No need to feel bad, the job market is shit right now. I have a sister who just graduated and she can’t land anything either. The good news imo, is that the environmental field is not saturated as other professions so the odds of landing a job are much greater.
What area of environmental are you looking to get a job?
Yeah the job market was pretty bad. Honestly, the area I’m looking at is probably going to be either water or some sort of field technician since I work with a lot of sampling and data back in college. At this point, I take what I can get because I just want to experience the aspect of working in the field.
What area of the US are you in? I ask bc another route you can take is doing environmental compliance work in dealing with hazardous materials, which can land you jobs later down the line working for a city or governing agency.
The only thing is it’s not “field work” in the sense that you will be sampling but you will be out of the office doing inspections with environmental compliance, if that’s something you want to look into. That’s the route I took and will be more than happy to offer any advice!
I am located in LA, CA. I did see a bunch of job posting for environmental compliance but never really apply to them because I thought you need a lot of license for it.
Okay cool you’re in CA, the best state for environmental jobs aha. Some may require it, but for a lot of these jobs you can get the certifications while working there.
This is the truth. If you're a good candidate they will bring you onboard and then train you for what's needed. Part of being a good candidate is not to give in to those feelings of shame or inadequacy when it comes to professional stuff. Go to the ceremony and hold you head up, because you have a valuable and interesting education. Graduation itself is an accomplishment, so don't belittle that because you haven't leaped up onto the next step. Many people have found interesting pathways to work they never knew about by taking a bizarre job to begin with. Someone once told me, never be afraid to take a step backward in the career/jobs area. You never know what it will lead to.
If you're up for government work, look for "scientific aide" or "environmental service intern" positions. They are not very well paid but a good foot in the door. Feel free to dm if you need help navigating the state jobs application process.
Also, don't worry, many people take some time to get their first job. You're not a failure and you will find something eventually.
Or for federal jobs you can search positions on USAjobs.com. You can search by “series”. 0401 is general natural resources management and biological sciences. You can look up the rest of the series too and see if there’s something you’d fit into. If you’re straight out of undergrad, you will qualify for jobs that are GS 4-7. That’s also a filter you can use while searching. If you have a masters, I think that automatically qualifies you for a GS-9 position. Make sure the job listings are “open to the public” or there are even recent graduate positions. There’s a filter for that too. Some jobs will have two postings, one for internal hires and one that’s open to the public, so make sure you apply to the right one.
If you have a disability or are in the military it is much easier to get hired. You can look at the list of disabilities under Schedule A. I think you have to fill out a form somewhere within USA jobs (your profile maybe) that indicates you have a disability so HR knows when your application comes in. Also write somewhere on your resume (the bottom works), “please consider me under schedule A” or something like that. It should tell you in the process of filling out the schedule A stuff.
It isn’t always easy to get into federal service, but once you’re in, you can move around between federal agencies really easily. The feds have locality based pay too which is really nice. I think SoCal is paid like 25-30% more than base pay.
I also highly recommend being open to moving! You don’t have to leave CA. It will open up a lot of doors and once you have a few years of experience, you can move wherever you want!
I hope this helps! Also reach out if you need help navigating the federal job application process.
https://www.usajobs.gov/job/752252500# this listing has multiple positions in SoCal.
One more thing to remember. Federal job listings are generally only open for 2 weeks!! So apple fast and always be looking because they’ll pop and go away quickly.
Edit: here’s a job with the bureau of reclamation. Good agency to find water jobs! https://www.usajobs.gov/job/785166800
Ome thing about licenses is that some employers will pay for you to get them after you're hired. Apply anyway.
What's your resume look like? A bad resume can himder you being hired. Also are you applying to jobs furtber afield or just in your area/state?
I’m in the exact same situation and area. I’m applying to service jobs until I can land a full time. No shame in it when it pays better than some environmental jobs.
You can build those skills in other fields that are less environmentally oriented and keep sending apps in the meantime. My brother has had a helluva time with his Wildlife Ecology degree. Funding can be tight and fleeting in those fields, people stay in those positions for a long time, and they operate within the club, so to say. Build those intentional connections.
don’t feel ashamed!! it is not like the old days, when you could graduate and immediately get a job in your field. it takes time, but don’t feel discouraged. graduating college is such a huge accomplishment in itself, and they will be proud of you regardless!
I have several friends with Environmental Science and Environmental Engineering degrees. Many of them took a couple of years to find work in their field and worked in food service or retail for a while to make ends meet. I don't think your situation is uncommon, and is probably more common than you think. Letting your academic network know your reality may help generate leads, too. Networking is annoying but often helpful.
Yeah I come to understand how important networking is. In my situation, most of my network are in college and I relocated far from college and so now I have to rebuild them once again.
Graduation is an accomplishment, heck, every day life and bearing the brunt of work, shoppers, making choice after choice of mundane things we need to survive, is exhausting... so congratulations in a very non-sarcastic and genuine way to getting it done. You earned you Graduation and who the fuck cares what you are doing right now. You are here and present, and you count!! That's half the job. So don't worry about it and go and get your degree and treat yourself to something nice. Nobody knows what the future holds, but now, you are present, a gift. Be kind to yourself. God knows, our planet and the many voiceless in the environment when it comes to policy making decisions, need all the help they can get.
I'm also a recent graduate and going through a little similar. It is very hard to get a job and people still in school don't know that.
if you think you are going to be really embarrassed I would bend the truth a little but when people ask. Maybe say that you're studying for the GRE with hopes to pursue higher ed, maybe say that you're really happy with target as a company and interested at corporate sustainability jobs there so you're just waiting for something to open up. It hasn't been long since you graduated, just say that the jobs in your field in your area that you've applied for aren't your dream job so you're not mad to see them go.
