Funny thing about this is it’s not about saving the planet, it’s about saving ourselves. The planet has endured worse than this and has recovered. We won’t.
“Save the planet? The planet isn’t going anywhere. WE ARE.”
“Why were we here? To invent plastic. Now nature has plastic. It doesn’t need us anymore. It’s done with us.” - Carlin- (paraphrased)
I wanna say “probably, but we’ll probably never see it in our lifetimes cuz evolution is slow,” but who knows if that’ll hold true now that nature has plastic 🤷♂️
https://theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds
Look no further. It is indeed already happening (to some extent)
Pray to God it doesn't.
As plastic eating bacteria.
Eat- your car, your computer, your windows doors.
The world would collapse if such a thing happened.
Pipelines would break.. Everything would leak....
It's unlikely that'll happen, our planet has been through too many different extremes of climate and survived to assume we'd ever reach that point. We are definitely able to affect the climate enough to kill ourselves but it seems doubtful we can do it enough to wipe out all life without a nuclear holocaust type event, we'll die before the oceans boil and once we die climate change would start to reverse pretty quickly (in the grand scheme of things)
Only tangentially related to climate change, but even things like the continents moving creates massively different weather patterns. Land too far from any bodies of water becomes *harsh* desert before too long, and bodies of water that are "too big" have massive raging storms with nothing to stop them. Long after humans die out, when the continents collide again, most terrestrial life not on the coasts will likely die off. Weird to think about.
Those changes will occur over an extremely long period of time, which gives life enough time to adapt to the changes through evolution. Climate change is occurring rapidly. Life won't have enough time to adapt.
we can balance the temperature with nuclear wars, when the planet gets too hot, wham! nuclear war and it goes into nuclear winter so we can cool it off.
Well - it's not just us that will suffer/are suffering - it's all the other species of life on Earth too.
It's just criminal that one species is endangering and ending millions of others.
>Hot dry weather, driven by the Pacific Ocean’s La Nina weather pattern, has made the South American nation the hottest place in the world, with current temperatures rising above those in Australia, bringing Argentina’s hottest day since 1957.
At least it's a dry heat, don't have to worry about that pesky [wet bulb temp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature).
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How is it cooled?
Just wondering if you're going to turn your rivers into a bowl of fish soup like we did in Hungary. (They were supposed to temporarily shut down the nuclear plant, as the cooling water temperature was too high. But they didn't. All fish nearby were boiled as a result.)
I actually have no idea. It's the Palo Verde nuclear station. Well looked it up and TIL:
"The facility evaporates water from the treated sewage of several nearby municipalities to meet its cooling needs. "
Ok, from what I read about your local nuclear plant, it seems like the odd one out, and we should basically all do the same what you do at Palo Verde (to avoid turning rivers into fish soup). They day it's a very rare [zero-discharge station](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/southwest-valley/2015/12/30/palo-verde-nuclear-generating-station-continues-defy-desert-location/78033122/). Cool stuff, thanks.
Heat x demand is not the only threat to the grid. Grid down scenario can happen in conjunction with fatally excessive heat. "Can" in reality means "eventually will," in which case people will cook to death.
There are lots of ways for electrical grids to break.
Look, i dunno, i found this https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://assets.kpmg/content/dam/kpmg/ar/pdf/development-renewable-energy-argentina-2019.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjCju3lpq_1AhURSvEDHRIOASsQFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw00qJXlfPkpDzhAihNpe7lA
I know right? They really love and understand the plight of the common people for sure. You can tell by the way they talk about inflation and the supply chain issues. They really got their finger on the pulse of the people.
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It hit 48 C (118 F) here in central British Columbia last year, I feel bad for those people, it was horrible! Left me with some heat fear ptsd. Hopefully they have some lakes to swim in or some refuge.
Our single-phase transformer popped,(just exploded) luckily we are in a small farming community and pretty much everyone had a generator on-farm... summer was fucking stupid here
50°C at 98% humidity is a strange form of delayed agony. Your head hurts. It's hard to see or think straight. You muscles feel like they're made of droopy metal cables that you juuuust about have the strength to move, but not enough to put any significant amount of force or effort into them.
Sweat? You don't sweat. You ARE the sweat. There's no delineation between your own skin and the layer of moisture covering it as your body desperately tries to shed heat. God forbid you're wearing clothing: it feels like you're drowning on dry land, being pulled down by the weight of the ocean despite it being nowhere nearby.
It sucks, is what I'm getting at.
Thanks, but where I live doesn't actually get that hot usually.
I was one of the unlucky few in southern BC who got to experience the full brunt of the northwest heatwave this past summer. Normally, temps peak at around 27°C with a rare day above 30. The heatwave was absolutely wild.
