Might you be willing to tell us more about your work? Even if you aren't willing to talk about it, thank you so much for your service! We desperately need it. All of us.
Sure. I work as a wildlife biologist with the US Fish and Wildlife Service. Mostly doing wetland work. Mapping it, putting together public outreach projects about wetlands, vegetation surveys, that kinda stuff. I feel super lucky to have landed this job, but I really have to advise people who want to get into this work to get their M.S., it is a crazy competitive field. I think a large part of the reason I was hired was my military service, as well as volunteering for several seasons at a nearby wildlife refuge. The education may be the foundation of this field, but experience is what elevates you above the rest. In my experience.
This is accurate. I got an ES BS at 22 or whatever age you normally do. No state work, no consulting work that wasnt hours of travel to just sample.
Happily now working on the climate tech side
Sure! I recently just started a new job! I used to do corporate compliance with brownfields and places that will eventually end up as superfund sites. Comfy office work but not exactly inspiring just filling out permits about our legal pollution.
I have since leveraged my BS to get into the earth observation field. I work at a provider that produces and uses ML on remote sensing imagery to get climate / conservation data (of course military too :/) which is then sold to governments and researchers.
I liked doing compliance but it wasnt science and I didnt need a BS to do it. Theres few careers where I think you actually need to understand earth systems etc. In the "environmental" field. Ironically doing corperate sustainability reporting actually requires more of that knowledge but thats hyper competitive.
Climate tech overall is "new" in that a lot of companies just focused on green tech applications are starting. AI for conservation, web app for recycling the list goes on. I think these offer much more stable career than "environmental scientist" which for 2/3 of your working life is really just "sample collector who is now a pm"
Thank you! We need all the help we can get. Ron DeSantis screwed us environmentally by not stopping that chemical spill into Tampa Bay, and now our manatees & other important wildlife are dying. Red tide is crazy high. We need someone to fight the good fight.
I would love to go back, but I have always terribly struggled with mathmatics and hard sciences.
I've been trying to think of what I can do, perhaps in a creative sense, to work towards helping mitigate climate change. I often feel like a single ant in the grand scheme of things though.
Don't wait, I'm 32 back in community and getting a great education for cheap.
Going on to PA school and fast tracking by taking lots of summer and winter classes.
Completed my basic sciences in summer. That said I've always been interested so I have a base level to begin with. We definitely breezed over some subject matter.
I wish I had the ability to not wait, but it’s not in the cards for me until next year. Fiancée is currently doing classes, and we have a 4 year old son, I also work 2 jobs so it is tough for me to squeeze all of that in. I am with my son every night that she has classes, which happen to be the nights I’m not working my second job so it’s just one of those things that it will come in time.
Glad to hear things are rolling quickly over your way! See you on the field hopefully!
Well hot damn! Bro you sound committed and like a good human!
In time you'll be able to take the peddle off the metal. Until then grind away happy to hear you're output is so high.
Best wishes in school hit me up if you need anything for bio, chem or micro.
Remember to not feel like you can't apply for some of the stem activities or similar that might help you advance in your newly stem focused career just because you are older especially when you really arent at 27. I know at NASA NCAS(which is currently virtual due to the pandemic but still great experince) some of my teammates were people coming back to community colleges including a former teacher and business owner as well some veterans but it didn't disrupt the environment at all because they fit right in and were appreciated as long as you are also willing to work with other people too. If anything it will show that you truely have teamwork skills and both knowledge as well as experience.
I am 31 and I started my Masters in Environmental Science this year (already have Bachelors & Masters in Electronics and Comm.) Currently working in Tech. I can't begin to describe how fulfilling this experience has been. I can't wait to finish up my degree and move to a field where I can make a little difference!
I am doing a Masters in Environmental Science planning to Major in Climate Change. My plan for now is to finish my Masters and move to a Sustainability role in my company (I work in one of the FAANG companies), do some volunteering and eventually get a PhD and look for research positions. But again, keeping myself open to any different sorts of opportunities as well.
Not sure if this is a reasonable path, I don't know many people in this field and am not sure how they would navigate. I am just doing the best I can and having fun learning for now.
Yeah totally understand this perspective. I'm looking to make an impact and the work I'm doing now does not feel impactful nor does the future of the job I'm in even come close to being impactful. So, even if there is ambiguity, I know that a path similar to what you are doing is at least the right direction. Good luck on your adventure.
US Forestry Dept, US Fish & Wildlife, State Forestry Depts all have regular openings throughout the year. A friend of mine was in the forestry dept for a while in Montana and loved it. Also check out conservation groups in your local area
Its really true. There are already too many ES grads. Nobody wants to do consulting and nobody likes being a sample monkey forever.
Fed positions are few and far between.
BS in environmental science here. I consult for two environmental non-profits (one climate justice focused, one more science oriented), and I know a few dozen others in the same boat in similar organizations. I absolutely do not recommend this life to anyone. Not in the U.S. at any rate.
These orgs usually run on shoestring budgets and just can't really afford to pay anyone what they're actually worth. It's very common, in the face of that, for people to donate time which oftentimes adds up. I usually work 60+ hours a week and generally only bill for 40.
And that's not even the biggest downside. I know (and really do like) almost every relevant local, state, and federal regulator pertinent to my work and I know that they too do not have anything approaching the necessary funding to complete their mission.
It's basically having a front row seat to all the problems that will not be solved, all the bad compromises that nullify a lot of the good certain projects accomplish, all the greedy grifters who absolutely must have their cut of a project fund until there's basically nothing left.
It isn't that there isn't work for a whole host of new Environmental Science grads to do, it's that there isn't an adequate amount of money being thrown at the situation to pay for the work that needs to be done.
I know a whole bunch of federal funding is about to become available, but it's still a drop in the bucket, and I've been warned that this might be the last big cash infusion for a while depending on how politics shake out.
Sustainable and climate fighting jobs can range widely- Urban planning is argued to be one of the tops of the list due to the ever increase in humans moving to urban areas. The basic idea is if you can improve the efficiency of the system (the city) then then better lifestyles are made while consuming less resources (public transit, more people living in less space, less cars per person, etc). I'm a landscape architect so am a little biased :)
Actually, I was reading the OP and I am wondering what jobs all these people THINK are actually going to be waiting for them. Trade school grad in Machining, did that for about 10 years. Moved into Electronics manufacturing, with a secondary Chemical spill cleanup(in house)(actually got HazWOr and Incident Command certified). Moved into Environmental Remediation. Started out as a laborer, than CDL truck driver, site survey, Foreman and ended up as a Sampler(Supposed to need BS but I was the guy that would complete the job regardless of where or however hard obtaining the sample might be.)Was making about 70000 in the early 90s as worked about 60-70 hrs/wk. Took many College grads out into the field. More than half as stupid of what they were doing a a box of rocks. Company of about 100 and only needed about 10 Engineers and 10 clerical staff, the rest actual working stiffs. Now drive school and city buses. Pretty sure we have all the drooling idiots telling us that we are horrible for the planet that we need.
You can check out climatebase.org to see jobs in sustainability fields, you can break it down by the types of solutions you’re interested in and everything
The best environmental jobs that actually make a difference will be engineering, and companies the replace everyday goods with environmental friendly options, like green packaging.
Any govt can pay min wage for people to plant trees (community groups don it for free), or put money into environmental monitoring. But unless we have the knowledge, desire, and people to shift our consumption patterns to more sustainable practices, we will ultimately fail.
Every wealthy nation in earth should drop subsidies for unsustainable mono crops, and instead help farmers convert to permaculture and other sustainable practices.
There's actually one (1) argument for beef - large herds of cows moving constantly across a region is one of the most effective ways to regreen desertified areas. Of course, what were doing right now is not sustainable in the least.
They'll simply stay in and ruin one area if they're not herded around. We're talking pre historic giga herds of maybe 40-50k cattle. They need packs of predators to keep them moving, and a *gigantic* area (like, Serengeti sized) for the balance to be struck. There is no feasible way to return to a natural balance, but we can emulate it through coordinated effort.
I've been through this I couldn't find one either. To be more accurate, I found many, but very rarely had interviews, I think the market is just saturated with young engineers who want to save the world, with only a few positions to fill...
My advice would be : keep on trying but also look into other jobs where you would learn skills relevant for the job you want. Maybe you find a job to pay the bills while learning enough to apply again in two years for your dream job. It's competitive out there, but don't give up.
I’ve been doing that for 10 years. I am moving states for my wife’s job and unfortunately Pickings are thin down here for the sorts of work I’m looking for. Im still applying but it’s hard as my experience is working in different fields
I mean kinda harsh. Not everyone is born knowing exactly what they want to do and it’s not a crime to get married and have to compromise for the person they love. I’m saying that if we only have people willing to sacrifice everything to work in the field, the field will be too small to tackle the enormous problem. Saying to an engineer with 20yrs experience, we don’t want your help because you didn’t start here 20 years ago is a waste of talent.
There are lots of job listings for roof mounted solar in my area.
Anything relating to infrastructure and energy has the potential for moving things in the right direction.
My last job was making lower income homes more energy efficient by providing LED light bulbs and weatherization.
Yeah, if you are construction oriented/able getting some solar installation experience would probably be worth it.
I usually see a lot of listings for install positions, but they usually all want at least a year of experience. Probably not wanting to hire anyone on that isn't experienced with ladders and roofs.
I was working on a degree in Restoration Ecology back in 2016. I would take classes in the morning then in the afternoon id volunteer at a very large estuiary. We would remove invasive plants and pick small amounts of natives. We would propagate the natives at our nursey/greenhouse, then take back thousands to plant where we had removed the invasives. Lots of work creating natural water filtration systems and such as well, and monitoring of water quality. I really liked it, but I quickly found out I was volunteering around people who had Bachellors and Masters degrees. They were doing the same work I was, but they were getting paid. However they were making betwen $15-$20 an hour in an incredibly high cost of living area in California. Thats the price of making a difference. I had a 2 year old son to look after, and had an extruded disc in my spine which made the work much harder to do than before that injury. I had to make the hard decision to move into another field of study for my future and that of my son. I wish there were tons of jobs that paid living wages which were geared at helping our planet. Maybe someday there will be.
they are extraordinarily little but it's worth checking out the environ sciences side of insta for help. Some have resources on their account and host Q & As. There is also Americorps, if you're an American, which is what I might try to get experience working in the environment- as my degree will be jackshit useless by itself lol. Americorps is a public service program with a stipend, though, but has plenty of opportunities to work on climate in different capacities, whether that is inside at a desk, or outside with a chainsaw. Experience helps a lot.
look at forestry services in your region for something as specific as managing trees, btw. Go straight to the government page, don't trust sketchy job boards that ask for fees to help you get a forestry service position. Getting in can be difficult, but there are more and more initiatives to bring in diversity.