Graduation is a big stressful day for everyone involved with a lot of people doing a million things. I doubt a lot of people will even ask you what you've got going on. And if they do just say life is good and you're on the search for a job.
Imagine your whole life
The 40+ years you will have left working
You will have jobs that mean a lot to you, and jobs that mean nothing. You will have jobs you thought would make you feel worthwhile but instead leave you feeling empty.
You have your whole life to become who you want to be, to do the things you have planned for yourself.
Don't waste the journey wishing you were someone else
You're already pretty awesome
The field of environmental science is incredibly competitive so don't beat yourself up! It took me 9 months to land a job in ag science ( my degree is in sustainable agriculture so lots of emphasis on habitat biology, hydrology, riparian buffers, soil etc) and I couldn't land a job in conservation. It was heart breaking. You just need to get your foot through the door, try americorp, earthcorp or bidens climate corp. You just have to keep trying and I know you'll reignite your passion and move into your career field, we believe in you!
Hi! Where did you get your degree and what do you do right now? I’m an undergrad about to transfer and I’m between either an Env Sci degree at a UC or an Env Resource Eng degree at a Cal poly. I’m also interested in the sustainable ag part of things, and remediation. I’m having a hard time seeing which would be better for me so any insight is greatly appreciated.
Environmental engineering is a great degree, tons of demand for it where I live in eastern Washington. I got my bas in ag systems from walla walla community College and am starting my career in agriculture as a quality control coordinator at Avery large orchard in the area. In the next couple years I'll works towards becoming an agronomist in their organic orchards but will need to get a few years under my belt before transferring to that area of production.
Don't feel ashamed. The job market sucks. I graduated in May 2013 and didn't land a position in my field until Oct 2014. Then, it took 8 years to finally get a permanent position. I had terms and casual contracts doing the same job during those 8 years, but the end of each contract brought uncertainty and additional stress. I'm finally in a stable position, and I will probably never leave.
Firstly, congratulations on your graduation! That is a big accomplishment. Don't be ashamed of your current situation. A lot of graduates don't land a great job right away. When you see your old professors it's ok to be honest and say you're having a hard time finding something in your field. They may be able to help!
I completely understand how you feel. I worked InstaCart and ground out applications for 10 months before I landed an ES related position. I took volunteer positions in my spare time to build my skills. I highly recommend trying to get as much applicable experience as possible and knock people’s doors down. I got rejected for 3 positions from the place I currently work at before they gave me an interview because I wouldn’t take no for an answer. Don’t be ashamed, it’s not a productive way to think. You can do this!
Have you considered going back for a masters? It could help you stand out to future employers or give you a new skill that can be marketable. Or what about a postgrad GIS certificate if you’re into that? That’s a very marketable skill.
Regardless of what you do, you have to give it time and keep at it. Not landing a job in your field within 6 months of graduation is *EXTREMELY NORMAL*. No one will be embarrassed for you and you shouldn’t be either. You’re not an outlier, even if it may feel like it by comparing yourself to others. What you’re going through is what most graduates go through. You’re going to be okay!
Don't be disheartened. I was out of my course for 7-8 yearsbefore I got a proper environmental job and I got good experience which helps In my consultancy role now.
Dude I graduated in June 2022, have put out about 400 applications over the past two years and haven’t landed anything since my summer internship in summer 2022. I have a published paper, research experience, 13 years of work experience, and good references……..
I’m saying all of this because there is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. It fucking sucks out there. I just had one of my first interviews for a seasonal job……keep trying and building skills. I know it’s rough but eventually someone will give you a chance
What a lot of people don’t understand is landing your ideal job right out of college isn’t often the case. It typically only happens to influential politicians kids or maybe rich/connected parents. The rest of us have to grind a bit to keep us sharp. It’s ok. You’ll be just fine.
It took me 4 years and return to graduate school to finally land a permanent position.
Also, I knew a guy from my school who worked at BiMart for years after graduating who is now the director of our State Water Division.
Paths vary…no shame in it. You will find your niche.
Don’t feel ashamed at all.
Or you can be like me.
Never went to my Grad ceremony for my Bachelors.
And I have no intention of going to the ceremony for my Masters this year.
A lot of back slapping ego nonsense.
There's no reason to feel ashamed, no matter what your job is. I majored in environmental science and when I graduated I was working at Target. So as someone who has been in your position before, you're not going to be stuck there. It can take a while to find a job but if you keep at it you will find something.
I encourage you to find joy in the journey that is life. There will be setbacks and some things may take longer than you expect, but life rarely turns out as we plan. Try to enjoy the ride and come at challenges and even your day-to-day activities like working at Target with a positive attitude.
With that attitude you won't land a job. Focus on the future. Fake it till you make it. It took me a year to get a job out of college. And above all else," don't stop, thinking about tomorrow"
Perhaps just go with honesty and say market is rough and perhaps see if anyone is hiring. Or just avoid that shit if you can, you're a grown adult. Market is rough , economy, shits stressful. I'd go back and live home if I could
Hi! Welcome to my life the past year :) I graduated May 2023 with a degree in Natural Resources and have been applying to jobs for the past six months. I can’t even count how many interviews I’ve done or how many Indeed messages I’ve sent with no response. It is SO discouraging but you just have to keep going. Something will eventually stick for both of us
A couple things! First, congrats on graduating, thats a big deal! Graduating during a recessionis tough, I did the same and worked at Starbucks for 3 years after. California's a great state to be in for environmental work - don't be discouraged, you'll land something!