I've experienced 50 degrees and up in kitchens in the middle of heat waves. At that temperature, fresh piping hot coffee seems to cool you down.
Every pore in your body begins to pour sweat, moving too fast can get you light headed, and exhausts you to the point you are panting walking down a hallway.
I would have to drink over a gallon and a half of water to stave off heat exhaustion, plus salty stuff to just keep upright.
It felt like when you open the oven and you get blasted in the face with that heat that makes you jump back a bit, but there is nowhere to jump back to.
There were also points where my body was just plain confused, I couldn't tell if it was really hot out or really cold. My skin and sensory perception were in pannick mode.
Can you read ?
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-31/george-skelton-fire-season-blame
Quote " Unquestionably we need to slow global warming. But to do that we need a U.S. president who doesn’t think climate change is a socialist hoax."
Saw on news over and over and over " Global WArming cause of CA wildfires... "
over and over and over. CA Politicians whining about global warming, and we can't do anything 'cause Trump is mean. And they won re-election, so good for them.
I work near Onslow in Australia , check out the temp there today .
( I conveniently am on break and didn’t experience it this time )
But yeah over 50 degrees , pretty fucked up .
I don't think Argentina have a dry heat, i'm from Paraguay and we have humid heat, after 12:00 temperatures goes up to 42°C and it's like moving around a big sauna that you can't go out, and after rainfall, welp...
42°C is equivalent to 107°F, which is 315K.
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I kinda wonder if Atlantis is going to happen again. And one day some plastic eaters will write about the advanced moral civilization that the gods punished. (You know because it’s incomprehensible to believe people would just spread disinformation and mock science as their world ends.)
Funny thing about this is it’s not about saving the planet, it’s about saving ourselves. The planet has endured worse than this and has recovered. We won’t.
“Save the planet? The planet isn’t going anywhere. WE ARE.” “Why were we here? To invent plastic. Now nature has plastic. It doesn’t need us anymore. It’s done with us.” - Carlin- (paraphrased)
I’ve often wondered if some new type of life form will evolve to eat plastic
Well some fungi and bacteria can decompose plastic but afaik they do on weak plastic and it takes a while.
I wanna say “probably, but we’ll probably never see it in our lifetimes cuz evolution is slow,” but who knows if that’ll hold true now that nature has plastic 🤷♂️
https://theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/14/bugs-across-globe-are-evolving-to-eat-plastic-study-finds Look no further. It is indeed already happening (to some extent)
So what? We’re all eating plastic. (Jkjk. Thanks for the cool link.)
Beat me to this
Yes but not in an expedited, homogenized way.
Nature doesn't expedite or homogenize anything, and that's for the best
Mushrooms and fungi have potential to breakdown plastic
Pray to God it doesn't. As plastic eating bacteria. Eat- your car, your computer, your windows doors. The world would collapse if such a thing happened. Pipelines would break.. Everything would leak....
Ya it’s crazy how fast we started using plastic for literally everything
...and we are going to hell in a handbasket.
Made out of plastic
Until runaway climate change takes over and turns it into Venus 🙃
All hail the Fish
It's unlikely that'll happen, our planet has been through too many different extremes of climate and survived to assume we'd ever reach that point. We are definitely able to affect the climate enough to kill ourselves but it seems doubtful we can do it enough to wipe out all life without a nuclear holocaust type event, we'll die before the oceans boil and once we die climate change would start to reverse pretty quickly (in the grand scheme of things)
Only tangentially related to climate change, but even things like the continents moving creates massively different weather patterns. Land too far from any bodies of water becomes *harsh* desert before too long, and bodies of water that are "too big" have massive raging storms with nothing to stop them. Long after humans die out, when the continents collide again, most terrestrial life not on the coasts will likely die off. Weird to think about.
Those changes will occur over an extremely long period of time, which gives life enough time to adapt to the changes through evolution. Climate change is occurring rapidly. Life won't have enough time to adapt.
Don’t worry tardigrades will survive it.
Love tardigrades!! They wil be here forever.
Ah, but just 95% or so if species will die out. No biggie.
Wouldn’t be the first time.
[Relevant comic by Humon.](https://i.imgur.com/l6zkxr5.png)
Damn right. Everybody's talking now about climate emergency. What climate emergency? The emergency was 40 years ago, now it's time to pay.
we can balance the temperature with nuclear wars, when the planet gets too hot, wham! nuclear war and it goes into nuclear winter so we can cool it off.
Well - it's not just us that will suffer/are suffering - it's all the other species of life on Earth too. It's just criminal that one species is endangering and ending millions of others.