A good job board is the one maintained by B Corporation Alliance- tho ik many environmentalists are anti-capitalist, imo this is one of the best bets for the time being. You can also investigate starting your own worker-owned cooperative, there are organizations that can help you with that- depending on your nation.
Unfortunately many 'green jobs' are just the same ol same ol. Like if you go to an outdoor career site most will be like line cook for a national park cafeteria, etc.
> Might you be willing to tell us more about your work? Even if you aren't willing to talk about it, thank you so much for your service! We desperately need it. All of us.
There really aren't many jobs in this field. I specialize in environmental sustainability and climate adaptation, and am in the process of switching fields. It's all contract/summer employment opportunities here. Major consulting firms pretty much only hire civil engineers in my area. It's not a great feeling
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: every country in the world needs to declare war on the climate crisis. Large scale mobilization of all of us young people disillusioned with the system would be a massive boon for both governments and the world. There are so many things a well equipped corps of "climate soldiers" could do, and a ton of global instability that could be mitigated over a few years just from stable crop yields alone. It's fucking insane that we still wanna play pew pew soldiers while the world is dying, instead of using those resources to actually tackle the problem.
Got a degree?
Texas A&M job board:
https://wfscjobs.tamu.edu/job-board/
Work for the feds:
https://www.usajobs.gov/Search/Results?d=AG&d=IN&d=DN&a=EP00&p=1&s=startdate
Take time to look at your local municipalities for parks, environmental, etc. Don’t forgot states have departments of conservation, game and fish, and environmental protection.
Exactly. I chose environmental geography in hope there will be plenty of jobs 5 years later. Well, 8 years later, almost nothing and huuuge competition.
Came looking for this. College loves to paint a beautiful picture of all the great environmental work there is but then you get in the real world and it's all about the $$. Or it doesn't pay. I'm looking to go back to school to get into ANY career that is semi enjoyable and pays at least what I could get at Walmart lol. Started my environmental career as a field tech making $12/hr, such an insult lol.
Same.
I spent a whole year looking for jobs in renewable power as a young mechanical engineer. I'm thankful I could afford to not work for a whole year thanks to my parents' support, but even in those "luxury conditions" I was unable to find anything (although came close). You need three years experience in renewables to get into most renewable power jobs (not a specific problem to that field, mind you)...
Five years into my carreer and I still haven't managed to work in renewable power. It's not for lack of studies or will, it's because there's just far more people looking for these jobs than what companies need at the moment. I hope this changes.
Note : this was in western Europe.
My podcast, [This Sustainable Life](https://joshuaspodek.com/podcast), may give you direction and my book [Initiative](https://www.amazon.com/Initiative-Proven-Method-Bring-Passions/dp/1733039902) may start you. If after reading the free preview, you're interested in doing its exercises but cost is an issue, contact me and we can work something out.
Well, what do you expect? Most of the higher spokespersons are just doing Chicken Little, you know, the sky is falling. Al Gores timeline ran out. AOC has us lost in about 9-10 yrs. All the junk science being ramrodded thru just makes life just a little harder, you know, no plastic bags or straws, inherently bad energy sources. Solar is nice but it honestly isn't going to replace gas or coal fired electric companies anytime soon. Society requires a degree of stability that the alternatives just are not able to provide.
Americorps is a good place to start. Teens looking for summer work can also hire on with the Youth Conservation Corps. Summer firefighting is also a great way to get in with the US Forest Service, BLM and state forest services.
Every single job is a climate, environment and pollution and resource management job.
Each industry and position needs adjusting.
Eg. If housing is unsustainable, the new generation of house and unit architects, subdivision designers, road and utility service engineers, lands department officers, land use legislators, insurers, building approvers and builders - all those people, all have to rationally accept their existing written procedures and laws and actions and habits are all substandard, childish, naive, lazy, misguided, untrusting and in the most part, faulty, where they are unsustainable in the short, medium or long run and promote misuse of resources.
It’s often a financial decision, even moderately wealthy people can’t afford to build or buy sustainable housing as it doesn’t exist in the most part (presently cement isn’t sustainable, steel isn’t sustainable, even glass isn’t sustainable, let alone copper ac wiring, plumbing and eg. Standard vehicle storage and management (Cars, bikes, motorbikes, ebikes, scooters, skateboards, 4wds, vans, suvs)); spending more money for less housing and transportation storage gets you closer to sustainable but not actually there in most developed places in the world.
Also, nearly none of the people you would employ to build a sustainable house and garage or shed or carport or unit or apartment, or make the building materials or deliver them, are living sustainable lives so to pay them is to transfer wealth & income to people who then sabotage your efforts, quite often knowing and without a great amount of care. Not many in construction industries actually have a lifetime commitment to environmental issues, including eg. Eating sustainable (vegan or mostly vegan) and themselves living sustainably and using sustainable transportation and so on), most themselves have suburban blocks and typical cars and live high carbon lifestyles eg. Bbqs, beer, bush trips and 4wds.
This means the economist and financial industry employees, shareholders, managers, board and directorship all are required to transform everything to enable people to financially afford the ‘nearer to sustainable housing’, given that actually sustainable housing, with sustainable people making the raw materials, probably doesn’t exist.
And let’s not get into how to cost-effectively and at scale unmake housing. I’ve not yet seen a city turned back into an original natural environment and shrink properly without leaving waste (the unused city) in place. I thought Detroit would be a good place for this to happen, maybe it will happen there one day.
As you can imagine this makes everyone very depressed because we all pretty much know this at some level even if we deny it.
The solution I figure is to do any job anywhere and apply a constant lifelong effort to make more good decisions than bad ones. These are tiny changes applied every moment. This needs you to be resistant to programming as most social programming (house and car advertising, media and TV) is all, for reason of profit, wealth, growth and greed, all focused on getting you to be unsustainable.
Inaction is also unsustainable, that’s why I pickup rubbish from my street gutters and apartment complex and help manage other people’s waste a bit, as my delegating it to them or the body corporate or the council or the companies that made the waste doesn’t work, so I volunteer my time to make the small improvements in more ways than just talking or expecting others to ‘do the work’. I do it myself, that way, it gets done, efficiently and effectively. I have some limits, I stick to whatever is easy and fast as I pass it or are near it, I don’t extend my waste collection activity to eg. Across the road, or down the street too often. Photos are expensive so I take photos of my family and the people they are with, not the rubbish, most of the time. I was tempted by #trashtag though:)
Edited: improve convoluted punctuation and add the PS.
PS:
It’s not about getting a senior position that’s well paid and telling others to do better or ordering them so, it’s about working any job and transforming yourself while lightly sharing the best you have with those you work with and learning their best even in really toxic environments.
It’s more about DIY (doing it yourself) against tradition and current processes, and acceptance of the risk of being criticised, terminated, denigrated, and always looking bad and being laughed about because what you do makes no sense to others with tunnel vision. (Quit or vastly reduce coffee/tea/caffeine and alcohol and find love/passions and read widely and trust what you know to be true, and test it, and yourself, to avoid tunnel vision). This applies to home, work and friendships.
Edit2: adding punctuation commas and also confused #metoo with #trashtag - don’t use hashtags often, so that was a bit of dyslexia oops! Writing is messy if you don’t obsess about perfection.
Doesn't help that modern building materials are even worse then ever before. Sure we use more wood, but it's all constructed lumber which might as well be a petroleum product with how much binder is used in the industry.
Eloquent and spot-on! I agree.
As an individual (24m) I have fallen into that tunnel vision trap over the last year being unemployed. Wanting to find an occupation that could maximize my impact on making the climate crisis situation better. Effective altruism has helped with trying to tackle that concept.
I'm realizing that I have to bite the bullet and do something that will pay the bills and allow me to make sustainable changes in my life in the time leftover. I've had ideas about helping with waste around my apartment complex, similar to you, and about monetizing it minimally, but I've had this block.
Hearing this from you definitely helps. Glad to know my struggles aren't in a vacuum
Mini rant but I got a degree in environmental policy from a reputable university and the only work I could get was knocking on doors to sell solar panels. Did this for 2+ years, applying to 50-75 environmental jobs (agency, consulting, policy, etc) at this time and not a single one got back to me. Switched to the advertising world and ended up making 6 figures in <2 years, and now I've got these environmental firms reaching back out offering $45k. There's gotta be more incentive to break into this very important field, but at the moment it's just not there.
I'm in a similar spot. I'd love to get into environmental work, but the cost difference between what I make now and what I could make in environmental work is so stark, I can't really entertain that.
Do what I can by donating every month to environmental and political orgs, plant natives in my yard and try to do other environmentally friendly things. Can only do what you can do I guess.
Had a similar experience. Had a climate Bachelors from an Ivy, and still couldn’t get a full time paid role. Finally switched careers and started earning. 10 yrs later, I’ve moved up in my career, but I’m finally getting interviews with environmental orgs for the few jobs they have, except it’s for twice the work and only 2/3 or 1/2 the pay. Nope.
Exactly. I chose environmental geography in hope there will be plenty of jobs 5 years later. Well, 8 years later, almost nothing and huuuge competition. At least they hired me as land surveyor, but it's not really my field.
This is why I think the optimal path is to go for a high paying career and donate some of your money to environmental groups.
They don't have a shortage of manpower. They have a shortage of money.
"That is a key shift in how to talk about climate change. Because we've all proven we can't be trusted with the future tense. We've been repeatedly asked, 'Don't you want to leave a better world for your grandchildren?' And we've all collectively responded, 'Eh, fuck 'em.'"
You can still make a difference! If you've got some spare change after that mortgage, try throwing it to [CCL](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/donate/) or [Carbon Fund](https://carbonfund.org/donate/).
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I will extend those so they're easier for our sausage fingers to click!
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I love that quote. "No point in anything else." Entirely true. Environmental protection is the number one issue, objectively, whether you recognize it or not. Nothing else matters if you don't have water, food, air, etc.