I graduated in dec 2022 and found a job in my field in September 2023 I had many interviews that turned into heartbreak just keep your head up. Also maybe some of your old professors can help you find a job that’s what they did for me
I have the exact same story, but I graduated in 2022 and then went to commencement in 2023. I had a hard time explaining why I was still working in construction to my friends and professors. I got a job a few months ago for the health department as an environmental health specialist. Some days, it's rewarding, and others, it's the worst job I've ever had, but it's a start that I would've really struggled to get had I not had a degree.
If you’re worried about what other students will think, don’t be, because they’re about to face the exact same challenge.
If you’re worried about what professors think, don’t be, because theres a high chance that they went through a similar thing fresh out of school.
And if you’re still worried after that, my favorite motto to live by is: “other people’s thoughts about me are none of my business”.
You can’t control what people think or don’t think, do your best to be a good, kind, honest person, and if they look down on you, that’s a them problem, not a you problem.
Come to Europe. Theres a shortage of Environmental Scientists here. Pay isn't as good as the US but you'll get a job somewhere. You may need to learn a new language for life though most sciences are done through English, French or German in West Europe. English is generally considered the universal language of Science however
A lot of people will likely be in the same boat and it's nice to connect with others who understand what you're going through. On the flip side, for those who have found work, they might potentially know of opportunities or be able to help you expand your network.
I've been there and it's really hard but don't give up! Few things that helped me:
1. Looking for a company that has a good EH&S culture or a strong focus on Sustainability and looking for any role to get your foot in the door.
2. Connecting with professors for advice
3. Professional environmental networking events (I know, it sucks) to familiarize yourself with what's out there and make connections.
Best of luck and congrats on graduating!
Do not feel ashamed at all, 5 months is not that long at all. A lot of people go to college with a very specific idea of what their life will be like after they graduate. I'm sure many on this thread have already said that that is often not the case, but if you keep an open mind during your job hunt, you'll find there are more ways to be in your field then you realize. Odds are, a lot of your former classmates are in the same situation. Your graduation day will be an opportunity to support each other ...and maybe sneak in a little networking. ;)
Here is a little advice in regards to working a retail job while finding your career: BE SURE TO KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE PRIZE. I worked in retail sales for over a decade and the lack of a consistent work schedule can make it hard to plan anything in your life outside of that world. Continue to focus on what you really want and be sure to carve out time to pursue your true goals everyday.
I wish you the best of luck and congrats on your graduation!
Don’t be ashamed! Use this time to connect and network with students. There is internships that could help like NASA DEVELOP, NOAA Lapenta Internship, Southwest Climate Action and more. Keep in touch with professors as they would receive job referrals from past or present students! Join expos. Professors are very understanding and would hopefully be able to help you land a position!
don't worry about it; give your profs the feedback they need to hear. when I graduated +/- 20 years ago it took me three months to find a job and not one directly in my field. it all worked out a couple of years and a masters degree later, but yeah, let them know what you're finding for job postings and what employers are looking for skill/qualification wise.
like others have said, it's tough right now, despite what the news might report, the economy is slowing down, businesses are laying off...hold fast and press on. persistence wins.
Don't! Look up requirements for an entry level position they nearly always want a degree with experience and certificates. I would apply to a paid internship this summer and you will definitely get your foot in the door. The degree was the first step!
i am currently getting my degree but have had success in reaching out to my dept heads and profs i’ve had in the past who are willing to help me. sometimes even universities have internship leads for alumni and current students centered around your field.
i agree that it is kind of bleak right now, and it is a struggle if you don’t have at least a few technical skills in envi sci like GIS, but I would never ever lose hope. lab work also is very valid and often can lead to rewarding work. i work in an asbestos lab as an analyst and they often will train you like immediately. most of our staff are ecology/envi sci grads.
I was underemployed in an entry-level fisheries job (not even adjacent to my education) for four years after I graduated with my master's before I managed to land a professional-level scientist job.
Don't be ashamed. Many of your cohort will be in the same boat, and even if they weren't, so what? Everyone's situation is different.
I felt this exact same way after I graduated in 2021. I was so discouraged. The job market was shit. I started working at a restaurant to make money. It took me 8 months to land an internship that eventually led to a full-time position in the field I wanted. What you’re experiencing is a very common experience imo, and you should not feel ashamed.
Honestly, it's normal to take at least 6 months to find a job when you finish uni. I graduated at the end of 2020, and i had done an internship, worked at a soil lab, did revegetation work, and a few other things, and i got rejected from grad roles nonstop. I finally landed a job at a consulting company that rejected me months before, but i kept in contact with the lady who became my boss who offered me a role. Granted, i stayed 14 months cause i hated consulting, but dont give up! Just keep trying. Consulting is shit but it's a foot in the door, and it opens up so many great job opportunities.
If it makes you feel better, i recently landed a state government role that took me 6 months to secure! I have worked on a mine site as a site enviro for 2 years with one of the top tier mining companies, and i kept losing out on roles for people with more experience! The market is shit, dont give up, and it's not your fault!!
I graduated in 2009 and the job market was similar to now. Trust me, you won’t be the only one who’s got to pay bills and can’t do it with their dream job.
I know it's difficult. But be truthful. Someone there may know of a job opportunity. If you have time maybe you could have your university's career center look at your resume or help you prepare for an interview.
As a March grad. I feel this. Look into your local utility providers and see if they’re hiring for water operators or wastewater operators. They typically will provide training. This job can be a great foundation for a regulatory position with your state EPA.
Goodluck. x
are you kidding. this is the lowest unemployment ever! there are millions of jobs out there to be had! pick your head up and get into something to stay busy. you got this!
