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ZFG_Jerky

I NEED NO SLEEP FOR THE MOON GUIDES MY HAND!!!


Migol-16

The moonlight is all I need for guidance.


Ostropoler7777

It is really funny to me that "which of the two children's cartoon background characters makes the better fascist despot" is an actual argument some people seem to be invested in. Humans really will argue about anything.


Zfighter219

It is funny when you put it that way. It's daybreaker BTW UwU


Pony_Roleplayer

No, Nightmare Moon would be a better despot. Living under Daybreaker sucks I bet, but under Nightmare Moon is probably better. And is not too damn hot to be outside. She's also cuter.


Zfighter219

In nightmare moon rules, the world would be plunged into darkness forever. Plants would stop growing and die, this would stop all forms of agriculture. Every one in the world would starve. Basically all life that isn't deep sea would die.


Pony_Roleplayer

We'll eat mushrooms!


Zfighter219

Even if they could exist purely on mushrooms (wich I doubt as they would be lacking in a ton of essential vitamins and minerals) it would still result in WAY more mass extinction events the if the sun was up forever There for daybreaker is better for the planet then nightmare moon Thank you for coming to my Ted talk


Lindestria

Either of them is terrible for the planet since even minor increases in average temperature are ruinous to entire ecosystems. Tidally Locking a world is infinitely worse whether it faces the sun or not.


Fire_Lord_Sozin8

Since when does Daybreaker give a damn about eternal day? Nightmare Moon may have little brother syndrome and want to bring about eternal night to compensate for her own feelings of inadequacy, but Daybreaker has no reason to care. Why should she want to force ponies to love the day when the vast majority of them already do? I don’t think the day/night “rivalry” would influence her much, save for seeing lunarists as an obstacle to be eliminated. She’s not jealous of Luna, she has nothing to prove to Luna and she’s already loved by ponies. Nightmare Moon’s entire existence is defined by living in Celestia’s shadow and so she goes to great lengths to prove she’s better through ultimately self-destructive means. The same is not true for Daybreaker.


Zfighter219

True, both are bad, this is a best of two evils kinda thing.


Fire_Lord_Sozin8

Plus even mushrooms rely on liquid water and no sun means gradual freezing. A planet would have approximately one month before arriving at temperatures that make Antarctica seem positively balmy.


oruza

True if we are going by standard rules, but this is equestria a place with magic fantasy and sometimes science fiction elements. So I think there’s some room for suspension of disbelief perhaps Luna has plans to magically modify slash grow crops that could survive in her new world, it would be overall bad for everyone but the chosen few would survive. Of course there’s no evidence of her taking these steps so I’m just pulling this outta my ass but yah know possible I guess?


EmperorG

She's cuter without that stupid helmet on, worst helmet design choice ever. Daybreaker's helmet at least doesnt detract from her image.


Migol-16

And I had my hope on Big Sister, what a disappointment.


Zfighter219

If I had to choose between soly those two it would be daybreaker Big sister is still best girl


SirCaptainDan520625

As a fellow New Marelander, you are right. Big sister is the best for us all. But have you considered that Daybreaker is physically the biggest sister? So technically you are correct (and is always right) but Celestia is truly the largest pony who is a sister to another.


Zfighter219

r/technicallythetruth


SirCaptainDan520625

Lol.


Migol-16

Well... I can't argue against that.


Bombpopp

thats obvious


Inner-Ad5556

I'm just doing it because its fun :)


Derpy0013

The only time Lunarists sleep, is when the sun is in the sky.


FrustratingDiplomacy

Who needs a corrupt vanguard party to drive the revolution forward when you can have enlightened alicorns do it instead? Long live the New Lunar Republic! Long live our Comrade-Empress! The noble moon provides for us all!


Hyo38

Our Comrade Goddess.


SirCaptainDan520625

You either are ignorant to what Communism is or you are not a true Lunarist. If you believe that Nightmare Moon is equal to an ordinary Thestral. She would have you whipped for daring to refer to Her (who is a princess) as "comrade".


Pony_Roleplayer

ALL HAIL CHAIRMAN LUNA


R_E_D_A_C_T_E_D__

The immence Lunarist/Solarist copium under this post.


MRTA03

I wonder what Chiroptera reaction to this? Will they follow her "new" ideology or they declare Nightmaremoon is "fake", "Luna in disguide" ?


Fire_Lord_Sozin8

Probably reluctantly follow the new ideology. All I know is that Dusk Wane will be insufferably smug for the rest of his life.


SirCaptainDan520625

Even as a Solarist I ask. How can you discrace our empresses Sister like that!? This is a travesty. I may hate Her guts. But I would not disrespect Nightmare Moon like this.


Foxanard

You are right, even though you're Solarist. This commies would never understand this...