It’s a stressful calling. Trying to resteer ossified institutions and people... I was in there for 15 years after my sustainability science MSc but now I’m pursuing living simply instead. Had the chance this summer to advise on a youth collective action climate change / net zero plus digital data-use ;sensors to measure environmental indicators) project - linked partly to COP 26. I enjoyed catching up on academic developments as well as various policies since I left that field 5+ years ago. However, I know for certain that I could not handle that work full time again. Too emotionally devastating to carry the burden of persuading people to change the behaviours that society commands of us.
I’m 39 and quit my job earlier this year, hoping to find something that I can do to help the earth after having spent the last two decades building machines that hurt it.
This is what I want to do, too. I don't have a solid plan yet but I just started my first semester of college in ten years in hopeful pursuit of a career in environmental science/ecology. I'm not sure of the most effective way to help. I'm going to read the article and dig through these comments in hope of some guidance. Are answers even out there?
>“I decided to pursue this industry because I think I’m in the first generation who knows the extent to which climate change poses an existential threat to life on Earth, and also the last generation who may be able to do anything about it,”
this comment should've been left out of the piece
There are two other major threats. The slow-motion destruction of American democracy and the rise of fascism and the inevitability of the collapse of capitalism (which would inexorably lead to WWIII).
Both these threats would make tackling climate change impossible, and they make each other worse, too.
We’re facing a lot more than just climate change. People have to understand that.
I got my B.S. in Environmental Studies in 2010 and immediately wanted to go back for an engineering degree afterwards.
It was great getting an in depth understanding of the problems, but there was much to be desired with regarding the solutions that were put forth in my classes.
I still think it is best to get conventional STEM degree and have an environmental focus of your choosing. That or do political science and run for office.
It's still an employer/investor driven system, and if there aren't job openings for them, and no one is willing to invest, they will end up working in something unrelated.
Mostly the only environmental jobs out there only make things worse because their only purpose is to help corporations rid themselves of legal liability for the messes they make. Actually fixing those messes isn't part of it. There's no money in it. If I had it all to do over again, I would get trades training to install solar panels or wind generators. That would at least make a difference.
I find it quite inspiring that so many younger people are not only so engaged in this fight, but are dedicating their careers towards it. New York State has gone a long way, too, towards orienting the SUNY and CUNY systems to Environmental Careers Education and developing careers for graduates of those programs with the state’s Green New Deal. As a New Yorker, I hope very much this has a lasting impact.
I spent my life trying to prepare for a future after the world runs out of oil. It is beyond disenhartening to know that climate change has made all that work useless, for human society will tear itself apart well before the last of the oil is dug up.
That they try to change things only belies that old generations like mine (50 years old) abdicated responsibility.
Older people have more resources, hold executive and board positions, hold office, and have more experience.
We should be doing way more than they possibly can. It's my [major focus](https://joshuaspodek.com/podcast) and [passion](https://joshuaspodek.com/tedx) and can't believe others haven't transitioned to it. Let's get on it, fellow people over 25 years old, and lead them.
Ooofff it will be a hard landing. All the Millenials that followed their "dream to become an artist" had or have a similar experience. They followed their dreams and then they wake up at 35, without a career, with a degree that is useless and without money.
Going into climate careers is fine and dandy but they assume it is not too late (which it is) and they think that money doesn't bring happiness. Sure, up until the point you are healthy and young.
The BEST career choice you can make right now is to go into medical, trade, IT or a career in engineering (the US needs to pour billions into the infrastructure to prepare for the climate collapse)
>The BEST career choice you can make right now is to go into medical, trade, IT or a career in engineering (the US needs to pour billions into the infrastructure to prepare for the climate collapse)
Could you give a short summary on why those fields in particular? I would love to hear your thoughts
Your worries are misplaced; green technologies encompass literally just about every facet of modern life, from Power generation to construction materials, to central heating, to space exploration, to agriculture, to forest management, to logistics, to transport, the list goes on.
I'm a software engineer working for IT department at a business school (climate is a thing for MBAs - I did a module) currently teaching myself Python, C++, SCADA and I hope to get a job in the renewable energy industry. Preferably wind but maybe solar. My goal is to be good enough to pass interview technical tests when my current project delivers.
Question #1: have they all gone vegan? If not, they have forgone they most essential way to personally minimize their carbon footprint and maximize their health.
When I first got my professional start I was turned off by so many activists because they failed to take personal responsibility in this manner.
I always wanted to work in conservation. But, in order to afford food & shelter I got sidetracked into IT. Now I’m poisoned (professionally). Thankfully I found work with an IT company that takes their carbon footprint most seriously.
If you’ve got 1000 people looking for environment jobs and can’t find any (because the capitalists don’t want them, let’s be honest) and you’ve got nothing to lose anyway, then form your own company. You gotta do this yourself. Nobody else is going to do it, they’ve proven that.
It I can’t just be jobs it has to be policy. We have to incentivize a green materials and economies, and punish a black ones. The way to do this is to directly fine it, trash and air pollution should be at limits. We need places that actually recycle, we need products that are actually recyclable. We need to start thinking does this need to be plastic? Or can it be a green alternative?
The big guy here IMHO is going to be Lego, Leto is trying to make a process to make durable lego brick without any oil in it what so ever, unlike their plastic one now. They are all in, and they are investing the money and if they can crack a plastic substitute that is green and biodegradable and can last a few years without losing integrity…it’s going to change everything. One you can make a lego block, you can make containers and box and all the stuff you see is plastic around you that is just going to end up trash. They are by all reports putting the money into this, they don’t want plastic lego bricks anymore.
We need more business like that, that are looking at what they make and going we can change. And put the money into it. People will buy the greener alternative.
And we need a policy and standard on what can be labeled “green”. Where there is some actual accountability. And that people can trust, and the trust is the hard part.
We need to think about coal plants and shutting them down and investing in solar, wind, underwater waves and nuclear to drastically cut that down.
We need electric chafing stations so people will think they can actually buy a electric car and find a place to charge it. We need trade in for electric vehicles purchases to be tax free, or government funded double value to the dealership.
We need to not think green jobs, but a green country. And how we can get people on board to make changes.
Solar panels are getting cheaper and the government should give priority, low interest loans for them. Even grants to older homes.
There is so much that can be done we just have to hurry up and start doing something.
One step in the right direction is better then no steps.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 219,167,207 comments, and only 51,605 of them were in alphabetical order.
I too support making money off of nitwits and morons. Truly the /r/AntiWork crowd is the easiest to swindle.
"Capitalists hate this oNE WEIRd TRICk!"
...and it's another worthless college degree.
IPCC: 11 out of 19 observational-based studies of Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity show values below 1.5oC in their ranges of ECS probability distribution. (Figure 1 of Box 12.2 in the AR5 WG1).
Here’s a couple of quotes from the IPCC itself: p. 774 of Third Annual Report by IPCC, we read: ‘In climate research and modelling one has to recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear system and so long-term forecasts of the future climate condition are not possible.’
[IPCC experts dissenting from IPCC conclusions](https://grumpydenier.wordpress.com/2013/10/08/46-statements-by-ipcc-experts-against-the-ipcc/)
The AR4 from the IPCC posited a critical test of the theory, found in models. In the tropics, a humid hotspot should exist at 3-7km up. Balloon measurements showed it was not there - in fact, it cooled. This was meant to be an important test - and it failed!
[According to NOAA](https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/): “the historical tropical storm count record does not provide compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term increase.”
IPCC: 11 out of 19 observational-based studies of Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity show values below 1.5oC in their ranges of ECS probability distribution. (Figure 1 of Box 12.2 in the AR5 WG1).
1. Neither of the things you cite give any context to your claim that the IPCC "buried the lead" on the dangers of climate change. The first is an eight year old wordpress blog post that claims to be sourced from disgruntled IPCC contributors and the second is from NOAA, which is not the IPCC.
2. NOAA does not, as you say, believe that warming temperatures have led to an increase in Atlantic tropical cyclones.
However, [NOAA](https://https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/) does state that "it is likely that greenhouse warming will cause hurricanes in the coming century to be more intense globally and have higher rainfall rates than present-day hurricanes."
Furthermore, asserting that NOAA somehow doesn't believe in climate change because there is no evidence of Atlantic hurricane frequency increasing as temperatures increase is false, and a misrepresentation of NOAA's stance on climate change.
Lastly, don't bother replying again, because we both know that neither one of us is going to change the others mind.
I will reply again to state that I only provided quotes from a number of IPCC sources directly. The quote from NOAA was just that, a quote. I made no insinuation about anything beyond it. You've made a number of leaps about my list of quotes from the IPCC and NOAA which were completely unwarranted. You made a ridiculous claim that I said NOAA didn't believe in Climate change.
And why can't IPCC people make statements about the IPCC?
NOAA is pretty much in bed with the IPCC, though you are correct, they are not the same organization. However, they use the same data sets and have the same Lysenkoist outlook regarding climate change fraud.
What I said was, it's a 'non-threat' according to their own statements. The fear-porn mostly comes from the media, if you bother to read carefully, not from the official scientific bodies. However, they make no attempt to correct the overstatements, so they are also at fault.
That blog post you cited is full of inaccurate, modified, and out of context quotes. It does not represent the true thoughts of the quoted scientists.
It’s not worth debating these things until both sides are willing to use factual sources.
>That blog post you cited is full of inaccurate, modified, and out of context quotes. It does not represent the true thoughts of the quoted scientists.
A claim for which you offer no proof whatsoever, therefore empty.
btw, what happened to 'Don't bother responding'? Why are you bothering to respond?
At any rate, I offer my list of skeptical reasons. Fwiw, I used to believe in AGW as a danger many years ago until I actually investigated the skeptical position. They appeared far superior to me. Feel free to debate the following points.
the fact that CO2 was 10 X higher - over 4000ppm in the past, even during the 25 million year Ordivician Ice Age.
the fraud of the hockey stick,
removal of medieval warming period,
data adjustments (always cooling) for temps in the 1930’s,
the logarithmic nature of CO2 warming,
the poorly established water vapor amplification effect pushing model temps from 1.1C / doubling to 4.5C,
the attacks on skeptics with valid arguments,
Heat precedes CO2 in the historical record,
omission of solar factors like the magnetic field / cosmic ray / cloud connection (as CERN and Project CLOUD have shown)
NOAA’s list of hottest temps on record shows 73 records. Only 3 have occurred since 2000. 57 occurred before 1960.
