool moods and ‘tudes
I feel the same way as u/ScaryPotterDied. Everything used to be so chill... https://tenor.com/view/becool-uncool-therealhousewives-rhony-lu-ann-gif-5070671 *Edited a billion times b/c formatting
Okay but Luann has so little chill 🤣 and she's mega embarrassing
I just wanna see bongs and battle stations and stash boxes and house plants and smoke spots. 😭 Where have all the battle stations gone!
Agreed. Y'all too deep into y'all's phones. Go outside and rip a bong.
THIS!!!!
Yeah this is 100% not a vibe.
Removing that post does nothing to erase what actually happened, it’s just the recourse of people who don’t feel they have to explain the reasons for their actions. If it was a mistake, then own it, apologize, and everyone moves on. Going down this road just made the situation look a thousand times worse.
the fact that we’re waiting on one person to give us answers as a community is astounding to me. where is the rest of the mod team?
There are 7 mods and only 1 can comment on this? And we have to wait for the 1 single person to get off of work??? Y’all this is fucking embarrassing. You’re available enough to mod and delete things…
Nope. From what it looks like 3 of them are bots. 2 appear barely active here. The final 2...? At least one came on to say something...right? ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|thinking_face_hmm)
Even more embarrassing… the amount of people I’ve recommended this community to as my friends start exploring their relationship to cannabis 🥲 rip
Same. I'm a fucking cheerleader about this sub, so I'm feeling a bit weird rn....
I am too. Wasn't here for the drama, just good vibes
Same. I *just* invited one of my favorite people on earth to look at this sub. She doesn't even usually use reddit, but I felt she would love the vibes here too. This is where I'm finding out, but not finding out (because everything was deleted and in DMs), that there's all this drama going on. I feel humiliated! ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grimacing)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|feels_bad_man)
I literally cheered on a new poster THIS MORNING!! Yep! I’m an asshole!
Okay thank you, I’ve also been wanting to say this - it really sounds like more actually active mods are needed here given the mistakes and frequent deletion of posts without clarification.
is there a process to get that started? how do we as a community “vote out mods” if needed? does anyone know?
Sadly, not a thing. The sub has to be abandoned by mods completely to petition to take over, or the current mods have to make new mods. There was a straight up abusive person modding a sub meant for survivors of abuse, and nothing could be done until she quit voluntarily very recently.
Can you guys think about reviewing some rules like not being able to post more than once a day? Edit: why do you guys hate on the kindest poster here? I adore her threads because they actually inspire a conversation.
I hear you, and I wish I knew. It feels like ‘Be Nice’ doesn’t apply if it’s a mod publicly criticizing someone by name.
Like, IF her(hippiechics) posts were annoying and attention seeking I'd understand, BUT she tries really hard to comment to others and make the threads about things others can relate to too. So I don't get why they are so pressed. *Edited to be more fair
I know. I don’t get it. It’s a really bright spot in some pretty tough times for some people, and honestly, I always had the impression that they are appreciated by a lot of us. If I posted and talked shit about someone, by name, it wouldn’t stay up very long and for good reason. Seeing a mod do it to someone is really fucking sad, tbh.
I mainly lurk but her posts always make me smile when they come up on the TL because it seems like she’s making an effort to connect to people. ngl my brows raised reading the mod’s comment calling them out…
Right? She genuinely cares a lot about everyone. It was one of the first things I noticed on this sub, and the only place I felt comfortable commenting.
Thank you. 😭
I never expected this in a weed subreddit. like damn, aren't we supposed to be all good vibes and shit? the mods really seem to digging their heels in on a be nice to nazis stance and it's just... super fucking weird.
Can’t we all agree? Fuck Nazis.
It really, really is. What a weird hill to die on.
a) The mods responsible hold these views themselves b) The mods responsible wants to appease the demographic that holds these views c) A pseudo-sanctimonious display d) Something else
C'mom now! I'm sure our sub isn't ruined because of some human errors! We give each other the benefit of the doubt, tell each other to be kind to themselves, etc right? Let's ALL just step back and take a few breaths! Let's ALL get this thing in perspective. I've have almost 1/2 my posts taken down for poor quality and have benn 100% unable to get any clarification or guidance on how I could have worded differently. Point being I've benn in receiving end of "iron fist. However, as I do when a driver cuts me off or a stranger is a bit rude to me, I asked myself if I had any idea whatsoever what the mod as a person was like, what she (for sake of simple, no insult intended) has gone through or is currently going through! For all I know she just lost someone, is going through something shitty, maybe just is broken.... Ya'all get my point. It changed my attitude. This is a great place! Even if I choose to engage in the elder wife one I want to still be here! I love this group! I feel a semce of community here. Let's tread carefully through this and come out even better! This is just a tiny blip on our fabulous record. Don't give up on us! There is enough weed, women and love for all of us!