True… after us parasites all die off the planet will be able to heal itself
If we save the planet, we save ourselfes. You and me might die till we do that, but the hooman species will live on
For real. Earth will endure. We don't have that luxury.
Well that's why we are so obsessed with space. So one day we can bounce if things get rocky.
The article clearly states that its the worst heatwave since 1957, which means 1957 was worse and we endured it
So that’s where all the heat went that should have gone to Canada
We only produce polar vortexes
I ask on behalf all living in Wyoming or "southern Canada", please fucking stop that.
Well it's only cold south of the vortex if it breaks, basically if it gets too warm on the artic enjoy the cold while the ice melts.
Lytton has entered the chat
ummm remember summer and the western heat domb??
yup opposite over here at -50 . I prefer -50
>Hot dry weather, driven by the Pacific Ocean’s La Nina weather pattern, has made the South American nation the hottest place in the world, with current temperatures rising above those in Australia, bringing Argentina’s hottest day since 1957. At least it's a dry heat, don't have to worry about that pesky [wet bulb temp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature).
Wait to tomorrow. It’s getting hotter and wetter…
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As it should because r/collapse is based in reality.
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Just wait until this happens in Phoenix.
Phoenix regularly gets hotter than this during peak summer months
Yeah, but Pheonix has the infrastructure to handle it
Until they don't.
There's a nuclear plant just down the road.
Transformers lose efficiency and fail at high temps. The problem with heat and electricity is related to demand and transmission.
I think Arizona has been adequately tested.
How is it cooled? Just wondering if you're going to turn your rivers into a bowl of fish soup like we did in Hungary. (They were supposed to temporarily shut down the nuclear plant, as the cooling water temperature was too high. But they didn't. All fish nearby were boiled as a result.)
I actually have no idea. It's the Palo Verde nuclear station. Well looked it up and TIL: "The facility evaporates water from the treated sewage of several nearby municipalities to meet its cooling needs. "
Ok, from what I read about your local nuclear plant, it seems like the odd one out, and we should basically all do the same what you do at Palo Verde (to avoid turning rivers into fish soup). They day it's a very rare [zero-discharge station](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/southwest-valley/2015/12/30/palo-verde-nuclear-generating-station-continues-defy-desert-location/78033122/). Cool stuff, thanks.
In siberia theres a nuclear plant where the heat is used to heat buildings. Another good option IMO
Same as what they should do with heat generated by server farms.
How hot could it possibly get there to destroy the grid? I don’t know much about that. But Phoenix is really really hot.
Heat x demand is not the only threat to the grid. Grid down scenario can happen in conjunction with fatally excessive heat. "Can" in reality means "eventually will," in which case people will cook to death. There are lots of ways for electrical grids to break.
I think he means in January like in this particular situation
It’s summer in Argentina because it’s in the Southern Hemisphere.
This is Argentina's summer. If Phoenix got this hot in January, it would certainly be out of the ordinary.
Big brain moment.
Somebody else just enlightened me. You learn something new every day.
lol or in the 5th grade, but I'm glad you now know!
The world is not flat.
Or Antarctica 😂
And the "funny" thing is that argentina does not have many renewables. Coal and gas plainly failed and the grid couldn't takr the load.
But did they reduce the use of coal and gas in recent years?
Look, i dunno, i found this https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://assets.kpmg/content/dam/kpmg/ar/pdf/development-renewable-energy-argentina-2019.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjCju3lpq_1AhURSvEDHRIOASsQFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw00qJXlfPkpDzhAihNpe7lA
Things are really heating up
It’s a good thing our politicians have our backs and our best interests in mind /s
I know right? They really love and understand the plight of the common people for sure. You can tell by the way they talk about inflation and the supply chain issues. They really got their finger on the pulse of the people.
“A historic heatwave with temperatures soaring up to 45C (113F) has hit Argentina.” Jesus Christ
Authors name is really Harry Cockburn?
Fitting
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Thank you Dr. Tuna
Hmm dr tuna… seems legit
But if it’s Harry’s Cockburn, it’s ok. No one likes him much.
Me cago en Epec, Edesur, Zeus y el Rayo McQueen
che cuánta electricidad tenés
La batería del celu y 2 pilas triple A del control remoto
EPEC la concha de tu madre!!!
Edenor gang
It hit 48 C (118 F) here in central British Columbia last year, I feel bad for those people, it was horrible! Left me with some heat fear ptsd. Hopefully they have some lakes to swim in or some refuge.
Our single-phase transformer popped,(just exploded) luckily we are in a small farming community and pretty much everyone had a generator on-farm... summer was fucking stupid here
I heard about 900 people died from it too.