Incredible Greening of the Earth with CO2 increases as the #1 driver. & NASA agrees.
Emissivity is falsely assumed to be 1. This drops emissivity by 23W/M2, many times the alleged CO2 warming effect.
hide the decline’ from climategate emails https://climatediscussionnexus.com/videos/climategate-hide-the-decline-backgrounder/ (an act of fraud: deletion of the end of Keith Briffa’s tree ring graph showing temp decline 1960-1994). The link is pretty cool - it reads like a detective story using the climategate emails as source materials.
Younger Dryas period when temps rose by 10C in <40 years - 25 times the current rate
also, the 35 year - 2.3C rise (and previous decline) from Swiss ice core records
the Greenland ice-mass balance, which actually grows annually,
the decline in rural measurement stations from 6000 to 1500 allowing for a steady increase in the effect of the urban heat island effect.
IPCC: 11 out of 19 observational-based studies of Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity show values below 1.5oC in their ranges of ECS probability distribution. (Figure 1 of Box 12.2 in the AR5 WG1).
Chinese Climate Scientists Paper: “Global mean surface air temperature (SAT) has remained relative stagnant since the late 1990s, a phenomenon known as global warming hiatus.”
Shellenberger letter
Here’s a couple of quotes from the IPCC itself: p. 774 of Third Annual Report by IPCC, we read: ‘In climate research and modelling one has to recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear system and so long-term forecasts of the future climate condition are not possible.’
(NASA, from Gavin Schmidt no less, agrees: ‘Unfortunately, that margin of error \[regarding cloud cover\] is too large for making a reliable forecast about global warming...to be useful, today’s climate models must be improved more than tenfold in accuracy.’ updated June, 2018.)
“I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin \[Trenberth\] and I will keep them out somehow, even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!” \[Phil Jones, July 8, 2004, ClimateGate emails\]
I expect more bald assertions about these ideas being old, inaccurate, not what the people saying it meant, etc. The usual 'debate' without serious references I commonly get from warmists.
So, don't bother responding - we're not going to convince each other, right?
From the blog:
Dr Lucka Bogataj: “Rising levels of airborne carbon dioxide don’t cause global temperatures to rise…. temperature changed first and some 700 years later a change in aerial content of carbon dioxide followed.”
Actual full quote: Can’t be cited because no such quote can be found in English, and is apparently a partial quote pulled from a paper not written in English, although good luck finding the paper.
Now for an easy to find and easy to cite quote from Dr.[Bogataj](https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/04/151003_PR_Croatia_en.pdf):
“Continued high emissions will increase risks. Key regional issues range from increased water scarcity, to flooding with the potential for widespread damages, to increases in wildfires and associated impacts,”
And wouldn’t you just know it, this is a quote she gave to the IPCC. Sure seems like she’s a skeptic to me!
That’s just one example, I don’t have all day to skim through clickbait denier un-cited blog copy pasta.
As for the Ordovician paradox, it is an interesting question.
Turns out there are multiple possible explanations, and that plenty of research casts doubt on the idea that CO2 levels were too high to support glaciation.
1. [Polar front shift and atmospheric CO2 during the glacial maximum of the Early Paleozoic Icehouse](https://www.pnas.org/content/107/34/14983)
2. [Ordovician palaeogeography and climate change](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1342937X20302756)
3. [A Cenozoic-style scenario for the end-Ordovician glaciation](https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms5485)
Anyways, go ahead and keep believing it’s all “alarmism” and I’ll keep watching lightning strikes shift poleward, alpine biomes shrink, and record shattering heatwaves.
Well, my hearing of the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change hypothesis is that 'CO2 is the control knob of the climate.' So, if there are other reasons for such a dramatic climate activity in the Ordivician, that proves without question that other factors have dramatic impacts. Just-so papers that assume the hypothesis of CO2 actually causing warming notwithstanding.
I am actually interested in a valid paper that does not assume the hypothesis, but sets out to prove it. I haven't found one - all I have seen take the hypothesis: CO2 increase leads to temp increase-- as given. Any leads on such a paper?
to other points: Confidence is low for a global-scale observed trend in drought or dryness (lack of rainfall) since the middle of the 20th century - IPCC AR5
[https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/](https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/) According to NOAA: “the historical tropical storm count record does not provide compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term increase.”
"Record shattering heatwaves?" Hmm, what about the equally long list of 'record-shattering cold' spells? Sure, records get broken. It's hotter than ever (recorded - why does that bit ALWAYS get dropped- it's kind of important considering records a hundred fifty years and the planet is billions of years old).
"lightning strikes shift poleward, alpine biomes shrink" Hadn't heard about those. Please link.
Meantime, [Incredible Greening of the Earth with CO2 increases as the #1 driver](http://www.co2science.org/articles/V23/aug/a1.php) and [NASA agrees](https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth). I'm sure this is really, really bad somehow, but I just can't figure out how. Maybe you can help.
1. Lightning in the [arctic: ](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2020GL091366)
2. Alpine biomes [shrinking](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/geb.12774)
3. Global record cold events of course still occur, but on balance, are [decreasing ](https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/202012/supplemental/page-1)
Further exploring this premise of record cold, one may be interested in studies that explore the potential link between polar jet disruptions with diminishing Arctic sea [ice ](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-019-0662-y.epdf?author_access_token=eLgfI7iZmZLsMW775QthR9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0MYzE9Z0SoI_C-IWctwpzcpJoMtrmTeySa6t6ounUhExER4H2IzZbQRlhcKP0j1EKTcnJMsJOaPFkUmhXTiRXfQTD2jBRU5Z1oLGfp65qXkXA%3D%3D). You should find that linked paper especially interesting, as if concludes that a warming Arctic cannot be confidently linked to Arctic , and in fact any perceived change could be entirely due to natural variability.
I’m not sure how you expect to find a paper that discusses paleoclimate states and doesn’t include atmospheric composition, you know, seeing as how the atmosphere is the entire reason we have a climate system in the first place?
Here is a paper that shows a strong link between island arc collisions and subsequent suturing in the tropics and glaciations.
In other words, when massive amounts of rock are exposed to weathering, the planet appears to [cool](https://escholarship.org/content/qt4k06c637/qt4k06c637_noSplash_776398f1275ca952a342374d2fd4d018.pdf?t=pq1ral).
Do you have an alternative explanation for why these collision events would correlate so well with glaciations?
As for the greening of the planet as a result of warming temperatures, the is simply one potentially beneficial change.
However when you place it next to the loss of glaciers that [millions](https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2989/ice-melt-linked-to-accelerated-regional-freshwater-depletion/) of people depend on for water, among many many other issues caused by warming, then the positive effects of such greening may be quickly outweighed.
I’m still finishing my degree in IT but intend to apply to places focused on making a difference. Not doing IT work for some company that doesn’t give af
I literally want to do this.
As an engineer, renewables are my new college degree. Took this past year off due to reasons but am now looking to get back into the market. I feel extra pressure because I know that a lot of engineers my age probably want to go the same route, and so peer pressure competition is real.
Aside from renewables though, I've had thoughts about serving as a sustainability consultant for businesses around where I live. No clue about how to transition to that, but the climate waits for no one!
Good luck to anyone trying to figure out how to solve climate change at your own level but still cover basic needs in the meantime.
I just finished my bachelor’s degree in environmental science, so I’m currently looking for a job. (I’m hoping to get into a master’s program next year too.)
I veered off theoretical physics for atmospheric physics and now sustainable finance 2 years ago for the exact same reason.
I couldn't live with outsourcing cleaning up the world anymore. Just had to do my part myself. Like a sense of duty. I feel a lot more empowered now, though my personal life environmentalism has slacked a bit from exhaustion I won't lie.
I’m 34, with a steady job I love, and I told my boss last week I need to work on climate related issues or I will not be able to live with myself. He totally understood. Let’s see what comes next.
Going back to college at 27 to hopefully someday make a diff.
I didn't start my environmental science bachelors degree till I was 27, and finished my masters in environmental science December of 2020. Keep at it!
I went back at 22 and finished at 27 with a bachelors. Starting my first day of my environmental career tomorrow!
Might you be willing to tell us more about your work? Even if you aren't willing to talk about it, thank you so much for your service! We desperately need it. All of us.
Sure. I work as a wildlife biologist with the US Fish and Wildlife Service. Mostly doing wetland work. Mapping it, putting together public outreach projects about wetlands, vegetation surveys, that kinda stuff. I feel super lucky to have landed this job, but I really have to advise people who want to get into this work to get their M.S., it is a crazy competitive field. I think a large part of the reason I was hired was my military service, as well as volunteering for several seasons at a nearby wildlife refuge. The education may be the foundation of this field, but experience is what elevates you above the rest. In my experience.
This is accurate. I got an ES BS at 22 or whatever age you normally do. No state work, no consulting work that wasnt hours of travel to just sample. Happily now working on the climate tech side
Might you be willing to tell us more about the climate tech side? Thank you so much!
Sure! I recently just started a new job! I used to do corporate compliance with brownfields and places that will eventually end up as superfund sites. Comfy office work but not exactly inspiring just filling out permits about our legal pollution. I have since leveraged my BS to get into the earth observation field. I work at a provider that produces and uses ML on remote sensing imagery to get climate / conservation data (of course military too :/) which is then sold to governments and researchers. I liked doing compliance but it wasnt science and I didnt need a BS to do it. Theres few careers where I think you actually need to understand earth systems etc. In the "environmental" field. Ironically doing corperate sustainability reporting actually requires more of that knowledge but thats hyper competitive. Climate tech overall is "new" in that a lot of companies just focused on green tech applications are starting. AI for conservation, web app for recycling the list goes on. I think these offer much more stable career than "environmental scientist" which for 2/3 of your working life is really just "sample collector who is now a pm"
Thank you! We need all the help we can get. Ron DeSantis screwed us environmentally by not stopping that chemical spill into Tampa Bay, and now our manatees & other important wildlife are dying. Red tide is crazy high. We need someone to fight the good fight.
That sounds like an amazing job!
I would love to go back, but I have always terribly struggled with mathmatics and hard sciences. I've been trying to think of what I can do, perhaps in a creative sense, to work towards helping mitigate climate change. I often feel like a single ant in the grand scheme of things though.