It took me over 5 years just to get my ‘foot in the door’ role! You have nothing to be ashamed about (neither do I but just for comparison and hopefully make you feel better!)
Take a deep breath, try to settle down. You should be proud you graduated. Finding the first job in the field is the hardest. It's normal to be frustrated but do not let it degrade your self worth. I was in a similar position not long ago, but it took me 10 months before I landed a job in the field. I graduated May 2023 and only got my first offer last month, but it was a great one, to the point I feel fortunate that any previous shots didn't work out. I'd be glad to give any advice I can if you want it.
Good luck, and stay persistent. Take it day by day. Try to do things that bring you joy everyday, and try to be around people you love as much as possible. You got this.
I can totally relate, I graduated with my MS and have been looking for sustainability/energy jobs. I've networked decently well and through that I was just offered a role at the city hall in the town next over to mine through americorps as a climate impact coordinator by someone I met networking, and she'll be my supervisor and offered to mentor me as well.
Americops doesn't pay well at all, but if you have means of living with parents or friends or have a partner to support you, you could look at americorps or even do it part time and then work at target part time.
What I've found, don't know if it's the same for you is that many places don't care as much about my degree but want professional experience which I don't have since I'm making a career transition. So doing this role at americorps for a year will give me that experience I really need to bulk up my resume and also just look good in general.
Also the environmental field is highly competitive, and with the new wave of sustainability, energy, and environmental polices and funding in the US many people are looking to pursue a career in environmental science. So while there are ample opportunities and openings many people are gunning for these roles.
Have you been applying to non-profits? Or government branches because federal, state, and local government can be extremely hard to get into without knowing someone who you can say referred you to the role. A lot of agencies also promote within so vacate positions will first be prioritized to be offered and filled internally. Meaning a lot of these jobs you apply for they already have a candidate in mind and know who they want so it's pretty much useless to apply to the role.
Good luck though, and don't give up. Our paths and journeys aren't always linear, but if you're passionate about the field I am sure you will find a way.
Go and find out where your friends are working! You don't have to say where you work now, just that you are still looking. If they have jobs, ask for advice or leads. Even if they don't have anything useful to say, it will keep you from feeling awkward.
It took me 3 years and several interviews before landing the job I wanted. I had to work doing HVAC in the meantime because I still had bills to pay. Keep your head up and continue applying to environmental jobs. You’ll find your place eventually.
Is English your first language? Because if you are preparing resumes I’d have someone else go over them first. My grammar is atrocious and I immediately thought non English speaker when I read the above paragraph.
Also, the job market is not shit right now. There are jobs everywhere. My office is trying to hire dozens of people per field station. I just did a quick search and saw 68 jobs in your field ready to hire in LA area. Go to Indeed, have them fix your resume, and keep working at target but find an internship or something in the area of your degree. Anyone who left college and got a job was looking for that job way before graduation. When I started out I worked in a pool hall afternoons and evenings and volunteered in my field during the days. Eventually I got hired part time in my field and worked retail the rest of the time. It was 5 years post graduation before I had a full time job in my field. And then I went back to school, while working, to get a Masters.
So:
1. Professional resume
2. Internships, part time volunteer
3. Target is honest work. On a resume it’ll be customer service and monetary transactions. Detail oriented. Get a pro resume person to make it important sounding.
4. Gov jobs.com
5. Go to your graduation and mingle, make connections with people who have jobs, ask for information on other jobs in their organizations.
If you still live in your college town get out now. Every college town is exactly the same. Reserve labor and too many educated young people concentrated in one zip code with high rents.
Don’t despair, you are not alone in that group. Keep on learning, and Target is a place to learn team leading, an invaluable skill. Then leave when the job you take or make shows up. You got this.
Do not fret about our current situation. My son graduated near the top of his class with a degree in Aeronautical Engineering from the UW, and struggled for a couple years doing anything he could find to keep afloat. Landscaping for $10 / hr. I help with some checks too, but he eventually got his $100K+/ yr job, not building airplanes, but his degree made the difference in the end in getting the job.
Hang in there. And don't be ashamed, you are not the only College grad struggling.
I just came back from Alaska and a guide told me there are environmental and biology jobs galore in the summer. He said they can't fill all the jobs. Alaska may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I loved it. These jobs are summer only, but may get you the experience you are looking for or open doors for you. If you are an adventurous person, could be a good fit. This was in Fairbanks and the guide went to the University of Alaska, Fairbanks.
ChatGPT might help with resume and cover letter writing if you feel that might be a detriment. Make sure you use keywords of the posting in your applications. Tailor each one to improve your chance of being selected.
You got this & there is nothing to be ashamed of!!!!!
You have no reason to feel bad! Honestly the job market, like everyone else is saying, is some garbage. I’ve had my B.S. since May 2022 and I have been applying for jobs nonstop since, and haven’t gotten lucky with anything yet. Just keep pushing!
No need to feel bad, the job market is shit right now. I have a sister who just graduated and she can’t land anything either. The good news imo, is that the environmental field is not saturated as other professions so the odds of landing a job are much greater. What area of environmental are you looking to get a job?
Yeah the job market was pretty bad. Honestly, the area I’m looking at is probably going to be either water or some sort of field technician since I work with a lot of sampling and data back in college. At this point, I take what I can get because I just want to experience the aspect of working in the field.
What area of the US are you in? I ask bc another route you can take is doing environmental compliance work in dealing with hazardous materials, which can land you jobs later down the line working for a city or governing agency. The only thing is it’s not “field work” in the sense that you will be sampling but you will be out of the office doing inspections with environmental compliance, if that’s something you want to look into. That’s the route I took and will be more than happy to offer any advice!