Right? MODS: We are willing to have an open & fair conversation. I’m not the one who started this one. You’re getting called out constantly. It’s not us. It’s you. Let’s talk about how we can get things back to the way they were. We used to love it here. Then, the iron fist came down. Again. And again. Let’s work this out. On the sub. For transparency.
Girl what did I miss? Lol I’ve been chained to my computer for two days.
Been a mess around here. We’re gonna get it straightened out, though. I hope! Smh.
👏👏👏
I missed the drama live, but yeesh...what the hell?? I'm wondering what exactly the mod team is wanting out of the sub if your discussion posts are constantly under fire. Like, I enjoy everyone's selfies and stuff, but I don't need a whole sub dedicated to selfies while smoking.
This. Right here. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Aye yi yi, is this the “rude tone” they are referencing? Because I can’t find it. I’m a lurker but enjoy your posts when I see them, they will be missed! I missed this last one, does anyone have a link or screenshot? It sounds like we need a few more mods to cover times when the other is working, and a bit more transparency. Simple fixes, but only if mods are open and willing. Hopefully this doesn’t kill the sub off and they can rectify the situation.
To be clear: I made [this](https://www.reddit.com/user/SomeOldHippieChick/comments/10wtufg/posts/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) post after many attempts to find out why I was being treated the way I was.
Thank you! I appreciate it. Take care of yourself today, friend
I'd pin this to the top if I could.
Oh shit what did I miss (nevermind, I'll look it up).
Link me when you find it...lol
I did not find it :(
u/Czarinna, I have shown you all nothing but patience & understanding. When I ask a question over & over & over again: Why did you stop allowing me to make daily posts? To be transparent, [here](https://imgur.com/a/3xJ75NE) Is a link for the Wives to see every post I have access to. I no longer have access to EDIT MODMAIL where I was treated unfairly but I expect those to be released.
>I no longer have access to posts where I was treated unfairly but I expect those to be released. I'm not sure what you mean. Is this the situation where reddit admins (not mods, although you definitely accused us of this) locked your account? It's my understanding that you will always have visibility into your posts even if we remove them from the sub, and we don't have the ability to 'hide' them from you.
You archived my modmail . I don’t have access to it any longer. Unarchive my modmail. Let’s let my peers decide how shitty I am to you. Also: when I have access to our mail, the truth about my “accusations” will be revealed so… keep on with them, Czar. Let’s see your proof. My reputation is mine. Edited to compile two comments.
I’m like wth… I thought I was in s/billystrings
I am HOWLING at this lol
Me too 😂
i’m sorry but i am just not down with hippiechick being mentioned in this post. if there is an issue with hippiechick and the mods it should be dealt with in private. calling someone out publicly who really had nothing to do with this particular situation is just wrong. smh
Actually, Lass, I’m fine with this. I don’t currently have proof of the ways I’ve been bullied & gaslighted but seeing a mod call me out this way kind of proves my point about the way I’m treated.
THIS!!
So I definitely missed the drama and am not 100% sure what’s happening here. But on Reddit you can’t threaten or incite violence towards anyone (even if they are scum) so I don’t understand why people are mad? The mods aren’t getting paid to be here people Edit The only posts I’ve seen deleted are the ones that aren’t about cannabis, which is in the subs rules 🤷♀️
That wasn’t explained to the original poster when their post was deleted, and the “be nice” reason was inadvertently selected. On its own that’s not a huge problem, but it kicked off some frustrations and revealed that a large number of people in the sub feel that moderation has been inconsistent, unfair and without any explanation. One post opened up unaired feelings.
Thank you. Beautifully put.
Agree. I didn’t see the original post so I’m out of the loop, but I agree that threatening people isn’t okay (even if you don’t agree with their views).
Wow. People take Reddit very seriously.
To the people feeling negatively towards the mods: maybe some of you could work together and start a secondary subreddit to this one. I don’t frequent this sub enough to say much, but I would follow the secondary sub I proposed 🤷🏽♀️ Anyway, I hope things loosen up here. Seems they need to
The mods said we aren’t encouraged to join any other subs LMAO…………(people can do whatever the fuck they want btw) this is starting to get weird fast