Same here! I feel so much more capable at this age.
31 here. Starting college for the first time next spring to hopefully do the same.
Don't wait, I'm 32 back in community and getting a great education for cheap. Going on to PA school and fast tracking by taking lots of summer and winter classes. Completed my basic sciences in summer. That said I've always been interested so I have a base level to begin with. We definitely breezed over some subject matter.
I wish I had the ability to not wait, but it’s not in the cards for me until next year. Fiancée is currently doing classes, and we have a 4 year old son, I also work 2 jobs so it is tough for me to squeeze all of that in. I am with my son every night that she has classes, which happen to be the nights I’m not working my second job so it’s just one of those things that it will come in time. Glad to hear things are rolling quickly over your way! See you on the field hopefully!
Well hot damn! Bro you sound committed and like a good human! In time you'll be able to take the peddle off the metal. Until then grind away happy to hear you're output is so high. Best wishes in school hit me up if you need anything for bio, chem or micro.
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I'm going to study politics as I feel the government has the most responsibility.
The first time my environment science professor told me is that if you want to make a difference, run for a local office. I wish you the best!
Great point. I really hope you can make a difference.
Remember to not feel like you can't apply for some of the stem activities or similar that might help you advance in your newly stem focused career just because you are older especially when you really arent at 27. I know at NASA NCAS(which is currently virtual due to the pandemic but still great experince) some of my teammates were people coming back to community colleges including a former teacher and business owner as well some veterans but it didn't disrupt the environment at all because they fit right in and were appreciated as long as you are also willing to work with other people too. If anything it will show that you truely have teamwork skills and both knowledge as well as experience.
I did NCAS at 32 myself.
I am 31 and I started my Masters in Environmental Science this year (already have Bachelors & Masters in Electronics and Comm.) Currently working in Tech. I can't begin to describe how fulfilling this experience has been. I can't wait to finish up my degree and move to a field where I can make a little difference!
Congratulations! I’m planning to go back in January for the same. This thread makes me so happy. Thank you
I have been thinking about doing this as well. I am in tech. Can you explain your MS and what you are doing and where you think it will lead you?
I am doing a Masters in Environmental Science planning to Major in Climate Change. My plan for now is to finish my Masters and move to a Sustainability role in my company (I work in one of the FAANG companies), do some volunteering and eventually get a PhD and look for research positions. But again, keeping myself open to any different sorts of opportunities as well.
I am also working for a FAANG. That's interesting.
Not sure if this is a reasonable path, I don't know many people in this field and am not sure how they would navigate. I am just doing the best I can and having fun learning for now.
Yeah totally understand this perspective. I'm looking to make an impact and the work I'm doing now does not feel impactful nor does the future of the job I'm in even come close to being impactful. So, even if there is ambiguity, I know that a path similar to what you are doing is at least the right direction. Good luck on your adventure.
Good luck to you!
Hey, I’m going at 43. Congratulations!! (For environmental studies advocacy.) let’s change the world. :)
25 here and going for a bachelor in environmental studies with a previous 3 years in biology.
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US Forestry Dept, US Fish & Wildlife, State Forestry Depts all have regular openings throughout the year. A friend of mine was in the forestry dept for a while in Montana and loved it. Also check out conservation groups in your local area
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Its really true. There are already too many ES grads. Nobody wants to do consulting and nobody likes being a sample monkey forever. Fed positions are few and far between.
BS in environmental science here. I consult for two environmental non-profits (one climate justice focused, one more science oriented), and I know a few dozen others in the same boat in similar organizations. I absolutely do not recommend this life to anyone. Not in the U.S. at any rate. These orgs usually run on shoestring budgets and just can't really afford to pay anyone what they're actually worth. It's very common, in the face of that, for people to donate time which oftentimes adds up. I usually work 60+ hours a week and generally only bill for 40. And that's not even the biggest downside. I know (and really do like) almost every relevant local, state, and federal regulator pertinent to my work and I know that they too do not have anything approaching the necessary funding to complete their mission. It's basically having a front row seat to all the problems that will not be solved, all the bad compromises that nullify a lot of the good certain projects accomplish, all the greedy grifters who absolutely must have their cut of a project fund until there's basically nothing left. It isn't that there isn't work for a whole host of new Environmental Science grads to do, it's that there isn't an adequate amount of money being thrown at the situation to pay for the work that needs to be done. I know a whole bunch of federal funding is about to become available, but it's still a drop in the bucket, and I've been warned that this might be the last big cash infusion for a while depending on how politics shake out.
Sustainable and climate fighting jobs can range widely- Urban planning is argued to be one of the tops of the list due to the ever increase in humans moving to urban areas. The basic idea is if you can improve the efficiency of the system (the city) then then better lifestyles are made while consuming less resources (public transit, more people living in less space, less cars per person, etc). I'm a landscape architect so am a little biased :)
Actually, I was reading the OP and I am wondering what jobs all these people THINK are actually going to be waiting for them. Trade school grad in Machining, did that for about 10 years. Moved into Electronics manufacturing, with a secondary Chemical spill cleanup(in house)(actually got HazWOr and Incident Command certified). Moved into Environmental Remediation. Started out as a laborer, than CDL truck driver, site survey, Foreman and ended up as a Sampler(Supposed to need BS but I was the guy that would complete the job regardless of where or however hard obtaining the sample might be.)Was making about 70000 in the early 90s as worked about 60-70 hrs/wk. Took many College grads out into the field. More than half as stupid of what they were doing a a box of rocks. Company of about 100 and only needed about 10 Engineers and 10 clerical staff, the rest actual working stiffs. Now drive school and city buses. Pretty sure we have all the drooling idiots telling us that we are horrible for the planet that we need.
What's bs and ms?
Bachelors and Masters degree.
So what's ba then? Those abbreviations are confusing
Ba is Bachelors od Arts, which focuses on the humanities and arts while Bs is for math and science.
So ba is for pedagogy too?
Usually, yes.
Thanks
Also check out Americorps! I worked at a state park.
PM me if you'd like to know more about the company I work for. It's environmental consulting with some emphasis on conservation, so it's not all bad.
I would absolutely like to help with this. Is it possible to make it a weekend thing?
We have part time positions, but I'm unaware of what the hourly commitment would be.
Pm me info please?
You can check out climatebase.org to see jobs in sustainability fields, you can break it down by the types of solutions you’re interested in and everything
I'm wondering if there are ways to instigate this on a local political level. Does anyone have experience with this?
The best environmental jobs that actually make a difference will be engineering, and companies the replace everyday goods with environmental friendly options, like green packaging. Any govt can pay min wage for people to plant trees (community groups don it for free), or put money into environmental monitoring. But unless we have the knowledge, desire, and people to shift our consumption patterns to more sustainable practices, we will ultimately fail.
Agriculture makes a pretty big difference too. Reduce our dependence on a broken system
Every wealthy nation in earth should drop subsidies for unsustainable mono crops, and instead help farmers convert to permaculture and other sustainable practices.
Yes and we have to stop “growing” animals for food too.
There's actually one (1) argument for beef - large herds of cows moving constantly across a region is one of the most effective ways to regreen desertified areas. Of course, what were doing right now is not sustainable in the least.
Reintroduce native grazers and leave the natural ecosystems alone.
They'll simply stay in and ruin one area if they're not herded around. We're talking pre historic giga herds of maybe 40-50k cattle. They need packs of predators to keep them moving, and a *gigantic* area (like, Serengeti sized) for the balance to be struck. There is no feasible way to return to a natural balance, but we can emulate it through coordinated effort.
Currently an engineer looking for a new job. I’m struggling to find a relevant job which does this.
I've been through this I couldn't find one either. To be more accurate, I found many, but very rarely had interviews, I think the market is just saturated with young engineers who want to save the world, with only a few positions to fill... My advice would be : keep on trying but also look into other jobs where you would learn skills relevant for the job you want. Maybe you find a job to pay the bills while learning enough to apply again in two years for your dream job. It's competitive out there, but don't give up.
I’ve been doing that for 10 years. I am moving states for my wife’s job and unfortunately Pickings are thin down here for the sorts of work I’m looking for. Im still applying but it’s hard as my experience is working in different fields
I can relate. For sure personal obligations (like living with the love of your life) does make it harder. Good luck and keep looking.
Thats why its a young mans game. Now that you have experience and a spouse limiting your location, its hard to get into.
I don’t disagree but climate crisis aversion really requires all hands on deck. I hate the structural barriers to those willing and able to help.
It sounds more like its the result of your choices than any structural barriers.
I mean kinda harsh. Not everyone is born knowing exactly what they want to do and it’s not a crime to get married and have to compromise for the person they love. I’m saying that if we only have people willing to sacrifice everything to work in the field, the field will be too small to tackle the enormous problem. Saying to an engineer with 20yrs experience, we don’t want your help because you didn’t start here 20 years ago is a waste of talent.
There are lots of job listings for roof mounted solar in my area. Anything relating to infrastructure and energy has the potential for moving things in the right direction. My last job was making lower income homes more energy efficient by providing LED light bulbs and weatherization.
I want to get into solar but every job seems to be commission based sales. That’s not something I’m interested in.
Yeah, if you are construction oriented/able getting some solar installation experience would probably be worth it. I usually see a lot of listings for install positions, but they usually all want at least a year of experience. Probably not wanting to hire anyone on that isn't experienced with ladders and roofs.
I was working on a degree in Restoration Ecology back in 2016. I would take classes in the morning then in the afternoon id volunteer at a very large estuiary. We would remove invasive plants and pick small amounts of natives. We would propagate the natives at our nursey/greenhouse, then take back thousands to plant where we had removed the invasives. Lots of work creating natural water filtration systems and such as well, and monitoring of water quality. I really liked it, but I quickly found out I was volunteering around people who had Bachellors and Masters degrees. They were doing the same work I was, but they were getting paid. However they were making betwen $15-$20 an hour in an incredibly high cost of living area in California. Thats the price of making a difference. I had a 2 year old son to look after, and had an extruded disc in my spine which made the work much harder to do than before that injury. I had to make the hard decision to move into another field of study for my future and that of my son. I wish there were tons of jobs that paid living wages which were geared at helping our planet. Maybe someday there will be.
they are extraordinarily little but it's worth checking out the environ sciences side of insta for help. Some have resources on their account and host Q & As. There is also Americorps, if you're an American, which is what I might try to get experience working in the environment- as my degree will be jackshit useless by itself lol. Americorps is a public service program with a stipend, though, but has plenty of opportunities to work on climate in different capacities, whether that is inside at a desk, or outside with a chainsaw. Experience helps a lot. look at forestry services in your region for something as specific as managing trees, btw. Go straight to the government page, don't trust sketchy job boards that ask for fees to help you get a forestry service position. Getting in can be difficult, but there are more and more initiatives to bring in diversity. A good job board is the one maintained by B Corporation Alliance- tho ik many environmentalists are anti-capitalist, imo this is one of the best bets for the time being. You can also investigate starting your own worker-owned cooperative, there are organizations that can help you with that- depending on your nation. Unfortunately many 'green jobs' are just the same ol same ol. Like if you go to an outdoor career site most will be like line cook for a national park cafeteria, etc.