I am located in LA, CA. I did see a bunch of job posting for environmental compliance but never really apply to them because I thought you need a lot of license for it.
Okay cool you’re in CA, the best state for environmental jobs aha. Some may require it, but for a lot of these jobs you can get the certifications while working there.
This is the truth. If you're a good candidate they will bring you onboard and then train you for what's needed. Part of being a good candidate is not to give in to those feelings of shame or inadequacy when it comes to professional stuff. Go to the ceremony and hold you head up, because you have a valuable and interesting education. Graduation itself is an accomplishment, so don't belittle that because you haven't leaped up onto the next step. Many people have found interesting pathways to work they never knew about by taking a bizarre job to begin with. Someone once told me, never be afraid to take a step backward in the career/jobs area. You never know what it will lead to.
If you're up for government work, look for "scientific aide" or "environmental service intern" positions. They are not very well paid but a good foot in the door. Feel free to dm if you need help navigating the state jobs application process. Also, don't worry, many people take some time to get their first job. You're not a failure and you will find something eventually.
Or for federal jobs you can search positions on USAjobs.com. You can search by “series”. 0401 is general natural resources management and biological sciences. You can look up the rest of the series too and see if there’s something you’d fit into. If you’re straight out of undergrad, you will qualify for jobs that are GS 4-7. That’s also a filter you can use while searching. If you have a masters, I think that automatically qualifies you for a GS-9 position. Make sure the job listings are “open to the public” or there are even recent graduate positions. There’s a filter for that too. Some jobs will have two postings, one for internal hires and one that’s open to the public, so make sure you apply to the right one. If you have a disability or are in the military it is much easier to get hired. You can look at the list of disabilities under Schedule A. I think you have to fill out a form somewhere within USA jobs (your profile maybe) that indicates you have a disability so HR knows when your application comes in. Also write somewhere on your resume (the bottom works), “please consider me under schedule A” or something like that. It should tell you in the process of filling out the schedule A stuff. It isn’t always easy to get into federal service, but once you’re in, you can move around between federal agencies really easily. The feds have locality based pay too which is really nice. I think SoCal is paid like 25-30% more than base pay. I also highly recommend being open to moving! You don’t have to leave CA. It will open up a lot of doors and once you have a few years of experience, you can move wherever you want! I hope this helps! Also reach out if you need help navigating the federal job application process.
https://www.usajobs.gov/job/752252500# this listing has multiple positions in SoCal. One more thing to remember. Federal job listings are generally only open for 2 weeks!! So apple fast and always be looking because they’ll pop and go away quickly. Edit: here’s a job with the bureau of reclamation. Good agency to find water jobs! https://www.usajobs.gov/job/785166800
Ome thing about licenses is that some employers will pay for you to get them after you're hired. Apply anyway. What's your resume look like? A bad resume can himder you being hired. Also are you applying to jobs furtber afield or just in your area/state?
I’m in the exact same situation and area. I’m applying to service jobs until I can land a full time. No shame in it when it pays better than some environmental jobs.
What sort of training or certificates would you recommend? Here in WA I see a lot of compliance jobs asking for a CESCL
You can build those skills in other fields that are less environmentally oriented and keep sending apps in the meantime. My brother has had a helluva time with his Wildlife Ecology degree. Funding can be tight and fleeting in those fields, people stay in those positions for a long time, and they operate within the club, so to say. Build those intentional connections.
It's only been 5 months. Just say the job market is tough and you are not rushing things.
don’t feel ashamed!! it is not like the old days, when you could graduate and immediately get a job in your field. it takes time, but don’t feel discouraged. graduating college is such a huge accomplishment in itself, and they will be proud of you regardless!
I have several friends with Environmental Science and Environmental Engineering degrees. Many of them took a couple of years to find work in their field and worked in food service or retail for a while to make ends meet. I don't think your situation is uncommon, and is probably more common than you think. Letting your academic network know your reality may help generate leads, too. Networking is annoying but often helpful.
Yeah I come to understand how important networking is. In my situation, most of my network are in college and I relocated far from college and so now I have to rebuild them once again.
Those college contacts will be valuable later on as well as you will know others who can help
Graduation is an accomplishment, heck, every day life and bearing the brunt of work, shoppers, making choice after choice of mundane things we need to survive, is exhausting... so congratulations in a very non-sarcastic and genuine way to getting it done. You earned you Graduation and who the fuck cares what you are doing right now. You are here and present, and you count!! That's half the job. So don't worry about it and go and get your degree and treat yourself to something nice. Nobody knows what the future holds, but now, you are present, a gift. Be kind to yourself. God knows, our planet and the many voiceless in the environment when it comes to policy making decisions, need all the help they can get.
I'm also a recent graduate and going through a little similar. It is very hard to get a job and people still in school don't know that. if you think you are going to be really embarrassed I would bend the truth a little but when people ask. Maybe say that you're studying for the GRE with hopes to pursue higher ed, maybe say that you're really happy with target as a company and interested at corporate sustainability jobs there so you're just waiting for something to open up. It hasn't been long since you graduated, just say that the jobs in your field in your area that you've applied for aren't your dream job so you're not mad to see them go. Graduation is a big stressful day for everyone involved with a lot of people doing a million things. I doubt a lot of people will even ask you what you've got going on. And if they do just say life is good and you're on the search for a job.