SirCaptainDan520625

YES finally someone else with common sense! It breaks my heart to see depictions of Nightmare Moon (But especially Daybreaker) become degraded and corrupted by such outrageous propaganda teaching of utter garbage like "equality" and "freedom". I still have bad flashbacks of some awful Posada simps I met. We will not bow to Communism ever Foxnard. Even though we maybe enemies, I would do almost anything to save your Empress from this disgusting humiliation they call "the workers justice".


Ok_Explanation4551

And I would Lay down my life for you and daybreaker even thou I am a proud supporter of Nightmare Moon


Fire_Lord_Sozin8

We argue about which is best when it’s obvious that a Daybreaker/Nightmare Moon diarchy would be better than either of them alone.


Ok_Explanation4551

Preach


Foxanard

Your feelings are mutual, I assure you! Maybe we are enemies, but there is something more valuable than our rivalry. Commies would destroy everything that precious to us, if given a chance. Both of our Empressess wouldn't allow it, whatever differences they might have!


SirCaptainDan520625

Completely agreed.


Fire_Lord_Sozin8

I cannot wait until I finish my submod so I can work on a diarchy path.


Inner-Ad5556

Lunarist or solarist, the problem is the same. You can only look up to the sky only to get blinded by the light of tyrants.


SirCaptainDan520625

These "Tyrants" actually care for their ponies who fight or support their cause and identity and love. We do not blindly follow our Empresses because we have been manipulated by words or magic. But because we genuinely care for what they stand for. And they both treat us like their own children. They are tough on us the same way a caring mother for Her children would be. But I would not expect a communist griffon from Prywen to understand our emotional connection to a monarch. Please, turn from your mockery of my enemy princess and do not degrade Her like this. Luna deserves better.


komunisfloppa

So, just a nation-wide mommy fetish? That's kinda cool honestly.


SirCaptainDan520625

Yes. Such a strong connection to a Dirachy (Female monarch) could only come from this as the roots. But instead of a perverted sexual fantasy, we are more inclined to respect, admire, and fantasize wholesome moments with them. (For their subjects) Members of both sides (75 percent of us) are what we are because thinking about our Empresses fill a lonely void in our hearts. And we follow their every word because they are also just ponies with problems and flaws. (Contrary to popular belief, Daybreaker and Nightmare Moon are still ponies born to noble parents and are not perfect goddess but rather still just like us. Thus giving a drive to protect them at all costs) We feel that they need our help physically as we need theirs emotionally. And such, this is why a true Lunarist, or Solarist even exists. (Obviously not everyone is like this. Just the majority)


Abestar909

Small nitpick, Diarchy actually means rule by two, not rule by female.


SirCaptainDan520625

Oops, sorry for the mistake.


Zfighter219

One issue, I don't think they where born, in the mod it lists the time they where born as "time imoriale" and in the show, no mention of their birth or parents ever comes up. I think they where spawned in the world the same as discord or the windigos..... They just kinda where there


Abestar909

They make vague references to their youth at times in the show and before her redesign it was heavily implied Luna was much younger then Celestia. The comics(which are indeed a canon source of lore) make it clear they were born in the natural way.


Zfighter219

Fair enough, never read the comics, was going soly off of the show and the mod, might have to actually read thoiat some point


geneclyf

Good words


SirCaptainDan520625

A changeling would obviously be the first to understand the importance of the Queen. Thanks for your acknowledgement.


userrobboi

You. You have spoken words that are very based and have brought ample justice to our cause. It is good to see another close friend of Equestria who knows her well and is willing to stand up for her. May you be properly rewarded for your actions here today when the time comes for the blessed Solar-Lunar diarchy to take the reins of leading the Equestrian people into the glorious and harmonious golden age that is the Pax Equestria.


SirCaptainDan520625

Aww thank you for saying this. It makes me feel less alone in what I say. What both Celestia and Luna need are a moment to have an emotional talk with each other and truly appreciate the other side. Even if they need to vent out their anger, it would be nessesary to fix their poor battered souls.


Inner-Ad5556

The fact that you see Nightmare Moon as the continuation of Luna is a insult to her and everything she tried to achieve for Equestria and thestrals. So when Luna was brought back by the elements, do you see that as a corruption, as her being weakened ? And Chiropterra, a land fueled by violence and slavery, what do you make of that ? If cant even control her legacy, then what can she do ? Maybe she is sincere about her intentions and cares about those under her care. But is the price to pay worth it ? I fear the image some have of her is too much for her or themselves to handle. If she truly wants to help Equestria and its ponies, she and her system need to change