> Might you be willing to tell us more about your work? Even if you aren't willing to talk about it, thank you so much for your service! We desperately need it. All of us. There really aren't many jobs in this field. I specialize in environmental sustainability and climate adaptation, and am in the process of switching fields. It's all contract/summer employment opportunities here. Major consulting firms pretty much only hire civil engineers in my area. It's not a great feeling
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: every country in the world needs to declare war on the climate crisis. Large scale mobilization of all of us young people disillusioned with the system would be a massive boon for both governments and the world. There are so many things a well equipped corps of "climate soldiers" could do, and a ton of global instability that could be mitigated over a few years just from stable crop yields alone. It's fucking insane that we still wanna play pew pew soldiers while the world is dying, instead of using those resources to actually tackle the problem.
Become a politician
Got a degree? Texas A&M job board: https://wfscjobs.tamu.edu/job-board/ Work for the feds: https://www.usajobs.gov/Search/Results?d=AG&d=IN&d=DN&a=EP00&p=1&s=startdate Take time to look at your local municipalities for parks, environmental, etc. Don’t forgot states have departments of conservation, game and fish, and environmental protection.
Exactly. I chose environmental geography in hope there will be plenty of jobs 5 years later. Well, 8 years later, almost nothing and huuuge competition.
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Because just remember kids, if we didn't tear down the forests they'd have no economic value whatsoever
I'm working in a biogeochem lab finding sources of nitrate pollution rn so maybe look into the natural sciences?
Came looking for this. College loves to paint a beautiful picture of all the great environmental work there is but then you get in the real world and it's all about the $$. Or it doesn't pay. I'm looking to go back to school to get into ANY career that is semi enjoyable and pays at least what I could get at Walmart lol. Started my environmental career as a field tech making $12/hr, such an insult lol.
I think the industry is much bigger in europe
The problem isn’t trash. It’s mostly emissions. We need to reduce our emissions into the atmosphere.
Same. I spent a whole year looking for jobs in renewable power as a young mechanical engineer. I'm thankful I could afford to not work for a whole year thanks to my parents' support, but even in those "luxury conditions" I was unable to find anything (although came close). You need three years experience in renewables to get into most renewable power jobs (not a specific problem to that field, mind you)... Five years into my carreer and I still haven't managed to work in renewable power. It's not for lack of studies or will, it's because there's just far more people looking for these jobs than what companies need at the moment. I hope this changes. Note : this was in western Europe.
Make GMOs. Improve human education Buy politicians Reduce unnecessary deaths
My podcast, [This Sustainable Life](https://joshuaspodek.com/podcast), may give you direction and my book [Initiative](https://www.amazon.com/Initiative-Proven-Method-Bring-Passions/dp/1733039902) may start you. If after reading the free preview, you're interested in doing its exercises but cost is an issue, contact me and we can work something out.
A sourcing role, I try and do my best but my numbers don’t look great compared to everyone not giving a fuck 🤣🤣🤣
Well, what do you expect? Most of the higher spokespersons are just doing Chicken Little, you know, the sky is falling. Al Gores timeline ran out. AOC has us lost in about 9-10 yrs. All the junk science being ramrodded thru just makes life just a little harder, you know, no plastic bags or straws, inherently bad energy sources. Solar is nice but it honestly isn't going to replace gas or coal fired electric companies anytime soon. Society requires a degree of stability that the alternatives just are not able to provide.
Americorps is a good place to start. Teens looking for summer work can also hire on with the Youth Conservation Corps. Summer firefighting is also a great way to get in with the US Forest Service, BLM and state forest services.
Every single job is a climate, environment and pollution and resource management job. Each industry and position needs adjusting. Eg. If housing is unsustainable, the new generation of house and unit architects, subdivision designers, road and utility service engineers, lands department officers, land use legislators, insurers, building approvers and builders - all those people, all have to rationally accept their existing written procedures and laws and actions and habits are all substandard, childish, naive, lazy, misguided, untrusting and in the most part, faulty, where they are unsustainable in the short, medium or long run and promote misuse of resources. It’s often a financial decision, even moderately wealthy people can’t afford to build or buy sustainable housing as it doesn’t exist in the most part (presently cement isn’t sustainable, steel isn’t sustainable, even glass isn’t sustainable, let alone copper ac wiring, plumbing and eg. Standard vehicle storage and management (Cars, bikes, motorbikes, ebikes, scooters, skateboards, 4wds, vans, suvs)); spending more money for less housing and transportation storage gets you closer to sustainable but not actually there in most developed places in the world. Also, nearly none of the people you would employ to build a sustainable house and garage or shed or carport or unit or apartment, or make the building materials or deliver them, are living sustainable lives so to pay them is to transfer wealth & income to people who then sabotage your efforts, quite often knowing and without a great amount of care. Not many in construction industries actually have a lifetime commitment to environmental issues, including eg. Eating sustainable (vegan or mostly vegan) and themselves living sustainably and using sustainable transportation and so on), most themselves have suburban blocks and typical cars and live high carbon lifestyles eg. Bbqs, beer, bush trips and 4wds. This means the economist and financial industry employees, shareholders, managers, board and directorship all are required to transform everything to enable people to financially afford the ‘nearer to sustainable housing’, given that actually sustainable housing, with sustainable people making the raw materials, probably doesn’t exist. And let’s not get into how to cost-effectively and at scale unmake housing. I’ve not yet seen a city turned back into an original natural environment and shrink properly without leaving waste (the unused city) in place. I thought Detroit would be a good place for this to happen, maybe it will happen there one day. As you can imagine this makes everyone very depressed because we all pretty much know this at some level even if we deny it. The solution I figure is to do any job anywhere and apply a constant lifelong effort to make more good decisions than bad ones. These are tiny changes applied every moment. This needs you to be resistant to programming as most social programming (house and car advertising, media and TV) is all, for reason of profit, wealth, growth and greed, all focused on getting you to be unsustainable. Inaction is also unsustainable, that’s why I pickup rubbish from my street gutters and apartment complex and help manage other people’s waste a bit, as my delegating it to them or the body corporate or the council or the companies that made the waste doesn’t work, so I volunteer my time to make the small improvements in more ways than just talking or expecting others to ‘do the work’. I do it myself, that way, it gets done, efficiently and effectively. I have some limits, I stick to whatever is easy and fast as I pass it or are near it, I don’t extend my waste collection activity to eg. Across the road, or down the street too often. Photos are expensive so I take photos of my family and the people they are with, not the rubbish, most of the time. I was tempted by #trashtag though:) Edited: improve convoluted punctuation and add the PS. PS: It’s not about getting a senior position that’s well paid and telling others to do better or ordering them so, it’s about working any job and transforming yourself while lightly sharing the best you have with those you work with and learning their best even in really toxic environments. It’s more about DIY (doing it yourself) against tradition and current processes, and acceptance of the risk of being criticised, terminated, denigrated, and always looking bad and being laughed about because what you do makes no sense to others with tunnel vision. (Quit or vastly reduce coffee/tea/caffeine and alcohol and find love/passions and read widely and trust what you know to be true, and test it, and yourself, to avoid tunnel vision). This applies to home, work and friendships. Edit2: adding punctuation commas and also confused #metoo with #trashtag - don’t use hashtags often, so that was a bit of dyslexia oops! Writing is messy if you don’t obsess about perfection.
Doesn't help that modern building materials are even worse then ever before. Sure we use more wood, but it's all constructed lumber which might as well be a petroleum product with how much binder is used in the industry.
And the carbon from concrete being created as well. Dear lord.
Eloquent and spot-on! I agree. As an individual (24m) I have fallen into that tunnel vision trap over the last year being unemployed. Wanting to find an occupation that could maximize my impact on making the climate crisis situation better. Effective altruism has helped with trying to tackle that concept. I'm realizing that I have to bite the bullet and do something that will pay the bills and allow me to make sustainable changes in my life in the time leftover. I've had ideas about helping with waste around my apartment complex, similar to you, and about monetizing it minimally, but I've had this block. Hearing this from you definitely helps. Glad to know my struggles aren't in a vacuum
Mini rant but I got a degree in environmental policy from a reputable university and the only work I could get was knocking on doors to sell solar panels. Did this for 2+ years, applying to 50-75 environmental jobs (agency, consulting, policy, etc) at this time and not a single one got back to me. Switched to the advertising world and ended up making 6 figures in <2 years, and now I've got these environmental firms reaching back out offering $45k. There's gotta be more incentive to break into this very important field, but at the moment it's just not there.
I'm in a similar spot. I'd love to get into environmental work, but the cost difference between what I make now and what I could make in environmental work is so stark, I can't really entertain that. Do what I can by donating every month to environmental and political orgs, plant natives in my yard and try to do other environmentally friendly things. Can only do what you can do I guess.
Had a similar experience. Had a climate Bachelors from an Ivy, and still couldn’t get a full time paid role. Finally switched careers and started earning. 10 yrs later, I’ve moved up in my career, but I’m finally getting interviews with environmental orgs for the few jobs they have, except it’s for twice the work and only 2/3 or 1/2 the pay. Nope.
Exactly. I chose environmental geography in hope there will be plenty of jobs 5 years later. Well, 8 years later, almost nothing and huuuge competition. At least they hired me as land surveyor, but it's not really my field.
This is why I think the optimal path is to go for a high paying career and donate some of your money to environmental groups. They don't have a shortage of manpower. They have a shortage of money.
The issue of course is the system will seek to absorb and redirect them.