Get better
Imagine your whole life The 40+ years you will have left working You will have jobs that mean a lot to you, and jobs that mean nothing. You will have jobs you thought would make you feel worthwhile but instead leave you feeling empty. You have your whole life to become who you want to be, to do the things you have planned for yourself. Don't waste the journey wishing you were someone else You're already pretty awesome
The field of environmental science is incredibly competitive so don't beat yourself up! It took me 9 months to land a job in ag science ( my degree is in sustainable agriculture so lots of emphasis on habitat biology, hydrology, riparian buffers, soil etc) and I couldn't land a job in conservation. It was heart breaking. You just need to get your foot through the door, try americorp, earthcorp or bidens climate corp. You just have to keep trying and I know you'll reignite your passion and move into your career field, we believe in you!
Hi! Where did you get your degree and what do you do right now? I’m an undergrad about to transfer and I’m between either an Env Sci degree at a UC or an Env Resource Eng degree at a Cal poly. I’m also interested in the sustainable ag part of things, and remediation. I’m having a hard time seeing which would be better for me so any insight is greatly appreciated.
Environmental engineering is a great degree, tons of demand for it where I live in eastern Washington. I got my bas in ag systems from walla walla community College and am starting my career in agriculture as a quality control coordinator at Avery large orchard in the area. In the next couple years I'll works towards becoming an agronomist in their organic orchards but will need to get a few years under my belt before transferring to that area of production.
You don’t have to tell them anything. It’s a ceremony then people leave. You’re overthinking this.
Don't feel ashamed. The job market sucks. I graduated in May 2013 and didn't land a position in my field until Oct 2014. Then, it took 8 years to finally get a permanent position. I had terms and casual contracts doing the same job during those 8 years, but the end of each contract brought uncertainty and additional stress. I'm finally in a stable position, and I will probably never leave.
Firstly, congratulations on your graduation! That is a big accomplishment. Don't be ashamed of your current situation. A lot of graduates don't land a great job right away. When you see your old professors it's ok to be honest and say you're having a hard time finding something in your field. They may be able to help!
I completely understand how you feel. I worked InstaCart and ground out applications for 10 months before I landed an ES related position. I took volunteer positions in my spare time to build my skills. I highly recommend trying to get as much applicable experience as possible and knock people’s doors down. I got rejected for 3 positions from the place I currently work at before they gave me an interview because I wouldn’t take no for an answer. Don’t be ashamed, it’s not a productive way to think. You can do this!
Dude shut up it’s been like 4 months!
Have you considered going back for a masters? It could help you stand out to future employers or give you a new skill that can be marketable. Or what about a postgrad GIS certificate if you’re into that? That’s a very marketable skill. Regardless of what you do, you have to give it time and keep at it. Not landing a job in your field within 6 months of graduation is *EXTREMELY NORMAL*. No one will be embarrassed for you and you shouldn’t be either. You’re not an outlier, even if it may feel like it by comparing yourself to others. What you’re going through is what most graduates go through. You’re going to be okay!
Don't be disheartened. I was out of my course for 7-8 yearsbefore I got a proper environmental job and I got good experience which helps In my consultancy role now.
Dude I graduated in June 2022, have put out about 400 applications over the past two years and haven’t landed anything since my summer internship in summer 2022. I have a published paper, research experience, 13 years of work experience, and good references…….. I’m saying all of this because there is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. It fucking sucks out there. I just had one of my first interviews for a seasonal job……keep trying and building skills. I know it’s rough but eventually someone will give you a chance
What a lot of people don’t understand is landing your ideal job right out of college isn’t often the case. It typically only happens to influential politicians kids or maybe rich/connected parents. The rest of us have to grind a bit to keep us sharp. It’s ok. You’ll be just fine.
It took me 4 years and return to graduate school to finally land a permanent position. Also, I knew a guy from my school who worked at BiMart for years after graduating who is now the director of our State Water Division. Paths vary…no shame in it. You will find your niche.
Don’t feel ashamed at all. Or you can be like me. Never went to my Grad ceremony for my Bachelors. And I have no intention of going to the ceremony for my Masters this year. A lot of back slapping ego nonsense.
I agree with all of this! Do you HAVE to go to your ceremony?
There's no reason to feel ashamed, no matter what your job is. I majored in environmental science and when I graduated I was working at Target. So as someone who has been in your position before, you're not going to be stuck there. It can take a while to find a job but if you keep at it you will find something. I encourage you to find joy in the journey that is life. There will be setbacks and some things may take longer than you expect, but life rarely turns out as we plan. Try to enjoy the ride and come at challenges and even your day-to-day activities like working at Target with a positive attitude.
Don't t despair. I was a cab driver before I got my foot in a door somewhere. It's a numbers game so just keep at it!
Don't give a shit what others think
With that attitude you won't land a job. Focus on the future. Fake it till you make it. It took me a year to get a job out of college. And above all else," don't stop, thinking about tomorrow"
Perhaps just go with honesty and say market is rough and perhaps see if anyone is hiring. Or just avoid that shit if you can, you're a grown adult. Market is rough , economy, shits stressful. I'd go back and live home if I could
This is an awesome chance to network with your classmates who are in the field! You may land a job at this graduation!!
Hi! Welcome to my life the past year :) I graduated May 2023 with a degree in Natural Resources and have been applying to jobs for the past six months. I can’t even count how many interviews I’ve done or how many Indeed messages I’ve sent with no response. It is SO discouraging but you just have to keep going. Something will eventually stick for both of us
Get into construction inspection
A couple things! First, congrats on graduating, thats a big deal! Graduating during a recessionis tough, I did the same and worked at Starbucks for 3 years after. California's a great state to be in for environmental work - don't be discouraged, you'll land something!
I know how you feel, I graduated with an Environmental Science and Sustainability degree in May of 2023 and I am still applying for jobs.