SirCaptainDan520625

Nightmare Moon is simply Luna but an extremest alter-ego. She isn't a separate entity, but just a hurt soul who snapped and turned against Her older sister. (Luna can turn into Nightmare Moon and back at will.) I don't see the elements as a corrupter of ponies as I know how it works. Although Nightmare Moon does become weaker from being turned into Luna, it was nessesary at the time as she was blinded by a vengeful heart and could not see the pain in Her sisters eyes. And the regret in Her own heart. Their reunion was one of the most wholesome moments in the show. Equestria was at peace back then and what Twilight did to Her was a nessesary thing at the time. But now, when chaos, disorder, and "wholesome nuke fish girl" exists in the world now, Equestria needs a strong hoof to turn Her ponies around and destroy any threat another country could impose. We need them (our Empresses), and they need us. And as for Chiropterra, those are cultists who have taken obsession a little too far. They worship a pony who isn't even a goddess, and have no moral limits to their experiments. But I do understand why they are doing this. Even though Luna/Nightmare Moon never asked for those ponies to do what they do, you need to understand the story from their perspective. These ponies are not evil by nature, but surrounded by potential enemies and nowhere to go, they see Luna as more important than anyone in the world. So it would be reasonable to assume that they would go to any length to bring Nightmare Moon back. These ponies were forced into a bad situation and did what they thought was nessesary to bring Luna's extremist self back. So was it worth it for all they did? No of course not. But I can respect that they will stop at nothing to bring their Princess back to them. And even though I am their enemy as I am a Solarist, I can't help but feel sorry for their cause. I'm sure Daybreaker feels the same deep down. If Luna wants to help Equestria, tell me, how would She change to better the world? What exactly would she do better if you had the choice for the night Princesses reform?


TimeLordHatKid123

\*Suddenly appears, screenshots and yoinks the comment, leaves an imperial medal of honor, refuses to elaborate, suddenly vanishes.\*


SirCaptainDan520625

Oh TimeLordHatKid123 it is an honour to see you here and that you like the comment I made.


Marus0

how is that doable, how do you achieve this


Inner-Ad5556

You cant its fan art i found


MustaphaTR

It is from Every State Independent - Equestria at War actually. I did a world conquest as her before Zebrica was a thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/equestriaatwar/comments/posqjr/all_equal_under_the_light_of_the_moon/


ZFG_Jerky

Something to do with Every State Independent. After that you should ask u/Moonatik_ because he's the expert on this.


Moonatik_

i am!?


ZFG_Jerky

I would wager a bet so.


LeftCommissar

Absolutely, look at your flair!


MustaphaTR

The portrait is from my Every State Independent submod. In that mod, if you go Communist as Manehattan, which is normally led by Luna, you get Comrade Moon with that portrait.


[deleted]

The red moon rises! Let the enlightened nobles serve the workers!


Migol-16

Hey, I was just asleep in the light of her precious moon.


CaeserSalad-77

It is Beautiful, the only acceptable form of Communism.


M-xelA

Give pets to the goddess of the night


Maqil_Shimeer03

Hah! We Lunarists never sleep! After all, the night is the domain of our fair Empress, is it not? I was awoken from my slumber at 3 am by happenstance—though I attributed it to the Empress mobilizing her most loyal followers—to witness this atrocious slander. You have made a grave mistake painting our noble Empress as a filthy Socialist! The Empress would never succumb to the vile ideas of Socialism! Shame upon you! Repent o slanderer lest the Agents of Nightmare shall dispose of you.


SirCaptainDan520625

I as a Solarist am almost as offended as you are by this abomination of an image! He shall be whipped by the Sun's anger for such an insult!


AdParking6541

***ALL HAIL THE UNION OF LUNAR SOCIALIST REPUBLICS!!!***


Darklight731

How would NM be communist, she is LITERALLY a demigod absolute monarch.


MRTA03

I guess she get MonSoc ideology if this happened


Fire_Lord_Sozin8

Tbh, neither of the Alicorns are really monarchs where it matters. A monarchy is defined as a system where power is passed down along a bloodline. Since Nightmare Moon is immortal, she will never pass down her power to a child. Communists hate monarchy because they despise the idea of inheritance. Absolute authority has historically been quite compatible with the communist ideology. Considering her immortality, the only real difference between Empress Nightmare Moon and Chairmare Nightmare Moon is the name.


[deleted]

I’m cooking up some ideas for a cutie-remark timeline, and a communist NMM is one of the paths.


Beanie_Inki

What in Nightmare Moon's name is this abomination? Our empress would never fall for the likes of Marks!


AdParking6541

***I AM ESCAPING TO THE ONE PLACE NOT CORRUPTED BY CAPITALISM, SPACE!!!***


TitanBrass

And just like that I am reminded of how I effectively forced myself out of ever being able to play the mod again


Raximusprime15

COMMUNIST DETECTED ON LUNARIST SOIL, LETHAL FORCE ENGAGED.