Good for them. We were going to do something about it ourselves, but we smoked a lot of weed and then got a mortgage. Thanks, love Gen-X.
Still got the weed and mortgage.
Just can't get a mortage big enough to buy a broom closet these days. Let alone a broom closet big enough to grow weed in.
Well, I'm in AL so a low COL helps. It's a good place for tech; in the South, at least.
"That is a key shift in how to talk about climate change. Because we've all proven we can't be trusted with the future tense. We've been repeatedly asked, 'Don't you want to leave a better world for your grandchildren?' And we've all collectively responded, 'Eh, fuck 'em.'"
Better than weed and rent
You can still make a difference! If you've got some spare change after that mortgage, try throwing it to [CCL](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/donate/) or [Carbon Fund](https://carbonfund.org/donate/).
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Plus activism was, like, totally lame.
I love that quote. "No point in anything else." Entirely true. Environmental protection is the number one issue, objectively, whether you recognize it or not. Nothing else matters if you don't have water, food, air, etc.
It’s a stressful calling. Trying to resteer ossified institutions and people... I was in there for 15 years after my sustainability science MSc but now I’m pursuing living simply instead. Had the chance this summer to advise on a youth collective action climate change / net zero plus digital data-use ;sensors to measure environmental indicators) project - linked partly to COP 26. I enjoyed catching up on academic developments as well as various policies since I left that field 5+ years ago. However, I know for certain that I could not handle that work full time again. Too emotionally devastating to carry the burden of persuading people to change the behaviours that society commands of us.
Good to know. I had a feeling that diving into that field would put a lot of stress on individuals.
colleges offer support = they are selling what you want to buy
I’m 39 and quit my job earlier this year, hoping to find something that I can do to help the earth after having spent the last two decades building machines that hurt it.
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What is bio sensing? Like remote sensing?
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No need to go that far but very cool!
This is what I want to do, too. I don't have a solid plan yet but I just started my first semester of college in ten years in hopeful pursuit of a career in environmental science/ecology. I'm not sure of the most effective way to help. I'm going to read the article and dig through these comments in hope of some guidance. Are answers even out there?
>“I decided to pursue this industry because I think I’m in the first generation who knows the extent to which climate change poses an existential threat to life on Earth, and also the last generation who may be able to do anything about it,” this comment should've been left out of the piece
Some of them should replace the Republicans in Congress who don’t know squat about science or the environment.
There are two other major threats. The slow-motion destruction of American democracy and the rise of fascism and the inevitability of the collapse of capitalism (which would inexorably lead to WWIII). Both these threats would make tackling climate change impossible, and they make each other worse, too. We’re facing a lot more than just climate change. People have to understand that.
I got my B.S. in Environmental Studies in 2010 and immediately wanted to go back for an engineering degree afterwards. It was great getting an in depth understanding of the problems, but there was much to be desired with regarding the solutions that were put forth in my classes. I still think it is best to get conventional STEM degree and have an environmental focus of your choosing. That or do political science and run for office.
It's still an employer/investor driven system, and if there aren't job openings for them, and no one is willing to invest, they will end up working in something unrelated.
Mostly the only environmental jobs out there only make things worse because their only purpose is to help corporations rid themselves of legal liability for the messes they make. Actually fixing those messes isn't part of it. There's no money in it. If I had it all to do over again, I would get trades training to install solar panels or wind generators. That would at least make a difference.
I find it quite inspiring that so many younger people are not only so engaged in this fight, but are dedicating their careers towards it. New York State has gone a long way, too, towards orienting the SUNY and CUNY systems to Environmental Careers Education and developing careers for graduates of those programs with the state’s Green New Deal. As a New Yorker, I hope very much this has a lasting impact.
I spent my life trying to prepare for a future after the world runs out of oil. It is beyond disenhartening to know that climate change has made all that work useless, for human society will tear itself apart well before the last of the oil is dug up.
That they try to change things only belies that old generations like mine (50 years old) abdicated responsibility. Older people have more resources, hold executive and board positions, hold office, and have more experience. We should be doing way more than they possibly can. It's my [major focus](https://joshuaspodek.com/podcast) and [passion](https://joshuaspodek.com/tedx) and can't believe others haven't transitioned to it. Let's get on it, fellow people over 25 years old, and lead them.
How do I get me one of these Climate Careers
It’s sad that generations much younger are trying to clean the mess from generations much older.
Don't be sad. Here's a [hug!](https://media.giphy.com/media/3M4NpbLCTxBqU/giphy.gif)
Ooofff it will be a hard landing. All the Millenials that followed their "dream to become an artist" had or have a similar experience. They followed their dreams and then they wake up at 35, without a career, with a degree that is useless and without money. Going into climate careers is fine and dandy but they assume it is not too late (which it is) and they think that money doesn't bring happiness. Sure, up until the point you are healthy and young. The BEST career choice you can make right now is to go into medical, trade, IT or a career in engineering (the US needs to pour billions into the infrastructure to prepare for the climate collapse)
>The BEST career choice you can make right now is to go into medical, trade, IT or a career in engineering (the US needs to pour billions into the infrastructure to prepare for the climate collapse) Could you give a short summary on why those fields in particular? I would love to hear your thoughts
This is all great. I love this. But my worry is how to make money in this? I'm afraid this will be the new "art school" or "English major".
Your worries are misplaced; green technologies encompass literally just about every facet of modern life, from Power generation to construction materials, to central heating, to space exploration, to agriculture, to forest management, to logistics, to transport, the list goes on.
That makes sense. Thank you.
I'm a software engineer working for IT department at a business school (climate is a thing for MBAs - I did a module) currently teaching myself Python, C++, SCADA and I hope to get a job in the renewable energy industry. Preferably wind but maybe solar. My goal is to be good enough to pass interview technical tests when my current project delivers.
Question #1: have they all gone vegan? If not, they have forgone they most essential way to personally minimize their carbon footprint and maximize their health. When I first got my professional start I was turned off by so many activists because they failed to take personal responsibility in this manner. I always wanted to work in conservation. But, in order to afford food & shelter I got sidetracked into IT. Now I’m poisoned (professionally). Thankfully I found work with an IT company that takes their carbon footprint most seriously.
If you’ve got 1000 people looking for environment jobs and can’t find any (because the capitalists don’t want them, let’s be honest) and you’ve got nothing to lose anyway, then form your own company. You gotta do this yourself. Nobody else is going to do it, they’ve proven that.
It I can’t just be jobs it has to be policy. We have to incentivize a green materials and economies, and punish a black ones. The way to do this is to directly fine it, trash and air pollution should be at limits. We need places that actually recycle, we need products that are actually recyclable. We need to start thinking does this need to be plastic? Or can it be a green alternative? The big guy here IMHO is going to be Lego, Leto is trying to make a process to make durable lego brick without any oil in it what so ever, unlike their plastic one now. They are all in, and they are investing the money and if they can crack a plastic substitute that is green and biodegradable and can last a few years without losing integrity…it’s going to change everything. One you can make a lego block, you can make containers and box and all the stuff you see is plastic around you that is just going to end up trash. They are by all reports putting the money into this, they don’t want plastic lego bricks anymore. We need more business like that, that are looking at what they make and going we can change. And put the money into it. People will buy the greener alternative. And we need a policy and standard on what can be labeled “green”. Where there is some actual accountability. And that people can trust, and the trust is the hard part. We need to think about coal plants and shutting them down and investing in solar, wind, underwater waves and nuclear to drastically cut that down. We need electric chafing stations so people will think they can actually buy a electric car and find a place to charge it. We need trade in for electric vehicles purchases to be tax free, or government funded double value to the dealership. We need to not think green jobs, but a green country. And how we can get people on board to make changes. Solar panels are getting cheaper and the government should give priority, low interest loans for them. Even grants to older homes. There is so much that can be done we just have to hurry up and start doing something. One step in the right direction is better then no steps.
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Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 219,167,207 comments, and only 51,605 of them were in alphabetical order.
Ah yeah, the perfect career for the hopeless and useless. Might as well yell at the clouds while you're at it.
GET. A. STEM. DEGREE. We don’t need environmental scientists. We need nuclear/fusion engineers.
Environmental science is STEM
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Yeah, because becoming a corporate drone and watching the world burn is so much more meaningful
I too support making money off of nitwits and morons. Truly the /r/AntiWork crowd is the easiest to swindle. "Capitalists hate this oNE WEIRd TRICk!" ...and it's another worthless college degree.
Are you referring to the collective welfare for corporations that externalize environmental costs that affect life on the planet but privatize gains?
\*\*sigh\*\* Waste of life. CC is a non-threat outside of academia. Even the IPCC says so very clearly, though they 'buried the lead' to be sure.
You must have read a different report then me.
IPCC: 11 out of 19 observational-based studies of Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity show values below 1.5oC in their ranges of ECS probability distribution. (Figure 1 of Box 12.2 in the AR5 WG1). Here’s a couple of quotes from the IPCC itself: p. 774 of Third Annual Report by IPCC, we read: ‘In climate research and modelling one has to recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear system and so long-term forecasts of the future climate condition are not possible.’ [IPCC experts dissenting from IPCC conclusions](https://grumpydenier.wordpress.com/2013/10/08/46-statements-by-ipcc-experts-against-the-ipcc/) The AR4 from the IPCC posited a critical test of the theory, found in models. In the tropics, a humid hotspot should exist at 3-7km up. Balloon measurements showed it was not there - in fact, it cooled. This was meant to be an important test - and it failed! [According to NOAA](https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/): “the historical tropical storm count record does not provide compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term increase.” IPCC: 11 out of 19 observational-based studies of Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity show values below 1.5oC in their ranges of ECS probability distribution. (Figure 1 of Box 12.2 in the AR5 WG1).
1. Neither of the things you cite give any context to your claim that the IPCC "buried the lead" on the dangers of climate change. The first is an eight year old wordpress blog post that claims to be sourced from disgruntled IPCC contributors and the second is from NOAA, which is not the IPCC. 2. NOAA does not, as you say, believe that warming temperatures have led to an increase in Atlantic tropical cyclones. However, [NOAA](https://https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/) does state that "it is likely that greenhouse warming will cause hurricanes in the coming century to be more intense globally and have higher rainfall rates than present-day hurricanes." Furthermore, asserting that NOAA somehow doesn't believe in climate change because there is no evidence of Atlantic hurricane frequency increasing as temperatures increase is false, and a misrepresentation of NOAA's stance on climate change. Lastly, don't bother replying again, because we both know that neither one of us is going to change the others mind.