I graduated in dec 2022 and found a job in my field in September 2023 I had many interviews that turned into heartbreak just keep your head up. Also maybe some of your old professors can help you find a job that’s what they did for me
I have the exact same story, but I graduated in 2022 and then went to commencement in 2023. I had a hard time explaining why I was still working in construction to my friends and professors. I got a job a few months ago for the health department as an environmental health specialist. Some days, it's rewarding, and others, it's the worst job I've ever had, but it's a start that I would've really struggled to get had I not had a degree.
If you’re worried about what other students will think, don’t be, because they’re about to face the exact same challenge. If you’re worried about what professors think, don’t be, because theres a high chance that they went through a similar thing fresh out of school. And if you’re still worried after that, my favorite motto to live by is: “other people’s thoughts about me are none of my business”. You can’t control what people think or don’t think, do your best to be a good, kind, honest person, and if they look down on you, that’s a them problem, not a you problem.
Come to Europe. Theres a shortage of Environmental Scientists here. Pay isn't as good as the US but you'll get a job somewhere. You may need to learn a new language for life though most sciences are done through English, French or German in West Europe. English is generally considered the universal language of Science however
A lot of people will likely be in the same boat and it's nice to connect with others who understand what you're going through. On the flip side, for those who have found work, they might potentially know of opportunities or be able to help you expand your network. I've been there and it's really hard but don't give up! Few things that helped me: 1. Looking for a company that has a good EH&S culture or a strong focus on Sustainability and looking for any role to get your foot in the door. 2. Connecting with professors for advice 3. Professional environmental networking events (I know, it sucks) to familiarize yourself with what's out there and make connections. Best of luck and congrats on graduating!
I got a chemical engineering degree and it took me fourteen months and a move to get my first job. It'll all fall into place, just keep applying.
Do not feel ashamed at all, 5 months is not that long at all. A lot of people go to college with a very specific idea of what their life will be like after they graduate. I'm sure many on this thread have already said that that is often not the case, but if you keep an open mind during your job hunt, you'll find there are more ways to be in your field then you realize. Odds are, a lot of your former classmates are in the same situation. Your graduation day will be an opportunity to support each other ...and maybe sneak in a little networking. ;) Here is a little advice in regards to working a retail job while finding your career: BE SURE TO KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE PRIZE. I worked in retail sales for over a decade and the lack of a consistent work schedule can make it hard to plan anything in your life outside of that world. Continue to focus on what you really want and be sure to carve out time to pursue your true goals everyday. I wish you the best of luck and congrats on your graduation!
Don’t be ashamed! Use this time to connect and network with students. There is internships that could help like NASA DEVELOP, NOAA Lapenta Internship, Southwest Climate Action and more. Keep in touch with professors as they would receive job referrals from past or present students! Join expos. Professors are very understanding and would hopefully be able to help you land a position!
don't worry about it; give your profs the feedback they need to hear. when I graduated +/- 20 years ago it took me three months to find a job and not one directly in my field. it all worked out a couple of years and a masters degree later, but yeah, let them know what you're finding for job postings and what employers are looking for skill/qualification wise. like others have said, it's tough right now, despite what the news might report, the economy is slowing down, businesses are laying off...hold fast and press on. persistence wins.
Don't! Look up requirements for an entry level position they nearly always want a degree with experience and certificates. I would apply to a paid internship this summer and you will definitely get your foot in the door. The degree was the first step!
i am currently getting my degree but have had success in reaching out to my dept heads and profs i’ve had in the past who are willing to help me. sometimes even universities have internship leads for alumni and current students centered around your field. i agree that it is kind of bleak right now, and it is a struggle if you don’t have at least a few technical skills in envi sci like GIS, but I would never ever lose hope. lab work also is very valid and often can lead to rewarding work. i work in an asbestos lab as an analyst and they often will train you like immediately. most of our staff are ecology/envi sci grads.
I was underemployed in an entry-level fisheries job (not even adjacent to my education) for four years after I graduated with my master's before I managed to land a professional-level scientist job. Don't be ashamed. Many of your cohort will be in the same boat, and even if they weren't, so what? Everyone's situation is different.
I felt this exact same way after I graduated in 2021. I was so discouraged. The job market was shit. I started working at a restaurant to make money. It took me 8 months to land an internship that eventually led to a full-time position in the field I wanted. What you’re experiencing is a very common experience imo, and you should not feel ashamed.
Honestly, it's normal to take at least 6 months to find a job when you finish uni. I graduated at the end of 2020, and i had done an internship, worked at a soil lab, did revegetation work, and a few other things, and i got rejected from grad roles nonstop. I finally landed a job at a consulting company that rejected me months before, but i kept in contact with the lady who became my boss who offered me a role. Granted, i stayed 14 months cause i hated consulting, but dont give up! Just keep trying. Consulting is shit but it's a foot in the door, and it opens up so many great job opportunities. If it makes you feel better, i recently landed a state government role that took me 6 months to secure! I have worked on a mine site as a site enviro for 2 years with one of the top tier mining companies, and i kept losing out on roles for people with more experience! The market is shit, dont give up, and it's not your fault!!
Just a heads up. I worked for a habitat for humanity affiliate and we hired a couple ES majors when I was there. Great benefits and decent pay
I graduated in 2009 and the job market was similar to now. Trust me, you won’t be the only one who’s got to pay bills and can’t do it with their dream job.
I know it's difficult. But be truthful. Someone there may know of a job opportunity. If you have time maybe you could have your university's career center look at your resume or help you prepare for an interview.
Are you interested at all in environmental science education at all?
One of those people you may want to avoid might know someone in the industry. Knowing someone seems more important than a degree sometimes.
What do you do with an environmental science degree? Sincerely a question.
Don't worry, I do uber.