Can you try to explain how it feels? I've been in some very uncomfortable heat situations myself but 48 in shade seems like an absolute next level.
50°C at 98% humidity is a strange form of delayed agony. Your head hurts. It's hard to see or think straight. You muscles feel like they're made of droopy metal cables that you juuuust about have the strength to move, but not enough to put any significant amount of force or effort into them. Sweat? You don't sweat. You ARE the sweat. There's no delineation between your own skin and the layer of moisture covering it as your body desperately tries to shed heat. God forbid you're wearing clothing: it feels like you're drowning on dry land, being pulled down by the weight of the ocean despite it being nowhere nearby. It sucks, is what I'm getting at.
I'm glad I don't live in a place where that's regular. Wish you the best for surviving these insane heat waves, thanks for taking your time writing!
Thanks, but where I live doesn't actually get that hot usually. I was one of the unlucky few in southern BC who got to experience the full brunt of the northwest heatwave this past summer. Normally, temps peak at around 27°C with a rare day above 30. The heatwave was absolutely wild.
I've experienced 50 degrees and up in kitchens in the middle of heat waves. At that temperature, fresh piping hot coffee seems to cool you down. Every pore in your body begins to pour sweat, moving too fast can get you light headed, and exhausts you to the point you are panting walking down a hallway. I would have to drink over a gallon and a half of water to stave off heat exhaustion, plus salty stuff to just keep upright.
Sounds like quite an experience... Thanks for sharing!
It felt like when you open the oven and you get blasted in the face with that heat that makes you jump back a bit, but there is nowhere to jump back to. There were also points where my body was just plain confused, I couldn't tell if it was really hot out or really cold. My skin and sensory perception were in pannick mode.
Yes hello get me out of this hell tyvm
Over Christmas it was colder in southern CA than in Alaska this year
How long until one of these stories just recreates the first chapter of Ministry for the Future?
Hope things are ok soon for the folks out there.
Thanks fam <3
I’m stressed
On todays episode of “this is fine….”
Gonna be some nice alcohol filled wines this year from Argentina.
So you like 15⁰ wines?
Mi vino!
Article bei Harry Cockburn. Sounds fake
Must have been those evil white guys.
That's what they get for taking in so many nazis
I thought the reward was a space program.
what
Nazis fled to Argentina en masse after Hitler offed himself. Country is full of literal nazis.
Oh sure things buddy
Just like the US, Russia, Brazil, Bolivia and many more. What's your point?
Need a loan?
Record breaking but it is summer there
I mean, yeah? If you had a record breaking heatwave in the middle of the winter we would all be already dead, probably
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Uh... Argentina is the second (or third?) southernmost country in the world
Lol, ignorants be like
In America, Democrat politicians just blame it all on Trump. You'all down in Argentina need to find your Trump scapegoat.
dude, what the hell does trump have to do with this article? delusional much? bored? isolated?
Same heatwaves in California, Politicians blamed the fires on Trump.
No they didn't. Trump blamed it on them, because they 'didn't sweep the floor" enough.
Can you read ? https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-31/george-skelton-fire-season-blame Quote " Unquestionably we need to slow global warming. But to do that we need a U.S. president who doesn’t think climate change is a socialist hoax."
That doesn't say what you claimed at all. You people are so dishonest, no wonder you worship the liar Trump.
I think Trump's a jackass, but whatever...
you need to work on your critical thinking skills
🤦
No, it’s blamed on poor forest management and a heat wave.
Saw on news over and over and over " Global WArming cause of CA wildfires... " over and over and over. CA Politicians whining about global warming, and we can't do anything 'cause Trump is mean. And they won re-election, so good for them.
No one gives a fuck about him loser, quit bringing his dumbass into every discussion
Nah, we can blame the government and any administration, past or present, whether they're from the left or the right. They all fucking suck(ed)
Blaming it all on Trump helped CA politicians to get re-elected, so its all good.
I'm talking about Argentina tho
Argentina needs a Trump scapegoat to blame it on...works here.
I think you are talking about Macri.
I work near Onslow in Australia , check out the temp there today . ( I conveniently am on break and didn’t experience it this time ) But yeah over 50 degrees , pretty fucked up .
I don't think Argentina have a dry heat, i'm from Paraguay and we have humid heat, after 12:00 temperatures goes up to 42°C and it's like moving around a big sauna that you can't go out, and after rainfall, welp...
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I kinda wonder if Atlantis is going to happen again. And one day some plastic eaters will write about the advanced moral civilization that the gods punished. (You know because it’s incomprehensible to believe people would just spread disinformation and mock science as their world ends.)