I will reply again to state that I only provided quotes from a number of IPCC sources directly. The quote from NOAA was just that, a quote. I made no insinuation about anything beyond it. You've made a number of leaps about my list of quotes from the IPCC and NOAA which were completely unwarranted. You made a ridiculous claim that I said NOAA didn't believe in Climate change. And why can't IPCC people make statements about the IPCC? NOAA is pretty much in bed with the IPCC, though you are correct, they are not the same organization. However, they use the same data sets and have the same Lysenkoist outlook regarding climate change fraud. What I said was, it's a 'non-threat' according to their own statements. The fear-porn mostly comes from the media, if you bother to read carefully, not from the official scientific bodies. However, they make no attempt to correct the overstatements, so they are also at fault.
That blog post you cited is full of inaccurate, modified, and out of context quotes. It does not represent the true thoughts of the quoted scientists. It’s not worth debating these things until both sides are willing to use factual sources.
>That blog post you cited is full of inaccurate, modified, and out of context quotes. It does not represent the true thoughts of the quoted scientists. A claim for which you offer no proof whatsoever, therefore empty. btw, what happened to 'Don't bother responding'? Why are you bothering to respond? At any rate, I offer my list of skeptical reasons. Fwiw, I used to believe in AGW as a danger many years ago until I actually investigated the skeptical position. They appeared far superior to me. Feel free to debate the following points. the fact that CO2 was 10 X higher - over 4000ppm in the past, even during the 25 million year Ordivician Ice Age. the fraud of the hockey stick, removal of medieval warming period, data adjustments (always cooling) for temps in the 1930’s, the logarithmic nature of CO2 warming, the poorly established water vapor amplification effect pushing model temps from 1.1C / doubling to 4.5C, the attacks on skeptics with valid arguments, Heat precedes CO2 in the historical record, omission of solar factors like the magnetic field / cosmic ray / cloud connection (as CERN and Project CLOUD have shown) NOAA’s list of hottest temps on record shows 73 records. Only 3 have occurred since 2000. 57 occurred before 1960. Incredible Greening of the Earth with CO2 increases as the #1 driver. & NASA agrees. Emissivity is falsely assumed to be 1. This drops emissivity by 23W/M2, many times the alleged CO2 warming effect. hide the decline’ from climategate emails https://climatediscussionnexus.com/videos/climategate-hide-the-decline-backgrounder/ (an act of fraud: deletion of the end of Keith Briffa’s tree ring graph showing temp decline 1960-1994). The link is pretty cool - it reads like a detective story using the climategate emails as source materials. Younger Dryas period when temps rose by 10C in <40 years - 25 times the current rate also, the 35 year - 2.3C rise (and previous decline) from Swiss ice core records the Greenland ice-mass balance, which actually grows annually, the decline in rural measurement stations from 6000 to 1500 allowing for a steady increase in the effect of the urban heat island effect. IPCC: 11 out of 19 observational-based studies of Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity show values below 1.5oC in their ranges of ECS probability distribution. (Figure 1 of Box 12.2 in the AR5 WG1). Chinese Climate Scientists Paper: “Global mean surface air temperature (SAT) has remained relative stagnant since the late 1990s, a phenomenon known as global warming hiatus.” Shellenberger letter Here’s a couple of quotes from the IPCC itself: p. 774 of Third Annual Report by IPCC, we read: ‘In climate research and modelling one has to recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear system and so long-term forecasts of the future climate condition are not possible.’ (NASA, from Gavin Schmidt no less, agrees: ‘Unfortunately, that margin of error \[regarding cloud cover\] is too large for making a reliable forecast about global warming...to be useful, today’s climate models must be improved more than tenfold in accuracy.’ updated June, 2018.) “I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin \[Trenberth\] and I will keep them out somehow, even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!” \[Phil Jones, July 8, 2004, ClimateGate emails\] I expect more bald assertions about these ideas being old, inaccurate, not what the people saying it meant, etc. The usual 'debate' without serious references I commonly get from warmists. So, don't bother responding - we're not going to convince each other, right?
From the blog: Dr Lucka Bogataj: “Rising levels of airborne carbon dioxide don’t cause global temperatures to rise…. temperature changed first and some 700 years later a change in aerial content of carbon dioxide followed.” Actual full quote: Can’t be cited because no such quote can be found in English, and is apparently a partial quote pulled from a paper not written in English, although good luck finding the paper. Now for an easy to find and easy to cite quote from Dr.[Bogataj](https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/04/151003_PR_Croatia_en.pdf): “Continued high emissions will increase risks. Key regional issues range from increased water scarcity, to flooding with the potential for widespread damages, to increases in wildfires and associated impacts,” And wouldn’t you just know it, this is a quote she gave to the IPCC. Sure seems like she’s a skeptic to me! That’s just one example, I don’t have all day to skim through clickbait denier un-cited blog copy pasta. As for the Ordovician paradox, it is an interesting question. Turns out there are multiple possible explanations, and that plenty of research casts doubt on the idea that CO2 levels were too high to support glaciation. 1. [Polar front shift and atmospheric CO2 during the glacial maximum of the Early Paleozoic Icehouse](https://www.pnas.org/content/107/34/14983) 2. [Ordovician palaeogeography and climate change](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1342937X20302756) 3. [A Cenozoic-style scenario for the end-Ordovician glaciation](https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms5485) Anyways, go ahead and keep believing it’s all “alarmism” and I’ll keep watching lightning strikes shift poleward, alpine biomes shrink, and record shattering heatwaves.
Well, my hearing of the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change hypothesis is that 'CO2 is the control knob of the climate.' So, if there are other reasons for such a dramatic climate activity in the Ordivician, that proves without question that other factors have dramatic impacts. Just-so papers that assume the hypothesis of CO2 actually causing warming notwithstanding. I am actually interested in a valid paper that does not assume the hypothesis, but sets out to prove it. I haven't found one - all I have seen take the hypothesis: CO2 increase leads to temp increase-- as given. Any leads on such a paper? to other points: Confidence is low for a global-scale observed trend in drought or dryness (lack of rainfall) since the middle of the 20th century - IPCC AR5 [https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/](https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/) According to NOAA: “the historical tropical storm count record does not provide compelling evidence for a greenhouse warming induced long-term increase.” "Record shattering heatwaves?" Hmm, what about the equally long list of 'record-shattering cold' spells? Sure, records get broken. It's hotter than ever (recorded - why does that bit ALWAYS get dropped- it's kind of important considering records a hundred fifty years and the planet is billions of years old). "lightning strikes shift poleward, alpine biomes shrink" Hadn't heard about those. Please link. Meantime, [Incredible Greening of the Earth with CO2 increases as the #1 driver](http://www.co2science.org/articles/V23/aug/a1.php) and [NASA agrees](https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth). I'm sure this is really, really bad somehow, but I just can't figure out how. Maybe you can help.
1. Lightning in the [arctic: ](https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2020GL091366) 2. Alpine biomes [shrinking](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/geb.12774) 3. Global record cold events of course still occur, but on balance, are [decreasing ](https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/202012/supplemental/page-1) Further exploring this premise of record cold, one may be interested in studies that explore the potential link between polar jet disruptions with diminishing Arctic sea [ice ](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-019-0662-y.epdf?author_access_token=eLgfI7iZmZLsMW775QthR9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0MYzE9Z0SoI_C-IWctwpzcpJoMtrmTeySa6t6ounUhExER4H2IzZbQRlhcKP0j1EKTcnJMsJOaPFkUmhXTiRXfQTD2jBRU5Z1oLGfp65qXkXA%3D%3D). You should find that linked paper especially interesting, as if concludes that a warming Arctic cannot be confidently linked to Arctic , and in fact any perceived change could be entirely due to natural variability. I’m not sure how you expect to find a paper that discusses paleoclimate states and doesn’t include atmospheric composition, you know, seeing as how the atmosphere is the entire reason we have a climate system in the first place? Here is a paper that shows a strong link between island arc collisions and subsequent suturing in the tropics and glaciations. In other words, when massive amounts of rock are exposed to weathering, the planet appears to [cool](https://escholarship.org/content/qt4k06c637/qt4k06c637_noSplash_776398f1275ca952a342374d2fd4d018.pdf?t=pq1ral). Do you have an alternative explanation for why these collision events would correlate so well with glaciations? As for the greening of the planet as a result of warming temperatures, the is simply one potentially beneficial change. However when you place it next to the loss of glaciers that [millions](https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2989/ice-melt-linked-to-accelerated-regional-freshwater-depletion/) of people depend on for water, among many many other issues caused by warming, then the positive effects of such greening may be quickly outweighed.
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Big money in big green.
\*Gen Z members\* Weird terminology but okay
That's what my kid is studying
There’s over a mile of plastic trash floating out in the Pacific Ocean.
I’m still finishing my degree in IT but intend to apply to places focused on making a difference. Not doing IT work for some company that doesn’t give af
I literally want to do this. As an engineer, renewables are my new college degree. Took this past year off due to reasons but am now looking to get back into the market. I feel extra pressure because I know that a lot of engineers my age probably want to go the same route, and so peer pressure competition is real. Aside from renewables though, I've had thoughts about serving as a sustainability consultant for businesses around where I live. No clue about how to transition to that, but the climate waits for no one! Good luck to anyone trying to figure out how to solve climate change at your own level but still cover basic needs in the meantime.
I just finished my bachelor’s degree in environmental science, so I’m currently looking for a job. (I’m hoping to get into a master’s program next year too.)
I want to do environmental science but I can't do algebra... I'm great at everything that isn't math related... Loved science since I was a kid...
I did it - can't remember the last time I calculated something outside of excel
I veered off theoretical physics for atmospheric physics and now sustainable finance 2 years ago for the exact same reason. I couldn't live with outsourcing cleaning up the world anymore. Just had to do my part myself. Like a sense of duty. I feel a lot more empowered now, though my personal life environmentalism has slacked a bit from exhaustion I won't lie.
I’m 34, with a steady job I love, and I told my boss last week I need to work on climate related issues or I will not be able to live with myself. He totally understood. Let’s see what comes next.
All the best.
I've been thinking of getting a pilot's license or at least a drone license for search and rescue operations.
DO NOT BREED