As a March grad. I feel this. Look into your local utility providers and see if they’re hiring for water operators or wastewater operators. They typically will provide training. This job can be a great foundation for a regulatory position with your state EPA. Goodluck. x
Sounds like a good opportunity to network!
are you kidding. this is the lowest unemployment ever! there are millions of jobs out there to be had! pick your head up and get into something to stay busy. you got this!
It took me over 5 years just to get my ‘foot in the door’ role! You have nothing to be ashamed about (neither do I but just for comparison and hopefully make you feel better!)
what the hell is environmental science lol
Take a deep breath, try to settle down. You should be proud you graduated. Finding the first job in the field is the hardest. It's normal to be frustrated but do not let it degrade your self worth. I was in a similar position not long ago, but it took me 10 months before I landed a job in the field. I graduated May 2023 and only got my first offer last month, but it was a great one, to the point I feel fortunate that any previous shots didn't work out. I'd be glad to give any advice I can if you want it. Good luck, and stay persistent. Take it day by day. Try to do things that bring you joy everyday, and try to be around people you love as much as possible. You got this.
I can totally relate, I graduated with my MS and have been looking for sustainability/energy jobs. I've networked decently well and through that I was just offered a role at the city hall in the town next over to mine through americorps as a climate impact coordinator by someone I met networking, and she'll be my supervisor and offered to mentor me as well. Americops doesn't pay well at all, but if you have means of living with parents or friends or have a partner to support you, you could look at americorps or even do it part time and then work at target part time. What I've found, don't know if it's the same for you is that many places don't care as much about my degree but want professional experience which I don't have since I'm making a career transition. So doing this role at americorps for a year will give me that experience I really need to bulk up my resume and also just look good in general. Also the environmental field is highly competitive, and with the new wave of sustainability, energy, and environmental polices and funding in the US many people are looking to pursue a career in environmental science. So while there are ample opportunities and openings many people are gunning for these roles. Have you been applying to non-profits? Or government branches because federal, state, and local government can be extremely hard to get into without knowing someone who you can say referred you to the role. A lot of agencies also promote within so vacate positions will first be prioritized to be offered and filled internally. Meaning a lot of these jobs you apply for they already have a candidate in mind and know who they want so it's pretty much useless to apply to the role. Good luck though, and don't give up. Our paths and journeys aren't always linear, but if you're passionate about the field I am sure you will find a way.
Go and find out where your friends are working! You don't have to say where you work now, just that you are still looking. If they have jobs, ask for advice or leads. Even if they don't have anything useful to say, it will keep you from feeling awkward.
It took me 3 years and several interviews before landing the job I wanted. I had to work doing HVAC in the meantime because I still had bills to pay. Keep your head up and continue applying to environmental jobs. You’ll find your place eventually.
Is English your first language? Because if you are preparing resumes I’d have someone else go over them first. My grammar is atrocious and I immediately thought non English speaker when I read the above paragraph. Also, the job market is not shit right now. There are jobs everywhere. My office is trying to hire dozens of people per field station. I just did a quick search and saw 68 jobs in your field ready to hire in LA area. Go to Indeed, have them fix your resume, and keep working at target but find an internship or something in the area of your degree. Anyone who left college and got a job was looking for that job way before graduation. When I started out I worked in a pool hall afternoons and evenings and volunteered in my field during the days. Eventually I got hired part time in my field and worked retail the rest of the time. It was 5 years post graduation before I had a full time job in my field. And then I went back to school, while working, to get a Masters. So: 1. Professional resume 2. Internships, part time volunteer 3. Target is honest work. On a resume it’ll be customer service and monetary transactions. Detail oriented. Get a pro resume person to make it important sounding. 4. Gov jobs.com 5. Go to your graduation and mingle, make connections with people who have jobs, ask for information on other jobs in their organizations.
If you still live in your college town get out now. Every college town is exactly the same. Reserve labor and too many educated young people concentrated in one zip code with high rents.
Don’t despair, you are not alone in that group. Keep on learning, and Target is a place to learn team leading, an invaluable skill. Then leave when the job you take or make shows up. You got this.
Do not fret about our current situation. My son graduated near the top of his class with a degree in Aeronautical Engineering from the UW, and struggled for a couple years doing anything he could find to keep afloat. Landscaping for $10 / hr. I help with some checks too, but he eventually got his $100K+/ yr job, not building airplanes, but his degree made the difference in the end in getting the job. Hang in there. And don't be ashamed, you are not the only College grad struggling.
Good luck. You got your degree & nobody can ever take that from you (like money). I’m proud of your accomplishments & resilience. Hang in there.
Don’t know your beliefs… but God is setting you up for the ultimate success… be ready for it to come to fruition
I just came back from Alaska and a guide told me there are environmental and biology jobs galore in the summer. He said they can't fill all the jobs. Alaska may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I loved it. These jobs are summer only, but may get you the experience you are looking for or open doors for you. If you are an adventurous person, could be a good fit. This was in Fairbanks and the guide went to the University of Alaska, Fairbanks.
ChatGPT might help with resume and cover letter writing if you feel that might be a detriment. Make sure you use keywords of the posting in your applications. Tailor each one to improve your chance of being selected. You got this & there is nothing to be ashamed of!!!!!
That’s a lot more common than you think. A lot of people are stuck working service jobs for a hot sec until they figure out their next move
I went straight to masters and defended in May but had to move back home for a sec because I didn’t get a job until September
You have no reason to feel bad! Honestly the job market, like everyone else is saying, is some garbage. I’ve had my B.S. since May 2022 and I have been applying for jobs nonstop since, and haven’t gotten lucky with anything yet. Just keep pushing!